1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. All kind of stuff 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: I Never told you aflection of My Heart Radio and 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: in our continuing kind of look back on some technology things, 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring back this classic about YouTube because. 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of. 6 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Things have changed with YouTube, even though this episode isn't 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: that old since we talked about it, and also just 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: hearing about how some of the creator creators we've interviewed 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: are using it differently, I'm just really intrigued and I 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: want to do a more in depth dive into some 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: of the things that's going on with YouTube now, especially 12 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: like I feel like all of our technologies and flux. 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I just want to come back and talk about this. 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: But I have noticed some things personally. I know I've 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: talked about this before, but I've noticed. 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Some really. 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Really gendered ads that are shocking to me. So we'll 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: have to come back and revisit that. But in the meantime, 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, 20 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: and welcome to Stuff I Never told you production of iHeartRadio, 21 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: and today we are continuing our tech kick, which feels 22 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: like it's never ending. 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: To be honest, we keep adding things you're right. 24 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: We do, we do, but it's all fascinating stuff. And 25 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I will say this one, which is about YouTube, was 26 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: very difficult to research because Google owns YouTube. So when 27 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: you type in like a YouTube women, all it is 28 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: is like videos from YouTube with women in there, right right, 29 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: so stricky. 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. TikTok is similar to that. When 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: you try to find information on TikTok, it takes you 32 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: to TikTok and like things about that subject on TikTok. 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, o yah, we're speaking of we have a 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: TikTok now, yes we do, thanks to Joey who has 35 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: been on the show, who is amazing and patient. You 36 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: can go check us out there at stuff Mom never 37 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: told you? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so yeah we're 38 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: we're there as well. Do you use YouTube a lot, Samantha. 39 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: So this is the thing. I do use YouTube a lot, 40 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: but it's very specific things. I have used it to 41 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: listen to music, so way back when before licensing was 42 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: a thing and people were really like and YouTube got 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: really aware of that, I would listen to songs that 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't find. Now, of course Spotify has more songs, 45 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: but like some songs you couldn't find on Spotify. Beyonce 46 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: songs were not available there, so I would go to 47 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: YouTube and listen to it there at night. I like 48 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: their deep sleep sounds. 49 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: Ooh, I set. 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: That on a timer and they have a lot of 51 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: dark screens. So I use it like that. My partner 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: uses it NonStop. But that's that's it. Like I don't 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: do things outside of that, huh. 54 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: I use YouTube quite a bit. 55 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Actually, it's a thing that I have a love hate 56 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: relationship with and we're going to talk about that because 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I do feel like, as as a viewer who doesn't 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: pay for like the expensive buys and I don't know expensive, 59 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: but I don't pay for the service to not have ads, 60 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: I feel like they time the ads at the worst 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: specific place on purpose. And I've even looked up like 62 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: on Reddit, does YouTube do this purposefully? 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: There's no real answer yet. 64 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I know it's gotten longer. That used 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: to be able to skip Now you don't have that 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: option as much. I do want a correction because I 67 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: do watch Hot Ones oh yeah, uh huh, And that 68 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: is a series I've watched a lot on there because 69 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: that's where they originated. Yes, so I love that series 70 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: as well as Binging with Babbage. Those are the two 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: shows that. 72 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: I will watch. 73 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: Yes, those are those are pretty great ones. There's a 74 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: lot of great stuff on YouTube. 75 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: I watched. I watch a bunch of stuff. 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Actually, it's one of my biggest Like probably every morning 77 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: I watch a bunch of YouTube videos, which. 78 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: Is not the case for a lot of people. I've learned. 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: No, I don't do that. 80 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah that is that is like my go too, that's 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: my morning routine. 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 83 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Content warning before get into this one, general grossness. 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: The same thing in our past tech episodes. If you're 85 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: like a woman or marginalized person on the internet, you 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. A brief discussion of very 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: disturbing content pedophilia, sexual assault. We're not gonna get too 88 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: much into detail, but just so you know. You can 89 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: see our past episodes on Airbnb, Twitch, Evan Rachel Wood 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: and Tech Accountability, YouTube beauty groups, single use, hate accounts, 91 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: and Megan Markle the Amber her trial is involved in 92 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: this where Jamantha knows I have a very hilarious, spicy 93 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: outline coming up about DC phantom. 94 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: Oh that's fun. 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, it's gonna be great. 96 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: Also, we typically try to focus on intersectional feminist issues 97 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: in our episodes for what I hope for obvious reasons, 98 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: and I think pretty much everything could be that. But 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: YouTube has a lot of issues, so we're going to 100 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: discuss some of them. But just so you know, there's 101 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot going on here that we could get into. 102 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: We didn't have time for this, but there's a lot. 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: It was one of those ones where I think I 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'll get this done in two days, 105 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: and I start opening tabs, I'm like, oh, no, oh, 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: been there. And I did want to start with a 107 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: pretty brief explanation of my YouTube experience because a good 108 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: chunk of my job at in my current it's so 109 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: confusing because we've been acquired by so many companies, but 110 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I've essentially been working with the same group of people 111 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: for a while. Was YouTube based and I ran the 112 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: stuff one never told you YouTube, and so I'm going 113 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: to be inserting a lot of personal experience in this one. 114 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Off the top, I will say that my bosses, some 115 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: of my bosses, treated this much more seriously than I 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: thought it had any warrant to be treated. Kristin, who 117 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: was in the videos and I was filming them and 118 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: editing them, well, she filmed a lot of them. I 119 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: was editing them primarily. She was told to like wear 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: makeup and get her hair done, all of this kind 121 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: of stuff. We were instructed on, like the best thumbnails 122 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: to use, which were generally like quote pretty looking thumbnails 123 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: or something so people would click on them. We did 124 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: run into a couple of copyright issues, which I'll talk 125 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: about more later. As you know, probably a lot of 126 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: people know by now because it's become sort of a 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: conversation topic. There's a lot of videos you watch that 128 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: look like it's just vlogging where they edited and do 129 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: it themselves. 130 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: Are not. 131 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 1: There's like a huge team behind it, and they don't. 132 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: The team doesn't get credited. I was never credited on anything, 133 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't think. And that's just like how it is. 134 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: I had to go through YouTube training every year and 135 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: it is the most boring thing you can imagine. Oh 136 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: and you can't skip it. Oh my gosh. But I 137 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: did get an award. I wont a YouTube award. I 138 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: still have it. It's pretty cool. I mean it looks 139 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: pretty cool. On the not so fun side, I did 140 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: experience a lot of harassment. One of my very favorite 141 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: comments as I've said before I've ever gotten was I 142 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: know the producer and she's a slut. 143 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: Cool? Wow? 144 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever. And also I did get doxed. 145 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: I got doxed based on YouTube video that we posted 146 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: that wasn't that inflammatory. And then accessibility was a thing 147 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: I was really passionate about when I was doing those videos. 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: So I would you would listen to the video and 149 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: type out the closed captions, and that was something I 150 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of did and didn't get compensated for, but it 151 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: was really important for me to do it. But that 152 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: is a big issue with you two, and that's a 153 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: big issue with the show, and we've tried to get 154 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: transcripts with middling success because for a while we had them. 155 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: Before you and I were hosts, there were transcripts, and 156 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: now they are not, so that's an issue as well. 157 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's kind of my brief encapsulation of my time. 158 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, I have a bunch of I have 159 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of comments throughout this one. But okay, let's 160 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: start with a very quick rundown of the history of YouTube, 161 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: which I found kind of surprising. So YouTube, which is 162 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: an online video sharing platform that allows for commenting, liking, 163 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: and disliking, sharing, making playlists, all kinds of things. I 164 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: feel like you know what YouTube is was founded by 165 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jahwid Katam in early two 166 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: thousand and five. A little over a year later, Google 167 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: purchased YouTube for a staggering one point sixty five billion dollars, 168 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: and it started. 169 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: As a dating website. 170 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, the idea was users would upload videos of 171 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: themselves talking about their dream partners. The slogan was tune 172 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: in hook Up, and I was struck once again about 173 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: how humans and especially dudes, desire for sex really run 174 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: so much stuff. 175 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: It's wild. 176 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: The dating aspect failed even after they offered women twenty 177 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: dollars to upload videos, but the video uploading system was excellent, 178 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: so they decided to open it up to any video. 179 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: And they decided this in part because after the two 180 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: thousand and four Janet Jackson justin Timberlake Super Bowl incident, 181 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't find video of it anywhere, so they thought, hey, 182 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: we could be the place people put videos like that 183 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: and you can watch them. Karim at the Zoo, a 184 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: short video of one of the creators at the Zoo, 185 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: was YouTube's first official video. 186 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 187 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Several studies have found that the reasons people use YouTube 188 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: are quote, information seeking, sharing, information, status seeking like that 189 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: whole first thing, social interaction, and entertainment. 190 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: Just by the way, So yeah, YouTube is huge. Behind Google, 191 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: It is the second most popular website in the world. 192 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: As early as two thousand and six, the site was 193 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: getting about twenty million monthly visitors one billion hours of 194 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: daily consumed content. As of twenty twenty three, about fifty 195 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: six percent mail to forty four percent female. That same year, 196 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: the first targeted ad campaigns launched by major companies took off, 197 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: and Time featured YouTube as Person of the Year, and 198 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, YouTube made twice the amount of revenue 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: than any major television network. Numbers from twenty nineteen found 200 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: that five hundred hours of content was uploaded each minute, 201 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: and the company makes an estimated fifteen billion in revenue annually, 202 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: although a lot of that is to go back to 203 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: the creators. Twenty seven percent of Americans rely on it 204 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: as a news source. 205 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and honestly, there are so many numbers we could 206 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: throw at you, so many awards we could throw at you, 207 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: and moments in history about YouTube, like did you know 208 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Rickrollings started in two thousand and eight. Gongham Style was 209 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: the first video to pass a billion views in twenty twelve. 210 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: But the basic takeaway here is it's a big deal 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: and it makes a lot of money. It has also 212 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: been the source of a lot of conversation and controversy 213 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: since its founding. One of the big things that has 214 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: hounded YouTube is copyright issues. How they handle copyright, what 215 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: you can upload, what will get you in trouble, will get. 216 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: Your videos taken down. 217 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: When I was working there, it was a three strength system, 218 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: but it was very wild West and what you could 219 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: get away with and what random thing would get you 220 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: in trouble. Some times you would get mistakenly flagged or 221 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: a video would be taken down without warning or any 222 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: clear reason, which may or may not have had to 223 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: do with their massive copyright library. 224 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: So basically they have like this huge. 225 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: Library that just like searches for oh, you're playing this 226 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: copyrighted item, take it down. But it does make mistake. 227 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: In my experience, it made some mistakes, so probably it's improved. 228 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I should say. It's been about a good yeah, about 229 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: like seven years since I've been doing this job, so 230 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: I bet a lot of things have changed. 231 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: Since I've been doing it. 232 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Another big problem YouTube has has to do with their 233 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: recommended videos function, because there have been reports about it 234 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: pushing things like conspiracy theories or lies, promoting violent or 235 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: sexual content to children, pedophilic content, and things like we 236 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: discussed in Bridget's episode about Evan rachel Wood that YouTube 237 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: is making money off of a video she alleges depicts 238 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: her sexual assault and they won't take it down even 239 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: though she said, like hey. In twenty nineteen, YouTube announced 240 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: they would recommend fewer videos that quote could misinform users 241 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,359 Speaker 1: in harmful ways. This came after rising concerns that platforms 242 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: like YouTube relating to offline violence, death, and radicalization. This 243 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: of course led to heated discussion around free speech and 244 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: confirmation in some conspiracy theorist minds that they were being censored, 245 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: like see here's the proof. 246 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Right right. 247 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: So this was after a Google engineer posted a ten 248 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: page manifesto in twenty seventeen criticizing the company's diversity initiatives, 249 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: claiming it discriminated against white men. That led to the 250 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: YouTube CEO's daughter asking mom, is it true that there 251 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: are biological reasons why there are fewer women in tech 252 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: and leaderships, but many pointed out that the engineer may 253 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: have been in part radicalized by YouTube and its algorithm. 254 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: He was fired and became an al right hero. 255 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: As far as the disturbing content served to children goes, 256 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: these videos often feature beloved children's cartoon characters in violent 257 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: and or sexual situations. One such video featured a woman 258 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: with a mini mouse head getting stuck in an escalator 259 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: and bleeding profusely. It got millions of views in one 260 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: day and could be viewed in the kid friendly mode. 261 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Other videos depict Pepa pig tricked into eating bacon, the 262 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: suicide attempt of a Paw Patrol character. A lot of 263 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: these videos are discovered through AutoPlay or the recommended video sidebar, 264 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: so after you've watched legitimate content, you find these videos. 265 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Some tests found that a toddler went from viewing one 266 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: of his favorite legitimate videos to a video depicting stomach parasites, 267 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: eye gouging, and kids setting each other on fire and 268 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: only a few clicks, and that video had twenty million views. 269 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem is that these videos 270 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: get pushed because they have so many views, and that's 271 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: how YouTube's algorithm works. In part YouTube host millions of 272 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: hours of children's entertainment, and much of this content makes. 273 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: A lot of money. 274 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: YouTube claims is difficult to change their algorithm and largely 275 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: remove these videos on a case by case basis, which 276 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: isn't going to fix the problem. It also puts more 277 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: pressure on the guardian to view the media with the 278 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: child when it comes to when you know, that's something 279 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: you often do to keep a child busy while you 280 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: do something else. On top of that, it's kind of 281 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: complicated reporting a video in kids YouTube, and there's no 282 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: way to make sure it doesn't show up again. You 283 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: can delete it from your history, you can do all 284 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: kinds of things that still might show up again. YouTube 285 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: has been releasing improved reporting tools and methods for video 286 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: blocking in an attempt to improve the situation. There are 287 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: plenty of articles out there about what steps you can 288 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: take on your own if this is something you're worried about, 289 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: but again, that's sort of putting the impetus on you 290 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: to do that. In twenty nineteen, several articles reported on 291 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: pedophilic content running alongside ads for major companies, and the 292 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: videos showed children in their underwear and or their genitals 293 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: with what appeared to be pedophiles, timestamping content in the comments, 294 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: basically so other users could click the timestamp to go 295 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: to the part in the video where nipples were exposed 296 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: or something like that, and then recommending other similar videos, 297 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: sometimes exchanging numbers to exchange more videos with each other. 298 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: These videos have thousands, if not millions, of views, hundreds 299 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: of comments, and yes, they are being monetized. You probably 300 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: heard about this because the advertisers were not happy to 301 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: learn their ads are running on this content. But to 302 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: be clear, a lot of these videos, though not all 303 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: of them, are pretty innocent, like girls playing Twister and confused. 304 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: Girls who uploaded the video will respond to comments like 305 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: how old are you you'll answer or ask a comment? 306 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: Or what grow means. Many of the comments are about 307 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: the child in questions beauty, or claim that they're in 308 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: love with them, and sometimes they request specific lighting or outfits. 309 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: For a while, searching twister girl on YouTube auto corrected 310 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: to little Girl, Twister and skirt. 311 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the recommendation system was part of the issue too, 312 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: serving up other videos seemingly enjoyed by pedophiles. On top 313 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: of that, while some channels have been taken down over 314 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: child abuse. There are plenty as of writing this still 315 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: up dedicated to quote preteen models, girls bathing or doing 316 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: stretches or yoga swimming, things like that. YouTube enacted a 317 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: policy disabling comments on videos or the comments in question 318 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: or overwhelmingly inappropriate, but even so, the algorithm still would 319 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: serve up these videos alongside others teeming with pedophilic comments. 320 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: A lot of the comments aren't in English as a 321 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: way to get around the disabling, but several of them are. 322 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. 323 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: Another issue advertising because YouTube has a changing and not 324 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: very transparent policy on what type of content and videos 325 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: can be monetized on their platform, which is primarily how 326 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: creators make money. 327 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. YouTube claims it's ninety nine percent effective at not 328 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: running an ad over inappropriate content, but advertisers have pulled 329 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: their ads after they ran against videos containing things like 330 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: rape apologist and does Semitism and terrorism. In twenty seventeen, 331 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: many big advertisers told YouTube they would end their relationship 332 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: if the platform didn't fix the issue. The solution decided 333 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 3: upon was that YouTube would work more directly with advertisers 334 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: to make sure their ads were only placed on the 335 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 3: desired content. 336 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and a quick aside here, my experience was you 337 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: had very little control over the ads on your videos. 338 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: As a creator. 339 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: You could flag topics you didn't want running, like cigarettes, 340 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: but what was served on your video could be fairly 341 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: random to downright offensive given the content. And this is 342 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: an issue we encounter pretty frequently as a Famis podcast 343 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,719 Speaker 1: and what advertisers think of when it comes to women. 344 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: But basically it was pretty random with a very difficult 345 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: reporting system, especially if you didn't have a specific deal 346 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: with a sponsor. On top of that, this was how 347 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: you made money from a random pool of as again, 348 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: if you didn't have a specific sponsor, and plenty of 349 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: advertisers didn't want to run ads on feminist videos talking 350 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: about abortion or honestly feminist videos in general. Anyway, YouTube 351 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: announces it's going to work more closely with advertisers to 352 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: prevent something like these things we've been talking about happening again. 353 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: One of their largest creators, PewDiePie, who had had preferred 354 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: advertising status, lost it after he posted a video with 355 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: anti Semitic language and imagery in it, and basically preferred 356 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: advertising is like, oh you want that's like top tier 357 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: you want to advertise with this? 358 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: This creator on the flip side. 359 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: Creators were worried about how this policy and demonetization would 360 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: impact their own revenue. Advertisers could opt out of specific videos, 361 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: meaning if a channel about news wanted to talk about 362 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: a tragedy, ads could opt out, which is a financial 363 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: incentive not to talk about darker things that we need 364 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: to talk about. I do understand that it's strange, like 365 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: the whole Applebee's Ukraine invasion thing where they were running 366 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: CNN had this disturbing imagery and then there was this 367 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 1: very in your face Outbe's commercial. It is weird, and 368 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: we've had these discussions ourselves about our darker episodes where 369 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: we don't want specific ads playing in episodes about sexual assault, 370 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: for instance, But at the same time, we have to 371 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: make money, so it's just like a it's a strange situation. 372 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Creator Philip DeFranco reported an eighty percent drop in revenue 373 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: after the policy was enacted and argued that new creators 374 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: would feel the worst of it. To address the issue, 375 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: YouTube attempted to make it more transparent to creators what 376 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: videos were being monetized and which ones weren't. There is 377 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: a process for requesting a review about why a video 378 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: isn't being monetized, but it's tedious and not without human 379 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: bias because it requires a human to watch the video 380 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: and then kind of decide like I don't know. On 381 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: top of that, these reviews were prioritized for bigger creators. 382 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: YouTube did update the algorithm later and the update decreased 383 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: demonetization by thirty percent. And this is something I remember 384 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: working with YouTube is every time a major company, not 385 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: just YouTube, would change their algorithm or policy, we would 386 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: have to have very serious meeting about it. Like we 387 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: would sit down and be like, what does this mean? 388 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: What do we have to do with our keywords? Like 389 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: what all of these things? And also, yeah, we just 390 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of experienced a meeting like this because Sminty may 391 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: or may not be uploading episodes to YouTube soon of 392 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: like our whole our whole episodes, and yeah, we had 393 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: to talk about it. 394 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: We had to have a whole breakdown of what we're 395 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 3: afraid of and what we want to avoid, including about 396 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: having control about ads because we tried really hard to 397 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: monitor that whether we want to or not, because there's 398 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: some things that we really miss out on, like ah dang, 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: who loved that sponsorship? 400 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: You know what? 401 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: I mean, but we want to be very aware and 402 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 3: it's hard to do that on something like YouTube when 403 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: it's so it has its own thing. God, each social 404 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: media platform it's so hard to learn because that's all 405 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: so different. 406 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I mean it's so different, but a 407 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of the same issues. 408 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: Right, the same issues, but like different standards. It's so weird. Okay, 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: But then the reports about pedophilic content broke and the 410 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: company was once again in crisis mode to keep advertisers 411 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: from bailing. Then logan Paul Yes, one of the most 412 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: popular vloggers, posted a video of a man who killed 413 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: himself and he was stripped of his preferred advertising status, 414 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: And in the wake of this, the platform announced new 415 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 3: policies detailing which creators were even eligible to make money. 416 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: And by the way, he's still one of their top 417 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: money makers and just had a whole controversy happen because 418 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: a pick that he had for clout has been shown 419 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: as being severely abused. Anyway, creators now had to have 420 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: over four thousand hours of watch time over the course 421 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: of a year and one thousand subscribers to receive ads. 422 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 3: Small creators were understandably hurt and outraged and there was 423 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 3: a whole host of emotional videos posted about the decision. 424 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: A YouTube official set of the policy quote changes will 425 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: affect a significant number of channels. Ninety nine percent of 426 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: those affected were making less than one hundred dollars per 427 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: year in the last year, with ninety percent earning less 428 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: than two dollars and fifty cents in the last month. 429 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: Creators call the day the policy went into effect the 430 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: demonetization day. Yeah, that makes sense. Smaller accounts waited up 431 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 3: to have a year to have their accounts reviewed to 432 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: see if they could get ads. Multichannel networks dropped huge 433 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: amounts of small creators. Numerous creators quit. A lot of 434 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: the smaller or demonetized content is or was created by 435 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: marginalized folks or around less commercial topics, and many argue 436 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: that YouTube is losing what made it YouTube? 437 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like it's different now, but when it started, 438 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: it was like when I was reading the history of YouTube, 439 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: they had the first time a trailer from a company 440 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: appeared on YouTube, Like, it didn't. 441 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: Used to be what it is now. 442 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: It used to be like a much more kind of 443 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: hodgepodge random assortment of videos from various creators, and now 444 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's got a lot of like movie 445 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: trailers or clips from these big companies, music videos, things 446 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: like that, which I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with, 447 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: but if you're losing all of these small creators, then 448 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: it's just like the scale is tipping in one way. 449 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: And just for the record, Sminty had hundreds of thousands 450 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: of subscribers, tens of thousands, if not millions of views 451 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: on every video, and we made less than one hundred 452 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: dollars a year. 453 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: Right, I think you still have that. We think we 454 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: still have like two hundred and fifty around almost subscribers, 455 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: which is hilarious because there's not been a video we've 456 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: posted since I think brit and Emily introduced themselves as 457 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: a new host. I think that's the last video. 458 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 459 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a whole process finding out who owns 460 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: that channel. 461 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: Now, now that's a whole different story. 462 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: It is, it is, But I just wanted to put 463 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: that in there because like, we had the backing of 464 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: a pretty big company. 465 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: There's a whole team dedicated. 466 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: To this pretty much, and we got a lot of 467 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: views and we didn't make that much money. So but yeah, okay, 468 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: so a lot of the things we've been talking about 469 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: do impact women, but let's talk about women and YouTube specifically. 470 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: There are conflicting numbers when it comes to gender differences 471 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: in viewership on YouTube. One source reports sixty two percent 472 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: of users are male and seventy eight percent of men 473 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: use it in the US, compared to thirty eight percent 474 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: and sixty eight percent for women. Google's own numbers claim 475 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: that it's more like fifty to fifty, or at least 476 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: closer to that. Younger people are more likely to use YouTube, 477 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: and location urban versus rural, is a big factor as well. 478 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, YouTube CEO Susan Wojitski said or one 479 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: of the reasons for tech's lack of women is because 480 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: of its reputation as being quote a geeky male industry 481 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: which did not go overwhelmed no fighting words. 482 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 483 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: One of the ways these moves around advertising has been 484 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: theorized to impact women is around beauty. Both the pressure 485 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: of the creator to put on makeup, wear nice perhaps 486 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: revealing clothes, which are things that are time consuming and 487 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: often expensive, but also to make videos about beauty, like 488 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: makeup tutorials, because they know that those can be monetized, 489 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: they might be pressured to use a sexualized thumbnail like 490 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: who we Were. There's nothing inherently wrong with these videos, 491 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: these makeup tutorials. I know people who love them, but 492 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: if women are being pressured into doing them for financial 493 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: reasons and being pressured to look a certain way, that's 494 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: an issue. We've discussed before how the beauty industry has 495 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: pushed standards to sell products, telling women they have to 496 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: look a certain way, and that is partially at play here. Yeah, 497 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: because you know, makeup can be great. We just need 498 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: to be clear, We need a clear picture of what's 499 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: going on here because a lot of women reported feeling 500 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: like they had to do this because it was the 501 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: only way they could get ads. Many women creators report 502 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: criticism around their appearance, their weight, clothes, and makeup. Further, 503 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the top channels created by women have 504 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: to do with stereotypical, more feminine topics like cooking, and 505 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of research about this, and again it 506 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: seems to be that they feel there's nothing wrong with it, 507 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: but they feel like this is the only way they 508 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: can make money, which I think there is something wrong with. 509 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: That, right right, Although I mean we could come back 510 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: and have the conversation about how also, if you're a 511 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: woman creator, you can only be for women. Yes, so 512 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: that's I mean we run into that a lot. So yeah, 513 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: that's a whole different conversation. And by the way, women 514 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: are more likely to be subjected to trolling comments and harassment, 515 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: even stalking and threats, and it increases with every intersection race, 516 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, and having pain dismissed, not 517 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: looking sick enough, not looking pretty enough. Wait, there was 518 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: even a study specifically on YouTube comments that showed gender 519 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: differences in how we talk about intoxication. Women are often 520 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: sexualized in fell videos. Women creators have reported fear after 521 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: accounts have posted hate videos about them and called for 522 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: their followers to attack them, and this travels onto other platforms. 523 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: By the way, I've seen this, it's really interesting. In 524 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, YouTube rolled out updated harassment policies, but creator 525 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 3: they haven't mitigated the issue. A twenty twenty two report 526 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: found that harassment against women is not only alive and 527 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: well on YouTube, it's flourishing. Women creators who have gone 528 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: viral have described the deluge of harassments they encounter. Some 529 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: even cited the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial as emboldening 530 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: misogynistic creators and allowing them to amass huge numbers of followers, 531 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 3: and that it helped normalize a toxic level of hate 532 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: towards women. And I don't think we talk about this yet, 533 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: but the including a Megan Thee stallion that also brought 534 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: a whole amount of misogynistic trolls that got some notoriety, 535 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: and similarly YouTube started de ranking Megan Markele hate channels 536 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: people like Men's Right activist Andrew Tait have amssed millions 537 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: in revenue, though he was recently banned, but by the way, 538 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: he's been making a lot of money on the backs 539 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: of harassing women. Just that and just recently got banned 540 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: women creators that because YouTube is monetizing these accounts and 541 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: not disciplining their top male creators who post misogynistic content, 542 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: it empowers commenters to harass women. So many women have 543 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 3: left because of this. The report concluded misogyny is alive 544 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: and well on YouTube. Videos pushing misinformation, hate and outright 545 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: conspiracies targeting women are often monetized. 546 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like within the year study of note 547 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: all the studies mentioned that there was a lack of 548 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: data and research around non binary folks, so that is 549 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: something that's missing. 550 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: And I want to include this. 551 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: These are actual guidelines from Google's anti harassment policy. 552 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: Quote. 553 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: Here are some examples of content that's not allowed on youtubo, 554 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: reportedly showing pictures of someone and then making statements like 555 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: look at this creature's teeth, They're so disgusting, with similar 556 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: commentary targeting intrinsic attributes throughout the video, targeting an individual 557 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,239 Speaker 1: based on their membership in a protected group, such as 558 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: by saying look at this filthy slur targeting and protected group, 559 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: I wish they'd just get hit by a truck. Targeting 560 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: an individual and making claims they are involved in human 561 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: trafficking in the context of a harmful conspiracy theory where 562 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: the conspiracy is linked to direct threats or violent acts, 563 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: using an extreme insult to dehumanize an individual based on 564 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: their intrinsic attributes. For example, look at this dog of 565 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: a woman. She's not even a human being, she must 566 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: be some sort of mutant or animal. Depicting an identifiable 567 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: individual being murdered, seriously injured, or engaged in a graphic 568 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: sexual act without their consent accounts dedicated entirely to focusing 569 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: on maliciously insulting and identifiable and but. 570 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: It has to be the entire account. 571 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 572 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: Well, and so I wanted to enclude this because it 573 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: feels like you're trying to teach a child how to 574 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: like behave right like that we have to say, like, hey, 575 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: don't gives an example, here's an example. 576 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 2: I was reading it like whoa, Okay, I mean there's. 577 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: A part of me that's like, has there ever been 578 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: anybody who read these? Just like, oh, I see, I'll 579 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: start doing that, right But anyway, Okay. When it comes 580 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: to money making, as of twenty twenty two, only one 581 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: creator on the top ten list of YouTube was not 582 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: a man, and that was seven year old Naustria. In 583 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, she made an estimated twenty eight million dollars. Uh, 584 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: and this is in keeping with the trends of recent 585 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: years for YouTube. One woman on the list, but in 586 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, no women at all made it. 587 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 3: Wait, she's a seven year old? Yeah, what is her content? 588 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 589 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: Uh, because it's definitely not other seven year olds watching it. Well, 590 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 3: maybe I don't. 591 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: Know, because there's also a ten year old boy on there. 592 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 2: I think I don't know that's concerning. 593 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've also probably heard of the credibility gap when 594 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: it comes to women and science or news content. Many 595 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: women creators who are scientists have posted the man's planning 596 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: comments they get I'm sure you've seen some of them 597 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: or heard some of them, or sexualization or outright harassment 598 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: that they receive viewership on STEM related video sues mail. 599 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: In some cases pretty drastically, This impacts interest in and 600 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: potential pursuit of STEM topics and careers, because several studies 601 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: have found that engaging in STEM content, especially at a 602 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: young age, can ultimately lead to a STEM career. Studies 603 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: have also found that, compared to an equally scientifically curious man, 604 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: women are twenty six percent less likely to watch a 605 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: science video on YouTube. Science creator Emily Grassley famously published 606 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: a YouTube video in twenty thirteen called where My Lady's 607 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: At Where she just read some of the comments her 608 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: videos receive. And if you've never watched her videos, they're 609 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: pretty sweet. They're kind of like she works in a 610 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: museum and she talks about things in the museum, and 611 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: it was just all of this, like very sexualized hateful 612 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: comments she receives all these videos. 613 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. 614 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking about one of the YouTube channels 615 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 3: that my partner really wants, like like gets me to 616 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: watch Simone Geerts. Someone's gonna correct me and tell me 617 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: I'm completely wrong, because she's really, really famous and her 618 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 3: whole thing is trying to create unusual hacks in her 619 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: house through whatever tools she's gotten. She's gotten huge, so 620 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: she's gotten really cool tools, and I think one she 621 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 3: did was a chair for her dog to sit next 622 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 3: to her at the like as a desk chair, so 623 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: something big, and then creating something with tampons I forgot already. 624 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: But like, she has a lot, and she is technically 625 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 3: a tech slash stem creator and has millions of viewers, 626 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 3: so I would be interested to see what her comments 627 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: look like with her popularity. 628 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 629 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that really disheartened me 630 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: in this research was that back in the early days 631 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: when christ and I were doing YouTube, we worked with 632 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of big women on YouTube because it's like 633 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: how you kind of cross promoted and got more viewers, 634 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of the women we worked with who 635 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: had like millions of views and followers left YouTube like 636 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: they would show up and a lot of the articles 637 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: I was reading more like here's why I left, and 638 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: they're like big creators and so it just only imagining 639 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: like the smaller creators. And also didn't you you showed 640 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: me that video girlfriend reviews. Yes, and now they had 641 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: to like respond to a lot of hate. 642 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah last years too. Hey, yeah, yeah, they had to 643 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 3: respond to a lot a lot of hate in general. 644 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: But a family. They're doing huge stuff in Twitch. But 645 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: the whole premises is pretty much the girlfriend is watching 646 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 3: her boyfriend play these games and doesn't commentary, and they 647 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: grew up to a huge success and is I think 648 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 3: living off of the content as content creators because they 649 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: have made sponsor deals. But yeah, they had to go 650 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 3: through some things where several video games, including the Last 651 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: of Us too, because they loved it much like you, 652 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: we always have to bring it back to Last of 653 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 3: Us or startar Wars're somewhere in here. 654 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 655 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 3: So part of the issue is a production budget staff. Statistically, 656 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 3: mail run shows are able to secure more funds and staff. 657 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: Another is that women who are scientists often have families 658 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 3: and have more of the share and taking care of children, 659 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 3: which means yes, less time for actually making content and videos. 660 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is something we heard during the pandemic with 661 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: why they were less scientific papers turned in by women. 662 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 1: And also, have you ever heard the saying never read 663 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: the comments said, tell me. 664 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: That I said it to you a million. 665 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: Well researcher Enoka Amara Sakara, and I apologize if I 666 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: butchered your name. I could not find a pronunciation anywhere. 667 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: But they did read the comments, and they came out 668 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: the other side with a published paper about sexism and YouTube. 669 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: They looked at over twenty three thousand YouTube comments specifically 670 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: comparing the treatment of men and women when it came 671 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: to science content, and no surprise, the women were treated 672 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: more harshly fourteen percent negative comments versus six percent for men. 673 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: I've said it a million times on the show, but 674 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: we once did this experiment at work where we had 675 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: a male host and a female host do the exact 676 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: same video and we compared the comments and it was 677 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: very clear it was very stark, which one they believed 678 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: was smarter, and all of the physical comments that the 679 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: woman got, and yeah, the women in the study got 680 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: a lot more sexually charged comments or comments about their 681 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: appearance in general, and the way YouTube comments work is 682 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: the most controversial ones rise to the top. And in fact, 683 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: I never personally would do this, but Kristen would sometimes 684 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: be like, let's do something really controversial because it'll generate. 685 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: It'll make you go to the top faster and make 686 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: you get more comments. And that's just how YouTube's algorithm works, which, 687 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: as I believe, one big YouTuber was like, this does 688 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: not facilitate healthy, helpful conversation, right. 689 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 3: I feel like that's for everything, including news, like getting 690 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: the worst and most controversy stuff out there first because 691 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 3: that's going to get the tension, which sucks. Yes. So 692 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 3: YouTube is trying to combat this, to varying degrees of success. 693 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, they launched the first hashtag women to 694 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 3: Watch as part of the next Step program. In the 695 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 3: company's own words, this was the first time they had 696 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 3: focused on empowering female voices. In twenty sixteen, they formed 697 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 3: a year long partnership between Women Creators and the UN 698 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 3: to Advocate to Gender equality, and other organizations have been 699 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: trying to fight this as well. In twenty fourteen, you 700 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 3: Coalition now Uplifts together formed to combat sexual abuse, emotional manipulation, 701 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 3: and other forms of violence in the YouTube community. 702 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 703 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with every tech topic we do, because 704 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: of the show we are, we focus on the negative. 705 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of positives about YouTube. It can 706 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: be a great place to find community, be great place 707 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: to share ideas, to educate all kinds of things. 708 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: But this is I just there's so much fluctuation. 709 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: I can't say for sure the situation is getting better, 710 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: like people are talking about it, but and it's also 711 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of it annoys me in so many of these 712 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 1: tech episodes where it's like the creators are the ones 713 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: making YouTube money and they're not getting paid anything and 714 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: are forced to leave or I don't know. It's just 715 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things that need to be 716 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: figured out with right situation. 717 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 3: I think in general, content creation and content creators is 718 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: such a new thing. We've talked about it before, We've 719 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 3: talked about influencers and the good and the bad. 720 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, it is. 721 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that the law policies and 722 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 3: just human rights things haven't caught up with as fast 723 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 3: as this medium has become. 724 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 2: Right, it is complicated. 725 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: Like to YouTube's credit, I get that it's complicated because 726 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want an advertiser to be angry 727 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: about what they're at is running on. But you also 728 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: don't want a creator to not be able to make 729 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: money and leave. But right now it's not working at 730 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: least that's. 731 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: My view of it. 732 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: So I would love if anybody listening has more recent 733 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: experience with YouTube, has any thoughts or resources or numbers 734 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: anything like that, because this was one where I kind 735 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: of got overwhelmed. There's a lot more we could talk 736 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: about with this, and a lot is changing. Some of 737 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: the surveys I mentioned, even though they were recent. I 738 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: bet it's shifted. I bet the conversation has shifted since then. 739 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: So if there's anything like that, you can email us 740 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: at Stuffmedia, Mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can 741 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,399 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at Mom's taff podcast, or on 742 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok. 743 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 2: At stuff Well' never told You. 744 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer, Christina, thank you, 745 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening Stefan Never Told You 746 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: his protection of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, you 747 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: can check out the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or 748 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: regular listen to your favorite shows