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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: much discuss here all across the Land. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in play Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: Listen, Oh wow, that is the best news I've heard today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. You don't know how much that

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Speaker 6: Let me tell you what means the media.

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Speaker 1: Of Okay, I appreciate the president calling, whether it's Trump,

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Speaker 1: connect what happened to him to what happened to these

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Speaker 1: awful grieving moments for these family members, I just think

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Speaker 1: it speaks to Biden's willingness to continue to lie. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about lie about things or even disputable facts.

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Speaker 1: Right where you say, well we believe this, you know

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Speaker 1: to what the truth actually is.

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Speaker 2: This is a lie.

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Speaker 1: He's been called out on it a ton, and he

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Speaker 1: continues to spread it. And I think that's unfortunately reflective

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Speaker 2: And yet, because Joe Biden has a long history of

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Speaker 2: just he'll continue to do it. And it's fine. I

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Speaker 2: know people will say, oh, but you know Trump lies,

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Speaker 2: hold on, hold on a second, lying about service related

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Speaker 2: death in the military. That that rubs people, and generally

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Speaker 7: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do

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Speaker 2: Join Clay and Buck as they laugh.

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Speaker 2: All right, third Hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: Our friend Andy McCarthy joins us. He is at National Review,

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Speaker 2: a Fox News contributor for federal prosecutor, and he is

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Speaker 2: in Chico, I go right now watching his son play baseball.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure Clay is going to have some baseball

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Speaker 2: related questions for you, or you know, little league questions, Andy,

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Speaker 2: But I can and thank you, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. If I can start eighty three million dollar

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Speaker 2: judgment against Trump. We kind of want you to give

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Speaker 2: us your your just your top line on that, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get to some of these other legal things. It's

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Speaker 2: just getting crazy, isn't it, Andy, I mean, eighty three

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Speaker 2: million dollar defamation judgment. How do you how does this stuff?

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Speaker 2: How can the system be taken seriously when it's so preposterous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the best way to look at it is,

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Speaker 5: in the first of these two trials, the issue of

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Speaker 5: sexual assault was actually on the table for the jury

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Speaker 5: to consider, uh, and they found it, but they awarded

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Speaker 5: two million dollars for it, and then looked at the

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Speaker 5: defamation and said three million war so it was five million.

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Speaker 5: So you have a case where the allegedly horrific thing

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Speaker 5: that happened was at issue. The jury found it was

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Speaker 5: proved at least to their satisfaction on a low civil

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Speaker 5: standard of proof, but gave a very modest award, which

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Speaker 5: I think is his testimony to the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's a shaky story without a lot of factual support.

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Speaker 5: Then you get to the second trial, where sexual assault

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Speaker 5: is not on the table.

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Speaker 8: It's simply a question.

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Speaker 5: Of damages for defamation, including one act of defamation that

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Speaker 5: the jury actually considered but didn't have to vote on

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Speaker 5: in the in the first trial, and it's eighty three

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Speaker 5: million dollars. You don't even have like the sexual assault

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Speaker 5: involved in the case, and it's eighty three million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Very I'd say impossible to square, but certainly very hard

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Speaker 5: to square.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think happens there? We got to

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Speaker 1: asked that question a little lot. Obviously Trump could negotiate alongside

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Speaker 1: of Egene Carroll's attorneys. Sometimes you see when somebody you

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Speaker 1: well know and for you thought they were not familiar.

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Speaker 1: If a jury gives an outlandish verdict, a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: the two lawyers have already set a ceiling and a

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Speaker 1: floor by which they say, hey, we're not going over

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Speaker 1: this number, We're not going below this number. That obviously

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Speaker 1: didn't happen here. Do you think they say, hey, we'll

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Speaker 1: take twenty million? And Trump says, okay, do you think

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Speaker 1: the appeal just goes on forever? And I mean, Andy,

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Speaker 1: from a pure legal perspective, here's what I can't get past.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious how you would analyze this. Even leaving

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Speaker 1: Trump aside, he was found liable for defamation based on

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Speaker 1: in this second trial comments that he made in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen before there had been any verdict rendered in the

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Speaker 1: first civil trial. So this to me feels almost like

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Speaker 1: a floating defamation. He didn't deny the verdict of the

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Speaker 1: first trial. It feels to me like the story is

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Speaker 1: being reported as if Trump may comments, and I believe

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Speaker 1: she sued on subsequent comments, right, and that's a different story.

