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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called black Swan ballerina.

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Speaker 1: She's her hobby dead now claiming self defense. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Real life black Swan ballerina Ashley Benafield kills her husband

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Speaker 2: in self defense, claiming abuse, Faney.

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Speaker 1: County, nine on one.

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Speaker 3: What is the address of your emergency?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: My address is White Rock terrorst. Okay, can you dransform

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Speaker 5: me to.

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Speaker 3: Make sure I have it? Gregley?

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Speaker 5: The house next to honey, what's your address? Okay? Rich

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Speaker 5: right next door to me. She just came over her

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Speaker 5: strength husband attacked her and she says she's shot him.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: We've not gone over there yet, doctor.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what.

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Speaker 5: Is his name?

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Speaker 3: Heard?

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Speaker 5: His name is Doug Fttlefield.

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Speaker 1: What happened? Having worked at the Battered Women's Center for

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Speaker 1: nearly ten years while I was a prosecutor, I'm always

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Speaker 1: suspicious when I hear people say she claimed self defense?

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Speaker 1: Is there some issue? Listen? Listen to more of that

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Speaker 1: nine to one one call.

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Speaker 5: I have not gone over to the home. Okay, I

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Speaker 5: don't go back. I don't want you to go over there.

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Speaker 5: Say I'm line just one moment, and I'm gonna expect you.

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Speaker 3: Over the sheriff's dispatch.

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Speaker 5: Hoky, okay, okay, one moment, Colmdell, COLMDL.

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Speaker 3: What is your name? Sir? Ng Rooms?

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Speaker 5: John Stamping? I lived next summer. But that's on a

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Speaker 5: recorded line.

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Speaker 1: This is Gabby.

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Speaker 3: How can I help you?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Gabby, it's Karrian on a.

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Speaker 2: One one three two seven.

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Speaker 6: If John singer on the phone, he's saying, the neighbor

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Speaker 6: came over, a female neighbor.

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Speaker 5: It was a domestics.

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Speaker 3: She shot her husband.

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Speaker 1: So where's the gun? Listen?

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Speaker 5: She came in was quite a seric. I didn't know

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Speaker 5: who was Then our door said that he attacked her

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Speaker 5: and she shot him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just getting.

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Speaker 1: That on the straight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I know.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Where where is the gun? Is it with her?

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Speaker 7: Or is it?

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Speaker 5: I have it right here. Madam's sitting on the floor

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Speaker 5: inside the door. My door's locked in case she isn't.

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Speaker 5: She can't get off. I'm also armed if she does

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Speaker 5: more and higher harm hop So.

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Speaker 1: So everybody knows, don't worry. He's not coming after her.

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Speaker 1: He's dead with me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning in the so called

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Speaker 1: black Swan homicide trial, claims that this young ballerina mom

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Speaker 1: is also a killer. Straight out to Sophia Vitello, joining

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Speaker 1: US investigative reporter w w SB, joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Sarasota in this jurisdiction, Sophia, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Start at the beginning, what happened.

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Speaker 8: Very beginning of it all. I just want to start

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Speaker 8: with the two met in twenty sixteen out of dinner, okay,

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Speaker 8: at a Republican dinner. She was twenty four, he was

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Speaker 8: fifty four. So that's already a first red flag right there.

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Speaker 8: They fall in love and in just thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Days, stot Sophia Vittello, WWSB, you got me drink from

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Speaker 1: the fire hydrant here, too much, too fast? Okay, hold on, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you said the age difference is a

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Speaker 1: red flag. Tell me the age difference again.

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Speaker 8: Twenty four Ashley fifty four, Doug.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, probably not a red flag for him, did

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Speaker 1: I hear correctly? In thirteen days they're married. I don't

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Speaker 1: mean just like they have their first sleepover. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're married. They've done the deed.

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Speaker 8: Yes, no engagement I mean, we don't even know if

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Speaker 8: they were fully calling each other girlfriend and boyfriend. They

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Speaker 8: I do believe he's well off. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 8: And I do know that Ashley was struggling with a

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Speaker 8: career in modeling that was not working out for her,

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, she was to start her own ballet company.

