1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: All Right, what's up everyone, and welcome back to the 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: off season edition of Fantasy Football Weekly with your host 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: and faithful narrator, John mcgaza at John mcgaza, how clever, 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: I'll be here with our friend Jake Tembridge. Welcome long Jake. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: How are you and how is the offseason treating you 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: so far? Friend? 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I'm great, Thank you so 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: much for the lovely introduction. Second, the off season is 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: always treating me okay, John, especially at this point because 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: every week, basically at this point, we have something to 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: talk about. The dead zone is very, very limited in 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: the off season. I don't even think that there is 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: such a thing as the off season anymore. But after 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: the combine, we have the draft coming up and we're 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: in the thick of it, John, So I'm pretty excited. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL not trying to make way for MLB to 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: eat up any of those headlines. Things have been pretty 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: busy in the NFL streets, which is great for me. 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: We're talking about this the other week on the show. 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm really very much hand in the dirt analyst. I 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: play in every format. I feel like I play year round, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: though this is my one quiet spot for football. I'm 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: generally going over my dad. We went over some meadow 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: last week. Player moves. I don't like to start drafting 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: until after the actual NFL draft because I feel like 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: it shakes up the snow globe so much. But people 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: are out there drafting, so we're gonna keep them fed. 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: I gotta ask, are you drafting in March? When do 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: you start? 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm not drafting yet, no, no, no, all of my 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: leagues were, and I'm primarily into the dynasty streets at 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: this point. But even that, I like to wait until 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: after the NFL Draft. You're right, there has to be 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: some period of self reflection. I don't mean to suggest 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: that he's constantly running, running, running, but I will be 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: drafting in about a month's time. 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, rest of the weary. Tell that to the 40 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: best bowl djens out there, although I want to give 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: it up and a litle kidding aside, the work they're 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: doing is actually Yeomen's work because ADP now, because the 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: market is in a you know, dynamic state, right doesn't 44 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: stay static and dormant to be reawakened. It's always moving, 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: so I do have tip those people, though I'm not 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: drafting until after the draft. I love to see market 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: matchinations where these pieces start, where markets have initially settled, 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: but as the public kind of comes in and they're 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: gonna change. After the draft, things are gonna get shaken up. 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: Like I said, so let's get right into it. We're 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: gonna go position by position. I couldn't believe there's actually 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 2: news and or notes at every one of them. First one, 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: it's K one Arizona Cardinals turn around and release Kyler Murray. 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: I don't think it's too much of a right, Probably 55 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: not too much of a shock. But anytime one oh 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: one kind of guy gets released, someone's antenna is going up. 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: Last year, a bit more of the seam staying on 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: the field and issue by the numbers, you know, the 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: EPA stuff was good, point fourteen EBA per attempt. He 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: completed sixty eight percent of his passes. This is Murray 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: kept the off target rate right, attends All these really 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: above average, but six yards per attempt less than six 63 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: air yards per attempt not what we want to see. 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: The struggles to see over the line have kind of 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: been legendary. Now Murray is out. What do you think 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: about the move? I guess the first thing, Jake is 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: maybe ideal scenarios. Right, there's a bunch of more quarterback. 68 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Where would you like to see him go? 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few different spots that make a 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of sense. 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: Or Tyler Murray. 72 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: I would suggest that maybe the Vikings, or the Dolphins, 73 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: or even the Jets, or how about this John And 74 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the shocking turn of events, the Raiders do not take 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza at the one to one. They instead decide 76 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: to trade back and recalibrate their team, which is a 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: move that I think the Raiders should do. Anyhow, they 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: have too many holes to fill. One guy isn't gonna 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: do it. But if you can get a very very 80 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: cheap Kyler Murray because his former team is picking up 81 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: the tab, maybe that's an option for you. It's a 82 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: little bit like the Russell Wilson stint with the Steelers 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: a while ago. 84 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: He got paid all that money, then he got moved, but. 85 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: The new team didn't have to worry about that because 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: they weren't paying him anything. 