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Speaker 1: But I don't understand how you can defame someone for

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Speaker 1: a trial verdict that hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense to you?

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Speaker 1: It seems very wonky and wacky purely from a procedural perspective.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's procedurally confusing, Clay because the twenty nineteen defamation

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Speaker 5: was tied up in a pellet litigation over whether he

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Speaker 5: had immunity for it because he made the statement while

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Speaker 5: he was president. And here is where I think the

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Speaker 5: court made an error that I think the Appeals Court

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Speaker 5: is going to look very hard at, and that is

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Speaker 5: Trump only wanted to have one trial here, yeah, and

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Speaker 5: Judge Taplin insisted on having two. So I do fault

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Speaker 5: Trump for not contesting the first trial, because you know, look,

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Speaker 5: if you're a defendant in a civil trial and you

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Speaker 5: don't contest, it's not like a criminal trial. The jury

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Speaker 5: gets told that they can draw an inference against you

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Speaker 5: for not testifying, right, So you're almost a sured if

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Speaker 5: you don't participate to lose. And any good lawyer should

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Speaker 5: have told them. You know, look, if you lose here

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Speaker 5: in the next trial, they have this doctrine that's called

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Speaker 5: collateral estoppelo and you won't be able to relitigate. You know,

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Speaker 5: he should have participated in the first trial, But that said,

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Speaker 5: it should only have been one trial. And sure, maybe

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Speaker 5: they would have been a second one anyway, because if

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Speaker 5: he kept defaming her, you know, she was going to

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Speaker 5: keep seeing them and at some point they would have

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Speaker 5: been a second trial. But it's really Kaplin's fault that

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Speaker 5: there were two trials and the result of how Trump

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Speaker 5: handled it, he really didn't have a defense in the

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Speaker 5: second trial.

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Speaker 8: So it was like, I think, this is like.

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Speaker 5: A human thing more than a than a legal thing.

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Speaker 8: But I've always thought.

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Speaker 5: There's something really cathartic for a jury in finding someone

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Speaker 5: guilty or finding against somebody on a civil tour, and

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Speaker 5: the effect of that is to kind of depress the damages,

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Speaker 5: like you think that you've already struck.

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Speaker 8: A blow by saying the guy.

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Speaker 5: Did it, and that has a moderating effect I think

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Speaker 5: on damages, whereas here they didn't get to do that.

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Speaker 5: This jury the only thing, the only way if they

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Speaker 5: decided Trump was in the wrong the only way they

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Speaker 5: could slam them was with damages, and they really did.

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Speaker 5: And on your first question, I think this isn't a

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Speaker 5: normal case. I think you're right that in a normal

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Speaker 5: case they probably negotiate an amount and like everybody goes home.

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Speaker 5: But there's a political component to this. And because it's

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Speaker 5: not a criminal case, Trump has to put up the

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Speaker 5: money in order to appeal. He doesn't have to pay

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Speaker 5: it to Carol, but they have to pay it into

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Speaker 5: an escrow account. And I think part of what's going

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Speaker 5: on here is if you think about this case and

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Speaker 5: then you think about what's coming with this Judge angern

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Speaker 5: decision when he gives whatever he's going to give on

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Speaker 5: the civil fraud case, where the state is asking.

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Speaker 8: For three hundred and seventy million.

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Speaker 5: Dollars, that's going to tie up a lot of Trump.

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Speaker 5: That's half a billion dollars that's going to be tied

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Speaker 5: up for a couple of years while he appeals Andy.

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Speaker 2: And we haven't even gotten to the criminal stuff. And

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Speaker 2: I want to spend more time with you with you

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Speaker 2: on that too, But the so the civil stuff, it

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Speaker 2: sounds like they're draining his resources and his time, and

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Speaker 2: and there's just all and also the just the optics

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Speaker 2: of going into court and this jury found against him,

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Speaker 2: and all this stuff on the criminal side of things, though,

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Speaker 2: what is the latest. I know We've talked to you

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Speaker 2: about this a bunch. We always look at it seems

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Speaker 2: first and foremost the January sixth trial in DC, because

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Speaker 2: that's the one that could be the most politically damaging

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Speaker 2: according to the polls. Does it look like that's gonna happen, Well.