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Speaker 1: That's not cheap, and then suddenly, poof presto, here comes

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Speaker 1: money bags. Okay, guys, When I start a murder case,

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Speaker 1: if at all possible, I like to play the nine

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Speaker 1: one one call in the opening statement. Brian Foley is

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Speaker 1: with me, board certified criminal defense attorney, former Chief Prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Harris County, and author of What Prosecutors Don't Tell You.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but Brian Foley, in order

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Speaker 1: to play a nine one one call in an opening statement,

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Speaker 1: you must first offer a profit and get it admitted

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Speaker 1: into evidence before you play it for a jury. But

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Speaker 1: do you agree or disagree that only a nine one

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Speaker 1: one call can take you back to the moment of

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Speaker 1: the incident, unlike any witness can. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: When I was a prosecutor, we love playing nine one

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Speaker 9: one calls, you know, if it sounds good. We hear

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Speaker 9: happens in nine on one calls where the operator is

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Speaker 9: stopping the drama and asking, well, what's the address? And

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Speaker 9: that always that always ruffled my feathers because you can

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Speaker 9: get transported back. You can hear her sobbing, you can

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Speaker 9: hear the neighbor saying they're there and consoling her. It

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Speaker 9: really it helps paint an audio picture for the jury.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes I would ask the jury to close their eyes

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Speaker 9: while we played it, and their mind would create the

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so hey right there. Following up what Brian

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Speaker 1: Foley and guys, he's a veteran trial lawyer out of Houston.

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Speaker 1: Sophia Vittello. Was there any acting in her background?

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Speaker 8: You know, we can't prove that, but what I can

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Speaker 8: say is that watching the trial, now, you know she's

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Speaker 8: putting on a show. She's testified for four hours on Friday.

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Speaker 1: determine something critical. Did this so called black Swan ballerina

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Speaker 1: let's listen to more than I will. One call.

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of concerned with her mother and the little

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Speaker 5: girl and might get back there Friday. Don't go after her, honey.

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Speaker 5: Come on, I know, I know, I know, come on.

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Speaker 3: You Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 5: I just want you guys to stand the fall with me. Okay, No,

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Speaker 5: I'm right here with him. I'm just with her.

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Speaker 1: Okay. You hear the neighbor who is consoling. We're calling

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Speaker 1: her the ballerina. Her name is Ashley Benifield. She was

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Speaker 1: twenty eight at the time of the shooting. At the time,

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Speaker 1: her husband, then husband, Doug Bennifield, was shot dead straight

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Speaker 1: back out to Sophia Vittello. Investigative reporter WWSB tell me

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Speaker 8: Okay, so this is right after you got to remember

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Speaker 8: Ashley had left South Carolina that was where they lived together.

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Speaker 8: She moved into this Bradenton home that was her mother's

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Speaker 8: house in what we would call here Lakewood Ranche. Pretty

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Speaker 8: nice area, I gotta say, nice house in a clean,

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Speaker 8: a safe area. Okay. So she was in her mother's home.

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Speaker 8: Doug was there to help her move. That raises another question.

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Speaker 8: If you were in a relationship with domestic violence, why

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Speaker 8: going on at her mother's house. That is the situation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something joining me is doctor Chloe Carmichael,

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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist and author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power

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Speaker 1: of Your Anxiety. I'm trying to do that right now,

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Speaker 1: doctor Chloe Carmichael, because after ten years, nearly eleven years

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Speaker 1: in the pit trying at felonies, violent felonies in inner

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Speaker 1: city Atlanta and at night working at the Battered Women's Center,

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Speaker 1: I never once heard of one of those ladies once

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Speaker 1: they had finally made it out, which is a huge

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Speaker 1: hurdle in itself getting out of the home, successfully leaving

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Speaker 1: the home and establishing yourself in another domicile here with

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Speaker 1: her mother. I've never heard of one of the ladies

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Speaker 1: ten years inviting the purpose writer, the abuser. She's so

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Speaker 1: afraid of that she actually moves out back to help

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Speaker 1: move help me out.

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Speaker 10: Yes, as a clinical psychologist, Nancy, I actually have seen

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Speaker 10: that before, so the back and forth can certainly happen.

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Speaker 10: Also as a clinical psychologist working in New York City

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Speaker 10: for a decade, I've also worked with New York City ballerinas,

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Speaker 10: and I can tell you indeed they do have acting training.

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Speaker 10: They're quite skilled that portraying the dramatic arts. I do

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Speaker 10: also have a couple of questions for Sophia. I'm curious,

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Speaker 10: as we're exploring what is the financial background, Nancy, you

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Speaker 10: if we know anything about the life insurance or if

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what very interesting that you said that,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Chloe. My next question for our investigative reporter, Sevilla Fatel.