87 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: So it's a little bit like that. 88 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 1: I think, John, do any of those teams Vikings, Dolphins, Jets, 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: or my crazy pick of the Raiders do anything for you? 90 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 2: Well, I think the Vikings pick makes a lot of sense, 91 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: and it's got to be infinitely frustrating because they win 92 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: fourteen regular season games and decide quarterback not really that important. 93 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna let Sam Donald go, He's not that important. 94 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: Fast forward again. Tier for my Jet fans out there, 95 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: right right, we already mentioned, you know, multiple busted first 96 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: round picks for the Jets that have actually gone on 97 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: and found some success. We may have to table that discussion. Hey, 98 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: production put that on the whiteboard. Jake Howard treating these 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: very you know, early pick quarterbacks and maybe the patients 100 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: that was once expressed in the league that now no 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: longer is right. Quarterbacks used to sit. Now they're thrust 102 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: it into it, not just throw it into the fire. 103 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: We expect them to produce or you could see, you know, 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: another jersey before too soon, which is really crazy, man, 105 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: k one of the Jets. I'm really hoping not, and 106 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm kind of hoping not for the Raiders. You might 107 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: be right. I've always been the type that says, if 108 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: I can get the one oh one a QB, and 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: we think it could be an answer. Right, all the 110 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: teams that have tried and failed, K won one of them. 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: I think you take that shot. Though it's crazy enough 112 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: that the Raiders might just do it. I don't know 113 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: if I have a spot for Murray. I wouldn't look 114 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: to go there, though. I do think you make really 115 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: good points about it being an answer, right. It really 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: could be a potential answer. And anytime we change environments, 117 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: Gino one of those guys sometimes something clicks. It's something 118 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: in the training or coaching. So I don't mind that. 119 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: Speaking of Arizona quarterbacks, Boston Globe reports that the Jets 120 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: and Falcons are showing interesting persette. I guess he's out there. 121 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: Arizona hasn't locked him up. I don't know what their 122 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: plans are. Per set historically was fantastic for fantasy because 123 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: of all the volume last year. Geez, what do you 124 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: think about that move? Do you think emptying the QB 125 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: room might be jumping the shark a little bit? Kidding, 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: putting the cart in front of the horse, baby. I'd 127 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: like to have an answer, right, Jake. We say, if 128 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: you have two qbs, you have none. How many do 129 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: you have when you have none? 130 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: When you have none, maybe you have two. I guess 131 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if the universe is true or not. 132 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: The inverse property does an invested property. 133 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm no mathematician or anything, I will say, yeah, 134 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: not only do you let go of Kyler, who I 135 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: do want to point out, he's one of two quarterbacks 136 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL to average two hundred and thirty plus 137 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: passing yards and thirty five rushing yards per game over 138 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: the course of their career. It's just him and Josh Allen. 139 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: So you already let him go. Okay, that's fine. You 140 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: want to reset Jacoby Brissett maybe as a bridge guy. 141 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: He looked Okay, Nope, not gonna do. 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: That either now. 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: If I'm going to stand up for the Cardinals here, though, 144 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: I will say that John Jacoby Brissett he did good 145 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: for fantasy last year because he threw so much last year. 146 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: They threw at the highest rate in the NFL. He 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: pretty much met the league average and most other important 148 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: stats though, except for on target percentage by the way, 149 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: which was. 150 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: A little rough. 151 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: And so I want to look for Jacoby's sake if 152 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: he goes to some place like I don't know, Atlanta, 153 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: where they do need a reliable backup, and they have a. 154 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: Good offensive line. 155 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: There's certainly a better offensive line than the Cardinals did 156 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: last year. I want Jacoby Brissett to go someplace and 157 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: help feed us for fantasy John's that's it. I want 158 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Drake London to have a respectable quarterback to get targets 159 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: from Kyle Pitts if he sticks around. That's what I 160 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: want from Jacoby Brissett. 161 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 3: But for the Cardinals, I don't know what I want 162 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: for them right now. 163 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Drey McBride is hopefully a little bit quarterback 164 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: independent and so we don't need to reach for the 165 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: moon with them. But I've been plucking my brain trying 166 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: to figure out somebody who goes to Arizona to fill 167 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: in in this situation. 168 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: I don't know that I have a good fit. 169 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: John. Yeah, And even with all the love we got 170 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: out of Bresset, it's not like they were winning games 171 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: that were historically bad down the stretch. So there's actually 172 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: quite a few pieces up in the air that really 173 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: highlight the difference between real life football and fancy football. 