1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Podcast pod cast podcast. I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: the Bastards, a podcast where we talk about people who 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: are bad um with people who aren't bad. And today 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: the person who isn't bad to talk about the people 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: who are bad is Tuck Woodstock. Tuck, how are you 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: doing today? I'm okay. Thank you so much for having 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: me with such a generous introduction. Not bad, I'll take it. Yeah, 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm going for it. Uh, Tuck. You are a Portland 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: area journalist and podcaster and someone who I got tear 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: gass with a bunch during you know, the whole year. Really, 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: how are you doing today, Tuck? I'm okay, I'm alright. 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: The sun is shining, which helps I think that there's 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: this been, this weird gift where yes, we do have 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: to just cower inside because there is a pandemic, but 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: we're getting like a little bit of extra so on 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: out of it. So I'm just trying to take it 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: where I can get it, you know, Yeah, take it 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: where you can get it is a good motto for um. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: I just also feel like I didn't get the sun 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: in the summer because we were both working like nine 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: pm to five am, which is conveniently the only time 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: in Stark in the summer, and so I was like, well, 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: I was just out the entire night all summer, so 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I get some sun now. So you would wake up 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: about an hour and a half before dusk and go 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: out to get to your guest again. Yeah, the number 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: of times that we all went to bed like as 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: the sun was rising, I had to like invest in 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: some like iyemasks, you know, it was ridiculous. Yeah, it was, 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: in other words, a very healthy summer. And it was 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: a healthy summer. It was a healthy summer because of 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: our friends in the Portland Police Bureau are are good buddies. Um. 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: And you know, when you're talking about the Portland Police Bureau, 34 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: you're also talking about the Portland Police Association, which is 35 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: the Portland Police Union and oddly enough, one of the 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: most important unions of not the most important police unions 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: in the entire country. Do you know much about the 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: p p A. You know, I know what I've heard 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: while I was standing outside their union building and people 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: were chanting at them, and I know that they don't 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: love any effort to defund the p p b uh 42 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: and that's about as much as I know. I know, 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: like the guy in charge doesn't love the protests, which 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, shocking personally, but no, I don't know that much. 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm excited to learn more about the people who's building 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: we've been standing outside of all year. Yeah yeah, yeah, 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: uh well, that's what we're gonna do today. And because 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: this is a this is actually a subject, you know it. 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: We're focusing on Portland today, but the p p A 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: is a subject that I think everyone, at least in 51 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: the United States should have some interest in because, as 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: as it turns out, they kind of the Portland Police 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Union kind of set the tone for every police union 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: in the United States because it was the first it 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: was the first successful police union in the country. So 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: I want to start by talking a little bit about 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: police unions in general so we can contextualize why they're 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: a problem. Um So, A two thousand, eighteen Oxford University 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: study of police unions in the one hundred largest US 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: cities found that police protections in union contracts are directly 61 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: and positively correlated with police violence and abuse towards citizens. 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: This includes protections like contractual guarantees that officers found engaging 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: in misconduct should not be publicly shamed, that they shouldn't 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: be questioned within two days of a shooting or another 65 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: act of fatal violence, and that they shouldn't be publicly 66 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: identified after assaulting citizens. Shockingly, this causes police to hurt 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: more people. Um, really surprising stuff. That's why I love unions, right, 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: It's like all the cool worker protections, Like you get 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: to just kill people without any sort of repercussion or 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: notice whatsoever. That's why I love a union. Go ahead. 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: I remember when the steel Workers union went on strike 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: because they weren't getting to murder enough people, and we 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: were all like, yeah, you should get to murder more people. Yeah, yeah. Uh. 74 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: Two thousand nineteen studied by the University of Chicago found 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: that when Florida's sheriff's deputies received collective bargaining rights the 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: main power imparted by unions, incidents of violent police conduct 77 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: in Florida increased by across the states. This is not 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: a subtle correlation. Now. Professor Rob Gilso's research, which will 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: be published in an upcoming study, found that nationwide police 80 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: ability to collectively bargain led to a significant rise in 81 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: police killings of civilians, and of course, people of color 82 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: were subject to an outsized number of those killings. This 83 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: may have something to do with the fact that police 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: unions regularly sue to reinstate officers who are fired for 85 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: killing innocent people. Nationwide, they succeed about of the time, 86 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: but in some cities the number is north of seventy. Uh. 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: San Antonio would be one example. In Minneapolis, it's like 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: fifty or so. UM. Now, w b e Z, a 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Chicago radio station, found that between two thousand and seven 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: and two thousand fifteen, Chicago's Independent Police Review Authority, which 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: the union fought for um because they only wanted cops 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: to judge as the cops rather than civilians to be 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: able to fire cops. Uh. This body investigated four hundred 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: police shootings and found officers were justified and three four 95 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: hundred incidents. So you know, I'm surprised about this too. 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: That's really generous of them. Yeah, that's I'm glad they 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: found those two bad cops. And they're like, see, we're 98 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: a legit organization. Where doesn't that you know, we're real, 99 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: We're real. Yeah. In Minneapolis, the police union also succeeded 100 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: in replacing its Civilian Review Board with an Office of 101 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Police Conduct Review and over eight years, the public filed 102 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: more than misconduct complaints. Twelve of those resulted in punishment. Again, 103 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: I perfectly legitimate organization. That's really twelve bad ones. Uh. Like, 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I interviewed a cop years 105 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: and years ago about like police misconduct, and you know, 106 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: one of the statements he made to me is like, well, 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: when when journalists get accused of bad behavior, do you 108 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: tend to assume that like they were in the right 109 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: or the wrong to like make the case that that's 110 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: why cops back other cops. And I was like, I 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: get what you're saying, But also if I to hear 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: that out of twenty complaints of misconduct by journalists only 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: twelve or found valid, I'd say, no, it's got to 114 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: be at least thirteen hundred, right, Like, I know journalists 115 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: also are the complaints the journalists murdered people? Because I 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: would take those more seriously personally. It does it does 117 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: have something to do with what the complaints are about, 118 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: right Like yeah, So yeah, that's just a little bit 119 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: about unions, because today again we're gonna be talking about 120 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: the union that started it all. Because every statistic I've 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: just cited here, Uh, and all the murders and beatings 122 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: that those statistics represent, all the crimes against actual in 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: human beings, can be tied in some ways back to 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: a single specific police union, the Portland Police Association. Now 125 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: the Portland Police were not always unionized, but they were 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: always kind of ship like most police agencies in the 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: United States, their story goes back further than the concept 128 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: of police unions. From eighteen fifty one to eighteen seventy, 129 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: the city of Portland was policed by a marshal who 130 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: was elected or appointed to a two year term. He 131 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: could hire deputies and these were basically just like freelance 132 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: guys with guns and badges until the eighteen sixties. It 133 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: wasn't until eighteen seventy that Portland was enough of a 134 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: real city to merit its own police force, initially called 135 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the Portland Metropolitan Police Force. At the time, the city 136 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: had about nine thousand residents and the police force was 137 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: seven people, which it seems like a good number for 138 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: a police force to be compared to the current number, 139 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: and I would take it. Yeah, yeah, seven cops. I 140 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: think they'd be nicer. Um. Things grew rapidly from there, 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: and in nineteen o eight Portland became the first city 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: anywhere in the USA to hire a female officer, So 143 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: that's good. More woman cops. Yeah. The Bureau was also 144 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 1: the first to use radios. In the early nineteen tens, 145 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: they joined the proud tradition of US law enforcement cracking 146 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: the schools of left wing labor organizers. And that's going 147 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: to bring me briefly to the tale of Portland's Red Squad. 