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Speaker 5: It looks to me like it can happen buck until

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Speaker 5: at least the summer. And then to me, this is

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Speaker 5: where I think I've been wrong all along. I've thought

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Speaker 5: it would be so unseemly to subject him to a

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Speaker 5: two to three month criminal trial as it gets really

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Speaker 5: close to the election, that there was like a certain

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Speaker 5: date that if they couldn't start by like X date,

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't start. I now think I was wrong about that,

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Speaker 5: because they've blown past every single norm you can imagine.

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Speaker 8: To get this time.

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Speaker 5: And I just think if the you know, if a

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Speaker 5: tease up that they can't get the trial until say

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Speaker 5: mid July or early August, I think they're so determined

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Speaker 5: to get that case to trial they would try to

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Speaker 5: push it to trial, even though it's two to three months,

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Speaker 5: and even though.

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Speaker 8: In criminal trials, unlike civil trials, the.

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Speaker 5: Defendant has to be present every day. So you know,

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Speaker 5: I hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: anything would stop these guys if they thought they could

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Speaker 5: get that case to trial.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So any let's go into the time specifically, because

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Speaker 1: this to me is the crux of maybe the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four campaign in general. Initially they were going to

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Speaker 1: try to start the Jack Smith case on March fourth,

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Speaker 1: that's the day before Super Tuesday. There's zero percent chance

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Speaker 1: that that's going to happen. Right, We're at February now.

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Speaker 1: We've been saying on this show from the moment the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court took the case that dealt with part of

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Speaker 1: half of the charges on January sixth. Supreme Court can

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Speaker 1: wait until late June if they want to to issue

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Speaker 1: an opinion there. I think would be very hard to

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Speaker 1: start before the Supreme Court has ruled on that, to

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Speaker 1: say nothing of the presidential powers argument, which is currently

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Speaker 1: pending before the DC Circuit and has everything frozen there. Right,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court can still take that up. Trump's going to

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Speaker 1: appeal there. I now think that this New York City

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg case may be the first to go to trial,

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Speaker 1: and that the Jack Smith case may or may not

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Speaker 1: end up happening. If you were setting the over under,

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Speaker 1: and I know this is complicated, I know we got

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Speaker 1: nine months until the election day basically sitting right now,

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Speaker 1: how many cases do you think of these criminal nature

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Speaker 1: are going to be able to be completed, I mean

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Speaker 1: completed jury, full verdict before everybody officially votes. I think

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Speaker 1: election days November fifth, If I've got that right for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. If you were setting an over under

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Speaker 1: right now, what would you make that number.

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Speaker 5: I'm still going to say one. And the reason I'm

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Speaker 5: going to say one is even though I think you're

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Speaker 5: right that the Brad case could get to trial and

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Speaker 5: that's a shorter one. I you know, maybe I'm fooling

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Speaker 5: myself on this, but I if I'm the Democrats, I

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Speaker 5: don't want to start with that one. I agree he

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Speaker 5: could actually beat that case, so they haven't been carted.

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Speaker 1: And also, by the way, I think I'm curious Andy

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Speaker 1: started to cut you off.

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Speaker 2: I think Buck and I have been talking about this

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see all of these

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Speaker 1: New York City cases as just kind of a big

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Speaker 1: gob the glob that's all connected, even though some of

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Speaker 1: them are civil, some of them are business related, some

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Speaker 1: of them are sexual assault relisted in the overall New

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Speaker 1: York procedural shuffle. Do you agree on that front too,

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Speaker 1: not to mention the charges are less significant.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would put it this way, Clay.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a no lose for Trump and a

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Speaker 5: potential bonanza. I think if he loses the case, exactly

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Speaker 5: what you said is true, it just like goes.

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Speaker 8: Into the ether.

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Speaker 5: It's another New York jury that had it in for him,

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Speaker 5: or you know whatever. But if he beats the case

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Speaker 5: in Manhattan, which he could do because it's such a

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Speaker 5: stupid case, that's going to discredit everything else in the

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Speaker 5: law Fair campaign, and that would really.

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Speaker 8: Be a cup for him.