174 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: Like so, for example, the Cardinals were always throw heavy 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: Murray last year in a little bit we saw from him, 176 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: he'd dropped back thirty eight point eight times per game, 177 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: Brisset just thirty nine point two. But Murray was good 178 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: for one hundred and ninety two yards opposed to preset 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: it to forty. Right. But but but what also matters 180 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: when it comes to quarterback stuff, Jake, of course, would 181 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: be the running Murray, despite just putting up a fraction 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: of the passing yards, put up very similar fantasy points 183 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: per game fifteen point six two percent sixteen point one 184 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: because he can run, so it almost doesn't matter for fantasy. 185 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: You gotta have one or the other. I think that's 186 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: really it. You either have to have volume passing or 187 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: you have to have some semblance of running. But if 188 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: a team is not great and an offense is not great, 189 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: it's not gonna matter. But if your defense is really poor, 190 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: that will get you the pathway to the volume. These 191 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: are just some of the things we're gonna be talking about. 192 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: Let's get out of the desert. Definitely worth keeping an 193 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 2: eye on. I don't know what Arizona has up their sleeve, 194 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: but of course quarterbacking is going to affect all the 195 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: other pieces downstream. I mean, that's pretty obvious. On to 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: running backs. My Jets are in the news. When I 197 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: was on air a couple of weeks ago, I actually 198 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: was thanking bree Hole for a job well done. I 199 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: didn't think the Jets were in a position to you know, 200 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: not so much add but Retaine premium running back help. 201 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: That always feels like more of a luxury pick. Jets 202 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: very bad right now though, maybe a quarterback away, this 203 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: same mystery quarterback away from winning. I was wrong as always. 204 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: Jets turn around with the franchise tag on Briee, so 205 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: he's gonna get paid. So I guess, does it do 206 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: anything for you? Where does he go? I guess, Jake right, 207 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: because we want to be putting these things in fantasy terms. 208 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Bries Hole right now is pick thirty in those live markets. 209 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think it's important to call out that 210 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: just because they use the tag does not mean he's 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: a Jet now, he's a Jet in the future, He's 212 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: a Jet for the next. However, this can be still 213 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: a way to get from a to be four teams. 214 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: I will say sometimes it's for the teams who don't 215 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: know a better path and maybe aren't the best negotiators 216 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: who kind of fall into this trap a little bit. 217 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: Bries Hall, if he really sticks if he really sticks around, 218 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: it is weird because it's not necessarily the position you 219 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: should focus on when you're in a situation like you 220 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: were last. 221 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: Year and maybe the year before that. 222 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: But bries Hall, to his part, I mean, he did 223 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: log his first thousand yard rushing season in his fourth year. 224 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: That's great. 225 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: It's also the lowest targets per game of his career 226 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: last year, just a nine percent target share. That put 227 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: him in Cuba Hubbard territory basically, and that was with 228 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, as you know, missing most of the season 229 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and the Jets basically filling out their depth chart with 230 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: whoever was browsing the Farmer's Market that morning. So you 231 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: would have expected him to see a little bit more 232 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: work in the passing game. That's all I want to 233 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: see out of him. I was hoping that Hall would 234 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: go someplace else where. We kind of knew they would 235 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: utilize his pass catching a. 236 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: Little bit more. 237 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: But now I'm kind of worried we might see more 238 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: of the same, especially as you mentioned, if if we 239 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: don't have a real solution at quarterback, yet we have 240 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on at quarterback. So maybe it 241 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator. Last year it was Tanner rings right. 242 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: I've always said John never trust someone named Tanner to 243 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: run an NFL team, an NFL offense, and I stand 244 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: by that Tanners do a lot of things well, But 245 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: I just if you're listening, Tanner's at home, stay away 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: from offenses. So I do hope that there's some change 247 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: at least on the horizon, but it's pretty shaky for 248 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: me right now. 249 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a Tanner that I 250 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: gets mentioned as catching astray, but I couldn't. So maybe 251 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: you're actually onto something. Now. You make a great point 252 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: kind of about the limitations that we got, and I 253 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: think contextual environment is always going to play that role. 254 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: With that. With that, can the Jets be this bad again? 