148 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the Red Squad? Now, I'm 149 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: so excited we still have one. But they don't call 150 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: it that anymore. Is it for communists? Yeah, it's for 151 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: beating the ship out of communists, well, leftists in general, 152 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: anarchists too, you know, they don't like the wobblies. So 153 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: the Red Squads started to ramp up as a unit 154 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: during the Roaring twenties, which, as a decade of increasing 155 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: wealth and equality and ballooning fortunes for the rich, was 156 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: also a decade when a lot of people were like, 157 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: communism seems like maybe something we could try. Um. And 158 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, Portland's always had a left wing radical tradition. 159 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: More than a dozen of its citizens went off to 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: fight fascism in the Spanish Civil War and the labor 161 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: movement had a strong home here, and that was really 162 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: the crux of it. Leftists kept organizing workers into unions, 163 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: and business owners wanted those people identified and punished before 164 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: they could mess up people's profit margins. So while some 165 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: of the Red Squad was funded by the city, most 166 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: of its money came from business owners in Portland who 167 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: wanted to know which of their employees were considering joining 168 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: a union so that they could fire them. I'm obsessed 169 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: at this Do any of those businesses still exist? I 170 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: need to know. That is a great question and should 171 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: be looked into. I do not have that research in 172 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: front of me, but I I it wouldn't be hard 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: to do. I don't think people were reporting on the 174 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: Oregonian reported on in the thirties. Yeah, well they have 175 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: a mixed story in this episode two. Um so Yeah, 176 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties Portland kind of sounds a lot like 177 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Portland today. For example, in nineteen thirty four, there mayde 178 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: a celebration. Demonstrators hung a red Revolutionary flag over city Hall, 179 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: and a malfunctioning poll mechanism stopped the city from taking 180 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: it down. The Portland Communist Party held a parade against hunger, fascism, 181 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: and war, and for the first time in Portland's history, 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: the protesters had a functional p A system. Demonstrators were 183 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: called to meet at three pm to march to the 184 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Plaza Park for unemployment insurance, social security, free milk for children, 185 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: and a release of class war prisoners. And that really 186 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: scared rich people in the town and the cops. The 187 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: Red Squad started sending an officers to infiltrate left wing groups. 188 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: After this, they hired agent provocateurs to suggest acts of 189 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: violence during planning eatings that the police could then crack 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: down violently before protests, claiming that they had intelligence about 191 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: violence from protesters. Um, yeah, it's some good ship. Yeah. 192 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Where they where they threatened by the unemployment or the 193 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: milk for children? That's what I really need to know 194 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: what they're concerned about here? Equal I would say, equal parts, 195 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: equal parts milk for little kids and unemployment shares. Yeah. 196 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from a two thousand right 197 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: up for Lewis and Clark College by Michael Monk. Quote. 198 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Throughout the decade, it's undercover agents and provocateurs made desperate 199 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: efforts to suppressive, destabilize radical political groups and union organizing, 200 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: including pressuring Lincoln High School students, artists, and anti fascist organizers. 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: And again he's writing this in two thousands, so before 202 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: Rose City Antifa exists, before antifa is like a buzzword, 203 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: like just kind of to note that the Portland police 204 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: is antipathy towards anti fascists goes back quite a ways. Um, 205 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: And there's a reason Portland police were sympathetic to fascism 206 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: during the nineteen two when the Second KKK arose, it 207 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: was something of a cross between like an MLM scheme 208 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: and a hate group. Oregon was one of its centers 209 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: of recruitment. It was one of the states with the 210 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: most clansmen, and there were a number of times where 211 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: huge numbers of KKK guys would would march through the 212 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: streets of Portland. And of course many of the clansmen 213 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: who marched through Portland were also cops. In ninety three 214 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: Portland Telegram article reported that the police bureau was quote 215 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: full to the brink with clansmen. The Portland Police Bureau 216 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: actually deputized a hundred clansmen handpicked by the local Grand 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: Dragon and designated them Portland Police vigilantes. They got badges 218 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: I love it so cool and good. It makes sense, 219 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's all the chance in the street of 220 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: like cops and clan go hand in hand, and it's 221 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: like no, literally they are just like the one hand 222 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: on the other hand on the same human body. Yeah, 223 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: it's not a euphemism. Yeah. Um. Now, as you might expect, 224 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: a police bureau that consisted mostly of white supremacists and 225 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: fascist sympathizers did not react kindly to the cause of 226 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: organized labor. On July eleven, nineteen, Portland's longshoreman went on strike, 227 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: blocking the Union Pacific train line from delivering freight out 228 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: of the port that gives Portland it's name. The Portland 229 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: police loaded up onto a train with a bunch of 230 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: strikebreakers and attempted to drive through the Union lines. When 231 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: longshore been threw rocks at them, the police drew shotguns 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 1: and revolvers and fired wildly into the crowd from a 233 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: moving train. Uh. They wounded four and killed one, So 234 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, you know, I guess the protests today 235 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: could be worse firing live rounds at us from a 236 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: moving vehicle. They did ramas a couple of times with 237 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: police cars, um, but not with a train, right, yeah, 238 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: it's getting We've reformed them. Uh. In nineteen thirty six, 239 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: a German naval vessel sailed into Portland's harbor, and of course, 240 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: because it was ninety six, the German navy was, you know, 241 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of a bunch of Nazis, um and yeah, 242 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: this this vessel or the Swastika flag, which marked the 243 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: very first time that the swastica was flown in the 244 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: city of Portland, but of course not the last time. 245 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: The Evening Herald, a Klamath Falls newspaper noted thousands of 246 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: citizens who lined the west Harbor wall and city officials 247 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: gave the end in which was the ship and its men, 248 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: an enthusiastic welcome. So thousands of Portland's showed up to 249 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: cheer for the first Nazis to come into town. They 250 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: got to march like the actual Nazi sailors, got to 251 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: march through the streets of Portland. It doesn't sound wrong 252 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: to me. Now. Those literal Nazis were of course protected 253 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: by the police, and they were opposed by a small 254 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: number of brave anti fascist demonstrators. Eleven of them were 255 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: arrested quote on a charge of parading banners without permits 256 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: by members of the Red Squad. Yeah, that is the 257 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: danger the Nazis are here. I mean, honestly, this sounds 258 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: exactly like what would happen to you today. Like it 259 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: is not different, No, it's not at all. Like Nazis 260 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: continue to march in town and the police continue to 261 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: arrest the people who show up to oppose them. It's 262 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: the same, it's the same. It's great. These Nazis had 263 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: a boat, which I guess is a change. You know. 264 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: I think we there's like the Trump the Trump boat 265 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: things that we're sinking the other boat. Do you know 266 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was like yeah, yeah, 267 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: it's not the same, but I feel like it's like 268 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: a similar energy if we could kind of combine those 269 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: two things together. I think the sinking boat was one 270 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: of my favorite things to see on Twitter all year. 271 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: It's just like the singing Trump boat, because there were 272 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of like Trump vessels that sunk, non Trump vessels, 273 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: just China have a good time. Yeah, that I don't 274 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: like as much. Now, Yeah, it's all great, So go ahead. 275 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: The anti fascists who protested again actual Nazis marching through 276 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: the streets of Portland carried banners denouncing Hitler and demanding 277 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: that the US and no athletes to the Berlin Olympics. 278 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: Nobody listened to them. Um, and again eleven of them 279 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: were arrested. The newspaper notes that three of them were 280 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Read College students. Congratulation just read you had a strong 281 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: reaction to that, tuck. Yeah. I know a lot of 282 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: people from Read College, and it it just tracks there. 283 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: Um there. What is their slogan? Their slogan is like communism, anarchy, 284 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: free love. What is it? It's something like that. It's 285 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: really powerful. Good for them. Well, I'm proud of Read College. Uh. 286 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: The newspaper also notes that five of them were women, 287 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: which it says something about the times. I guess that 288 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: that was that was a worthwhile statement to make. Um yeah, uh. 289 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: And I think before we move on, I want to 290 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: read the names of the arrested people, because I think 291 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: it's probably good to remember that while thousands of Portlands 292 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: showed up to be like yeah, Nazis, eleven people were 293 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: like fuck you guys. Uh, and those people ruled uh. 294 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: John Hammond, Robert Lewis, William Wood Esther Layton, who was 295 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: the secretary of the American League against the war and fascism, 296 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Mary Gould of the International Labor Defense League, uh Say Nordling, 297 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Earl Steward, Frank Webber, Mrs Violet Olsen, and Mrs Levina 298 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Hennett and Lillian Foster. So good on all of them. 299 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: All right, did some research while you did read that list, 300 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: because I too am a journalist and I just want 301 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: to read to you. An unofficial motto of read is communism, atheism, 302 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: free love, and can be found in the Red College bookstore. 