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Speaker 2: I think one other question here, we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: One other question that I haven't heard anybody else ask

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Speaker 1: or talk about. And you're an expert. By the way,

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Speaker 1: good luck to your son in this. He placed in

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Speaker 1: the University of Chicago. I believe that's got to be amazing,

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Speaker 1: incredible school to have a kid at that supports free speech,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and also to have a kid playing

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Speaker 1: in college baseball.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you love going to those games.

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Speaker 1: That's outstanding and hopefully it helps to defray the pain

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Speaker 1: of your mets. Never have a chance to my beat

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Speaker 1: my braves. But Andy, one thing that I'm not hearing

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Speaker 1: anybody ask, I'm curious if you've thought about this at all.

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Speaker 2: South Florida has been under the radar.

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Speaker 1: What if South Florida decides to jump ahead of jan

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Speaker 1: six because they know the Supreme Court is not going

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Speaker 1: to rule until probably June. And there are many different

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Speaker 1: complexities there not as many. It doesn't seem actual complexities

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Speaker 1: with the South Florida case that could keep the Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith case that I think Democrats want to be the

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Speaker 1: focal point, which is the one in DC. Is it

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Speaker 1: possible if there's too many moving parts now? And the

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Speaker 1: Florida case is a serious challenge in terms of the

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Speaker 1: facts for Trump. But I think the jury's very beneficial.

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Speaker 1: I think the judge is very reasonable. That might last

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Speaker 1: for months and box out the potential of their being

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Speaker 1: charges brought and finished in DC.

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Speaker 2: Have you bought any about that angle.

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Speaker 5: I think that Smith made a strategic error with respect

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Speaker 5: to that case, which will not allow for what you

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Speaker 5: just laid out otherwise would be plausible. And that is

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Speaker 5: if you wanted to do that kind of fast and

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Speaker 5: nasty and get it to trial, what you do is

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Speaker 5: you leave the classified information counts out and you just

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Speaker 5: do the obstruction case, and that I think he could

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Speaker 5: have gotten to trial. The problem he has is he

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Speaker 5: larded it up with like three dozen classified information counts

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Speaker 5: and undus SIPA, which is the Classified Information Procedures Act.

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Speaker 5: All admissibility questions about classified information have to be litigated

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Speaker 5: prior to trial, and there are appeals.

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Speaker 8: So I think part of what's bogged.

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Speaker 5: That thing down is not only the ability to get

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Speaker 5: access to the classified documents for discovery purposes, but also

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Speaker 5: just the sheer breadth of trying to litigate all of

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Speaker 5: the admissibility questions that could possibly come up bearing on

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Speaker 8: It's going to be very hard, and I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think the judge is pushing to get the case

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Speaker 5: to trial, so it's going to be very hard to

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Speaker 5: get that to the trial.

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Speaker 2: Andy, you think, Atlanta, sorry, we're really doing it around

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Speaker 2: the world here of the legal stuff, you think Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: just basically done. I mean, because of the prosecutor and

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Speaker 2: the ethical issues and the whole thing. I mean, is

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Speaker 2: that a non issue at least in terms of the election.

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Speaker 5: It's the hardest one to gauge because there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of moving parts now, the prosecutors mired in scandal. She

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Speaker 5: tried to do this big rico thing to keep together,

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Speaker 5: which should have been a bunch of disparate little cases.

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Speaker 5: And an overlay on this buck is that Meadows is

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Speaker 5: still litigating whether they can get the case transferred to

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Speaker 5: federal court, which would basically start it all over again

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Speaker 5: if that happens. And I still think he's got a

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Speaker 5: good chance to win on that, So, you know, I

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Speaker 5: think that's very That's a really tough.

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Speaker 8: One to gauge at this point. There's too much going

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Speaker 2: Well, But I mean, the prosecutor's issues alone, is that

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Speaker 2: enough that you think maybe just derails it. The fact

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it derailed. It may derail her participation

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Speaker 5: in it more than it derails the case. But on

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Speaker 5: the other hand, she's.

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Speaker 8: The one who pushed for the RICO.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think the rico's preposterous.