255 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure the quarterback, right, I think they let oh 256 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: fields even they're gonna change QB. So the quarterback play 257 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: just horrific if you're unfamiliar with I do want to 258 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: work in the betting space also, where I think these 259 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: macro numbers and differentials really come into play, and again 260 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: those are gonna affect your running backs downstream Jets were 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: just the worst in average point differential. They averaged below 262 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five yards a game on offense 263 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: that was you know, bottom three, four point four yards 264 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: of play, almost one hundred yard net differential. Just everything 265 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: is just as poor as it could be, you know, 266 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: bottom three and first downs per drive, bottom three and 267 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: points per drive. So I think the the excuse case 268 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: for briest Hall is pretty much built in. Did this 269 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: guy went out and I think gave you pretty much 270 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl effort. Regardless, he topped two hundred fantasy 271 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: points of the season, which again very hard with a 272 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: terrible team fifteen rushers a game you mentioned, he topped 273 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: one thousand yards. All the efficiencies off not great, but 274 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: yards before contact per rushes aligned to that they weren't good. 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: He did have a forty eight percent success rate and 276 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: a nine percent explosive rush rate. Four hundred yard rush 277 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: games for the fantasy players to get bonuses out there, 278 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: and then double digit teen target chair and nearly ten 279 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: yards per catch. Hole. I think is still Hanshtag, very 280 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: good at football and probably a steal in the third round. 281 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: And remember ADP is just a range. If he starts 282 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: creeping where you know that thirty becomes a thirty seven 283 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: and it's somebody's fourth pick. I'm taking Breis Hall maybe 284 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: automatically in the fourth round. J could you buy what 285 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm selling here on Breee. 286 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that context makes it a lot easier to swallow. 287 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: The days of Breece Hall is like this back of 288 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: the first round early second round guy where he's so 289 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: excited to get Yeah, I have him. Obviously that's gone 290 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: and that's okay, and that's understandable. Yeah, if we're talking 291 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: about the third round, though, I'm still comfortable from a 292 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: volume perspective because they use that tag. I don't see 293 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: any reinforcements coming in behind Brees Hall that's gonna siphon 294 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: away touches. I love Brailn Allen. I'm a UW University 295 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Wisconsin guy. I love me some Brailan Allen. He wasn't 296 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: doing anything last year, Isaiah Davis whatever. There will always 297 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: be somebody to take touches away. But I feel very 298 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: comfortable in the amount of work he's gonna get regardless. 299 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brillan Allen. By the way, he pick one seventy 300 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: five right now, which is also was a pretty good 301 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: serve up for this because I think when we're thinking 302 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: about running backs right now, he's best ball season. But 303 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: even as we approach redraft, I like to account for 304 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: handcuff price in my you know selection some running backs 305 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: that are almost pure running back by committees, you have 306 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: to concede immediately, Jake, you're not getting the handcuff. You're 307 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: not getting the compliment. That was the deal with Tennessee 308 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: last year. There's a lot of these backfields where you 309 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: have to pick one you're kind of not getting the 310 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: other unless you're gonna double tap, in which case you're 311 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: spending a seventh and eighth round pick, which is probably 312 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: a little too expensive to not get two starters. So 313 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: I think that is another little boost for the briefs 314 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: whole argument, because you get him and you kind of 315 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: pick up, you know, the spare at the at the 316 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: very end we were talking about second round, third round picks. 317 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: That brings into our next guy. Now ken Walker is 318 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: not being tagged by Seattle, and I guess he's gonna 319 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: test a running back market. I was one of the 320 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: people that was back in ken Walker early on last 321 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: fantasy season. Funny because I'm gonna be talking about this. 322 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: At some point I was all over Tony Pollard and 323 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: Ken Walker. Weeks one through fourteen. I was firmly taking 324 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: the l right ol for love. But you're gonna have 325 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: the season by the end of the season. These were 326 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: the guys to have right By the time it was 327 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: all said and done, Man, you want a Tony Pollard 328 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: If you're picked him up with Weavers, he might have 329 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: won ye A championship. And in the playoffs we saw 330 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: how great Walker could be without, you know, the compliment 331 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: of Charmoney nipping out his heels all the time. A 332 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: lot to talk about with Ken Walker. He's opening up 333 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: at edp Twenty nine, So right off the bat without 334 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: a home, do you like Walker against Hole? Where would 335 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: you like to see him go? And just go from there, 336 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: because again there's a lot of uncertainty, but Chas is 337 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: a ladder in this game of hours. 