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Speaker 1: on such a Winner's Day audition. As we begin to

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Speaker 1: coming up, my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to

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Speaker 1: to make a movie about this remarkable Bengals season. Who

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Speaker 1: Moments after Evan McPherson's game winning field goal last week

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Speaker 1: that sent the Bengals to the Super Bowl, the text

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Speaker 1: to my guests, beginning with Dave lappam Lap. It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We've had a few days to think about it. Does

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Speaker 1: starting to get that way. It really is. Uh when

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Speaker 1: That's that's getting it done. There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to diminish, you know, the

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Speaker 1: eighty eight eighty nine, the eighty one team. You know,

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Speaker 1: We all are. But I have found one thing mildly

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Speaker 1: blew it. It's been more of what went wrong with myhomes.

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Speaker 1: you know what in this situation, he really doesn't like this,

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Speaker 1: and that don't do this because he'll rip it up.

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Speaker 1: He likes that kind of a look, he likes that

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Speaker 1: kind of a matchup. I'm not saying you don't see

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Speaker 1: it on tape, but I'm saying that you can embellish

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Speaker 1: it and even a deeper dive into all that stuff

432
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: because you have first end experience for those guys, and

433
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: any little bit of intel that you think you're going

434
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: to be able to gather it is going to help

435
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Speaker 1: you in the super Bowl. Even if it's psychosomatic you think,

436
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, man, that's an edge that's going to help us. Ultimately,

437
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: it can help you because psychologically, yeah, man, we're better

438
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: prepared than they are. We know more than they know.

439
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: Anything like that that you can get an edge you're

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Speaker 1: looking for in the Super Bowl. So I've learned a

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Speaker 1: valuable lesson in the last several days. Whenever an athlete

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Speaker 1: has asked how does something feel, some great moment in

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Speaker 1: a game, some personal accomplishment, and they don't necessarily have

444
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Speaker 1: a great answer. I am now sympathetic because for all

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Speaker 1: the people who have asked me how this feels, I'm

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Speaker 1: having a hard time articulating just how incredibly special this is.

447
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Speaker 1: To have a chance to broadcast a Super Bowl. You've

448
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Speaker 1: done it before, more importantly, you played in one. It's

449
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Speaker 1: such a thrill. I'm really struggling to put it into

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Speaker 1: the proper context. You know, the feeling that you have

451
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Speaker 1: when you win an AFC championship game as a player

452
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Speaker 1: is indescribable. I mean it's like it's like no other feeling. Professionally,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, marriage, birth to children, all that

454
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: is huge in your in your life life experiences. But

455
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Speaker 1: what if you're in a profession. Getting to the top

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Speaker 1: of the mountain is like indescribable, or as close to

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Speaker 1: the top of the mountain, and going to the Super

458
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Speaker 1: Bowl is getting close, and then you have to just

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Speaker 1: take that one final grab and you can't quite clutch

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Speaker 1: it at the top and that I will say, I

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Speaker 1: just hope, like hell, they win this football game, because

462
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Speaker 1: I can honestly say the highest I've ever felt in

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Speaker 1: my life, the most adrenaline rush, the biggest adrenaline rush

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Speaker 1: I've ever gotten in my life, is that morning of

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and I thought, oh, it's too early,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to go back to bed. I

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Speaker 1: got such a big adrenaline surgeon in the locker room

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Speaker 1: before the game and I thought, oh my gosh, man,

469
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Speaker 1: I'm spent. Well, no Eric comes again and again it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's just unbelievable. And then afterwards, when

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Speaker 1: you don't win it, you talk about a crash, a depression.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, it's like it's the worst feeling

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Speaker 1: in the world. So I hope those guys don't have

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Speaker 1: to experience it, because experience it as a player. And

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Speaker 1: then in the broadcast booth, it's certainly not that kind

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Speaker 1: of high and low. But the excitement you feel is

477
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Speaker 1: pretty impressed and pretty incredible, and you're thinking, got here,

478
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Speaker 1: might as well finish it, you know, might as well,

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Speaker 1: might as well be the world champion. How about that?

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Speaker 1: How about it? This football team that was two and

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Speaker 1: fourteen two years ago and six twenty five and one

482
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Speaker 1: over the last two years ends up the following year

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Speaker 1: as world champion, the best in the world, Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: fifty six champion. Watch that would be. There's gonna be

485
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Speaker 1: books movie. There's gonna be rights all over the place

486
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Speaker 1: about this one boy. I mean, Hollywood can't script this

487
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Speaker 1: bad boy who plays Dave Lapham in the movie. Harrison

488
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Speaker 1: Ford who plays Dan Horde, some ball guy, some bad loser.