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Speaker 8: And these guys never committed it.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can't conspire in the criminal law unless

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Speaker 5: it's a conspiracy to violate a law, and trying to

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Speaker 5: get an election reversed is not a crime, so that's

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Speaker 5: not really the basis of a conspiracy. So she tried

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Speaker 5: to paper over that by invoking Rico. But the truth

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Speaker 5: of the matter is the only thing these nineteen people

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Speaker 5: ever did together was get indicted, you know. Otherwise it's

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Speaker 5: a bunch of disparate crimes committed by a lot of people,

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Speaker 5: many of whom didn't even.

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Speaker 8: Know each other or know what each other was doing.

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Speaker 8: So if she's out.

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Speaker 5: Of the case, I wonder if it laughs as a

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Speaker 5: rico as opposed to Yeah, look, the four people have

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Speaker 5: the rico, right, and with respect to one of them,

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Speaker 5: they had a makeup. Even though she has like this

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Speaker 5: because it was you know, she couldn't plead to anything

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Speaker 2: So it's a mess, Andy, enjoy the game.

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Speaker 2: So, first off, would you just tell us some things

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Speaker 9: like California sort of emerge onto the national stage and

871
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Speaker 9: then immediately think that somehow you're going to connect with

872
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 9: voters on a national level without gaining the necessary experience.

873
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: So, Charlie, you I think have already gotten some attention

874
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: for the story of how Kamala was selected. There's been

875
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: reporting that Jill Biden, Joe Biden's wife, was very unappreciative

876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: of the attacks being Joe Biden being called a racist

877
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: in that probably signature moment of Kamala's campaign and that

878
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: she didn't want Jill didn't want Kamala Harris to be selected.

879
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: If you believe that to be true, how did Kamala

880
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: Harris come to be selected?

881
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: Who was she selected over? What have you been able

882
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: to discover about that?

883
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, Jill Biden actually was preferring Susan Rice because

884
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 9: it became very clear after the Summer of riots and

885
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 9: the George Floyd protests that in order to sort of

886
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 9: put together the Obama coalition, they would need a woman

887
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 9: of color on the ticket. This is what Biden's senior

888
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 9: advisors were telling him, this is what Obama was telling

889
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 9: him behind the scenes. They very much agreed that it

890
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 9: was time to pick a black woman to be on

891
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 9: the ticket. That the hard part was picking was who

892
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 9: it was going to be. Jill Biden favored Susan Rice

893
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 9: eat despite all of the craziness surrounding the Benghazi terrorist attacks.

894
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 9: So and certainly Pelosi and others did not necessarily make

895
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 9: Kamala the first pick. But I think ultimately the senior

896
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 9: advisors took a look at what Kamala was doing behind

897
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 9: the scenes on the media aspect and really push pushing

898
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 9: the issue hard, and they finally convinced Biden. He complained

899
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 9: that he was forced to go with his head instead

900
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 9: of his heart, and I think that's why he ended

901
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 9: up choosing him.

902
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: How confident are you one way or the other, Charlie,

903
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: after looking into all this as to whether or not

904
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: the Democrats would allow if they needed to allow for

905
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: someone to take over for Biden, would they give it

906
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: a go with Kamala Harris or do you really think,

907
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of discussion about this out there,

908
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: that there could be some other plan where even though

909
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: she's the vice president, she wouldn't really take over the presidency.

910
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of nervous nervousness behind the scenes

911
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 9: of what happens if Joe Biden can't make it to

912
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 9: election day. Do we just automatically put Kamala Harris as

913
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 9: the Democrat nominee to take over Trump. That's unlikely to happen.

914
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 9: The only reason that Joe Biden's running again is because

915
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 9: Harris isn't ready. So I foresee, if if Joe Biden

916
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 9: doesn't make it to election day, I can see it

917
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 9: at a very very tumultuous time for the Democrat Party. Uh,

918
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 9: certainly You're going to see a lot of donors trying

919
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 9: to pull their their you know, preferred candidate forward to

920
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 9: replace Kamala, And certainly no one expects Kamala to seriously

921
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 9: compete with Trump at this point.

922
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So if Biden were not to run, based on

923
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: your reporting about Kamala, what do you think would happen?

924
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Then Kamala obviously has a very high regard for herself

925
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be reflected in staff, right even.

926
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to.