303 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: It was a label that the Red community claim from 304 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: critics during the nineteen twenties. So here we are, yeah 305 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: this period, Good on you read. So when World War 306 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Two started, the Portland Police contained a number of officers 307 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: who are members of fascist and Nazi sympathetic organizations. They 308 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: put their heads down and whistled loudly as their nation 309 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: went to war against fascism. It was rather ironically this 310 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: war that would finally convince the Portland police that all 311 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: those labor organizers they've beaten and shot over the years 312 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: might have had a point. The cause of this was 313 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Police Chief Niles, a forward thinking cop who had established 314 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: one of the nation's first police academies in Portland and 315 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: nineteen forty. Prior to this, Portland police had been trained 316 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: on the job, which means they were not trained at all. 317 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: The book Pickets, Pistols and Politics, which is a complete 318 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: history of the Portland Police Union, and I can send 319 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: you a copy if you want to. It's it's fun 320 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: reading notes that quote fresh recruits were given a star 321 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: in a whistle and shoved out the door. Good. Why 322 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: why would you need to train anyone that's better though 323 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: than what they're doing now. Our cops are highly trained 324 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: and it has not helped. Let's go back to the 325 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: whistle star day whistle. I do love a whistle. Yeah, 326 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: you know who else loves whistles? Everybody loves whistles. Yeah, 327 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah? And let's hear from our finisher. 328 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: Are you're plug there? I was going to go to 329 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: ads and say that our our sponsors, all of whistles 330 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: sponsored by a whistle company. Yeah. Well, Big Whistle is 331 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: actually heavily in bed with the police union, so I 332 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: don't think we're going to get any of that money. 333 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: Fair enough, another sponsors foiled. We're back. Okay, So we're 334 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: talking about Harry Niles, the police chief, who's again Big 335 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: modernizer you know, also establishes Portland's or Oregon's first police 336 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: science school, forms a discipline board for his cops, and 337 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: he gives his cops modern uniforms, which at this point 338 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: they did still have to pay for themselves. But Niles 339 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: had some problems that got in the way of him 340 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: modernizing the Portland Police. One of them was the fact 341 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: that a lot of Portland's cops were old as hell. Uh. 342 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: The pension was bad in those days, and so people 343 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: would hang onto the job even though they like really 344 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: could barely walk anymore, um because again it would be 345 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: that or starve on the streets. Old cops had never 346 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: been forced to pass a civil service exam, which was 347 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: required of new recruits, and that was also a problem 348 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: for Harry because again, he wants police to be professional. 349 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: To make his dreams of a young, sexy, modern Portland 350 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: police beer or a reality, Niles had to find a 351 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: bunch of extra money and what was at that point 352 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: of very limited budget. So he decided to put all 353 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: of the old cops on what he called park patrol, 354 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: which would force them to spend twelve hours shifts on 355 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: their feet at a much lower rate of pay, reducing 356 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: their pay opened up funds for new cops, and basically 357 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: he was kind of hoping that making them walk all 358 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: day would make a lot of them quit or die 359 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: on the job and free up more money. Die on 360 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: the job. Yeah, you kind of get that. He didn't 361 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: say it, but he's giving the old guys a job 362 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: that makes them walk twelve hours a day, you know, 363 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: hand disrespectful. On the other hand, they are cops. They 364 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: are gonna kinda let this one even out. I'm still 365 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: distracted by you calling it police science. Yeah, yeah, like 366 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: like like your printing and ship. Yeah, like like the 367 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: idea that there should be some rigor applied to how 368 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: you determine whether or not a crime was committed by 369 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: someone as opposed to just being like grabbed the nearest 370 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: person who wasn't white and throw them in prison. Now 371 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: was my point is, like maybe like do science and 372 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: stop with crimes. Yeah, that was the idea cops walking, 373 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: like you know the vandalism that sometimes you'll see that says, 374 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, kill a cop or whatever, but like they 375 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: should like have a subtitle that's like by making them 376 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: walk twelve hours a day in a park, Like we're 377 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: not bad people, we just want them to walk more. 378 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: See what happened. We agree with Portland's old police chief exactly. 379 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Get the look out. Harry Niles, the leader of Anti 380 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: far He created, didn't you say? He created like discipline, 381 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: like the first discipline Yeah, the discipline board. Yeah yeah, 382 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: which again he was very unpopular with the rank and 383 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: file cops. As a rule, the people the cops hate 384 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: most in Portland police history is their police chief. Um. 385 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: Although there's some debate. Well we'll talk about that a 386 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: little bit later to uh so, Yeah, Harry has all 387 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: this plan to make a bunch of old cops walk 388 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: until they die or quit, and the city council is like, 389 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: this is a great idea, and uh in September of 390 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: ninety one they basically back legally his plan to do 391 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: park patrol. But they in in December of nineteen forty one, 392 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: Japan attacks Pearl Harbor in the US winds up in 393 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: you know a thing like a big like a big kerfuffle, 394 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I think would be the best way to describe what 395 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: they call world kerfuff Yeah, the big the big world kerfuffle. Um. Yeah. 396 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: And this was a problem for officers, even officers who 397 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: hadn't been Nazi sympathizers because people went kind of bug 398 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: funk at the start of the war and assumed that 399 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: Oregon in California were going to be invaded by Japan. Um. 400 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: And this wasn't entirely irrational because the Empire of Japan 401 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: did kill several oregon Ians with bombs tied to balloons. 402 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: Um So, like, yeah, that's we don't talk about that much, 403 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: but there were some attacks on on Oregon. I think 404 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: it was Oregon and Washington had like some minor strikes 405 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: on their soil, like a thing that happened, Yeah, it 406 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: rings a bell. But the balloon part I was just like, wait, pardon, 407 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: that's a thing you can do. They tried some they 408 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: tried some wacky stuff. Um. So, a more direct problem 409 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: for the police was that number one, they suddenly had 410 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: a whole new tie the patrol duty to do, because again, 411 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: people were afraid of being invaded. And number two, there 412 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: were a whole bunch of young, fit cops that got 413 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: drafted um and that meant that they couldn't really afford 414 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: to get rid of all the old ones. So to 415 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: make up for this, Niles put the entire bureau on 416 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: full time service with no days off. Portland police were 417 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: expected to work twelve hour shifts, seven days a week. 418 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: And remember they didn't get overtime yet, so this is 419 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: like like again, no sympathy for them, but kind of 420 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: a ship gig. Like you can see why they would 421 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: be unhappy with this. Uh. These this state of affairs 422 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: was originally supposed to last just three weeks, but once 423 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: it became clear that this you know, world cerfuffle thing 424 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: was gonna last more than a month, Niles extended the 425 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: new schedule indefinitely. As you might expect, officers were not 426 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: wild about this new state of affairs. Enter John Hayes. 427 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: He was a young, fresh faced and popular officer whose 428 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: previous job had been as a pinball machine repairman. Shockingly, 429 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: pinball machine repairman did not get paid well. So at 430 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: age twenty two, John had created a labor union for 431 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: pinball mechanics UH. In pursuit of this goal, he'd met 432 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: members of the Multnoma County Central Labor Committee, and they 433 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: helped him learn how to organize a bunch of pinball 434 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: guys into a union that could bargain for better wages. 