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Speaker 1: Won't be Bruce Willis will be an ugly bald guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, at least we'll buy tickets. Yeah, yeah, I'd

491
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Speaker 1: like to go see it. It would be great. You

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Speaker 1: have a good suggestion for who should play me in

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Speaker 1: the Bengals movie, you can tweet it to me at

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Speaker 1: dan Underscore Horde. Unless the dude is hideous, then just

495
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Speaker 1: keep it to yourself. The Bengals Booth podcast is presented

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Speaker 1: by Ultimate Bengals, the free to play fantasy football game.

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Speaker 1: This year, Ultimate Bengals awarded a weekly winner during the

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Speaker 1: it's the first quarterback to take the Bengals to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl nineteen eighty one, MVP Ken Anderson. He joined

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Speaker 1: Lapping Me on the Bengals Game Plan Show, and I

504
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: started the conversation by asking what this Super Bowl appearance

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00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: means to them forty years after they played in Super

506
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Speaker 1: Bowl sixteen. Well, you know, to me, I think that

507
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Speaker 1: sense of pride as a former player, you know, and Dave,

508
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: you know you were there with me in the seventies

509
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: and eighties when we were as good as any team

510
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Speaker 1: in the National Football You know, we only got to

511
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: one Super Bowl, and we happen to have a juggernaut

512
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: in our division, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Raiders were tough,

513
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins were going undefeated. We had a lot of

514
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Speaker 1: good football teams in the AFC in that era. And

515
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Speaker 1: then you know, you kind of get to the nineties,

516
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Speaker 1: we go down and you know, all of a sudden,

517
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, you listen, it's the Bungals and then the

518
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: national media just toast us all the time. They can't

519
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: do anything, they can't their ownership is chief, They got

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00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: no facilities, you know, and all of a sudden, here

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Speaker 1: we are. And it's that sense of pride that I

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Speaker 1: feel in the team that back to the you know,

523
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Speaker 1: the lofty status that we ought to have because we

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Speaker 1: you know, we had a great football tradition in Cincinnati,

525
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a winning football tradition, and now to see that coming

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Speaker 1: back really makes me feel good right right honestly to

527
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Speaker 1: h you know, the guy, the guy who's taken the

528
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: biggest beating is Mike Brown, There's no doubt about it.

529
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Speaker 1: And for an eighty six year old guy to experience

530
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Speaker 1: what Mike Brown's experiencing this year and uh and and

531
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Speaker 1: have a chance to take another bite of the apple

532
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Speaker 1: and maybe finish the apple. In terms of winning the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, that would be incredible too too. I can

534
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Speaker 1: only imagine, you know, what he's feeling and thinking and

535
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's just we were talking about it off

536
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Speaker 1: here before we actually on the podcast we were doing

537
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Speaker 1: before we came on the air. Here. From a professional standpoint,

538
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: it's it's like the biggest thing that could ever happen

539
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: to you, going to Super Bowl and winning a super Bowl. Now,

540
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, marriage, kids, all that in your overall life

541
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Speaker 1: are big moments. But this, this kind of moment is

542
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Speaker 1: you know something that I mean, there are guys like

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Speaker 1: we talked about Tequillo Spikes fifteen years in the league,

544
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Speaker 1: five different teams, never went to a playoff game, great player, Yeah,

545
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Dick Barkas, Merland Olson fifteen years, fourteen Pro bowls, never

546
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Speaker 1: won a championship, never went to a Super Bowl, never

547
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: won an NFL championship. I mean, you can't, you can't

548
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Speaker 1: take this stuff for granted. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves an underdog. I think people around the country

550
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Speaker 1: are falling in love with this team. Joe Burrow is

551
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Speaker 1: so likable. I think most of America is going to

552
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Speaker 1: be rooting for Cincinnati in this particular Super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of Joe, is there a company in the United

554
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Speaker 1: States right now that's not getting in touch with his agents?

555
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Speaker 1: So can we line this guy up to be one

556
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Speaker 1: of our spoke people? Because everything he does he does well.

557
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Obviously his play, but just the way he carries himself

558
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: and everything. If he wants some of that stuff, boy,

559
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be at his fingertips. And that's different than

560
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Speaker 1: and I guarantee that's the farthest thing from Joe's miya

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Speaker 1: right now, that's the stuff for the offseason. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this guy's focus, his preparation. You know, it was interesting

563
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Speaker 1: hearing some of us thought, were you're nervous before the game? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the night before I was a little anxious,

565
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Speaker 1: but that's when I'm kind of going over all the

566
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Speaker 1: scenarios that could happen, you know, his mental preparation. He said, Hey,

567
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Speaker 1: once I get to the stadium, I'm fine, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I think that attitude really translate to the other

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Speaker 1: guys on the team, where you know, we're they're loose.