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Speaker 1: It's life insurance. That's what's scrolled right there. Insurance. What

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Speaker 1: do we know about that Sophia Hotel? Have we heard

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Speaker 1: anything about that in the courtroom?

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Speaker 8: God, that is something that I have been looking into

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Speaker 8: and no one has been mentioning it. I've been finding

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Speaker 8: or tight lipped here. Even with you could think of

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Speaker 8: the restraining order that was out in South Carolina. We

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Speaker 8: can't know anything about that either, you know. So there's

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Speaker 8: a lot of things that are secret. What I do

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Speaker 8: know is that Doug was very much in love with Ashley.

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Speaker 8: So what I can tell you is that leading up

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Speaker 8: there was any life insurance, her name was on it.

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Speaker 1: And plus you've got the child. He has a child

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Speaker 1: with her of WorldWind Romance. These two actually marry thirteen

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Speaker 1: days after meeting at some political fundraiser they're married, the

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Speaker 1: deed is done. As a matter of fact, he has

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Speaker 1: a vasectomy reversed ouch so he and she can have

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Speaker 1: a baby, and they do have a baby girl. But

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Speaker 1: what about all the forensics I'm going to bring in

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics joining us from Jackson

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Speaker 1: State University. But first, a tiny, tiny bit of evidence

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Speaker 1: from our friends at Inside Edition. Do you believe that

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Speaker 1: your father was abusive toward his wife? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 8: He was the furthest thing from abusive in anyway.

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Speaker 11: Do you think she intended to shoot and kill him?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I believe that it was actually intentional and it

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Speaker 10: was planned prior to her shooting.

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Speaker 2: Black Swan murder Ashley Benefield on trial after her husband

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Speaker 2: is found dead shot three times?

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Speaker 1: What do we know about that autopsy report before I

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Speaker 12: It's fascinating to me, Nancy, that they're talking about self

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Speaker 1: Got a gunshot when I'm looking at the autopsy right now,

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Speaker 1: And can I tell you, Joe Scott, as if you

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Speaker 1: don't know, and I know you know, Brian Foley, Chris Byers.

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Speaker 1: Also you're winning us for a police chief in John's Creek.

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Speaker 1: You guys know how critical the autopsy is Okay. If

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Speaker 12: Well, what that means is that his lung has obviously

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Speaker 1: Let me just break it down. I know it's har

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Speaker 12: And one more thing that's really frustrating forensics sometimes when

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Speaker 1: Which totally ruins your trajectory investigation.

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Speaker 12: Yeah it can, it can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We also got perforation of right fifth and left

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Speaker 12: Well, T ten, that's you're talking about the thoracic vertebra

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Speaker 1: Stop plays ears, hurting, ears bleeding. Now, I'm just asking you,

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Speaker 1: T ten, vertebra that there's a perforation that's your spine. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 12: It all depends on how compromised that vertebral body is. Now,

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Speaker 1: Got a small isolated blast laceration of a order, the

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Speaker 12: It's the largest vessel in the body and literally runs

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my head around the fact

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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if he couldn't even move that projectile

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Speaker 1: bullet is recovered. But now I've got a gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: to the right leg Sophia Macello, how many times is

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Speaker 8: Shot three times? Three times?

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Speaker 1: Okay? And we've got perforations of lungs, gunshot wound to chest.

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Speaker 1: That's the cod cause of death, three separate gunshot wounds.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sense of what we know right now,

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Speaker 1: but I want you to hear what a judge. Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court Judge Diana Morland said. From our friends at Inside.

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Speaker 6: Edition, We'll see that this was a custody battle that

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Speaker 6: this mother was going to win at all costs, and

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Speaker 6: the cost was the life of Doug Benefield.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was going to kill me. Black Swan

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Speaker 2: ballerina Ashley Benifield testifies in her husband's murder trial.

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Speaker 1: So Joskott Morgan, professor FORENSAC Jacksonville State University death investigator

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Speaker 1: with over one thousand deaths investigated by him, says that

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Speaker 1: the victim was shot in the back. Our investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: says there were three gunshot wounds. Okay, I think the

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Speaker 1: word overkill may come into play right here, But having

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Speaker 1: I do not want to dissuade the consideration that she

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Speaker 1: may have been a battered woman. Let's look at the relationship.