927
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: Say nothing of what people in the larger world, you know,

928
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean all of us know sometimes perception of political

929
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: figures or just celebrities in general can be one hundred

930
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: percent artificial. There are people that seem very likable in

931
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: the public eye that are actually awful. There are people

932
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: who seem awful that are actually very likable. To me,

933
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: the fact that Kamala Harris can't keep a staff is

934
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: not a very strong endorsement of her both likability and

935
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: also work ability.

936
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: What do you think they would do?

937
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: So, you're right, I think Buck and I would agree

938
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: with you, And I'm interested that your reporting reflects this,

939
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: that the idea was clearly Joe Biden's gonna be eighty

940
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: two will pass the baton to the next generation of

941
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: Democrat leaders. But Kamala has been such a disaster that

942
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: Democrats have decided Joe Biden's the guy. Who would be

943
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: in the mix? Do you think it would be Gavin Newsom?

944
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Do you think it would be Michelle Obama? Do you

945
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: think it would be Gretchen Whitmer, JB.

946
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: Pritzker.

947
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: What would Democrats do and how hard would Kamala Harris

948
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: fight to argue that she had to be the pick

949
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: in the event that Joe Biden's not able to be

950
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: the pick?

951
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 9: Oh, I think she'd fight tooth and nail if they

952
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 9: tried to pass her up and put somebody else in

953
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 9: her place, somebody like a Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer.

954
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 9: I think Joe Biden preferred Gretchen Whitmer as a VP

955
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 9: candidate back in twenty twenty, But I don't think that

956
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 9: she would be very happy if any either one of

957
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 9: those tried. There's been a long history of competition between

958
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 9: Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris.

959
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: If you think they like presidency, what do you think

960
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: their relationship is actually like behind the scenes?

961
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 9: Oh, the relationship between Gavin and Kamala is very much frenemies.

962
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 9: On the outside, they are super cordial and nice to

963
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 9: each other, but behind the scenes they are very much

964
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 9: working to protect their political brand and leverage themselves one

965
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 9: over the other. It's interesting they're both running for both

966
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 9: eyeing the race for California governor in twenty sixteen and

967
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 9: until the Barbara Boxer suddenly resigned and opened up a

968
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 9: slot for Kamala's political ambitions.

969
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: So how is how is Kamala Harris? I mean, you

970
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: obviously charged this. We've got a copy of your book

971
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: here by the way, Amateur Hour, which folks, especially who

972
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: are streaming the show, can see up on the website.

973
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: How did she manage to become the vice president? I mean,

974
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: I know that's that's a book length question and not

975
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: just but what does she do well?

976
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 5: Well?

977
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: How did she? I mean, she does have to get

978
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: some credit for maneuvering as one of the worst national

979
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: level politicians based on political skills that are visible to

980
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: the general public that anyone could think of. She did

981
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: become the vice president? How did that happen?

982
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting. The Biden campaign has and you can

983
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 9: see this as they head into an election year, they're

984
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 9: really sort of focusing on her strengths, the things that

985
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 9: she offers to Joe Biden, and one of those is

986
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 9: the ability to promote the idea of abortion rights. Another

987
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 9: is connecting with young people. That's why she's been sort

988
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 9: of playing in her safe spaces on the campaign trail,

989
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 9: really focusing on those issues that Biden needs help on.

990
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 9: They realized they needed a person of color to get

991
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 9: up there and talk to black voters because Joe Biden

992
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 9: was so bad on the issue right around the time

993
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 9: that he was choosing a vice president, famous lines like

994
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 9: poor kids are just as smart as white kids, and

995
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 9: back when he said you ain't black if you don't

996
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 9: if you vote for Trump, and those kinds of things

997
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 9: is why they chose Kamala because he needed help on

998
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 9: those couple of issues.

999
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you spend it. Again, we're

1000
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: talking to Charlie Spearing. The book is Amateur Hour. Kamala

1001
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: Harris in the White House. Kamala Harris got her start

1002
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: in the political universe by being the mistress of Willie Brown,

1003
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: the mayor then of San Francisco. I think also very

1004
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: powerful in California legislature. Circles, if I'm not mistaken. Over

1005
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: the years, that story, for the most part, is not

1006
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: talked about. And Kamala doesn't have children of her own.

1007
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: She's married to a high powered white Jewish attorney, Doug L. M.

1008
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Hoff.