435 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm so mad that this is going to get bad soon, 436 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: because I'm obsessed with pinball union, and I would wear 437 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: their T shirts all yeah, the pinball Union. Unfortunately, the 438 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: pinball Union is irrevocably tainted by their relationship to the 439 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: Portland Police Association. It's really tragic. Yeah. So nationally, there'd 440 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: been a couple of attempts at police unions by the forties, 441 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: but none of them had worked out. The Boston police 442 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: had unionized in the nineteen teens and then gone on 443 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: strike for better wages, which had resulted in a mass 444 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: riot through the streets of Boston a citizens looted everything 445 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: that could possibly find. President Woodrow Wilson had called the 446 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: police strike a crime against civilization and told the American 447 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Federation of Labor president there is no right to strike 448 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, any time. Every 449 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: single striking Boston officer was fired and the union died 450 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: a painful death, and the AFL revoked all police union 451 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: charters after this point. So cops had tried to unionize 452 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: and it had gone very badly for them, and there 453 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: were not police unions when the John Hayes is like, 454 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: what if I unionize the Portland police. So they're not 455 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: the first, but they are the first that will succeed 456 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: at unionizing. Um. So obviously this was a dangerous thing 457 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: to try to do, and a lot of people felt 458 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: that the police should not be able to organize under 459 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: any circumstances. Those people would, of course, proved to be right. 460 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: Officer Hayes reached out to ask me the American Federation 461 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: of State, County and Municipal Employees, which is the largest 462 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: trade union for public employees in the company, and he 463 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: was like, you know that thing that ended really badly 464 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: last time, what if we do that again? That's good stuff. 465 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: It's just so interesting to me because I have a 466 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: friend who organized, you know, helped organize the union. Asks 467 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: me in Portland, and there's there's literally like a no 468 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: cop asked me movement right to get the And I 469 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: had no idea. And I don't know if they knew 470 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: either that this actually happened, like in Portland itself, you know, 471 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: so I did know this until it was actually Alan Kessler, 472 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: who's a local lawyer that like informed us of this book. 473 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: And I did not know the Portland I just thought 474 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: they were another cop union, but they are like the 475 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: cop union. Yeah, so that's good. Explain something, yeah, so 476 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: asked me agreed to back the Portland Police as long 477 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: as they included a clause in their charter that they 478 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: could never strike under any circumstances. And Hayes said, of course, 479 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: of course will never strike. We would never strike, that 480 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: will never happen. We I promised the Portland Police will 481 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: never go on strike. And then you know asked me, 482 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: was like, okay, and they made a deal. And to 483 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: make a long boring story short, Hayes gradually succeeded in 484 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: signing most of his fellow cops up for the union. 485 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: Under the chiefs nos Uh. The Portland Police Association went 486 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: public in April of nineteen forty two, and the initial 487 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: reaction was less than positive. The Oregonian on April sixteenth 488 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: wrote an editorial about what a bad idea it would 489 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: be to allow cops to unionize. The editorial writer noted 490 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: that if police unionized, no matter what, those cops would 491 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: always be suspected of quote greater loyalty to union than 492 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: to official duty. I always want to congratulate the Oregonian 493 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: editorial board for getting something right at some point in 494 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: its long storied history. It doesn't last long, don't worry. 495 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: This was the one time I'm sure they fired that 496 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: guy immediately. Um so, Yeah, public suspicion was not enough 497 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: to stop the Portland Police Association from getting off the ground. 498 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: On an April ninety two, the p p A held 499 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: its first official meeting and voted for its first president. 500 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Now Hayes, as the founder of the union, had acted 501 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: as interim president during this early period, but his fellow 502 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: officers felt that he was too young and inexperienced to 503 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: represent them at the negotiating table. Instead, they picked a 504 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: literal Nazi. They're like, let's do ageism and fascism all 505 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: in one. Sure did the Nazis have a union? Because 506 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: if not, I guess it could have been worse. They 507 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: had the National Socialist German Workers Party. But yeah, uh 508 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: uh so yeah. Otto Miners was the first president of 509 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: the p p A, and he's described this way in 510 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: the p p a's Weird Biography of Itself, which is 511 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: very positive quote. He was an outspoken man, some would 512 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: say loudmouth, whose accent revealed his German upbringing. Earlier, he 513 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: had been an active member of the German American Booned, 514 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: though for self preservation in a nation at war with Germany. 515 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: He later played down his interest in the land of 516 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: his ancestors. Now that's that's fund to me, because they 517 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: say that like, well, he was a German Man who 518 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: remembered the Boond because he was interested in his German ancestry. 519 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: That's not what the German American Boond was. The German 520 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: American Boond was a literal Nazi organization in the United 521 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: States that was funded by the Nazi Party in Germany. 522 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: The Boond waved swatsticka banners at mass rallies. They gave 523 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: the fascist salute and moss to giant portraits of Hitler. 524 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: Their initial funding, again came from the Nazi government. Fritz Koon, 525 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: the leader of the Boond, summed up the group's ideology 526 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: in a speech he gave at Madison Square Garden in 527 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine. If you ask what we are actively 528 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: fighting for under our charter. First, a socially just white, 529 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: gentile ruled United States. Second, gentile controlled labor unions free 530 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: from Jewish Moscow directed dominance. So this is meeting faces 531 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: that you doesn't work for podcasting. And I'm just like 532 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: the first president of the Portland Police Association, a literal Nazi. 533 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Boond rallies featured banners with catchy slogans 534 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: like stop Jewish Domination of Christian Americans and wake up America, 535 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: smash Jewish communist. Oh my god, God, it's good stuff. 536 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: It's not subtle, no, no, and you have to love that. 537 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: The Portland Police Association's biography of itself just says like 538 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: he was interested in his German heritage. No, dude was 539 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: a Nazi. The branding of that is just yeah, it's great, 540 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: good stuff. It's rude to Germany because it conflates the two. 541 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: It's like, if you have German heritage, it just means 542 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: you love like to be a Nazi. You know. It's like, 543 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: we can separate those two things. We can separate them. Yeah, 544 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: the p PA can't. I can I enjoy the aspects 545 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: of German heritage that are, for example, creative sausages. Yeah 546 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: later osen fine, Yeah, no one has any issues with 547 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: that part now. Um, yeah, so it would be fair 548 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: to call miners and Nazi. Now. There were some German 549 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: Americans who joined the boond not really knowing what it was, 550 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: but those folks tended to leave pretty quickly once they 551 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: saw the swastika banners and heard all the talk about 552 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: the Jews. Miners remained in the boond until it was 553 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: forcibly disbanded after the outbreak of US involvement in World 554 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: War Two, which would you know, suggest he was pretty 555 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: fucking committed. And now he was the first president of 556 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: the Portland Police Association. Good stuff, good guy. So the 557 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: p p as first big victory came that October when 558 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: it succeeded in getting its officers time and a half 559 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: pay for working on Halloween. It also got officers overtime 560 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: pay for working security at ball games, which they'd previously 561 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: done on a volunteer basis. I'm not sure if this 562 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: was the first time police anywhere in the nation got 563 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: overtime pay. It might have been, but it was the 564 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: first time that a police union succeeded in getting a 565 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: blanket overtime agreement out of a city in the United States. 566 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: This is like the start of police overtime. Um. Thanks, yeah, 567 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: and now it is like bankrupting the city of Portland. Yeah, 568 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: it's so good. So President Miners the Nazi learned in 569 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: nineteen forty three that some of his officers were still 570 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: working at ball games for free as actual volunteers out 571 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: of I don't know, some sense of civic responsibility or something, 572 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: and discussed ball games are nice. He was disgusted by this. 573 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: He told the union that these men were playing into 574 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: the hands of the opposition, and I have to credit 575 00:30:53,960 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: him for not saying the Jews there. Um. He actually 576 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: read the badge numbers of these men allowed to the union, 577 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: so that like people would know who were the I 578 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: guess that the traders within their midst um, which they 579 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: could really mad at us when we read their badge numbers. 580 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: But that's a great point. Nobody's allowed to bad numbers anymore. Yeah, 581 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: uh yeah. It was kind of a dip move from 582 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 1: the president of the union, but you know, in fairness 583 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: to him, ninety three was kind of a rough year 584 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: for Nazis, so maybe Miners was just in a mood. Now, 585 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: at this time, the police were not the only force 586 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: providing law and order type services to the city of Portland. 