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Speaker 1: And I really credit Zach in the preparation for the

571
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Speaker 1: team when the playoffs started, he said, you know, all,

572
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Speaker 1: we gotta turn our preparation up a notch. He said,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to do that. You know, our preparation

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00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: has been up a notch all year long, right the

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Speaker 1: way that these guys work at practice, So that that's

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: a you know, a really a compliment that the Zak

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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff. You know that the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: in this situation as well. You know, there's a big similarity.

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Speaker 1: H And I don't know Joe Burrow obviously, like like,

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Speaker 1: I know you, but you guys, you guys are both

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Speaker 1: highly intelligent, I mean overall base intelligence plus football IQ.

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Speaker 1: And I know how much you put into absorbing every

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Speaker 1: bit of information you could and retaining it and be

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Speaker 1: able to bring it back out when necessary, solving a

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Speaker 1: problem defense was trying to make and give you an

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Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. And he's like that, I mean,

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: he's he can retain a bunch and apply it perfectly

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: when necessary and all that sort of thing. And that

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Speaker 1: gives the whole team confidence when you have a guy

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Speaker 1: doing that kind of thing. Imagine how good I could

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Speaker 1: have been if I had an iPad to look at

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Speaker 1: everything I needed to look at it, and instead of

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Speaker 1: taking the Kansas sixteen millimeter film home with my projector

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Speaker 1: at home and showed it on the wall to got

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Speaker 1: to get ready for a game. Yep, I hear you,

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Speaker 1: I hear you. It's the thing I appreciate about this

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Speaker 1: guy being our guests for this game. The great Ken

598
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: Anderson played in the Super Bowl, broadcasting super Bowl, coached

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Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl, got a Super Bowl ring with

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh steel Is coaching Ben Roethlisberger. Stow. This guy

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Speaker 1: has been to the Super Bowl in a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different roles, you know, And so how how different I

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Speaker 1: guess the broadcasting parts in different world. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: not like playing a coach. So playing and coaching, how

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Speaker 1: different was it from a process standpoint for you? Getting

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Speaker 1: ready for Super Bowl? Well, you know it's coaching was

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00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: always a little bit more difficult for me than playing,

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Speaker 1: because you try to get your guys ready, but when

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Speaker 1: the game comes, you've got nothing that you can do

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Speaker 1: about it but out of your control, you know. But

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, going through that, you know with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers that you know, we had our media day

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday and then they left us alone for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the week when we were down in Tampa

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Speaker 1: getting ready for this game. You know, all right, every

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Speaker 1: day at lunch, all right, you got interviews you gotta do.

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Speaker 1: Here's more media stuff, and you try to go back

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Speaker 1: in practice, you know. So it's just there was so

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Speaker 1: much more to take up the player's time in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you know, nowadays than there was when we

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Speaker 1: played Dave And so, speaking of Super Bowl quarterbacks, Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady efficiently announced his retirement this week. Seven super Bowl

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Speaker 1: rings for the coach, which is just absolutely incredible. It's nuts.

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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, Tom Brady does a podcast. It's called

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Speaker 1: Let's Go. He does it with Jim Gray and with

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, and this week he had Joe Burrow on

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Speaker 1: as his guest. I highly recommend listening to the whole

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Speaker 1: thing again. It's the Let's Go podcast with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna play a little snippet of it tonight. Here's

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady when asked for his opinion of Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: and then Joe Burrow's reaction. I think Joe's got some

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Speaker 1: tools that I didn't quite have when I was his age.

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Speaker 1: So super impressed by how he's kind of coming to

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Speaker 1: the league and went to Cincinnati, which has been a

635
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: tough place to play over the years, and you know,

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Speaker 1: two years into his career after a really tough injury

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Speaker 1: last year, show a lot of mental and physical toughness

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Speaker 1: coming back and have an incredible season. So, you know,

639
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: I always love watching quarterbacks, and certainly young quarterbacks, because

640
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, there's certain ways to play

641
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: the game, and to play the game at a high

642
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: level requires a huge commitment, and I think Joe, even

643
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: from when I saw him at LS, you know, he

644
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: makes that commitment. So it's a it's really a great

645
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: thing for me to see as as you know, somebody

646
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: who's played this game for a long time, so really

647
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: happy for Joe and his team. Joe, when you hear

648
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: those words from Tom, your reaction is, well, I don't know.