338 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: It really is. 339 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: And I do think with Kenneth Walker, the important context 340 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: is what you just talked about, was Zach Charbonet Because 341 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 1: we knew you knew, certainly John Kenneth Walker, it's a 342 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: really good running back. Maybe we should give that guy 343 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: the ball a lot more. And then the Seahawks said, 344 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: not so fast. We're gonna give Zach a chance, even 345 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: though Zach does not look nearly as good as Ken 346 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: does in a fairly large sample size. The expectation for 347 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, then, at this point in the offseason, is saying, okay, 348 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: if the Seahawks aren't gonna give him the thirteen or 349 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: fourteen million that he wants, and they're gonna be kind 350 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: of cheaping out on him and only give them ten 351 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: because goodness forbid that a running back actually gets paid 352 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now. But if that's gonna happen, 353 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: what's the likelihood that he goes someplace and controls the 354 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: backfield versus splitting the backfield fifty to fifty like he 355 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: did with Charbonet. 356 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: I don't think the odds are that high that he splits. 357 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I think coming off of the Super Bowl with the MVP, 358 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: it gets you a lot, certainly in terms of dollar signs, 359 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: but it also gets you a little more credit in 360 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: how much you can handle from a backfield. So if 361 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: he goes to the Vikings who dropped Aaron Jones, they 362 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: have guys there that I'm fine with, right if one 363 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: of them takes up the Mantle. 364 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: It's fine. 365 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: They don't have a Kenneth Walker, so if he goes 366 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: to Minnesota, that's great. But also, I know we do 367 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: this every year. I hate to do it, but we're 368 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: contractually obligated until the day that we died John to 369 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: talk about a high value running back going. 370 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: To Kansas City in the offseason. It never happens. 371 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: But maybe this year it could actually happen, especially because 372 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: they freed up some cab space they sent Trey Trent 373 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: McDuffie over to the Rams. Maybe maybe this is the 374 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: year that we actually see Walker land in Kansas City, 375 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: in which case, I mean sixty five to seventy percent 376 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: of the share seems about right for him, and then 377 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: he's very much worth where he's going in drafts. 378 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: Man, I was looking for this. I had a really 379 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: good source for salary caps. Okay, I think I just 380 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: stumbled on it. Even with the move from Kansas City. 381 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: I don't think they're in I don't think they're in 382 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: a good spot. Casey was in like one. 383 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 3: Of John let us hope. 384 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: I don't know they were in. They were in a 385 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: Although this is funny because and I mentioned you have 386 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: to preface all the stuff with one, I'm not a 387 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: cap ologist. Two the lawyers and people behind this stuff, 388 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: and the freedom to defer. I don't want to mean 389 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: to say it makes these numbers useless, but I know 390 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: for a fact Kansas City was bottom three in cap situation. 391 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: After that move, they actually jump up to number twelve, 392 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: so they are in a positive situation and maybe they 393 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: are in line to get that. I can't believe how 394 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: much one move Ken I'm glad I wasn't too definitive 395 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: on these things, because that's all it takes is a 396 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: star player can approach the front office and re re 397 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: kind of jigger all the AAVs and create space now 398 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: from Buddy later, which again makes a lot of sense 399 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: for guys that are getting paid to King's ransom already. 400 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: So maybe I guess I'm open to dream on that 401 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: ken Walker last year, man, it's really something because he's 402 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: very much split. It is the continent Spider Man, Jeff Here, 403 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: Ken Walker and Sharbonda. Let's say we go Walker Comma Charbonna. 404 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: Fantasy points on the year one ninety one eighty one 405 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: fantasy points per game, eleven point three eleven point three 406 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: fantasy points per snap point forty one to point thirty nine. 407 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: I mean they split snaps, they split everything was really 408 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: so close. Walker was a little bit better before contact Charviny, 409 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: believe it or not a little better after. I think 410 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: he had a breakaway run or two. Walker does have 411 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: the explosive stuff. What we thought though was I mean 412 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: not all of us thought it, but the coaches were 413 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: trying to tell us, at least through actions, that Walker 414 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: was not as effective in the pass game. That was 415 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 2: reflecting in the box score until Sharbone goes down and 416 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: Walker that run. At the end, He's catching three four 417 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: balls at a time at San fran four for thirty 418 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: six versus the Rams playoff three for twenty nine versus 419 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: the Pats playoffs four for forty nine. All of a sudden, 420 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: Ken Walker with everything we already knew about him, with 421 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 2: the added element of being a pass catching back. I 422 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: think I like him overhaul because I'm in agreement with you, 423 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: who's going to give this guy the bag and all 424 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 2: this money fro him to split work. I like to 425 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: think the free agent running back is the luxury piece 426 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: I mentioned, But because he's putting a team over the top, 427 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: we never project thirty five touches a game, but all 428 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: bitch of dollars to donuts, whoever signing him for X 429 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: millions of dollars has it too in front of the attempts. Right, 430 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 2: it's gonna be twenty combined touches, you know, carries and targets. Man, 431 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm wheels up on Walker. I think that twenty nine 432 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: feels cheap, and if he goes to a really great spot, 433 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: I think that price increases. Would you agree with that 434 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: last party? 