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Speaker 1: Let's move away from the forensics, the gunshot residue, the

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Speaker 13: Listen, still grieving the sudden loss of his wife and

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Speaker 13: Doug Benifield is rubbing elbows with the rich and powerful

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Speaker 13: Ben Carson when he's introduced to a former ballerina. Ashley

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Speaker 13: Byers is a swimsuit model, and she and Benifield are

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Speaker 13: smitten with each other, and neither one seems to notice

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Speaker 14: Ashley tells Doug she wants to have a ballet company

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Speaker 14: to make her dreams come true. Doug returns from a

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Speaker 14: trip in thirteen days after they meet. Doug Benefield Mary's

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Speaker 14: Ashley buyers. It is a shocking turn of events for

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Sephia Vittello, Hold on, when

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Speaker 8: I mean she's a gorgeous girl. She's a gorgeous girl.

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Speaker 8: But what I do know is you know swimsuit model.

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Speaker 8: We got to use it lightly. Her career was not

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Speaker 8: blowing up. You know. I'm not to say that she

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Speaker 8: but we do know that Doug was vulnerable. In that video,

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Speaker 8: it says sudden dealing with a sudden loss of his wife. Guys,

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Speaker 8: it was less than a year. It was less than

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Speaker 8: a year. His wife had just died.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And isn't it correct, Sephia Vittello that his daughter

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Speaker 8: Yes, he's reeling it, and so's his daughter. And Eva

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Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not going to get into anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: Her, Okay, very quickly after the wedding, things turned sour Lissen.

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Speaker 13: In the first days of their wedded bliss, Doug and

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you have to do to have him

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Speaker 1: a sec Tom reverse show, Scott Morgan in a.

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Speaker 12: Nutshell, you have to go back in and actually reattach

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Speaker 12: point in Tom.

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Speaker 1: The vast difference. I don't even know what you're saying, man,

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Speaker 1: what go back into what the penis? It's anatomical you

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Speaker 12: I'm not talking about penis, Nancy, I'm not talking about penis.

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't have to ask, well, well, we'll talk about testicles.

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Speaker 12: How's that instead of penie we're talking about attachment?

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Speaker 1: Scott, I don't care. I know that the peanut gallery

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Speaker 1: may yiggle. But you meet a man in thirteen days,

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Speaker 1: you're married, and you convince him to have surgery on

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Speaker 1: his testicles. Okay, that's love. So he has surgery on

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Speaker 12: The vast sectomy is yes, but now you're talking about

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Speaker 12: all I have to say is, if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: So how difficult is it? And what does the man

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Speaker 1: there's no giggling.

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Speaker 12: This is real.

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Speaker 1: The guy's dead. He shot three times, once in the back.

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Speaker 1: It's not holding together from me, but into the thinking,

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Speaker 1: the thinking of these two. I just want to know

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Speaker 12: It's not very difficult at all. It's done all the time, literally,

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Speaker 12: and it can be done actually on an outpatient basis.

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Speaker 12: Most guys would like to remain in the hospital if

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Speaker 12: it is a painful process. To go through, so obviously

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, private investigator, owner of Buyers Investigative Services.

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Speaker 1: But for my purposes Former police chief John's Creek twenty

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Speaker 1: five years in l E Law enforcement Chris Bier's It'll

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Speaker 1: be a cold day, cold frigid, cold day in HG

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Speaker 1: double l that I do not support a battered woman's

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Speaker 1: right to defend herself against her abuser, right, absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But I cannot turn away from physical forensic evidence. Forensic evidence,

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Speaker 1: unless it's been tampered with, does not lie. Now what

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Speaker 1: do you think?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely in any of these cases, that's what you do.

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Speaker 11: You follow the evidence. And from what I'm hearing on

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Speaker 11: this as well, the three shots shot in the back,

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Speaker 11: it does not present as someone who was about to

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Speaker 11: receive imminent death or great bodily harm, which is what

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Speaker 11: you need for this self defense. So yes, with what

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Speaker 11: I'm hearing about the forensics of this, yeah, that's a

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Speaker 11: far stretch to show self.

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Speaker 7: Defense crime stories with Nancy Grace, a glam bellerina shoots

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Speaker 7: her husband dead claiming it was self defense.