649
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can be in the conversation

650
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: with this guy yet, but you know, I'm gonna work

651
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: really hard to try and I think we're up to

652
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: a great start. I'm excited about, you know, the opportunity

653
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: that we have. We worked really really hard to to

654
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: get here. You know, we had a great offseason, our

655
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: front office did a great job of bringing in guys

656
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: that not only what we needed on the field, but

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: off the field as well in the locker room. And

658
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's just been a warwind couple of weeks. Certainly,

659
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: not going to compare Joe Burrow's accomplishments to Tom Brady,

660
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: We're a long way from that. But do you see

661
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: qualities in Joe Burrow that make you think of Tom Brady? Yeah,

662
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, I think you know, it's

663
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: well documented watching Brady run his forty time and I

664
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: would say, you know, take nothing away from Joe, but

665
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: he's probably not the most athletic quarterback in the NFL.

666
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the strongest arm about anybody in the end.

667
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: But I think what really is similar to him and

668
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Brady is what's between their ears. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: all the years looking at quarterbacks, you know, coaching quarterbacks,

670
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: scouting quarterbacks, the toughest thing to figure out is what's

671
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: between their ears, you know, and what's in their heart,

672
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: their their love of the game, what they're willing to

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00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: do to be successful. So I think, you know, that's

674
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: the similarity I see between you know, Tom Brady and

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00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. You know, it's funny you mentioned the love

676
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: of the game, and I asked, asked Zach last week,

677
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: what was what was the non negotiable characteristic when you

678
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: guys were addressing rebuilding the football team in free agency

679
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: and or the draft. What was that one characteristic that

680
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: players had to have? And he said, they gotta love

681
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: the game, because we both have had teammates that were

682
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: unbelievable talents, but they didn't really care about football. You know,

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: It's like, Ah, the Lord Bustman with all this talent,

684
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: but I don't really care that much about football. And

685
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: then if you have both, if you've got guy that

686
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: has you know, great talent and then has the desire

687
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: to be the best you know, and really loves the

688
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: game of football, then you have something special, right. I mean,

689
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, you know. No, I mean

690
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: it goes back to the Ring of Honor game and

691
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: no one he's gonna get blitzed against Baltimore and a

692
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: critical place to go out and get a field goal

693
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: to win the game, and well they're in a formation,

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00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna want to go to the wide receiver screen.

695
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: But as who's I'm out there? Would call it anyway,

696
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: and he does it. And then to hear Zach or

697
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: other people talk about on Fridays, they'll take the receivers,

698
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: line them up in different formations and switch them around.

699
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Called the concept that they're doing. So everybody has a

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00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: feel for what they do if they do go to

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00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: an audible and you know that. Going all the way

702
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: back to Paul Brown, I remember when learning learning the offense,

703
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Paul Brown was like, all right, well, we're gonna you

704
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: have to Tiger would give us test. You guys always

705
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: had tests as well. But he said, I'm gonna I'm

706
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna give you two grades. I'm gonna give you a

707
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: grade in the upper left hand corner on your assignments,

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00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: upper right hand corner on the whole team assignments. So

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00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: Paul Brown was like, want you to know the whole thing.

710
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be tunnel vision on. Okay,

711
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: well you're gonna block the defensive tackle and you don't

712
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: or if you pull. He wanted to know as a

713
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: center region tackle blocking down, you know, is the back

714
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: filling who's got their responsibility you just vacated and and

715
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: why he wanted He wanted you to understand the whole

716
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: big picture, right, And and that's that's key. That if

717
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: the whole team, if Joe Burrows the only guy like

718
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: you talk about Kenny, he makes that audible and CJ

719
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: looks at me like, huh, what are you talking about?

720
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: The whole team has to understand what the hell's going

721
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: on there? Well, No, And I think the other thing

722
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: that Joe does is hold guys accountable. If you're not

723
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: willing to put the time, the effort, work as hard

724
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: as I am, we don't want you here, you know.

725
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: So I think everybody's got that attitude that I will

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00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: take whatever time, work as hard as I have to

727
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: to make this thing go. And uh, and it's working.

728
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: And I think he's set such a good example that way.

729
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: He's the first guy in the last one to leave.

730
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: So other players are saying, jeez, my doing enough. Look

731
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: at Joe's doing. Look, look at all the time Joe's

732
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: putting into this, Look at the dedication Joe has to this.

733
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I better pick it up a notch or two.