1009
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: I think who most people have no idea about. Yet

1010
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be this paragon of Black womanhood, even

1011
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: though she also is Afro Caribbean. I believe she's half

1012
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: an Indian, right, she isn't that similar to most Black

1013
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: women in America. When you look at her bi and

1014
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: you look at her history, Why do you think there's

1015
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: been so little discussion about her history? And how much

1016
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: do you think in your reporting has the media protected

1017
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: her past?

1018
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, Clay, absolutely, the media has sort of protected her brand.

1019
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 9: There's a reason why people don't talk about Willie Brown

1020
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 9: because she hates talking about it. She hates anybody any

1021
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 9: discussion of how she first arrived on the political scene

1022
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 9: as the twenty nine year old girlfriend of a sixty

1023
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 9: year old politician, powerful politician.

1024
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: Running ferry politician.

1025
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 8: Right.

1026
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 9: His wife, Blanche was a strange, a strange from him,

1027
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 9: but he was sort of looking to prove that he

1028
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 9: could lock down a serious relationship where typically he was

1029
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 9: often seen with many women on his arms as he

1030
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 9: traveled around the city. But the reason why Willie Brown

1031
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 9: matters is because he appointed her to two different state

1032
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 9: boards that paid her over four hundred thousand dollars in

1033
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 9: state funds while he was dating her. And you know,

1034
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 9: adjust that for inflation, that's almost like eight hundred thousand

1035
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 9: dollars in today's money. So this is how she arrived

1036
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 9: on the political scene. Willie Brown funded her, brought opened

1037
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 9: the door, brought her into his political world, and that's

1038
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 9: why she's that really kicked off her career.

1039
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: And Charlie, this is important to me because for we

1040
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: were just talking about how Biden does very well with women, right,

1041
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: single women, married women. Kamala Harris as the other woman

1042
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: what I would describe as the side chick of a

1043
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: man who is thirty years older than her. That doesn't

1044
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: resonate very well with especially married women who don't like

1045
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: the second woman who kind of swoops in with an

1046
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: older guy who's already had success. And yet I bet

1047
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: huge percentages of voters have no idea that that is in.

1048
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's background is a prominent reason why she rose

1049
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: to power.

1050
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 9: That's right, Clay, and that's why I wrote the book,

1051
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 9: you know. And there's not too many books written about

1052
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 9: the first term of a vice presidential candidate. But there's

1053
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 9: a very real possibility that Kamala Harris could be the

1054
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 9: forty seventh president of the United States if Joe Biden

1055
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 9: runs and wins in November. So it's important forever for

1056
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 9: voters to sort of look deeper than just the word

1057
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 9: salads and really understand who this woman is and how

1058
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 9: she got to where she is now. And then that

1059
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 9: way you can have those conversations about when you go

1060
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 9: to the voting box in November, who who are we

1061
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 9: voting for? We're voting for Joe Biden or were voting

1062
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 9: for Kamala Harris, someone who hasn't run a national campaign

1063
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 9: on her own successfully.

1064
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: To this point, Charlie the book Amateur Hours out Charlie

1065
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: Spearing is the author. Before we let you go, one

1066
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: quick question for you is you're a Kamala expert now

1067
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: as a title that you carry around with you, sir,

1068
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: who is more likable Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton?

1069
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 9: That's really tough.

1070
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh indeed, yes, all right, Charlie. Well, if you want

1071
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: to keep everybody in suspense. Maybe they'll get a sense

1072
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: to it when they read the book. Amateur Hour, Charlie Spearing,

1073
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: the author, the Kamala Harrison, the White House. Go get

1074
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: the book, everybody. Charlie, thanks for being here with us.

1075
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1076
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 9: Man you, Matt, I would say Hillary Clinton is more

1077
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 9: popular because she's at least earned the loser's flag of sympathy.

1078
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: All right, I think we're gonna have to answer that question.

1079
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer it for you.

1080
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: Buck. I'm curious with your answer, Charlie, great work. Appreciate

1081
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: the book. Thank you. You know, Clay downstairs, I got

1082
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: something special that I can hook you up with, my

1083
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: friend because you know, we start to drag a little

1084
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: bit traveling and doing three hours of radio, and you know,

1085
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: I got a little special something for you courtesy of

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