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Speaker 1: To get to the truth of this case, it's so

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Speaker 1: called black Swan ballerina is on trial right now, what

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Speaker 1: do we know? Okay, we know that very quickly after

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Speaker 1: the meetup at a political fundraiser, the two get married

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Speaker 1: within thirteen days, and she announces not only does she

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Speaker 1: want her husband to fund a ballet company, which is

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Speaker 1: not a cheap endeavor that things go south. Not only

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Speaker 1: does she want the ballet company, she also wants her

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Speaker 1: husband to reversif s sectomy so she can have a baby,

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Speaker 1: which he does. Everything's going sideways, including money woes. Listen.

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Speaker 13: Doug Bennifield, trying to hold together the ballet company that

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Speaker 13: was his wife's dream, arrives to find that Ashley and

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Speaker 13: her mother drive from Florida to Charleston, pack up Ashley's

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Speaker 13: personal belongings and leave a note for Doug the marriage

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Speaker 13: is over, calling him possessive and controlling. In the note,

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Speaker 13: she says she is fearful for her life and the

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Speaker 13: safety of her unborn child.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she moves in with the mom. Listen.

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Speaker 4: Ashley Bennifield moves in with her mother in Florida and

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Speaker 4: begins a process to prevent Doug Bennifield from being involved

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Speaker 4: in the life of his own child. Frustrated, Doug Bennifield

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Speaker 4: uses an attorney to reach out to Ashley Bennfield by email.

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Speaker 4: Ashley has not kept Doug informed of anything with regard

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Speaker 4: to her pregnancy, and one day after receiving the email

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Speaker 4: from Doug's lawyer, Ashley Benfield has labor induced even though

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Speaker 4: she's weeks away from her due date. Ashley then refuses

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Speaker 4: to communicate with Doug. He isn't even where his daughter

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Speaker 4: is born for six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Okay, Sophia Vittela joining US investigative reporter WWSB.

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Speaker 1: So she kept the birth of the baby a secret

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Speaker 1: and did not tell the husband.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and this is really the state's entire argument here

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Speaker 8: that Ashley decided she wanted to be a single mother

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Speaker 8: the second she got pregnant. That's their whole argument against her,

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Speaker 8: saying that it was self defense because there have been

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Speaker 8: all of these instances where she got pregnant. She immediately

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Speaker 8: moved right, and then she made sure that he didn't

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Speaker 8: even know that the baby was born until six weeks after.

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Speaker 8: So she wanted him to have nothing to do with

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Speaker 8: the child that they shared.

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Speaker 1: Talking about psychological warfare, Doctor Chloe Carmichael with US Clinical

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Speaker 1: psychologist way in.

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Speaker 10: Doctor Chloe, Yes, thank you, and see I've just been

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Speaker 10: bursting over here, so thank you for playing that tape

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Speaker 10: of the daughter. I just think it's really important when

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Speaker 10: we look at the daughter testifying as to her opinion

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Speaker 10: regarding her father, we have to remember a couple of things.

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Speaker 10: First of all, the daughter herself may have a financial motive.

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Speaker 10: So especially when you have an opposite sex child, so

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Speaker 10: a daughter in this case whose father has now married

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Speaker 10: another woman, there can actually be a lot of rivalry

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Speaker 10: between the daughter and the step mother, right, and so

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Speaker 10: we even saw some of that reflected in the text messages. Additionally,

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Speaker 10: there could even be a financial motivation because if perhaps

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Speaker 10: we don't know a lot about the life insurance or

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Speaker 10: the estate, but if that was set to go to Ashley,

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Speaker 10: unless Ashley's a murderer, then perhaps it would go to Ava,

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Speaker 10: the daughter. And we could also see through the text

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Speaker 10: messages that the daughter was indeed a source of conflict

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Speaker 10: and Nancy, of course, I agree with you that we

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Speaker 10: don't want, you know, to disbelieve a battered woman. On

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Speaker 10: the other hand, I think it can cheapen cases of

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Speaker 10: battered women when we don't do our due diligence and

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Speaker 10: understand that sometimes and I'm not saying it's the case here,

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Speaker 10: but women can have ulterior motives for sometimes actually being untruthful.

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Speaker 1: And we just don't know what happened here. Now, I

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Speaker 1: want you to hear what the so called black Swan,

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Speaker 1: by the way, she doesn't like that Moniker has to say. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Douglas Benefield was a violent abuser.

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Speaker 10: I said stop, and he like turned and he got

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Speaker 10: into this like it's like a fighting stance.

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Speaker 1: I thought you they killed me. He started coming towards

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Speaker 1: me and he wunged at me.

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Speaker 7: Trigger.