734
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: And that just raises the whole boat, right, I mean,

735
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: that's the whole deal. That's what it's all about. You

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00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: guys both played in the Super Bowl Tom Brady played

737
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: in ten and one seven. Here is his Super Bowl

738
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: advice for Joe Burrow. When you get to the game,

739
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: you're going to realize it's just that it's exactly what

740
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: you've done all season long. The ball's gonna get kicked off,

741
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: and it's gonna feel like a football game. Getting to

742
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: that point, you'll feel quite a bit different than any game,

743
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: But you just realize that when you get to that moment,

744
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: it's a really exciting time for everyone. And I'm sure

745
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: it's really exciting for your family and your friends, and

746
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: it should be because it's we've all dreamed about getting

747
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: to that moment. So I just happy for you and

748
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: your team. You know, you guys have overcome a lot,

749
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: as it should be, and you've earned it. And you

750
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: know football is about earning every single day every week,

751
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: and you know when you get to the postseason, there's

752
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: no margin of error. And you guys went into a

753
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: really tough place to playing in Kansas City and got

754
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: the job done. And I know that's a great feelings,

755
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: probably one of the great feelings you'll ever feel. In

756
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: the locker room after a game. There's only one show,

757
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: and that's better as if you go take care of

758
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: the one two weeks from now. So what's it your

759
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: experience that once they kicked it off, it felt like

760
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: a normal game, but it had to be the kickoff,

761
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: you know. You try to tell yourself it's just another game.

762
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: And and we're in Pontiac and I'm standing out there

763
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: and gosh, you know, it's time for the national anthem.

764
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: And Diana Ross was singing the Nationalist. She didn't come

765
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: this may be a pretty bay, a little bit big

766
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: deal right here. No, but you know, you try to

767
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: get you get yourself to that point. Yeah, I remember

768
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: it kind of hit me with the offense. Was fortunate

769
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: enough to be introduced, you know. And I remember running

770
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: down the you know, the tunnel of people, and there's

771
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: the TV cameras right there at the lens, and I

772
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: remember thinking, there's a lot of people watching this thing.

773
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Hope I don't screw anything. I hope I play good.

774
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, all of a sudden, I think

775
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: the magnitude of it really does start tension. But like

776
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: you said, once the balls kicked off, once you take

777
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: that first hit, it's just like, man, it's just like

778
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: in high school, college whatever. I mean, it's football. Football's football.

779
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: But you know the thing obviously that bugs me and

780
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: I know it bugs Kenny. In the biggest game, we

781
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: uncharacteristically self destructive. We made too many mistakes you know,

782
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: that we weren't making during the course of the season,

783
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: and it uh it cost us, you know. We uh

784
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: we put ourselves on the schedule and the forty nine

785
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: ers were good football team. They didn't need to help,

786
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: and we gave him help. And that, to me, that

787
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: was the unfortunate thing. I'd like to, you know, be

788
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: able to play him again and uh and not make

789
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: those mistakes and see how it would turn out. You know.

790
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: Did it take you a while to watch that game? Yeah?

791
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, man, I got I was there, you know,

792
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: and I remember the disappointment of it that. You know.

793
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I was leaving the next morning to go to the

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00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and I went into the team doctor. I said,

795
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: they find something wrong with that. I don't want to

796
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: go And they said, oh why, Kenny says, you know,

797
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: you didn't get hurt in the game. They're gonna know

798
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: that the league is gonna send you to LA have

799
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: another doctor look at you. You're gonna have to go

800
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: over there. Anyway, But just it was just the disappointment

801
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: of it. Although I will say one of the things

802
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: that kind of helped me get through it, you know,

803
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: my son, Matt. I think I was the first guy

804
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: to carry to carry him off the field. And we

805
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: go in magic, we go into the locker room, and

806
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: and I'm really disappointed. He's sitting in the locker and

807
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, the coaches really didn't talk to him. And

808
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: finally I turned and I said, well, Matt, what'd you think?

809
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: He says, Dad, they had the best halftime show I've

810
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: ever seen. I guess it wasn't all that bad a day.

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00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Here's my experience. I get back to the uh the

812
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: hotel and uh tucking my son in sun Dave, you know,

813
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: and and UH like Matt, you know, he had an understanding.

814
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: He was old enough to know, Hey, geez, you guys

815
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: played well or you didn't, you know. So I'm tucking

816
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: him in and we're losing twenty to nothing at the

817
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: half of that football game because of the mistakes. So

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00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I, Dave, you know, and I and I

819
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: mean I barely was able to talk anyway, And I

820
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: looked at him like, hey, Dave, good night. Man, I'll

821
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: catch in the morning, Tuck Minnie goes Dad. I said, yes,

822
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: sir son, Why did you guys stink so bad? In

823
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: the first time? I wanted to take the pillow and

824
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: go fus and just it's like, oh my gosh, I'm

825
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: like Dave. I can't talk about it right now. I

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00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: probably won't be able to talk about it for a while.