435 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it increases. I don't know how much room 436 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: there is to increase it, though. If I'm being completely honest. 437 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold you to task down. Hold on, sir, 438 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: and sir, she break feak, breaking news, bringing b b 439 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: b BBB. Walker signs with the Chiefs. You don't think 440 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: he goes in the second. 441 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: Round, second yees, second round absolute. 442 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he can get into the high second 443 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: round or late first round. So there's wiggle room for 444 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: sure from twenty nine. But again, I don't know once 445 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: we start. There's so many names, though, John, You start 446 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: looking at the running back rankings and there's so many names. 447 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 3: Where you go, do I really want Walker? 448 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: Do I trust that Walker is gonna get enough targets, 449 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: because yes, we saw it towards the end of the season, 450 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: but maybe that was an illusion. Right, We've got the 451 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: main guys. We've got Gibbs, We've got Vjon, We've got 452 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: still eight Chan presumably even without Mike McDaniel there, we 453 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: certainly have to at least even think about guys like 454 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: Chase Brown. At that point, I could see him late 455 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: leapfrogging Chase Brown. But that's the tier of running back 456 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: that I think we're gonna have a lot of, and 457 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna get really tricky as we get further into 458 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: the offseason to decipher those. 459 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at ADP. You nailed it. I'm symponica 460 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: with you there on the tier with Brown. However, as 461 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: far as real ADP goes, in case people are unfamiliar 462 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: with your second round backs and is right at the 463 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: turn with genty, then they have Hampton fifteen, Jeremiah Love sixteen, 464 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: without a Home, Barkley seventeen, Henry twenty. I'll tell you 465 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: what I think. I like the versatility of a ken 466 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: Walker in a good spot more than like any of 467 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: the old backs, especially a guy like Henry, you know, 468 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: who is not really catching passes, and if we get 469 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: the healthy Lamar that may stunt the pass catching even more. 470 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: And he's getting older eventually those tires are gonna run both. 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: Not that I don't like to put the negativity in 472 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: the universe, but you know, there is a part of 473 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 2: the game we play that would put that would put 474 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: Walker in an optimal spot at like pick twenty. Again 475 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: we're at the back of the second So yeah, I 476 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: think that feels fair. Which again, if you're buying what 477 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: we're selling of the luxury pick and a good team 478 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: bringing him in, maybe there's some value because right now 479 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: twenty nine there's gonna be some people who are reeling 480 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 2: him in as they are third place play man. That 481 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: feels great. I love that availability. Again, right cast is 482 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: a ladder, there's an uncertainty around the hall. Who's in 483 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: the quarterback. I think he can move up with a 484 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: good quarterback pick and the scene for Walkers. That's pretty great. 485 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: But it actually took up a little bit more time 486 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: than I thought. So I want to get to the 487 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: one big move today that's probably the headline move by 488 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: importance would be DJ Moore. So that came down the 489 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: news feed this morning. Buffalo gets the wide receiver one archetype. 490 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: We've all been dreamcasting on them for so long. However, 491 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: Jake the trade not really getting the roses it might 492 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: have deserved. A lot of people talking about overpaying. This 493 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: may be a conversation for another day, but let's dive 494 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: into it. Buffalo gets DJ Moore and the upcoming fifth 495 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: of Chicago who gets Buffalo? Second feels like a lot 496 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: of draft capital. We've seen a lot of second round 497 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: wide receivers impact the game immediately. So that's why I'm 498 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 2: kind of doing the little vocal fry thing because if 499 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: this was if you were so helpenty're getting yourself a 500 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: wide receiver, why don't you just draft on? Maybe they 501 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: don't have the confidence if of the key on Coleman, Boss, 502 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: what do you think about the more move? 503 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it is a self evaluation freeze on their parts, 504 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: saying that even though this is supposedly a fairly deep 505 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver class in terms of there's no big standouts. 506 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: There's a small tier of guys at the top, but 507 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: there is some depth there. 508 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: And they're just saying we're going for the proven asset. 509 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't mind it, John, and I don't care about 510 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: how much they spent necessarily to get him. But I 511 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: do wonder because Buffalo has this history where they bring 512 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: in a veteran that's on the tail end of their 513 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: prime and they think they can kind of reinvigorate them, 514 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: snap them back in. It's Josh Allen, so make them 515 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: look like a superstar. And yes, sometimes that can happen, 516 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: But Amari Cooper in twenty twenty four that didn't have 517 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: They brought in Brandon Cooks. They brought in Curtis Samuel, 518 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: not guys that were to the level maybe of DJ Moore, 519 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: although I'd argue Brandon Cooks had been close throughout his career. 520 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to project the moon for 521 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: DJ Moore because I've been hurt too many times before. 522 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be fun. It's it's giving 523 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: somebody consistently, hopefully for Josh Allen besides Khalils Shakira, and 524 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: for that we should be appreciative. But beyond it, I'm 525 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: not jumping DJ Moore up into the top you know, fifteen, 526 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: or maybe even top twenty of my wide receiver rankings. 527 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I don't know how often this ADP 528 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: kind of refreshes to capture the newest movement. I'm gonna 529 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: keep an eye on that. More was down in the 530 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: nineties now. I think that probably reflects his role in 531 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: the Chicago offense, which funny, it's an offense where Bullshawn 532 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: generally that he ran thirty three routes a game, and 533 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: he played though targets were eliminated, it was only five 534 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: targets a game for forty yards. You know, fifteen percent 535 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: target per route is really not great because there's so 536 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: much talent here and whenever you get these you know, 537 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: eight D chess playing genius coordinating coaches, which is good 538 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: for everybody, right, the pie grows, it can't hurt some 539 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: players sometimes, and fantasy analysts generally find themselves frustrated because 540 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: that coach is looking to counter punch the attack of 541 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: the defense opposed to force feeding the star, right, the 542 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 2: caveman kind of approach when it's work sometimes time. So 543 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: I think Moore is gonna move up, all right, let's 544 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: play a little ADP chicken here. I'm gonna I'm gonna 545 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: start giving you where. I think More is gonna move 546 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: up because I think as a role as a number 547 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: one guy now with a role change. He's got to 548 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: move up. So if he moves up into the seventies, 549 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: he's next to Parker Washington, Ricky Piersoll. Do you, I'm 550 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Michael Wilson, do you like him better as of Josh 551 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: Allen's one than those guys? 552 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I should say I like Parker Washington 553 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: actually a fair bit, and I think he's being slept. 554 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: On because of the situation. 555 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: Yep, we don't for all. 556 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Of that, though, but I will say I think that 557 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I would still take Dj Moore just above the two 558 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: of them. I'll be curious as you start going up, 559 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna get much much higher. 560 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right, once you start scratching your chin, 561 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: you're probably getting close to the answer. Because once you 562 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: get to pick fifty, it's Joe and Waddell and then 563 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: Luther Burden, right, the other bears counterparts that now are 564 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: going to benefit from, you know, addition by subtraction. So 565 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: I think fifty feels too hot, right, and seventy feels 566 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: too cold, So let's go right in the middle. Sixty 567 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: is Courtland Sutton, Okay, Like I can buy that another 568 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: one on a team with maybe some flaws. It's Brian Thomas, 569 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: which I think I would probably rather go at Parker 570 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: Washington of a Brian Thomas right now apples to apples. 571 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, so let's let's place met sixty before 572 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: we get out here. We're gonna call this a a 573 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: tie in because we did mention Buffalo bringing in veterans 574 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: one guy did work when it worked with Stephan Diggs. 575 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: Patriots turn around and released Stephan Diggs. I'm shocked, bewildered, 576 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: and be fuddled because I thought when they brought him 577 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: in after the injury, the idea was We're gonna slow 578 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: play Digs into an ascended offense, get him familiar with 579 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 2: an ascendant quarterback with you know, MVP. Hopes all that 580 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: stuff happened, New England makes their run. They turn around 581 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: and send Diggs packing. Now I don't need I'm I'm 582 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: like the spreadsheet guy, but I don't want to start 583 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: quoting all the stuff on the spreadsheet ja, because what 584 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: we got from Diggs when we took the deal on, 585 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: I wasn't assuming a said alpha production. The thinking for 586 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: myself was twenty twenty seven was the year, right, That 587 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: was the year when one plus one equals three the 588 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: healthy digs with the repetitions and another year of may 589 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: growth and progression continuity. Look at me doing all the 590 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: eight d chess again. Go play the loser tremone sound 591 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: wah whah whah. We're not gonna get any of that. 592 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: So I guess it's what do you think about the 593 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: new England passing situation? And what do you think about 594 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: seven diggs? Do you think there's any guests left in 595 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: the tank? We're all the arts sometimes these you know, 596 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: these coaches and coordinators, as much as they lie to 597 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: us for their teeth every time they talk when they 598 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: make roster decisions, that's their honest feeling, right, So talk 599 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: to us about digs and they move for the pats. 600 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I interpreted this move not even to be 601 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: about what he put on the field last year so 602 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: much as what is happening off the field for him 603 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: right now. I think there's too much that's happening off 604 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: the field that's too uncertain, there's too much controversy, and 605 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: folks listening, you can certainly do a quick Internet search 606 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: to see all of the details. I won't get into 607 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: all of that, but I think that was more of 608 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: the cause for them dropping him. Now, could somebody else 609 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: go ahead and scoop up Stefan Diggs, who's a little 610 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: bit more willing to absorb all of that controversy. Sure 611 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: the Browns are still there. They are known for vacuuming 612 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: up red flags every offseason, and so this could be 613 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: no different than that. And if he goes to a 614 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: place like that, I'm sure he will have a defined 615 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: role because he did look pretty good on the field, 616 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: especially at his age. I was expecting much more of 617 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: a drop off than we got from Stefan Diggs, especially 618 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: with the injuries and all that stuff. So I think 619 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: it's a bummer for Drake may because I really wanted 620 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: him to have a consistent pass catcher from year to 621 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: year that was not Hunter. Henry Hunter. Henry can only 622 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: do so much for you. I don't care how good 623 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: you are as a young quarterback. So maybe this means 624 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: to Patriots are really gonna go draft heavy for wide receiver. 625 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Maybe a guy like Casey Concepcion ends up. If they 626 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: don't spam defense with their first pick, maybe they draft somebody. 627 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: Maybe they add I don't know, Romeo Dobbs into the mix, 628 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: and free agency there has to be some greater idea 629 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: beyond this. At least you would hope for New England 630 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: because otherwise they put their QB in a pretty rough spot. 631 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be a pass catching plane here. Again, 632 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: this is part of why I'm not drafting, because there's 633 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: so many things to deal with here. They need key 634 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: Shambouni look like a superstar at points. You gotta get 635 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: some word receiving talent in here. Let me just highlight 636 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: just how good Diggs was, just how efficient and excellent 637 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: he was. Let's be careful throwing the baby out with 638 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: the bafota to hear people, Diggs is ADP. I think 639 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: he's north of one thirty. Yeah, he's closer to one forty. 640 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: And for these numbers, but he only ran twenty four 641 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: and a half routes a game. That's a sub seventy 642 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: percent participation. You're starting to border on like secondary option here. 643 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: He went over one hundred targets, he went over one 644 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: thousand yards, over twenty four percent targeted route, over two 645 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 2: point four yards per route, twenty one percent of the 646 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: team target share. And we're starting to see the thing 647 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: that I find most important with these aging elite veterans 648 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 2: are guys that are able to become adaptive in the slot. 649 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: Diggs was not only used in the slot, he was 650 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: excellent in the slot. He ran more than thirteen routes, 651 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: earned three targets for two and a half, catches more 652 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: than twenty five yards, and four scores from the slot alone. 653 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: Those few points, Right, it doesn't sound like Munschie two 654 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: and a half catches twenty six yards. Right, there is 655 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 2: five fantasy points right in the corner of a touchdown. 656 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: We're talking over five fantasy points just kind of baked 657 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: into the cake and all these really high probability throws. 658 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 2: So I think whoever gets Digs is a winner in this. 659 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: I think whoever's drafting Digs right now at his current 660 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: ADP is a winner because I think wherever he goes 661 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: he's pretty much gonna get a boost. Jake, that was 662 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: really awesome. I hope you had fun on our first 663 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 2: On our first go round, We're gonna get to in 664 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: some more detail. Sean Tucker is in the news, Mike 665 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: Evans was in the news. John Smith's in the news. 666 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: But we'll pickle that up every single week. We'll be 667 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 2: here from John and Jake and everybody had fantasy football 668 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: weekly Enjordia Games. Enjoy the day and when you're done 669 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: with the book, enjoy the pay. Take care of your