587 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: There was also the Veterans Guard and Patrol. Now, this 588 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: was a group of World War One vets who had 589 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: formed to defend their homeland while younger men fought fascism abroad. 590 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: These guys worked for free, protecting their neighborhoods and guarding 591 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: their community with skills honed in deadly battle. Now, some 592 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: people might consider this kind of a win win because 593 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: it didn't cost anyone anything, and these guys clearly knew 594 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: what they were doing. I'm sure they were as racist 595 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: as everyone else back then, but I haven't heard anything 596 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: that would suggest they were worse than the police, and 597 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: they were probably broadly speaking more competent. Uh. Yeah. But 598 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: Miners hated this because again, the veterans guard were not 599 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: getting paid, and he was all about getting more money 600 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: for cops as pickets, pistols and politics notes. In the 601 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: view of the police union, the veteran guard and patrol 602 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: simply made it more difficult for professional police to get 603 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: their demands met by the city. After all, many police 604 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: services were being performed for free by these patriotic veterans. 605 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: We gotta shut that shut down now. The police union 606 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: succeeded in pushing down any attempt to form like a 607 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: civic safety patrol not made up of a tiny cadra 608 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: of unaccountable men paid increasingly vast sums of money to 609 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: do violence. That task accomplished in five Miners set himself 610 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to the job of fighting another scourge to civic order Hollywood. 611 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: See the end of World War Two was the start 612 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: of a gangster revolution in Hollywood films. The gangster air 613 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: of the twenties and thirties was distant enough that people 614 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: could make good movies about it now, and police around 615 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: the country were horrified to see their mortal enemies turned 616 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: into heroes on the silver screen. Now, at this point, 617 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: unionization was still very rare for police officers. It was 618 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: not just Portland's, but they were one of the few. 619 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: So the cause of opposing gangster movies on behalf of 620 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: law men everywhere fell upon the Portland Police Association. The 621 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Portland Police publicized the release of a resolution stating that 622 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: the United States and foreign nations were quote to be 623 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: flooded with a series of gangster motion pictures. Now, the 624 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: PPA was concerned with the influence of such pictures on 625 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: the impressionable alliscent mind, and argued that Hollywood producers and 626 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: again got a credit miners for not just saying Jews 627 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: there were responsible for any harms that this caused. Such 628 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: films can be motivated only by greed and can feel 629 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: no concern for the welfare of our country or its youth. Wait, 630 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with them being like this is motivated by greed, 631 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: when like they are the ones that are like everyone 632 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: has to get paid all the time, no volunteering at 633 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: the baseball game. Yeah, it is funny that he accuses 634 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: them of being greedy. Ye. Now, I don't want to 635 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: lean too much on the Nazi stuff, but it is 636 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: telling that one of the things this literal Nazi president 637 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: of the p p A makes one of his first 638 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: priorities is to attack Hollywood producers. Um a little bit 639 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: of a tell, little bit of a tell. Uh Yeah. Anyway, 640 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: the resolution concluded by proposing an investigation of Hollywood producers 641 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: by the House un American Activities Committee, which absolutely did 642 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: happen and culminated in the second Red Square. Now a 643 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: lot went into that. I'm not going to give the 644 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: pp A credit for all of it, but they were 645 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: a force in sparking the second red scare. You know 646 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: that's cool. Okay, let's scare the first said square. I'm 647 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: like the red square, the red Okay, cool. Now that's 648 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: just like a communist who wears a suit. Well, anyway, 649 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: good job for doing the red scare. Yeah, thanks guys, 650 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: thanks for starting the ball ball rolling on ruining the 651 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: lives of people in Hollywood who happened to think that 652 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: socialism might be a ideam ahead of the curve Trailblazers. 653 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: That's where the basketball team gets its name, Yeah Yeah, 654 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: from the p PA's hatred of people having opinions. Now, 655 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: in Portland Police Association terms, most of the late nineteen 656 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: forties and nineteen fifties were a set of labor rights improvements. 657 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: Police won a forty hour work week, they want expanded 658 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: sick days, and they want better and more comfortable uniforms 659 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: that they didn't have to pay for. This is mostly 660 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: stuff that, if you assume police should exist, is not 661 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: really that problematic, pretty basic, like workers rights. The p 662 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: p A pooled its bargaining power with the firefighters union 663 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: to get a proper pension system set up, and actually 664 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: the firefighters were critical in allowing the PPA to survive 665 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: because in the early days, again there was a lot 666 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: of resistance and they weren't recognized for years by the 667 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: city of Portland itself. It was the firefighters who first 668 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: gave them legitimacy by saying like, hey, will we will 669 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: bargain with you, and that way they'll have to deal 670 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: with you, because they have to deal with firefighters. The 671 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: p PA's biography says something about this that I think 672 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: is very telling a quote. The thinking was that the 673 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: firefighters had a better chance of winning the voters favor. 674 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: They were, after all, the good guys in the public's view, 675 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: the ones who saved people instead of bossing them around. 676 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: It's fun that cops recognize that, Yes, we do like 677 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: firefighters better than you because their only job is to 678 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: save people. Yeah, they're help They're actually helping people. Their 679 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: job is undebatably necessary, whereas you are cops. So there 680 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: was initially consensus among union leadership that the pp A 681 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: should not donate to directly or back directly political candidates, 682 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: that it would be wrong for them to get political. 683 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: Getting involved in partisan politics would be unseemly for a 684 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: group of men and women who are supposed to be 685 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: civil servants protecting all citizens. Uh. This would last until 686 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: the seventies, but we'll talk about that story a little 687 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: bit later. For right now, we need to turn away 688 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: from pickets, pistols, and politics, which has been the source 689 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: for everything but the stuff about the Red Squad and 690 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: the boond and turned to a slightly better source because shockingly, 691 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: for a book written at the behest of a police union, Pickets, Pistols, 692 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: and Politics, says almost nothing about race with relations in 693 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: Portland or police behavior towards black Portlanders. Um. It does 694 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: occasionally mentioned that, like civil rights groups had problems with 695 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: Portland police, but it will make statements like black activists 696 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: believe that police showed a racial bias. And that's kind 697 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: of the most that you'll get out of out of 698 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: the book. Uh So, for this next bit of the episode, 699 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to turn to a dissertation written by Catherine 700 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: Nelson at Portland State University. Its title is on the 701 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Murder of Ricky Johnson, the Portland Police Bureau, Deadly Force, 702 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: and the Struggle for civil rights in Oregon. And it's 703 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: a really good read um like a very I would 704 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: I would recommend it above the union's propaganda book, um, 705 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: although they both have some interesting stuff in them. So legally, 706 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: Oregon didn't have segregation in the nineteen forties or fifties 707 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: or sixties, right, like we were not one of the 708 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: if you like google like maps of states that had segregation, 709 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: Oregan's right there with California as like, uh, discriminatetion for 710 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: race or color forbidden by law. State. But that that's 711 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: not really true. Um, that's just like there wasn't legal segregation. 712 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: It did absolutely happen. As historian Elizabeth McLagan notes, black 713 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: people in Portland were regularly refused admission to restaurants, theaters, 714 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: and hotels. Medical care was difficult to obtain. Unions barred 715 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: blacks from membership, employment practices confined them to certain jobs, 716 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: and integrated housing was resisted. According to a long time 717 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: black resident, Oregon was a clan state, a hell whole. 718 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: It's not it was not a not nice I think 719 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: is a good way to sum that up. Henry Stevenson 720 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: was a black World War Two veteran who moved to 721 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: Portland in nineteen sixty. Here's how he described his experience. 722 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: Living in Portland at that time was almost like living 723 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: in Alabama. Black folks had at rough the system, especially 724 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: the police had a whole lot of feat on black 725 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: people's necks. It was nothing for a cop to just 726 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: shoot a brother. When this did happen, there was no consequences. 