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Speaker 1: and got out of it, and now they're realizing, right,

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Speaker 1: this is a good safe white act saws and enjoy

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Speaker 1: should we have it, should we not have it? Cheese

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Speaker 1: were doing the right thing and talked to the course

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Speaker 1: we finally said, yeah, let's do it. Let's you know,

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Speaker 1: It was like okay, okay, you know it was cool

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Speaker 1: though a lot of guys really really needed They love

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Speaker 1: they love that. I mean, we had camaraderie, but it

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Speaker 1: You know, I really did the right thing. I missed

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Speaker 1: this one at Grizzly Ranch, but as an Avid Link

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Speaker 1: two Man's in my future and I'll definitely be back

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Speaker 1: to Ireland. But had to miss my annual trip to

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Speaker 1: Waterville this year for car Golf's Father Son Tournament again.

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Speaker 1: As Marty Carr explains, local golf and drive travel are up,

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Speaker 1: are basically non existent for now. Travel business basically is

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Speaker 1: down last year, so clearly nobody can travel with the

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Speaker 1: many different rules. Americans are not permitted to travel to

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Speaker 1: need to quarantine for fourteen days. And quarantine basically means

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Speaker 1: you need to stay. You need to tell a start

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Speaker 1: when you land where you're going to be staying. You

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Speaker 1: can change where you're staying, but you need to stay indoors.

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Speaker 1: You can't go out to restaurants, you can't take golf,

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Speaker 1: but you could. You can go out for a psychle,

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Speaker 1: you can go head for a walk if you need to.

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Speaker 1: You can go to the shops. So it's not as

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Speaker 1: if you've gotta In some countries you've gotta lock yourself

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Speaker 1: in a room and they bring three meals a day,

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Speaker 1: which I understand is happening in New Zealand. Terra eating

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Speaker 1: tom Doake of course and want to build another plus

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Speaker 1: a core and crunchhap but that thirty six whole edition

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Speaker 1: is on hold for now. And that's just about it

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Speaker 1: for this Firepin. Special appreciation for the guests of this

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Speaker 1: podcast for their time, transparency, and all that they do

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Speaker 1: for the game of golf. More to come as we

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Speaker 1: continue to prep and record season two, which will officially

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Speaker 1: start dropping soon. But in keeping with tradition, we're ending

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Speaker 1: this roundtable just like we did the first one, with

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Speaker 1: a joke from Marty Carr. Anyway I can I can't

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Speaker 1: use the effort, can abreviate? Oh yeah, of course you can.

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Speaker 1: Ashworths used in multiple times in the podcast. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this this so this guy and he's given the fact

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Speaker 1: that we're in Carry. Is this guy in a Carry

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Speaker 1: radio station and he runs the program every Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: and he says, we're going to have a competition today

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Speaker 1: and we want you to call him with unusual words.

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Speaker 1: So we want you to call up, give us your name,

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Speaker 1: tell us where you're from, and give us your word

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Speaker 1: and the winner gets two nights in the buddler Arms

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Speaker 1: Hotel and a random water girlfriends. Anyway that all the

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Speaker 1: Carry people are calling in there a huge queue of

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Speaker 1: people on the line, and the DJ goes, okay, call

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Speaker 1: a number one. He goes, hell, oh, yes, my name

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Speaker 1: is Mattie and I'm calling from kin Sale. This is

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Speaker 1: how your matter? He says, what's your word? He goes

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Speaker 1: gan and he goes grant. He said that's an unusual

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Speaker 1: where He says, can you spell it? He says, I

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Speaker 1: that word. Now, that's a fantastic word. That could be

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Speaker 1: a winner. He says, could you put it in context?

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Speaker 1: He says, I can't gonna fund yourself. So anyway, the

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Speaker 1: and he goes to an ad break. He comes back

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Speaker 1: on and he apologizes profusely for the for the for

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Speaker 1: the use of profanity on the airways, and then he said,

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Speaker 1: we've good time for one more caller and then we

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Speaker 1: have to call it quits. So he goes, okay, caller,

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Speaker 1: he's about your name because my name is Samous. He said,

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Speaker 1: how are you Shamus Heason? Where are you calling from? Shamus?

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Speaker 1: He's don't call h from True County County. It's a

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Speaker 1: good man, Jamus. What's your word. He goes, sh me.

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Speaker 1: He says me. He says, I've never heard that word. Sis.

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Speaker 1: Can you Spellali says I can M e h B,

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Speaker 1: And he goes, she's could you put it in context?

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Speaker 1: He said, I cantch me again. Go fund yourself. Remember

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Speaker 1: use promo code Maddie G to get off your next

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Speaker 1: purchase of apparel at link soul dot com. Ongoing appreciation

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Speaker 1: for Alex up Peggy who helps me produce this podcast,

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Speaker 1: Rexcellent who adds the sound and music