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Speaker 1: Okay again from our friends at Inside Edition. But Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, did you hear what she just said? This

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Speaker 1: is critical, Joe Scott. She said he lunged at her.

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Speaker 1: If he lunged at her, the bullets should be front

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Speaker 1: to back.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, what he lunged at her with his shoulder blades.

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Speaker 12: That doesn't make sense at all. The calculus doesn't work

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Speaker 12: out here. Lunging means that you're moving toward the individual.

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Speaker 12: The indication is what we're hearing, is that he was

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Speaker 12: shot posteriorally. Now, we don't know the precise the precise

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Speaker 12: trajectories here. But it just doesn't. It just doesn't mesh.

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Speaker 12: And I got to tell you, Nancy, from a forensic standpoint,

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Speaker 12: this is one of the major benchmarks as to why

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Speaker 12: the police moved forward with this case.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean one of the benchmarks as to

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Speaker 1: why police move forward? The science doesn't.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the beauty of this is that the science doesn't lie.

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Speaker 12: She's actually saying that he lunged toward her and all

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Speaker 12: indications are is that these gut shot wounds, that this

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Speaker 12: man has sustained our posterior on his backside or at

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Speaker 12: least lateral. That it doesn't marry up with this so

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Speaker 12: called fighter stance whatever, whatever the hell that means that

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Speaker 12: he goes into. According to her, the science doesn't marry

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Speaker 12: up here. And that's one of the big we use

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Speaker 12: the term red flag a moment ago for an investigator.

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Speaker 12: That's a big red flag when you've got when the

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Speaker 12: police has spoken with the EME, which I guarantee they

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Speaker 12: did that day, and try to marry this up with

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Speaker 12: a statement that she's giving. The two things just don't mesh.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I want to go back to Sophia Vittillo joining

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Speaker 1: US investigative reporter WWSB are we correct that at least

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Speaker 1: one of the shots was back to.

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Speaker 8: Front According to dozens of hours, honestly of testimony from

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Speaker 8: this past week, everything that we have heard in court

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Speaker 8: was that he was facing the other way, and the

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Speaker 8: defense has tried to disprove that.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying he was shot in the back?

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Speaker 8: Very simply according to medical examiner's testimony, Yes, he was

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Speaker 8: shot in the back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then what she's saying cannot be true. And you know,

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Speaker 1: let me understand. Brian Foley joining me, renowned criminal defense

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Speaker 1: attorney and author, Brian It is possible that he is

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Speaker 1: shot in the back and was attacking her. He could

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Speaker 1: have attacked her and then turned to get a weapon.

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Speaker 1: He could have attacked her and tried to push off

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Speaker 1: a dog. There are many reasons he could have turned

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Speaker 1: his back and still be the aggressor. However, her story

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Speaker 1: is impossible based on the bullet path trajectory.

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Speaker 9: Yes, and when we listen to a defendant give a

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Speaker 9: statement about a very traumatic event, these things really happen

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Speaker 9: a lot faster than people think. You don't have time

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Speaker 9: to react in between shots. You know, some people say, well,

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Speaker 9: why did you have to shoot him? Two more times

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Speaker 9: if he'd already been shot, he's not. You know, the

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Speaker 9: other two bullets aren't self defense, even if the first

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Speaker 9: one was. But these all happened way too fast for

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Speaker 9: that to be the case.

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Speaker 8: And one thing I.

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Speaker 9: Wanted to add is the prosecution doesn't have to prove

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Speaker 9: that she lied about how it happened. You know, if

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Speaker 9: the forensic evidence shows that her statement isn't accurate, that

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Speaker 9: doesn't mean that she's not doing it in self defense.

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Speaker 9: They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there's

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Speaker 9: no other possibility that it was in self defense. And nuncil,

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Speaker 9: you hit the nail on the head. They said she

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Speaker 9: had to run back.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. Nobody has to prove no possibility beyond

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Speaker 1: any doubt whatsoever, such as to a mathematical certainty, like

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Speaker 1: two and two plus is four. Two and two equals four. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's not the legal standard. The legal standard is beyond

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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. She has raised the affirmative defense of

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Speaker 1: self defense, which means affirmative defense. I did it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm excused because self defense, because accident, because insanity, different reasons.

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Speaker 1: But the state only has to pierce that beyond a

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Not to a mathematical certainty, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that while an attacker can rarely be shot in the

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Speaker 1: back and still be the aggressor never happens, it's possible

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Speaker 1: her story does not coincide with the wounds. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Brian Foley.