727 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: The cops weren't afraid of being reprimanded in any way. Well, 728 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: I hasn't changed, no, not really. The Portland police did 729 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: have a disciplinary board, but officer reprimands were complaint driven, 730 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: and the Portland Police didn't listen to complaints if they 731 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: weren't made by white people. The traditionally black neighborhood of 732 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: Albina received way more policing than any other neighborhood in 733 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: the city. And again that hasn't really changed. Um, I'm 734 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: here right now, I can tell you it has not changed. Yeah. Uh, 735 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: this is a bad time to go into an ad break. 736 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: You're going to choose now, this is what you're choosing. 737 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even gonna capitalism. We've returned. So yeah, 738 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Portland police, Uh, pretty bad on on race relations and 739 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: and such. Lee Anderson, a black Portlander, commented in that 740 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: we are surrounded by a prejudice that you do not 741 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: find in our neighboring states. Forty five years later, in 742 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, a young black man commented to a 743 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: local newspaper, where else but Albaiana do cops hang around 744 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: streets and parks all day like plantation overseers, Which is 745 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: pretty strong statement, yep. In her dissertation for PSU, Katherine 746 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: Nelson sites sociologist Robert Staples, who studied the Portland Police 747 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: Bureau and noted that throughout its history it had acted 748 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: as a quote colonial force that acted as agents to 749 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: enforce the status quo and protect the property of the 750 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: colonizers who live outside black communities. Hell yeah, yeah, yep, 751 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: not hell yeah. That it's good. It's just like a 752 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: well phrased state. Hell yeah for the accuracy for you know, 753 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: colonialism yea yeah, not hell yet a colonialism um. The 754 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: bureau quote the bureau focused their f and this is 755 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: from Kathleen's paper. The bureau focus their efforts on protecting 756 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: property largely owned by whites within the black community and 757 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: serving the white community while providing few benefits and little 758 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: protection to Portland's black community. The PPB rarely protected the 759 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: rights of Portland's black citizens, yet they routinely tolerated vigilante 760 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: um union protection, organized crime, and police brutality within the bureau. Now, 761 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: this is another thing that the p p AS book 762 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: tends to leave out. It does note a few occasions 763 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: in which the police looked the other way while unions 764 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: they were outlied with committed crimes, but it does not 765 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: go into detail about how extensive this relationship was. So 766 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: we're going to go into detail about some of that stuff. Um. Yeah, 767 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's bad stuff. Yeah. Um, But first 768 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: we're going to go into detail about something else. Um. 769 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: In ve a black man named Irvin Jones was shot 770 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: through the window of his house by a Portland police 771 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: officer who assumed the victim was someone he had a warrant. 772 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: For the fact that he suspected someone might have a 773 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: warrant out and then immediately opened fire should tell you 774 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: something about the bureau's use of force procedures during this time. 775 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: A coroner's inquest was held and the jury decided that 776 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: officers involved were not guilty and no one was charged. Um. Again, 777 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this happening a lot. Uh. 778 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: This is kind of at least the first case of 779 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: this I was able to find. Now, throughout the nineteen forties, 780 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: Portland's black community increased from two thousand to more than 781 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: twenty two people. Um. And this again happened right around 782 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: the same time the nineteen forties that the PPB created 783 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: the us is first successful police union. So as Portland's 784 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: black population increased, Portland's police force got more protections and 785 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: became basically immune to being criticized by or at least 786 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: two being punished by the city government. UM. During the 787 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, UH, African Americans in Portland achieved a number 788 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: of civil rights victories, including the Public Accommodation Act of 789 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, which illegalized public discrimination. UH. And at 790 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: the same time, the PPB further their reputation as you know, 791 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: UM police force that was willing to turn a blind 792 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: idle organized crime. By the nineteen sixties, the p p 793 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: B had implemented a tough on crime mentality UH and 794 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: this meant that they were mainly targeting Portland's black neighborhoods 795 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: as areas of quote miscreant behavior. By adopting a tough 796 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: on crime stance, the PPB saw a rise in police 797 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: related shootings, and for those living in Portland's black community, 798 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: it seemed as if young men were getting shot more 799 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: often than you know, basically any other group of people. 800 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: UH and the statistics kind of bear this out now. 801 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 1: At around the same time, enterprising Portland police officers developed 802 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: what was called the payoff system, which is what it 803 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: sounds like. Racketeers would run out licensed bars, brothels, and 804 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: casinos that all bribed officers for the right to exist. 805 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: Since any complaints about in potential disciplinary actions had to 806 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: go through the p p A, no officers were punished 807 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: for taking bribes to allow crime. The local government was 808 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: fine with this as long as all the illegal activity 809 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: was kept confined to North Portland's a k a. Albina. 810 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: So you see what's happening here. The Portland police are 811 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: allowing criminals and gangs and whatnot, often organized by the Teamsters, 812 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: which is a union that supported them, and they supported 813 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: the Teamsters running criminal rackets as long as those criminal 814 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 1: enterprises were run in Albina um. And at the same 815 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: time they were increasing their patrols of Albinia and justifying 816 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: it by saying, this is where all the crime happens. Yeah, 817 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: it's um pretty dark when you look at it like that. 818 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: Don't worry. They put salt and straws in Albina now, 819 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: so it's all gentrified, thank god. So up until ninety six, 820 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,399 Speaker 1: the PPB had only hired two black officers in its 821 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: entire history. This situation had improved by the nineteen sixties, 822 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: but not by much. About one percent of the forces 823 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: seven twenty officers were black. When people started to notice 824 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: that this was maybe a problem. The police personnel director 825 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: asked Captain Bill Taylor if he could be listed as 826 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: Native American. Taylor had a small fraction of Indigenous ancestry, 827 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: although he did not quite identify as Indigenous. Still, the 828 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: PPB made the change to his identity in the paperwork 829 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: and started bragging at Portland had hired its first Native 830 00:44:53,320 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: American police captain. Yes, this is literally like textbook attending 831 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: is um like, it's like just like just exactly what 832 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: every Indigenous person is talking about. What they're talking about 833 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: pretendians is nause It's great. So the whole situation did 834 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: eventually get bad enough that the Federal Bureau of Investigation 835 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: looked into the p p B, and the publicized nature 836 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: of this whole case gave Portland a reputation as a 837 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: city of vice and sin. The men of the p 838 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: p A generally viewed their police chief and appointee as 839 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: the enemy of their ability to milk as much money 840 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: out of the job as possible. Charles Pray was the 841 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: chief from nineteen nineteen fifty one, and he had a 842 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: mandate to clamp down on the outrageous corruption in the bureau. Unfortunately, 843 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: he had no influence over the p p A because 844 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: the chief is not a member of the union, and 845 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: the p p A was kind of the nexus of 846 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: police corruption. Pray complained that everybody at the police station 847 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: seemed to know where gambling was conducted, but that no 848 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: one would talk to him. It turns out that even 849 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: cops are too smart to talk to cops. That's so interesting, 850 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: just that dynamic of the police chief being like, what 851 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: if we weren't, oh bad, and then everyone's at the 852 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: union holl being like, We're gonna go gambling and we 853 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: will tell you where it is. Yeah, what if we 854 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: weren't actual criminals while arresting people? And the union was 855 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,280 Speaker 1: not cool with that. In nineteen fifty four, Perennial Bastards 856 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: Pods side character the FBI carried out a massive wire 857 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: tapping operation on Portland's gambling dens, brothels, and illegal bars, 858 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: many of which were operated by teamsters allied with the 859 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: p p A. Their investigation revealed that by nineteen fifty four, 860 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: both the mayor and the police chief, Jim Purcel, were 861 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: actively protecting criminal enterprises. Purcell was indicted for incompetence in 862 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: criminal behavior. A grand jury was convened, and from August 863 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six to September of nineteen fifty seven, more 864 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: than a hundred and fifteen indictments were issued against Portland 865 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: police officers. Uh, that's good stuff. Wait for what for? 866 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: You know, operating illegal gambling dens and brothels. There was 867 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifteen of those doing Wow, Okay, at 868 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: least a hundred and fifteen officers that were implicated in 869 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: that sort of behavior. How many officers did they have 870 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: last time I heard there were seven? It's like a 871 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: couple hundred. Like it was such a high percentage wild 872 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 1: well in the way that the text makes it seem. 873 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: Basically everyone was on the take to one extent or another. 874 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: These were just the ones that the FBI. Like, the 875 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,720 Speaker 1: FBI was not going to indict the entire police bureau. 876 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: They had to pick the most egregious examples. And this 877 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: is the last time the FBI will be the good 878 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: guys in this story, because it turns out they were fine. 879 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: We'll get to that. By the nineteen sixties, Portland's black 880 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: population had decreased to just fifteen thousand. Remember, they hit 881 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: their height at about twenty two thousand people in the 882 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: nineteen forties. Right, So all of this, both the police 883 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,879 Speaker 1: like directly encouraging crime in the black neighborhood and also 884 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: the police massively increasing patrols in Albina um led to 885 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,760 Speaker 1: about a seven thousand person decrease in the black population 886 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: of Portland's, might of whom lived in Albino, which was 887 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,359 Speaker 1: about two and a half square miles at that point 888 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: in time. In nineteen sixty eight, Kenneth Gervais released a 889 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: study on the Portland Police Bureau. He interviewed a number 890 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: of Portland police officers during this time and found that 891 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: they believed political radicals, professional criminals, negroes, and civil rights 892 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: groups all ought to be subjected to intense police surveillance. 893 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,439 Speaker 1: Um interesting the groups that he classifies as basically the same. 894 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,919 Speaker 1: Um Yeah. The Red Squad morphed into the Intelligence Unit, 895 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: which mostly spied on black activists like the city's nascent 896 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: Black Panthers chapter and I'm gonna quote from Katherine Nelson here. 897 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: The intelligence units spied on black activists and used the 898 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: gathered information to spread rumors that were meant to spark 899 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: opposition from the community. Police often used a relevant information 900 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: to support their charges, and many of the targets were 901 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 1: previous victims of police brutality. Police perpetuated a false image 902 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: of what black activists and citizens were advocating for by 903 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: painting them as anti government, radicals or communists. The greater 904 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: community often aided in this surveillance work and would report 905 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: seemingly innocent behavior is potentially malicious activist work. It's all 906 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: different now. In the summer of nineteen sixty seven, a 907 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: group of young black Portlanders through rocks and bottles at 908 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: nearby police officers. This eventually turned into a riot known 909 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: as the Irving Park Riot, where fires were set, windows broken, 910 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: and a local stereo store looted. Not one specific instance 911 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: initiated the Irving Park Riot. Instead, black citizens felt frustrated 912 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 1: with unsolicited police presence in Albina. The Irving Park Riot 913 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: took place during the long hot summer, which witnessed urban 914 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: rebellions in African American neighborhoods in Boston, Chicago, and Portland 915 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,760 Speaker 1: at the same time that a white middle class hippie 916 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: movement enjoyed what they termed the Summer of Love. Often, 917 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: these riots had no instigating factor, which left police and 918 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: city officials puzzled. In Milwaukee's black community, heavy police surveillance 919 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: of a school program caused the youth to riot. Milwaukee 920 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: Police Chief John Paulson claimed that a hardcore group of 921 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: young hoodlums was to blame. Again, very different, and we're 922 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,439 Speaker 1: talking about the Milwaukee that's a suburb of Portland, Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 923 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: So the Bureau used the Irving Park. The Portland Police Bereau, 924 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: not the federal one, used the Irving Park riot as 925 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: an excuse to intensify surveillance in Albina. This time they 926 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: were aided by the FBI, who hated illegal gambling and 927 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: prostitution but loved them some disrupting a civil rights movement. Now, 928 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: we talked about comteal Pro FBI director Hoover standing order 929 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: to infiltrate, discredit, and disrupt left wing civil rights and 930 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: civil rights organizations. The FBI sent co intal Pro agents 931 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: to Portland, and they encouraged the PPB to engage in 932 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: factory One sabotage effort involved FBI agents suddenly threatening local 933 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: doctors to stop them from volunteering their time at the 934 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: Portland Black Panthers Free Health critic It's just that kind 935 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: of ship where I'm like how do you do that? 936 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: And you're like, I am the good guy in this scenario, 937 00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: preventing healthcare. This is gonna be so popular are in 938 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: the future. Go home to your wife. Would she do today? 939 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: Threaten some doctors? Feeling great they were going to help 940 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: some poor children. Not anymore, they're not not after the 941 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: Bureau got on the case. Just imagining Joe Friday threatening 942 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: a doctor, it's so um yeah. The FBI co Inteal 943 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: pro Unit also got the PPB to lie about Black 944 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: nationalists who were police informants, like pretending people. They actually 945 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,800 Speaker 1: would set up meetings with people who were police informants 946 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: and Black nationalist leaders so that they could then discredit 947 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: them within the community as police informants. At one point, 948 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: they even put out fake information about anti Semitism from 949 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: Portland's Black nationalists to lower their support from the Jewish community, 950 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,720 Speaker 1: who was otherwise very supportive of their causes. Um good stuff. 951 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: While the FBI was forced to disband their co intal 952 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,719 Speaker 1: proteins after nineteen one, the PPB continued to carry out 953 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: similar programs in order to harm black liberal Asian organizations. 954 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: One example of this would be the work of Detective Brown, 955 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,919 Speaker 1: a leading member of the PPBS Red Squad. Brown also 956 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: happened to be the American Legion's top Red hunter, and 957 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: he successfully badgered the school board into denying civil rights 958 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: groups the use of high school auditorians. I mean again, 959 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: like the phrases civil rights. Anyone who's like this is 960 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: objectively bad rights? No, absolutely not. It's fun you say that, Tuck, 961 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: because in the nineteen sixties, another study into the Portland 962 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: Police Bureau noted that six percent of its officers felt 963 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: that the civil rights movement was moving much too fast. 964 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: Can't have too many rights? What will we do? We 965 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: will have anything to police because people will be allowed 966 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: to do things. But who will we shoot a police? 967 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 1: Don't worry, they figure it out. The study concluded that 968 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: quote the feeling that the public does not respect the 969 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: police officer or holds him in contempt will most certainly 970 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: affect the officer's attitude and behave towards the citizen. Officers, 971 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: the report noted, wanted to emphasize to black people that 972 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: complacent behavior was incredibly important if they wanted to remain safe. 973 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hate this. Uh, they didn't have 974 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: masks back then, Like, they don't have much of a 975 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: mask now, but they didn't have any at all back then. Right, 976 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just think about and you're talking 977 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 1: about cointelpro and like spreading rumors about each other, and 978 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: like it's so nice that they don't have to do 979 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: that now because we just have Twitter, you know, like 980 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we can just chill, like they will 981 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: just just do it to each other. Yeah, they're very 982 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: very fun people in general. Yeah. So throughout the nineteen sixties, 983 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: the pp A grew in influence, not just in Portland 984 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: but nationwide. They helped found a National Police Union, which 985 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 1: provided some unity to all the different unions that had 986 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: been spawned by the success of the p p A. 987 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine, the p p A had voted, 988 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: along with thirty other delegates, that police strikes would remain 989 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 1: banned under the National Union Charter. When Jualette, Illinois officers 990 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: had gone on strike in nineteen sixty seven, aft ME 991 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 1: had provoked their charter and the p PA had condemned them. 992 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: But in late nineteen sixty nine, contract negotiations between the 993 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: p PA and the City of Portland broke down. In 994 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, the Portland City Council finally declared the 995 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: city a public employer and bargaining agent and had voted 996 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: to allow collective bargaining for city employees. The p p 997 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,359 Speaker 1: A UH was officially declared a chartered Police Union UM, 998 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: and again this was like its first official recognition from 999 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: the city. Now. The president at the time was a 1000 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,360 Speaker 1: guy named David Callison UM, and he wound up becoming 1001 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: the first p p A president to sign a Portland 1002 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: Police contract. The p PA sat down to negotiate in 1003 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: the spring of nineteen sixty eight. The city wanted to 1004 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: establish a set of ground rules that all seven of 1005 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: the unions recognized by the city would have to abide by. 1006 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 1: The p p A complained about this because they didn't 1007 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 1: think that the rules that bound everyone else should apply 1008 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: to them. Now. They did have some justification for this UH, 1009 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 1: mainly the fact that they had a no strike clause 1010 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: and other unions were allowed to strike, So if they're 1011 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: not allowed a strike, why should they have to abide 1012 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: by the same conditions as every other union UM Now. 1013 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: In the first round of negotiations, the other six employee groups, 1014 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: including the firefighters union, agreed to new contracts and signed 1015 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 1: with the city. The Portland Police did not, though this 1016 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 1: was considered odd since traditionally Portland's firefighters and its police 1017 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: officers had drawn the same base pay. Since the firefighters 1018 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: union had backed the police union and establishing it in 1019 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: the first place, there was a sense that both groups 1020 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: ought to stand together, but the Portland police felt they 1021 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: deserved more money than firefighters, so they left the firefighters 1022 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: behind and demanded more money. The city refused this, and 1023 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: negotiations ground on for months and well into nineteen sixty nine. 1024 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote again from pickets, pistols and politics. Callison 1025 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 1: decided to try to break the impass in a more 1026 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: subtle fashion. He started waging psychological warfare, and this way 1027 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: Callison managed to scare away at least one member of 1028 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: the city's negotiating team. Callison ran the man's name through 1029 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: police uh like like databases and stuff and found his 1030 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: criminal record. He called a friend who worked at the 1031 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: Oregonian and asked him to check the newspaper's library, and 1032 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: the friends sent along a few clippings of articles about 1033 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: the man in question, news of promotion, social activities, and 1034 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,160 Speaker 1: other innocent doings. The guy was apparently purest snow, but 1035 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,920 Speaker 1: Callison went ahead and put the information in a file folder. 1036 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: He neatly printed the man's name on the tab. At 1037 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of the next negotiating session, he put the 1038 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: file in a prominent place as he spread out his papers. 1039 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: The folder caught the man's eyes sometime during the session. 1040 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: He couldnot stop glancing nervously, they added, as it sat 1041 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,840 Speaker 1: conspicuously within Callison's reach. Finally, he could not stand it 1042 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: any longer. What is this, he demanded, Oh, Callison said, smiling, 1043 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: This is my file on you. Callison kept smiling at him, 1044 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: while thinking craftily to himself that surely one of the 1045 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: joys of being a police officer was that he could 1046 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,800 Speaker 1: make people feel guilty even when they were not. The 1047 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,920 Speaker 1: man excused himself and never returned to the negotiations. The 1048 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,320 Speaker 1: joys of policing he could make innocent people feel guilty. 1049 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: That's why I go to work every day personally, is 1050 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,440 Speaker 1: to make innocent people feel bad. I love that that 1051 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: story and all some first illegally using the police record 1052 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: system to try to dig up dirt on somebody, and 1053 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: then when he couldn't find dirt on the person, he 1054 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: just lies and pretends that he hasn't in order it 1055 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: does seem like sort of a useful tactic just for 1056 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: us all to know, like, oh, if you can't do 1057 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: the work, you just make a file and you label 1058 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: it in the work and you put it on the table. 1059 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: So I'll try it. We could talk about how Alex 1060 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,479 Speaker 1: Jones does his show. It is basically the safe strip. 1061 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 1: So despite the psychological warfare, the city wouldn't budge. It 1062 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: became clear to the union that a strike was their 1063 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: only option. The p PA charter expressly banned strikes. They'd 1064 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: condemned the other departments for considering strikes like so basically 1065 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: previous to this, the p p A had told other 1066 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: departments that you have to have no strike clauses in 1067 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: your union contracts uh. And they helped to form a 1068 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: national police union, and they forbade members of that union 1069 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: from striking. But now they needed to strike in order 1070 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 1: to get more money, so they strong armed asked ME 1071 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: into releasing the p PA from its no strike clause, 1072 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: which was removed first from their contract and then from 1073 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: the International Brotherhood of Police Officers constitutions. Subsequently, the p 1074 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: p A has always been the bellweather of US police unions, 1075 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640 Speaker 1: and when they succeeded the rest of the nation's cops 1076 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 1: copied them. Uh so when they decided striking was cool, 1077 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: suddenly police unions across the country were able to strike 1078 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,919 Speaker 1: again and strike the Portland police did, marching around city 1079 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 1: Hall with signs that said crime pays, police work doesn't, 1080 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: No pay, No pigs and other rib ticklers. Yeah, they 1081 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: called themselves pigs there. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's great. 1082 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,120 Speaker 1: Through their crooked arrangements to look the other way at 1083 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: criminal enterprises run by teamsters and longshoremen. Over the years, 1084 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 1: they were able to get both unions to abide by 1085 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: the picket lines and refused to cross them. The police 1086 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: then started picketing the docks, which effectively locked down all 1087 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: trade within the city of Portland. This cratered the local 1088 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 1: economy and the city government was forced to come to 1089 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 1: the table and give the p p A the rays 1090 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: they thought it's that they deserved. Not only did the 1091 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: Portland Police come the highest paid civil servants in the city, 1092 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: they gained retroactive pay hikes for the previous seventeen months 1093 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: that they'd worked without a contract. The whole process had 1094 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 1: taken nearly two years of negotiation, but as the p 1095 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: PA's own Biography states the result was a contract that 1096 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: would serve as the model for police groups around the country. 1097 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any like cute comments. I'm just like 1098 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: so mad. It's a period, right, Like they're even fucking 1099 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,840 Speaker 1: over other cops because for years they would like throw 1100 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,919 Speaker 1: other cops under the bus when they tried to strike. 1101 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: But as soon as Portland's cops want more money, like 1102 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 1: striking is good now, it's amazing. It's so craven. And 1103 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: they held the city hostage. They threatened to destroy the 1104 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: city's economy, which is like seems sort of like what 1105 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 1: criminals would do, you know, just like blackmail a whole 1106 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: city for money. We're good. It does seem illegal, but 1107 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a law nowhere guy, not a law doer 1108 00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 1: or nowhere. You have basic common sense. Yeah, it seems 1109 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, super unethical what the Portland police did, 1110 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: but they're the police. Who's who's gonna arrest them. They're 1111 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720 Speaker 1: on strike, you know, Like, yeah, the FBI is not 1112 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,280 Speaker 1: going to funk with them. Now. They needed to help 1113 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,840 Speaker 1: screw with the black panthers, right, gotta like interrupt those 1114 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: free breakfast programs like it can have doctors helping people know, Look, 1115 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: we'd love to stop the police from holding the city hostage, 1116 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of doctors to threaten. Uh talk. 1117 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 1: That is the end of part one. Do you have 1118 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,919 Speaker 1: any plug doubles that you'd like to plug? Oh? Gosh, yeah. 1119 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: So I make a podcast called Gender Reveals about trans people, 1120 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: and while we're making the show, we also raise money 1121 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 1: to support trans people, specifically trans people of color. And 1122 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: we're recording this on Trans Day of Remembrance, So even 1123 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: though you're not listening to it, then you can retroactively 1124 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: commemorate Trans Day of Remembrance by donating to the Gender 1125 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Reveal Patreon at patreo dot com slash gender. And then 1126 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 1: we take that money and give it to black and 1127 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: indigenous trans people and trans people of color. So, you know, 1128 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,360 Speaker 1: almost as fun as funding cops for like hundreds of 1129 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars a year, you can give trans people 1130 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: like ten dollars, which yeah, might might probably will not 1131 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: be used to tear gas you. Um, I feel confident 1132 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: in making that statement. What was that? What was that link? Again? 1133 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 1: That is patreon dot com slash gender. I got that handle. 1134 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Apparently no one's ever done gender before, so Patreon dot 1135 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 1: com slash gender. That's great, Patreon dot com slash gender, 1136 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: give give some bucks if you've got some bucks. And 1137 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: that is I think the note that we're going to 1138 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: end episode one on when we come back, we'll talk 1139 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 1: had some real, some real bleak ship to be honest. Great. 1140 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,479 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to try to make that fun. Yeah. 1141 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I actually completely forgot to plug the new podcast about 1142 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: Portland's and the Portland Police that this two part of 1143 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: episode was made in part to promote because I'm a 1144 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: hacking of fraud. So check out Uprising a Guide from 1145 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Portland on all of the podcast places, all the places 1146 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: you know where the pods and they're casted, all the 1147 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: all the different spots. There's two episodes. It's called Uprising 1148 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: a Guide from Portland. There's a colon after the word uprising. 1149 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Maybe not our best call title wise anyway. Uh yea