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00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: But that's a darn good question, bage, no doubt what

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00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: it's worth. Ken Anderson played extremely well in Super Bowl sixteen,

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00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: completing seventy four percent of his passes for three hundred

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00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: yards with two touchdowns and a passer rating of ninety

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00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: five point two. He also ran for a TD another

832
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: reason why Ken Anderson should be in the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: our Know the Faux segment with Joe Ready from the

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00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Associated Press in Los Angeles. If the name sounds familiar,

839
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: Joe used to cover the Bengals for the Cincinnati Inquirer.

840
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: So before we got to the Rams. I asked for

841
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: his reaction to Cincinnati making it to the Super Bowl.

842
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surprised, Dan. I'm happy though, for the city,

843
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: happy for the organization, and I know a lot of

844
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: people throughout the years, you know, was happy that they

845
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: broke the long losing streak and then got the first

846
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: ro playoff win. And you know, the way they took

847
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: care of business in the second half against Kansas City

848
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: was kind of similar to that week seventeen games. So

849
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: you look at the turnaround that Zach did. And I

850
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: don't know if Lap agrees or not, but you know,

851
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: this team making a Super Bowl kind of mirrors d

852
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: eighty one and eighty eight Bengal Super Bowl teams and

853
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: nobody expected a lot and now here they are playing

854
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: in the Big Game. Only differences. They aren't playing the

855
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: forty nine ers this time. Yeah, that's right, Joe. Hey,

856
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: good to hear your voice. Yeah, it's interesting that the

857
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: big difference this team was the number four seed and

858
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: those eighty one and eighty eight teams were the number

859
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: one seed didn't have to go on the road, and

860
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: the Bengals had to go on the road twice and

861
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: they won both of them and the first road playoff

862
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: win in franchise history. Nobody would be able to tie

863
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: that accomplishment. So this this team is pretty interesting in

864
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: that regard. The thing that's the common denominator between the

865
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: Rams and the Bengals in the last eleven games, including

866
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they're both eight and three, and the Rams

867
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: are eight and one actually in their last nine. The

868
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Bengals don't have that kind of a record in their

869
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: last nine games with the regular season in postseason. But

870
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: both teams are playing their best football at the most

871
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: opportune time. You know, they get hot at the right time.

872
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: What was the key for the Rams to get as

873
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: hot as they did down the stretch. I think they

874
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: had from the injury problems. Daves that somewhere around November.

875
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, both teams have gotten on nice

876
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: win streaks. But I take the difference between the Bengals

877
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: and the Rams is the Bengals didn't have that three

878
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: three game losing streak. It seemed like they'd have bad

879
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: games but then immediately pop right back up after having

880
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: the bad games. The Rams really had that bad string

881
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: there in November when everybody was wondering whether they'd rebound,

882
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: and let's face it, at one time there were two

883
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: games behind Arizona and NFC West, so the fact that

884
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: they were able to storm back, win the division and

885
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: get the losing streak behind them was big. I think

886
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: the defense rounded into form a little bit better, and

887
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I think this offense, it's been missing a run game

888
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: for most of the season. Cam Akers sat an achilles

889
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: injury even before training camps started. He's come back now

890
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: and played during the postseason, but it was just a

891
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: very inconsistent offense. But I think the story would the

892
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: Rams offense has beside Stafford has been Cooper Cup, but

893
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I take odelcom junior coming in. Von Miller's had a

894
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: nice four or five games. It's just all the parts

895
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: finally got together at the right time. And I think

896
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: the key two with the Rams is that this is

897
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: the healthiest that they've been. We're chatting with Joe Ready,

898
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: who covers LA Sports for the Associated Press. Joe, I

899
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at Bengals offensive line

900
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: versus Rams defensive line is the most significant matchup going

901
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl. Do you agree? I would agree.

902
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: I think if the Bengals fans have a saving grace though,

903
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: I think with as bad as that line performed against

904
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: Tennessee A, played very well against Kansas City and against

905
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco, all of us thought and the Rims would

906
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: would pressure and go after Jimmy Garoppolo. They kind of

907
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: they kind of stood back most of the time. They

908
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: really didn't get pressure on Garoppolo until those last drives

909
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: at the game, including the interception that clinched the game

910
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: for him. So it'll be interesting to see how if

911
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: the Rams kind of do like they did against the

912
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Niners where they dropped back in coverage a lot and

913
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: really don't don't bring a lot of pressure, or you know,

914
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: knowing this offensive line, do they decide to turn the

915
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: pressure up a little bit. But Aaron Donald will be

916
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: more than psyched and ready in this game because he

917
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: still blames himself for losing that Super Bowl against New

918
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: England three years ago, including on the big play to

919
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Gronkowski where they basically shot the gap on him, and

920
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: he's he's thought about that play for three long years.

