1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court over the past. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: Week held oral arguments over Tennessee's ban on transgender medical 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: procedures for minors. Now, the Biden administration has joined the ACLU, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: who sued on behalf of parents of three transgender adolescents 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: and a Memphis doctor. They're challenging Tennessee's law and it's 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: made its way to the Supreme Court. Now we should 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: have a ruling expected by July of two thousand and 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: twenty five. But there are broader implications for what the 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Supreme Court decides, bathroom access, participation in school sports, a 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: lot of the conversations we've been having as a country 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: right now, So where is this heading, what does it mean, 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: and what arguments were made before the Supreme Court. We're 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: going to have someone on who's been following all of this, 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: who's going to give his legal expertise about the argument 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: that the Biden administration is making and where this might 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: be heading in front of the Supreme Court. We're going 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: to have Roger Severino on the show to break down 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: all of this for US Vice president at Heritage Foundation. 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: He's also a former director of HHS Office for Civil Rights. Also, 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: I didn't realize this, but He's also married to Carrie Severino, 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: the president of the Judicial Network. We've had her on 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: the show as well, so really brilliant couple. But that's 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: besides the point. That's an aside. But anyways, we're gonna 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: have Roger on the show. He's going to break all 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: this complicated legal matters down for us and everything you 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: need to know about what was argued in front of 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: First of all, what we were talking about, I didn't 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: realize we're married to Carrie, and I was saying, you 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: guys are like a brilliant legal duo. So I'd love 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: to hear your conversations. But I'm looking forward to you 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: bringing some of that brilliance to the show to talk 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: about what's being argued right now in front of the 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. So appreciate you taking the time to join 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: the show. 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: My pleasure, it's an honor. 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: So obviously, this center is around Tennessee's ban on transgender 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: medical procedures for miners. There's other states that I think 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: over two dozen states that have enacted similar bands. 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: So walk us through. 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: It was sort of big picture, you know, how did 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: this case make its way to the Supreme Court. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: It's a long, sad story and it's paved with a 45 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: lot of destroyed lives of miners. Gender ideology has been 46 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: on the march for you know, fifteen sixteen years in 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: earnest and a lot of people. It really the two 48 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: things people didn't believe it was happening. The idea that 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: people were born in the wrong body seems so outlandish 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: that people didn't believe it was a thing, but oh 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: yes it was, and it was pushed through bathroom mandates 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: and then pronoun mandates. And they always focus the LGBT 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: left on kids, seeing that these gender confused kids and 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: all we're doing is quote unquote affirming them so that 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: they'll feel better about themselves. And the worst part about 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: it is then they added, and if you don't do 57 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: this quote affirming model, they will commit suicide. They will 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: commit suicide. And that lie was at the oral arguments, 59 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and Tennessee and other states have moved and said, you 60 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: know what, that's not true. Kids' lives are not at risk. 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: And what you're doing by pushing this is putting kids 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: on a one way conveyor belt. You put them on 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: puberty blockers, you put them on hormones, and you put 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: them on a one way track to quote unquote transitioning 65 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: where they will reject their bodies and ingrain it. And 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: none of those treatments actually reduce suicide. What it does 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: do is lead to higher rates of depression, increase suicidality 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: according to the label of some of these drugs, and 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: it leads to sterilization, and in some cases they actually 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: remove the reproductive organs, hysterectomies, penectomies, mastectomies. This is what 71 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: they're doing on kids over sixteen thousand. So it went 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: from this can't be possibly happening to what's happening everywhere, 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: and doctors are making millions off of this, and the 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: State of Tennessee and other states have said, this is insanity. 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: We cannot be doing this to our children. We have 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: to put a stop to this when the evidence is 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: not there that it does any good and that it's 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: actually causing these permanent harms. State of Tennessee acted. Then 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: you have LGBT activists and the Biden administration fighting back 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: and saying, oh no, there is a constitutional right for 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: these kids to be put on these puberty blockers and 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: cross sex hormones. And the state should not have the 83 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: ability to protect kids. I'm hopeful given the tenor earlier 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: argument I was there in the court, you're going to 85 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: have a strong majorities of restoring common sense on this 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and allowing states to protect children. 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: You know, we've had people like Chloe Cole on the show. 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: I think it was toob Or thirteen when she started transitioning, 89 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: fifteen when she got a double mesectomy, and then she 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: regretted it by seventeen years old. So to your point, 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: we're allowing these children to make life altering decisions and 92 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: a lot of the parents are bullied into thinking, oh, 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: you know, your kid's going to commit suicide if you 94 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: don't go along with it. I think some parents are 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: bad act in this, and I think some are you know, 96 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: just think that they're convinced and bullied into thinking that 97 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: they're doing the best for their child. So basically so 98 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: the Tennessee law, it's this case has been pursued by 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: the ACLU and also with the Biden administration. They're suing 100 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: on behalf of parents of three transgender adolescents and a 101 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: Memphis doctor. The Biden administration is essentially arguing that this 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: ban on transgender medical procedures for minors violates the equal 103 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: protection clause of the fourteenth Amendment. What do you make 104 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: of that argument. 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's outlandish that they want to constitutionalize 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: the practice of medicine that protects kids. Kids can't get 107 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: tattoos in some states, kids cannot buy alcohol until they're 108 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, can't buy cigarettes. Yet here they're trying to 109 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: say there's a constitutional right to cut off your reproductive organs. Literally, 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: that is literally what the implications of this case are. 111 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: And the argument they're saying is that this is somehow 112 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: sex discrimination because there are legitimate treatments for what's called 113 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: precocious puberty. If a child enters puberty really early, say 114 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: eight or nine, then that might cause some long term 115 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: harms because their bodies will not be able to take 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: that change. Something's off, something's wrong. We know what normal 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: puberty looks like, So you could have some puberty blockers 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: so that they get on the proper age track. On 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: the other side, you could have some people with real 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: severe deficiencies in testosterone or esrogen, which would impact their puberty. 121 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: That's just the practice of medicine. So the LGBT left 122 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: and the Biden administration said, well, if you could use 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for a boy that 124 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: wants to develop into a boy naturally and normally, then 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: you have to provide those same those same testosterone to 126 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: a girl that wants to develop into a girl A boy, 127 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, a girl that wants to develop into a boy, 128 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: and that is therefore sex discrimination if you don't provide 129 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: a girl and a boy the same amount of testosterone, 130 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: or even more so they could look like boys. Nowhere 131 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: in the Constitution is to say anything of the sort 132 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: that that's how you should interpret sex discrimination. What's interesting is, 133 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: I'll call it the dog that didn't bark. Justice Gorsuch. 134 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: He was the author of the boss Talk decision that 135 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of opened the door to some of these arguments 136 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: in a different context, which is Title nine sex discrimination 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: in schools, sorry, Title seven in employment. He was silent, 138 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: the entire argument silent, so that I think I was 139 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: very telling that he's keeping his powder dry because I 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: think hard to interpret. I think he doesn't want his 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: own decision to be used to constitutionalize this new theory 142 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: that sex discrimination is equivalent to gender identity. And if 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: you get something to one sex, biology doesn't matter. You 144 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: got to give it to both in the name of 145 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: this gender ideology. So that's one of the big lurking questions. 146 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: If there arguing under sex discrimination, we're sort of like 147 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: redefining sex then, right, because that was sort of redefining 148 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: what a biological man and a woman would be. 149 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Is that right? Or am I reading that correctly? Well, 150 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: they want to have it both ways. Yeah, So Justice 151 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Solito asked an incredible question, said, well, you're looking for 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: protected status correct, yes, Okay, Usually it's based on immutable characteristics, sex, race, 153 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: national origin. You can't change those things. And he asked Strangio, 154 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: the ACOU lawyer, well what about this whole gender fluid thing? 155 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: Can you be male at some point, then female and 156 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: then back to male And the ACOU attorney had to 157 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: say yes, And then leader said, well that means it's 158 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: not immutable, correct, And we don't give protected status generally 159 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: to a mutable characteristics. So it's own ideology. It's eating itself. 160 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: I wish somebody had asked the question what is a woman? 161 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: Because they were thrown around these terms. You had the 162 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Solicitor General pre Lgar saying well, there's birth, sex, and 163 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: then there's sex assigned that birth. And if you're discriminating 164 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: on a basis of sex because males get one and 165 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: females another, well, hold on a second here, what are 166 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: you talking about? What do you mean sex? What do 167 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: you mean a woman? Because under gender ideology, biology doesn't matter. 168 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Sex is entirely in somebody's head and it can't be falsified. 169 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: It's purely subjective. So you have this really curious thing 170 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: where they are arguing in one breath, okay, and they 171 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: say that I'm using the pronouns a use he was 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: denied male hormones because he had a female birth sex. Okay, 173 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: If it's he being denied hormones that are available to 174 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: other keys, how is that sex discrimination? Right? Like the 175 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: mind just re to think you need to have different 176 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: treatment between males and females. But when they're saying he 177 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: was denied something that other he's got, that's not sex discrimination. 178 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: So you run into all these contradictions whenever you go 179 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: down the gender ideology rabbit hole. And I was exposed 180 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: by the court by some really tough questioning. 181 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 2: We've got more with Roger, But first, the Christmas in 182 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: Hankkah season is a time of hope and peace for 183 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: many of us, but for those in Israel facing the 184 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: ongoing war, it is a time of fear and uncertainty. 185 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: The hardships are felt by everyone, with many people struggling 186 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: to afford food and basic necessities during this holiday season. 187 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: Many living through the war in the Holy Land are 188 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: grieving the loss of loved ones while also enduring isolation 189 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: and hunger. 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Go to support IFCJ dot 198 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: org to donate now that support IFDJ dot org or 199 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: call to give an eight eight eight or eight eight IFCJ. 200 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: That's eight eight eight or eight eight or three two five. 201 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: If sex is fluid and it's meaningless, then that would 202 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: sort of like negate and render any law protecting like 203 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: discrimination discrimination against certain sexes, and you know, gender issues 204 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: would be like completely irrelevant, right, Like what would be 205 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: the point of any event? 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you saw this with the questions about sports 207 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: from Justice Kavanaugh, who actually teaches girls basketball, he asked 208 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: multiple times, and just as Barrett followed up, Okay, what 209 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: are the implications with girls and women's sports under gender ideology? 210 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: They will say a quote trans girl is a girl. 211 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: That means a boy who identifies as a girl is 212 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: a girl, which means they have to be accepted into 213 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: all female spaces, including sports, overnight accommodations, showers, and locker rooms. 214 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: If there is no biological relevance, then you're a girl 215 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and you get to go to all the girl spaces 216 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: regardless of your reproductive organs. Now that has serious implications 217 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: for girls privacy. Again, of course, safety and sports and 218 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: fairness in sports. Both the ACLU and the Solicitor General 219 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: kind of threw the LGBT left under the bus on 220 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: this one. They said, oh, no, if you decide on 221 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: this case, you have plenty of good arguments to say 222 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: that there are people being hurt if we allow boys 223 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: that identify as girls in girl sports. I was a 224 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: little surprised they went that far, and I think they 225 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: realized that the tides have changed dramatically. What people thought 226 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: was unthinkable and ridiculous is now upon us, and boys 227 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: are taking girl spots in the podiums and getting the 228 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: replaced metals. We see it with our own eyes in college. 229 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: Hulking men are the ones that are winning and defeating girls, 230 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: and they're the ones breaking the records and shattering them 231 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: and who's losing the women. So I think you're seeing 232 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: that the tide has turned a bit that even the 233 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: ACLU and the Biden folks said, yeah, you know, maybe 234 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: we don't want to push it that far now. Now 235 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe them. When it gets before the court, 236 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: they will push it that far. But at least now 237 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: they didn't want to push it because they're afraid of 238 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: the implications for this case. 239 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: Now, we heard a lot about the dangers of these 240 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: surgeries and the oil arguments. I mean a lot of 241 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: these surgery surgeries are not without complications. It's sort of 242 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: like the Wild West as they sort of like develop 243 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: some of these surgeries. So like, has that been a 244 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: point of conversation, Oh? 245 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely, out of the gate, Justice Slido asked about the 246 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: cast report. Now, this came out of England, a few 247 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: months ago. Europe was the pioneer of these sorts of 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: cross sex interventions, the surgery as a hormones et cetera, 249 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: and then the United States, as has often happened, just 250 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: went nuts with it and just took it to the extreme. Meanwhile, 251 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: they were studying the actual effects and they realized that 252 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: there was no evidence that they actually reduced suicides, and 253 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Alito asked this of Strangio, and Strangio responded and admitted, yes, 254 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: it does not actually reduce suicides. So their number one 255 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: talking point that they've pushed on the American people on parents, 256 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: you either have a live boy or a dead girl. 257 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: That's the emotional blackmail they've been pushing on people, to 258 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: the point where parents have lost custody of their children 259 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: in California in particular, custody of their children because they 260 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: didn't go down this route, and in some cases those 261 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: kids did commit suicide. Look at the case of Abby 262 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Martinez and her daughter Yale Martinez, who committed suicide after 263 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: she lost a custody of her child and they put 264 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: her down the whole trends sex surgery, I'm sorry, a 265 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: drug route with the testosterone and ended up taking her life. 266 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: That's where this thing could lead. There is no evidence 267 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: that backs up that this is better for mental health 268 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: when you do these interventions. When we know, we know 269 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: that if you let nature take its course, over ninety 270 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: percent of the time kids grow out of it. They 271 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: accept their bodies. Remember, there used to be a thing 272 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: called tomboys, right, That was a common cultural understanding that, Okay, 273 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of girls that do things that are 274 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: associated with boys, or might be more sporty or not 275 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: want to wear skirts. They were just called tomboys, perfectly accepted. 276 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: And only very recently has this ideology come and said, wait, wait, wait, no, 277 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: we think you're actually a boy. You should actually start 278 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: identifying as a boy, and we'll put you on drugs 279 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: so you can become a boy more fully. And that 280 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: ideology has spread like wildfire. When we know that if 281 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: you just let me takes the course, people accept their 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: bodies overwhelmingly. No drugs are needed, no sterilization, no lifetime 283 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: of being a patient. And these interventions are iatrogenic, meaning 284 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: they lock people in. Right, if you get a young 285 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: kid testosterone, they'll start feeling more confident, more aggressive, and 286 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more better about themselves. But think about 287 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the long term implications. You want to tell a twelve 288 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: year old girl, Hey, by the way, you will never 289 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: have a normal sexual experience in your entire life and 290 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: you will never be a mother. Are you okay with that, 291 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Susie twelve year old? Oh? Okay, good, let's do it. No, 292 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: that is horrendous medicine. And we're going to look back 293 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: on this era with shame. 294 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, to your point, when I was younger, 295 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: you know, when I was a kid and I was 296 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: in gym class, they made me play soccer with the 297 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: boys because they said I was too aggressive. Look at 298 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: me now, you know, But you know, I mean, this 299 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: sort of underscores just how important the Supreme Court is 300 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: and how well, you know, thankful we are to have 301 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: a more conservative court given the implications of the severity 302 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: of what is being presented right now in front of 303 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. 304 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the medicine is crucially important here right there's 305 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: a fundamental question we have to answer, first legally, what 306 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: is a woman? What is male or female? Because if 307 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: the Eco Protection Clause protects against discrimination by sex, we 308 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: have to know what that is, which means we have 309 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: to pin down the LGBT left on their definition. They 310 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: cannot have it both ways. They cannot say that a 311 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: person who identifies as a woman is a woman, yet 312 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: there's this thing called sex discrimination that is related to biology. 313 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: You cannot have it both ways. That they do want 314 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: to have it both ways. They want to say it's 315 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: a mental condition that is required to have coverage by 316 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: insurers and doctors must be required to perform these Yet 317 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: it's not a mental condition, So you can't treat it 318 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: as such because that would be bigoted and discriminatory. Right again, 319 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: you cannot have it both ways. And where the law 320 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: comes in is states have the ability to protect children. 321 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: They do it all the time. Let's take testosterone itself. 322 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: What Solicitor General Prelagar said was essentially that people are 323 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: like Plato. Human beings are these things that are assigned 324 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: a sex at birth, almost coincidentally. And if you add 325 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: testosterone to this thing called a human being, it will 326 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: become a male. If you add estrogen to this thing 327 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: called a human being, it will become female. And that's 328 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: the way she was speaking about these concepts, absolutely ignoring 329 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: that there are radical differences in the baseline. If you 330 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: are a female genetically you're going to be a female 331 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: biologically and vice versa. And if you add testosterone one, 332 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: it's radically different than the other, which is why if 333 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: you have a even a mild deficiency in testopa thrown, 334 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: you're likely not going to get a prescription for it 335 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: as a kid because of the side effects. You certainly 336 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: won't get it. If you want to look more masculine, 337 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: to bulk up, that's called steroid abuse, and that's illegal. 338 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: It's a controlled substance. It's a category Schedule three drug. 339 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: But if you are a girl who wants to bulk 340 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: up and gain five pounds of muscle mass, oh, you 341 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: have a constitutional right to it. No, that's what the 342 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: LGBT left is saying that, but not taking into account 343 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: that these drugs have serious side effects, greater side effects 344 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: in the opposite sex than your own in fact, and 345 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: the state has absolutely right to say you cannot do 346 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: these things. That is not proper medical treatment. They banned lobotomies, 347 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: the many states have banned shock therapy treatments, They banned eugenics, 348 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: all of these things because there were there were these 349 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: contagions of ideology replacing science, and we're going through that 350 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: right now. 351 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: What's also just a anti God because they're denying God's creation. 352 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: But you know, I know that's not what's being argued 353 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: in front of the court. You've got more on all 354 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 2: of this, but first, Americans are tired and frustrated by 355 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: a stalling economy, inflation, endless wars, and the relentless assault 356 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 2: on our values. 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Go to Patriot Mobile dot com, 368 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: slash Lisa, or call nine seven to two Patriot right now. 369 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: Get a free months when you use the offer code Lisa, 370 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: don't get fooled by other providers pretending to share your 371 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: values or have the same coverage. They don't, and they 372 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: can't switch to America's only Christian conservative mobile provider, Hatred Mobile. 373 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: So I was reading that Justice Kintaji Brown Jackson was 374 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: trying to draw parallels in comparison between laws banning transgender 375 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: care for minors and laws banning and racial marriages. I guess, 376 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: what are what are some of the more I guess 377 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: ridiculous arguments you've heard argued in these arguments. 378 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: The most ridiculous was Justice Sodomire saying, well, aspirin has 379 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: side effects too, to try to downplay the severity of that, 380 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: and comparing it with sterilizing children. I mean, it was 381 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: so absurd that she would make that comparison. Now, it's 382 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: just like aspiring, you know a side effects too, and 383 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: so does testosterone, and it's realizes young girls who will 384 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: never have it. And she absolutely dismissed people who have transitioned, 385 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: These folks who lives have been ruined, who are put 386 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: on this one way conveyor belt and told that you're 387 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: going to commit suicide if you don't do this, And 388 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: now they cannot have kids, they can have normal sexual functioning. 389 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: They don't get insurance coverage to restore the mutilations that 390 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: have happened to their bodies. They can't date, They feel 391 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: socially isolated. Their suicide risk has gone up, by the way, 392 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: because of the depression that comes from not being able 393 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: to go back to your body. She absolutely dismissed it. 394 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like one percent, but what about all these 395 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: other kids? It was so sad, And of course Kaichanji 396 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson using the race analogy. You know, it has 397 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: a bit of surf. I'll give her some credit, right, 398 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: it has some surface appeal, But she was using it 399 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: more to try to say, well, this is equivalent to racism. 400 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: Transgender status is equivalent to race. No, it's not. It 401 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: is not a protected class. It doesn't it has not 402 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: been recognized as such. They went down the line of 403 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: she don't we just treat this as a quasi protected 404 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: class as a politically powerless group. The LGBT left is 405 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: not politically powerless. That is certainly not the case, and 406 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't normally fit the criteria to get protected class status. 407 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: But she really wanted to make that equation of race 408 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: that this is the new frontier of anti discrimination law. 409 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: But that's certainly not the case when it's the parents 410 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: being targeted and the kids are the ones that are 411 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: being hurt by this. 412 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: Well, regarding the comment regarding Asper and I mean I 413 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: just took etc. 414 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: Before the show. 415 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: That's a little different than chopping my bodybuards off, Like 416 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: a little bit slightly. 417 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: Different, you know. 418 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: So talk about the implications of this fight in this 419 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: case and what it means for other things moving forward, 420 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: whether it be you know, bathroom access or a participation 421 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: in sports, you. 422 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: Know, kind of you know, what. 423 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: Does this decision that is expected by July twenty twenty five, 424 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: what are the broader implications here? 425 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, the first big one is will there be elevation 426 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: of gender identity as a new protected class equivalent to 427 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: race as Katanji Brown Jackson would want it to be. 428 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: I think the answer to that question is going to 429 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: be no. I didn't count the vost watching during the 430 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: argument to see that there would be enough to go 431 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: down that route. Just as Barret said, well, isn't that 432 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: the better route than sex discrimination elevated protected class? But 433 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: I think that's just sort of exposed that this would 434 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: be one of the most unusual protected classes to be added. 435 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: We haven't added one in fifty years, and there wouldn't 436 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: be a telling reason to add one here. Second is, okay, 437 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: what is a woman? What is sex? Is the Supreme 438 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: Court going to give us some clarity on that or not? 439 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: I think they're not going to come down hard, I 440 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: don't think, but they will say by implication, by implication, 441 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: there is such a thing as male and female. And 442 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: one route they could go is say, well, things that 443 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: differentially impact males and female in medicine are not discrimination. 444 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: That's just the practice of medicine. If you don't take 445 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: biology into account, you'd be committing malpractice. In fact, so 446 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: if there's different treatment for men and women and how 447 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: they're administered testosterone or estrogen, then that's not discrimination because 448 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: men and women are different. The broader implications of this 449 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: will spill over into sports and pronouns, etc. So the 450 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: real tension is going to be, Okay, what do you 451 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: do with the boss Talk decision? The Boss Talk decision 452 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: did say transgender status gets protection in Title seven employment 453 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: for hiring and firing. Will that be limited, will that 454 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: be narrowed? Will that be acknowledged at all because here 455 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about the ecal Protection Clause and the Constitution. 456 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: So I am really interested to see Justice Gore Such's 457 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: view on this, if his decision in boss Tech has 458 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: any application in the eco protection context or not, because 459 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: that's a big outlining question, because there's some tension there. 460 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to hope and believe that the 461 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: Supreme Court of all bodies is immune to public opinion, 462 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: but you know, they're human at the end of the day. 463 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: Does this past election give them some cover in the 464 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: sense of, you know, a lot of this stuff was 465 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: sort of rejected by you know, Americans. I mean, you 466 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: look at Donald Trump's ad that you know, Kamala Harris 467 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: is for the them, I'm for you, Or you know, 468 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: you look at in a lot of these states, or 469 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: a lot of these senate races in various states, men 470 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: and women's sports played out and was rejected, or you know, 471 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: you look at the fact that the vast majority of 472 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: Americans do not believe that men should be in women's sports. 473 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: That you know that there is a growing number of 474 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: Americans who are sort of more broadly and more boldly 475 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: stating that they don't agree with this, that they're not 476 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: on board. Does that give some of these Supreme Court justices, 477 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: I guess a little bit more cover or you know, 478 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: I know it shouldn't, but you know they're human. 479 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: You're right, it shouldn't. It should not matter one way legally. 480 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: What does matter is that these cultural shifts have exposed 481 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: the truth about the science that this does not help kids. 482 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: It hurt kids. It hurts kids, It does not decrease suicides, 483 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: and in fact, there's evidence that it increases suicides because 484 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: you'd lock people in to a position where they do 485 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: not accept and actually reject their own bodies, because it's 486 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: a terrible position to be in. Whereas your body develops, 487 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: you start saying I don't want this body, okay, and 488 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: you have a lot of sympathy for that. The solution, 489 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: as the science has now proven, is not the problem 490 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: is with the body, and you cut healthy organs off 491 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: like we don't do that with any other mental condition. 492 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: You don't say, if somebody has anorexia who thinks they 493 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: are overweight when they're actually not, you don't put them 494 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: on diet pills. You don't recommend a liposuction for a 495 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: kid that says I see myself as being overweight, yet 496 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: identify thins there's something wrong with my body. That's not 497 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: what you do. There is therapy, there's treatments. You deal 498 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: with anxiety, you deal with depression. This is the only 499 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: one where they say, no, the body's wrong. A perfectly 500 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: healthy body is somehow diseased. The notion that you were 501 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: born in the wrong body is fundamentally what's behind all 502 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: of this ideology, and that is an absolutely unscientific concept. 503 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: So as the culture has shifted on that, right, and 504 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: it's very common sense. The culture has shifted on that. 505 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: You're seeing it reflected in the laws where the state 506 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: after state you got over but over half the cut. 507 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: I believe now have these protections for children. And Europe 508 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: has moved back and you see, you know the bud 509 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: light moment where people saying, this is way too far 510 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: and you're hurting our kids, you're going after our kids, 511 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: And that is what has woken up people finally to 512 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: this problem. 513 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, of all things, you know, 514 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: we need to protect children from the mutilation maiming of 515 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: their bodies. You even think that would be sort of baseline, 516 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: But yet we're here, you know, Roger, is there anything 517 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: else you'd like to leave us with before we go. 518 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: I think the next battle is going to be on 519 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: pronouns and sports. I think it's it's going to look 520 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: really good on the sports side of things. I think 521 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: the American people see the injustice of mediocre boys and 522 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: men suddenly being gold medal winners and shattering the records 523 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: for girls. It's depriving girls of their accomplishments. I asked 524 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: this to your next LGBT or woke friend, why do 525 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: we have girls sports at all? Why they don't have 526 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: to stop and think about it for a second. It's 527 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: ultimately rooted in bio biological differences. If they don't go there, 528 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: then I don't know what the answer is. And then 529 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: on pronouns, right, because a lot of folks remember Twitter 530 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: ban people for quote misgendering, right, And now we're in 531 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: a position where you could speak freely on Twitter on 532 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: those things. But it's that level where you coerce people 533 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: to say something against their conscience. Is that highest level 534 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: of coercion. And that's going to be another big fight 535 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: over these things. Can people disagree and not get fired 536 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: for it, or be denied a government contract, et cetera, 537 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: or not get promoted. I mean, these are the next 538 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: frontier on these questions that will probably be litigated at 539 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Roger really smart stuff. 540 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: I've learned a lot from the conversation and always appreciate 541 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: the work that they are foundation does. So we really 542 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: appreciate you making the time for us today. 543 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Appreciate you it was Roger Severino. 544 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: Appreciate him for taking the time and breaking down this complicated, 545 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: well should be complicated, but legal matter, so appreciate him 546 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: for making the time. I appreciate you guys at home 547 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: for listing every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen 548 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: throughout the week. I ont to thank John Cassio and 549 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: my producer for putting the show together. 550 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: Until next time.