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Speaker 9: Well, her story does coincide a little bit there in

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Speaker 9: the fact that he has an abrasion on his head

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Speaker 9: that would tend to show that there was a struggle,

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Speaker 9: maybe even an attack on her, and so that could

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Speaker 9: have happened before he was killed. You know, we don't

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Speaker 9: have the exact photos or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Is okay, you know what, let's follow through with that,

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Speaker 1: Brian Foley. Did she say, Sophia Vittello, that there was

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Speaker 1: a physical struggle and then somehow she hit him in

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Speaker 1: the head.

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Speaker 8: No, she said that he was trying to strike her

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Speaker 8: for the first time and she fired. So it is

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Speaker 8: believed that he did not he did not reach her.

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Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan, what were you saying.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, one of the things is very troubling to me, Nancy,

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Speaker 12: are these head injuries that he has sustained, Because they're

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Speaker 12: calling one of them a laceration. As you well know,

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Speaker 12: that's blunt force trauma. And one of the things that

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Speaker 12: we think about when someone holding a weapon. If the

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Speaker 12: team could come back to me here, we have a

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Speaker 12: dummy weapon here from JSU that we use at Jack

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Speaker 12: State to train our students with. You see these very

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Speaker 12: definitive edges here right here, And actually I've worked cases

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Speaker 12: where weapons like this can be used almost like a hammer.

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Speaker 12: They're very blunted, and that's where you I can't imagine

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Speaker 12: her as quote unquote athletic as she may have been,

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Speaker 12: that she's going to score a hit to his head

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Speaker 12: that's going to generate a laceration that's severe blunt force trauma.

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Speaker 12: I'm wondering if there are trace elements of his blood

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Speaker 12: on this weapon, and did they try to match this

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Speaker 12: up with the injury he sustained to his head, because

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Speaker 12: how's she going to get in close enough in order

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Speaker 12: to generate that kind of force with her bare hands.

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Speaker 12: I think there's a high probability that once he's down,

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Speaker 12: she may have struck him in the head.

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Speaker 1: In other words, simply put bare handed.

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Speaker 12: Maybe stomping on somebody, but not bare handed.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, got it. One thing that's very disturbing. I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of eminence stating that this is not

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Speaker 1: self defense. But Sylvia Vatello, isn't it true that Evans

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Speaker 1: is coming in that he the victim, hit the dog

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Speaker 1: and the cat out of anger.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so those are some things we have to look at,

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Speaker 8: and that is where the defense is pushing their entire argument.

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Speaker 8: We have his abuse. We don't know how many times

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Speaker 8: or what the situation specifically was towards the pets. We

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Speaker 8: have a fist in the wall. We have a bullet

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Speaker 8: mark in the ceiling of their house. Okay, so we

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Speaker 8: see here that maybe there was some moments of anger

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Speaker 8: and we don't know exactly what happened, But that's where

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Speaker 8: the defense is using. Hey, Doug was violent. Look he

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Speaker 8: hit the dog, he punched the wall. Why couldn't it

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Speaker 8: have been Ashley Sophia.

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Speaker 1: I think this text purportedly is from him. I punched

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Speaker 1: the dog because you got me so mad, like you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't stop about Eva always Eva, every argument? Eva? Who

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Speaker 1: is Eva? Sophia?

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Speaker 8: Eva is Doug's daughter, and I'd like to add have

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Speaker 8: talked to her several times and she tells me that

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Speaker 8: they were constantly together touching each other. Lovey dovey, and

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Speaker 8: so maybe there was a bit of jealousy on Ashley's end,

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Speaker 8: because I did not pick it up from Eva's end

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Speaker 8: while I was interviewing her.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to add that interesting. So there's that text,

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Speaker 1: there's that text reportedly from the victim. But also I

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Speaker 1: want to see that picture of a female hand up

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Speaker 1: against a hole in the wall. I'm just wondering. I

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Speaker 1: think that is the defendant's hand as she benefil's hand

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Speaker 1: showing a hole in the wall. Yes, do we know

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Speaker 1: who took this picture?

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Speaker 8: I believe it was Ashley trying. I'm sure she's trying

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Speaker 8: to just show the size. He references the wall. He

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Speaker 8: takes responsibility for the wall, you know, for doing that.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off, good

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Speaker 1: night friend,