921
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: He talked about that a lot during last year, last

922
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: week's game preparing against San Francisco to try to get

923
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: back here. The turnovers are all He's big and the

924
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: bigger the game. The bigger turnovers are the Bengals seven

925
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: takeaways to giveaways in the postseason, they're plus five and

926
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: the Rams are plus two. Interesting, the MS Rams only

927
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: lost five fumbles during the regular season, amongst the fewers

928
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: in the league. They fumbled it four times and lost

929
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: all of them in three playoff games. Why the ball

930
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: security issues in the playoffs? Do you think they've been

931
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: playing some physical defenses. Um, they had a bad turnover

932
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: against the Niners that almost hurt him. But I think

933
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: that ball security, like he said, he is an issue.

934
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: I think they're also counting on the run game a

935
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: little bit more. I think him akers had one of

936
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: those lost fumbles, he's still, you know, trying to get

937
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: back into in a playing shape. For lack of a

938
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: better term, I think he's averaging less than three yards

939
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: of carry. So when they when they fumble, it's usually

940
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: not those ones that pop right back up into into

941
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: your hands. That's usually the ones that go forward that

942
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: opponents are lucky to get. Well. Jalen Ramsey followed, you

943
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: mar Chase without help, leaving everybody else secondary and linebackers

944
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: to cover all of the Bengals other weapons. I think so,

945
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: I think, and I also think Jen and Jalen relish

946
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: is the opportunity to UM to have a matchup like

947
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: this UM if I'm not wrong. The last time Ramsey

948
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: faces to Bengals was Jacksonville with the with the infamous

949
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: incident with him and aj Or did they or did

950
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: they play after that? No? I think that's it. Okay, yeah,

951
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: because they because the twenty eighteen game, Jalen was still

952
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: with the UH was still with the Jaguars, so he

953
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: wasn't here. But I think they I think these are

954
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: the type of matchups did Jalen wants and likes to

955
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: bring his way. He played a good game last week,

956
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: especially after the Tampa Bay game where the long touchdown

957
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: pass that he that he now likes to boast was

958
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's final touchdown path of his career. But that

959
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: was one of the few times that I think Jalen

960
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: has gotten severely beaten coverage and and I think this

961
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: is one of those games that UH, he definitely wants

962
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: to UH. He definitely wants to take on a receiver

963
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: one on one. So the Bengals are kind of running

964
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of a rotation at the right guard position.

965
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: By series here, what have you heard? I know it's early,

966
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: but as Aaron Donald, have you noticed him drooling or

967
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: anything like that? But as he anticipates lining up against

968
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: the Bengals interior linement. I mean, Aaron Donald is such

969
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: a such a different breed man. What what's that guy like?

970
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: What's what's what's he like? Just as a as a

971
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: person in the locker room? You know, in the community,

972
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: what's he like? Very good in the community, He's he's

973
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: kind of been a quiet guy in the locker room.

974
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: But as Aaron noted last week, Von Miller coming here

975
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: has actually gotten him out of this shell. Von is

976
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: taking it upon himself, is maybe one of those veteran

977
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: leaders that he's been telling. Aaron, Hey, people, your teammates

978
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: want to hear from you. They want to know what

979
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: you're thinking. They want to It's not the lead by

980
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: example anymore. If you've got something to say, say it.

981
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: And if you've got to get on guys, get on them.

982
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: And I think Aaron was very vocal last week. That

983
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: was one thing that you heard Jalen Ramsey and a

984
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: bunch of players say that Aaron was gone around at

985
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: a different position groups, just reiterating the goals for the game,

986
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: what they wanted and because as Aaron has said, and

987
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: I think it was a quote that went around everywhere,

988
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: He's like, I've accomplished everything. The only thing that I

989
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: don't have on my resume right now is a super

990
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Bowl title. And that's been driving them in, you know,

991
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: with the Rams kind of taking things year by year.

992
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: They don't have a draft pick in the first three

993
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: rounds next year, and I kind of joked him, maybe

994
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: the last next time they'll have a first round draft pick,

995
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: it's twenty thirty or twenty thirty one. Is this is

996
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: a it's almost a year to year window with them.

997
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: It's not looking two or three years down the line.

998
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: It's what can you do, It's what can you do

999
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: right now? Which you got to give the rims and

1000
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: less meat than Sean McVay kudos for the win now

1001
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: and be aggressive. But I think at one time or

1002
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: another it's going to catch up with you, whether it's

1003
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, two years down the line or three years

1004
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: down the line. This window in their time is definitely now.

1005
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: A couple more questions for our friend Joe Ready from

1006
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: the Associated Press in Los Angeles. Has Sean McVay articulated

1007
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: any lessons he feels like he learned from the Super

1008
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: Bowl loss to Bill Belichick and the Patriots. Yeah, And

1009
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: I think there was a definite hangover with this team

1010
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: in two nineteen, and I think he's saw for twenty

1011
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: nineteen and half of twenty twenty that Bill Belichick was

1012
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: still firmly in the Los Angeles Rillham's head to where

1013
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: there was just some game planning that Sean did that

1014
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: and some stuff with Jared Goff that you were wondering

1015
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: what was going on there. And it took him a

1016
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: long time. And I think the one thing that that

1017
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: went kind of stressed on Monday because is he said,

1018
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not too often you're you're older than your

1019
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: head coach, and older by a lot I might had,

1020
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: but that Sean has matured. It takes it. It takes

1021
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: head coaches a long time to learn who they are

1022
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: and how comfortable they are. And Sean experienced the Sean

1023
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: experienced a lot of success early and god and really

1024
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't get adversity until I'd say the past couple of years.

1025
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: And I think he's calmed down a little bit. He's

1026
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: still got that fire on the sidelines where we've wondered

1027
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: a couple of times why I didn't get fifteen yard

1028
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: penalties for going to chess bump one of his guys

1029
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 1: in the end zone after a touchdown. But I think

1030
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: the adversity and also you know, maybe easing off and

1031
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: practicing and stuff has definitely helped. And I also think

1032
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: too having Matthew Stafford, having a veteran quarterback where they're

1033
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: on the same wavelength and can agree to things has

1034
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: definitely helped him in that approach to where you know,

1035
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: you look at Zach Taylor. The first couple of years,

1036
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: a ton of adversity, and now in the third year,

1037
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 1: everything's clicking. For Shawn it was off as it first

1038
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: couple of years. Everything came quickly, and it wasn't until

1039
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when they didn't make the playoffs that everybody

1040
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: was wondering if the boy genius or it weren't off

1041
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: a little bit. Final question, Joel, and thanks for carbon time.

1042
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you in your insight and perspective. Minds

1043
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: about Andrew Whitworth, with forty years old, still playing efficient,

1044
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: effective football, does he retire after this year? Like Tom Brady.

1045
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: Does he joined Tom Brady in the in the forty

1046
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: and overcrowd and call it a call it a career.

1047
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: Do you think Wit continues to play? I will go

1048
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: back to something laughs that McVeigh kind of said last week,

1049
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: and and I'd agree with him. When Wit signed that

1050
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: three year contract here, I didn't think he would make

1051
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: it through the full three years. In fact, his wife

1052
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Melissa thought he'd be done after the second year. But

1053
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: I do think, I do think this is the this

1054
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: is the final year for him. I think that he's

1055
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: always been a guy that, you know, would like to

1056
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: go out on his own terms and you know, on

1057
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: his own two feet instead of you know, like Joe

1058
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: Thomas went out with injuries and stuff. And I think

1059
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: for everything that he has accomplished what he's done with

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Speaker 1: both franchises, and especially if he could get NFL Man

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Speaker 1: of the Year this year, He's been up for it

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Speaker 1: so many times that it would be it would be

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Speaker 1: great for him to get that. But no matter the

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Speaker 1: team he was facing in the Super Bowl, I think

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Speaker 1: that I think that this is his final year. And

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Speaker 1: let's face it, a Brady Roethlisberger and Whitworth class in

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Speaker 1: five years in Canton. If he does retire, will be

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Speaker 1: will be a heck of a ceremony because I certainly

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Speaker 1: believe with these years and what he's accomplished, he should

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Speaker 1: be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Thanks to Joe

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Speaker 1: Ready and for much more on Sunday's game, join lapping

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Speaker 1: me for the Bengals Pepper Rally Show Friday afternoon from

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Speaker 1: three to six on ESPN fifteen thirty or on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartMedia app by searching for ESPN fifteen thirty. That's going

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Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast,

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Speaker 1: comment that helps more Bengals fans find us. I'm Dan Horde.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast.