1
00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:15,956
Speaker 1: Pushkin.

2
00:00:20,196 --> 00:00:23,756
Speaker 2: Tunday at Abimpe is a creative powerhouse. He's a cartoonist,

3
00:00:23,876 --> 00:00:27,036
Speaker 2: a painter, a director, a Hollywood actor, and for the

4
00:00:27,036 --> 00:00:29,196
Speaker 2: past twenty years, he's been the lead singer of the

5
00:00:29,236 --> 00:00:33,116
Speaker 2: band TV on the Radio. His latest offering, another of

6
00:00:33,156 --> 00:00:36,716
Speaker 2: his many artistic pursuits, is a solo project called The

7
00:00:36,916 --> 00:00:41,556
Speaker 2: Black Bolts. Tunday began writing these songs back in twenty nineteen,

8
00:00:41,836 --> 00:00:44,396
Speaker 2: and after a stint composing music for the PBS kids

9
00:00:44,396 --> 00:00:47,476
Speaker 2: show City Island with producer Wilder Zobie, the two decided

10
00:00:47,516 --> 00:00:50,596
Speaker 2: to set their sights on Tunday's growing collection of solo songs.

11
00:00:51,476 --> 00:00:53,876
Speaker 2: Bul Chu, Leo Bunten and Joah Fittlandis of TV on

12
00:00:53,916 --> 00:00:57,316
Speaker 2: the Radio also contributed to the album, which sounds every

13
00:00:57,316 --> 00:01:00,756
Speaker 2: bit as fresh and thrilling as Tunday's past work. On

14
00:01:00,796 --> 00:01:03,076
Speaker 2: today's episode, Lea Rose talks to Tunday out A Bempe

15
00:01:03,156 --> 00:01:06,956
Speaker 2: about how stain steeped in creative projects keeps him sane.

16
00:01:07,236 --> 00:01:09,076
Speaker 2: He also recalls his day's work and as a stop

17
00:01:09,196 --> 00:01:12,676
Speaker 2: motion artists on MTV Celebrity Deathmatch, and why he thinks

18
00:01:12,676 --> 00:01:15,396
Speaker 2: TV on the Radio isn't cool enough to be considered

19
00:01:15,636 --> 00:01:24,596
Speaker 2: INDI sleas this is broken record, real musicians, real conversations.

20
00:01:28,676 --> 00:01:31,636
Speaker 2: Here's Leah Rose's conversation with Tunday out of Bempe.

21
00:01:33,036 --> 00:01:36,516
Speaker 3: So I have I have a theory about how you

22
00:01:36,556 --> 00:01:40,076
Speaker 3: came to record to finally put out this solo album.

23
00:01:40,516 --> 00:01:44,036
Speaker 3: So I saw that in the not so distant past

24
00:01:44,156 --> 00:01:47,956
Speaker 3: you learned how to mix, how to master, how to produce,

25
00:01:49,156 --> 00:01:52,076
Speaker 3: and you started sort of like messing around in ableton

26
00:01:52,996 --> 00:01:56,196
Speaker 3: and you know, you had been in TV on the

27
00:01:56,316 --> 00:02:01,836
Speaker 3: radio for over twenty years, So was was you learning

28
00:02:01,916 --> 00:02:05,956
Speaker 3: how to technically use those tools? Was that what kind

29
00:02:05,956 --> 00:02:13,916
Speaker 3: of like pushed you to do your own project?

30
00:02:13,436 --> 00:02:17,596
Speaker 1: Not exactly. I think I went into that.

31
00:02:17,676 --> 00:02:20,036
Speaker 4: I went to this, yeah, this place a friend taught

32
00:02:20,076 --> 00:02:23,236
Speaker 4: at this school dub Spot, which I think has gone now,

33
00:02:24,276 --> 00:02:28,076
Speaker 4: and did some you know, just just kind of getting

34
00:02:28,076 --> 00:02:30,916
Speaker 4: my head around able to end mixing and mastering.

35
00:02:30,956 --> 00:02:33,436
Speaker 1: And I think it was more so.

36
00:02:35,116 --> 00:02:37,516
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have to wait for us all get together

37
00:02:37,956 --> 00:02:40,036
Speaker 4: while I was making something as a band, and I

38
00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:42,236
Speaker 4: could just be like send people stuff and be like

39
00:02:42,276 --> 00:02:45,436
Speaker 4: here's a stronger basis for this and you can fuck

40
00:02:45,476 --> 00:02:48,436
Speaker 4: around with it or do whatever. But I will also

41
00:02:48,476 --> 00:02:52,196
Speaker 4: say that one of the things that experience taught me of,

42
00:02:53,596 --> 00:02:56,196
Speaker 4: at least as far as the mixing and mastering end

43
00:02:56,236 --> 00:02:58,836
Speaker 4: of it, is that like, I absolutely am not the

44
00:02:58,876 --> 00:03:01,756
Speaker 4: person who should be doing that with any of my

45
00:03:01,836 --> 00:03:06,396
Speaker 4: own stuff. I can do it, but it's it would

46
00:03:06,396 --> 00:03:08,916
Speaker 4: take me. There are things that you know, I'm working

47
00:03:08,956 --> 00:03:11,516
Speaker 4: with Wilder right now.

48
00:03:11,396 --> 00:03:12,196
Speaker 1: Who is just.

49
00:03:13,996 --> 00:03:17,076
Speaker 4: He is however he would put it, I'm telling you

50
00:03:17,116 --> 00:03:20,596
Speaker 4: that he's he's He's a person who's fluent, you know,

51
00:03:20,756 --> 00:03:24,716
Speaker 4: doing that. And I'm a person who, like, if I

52
00:03:24,716 --> 00:03:27,876
Speaker 4: am pushed to, I will sit there and do it myself.

53
00:03:27,956 --> 00:03:30,236
Speaker 4: But it is not it's not that end of it

54
00:03:30,276 --> 00:03:36,476
Speaker 4: is not like I'm more a person who's making tons

55
00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:38,956
Speaker 4: and tons and tons of voice notes and then taking

56
00:03:38,996 --> 00:03:42,916
Speaker 4: those and making demos from them and right and then

57
00:03:43,316 --> 00:03:47,916
Speaker 4: kind of like sitting with someone and fleshing things out

58
00:03:48,396 --> 00:03:49,476
Speaker 4: and leading, you know.

59
00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:54,236
Speaker 1: Like I feel like the it's it's a skill to

60
00:03:54,236 --> 00:03:56,716
Speaker 1: to tag in the right people.

61
00:03:58,556 --> 00:04:02,156
Speaker 4: Forever, yeah, and just be like you were great at that,

62
00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:05,156
Speaker 4: You're great at that, You're great at that, and I

63
00:04:05,756 --> 00:04:08,316
Speaker 4: want you to do that, you know, in conjunction with

64
00:04:08,356 --> 00:04:08,876
Speaker 4: this with.

65
00:04:08,796 --> 00:04:09,396
Speaker 1: This p.

66
00:04:10,876 --> 00:04:13,676
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So how did you meet Wilder? What

67
00:04:13,876 --> 00:04:15,956
Speaker 3: have you known him for a while or how did

68
00:04:15,956 --> 00:04:16,756
Speaker 3: that relationship?

69
00:04:16,996 --> 00:04:21,956
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Wilderford for a really really long time.

70
00:04:22,036 --> 00:04:26,156
Speaker 4: I think we probably met like nineteen ninety eight or something.

71
00:04:26,156 --> 00:04:28,636
Speaker 4: I just had a lot of mutual friends and just

72
00:04:28,836 --> 00:04:32,716
Speaker 4: bands playing around in New York like Brooklyn on the

73
00:04:32,836 --> 00:04:36,956
Speaker 4: Lower East Side, but have just been like, you know,

74
00:04:37,156 --> 00:04:41,476
Speaker 4: really been friends forever and it never worked together. And

75
00:04:42,316 --> 00:04:44,876
Speaker 4: he you know, he does a lot of work with

76
00:04:45,156 --> 00:04:49,916
Speaker 4: Run the Jewels and other projects, and actually got a

77
00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:56,076
Speaker 4: gig doing a soundtrack for a kids show on PBS

78
00:04:56,116 --> 00:05:00,596
Speaker 4: called City Island. One of my my degenerate animator friends

79
00:05:00,636 --> 00:05:05,156
Speaker 4: from MTV as we all grew up is now just

80
00:05:06,956 --> 00:05:12,036
Speaker 4: an incredibly h generous and peaceful and wonderful person who

81
00:05:12,076 --> 00:05:13,916
Speaker 4: wants to put good things into the end of the

82
00:05:13,956 --> 00:05:19,316
Speaker 4: world and made an awesome kids show to soundtrack it.

83
00:05:19,916 --> 00:05:23,796
Speaker 4: And so I kind of I called Wilder to kind

84
00:05:23,836 --> 00:05:25,716
Speaker 4: of like you know, the split the there's a lot

85
00:05:25,756 --> 00:05:27,636
Speaker 4: of a lot of music, and just said, would you

86
00:05:27,636 --> 00:05:28,636
Speaker 4: want to like work on this.

87
00:05:28,516 --> 00:05:28,956
Speaker 1: Thing with me?

88
00:05:29,116 --> 00:05:32,556
Speaker 4: And we started doing that just as as a gig,

89
00:05:32,676 --> 00:05:35,676
Speaker 4: and just kind of halfway through it, i'd been you know,

90
00:05:35,716 --> 00:05:38,676
Speaker 4: I put these demos that I've been working on for

91
00:05:38,796 --> 00:05:40,876
Speaker 4: my own thing of these songs that I thought could

92
00:05:40,876 --> 00:05:44,276
Speaker 4: turn into something else aside, and I started thinking about

93
00:05:44,276 --> 00:05:46,516
Speaker 4: them again and I just let him know. I was

94
00:05:46,556 --> 00:05:48,836
Speaker 4: just like, if you want to tribe something on some

95
00:05:48,916 --> 00:05:52,796
Speaker 4: of these, please be my guest, and you know, just

96
00:05:52,996 --> 00:05:56,676
Speaker 4: like another thing to do. And he worked on two

97
00:05:56,716 --> 00:06:00,236
Speaker 4: songs and sent them to me, just like even in

98
00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:05,516
Speaker 4: the most like skeletal form, and I basically was like,

99
00:06:05,676 --> 00:06:11,676
Speaker 4: if if we can do this entire record ourselves together

100
00:06:11,876 --> 00:06:13,996
Speaker 4: right here, because it was funny because we developed this

101
00:06:14,076 --> 00:06:16,836
Speaker 4: working relationship. This is kind of nine to five get

102
00:06:16,956 --> 00:06:18,796
Speaker 4: we gotta get these notes in, like we got to

103
00:06:18,876 --> 00:06:22,676
Speaker 4: do all this stuff for PBS kids. Yeah, so then

104
00:06:23,516 --> 00:06:28,396
Speaker 4: it was a pretty natural jump to just working on

105
00:06:28,436 --> 00:06:31,356
Speaker 4: these songs together kind of with the same attitude. The

106
00:06:31,396 --> 00:06:35,516
Speaker 4: funny thing of working for a show or SOUNDTRACKINGCAU someone's like,

107
00:06:35,516 --> 00:06:37,556
Speaker 4: you know, someone will call you about something you spend

108
00:06:37,556 --> 00:06:39,676
Speaker 4: two days working on. Just be like this is great,

109
00:06:39,716 --> 00:06:42,316
Speaker 4: except all of it's wrong and you have to have

110
00:06:42,396 --> 00:06:45,556
Speaker 4: to change everything, and you just realize very quickly that

111
00:06:45,636 --> 00:06:49,076
Speaker 4: you can't get attached to anything. You just have to

112
00:06:49,396 --> 00:06:51,956
Speaker 4: It's hard, but again, it's also kind of freeing in

113
00:06:51,996 --> 00:06:54,796
Speaker 4: a way because you're it's this thing of like as

114
00:06:54,796 --> 00:06:59,396
Speaker 4: long as it sounds right in the end. The there's

115
00:06:59,396 --> 00:07:04,076
Speaker 4: a lot of hold up I find, either recording with

116
00:07:04,196 --> 00:07:07,956
Speaker 4: the band or just other projects, there can be a

117
00:07:07,996 --> 00:07:11,916
Speaker 4: lot of pausing going like ah, I'm not sure about this,

118
00:07:12,116 --> 00:07:14,236
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's not even before something's done. There

119
00:07:14,276 --> 00:07:16,356
Speaker 4: can be a lot of hesitation and I feel.

120
00:07:16,196 --> 00:07:18,276
Speaker 5: So that's definitive feedback.

121
00:07:18,316 --> 00:07:19,556
Speaker 1: Yes, definitive feedback.

122
00:07:19,556 --> 00:07:21,436
Speaker 4: And it's also sort of like I know that this

123
00:07:21,516 --> 00:07:24,436
Speaker 4: can go a million different ways and none of them

124
00:07:24,676 --> 00:07:26,876
Speaker 4: are wrong and none of them are right. It's just

125
00:07:26,996 --> 00:07:29,516
Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, do something, does it feel okay?

126
00:07:30,236 --> 00:07:32,476
Speaker 4: Not sure about it? Step away for a bit. But

127
00:07:32,636 --> 00:07:35,756
Speaker 4: also we had a while working on the record, we

128
00:07:35,876 --> 00:07:40,236
Speaker 4: had a code for going back in and working on

129
00:07:40,276 --> 00:07:42,556
Speaker 4: something or leaving it alone, and it was the code

130
00:07:42,676 --> 00:07:44,556
Speaker 4: was is this dry paint or is this wet paint?

131
00:07:45,436 --> 00:07:48,716
Speaker 4: And there were it's great to have someone to bounce

132
00:07:48,796 --> 00:07:51,516
Speaker 4: something off of where you're like, no, I really want

133
00:07:51,556 --> 00:07:53,196
Speaker 4: to go back and fix that, and they're sort of like,

134
00:07:53,316 --> 00:07:55,556
Speaker 4: I think it's dry paint. And then you got to

135
00:07:55,596 --> 00:07:57,236
Speaker 4: walk around for a second and just come back and

136
00:07:57,236 --> 00:07:59,796
Speaker 4: be like, actually you're right, I don't need to mess

137
00:07:59,836 --> 00:08:02,236
Speaker 4: with that. And it's fine that I feel a little

138
00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:06,596
Speaker 4: uncomfortable about it, because we'll see that's the whole part

139
00:08:06,596 --> 00:08:10,396
Speaker 4: of putting something out too, is like that's it's for

140
00:08:10,636 --> 00:08:13,036
Speaker 4: It's a circuit for someone else to complete in a

141
00:08:13,036 --> 00:08:18,156
Speaker 4: lot of ways. Yeah, right, Like this is this all

142
00:08:18,156 --> 00:08:20,196
Speaker 4: these spots on the record that I'm not sure about.

143
00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:22,436
Speaker 4: First off, no one's ever going.

144
00:08:22,276 --> 00:08:24,996
Speaker 5: To know, no one, Yeah no.

145
00:08:25,276 --> 00:08:28,596
Speaker 3: And also, like when you're talking about engineering, like I

146
00:08:28,636 --> 00:08:33,076
Speaker 3: wonder if I'm sort of fascinated by engineering because I

147
00:08:33,076 --> 00:08:36,636
Speaker 3: don't think I have the tools to really distinguish, you know,

148
00:08:36,676 --> 00:08:38,956
Speaker 3: like if something you know, people listen to albums like

149
00:08:38,996 --> 00:08:43,236
Speaker 3: oh this is mixed so well, and I'm like, oh yeah,

150
00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:46,196
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if if you were to just mix

151
00:08:46,236 --> 00:08:50,196
Speaker 3: the album, like would it sound wildly different? But now

152
00:08:50,276 --> 00:08:52,396
Speaker 3: you know, because you sort of have you've seen the

153
00:08:52,476 --> 00:08:52,916
Speaker 3: back end.

154
00:08:53,716 --> 00:08:54,036
Speaker 1: Sure.

155
00:08:54,156 --> 00:08:56,076
Speaker 4: I mean, if I were first off, it was if

156
00:08:56,116 --> 00:08:58,196
Speaker 4: it was just going to be me mixing it, it

157
00:08:58,196 --> 00:09:01,476
Speaker 4: wouldn't be done by no, it would just be it

158
00:09:01,636 --> 00:09:04,356
Speaker 4: just would not and it wouldn't be good. I'm just

159
00:09:04,436 --> 00:09:06,516
Speaker 4: I'm safely I can safely say.

160
00:09:06,436 --> 00:09:09,716
Speaker 5: I'm not like it would be muddy, or.

161
00:09:09,636 --> 00:09:13,756
Speaker 4: It would be muddy, and it would be I would

162
00:09:13,796 --> 00:09:16,636
Speaker 4: scrap a lot of things out of frustration that someone

163
00:09:16,676 --> 00:09:19,876
Speaker 4: who just that wilder would be like, no, just do

164
00:09:20,036 --> 00:09:22,236
Speaker 4: this and this and this and keep working on it

165
00:09:22,236 --> 00:09:22,916
Speaker 4: and it's done.

166
00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:23,556
Speaker 1: Yeah.

167
00:09:23,676 --> 00:09:26,396
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think most of the stuff that I

168
00:09:26,436 --> 00:09:29,916
Speaker 4: was uncertain about on the record between the two of

169
00:09:29,956 --> 00:09:33,756
Speaker 4: us would be more kind of aesthetic choices. Yes's sort

170
00:09:33,756 --> 00:09:35,756
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know if this.

171
00:09:37,836 --> 00:09:38,156
Speaker 1: With me.

172
00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:41,236
Speaker 4: Sometimes it would be lyrics and I would just say, like,

173
00:09:41,356 --> 00:09:46,036
Speaker 4: I like, I'm eighty percent on these lyrics, thinking like

174
00:09:46,716 --> 00:09:51,276
Speaker 4: this all lands really well for me and makes some

175
00:09:51,356 --> 00:09:54,476
Speaker 4: kind of sense because you know, you say with something

176
00:09:54,516 --> 00:09:57,436
Speaker 4: forever and you're sort of like, are these words anymore?

177
00:09:58,236 --> 00:09:58,916
Speaker 5: Oh totally.

178
00:09:59,396 --> 00:10:03,076
Speaker 4: But it's but again, it's like there's some things where

179
00:10:03,076 --> 00:10:05,396
Speaker 4: you're sort of I feel like with TV on the radio,

180
00:10:05,436 --> 00:10:08,836
Speaker 4: I would sit there for a very long time and

181
00:10:09,156 --> 00:10:18,796
Speaker 4: to obsess over certain things lyrically, just because it's there

182
00:10:18,876 --> 00:10:21,436
Speaker 4: was a there was something I don't know that was

183
00:10:21,676 --> 00:10:23,996
Speaker 4: that was a mode of being in all of that,

184
00:10:24,756 --> 00:10:30,596
Speaker 4: Whereas with this, I feel like I didn't obsess a

185
00:10:30,636 --> 00:10:33,556
Speaker 4: lot about things, and if I felt myself going in

186
00:10:33,676 --> 00:10:37,116
Speaker 4: to do that because ultimately it also doesn't really matter

187
00:10:37,356 --> 00:10:38,356
Speaker 4: that much at.

188
00:10:38,316 --> 00:10:43,116
Speaker 1: The Yeah, exactly, it's me here. Yeah.

189
00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:45,636
Speaker 4: And also I feel like with TV on the radio,

190
00:10:45,676 --> 00:10:48,556
Speaker 4: it was sort of after a point you realize you're

191
00:10:48,556 --> 00:10:52,316
Speaker 4: writing something that you're gonna have to sing literally hundreds

192
00:10:52,356 --> 00:10:57,196
Speaker 4: of times, and so kind of like which is a

193
00:10:57,236 --> 00:10:59,796
Speaker 4: bad way for me. I would say that's a bad

194
00:10:59,836 --> 00:11:03,956
Speaker 4: way to think about writing anything, you know, like anticipating

195
00:11:03,996 --> 00:11:07,236
Speaker 4: the torture of like saying this stuff that you thought

196
00:11:07,316 --> 00:11:09,436
Speaker 4: was stupid before you recorded it, and now you're like, now

197
00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:11,156
Speaker 4: it's stupid in public and it's great.

198
00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:12,156
Speaker 5: Yeah.

199
00:11:12,276 --> 00:11:14,956
Speaker 3: Well, is there anything any songs that now when you're

200
00:11:14,996 --> 00:11:17,516
Speaker 3: performing them hundreds of times that you're like, oh, I

201
00:11:17,556 --> 00:11:18,916
Speaker 3: wish that I would have changed that.

202
00:11:20,276 --> 00:11:22,876
Speaker 1: There are two answers, and both of them are no.

203
00:11:24,076 --> 00:11:28,156
Speaker 4: The first first, the first part of it is I

204
00:11:28,196 --> 00:11:30,716
Speaker 4: think I've been and it's worked out.

205
00:11:31,196 --> 00:11:33,156
Speaker 1: I don't we don't play those songs.

206
00:11:33,676 --> 00:11:37,836
Speaker 5: Oh good call, you just don't.

207
00:11:37,596 --> 00:11:41,316
Speaker 4: Play and there but there are a couple of songs

208
00:11:41,356 --> 00:11:43,476
Speaker 4: where just on stage, if I had a lyric that

209
00:11:43,556 --> 00:11:46,476
Speaker 4: I thought was better that I never recorded, I'll just

210
00:11:46,516 --> 00:11:47,156
Speaker 4: sing that one.

211
00:11:47,756 --> 00:11:49,356
Speaker 1: Oh it doesn't matter.

212
00:11:49,716 --> 00:11:52,716
Speaker 5: Great, Yeah, feel those are two brilliant fixes.

213
00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:56,916
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't do it or bend reality.

214
00:11:57,716 --> 00:12:03,436
Speaker 3: Yes, I wanted to ask you about the title the

215
00:12:03,636 --> 00:12:04,756
Speaker 3: Black Bolts.

216
00:12:05,116 --> 00:12:06,676
Speaker 5: How did you come upon that?

217
00:12:07,556 --> 00:12:09,716
Speaker 4: I came upon it just it just came out of

218
00:12:10,156 --> 00:12:13,356
Speaker 4: a lot of free writing. I'll just write, like just

219
00:12:13,436 --> 00:12:17,396
Speaker 4: to shake the shake the garbage can or the brain

220
00:12:17,436 --> 00:12:21,076
Speaker 4: out in the morning, just free write whatever and look

221
00:12:21,116 --> 00:12:24,756
Speaker 4: at it a few weeks later and think, are these lyrics?

222
00:12:24,836 --> 00:12:27,076
Speaker 1: Is this nothing? Am I crazy? Whatever?

223
00:12:27,396 --> 00:12:32,276
Speaker 4: And that was in there and the essentially it's the

224
00:12:32,356 --> 00:12:36,676
Speaker 4: idea of a point of illumination in some heavy darkness,

225
00:12:37,396 --> 00:12:42,076
Speaker 4: and the idea of lightning actually realized, like a lot

226
00:12:42,116 --> 00:12:46,756
Speaker 4: of the songs ended up having this this mentioned of

227
00:12:46,996 --> 00:12:50,956
Speaker 4: lightning or theme of lightning, and started to feel like

228
00:12:51,916 --> 00:12:55,196
Speaker 4: the Black Bolts are. There is a spark of inspiration

229
00:12:55,276 --> 00:12:57,356
Speaker 4: that can come in the middle of a very heavy

230
00:12:57,636 --> 00:13:02,076
Speaker 4: time or a depression or events that kind of seemed

231
00:13:02,116 --> 00:13:06,996
Speaker 4: to you know, obscure, obscure the good things from from

232
00:13:07,076 --> 00:13:11,116
Speaker 4: your sight, but you know the whole You know, thunderclouds

233
00:13:11,116 --> 00:13:15,516
Speaker 4: can generate bolt of electricity that illuminates the whole landscape

234
00:13:15,556 --> 00:13:18,036
Speaker 4: and for at least for a second, you can see,

235
00:13:18,236 --> 00:13:21,516
Speaker 4: like the beauty and it the tragedy in it, you know,

236
00:13:21,996 --> 00:13:26,076
Speaker 4: all aspects of it, and maybe maybe feel better about

237
00:13:26,436 --> 00:13:29,796
Speaker 4: the you know, and actually appreciate that that darkness of

238
00:13:29,836 --> 00:13:30,156
Speaker 4: it too.

239
00:13:31,076 --> 00:13:33,796
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made me think it's very evocative, the title,

240
00:13:33,916 --> 00:13:36,076
Speaker 3: and it made me think that maybe you're making a

241
00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:36,796
Speaker 3: metal album.

242
00:13:37,676 --> 00:13:39,796
Speaker 1: I would. I mean, that's the other part of it.

243
00:13:39,836 --> 00:13:42,316
Speaker 4: As I was kind of finishing it up, I was like,

244
00:13:42,716 --> 00:13:47,476
Speaker 4: this is a very good name for a metal band. Yeah,

245
00:13:47,516 --> 00:13:48,876
Speaker 4: and maybe I'm a metal band.

246
00:13:48,916 --> 00:13:52,716
Speaker 1: Now. Maybe that's fat to do, but yeah, now I

247
00:13:52,716 --> 00:13:53,316
Speaker 1: feel like it's.

248
00:13:53,276 --> 00:13:56,636
Speaker 4: A it's a good It definitely works, and it stuck

249
00:13:56,836 --> 00:14:00,116
Speaker 4: as something that was like a good Like I think

250
00:14:00,156 --> 00:14:05,676
Speaker 4: I before I even started putting songs in order or

251
00:14:05,956 --> 00:14:08,236
Speaker 4: knew that I was making a record, I kind of

252
00:14:08,276 --> 00:14:11,876
Speaker 4: had that as the a guiding a guiding theme and

253
00:14:11,956 --> 00:14:12,876
Speaker 4: guiding set away.

254
00:14:12,956 --> 00:14:13,196
Speaker 2: Yeah.

255
00:14:13,356 --> 00:14:14,596
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

256
00:14:15,196 --> 00:14:18,116
Speaker 3: What is the feeling in you when you realize like, oh, okay,

257
00:14:18,156 --> 00:14:19,796
Speaker 3: I'm about to put out an album.

258
00:14:20,316 --> 00:14:24,956
Speaker 5: Are you excited? Are you nervous? Are you a little bit?

259
00:14:25,076 --> 00:14:25,156
Speaker 4: Like?

260
00:14:25,196 --> 00:14:27,036
Speaker 5: Do you get self conscious.

261
00:14:28,436 --> 00:14:30,036
Speaker 1: With this? I feel like.

262
00:14:31,956 --> 00:14:34,516
Speaker 4: I was around it for so long because it just

263
00:14:34,636 --> 00:14:37,836
Speaker 4: kind of got done and kind of and fits and starts.

264
00:14:38,956 --> 00:14:44,676
Speaker 4: I've been working on it from the end of twenty

265
00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:50,236
Speaker 4: nineteen until last spring. Wow, I feel like just you know,

266
00:14:50,276 --> 00:14:54,516
Speaker 4: with a lot of interruptions, but I feel like that's

267
00:14:54,716 --> 00:14:59,956
Speaker 4: kind of the timeline of all of those songs being created.

268
00:15:00,436 --> 00:15:04,036
Speaker 4: So I right now, I just feel relieved that it's

269
00:15:04,076 --> 00:15:07,516
Speaker 4: actually going to, you know, get away from me and

270
00:15:07,556 --> 00:15:11,716
Speaker 4: out into the world. Can kind of see what that does.

271
00:15:13,156 --> 00:15:15,556
Speaker 4: And I feel like again, another part of working on

272
00:15:15,596 --> 00:15:18,636
Speaker 4: it for such a long time is that I'm not

273
00:15:18,996 --> 00:15:23,036
Speaker 4: too attached or detached from any of the songs or

274
00:15:23,116 --> 00:15:27,076
Speaker 4: the record. I just feel like it's a really it

275
00:15:27,676 --> 00:15:33,796
Speaker 4: has the feeling of we made something that feels like

276
00:15:33,796 --> 00:15:36,036
Speaker 4: a really good gift, and now it's time to give

277
00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:38,956
Speaker 4: it away and it's up to.

278
00:15:38,476 --> 00:15:39,556
Speaker 1: Whoever gets it.

279
00:15:39,836 --> 00:15:43,916
Speaker 4: Whoever gets it physically or mentally or emotionally, it's for them. No.

280
00:15:46,356 --> 00:15:48,636
Speaker 2: After quick break, we're back with more from Leo Rose's

281
00:15:48,636 --> 00:15:50,596
Speaker 2: conversation with Tundai out of Binbai.

282
00:15:54,796 --> 00:15:57,996
Speaker 3: There's a lot of life that happens between twenty nineteen

283
00:15:58,076 --> 00:16:02,316
Speaker 3: and now. Oh totally was there like seasons in your life?

284
00:16:02,316 --> 00:16:05,076
Speaker 3: Are things you were going through that are you know,

285
00:16:05,076 --> 00:16:08,476
Speaker 3: whether it's like personally or professionally that showed up on

286
00:16:08,516 --> 00:16:09,396
Speaker 3: this album for you.

287
00:16:10,556 --> 00:16:14,716
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely the I mean, the biggest thing was.

288
00:16:17,836 --> 00:16:23,836
Speaker 4: Basically I started writing these demos in twenty nineteen when

289
00:16:23,876 --> 00:16:29,836
Speaker 4: TV on the Radio took a break, and then when

290
00:16:29,836 --> 00:16:32,156
Speaker 4: I started to really get into it and decide like, Okay,

291
00:16:32,196 --> 00:16:35,036
Speaker 4: I'm gonna maybe look around for some producers to collaborate

292
00:16:35,076 --> 00:16:38,436
Speaker 4: with or some folks that collaborate with the pandemic hit

293
00:16:38,596 --> 00:16:40,916
Speaker 4: and it was kind of like, I'm not looking around

294
00:16:41,036 --> 00:16:46,356
Speaker 4: to do anything with anybody because everybody's freaked out and

295
00:16:46,396 --> 00:16:49,356
Speaker 4: at home trying to figure things out. So that was

296
00:16:49,476 --> 00:16:54,036
Speaker 4: kind of a rocky beginning to that. But during that time,

297
00:16:54,236 --> 00:16:58,756
Speaker 4: you know, wrote a couple of songs and edging into

298
00:16:59,956 --> 00:17:04,996
Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty, had shopped some things around.

299
00:17:05,156 --> 00:17:07,676
Speaker 4: Like nobody wanted to do anything because I think there

300
00:17:07,716 --> 00:17:09,636
Speaker 4: was a lot of uncertainty, But there were a lot

301
00:17:09,676 --> 00:17:13,116
Speaker 4: of labels who were kind of like, yeah, we're not

302
00:17:13,156 --> 00:17:17,076
Speaker 4: really trying to get anybody on our label right now.

303
00:17:17,156 --> 00:17:18,596
Speaker 4: We don't know what's going to I think it was

304
00:17:18,636 --> 00:17:20,996
Speaker 4: the uncertainty about touring and how people would like make

305
00:17:21,036 --> 00:17:24,756
Speaker 4: a return on their investment. But that was definitely a

306
00:17:25,156 --> 00:17:30,036
Speaker 4: that was a humbling experience. It was like, oh right,

307
00:17:30,196 --> 00:17:34,476
Speaker 4: it's not two thousand and eight. Nobody cares nobody, nobody

308
00:17:34,476 --> 00:17:38,676
Speaker 4: cares about what I'm making and that's fine, which is fine,

309
00:17:39,076 --> 00:17:41,756
Speaker 4: but you know, kind of got it together, put some

310
00:17:41,796 --> 00:17:47,596
Speaker 4: more demos together, and thought about Subpop because they are

311
00:17:47,636 --> 00:17:52,476
Speaker 4: one of the labels that made me deeply interested in music,

312
00:17:52,596 --> 00:17:53,436
Speaker 4: and also.

313
00:17:54,796 --> 00:17:56,636
Speaker 1: Just the really.

314
00:17:58,516 --> 00:18:01,676
Speaker 4: Foundational feeling of you can you don't have to be

315
00:18:01,996 --> 00:18:04,996
Speaker 4: of virtuo, so you can make whatever you want, just

316
00:18:05,356 --> 00:18:09,836
Speaker 4: finish it. You know, it's kind of the the mode

317
00:18:09,876 --> 00:18:13,036
Speaker 4: and you also you know, it's it's very expansive.

318
00:18:13,876 --> 00:18:15,996
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot of teenage teenage.

319
00:18:15,676 --> 00:18:19,396
Speaker 4: Jet fuel from Subpop for me and Yeah, so we

320
00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:25,436
Speaker 4: finally called them and they essentially said, it'd be so

321
00:18:25,516 --> 00:18:27,556
Speaker 4: great to work with you. We wanted to work with

322
00:18:27,596 --> 00:18:29,876
Speaker 4: you and the band forever, which was not a piece

323
00:18:29,916 --> 00:18:31,636
Speaker 4: of information that made it to me until I was

324
00:18:31,636 --> 00:18:33,396
Speaker 4: talking to them. I was just like, if you if

325
00:18:33,436 --> 00:18:35,676
Speaker 4: I'd known that, like, you know, a long while ago,

326
00:18:36,076 --> 00:18:39,956
Speaker 4: it probably would have happened. So they were really very

327
00:18:40,036 --> 00:18:44,236
Speaker 4: down for it, and two weeks after I signed with

328
00:18:44,316 --> 00:18:47,356
Speaker 4: them and they were, you know, into making the record.

329
00:18:48,076 --> 00:18:52,476
Speaker 4: My sister, my younger sister passed away very very suddenly,

330
00:18:52,996 --> 00:18:57,196
Speaker 4: like out of nowhere, and this is the person who,

331
00:18:57,556 --> 00:19:03,116
Speaker 4: I will say, without any hesitation, was like easily the

332
00:19:03,116 --> 00:19:06,356
Speaker 4: most important person to me in my life, you know,

333
00:19:06,716 --> 00:19:10,196
Speaker 4: like sorry everyone, sorry, everybody else. Yeah, that's that's the

334
00:19:10,436 --> 00:19:15,116
Speaker 4: that's the the case. Sorry, yeah, thank you.

335
00:19:15,756 --> 00:19:19,836
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was heavy, you know, really a bizarre thing.

336
00:19:19,996 --> 00:19:22,516
Speaker 4: She was not you know, was not ill, was not

337
00:19:23,836 --> 00:19:27,636
Speaker 4: There was no lead up to it, so that, you know,

338
00:19:27,796 --> 00:19:31,396
Speaker 4: going from I've got this record to make, I just signed,

339
00:19:31,756 --> 00:19:34,676
Speaker 4: and like people are expecting something in a matter of

340
00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:38,956
Speaker 4: months going to I don't want to do anything like

341
00:19:39,396 --> 00:19:43,796
Speaker 4: at all. I have to actually stop doing almost anything

342
00:19:43,876 --> 00:19:48,396
Speaker 4: and just kind of you know, like regroup and take

343
00:19:48,476 --> 00:19:52,036
Speaker 4: some time, you know, to actually process a lot of that,

344
00:19:53,316 --> 00:19:55,596
Speaker 4: because that was one of those things, you know, and

345
00:19:55,676 --> 00:19:57,676
Speaker 4: during I think people had a lot of time to

346
00:19:57,756 --> 00:19:59,956
Speaker 4: think in the thicker pandemic.

347
00:20:01,396 --> 00:20:02,636
Speaker 1: Of just like what is my.

348
00:20:02,596 --> 00:20:08,316
Speaker 4: Life still and think and have and they're they're also

349
00:20:08,516 --> 00:20:14,076
Speaker 4: I think during that time there were a couple of

350
00:20:14,116 --> 00:20:17,396
Speaker 4: other losses that I hadn't really processed that had happened

351
00:20:17,396 --> 00:20:20,476
Speaker 4: in the last ten years, and I realized I hadn't

352
00:20:20,996 --> 00:20:25,476
Speaker 4: really processed them because I was essentially in this band

353
00:20:25,596 --> 00:20:27,716
Speaker 4: that was putting out a record and going on tour

354
00:20:27,756 --> 00:20:29,516
Speaker 4: and putting out a record and going on tour, putting

355
00:20:29,556 --> 00:20:32,236
Speaker 4: out a record and going on tour, and then pandemic

356
00:20:32,276 --> 00:20:35,076
Speaker 4: hits and this big loss hits, and it's a lot

357
00:20:35,116 --> 00:20:38,796
Speaker 4: of just kind of not I don't know if not

358
00:20:39,356 --> 00:20:41,876
Speaker 4: running away is the right way to put it, but

359
00:20:41,996 --> 00:20:46,036
Speaker 4: just suddenly having time and in that, you know, in

360
00:20:46,076 --> 00:20:48,436
Speaker 4: the negative space of that time, all of this stuff

361
00:20:48,556 --> 00:20:51,756
Speaker 4: comes rushing in and you have there's no opportunity for

362
00:20:51,796 --> 00:20:56,116
Speaker 4: you to not think about it. So that was a

363
00:20:56,156 --> 00:21:01,196
Speaker 4: big My sister passing was a big thing. But the

364
00:21:01,236 --> 00:21:05,076
Speaker 4: other side of that is, you know, this person is

365
00:21:05,116 --> 00:21:09,756
Speaker 4: such a humongous inspiration to me. The thing that they

366
00:21:09,836 --> 00:21:13,316
Speaker 4: would want me to do, Yes, to keep going and

367
00:21:13,316 --> 00:21:18,436
Speaker 4: and writing and do yeah, do the thing that like,

368
00:21:18,516 --> 00:21:23,476
Speaker 4: you know, my sister also was a musician and and acted,

369
00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:27,836
Speaker 4: and just do the thing that bonded over and keep going.

370
00:21:27,876 --> 00:21:30,516
Speaker 4: And she would be like, don't you can't. You cannot

371
00:21:30,596 --> 00:21:36,716
Speaker 4: fucking quit because then you would be a loser. She's like,

372
00:21:36,716 --> 00:21:37,916
Speaker 4: and we are not losers.

373
00:21:37,956 --> 00:21:38,316
Speaker 1: We don't.

374
00:21:38,356 --> 00:21:41,356
Speaker 4: Our family doesn't do that. So there's this There is

375
00:21:41,396 --> 00:21:44,356
Speaker 4: a song on the on the record that's dedicated to her.

376
00:21:44,396 --> 00:21:46,876
Speaker 4: The record is dedicated to her and and to other

377
00:21:47,036 --> 00:21:47,796
Speaker 4: family members.

378
00:21:47,836 --> 00:21:50,276
Speaker 3: That which song is that I can see the track

379
00:21:50,316 --> 00:21:51,276
Speaker 3: list on Spotify.

380
00:21:51,316 --> 00:21:53,076
Speaker 5: It's all great out. We can't hear it, but we

381
00:21:53,076 --> 00:21:53,876
Speaker 5: can see it.

382
00:21:53,876 --> 00:21:56,276
Speaker 1: It's the song it's just called It's called il y

383
00:21:56,716 --> 00:21:57,196
Speaker 1: just I love you.

384
00:21:57,356 --> 00:22:01,276
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, very very simple note to her and

385
00:22:01,316 --> 00:22:02,196
Speaker 4: to thank you to her.

386
00:22:02,476 --> 00:22:02,956
Speaker 1: Yeah.

387
00:22:02,996 --> 00:22:05,436
Speaker 5: So how has the grief evolved now that it's you've

388
00:22:05,476 --> 00:22:07,716
Speaker 5: had a little bit of time, You know.

389
00:22:07,716 --> 00:22:13,436
Speaker 4: If you've experienced it pretty significant loss, you know that

390
00:22:13,476 --> 00:22:17,996
Speaker 4: it doesn't it just it gets better in some ways.

391
00:22:17,996 --> 00:22:21,236
Speaker 4: But more than that, I think it just changes and

392
00:22:21,276 --> 00:22:25,756
Speaker 4: it it sinks. It sinks into a place where it's

393
00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:29,556
Speaker 4: on the level as on the same level as the

394
00:22:29,636 --> 00:22:33,636
Speaker 4: positive memories of this person or the positive aspects of

395
00:22:33,636 --> 00:22:39,316
Speaker 4: of your life. But I will say that making something

396
00:22:39,676 --> 00:22:43,036
Speaker 4: that feels like you're you know, that's a tribute to

397
00:22:43,556 --> 00:22:48,396
Speaker 4: these people that you love, or an offering to these people,

398
00:22:48,436 --> 00:22:50,916
Speaker 4: to the spirits of these people that you that you

399
00:22:50,996 --> 00:22:53,636
Speaker 4: love and lost, is it really? At least for me,

400
00:22:53,796 --> 00:22:56,876
Speaker 4: is was very therapeutic. And I don't I don't think.

401
00:22:56,876 --> 00:22:59,476
Speaker 4: I don't think art always has to be that at all,

402
00:22:59,996 --> 00:23:04,436
Speaker 4: but in this case, for me, it definitely, it definitely was,

403
00:23:04,916 --> 00:23:08,996
Speaker 4: you know, and it was something to do besides the

404
00:23:09,156 --> 00:23:13,196
Speaker 4: any number of horrible things that you could be doing

405
00:23:13,316 --> 00:23:17,076
Speaker 4: to yourself totally to avoid pain or grief.

406
00:23:17,316 --> 00:23:17,596
Speaker 1: Yeah.

407
00:23:18,316 --> 00:23:21,556
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, being constructive and continuing to work seems like

408
00:23:21,596 --> 00:23:22,876
Speaker 3: it could have a big benefit.

409
00:23:23,196 --> 00:23:23,556
Speaker 1: Yeah.

410
00:23:24,556 --> 00:23:25,396
Speaker 2: Yeah.

411
00:23:25,476 --> 00:23:28,676
Speaker 3: And it seems like you have like a really healthy

412
00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:31,996
Speaker 3: work ethic, And it sounds like your sister did as well.

413
00:23:33,076 --> 00:23:37,756
Speaker 4: She definitely more than me. But yeah, when I get

414
00:23:37,796 --> 00:23:39,276
Speaker 4: around to it, I've got I've got a.

415
00:23:39,196 --> 00:23:41,156
Speaker 1: Pretty health Yeah.

416
00:23:41,396 --> 00:23:45,716
Speaker 5: Where do you think the drive comes from?

417
00:23:45,836 --> 00:23:46,396
Speaker 1: I don't know.

418
00:23:46,476 --> 00:23:48,756
Speaker 4: I feel like it's kind of like what else am

419
00:23:48,756 --> 00:23:53,836
Speaker 4: I gonna do? There's a lot of it. And I

420
00:23:53,876 --> 00:23:57,636
Speaker 4: think if you conditioned yourself to put your whether you

421
00:23:57,716 --> 00:23:58,836
Speaker 4: know you're doing it or not.

422
00:23:58,876 --> 00:23:59,716
Speaker 1: To put your.

423
00:24:02,396 --> 00:24:07,396
Speaker 4: Messy feelings or bombastic feelings or basically any way, that

424
00:24:07,436 --> 00:24:10,236
Speaker 4: you kind of can't be in this Like you can't

425
00:24:10,436 --> 00:24:13,876
Speaker 4: run around screaming your head off about you know, how

426
00:24:13,916 --> 00:24:18,596
Speaker 4: wronged you've been, you know, by someone, or how excited

427
00:24:18,676 --> 00:24:22,516
Speaker 4: you are, or how you can revel in the nonsense

428
00:24:22,676 --> 00:24:28,236
Speaker 4: of this world and events and people and feelings. But

429
00:24:28,396 --> 00:24:30,836
Speaker 4: I think if you just through making art, if you

430
00:24:31,156 --> 00:24:34,356
Speaker 4: kind of if that's your way of processing the world

431
00:24:34,596 --> 00:24:38,036
Speaker 4: or making yes, that's your anchor in the world, is

432
00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,796
Speaker 4: to be like at least I can write it down,

433
00:24:39,956 --> 00:24:41,556
Speaker 4: or at least I can draw it, or at least

434
00:24:41,556 --> 00:24:44,476
Speaker 4: I can get a few friends together and make a

435
00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:48,596
Speaker 4: short film about it. Then all of it kind of

436
00:24:48,636 --> 00:24:51,076
Speaker 4: makes sense. All of the shit that doesn't make sense,

437
00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:53,716
Speaker 4: this is a place for it to make its own.

438
00:24:53,756 --> 00:24:54,396
Speaker 1: Kind of sense.

439
00:24:55,836 --> 00:24:57,756
Speaker 3: When you guys, So, when TV on the Radio first

440
00:24:57,756 --> 00:25:01,436
Speaker 3: started making music together, how long did it take for

441
00:25:01,516 --> 00:25:03,076
Speaker 3: you to sound like TV on the Radio?

442
00:25:04,236 --> 00:25:09,676
Speaker 4: I feel like it's debatable because I I feel like

443
00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:12,916
Speaker 4: there's so many different ways to sound like TV on

444
00:25:12,956 --> 00:25:15,516
Speaker 4: the Radio and it kind.

445
00:25:15,316 --> 00:25:16,676
Speaker 1: Of kept evolving.

446
00:25:17,356 --> 00:25:17,756
Speaker 3: It did.

447
00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:19,636
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll keep evolving.

448
00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:23,396
Speaker 4: But you know, the first thing that came out under

449
00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:26,676
Speaker 4: the name TV on the Radio is pretty like probably

450
00:25:26,716 --> 00:25:30,036
Speaker 4: a few months after Dave and I met Dave Sidek.

451
00:25:30,516 --> 00:25:33,316
Speaker 4: When I met, we both had all these four track

452
00:25:33,396 --> 00:25:39,396
Speaker 4: tapes just weirdo stuff that we'd made, and when that

453
00:25:39,476 --> 00:25:41,916
Speaker 4: was kind of our point of like, you know, meeting

454
00:25:41,956 --> 00:25:44,676
Speaker 4: and friendship is that we were both painters and both

455
00:25:44,836 --> 00:25:48,196
Speaker 4: like made silly four track stuff or not so silly

456
00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:52,556
Speaker 4: four track stuff. And that was a compilation of that

457
00:25:52,636 --> 00:25:55,956
Speaker 4: four track stuff, which was all over the place and

458
00:25:56,116 --> 00:25:58,076
Speaker 4: some songs that were a little more I guess, like

459
00:25:58,156 --> 00:26:02,636
Speaker 4: quote unquote produced that we made together. And to me

460
00:26:02,836 --> 00:26:04,996
Speaker 4: that sounded like TV on the radio. It's like, this

461
00:26:05,196 --> 00:26:08,316
Speaker 4: can be recorded in a basement with like one mic,

462
00:26:08,516 --> 00:26:11,076
Speaker 4: or it can be recorded in like a super cheap

463
00:26:11,076 --> 00:26:15,396
Speaker 4: studio with you know, equipment present. And then and then

464
00:26:15,436 --> 00:26:20,756
Speaker 4: with the Young Liar's EP, it got more real bandy yeah,

465
00:26:20,796 --> 00:26:23,236
Speaker 4: and that to me is also like you know, that's

466
00:26:23,276 --> 00:26:27,556
Speaker 4: to me, I guess would be the a solid a

467
00:26:27,676 --> 00:26:30,916
Speaker 4: solid version of the first iteration of a TV on

468
00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:34,076
Speaker 4: the radio sign and then desperate youth. Like we didn't

469
00:26:34,076 --> 00:26:37,636
Speaker 4: know what we were doing, so it was kind of like, is.

470
00:26:37,556 --> 00:26:39,636
Speaker 5: That why there's like two titles for the album?

471
00:26:39,956 --> 00:26:42,956
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, yeah, it's that, And just like I feel

472
00:26:42,996 --> 00:26:45,236
Speaker 4: like in a lot of ways, it was a step

473
00:26:45,316 --> 00:26:47,876
Speaker 4: backwards because we didn't know what we were doing. Not

474
00:26:47,916 --> 00:26:49,836
Speaker 4: in a bad way really, but just like kind of

475
00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:51,516
Speaker 4: in a way of like, well what are we doing?

476
00:26:51,516 --> 00:26:54,876
Speaker 4: Because we went from working occasionally on this thing that

477
00:26:54,956 --> 00:26:58,916
Speaker 4: turned into an EP that might have been a longer record,

478
00:26:59,156 --> 00:27:00,956
Speaker 4: except that someone heard it and wanted to put it

479
00:27:00,956 --> 00:27:03,236
Speaker 4: out and then yeah, they're like, we're giving you a

480
00:27:03,276 --> 00:27:06,316
Speaker 4: record deal, so let's make the next thing right now,

481
00:27:06,356 --> 00:27:08,996
Speaker 4: and we're sort of like, I don't know what that is.

482
00:27:09,116 --> 00:27:11,636
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know how to you know, Like.

483
00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:15,796
Speaker 4: At least my my observation from it was there was

484
00:27:16,236 --> 00:27:20,196
Speaker 4: a certain amount of new panic about what needed to

485
00:27:20,316 --> 00:27:23,796
Speaker 4: happen and ideas about what it should be, and all.

486
00:27:23,676 --> 00:27:27,116
Speaker 3: Of that was that like inner band conversations or from

487
00:27:27,156 --> 00:27:29,676
Speaker 3: the outside.

488
00:27:28,636 --> 00:27:30,636
Speaker 1: I think from both.

489
00:27:32,276 --> 00:27:34,676
Speaker 4: Just what should this be now instead of just making

490
00:27:34,716 --> 00:27:37,316
Speaker 4: it and saying that's what it is, you know, because

491
00:27:37,316 --> 00:27:40,916
Speaker 4: what should this be? As a real waste of time, yeah,

492
00:27:41,116 --> 00:27:41,676
Speaker 4: you don't know.

493
00:27:42,676 --> 00:27:44,196
Speaker 1: But then after that.

494
00:27:45,636 --> 00:27:49,556
Speaker 4: Cookie Mountain became that's when you know, we we we

495
00:27:49,636 --> 00:27:52,396
Speaker 4: locked in. We locked ourselves in and we locked in,

496
00:27:53,476 --> 00:27:57,076
Speaker 4: and then that turned into a new iteration of the sound.

497
00:27:57,436 --> 00:27:59,516
Speaker 4: But I, you know, I guess I would I would

498
00:27:59,996 --> 00:28:04,996
Speaker 4: probably say, like the first EP was pretty pretty locked

499
00:28:04,996 --> 00:28:08,116
Speaker 4: down at least on on the recordings.

500
00:28:08,836 --> 00:28:11,756
Speaker 5: Did you do you like it? The first EP?

501
00:28:12,836 --> 00:28:13,516
Speaker 1: I really liked it?

502
00:28:13,596 --> 00:28:16,876
Speaker 4: Yeah, which was no, it was and it's a real

503
00:28:17,076 --> 00:28:23,596
Speaker 4: you know it marks a certain spot in time, just

504
00:28:23,596 --> 00:28:27,236
Speaker 4: like emotionally and yeah, just feeling feeling wise, it's I

505
00:28:27,396 --> 00:28:33,076
Speaker 4: actually haven't listened to I haven't listened to anything that

506
00:28:33,116 --> 00:28:39,276
Speaker 4: we've done in its entirety, Like I'll listen to it

507
00:28:39,436 --> 00:28:43,596
Speaker 4: when it's done being mixed and mastered probably I'll listen

508
00:28:43,636 --> 00:28:46,556
Speaker 4: to everything the whole way through, but I haven't looked,

509
00:28:46,596 --> 00:28:48,956
Speaker 4: so I haven't listened to Young Liars like since in

510
00:28:48,996 --> 00:28:50,996
Speaker 4: its entirety since it came out, But.

511
00:28:51,996 --> 00:28:53,956
Speaker 3: So why not just like throw it on one day?

512
00:28:54,116 --> 00:28:57,956
Speaker 3: Like it's what's the why not listen to it?

513
00:29:00,276 --> 00:29:02,796
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that you know that the touch

514
00:29:04,036 --> 00:29:04,676
Speaker 1: was that.

515
00:29:06,076 --> 00:29:08,556
Speaker 4: There's a Christopher Walking Home movie is it the Dead

516
00:29:08,636 --> 00:29:11,996
Speaker 4: Zone where touches people and suddenly like flood of emotions

517
00:29:11,996 --> 00:29:13,996
Speaker 4: and like you can see everything that's happened to them

518
00:29:13,996 --> 00:29:15,876
Speaker 4: and will happen to them. It's kind of like that

519
00:29:15,996 --> 00:29:17,596
Speaker 4: where it's like, oh, something like oh this is good,

520
00:29:17,636 --> 00:29:19,716
Speaker 4: and then I'll like hear one thing and just be like, oh,

521
00:29:19,756 --> 00:29:21,996
Speaker 4: what a terrible time that was where I did this

522
00:29:22,076 --> 00:29:23,036
Speaker 4: and did that and all that.

523
00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:27,436
Speaker 1: But it's less and less. But if I hear it

524
00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:29,116
Speaker 1: when it's on, if it's on somewhere.

525
00:29:29,516 --> 00:29:32,996
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm never like, I'm very rarely am I

526
00:29:33,276 --> 00:29:34,436
Speaker 4: cringing about it?

527
00:29:34,836 --> 00:29:35,516
Speaker 5: Oh that's good.

528
00:29:36,116 --> 00:29:38,396
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I like I like the fact that we,

529
00:29:38,516 --> 00:29:40,876
Speaker 4: you know, we got it together and made this thing

530
00:29:40,956 --> 00:29:44,796
Speaker 4: that didn't I know that people just like, you know,

531
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,036
Speaker 4: it's like, well, doesn't sound like anything else. And I

532
00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:48,716
Speaker 4: was like, but that's the point, Like, no one should

533
00:29:48,756 --> 00:29:50,316
Speaker 4: sound like anything else.

534
00:29:50,636 --> 00:29:51,476
Speaker 5: It's so good.

535
00:29:51,596 --> 00:29:54,836
Speaker 4: But it's it was also so good be able to make,

536
00:29:55,036 --> 00:29:57,356
Speaker 4: you know, get it together with your friends and make

537
00:29:57,436 --> 00:30:01,276
Speaker 4: something that sounded like good and fresh and new to

538
00:30:01,516 --> 00:30:02,636
Speaker 4: and honest, you know.

539
00:30:02,716 --> 00:30:05,236
Speaker 5: To you and you knew it was fresh and new

540
00:30:05,316 --> 00:30:08,116
Speaker 5: when you were making it. Did you have perspective?

541
00:30:08,836 --> 00:30:11,236
Speaker 1: Will? The perspective was kind of.

542
00:30:13,756 --> 00:30:15,836
Speaker 4: And it was weird because it was I think the

543
00:30:15,916 --> 00:30:20,876
Speaker 4: perspective was it was very shortly after September eleventh that

544
00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:24,556
Speaker 4: we started making that would ended up being that EP,

545
00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:29,996
Speaker 4: And I think the deal was this is the this

546
00:30:30,076 --> 00:30:33,556
Speaker 4: is the most important thing to us right now, is

547
00:30:33,596 --> 00:30:36,276
Speaker 4: that we can we can create this reality that we

548
00:30:36,316 --> 00:30:39,356
Speaker 4: can swim in and live in and like energize ourselves with.

549
00:30:40,076 --> 00:30:41,996
Speaker 4: So it was a you know, for as much of

550
00:30:42,036 --> 00:30:47,076
Speaker 4: a whatever that whatever mood that that EP puts people in.

551
00:30:47,156 --> 00:30:50,036
Speaker 4: It was definitely it was an odd kind of pick

552
00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:54,036
Speaker 4: me up for all of us to work This is

553
00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:58,756
Speaker 4: you know, this is something something we have control over

554
00:30:58,956 --> 00:31:01,756
Speaker 4: and it's also something that like we can do anything with.

555
00:31:01,876 --> 00:31:05,036
Speaker 4: So that was a real that's that's that feeling was

556
00:31:05,076 --> 00:31:06,356
Speaker 4: inspiring working on.

557
00:31:06,396 --> 00:31:08,556
Speaker 5: Oh, totally. Yeah, empowering.

558
00:31:08,636 --> 00:31:11,956
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a similar to what you were saying about

559
00:31:12,276 --> 00:31:14,956
Speaker 3: the grief with your new album is having sort of

560
00:31:14,996 --> 00:31:19,036
Speaker 3: some you know, like a creative life raft at the time,

561
00:31:19,596 --> 00:31:23,836
Speaker 3: something to focus on and something to pour you know,

562
00:31:23,956 --> 00:31:25,276
Speaker 3: pour yourself into and.

563
00:31:25,196 --> 00:31:26,276
Speaker 5: Process emotion through.

564
00:31:26,836 --> 00:31:27,396
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

565
00:31:28,676 --> 00:31:31,916
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. That's a great thing, great thing to have.

566
00:31:33,236 --> 00:31:35,876
Speaker 3: I saw when I was just like getting ready for

567
00:31:35,916 --> 00:31:39,476
Speaker 3: this interview, I saw that Spotify, you know, Spotify makes

568
00:31:39,516 --> 00:31:42,556
Speaker 3: different playlists and they have a cover image for the playlists,

569
00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:45,916
Speaker 3: and I saw that TV on the Radio is the

570
00:31:45,956 --> 00:31:52,876
Speaker 3: cover image for the Indie Sleeves playlist. Really, yes, right now?

571
00:31:54,236 --> 00:31:57,236
Speaker 3: What does that make sure it's your new it's a

572
00:31:57,276 --> 00:31:58,516
Speaker 3: new promo picture.

573
00:31:58,396 --> 00:32:00,716
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Is it a black and white picture?

574
00:32:02,196 --> 00:32:02,596
Speaker 5: Might be.

575
00:32:04,196 --> 00:32:07,196
Speaker 1: That's where the we're the delegates from Indie Sleeves.

576
00:32:07,556 --> 00:32:11,676
Speaker 3: Yes, So I'm wondering now that, like, you know, I

577
00:32:11,676 --> 00:32:12,956
Speaker 3: don't know if you saw that yacht.

578
00:32:12,876 --> 00:32:15,436
Speaker 5: Rock documentary, No, I want to.

579
00:32:16,756 --> 00:32:18,756
Speaker 3: It's really great, but it turns out a lot of

580
00:32:18,756 --> 00:32:22,036
Speaker 3: people who were considered yacht rock, which is a term

581
00:32:22,196 --> 00:32:25,156
Speaker 3: that was made up by like a online comedy group,

582
00:32:26,676 --> 00:32:29,436
Speaker 3: a lot of the people who are in that category,

583
00:32:29,596 --> 00:32:34,996
Speaker 3: that that genre, you know, don't like that, don't like

584
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:38,196
Speaker 3: that classification. So I'm wondering for you now, sitting where

585
00:32:38,196 --> 00:32:40,636
Speaker 3: you're sitting, like, how does how does Indi Sleis sit

586
00:32:40,716 --> 00:32:41,716
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five?

587
00:32:43,156 --> 00:32:45,156
Speaker 5: And was it even real? Is it a thing?

588
00:32:46,996 --> 00:32:52,836
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't Yeah, I don't know.

589
00:32:53,276 --> 00:32:57,996
Speaker 4: I uh, It's really it's interesting to me because I

590
00:32:58,036 --> 00:33:05,276
Speaker 4: think when you're in something, it's also very odd because

591
00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:08,556
Speaker 4: you like, I'll never have the bird's eye view of

592
00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:13,196
Speaker 4: someone who, like, twenty years later can look at whatever

593
00:33:13,716 --> 00:33:17,796
Speaker 4: set of images, whatever set of songs or records or

594
00:33:18,516 --> 00:33:22,596
Speaker 4: you know, the first person accounts or rock critic reviews, like,

595
00:33:22,596 --> 00:33:25,636
Speaker 4: I'll never have that overview. It kind of just my

596
00:33:25,796 --> 00:33:29,156
Speaker 4: overview is I started making stuff with my friends, and

597
00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:32,036
Speaker 4: we went to see other friends who made stuff with

598
00:33:32,076 --> 00:33:32,556
Speaker 4: their friends.

599
00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:33,716
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we all.

600
00:33:33,596 --> 00:33:37,436
Speaker 4: And no one had a cell phone there wasn't any internet.

601
00:33:36,996 --> 00:33:40,316
Speaker 4: We got to we got to kind of we had

602
00:33:40,636 --> 00:33:44,076
Speaker 4: really cheap rent and got to make things. Yeah, but

603
00:33:44,316 --> 00:33:46,516
Speaker 4: I personally don't feel like our band was cool enough

604
00:33:46,556 --> 00:33:48,196
Speaker 4: to be part of the indie sleeves.

605
00:33:48,796 --> 00:33:52,796
Speaker 1: See. I just don't. I don't. I didn't see it.

606
00:33:53,476 --> 00:33:55,196
Speaker 4: But there's also one of those things where people talk

607
00:33:55,236 --> 00:34:00,716
Speaker 4: about Electroclash, and I feel like the Electroclash movement was

608
00:34:00,756 --> 00:34:05,036
Speaker 4: like five weekends at this bar called Luxe and then

609
00:34:05,076 --> 00:34:06,196
Speaker 4: it was that was it.

610
00:34:06,196 --> 00:34:08,516
Speaker 1: It was over, you know, but it was.

611
00:34:08,436 --> 00:34:11,476
Speaker 4: This holding just like Electroclash, like you know, blew through

612
00:34:12,036 --> 00:34:13,036
Speaker 4: Blue through New York.

613
00:34:13,076 --> 00:34:14,076
Speaker 1: It was this huge movement.

614
00:34:14,116 --> 00:34:18,796
Speaker 4: I was like, at least Williamsburgers.

615
00:34:21,916 --> 00:34:22,196
Speaker 1: Yeah.

616
00:34:22,236 --> 00:34:25,036
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it is it's it's funny, it is.

617
00:34:25,196 --> 00:34:28,076
Speaker 4: It's funny to me to see that that's a thing

618
00:34:28,156 --> 00:34:32,196
Speaker 4: because it makes me think about it makes me think

619
00:34:32,196 --> 00:34:35,756
Speaker 4: about Seattle and Grudge and or.

620
00:34:35,756 --> 00:34:36,996
Speaker 5: Even like the Summer of Love.

621
00:34:37,356 --> 00:34:39,436
Speaker 3: You know, that was also a pretty short period that

622
00:34:39,596 --> 00:34:41,876
Speaker 3: is like, oh my gosh, we're still talking about it.

623
00:34:41,836 --> 00:34:43,596
Speaker 1: And we're still talking about it, and I don't.

624
00:34:43,756 --> 00:34:45,756
Speaker 4: I mean, and I'm sure like if you talk to

625
00:34:45,796 --> 00:34:48,196
Speaker 4: someone from when that was happening. They can give you

626
00:34:48,276 --> 00:34:51,436
Speaker 4: a list of you know, you felt like something was

627
00:34:51,516 --> 00:34:58,836
Speaker 4: going on, but it's also the I feel like with

628
00:34:59,796 --> 00:35:01,916
Speaker 4: us and our and I'm you know, I guess like

629
00:35:01,956 --> 00:35:06,276
Speaker 4: speaking from myself, but the feeling that all of that

630
00:35:06,356 --> 00:35:10,716
Speaker 4: stuff was active and alive and fleet and not something

631
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:13,836
Speaker 4: that like like we're making the stuff that we're gonna

632
00:35:14,156 --> 00:35:16,476
Speaker 4: preserve in a glass case and it's gonna stand the

633
00:35:16,516 --> 00:35:18,716
Speaker 4: test of time. Like I feel like it was very

634
00:35:18,916 --> 00:35:23,396
Speaker 4: much this is immediate moment to moment.

635
00:35:25,316 --> 00:35:27,436
Speaker 2: After one last quick break, we're back with the rest

636
00:35:27,436 --> 00:35:31,636
Speaker 2: of Leo Rose's conversation with Tunday out of Bemba.

637
00:35:34,716 --> 00:35:37,396
Speaker 3: I'm sure you you are aware of this, but Wolf,

638
00:35:37,516 --> 00:35:39,076
Speaker 3: like me, was playing at the Super Bowl.

639
00:35:40,236 --> 00:35:42,876
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, I heard a friend told me that too,

640
00:35:43,316 --> 00:35:47,996
Speaker 4: which is was it in a It's It's weird. It's

641
00:35:48,036 --> 00:35:54,476
Speaker 4: one of those things where you'll get an email like

642
00:35:54,796 --> 00:35:58,076
Speaker 4: like three or four years ago or something saying just

643
00:35:58,076 --> 00:36:00,116
Speaker 4: like we're going to use this for a commercial for

644
00:36:00,196 --> 00:36:03,156
Speaker 4: fifteen seconds or whatever, and you're like, okay, that's that,

645
00:36:03,516 --> 00:36:05,676
Speaker 4: and then you'd have no idea where it shows up.

646
00:36:06,396 --> 00:36:08,276
Speaker 5: Is that like a nice check though? Like is that

647
00:36:08,356 --> 00:36:08,876
Speaker 5: a good thing?

648
00:36:10,356 --> 00:36:10,596
Speaker 4: Yeah?

649
00:36:10,636 --> 00:36:13,036
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many times they played it.

650
00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:16,036
Speaker 3: I think I saw so I looked it up on

651
00:36:16,956 --> 00:36:21,156
Speaker 3: Reddit and apparently, I guess Fox NFL plays it in

652
00:36:21,196 --> 00:36:22,036
Speaker 3: their broadcasts.

653
00:36:22,396 --> 00:36:29,356
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, is it a nice check? I don't know.

654
00:36:29,476 --> 00:36:31,876
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see, but I it's a check.

655
00:36:32,476 --> 00:36:33,796
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's nice.

656
00:36:34,556 --> 00:36:39,276
Speaker 4: It's a check. It's also like, I don't know, I

657
00:36:39,676 --> 00:36:42,796
Speaker 4: got laundry lists, I got subscriptions and issues with all

658
00:36:42,836 --> 00:36:45,956
Speaker 4: of that stuff. But I'm glad people are hearing the song.

659
00:36:47,276 --> 00:36:49,156
Speaker 4: The vessel isn't always awesome.

660
00:36:49,876 --> 00:36:51,716
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, but.

661
00:36:51,716 --> 00:36:53,836
Speaker 1: I'm glad people are hearing the song. Yeah.

662
00:36:53,876 --> 00:36:55,956
Speaker 3: Did you have an expectation, because I know, growing up

663
00:36:55,996 --> 00:37:00,716
Speaker 3: you've always been into art, You've always drawn. Did you

664
00:37:00,756 --> 00:37:04,836
Speaker 3: have an expectation at any point to make money or

665
00:37:05,436 --> 00:37:06,916
Speaker 3: was it like a total surprise.

666
00:37:08,116 --> 00:37:11,796
Speaker 4: I think I've always well, I was in an expectation

667
00:37:11,876 --> 00:37:14,916
Speaker 4: to have a job. Yeah, to turn it like where

668
00:37:14,916 --> 00:37:18,356
Speaker 4: I knew. It's like, this isn't a It's not a

669
00:37:18,396 --> 00:37:21,996
Speaker 4: hobby for me, like for better or or worse, because

670
00:37:21,996 --> 00:37:26,436
Speaker 4: I'm incapable of doing anything else, you know, like well

671
00:37:27,716 --> 00:37:29,796
Speaker 4: or just this is what I've been doing and what

672
00:37:29,836 --> 00:37:32,316
Speaker 4: I want to do. But you know, you have examples

673
00:37:32,316 --> 00:37:36,476
Speaker 4: that like when I the first thing I thought I

674
00:37:36,556 --> 00:37:40,636
Speaker 4: was going to do was make comics, like make underground

675
00:37:40,796 --> 00:37:43,236
Speaker 4: comics or you know, at first I think it was

676
00:37:43,316 --> 00:37:44,516
Speaker 4: much younger. I was like, I'm going to do a

677
00:37:44,516 --> 00:37:45,876
Speaker 4: comic strip like Helvin Hobbs.

678
00:37:46,396 --> 00:37:47,116
Speaker 5: Yeah.

679
00:37:47,236 --> 00:37:54,316
Speaker 4: Of course, like telling my dad that, who's like an

680
00:37:54,396 --> 00:37:56,836
Speaker 4: immigrant from Nigeria who grew up in a village and

681
00:37:56,876 --> 00:37:58,836
Speaker 4: worked his way up to being like, you know, a

682
00:37:58,876 --> 00:38:02,876
Speaker 4: medical director and a hospital somewhere. He's like, well, how

683
00:38:02,876 --> 00:38:05,356
Speaker 4: are you going to make money? Yeah, And I said,

684
00:38:05,436 --> 00:38:07,876
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. Do people make money

685
00:38:07,956 --> 00:38:11,356
Speaker 4: doing that? He said, of course, And then he would,

686
00:38:11,436 --> 00:38:14,116
Speaker 4: you know, actually be like here's the just there's actually

687
00:38:14,196 --> 00:38:17,556
Speaker 4: a book in the library that shows what commercial artists make,

688
00:38:17,676 --> 00:38:20,236
Speaker 4: and here's what a comic strip artist makes, poor strip.

689
00:38:20,476 --> 00:38:22,196
Speaker 4: Here's who you write to to get all this stuff.

690
00:38:22,196 --> 00:38:24,196
Speaker 4: And so there was always this idea of just like,

691
00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:28,516
Speaker 4: there's a way to make Yeah, this thing I want

692
00:38:28,516 --> 00:38:32,316
Speaker 4: to do, like I would, I will have to hustle

693
00:38:32,556 --> 00:38:36,436
Speaker 4: and make money doing it. But I also never like

694
00:38:36,476 --> 00:38:42,676
Speaker 4: and I Bill, you know, was never There's never any

695
00:38:42,716 --> 00:38:45,196
Speaker 4: part of me that was like I'm going to do

696
00:38:45,316 --> 00:38:46,636
Speaker 4: this thing and I'm going to make.

697
00:38:46,676 --> 00:38:47,676
Speaker 1: So much money.

698
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:51,716
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much money. And that's exactly why I'm going

699
00:38:51,796 --> 00:38:54,276
Speaker 4: to do it, because I'm going to make so much

700
00:38:54,436 --> 00:38:58,636
Speaker 4: you know, it's like never it's there's people that I

701
00:38:58,676 --> 00:39:01,116
Speaker 4: looked up to who you know, like I said, these

702
00:39:01,196 --> 00:39:04,996
Speaker 4: underground comic artists or even like superhero comic artists where

703
00:39:04,996 --> 00:39:06,796
Speaker 4: it's just like I make a hundred bucks a page

704
00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:08,996
Speaker 4: and I turn in thirty pages and I'm like that,

705
00:39:09,196 --> 00:39:11,396
Speaker 4: you know, and you're like fifteen, and you're like that

706
00:39:11,476 --> 00:39:13,676
Speaker 4: sounds great.

707
00:39:13,876 --> 00:39:14,876
Speaker 1: You'll realize it's.

708
00:39:14,676 --> 00:39:18,156
Speaker 4: Like literally backbreaking work to sit there like a table

709
00:39:18,276 --> 00:39:21,596
Speaker 4: for like forever to do that. But you know, there's

710
00:39:21,596 --> 00:39:25,236
Speaker 4: always some idea of like I have to turn this

711
00:39:25,796 --> 00:39:28,676
Speaker 4: into a job however I can, like I have to

712
00:39:28,716 --> 00:39:33,916
Speaker 4: support myself doing this thing. And the idea that like

713
00:39:33,956 --> 00:39:38,956
Speaker 4: you also don't like thinking like about make any kind

714
00:39:38,956 --> 00:39:45,076
Speaker 4: of being an artist is there's no you don't really retire. Yeah,

715
00:39:45,676 --> 00:39:47,476
Speaker 4: Like I don't think there's not a point where I'm

716
00:39:47,516 --> 00:39:49,556
Speaker 4: going to be like, Okay, that's it. I did enough

717
00:39:49,556 --> 00:39:52,676
Speaker 4: and now I'm going to, like ye sit on the

718
00:39:52,676 --> 00:39:54,436
Speaker 4: dock of the bay wasting.

719
00:39:54,116 --> 00:39:57,556
Speaker 5: Time, go to Margaritaville.

720
00:39:58,796 --> 00:40:03,516
Speaker 1: To watch a million a million sunsets. Yeah no, but

721
00:40:03,516 --> 00:40:04,076
Speaker 1: but it's.

722
00:40:03,996 --> 00:40:08,916
Speaker 4: The there's there's definitely always a part where it's sort

723
00:40:08,956 --> 00:40:12,156
Speaker 4: of like, I want to be doing this creative work.

724
00:40:12,316 --> 00:40:16,716
Speaker 4: I want to have this mode of processing, you know,

725
00:40:16,876 --> 00:40:21,956
Speaker 4: being alive in events and feelings, and I'd like to

726
00:40:21,996 --> 00:40:26,276
Speaker 4: be able to support myself doing that. And if I'm

727
00:40:26,316 --> 00:40:30,476
Speaker 4: not able to directly support myself doing this creative work,

728
00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:33,876
Speaker 4: I'm going to hustle and find something else to support

729
00:40:33,996 --> 00:40:34,876
Speaker 4: that creative work.

730
00:40:35,476 --> 00:40:39,036
Speaker 5: Yep. How did you get a job at Celebrity Deathmatch?

731
00:40:39,036 --> 00:40:41,636
Speaker 5: How did that happen? And what were you doing there?

732
00:40:41,996 --> 00:40:46,596
Speaker 4: I was animating. I was making puppets beat the shit

733
00:40:46,636 --> 00:40:52,036
Speaker 4: out of each other for a few years. Yeah, making,

734
00:40:52,796 --> 00:40:55,516
Speaker 4: That's what I was doing at Deathmatch. And I got

735
00:40:55,716 --> 00:40:58,796
Speaker 4: the job because I was at the school in New

736
00:40:58,876 --> 00:41:04,436
Speaker 4: York as at NYU, and I went there for live

737
00:41:04,476 --> 00:41:09,476
Speaker 4: action directing, and within two years realized that I was

738
00:41:09,636 --> 00:41:13,716
Speaker 4: really not it was not a good director because I

739
00:41:13,756 --> 00:41:16,076
Speaker 4: didn't feel comfortable telling people what to do.

740
00:41:16,916 --> 00:41:17,316
Speaker 5: Yeah.

741
00:41:17,396 --> 00:41:19,636
Speaker 1: I would just be like, here's a scenario, just just

742
00:41:19,796 --> 00:41:21,836
Speaker 1: like do what you want? Yeah, do you want?

743
00:41:21,836 --> 00:41:23,196
Speaker 4: And I'll just you know, we'll film it and we'll

744
00:41:23,276 --> 00:41:25,196
Speaker 4: edit it, and it'll be what it's it'll be what

745
00:41:25,196 --> 00:41:27,316
Speaker 4: it's going to be. You know, everyone's like in their

746
00:41:27,636 --> 00:41:30,716
Speaker 4: like teens and early twenties and like no one's listening

747
00:41:30,716 --> 00:41:32,396
Speaker 4: to each other. And I was kind of like, I

748
00:41:32,396 --> 00:41:34,996
Speaker 4: don't want it's just it was it wasn't for me.

749
00:41:35,236 --> 00:41:39,276
Speaker 4: And since I you know, like drawing and animating, I

750
00:41:39,436 --> 00:41:44,116
Speaker 4: ended up going into stop motion like yeah, my junior,

751
00:41:44,396 --> 00:41:48,116
Speaker 4: and uh really like loving it, you know, like I

752
00:41:48,156 --> 00:41:49,796
Speaker 4: think I saw the Nightment before Christmas.

753
00:41:49,836 --> 00:41:51,516
Speaker 1: It was kind of just like, oh, yeah, like that,

754
00:41:51,516 --> 00:41:53,876
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. That's that that looks great.

755
00:41:54,876 --> 00:41:58,196
Speaker 4: And so like I ended up, like my my short

756
00:41:58,196 --> 00:42:01,276
Speaker 4: film ended up winning an award at the end of

757
00:42:01,276 --> 00:42:04,556
Speaker 4: the year, and everyone else was, you know, at that time,

758
00:42:04,676 --> 00:42:08,676
Speaker 4: doing really kind of early computer animation as they were graduating,

759
00:42:08,716 --> 00:42:09,116
Speaker 4: and they're.

760
00:42:08,996 --> 00:42:11,796
Speaker 1: Like, why are you Why are you using puppets.

761
00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:14,156
Speaker 4: You're gonna be broke, You're gonna have to live in

762
00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:17,996
Speaker 4: like a basement and Czechoslovakia to like nake, you know,

763
00:42:18,076 --> 00:42:20,676
Speaker 4: sort of noone cares about that shit here. And I

764
00:42:20,716 --> 00:42:22,196
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, but I care about it, and I

765
00:42:22,236 --> 00:42:24,916
Speaker 4: can learn computers later if I know how to do this,

766
00:42:25,036 --> 00:42:27,756
Speaker 4: then that'll be fine. And then we all got out

767
00:42:27,756 --> 00:42:31,436
Speaker 4: of school. I was I was asked to leave school

768
00:42:31,476 --> 00:42:35,276
Speaker 4: because to do my senior project, I stopped going to classes.

769
00:42:35,396 --> 00:42:38,196
Speaker 4: It was a whole whole issue, the whole stupid thing.

770
00:42:38,516 --> 00:42:40,276
Speaker 4: But it got done. I got out.

771
00:42:40,716 --> 00:42:43,196
Speaker 1: MTV was doing they.

772
00:42:43,116 --> 00:42:46,236
Speaker 4: Were just looking for animators for this new new show

773
00:42:46,356 --> 00:42:49,036
Speaker 4: that was based on this short that one of the

774
00:42:49,076 --> 00:42:52,836
Speaker 4: directors and artists over at MTV Animation made, this guy,

775
00:42:52,956 --> 00:42:58,476
Speaker 4: Eric Fogel. So yeah, I sent my tape in and

776
00:42:58,596 --> 00:43:00,676
Speaker 4: like went in and you know, they said, can you

777
00:43:00,676 --> 00:43:03,356
Speaker 4: come in and talk? And I remember I went in

778
00:43:03,356 --> 00:43:05,876
Speaker 4: and we didn't talk about animation at all. He just

779
00:43:05,876 --> 00:43:08,156
Speaker 4: said all these weird ass toys in his office. And

780
00:43:08,196 --> 00:43:09,596
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, you look, are you like this?

781
00:43:09,676 --> 00:43:12,116
Speaker 4: And and I left and I got a call, like,

782
00:43:12,316 --> 00:43:15,036
Speaker 4: you know, like two days later that I was hired.

783
00:43:15,236 --> 00:43:17,636
Speaker 1: So it was one of the first eighteen animators on

784
00:43:17,676 --> 00:43:18,116
Speaker 1: that show.

785
00:43:18,476 --> 00:43:20,956
Speaker 5: Wow, that's so cool.

786
00:43:21,076 --> 00:43:21,636
Speaker 1: It was good.

787
00:43:21,716 --> 00:43:24,156
Speaker 4: It was like a good boot camp for stop motion

788
00:43:24,316 --> 00:43:29,316
Speaker 4: and because you know, you're doing it five days a

789
00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:31,996
Speaker 4: week for like, you know, eight hours a day, and

790
00:43:32,036 --> 00:43:35,796
Speaker 4: you're sort of like, oh, I'm now I'm making stuff

791
00:43:35,876 --> 00:43:37,916
Speaker 4: that people are going to be watching on TV. And

792
00:43:37,956 --> 00:43:40,036
Speaker 4: if you you know me even saying that, if you

793
00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:42,836
Speaker 4: go back and look at those early episodes, like they're.

794
00:43:42,636 --> 00:43:47,436
Speaker 5: Not good, they're not no like technically or.

795
00:43:47,876 --> 00:43:50,876
Speaker 1: They're yeah, technically now they're Punces in the mill are good.

796
00:43:50,996 --> 00:43:51,596
Speaker 1: And that was the thing.

797
00:43:51,636 --> 00:43:53,876
Speaker 4: It was like the sliding scale of people who had

798
00:43:53,916 --> 00:43:57,716
Speaker 4: like just got out of school and people doing stop

799
00:43:57,756 --> 00:43:59,916
Speaker 4: motion for you know, twenty years.

800
00:44:00,236 --> 00:44:01,436
Speaker 1: It's so specialized.

801
00:44:01,836 --> 00:44:04,396
Speaker 3: Yeah, were you in TV on the radio then? Like

802
00:44:04,556 --> 00:44:06,676
Speaker 3: was were you just starting to play then? Or was

803
00:44:06,716 --> 00:44:08,076
Speaker 3: that did those overlap at all?

804
00:44:09,356 --> 00:44:14,036
Speaker 4: No? I started making four track stuff kind of more

805
00:44:15,236 --> 00:44:19,956
Speaker 4: in earnest around, like while I was working at Deathmatch,

806
00:44:21,396 --> 00:44:25,916
Speaker 4: pretty much as an antidote to the how tedious that Yeah,

807
00:44:25,956 --> 00:44:29,396
Speaker 4: that was yeah to be you know, like the whole

808
00:44:29,516 --> 00:44:32,556
Speaker 4: thing of like I mean, you know, like animation person

809
00:44:32,596 --> 00:44:36,196
Speaker 4: will tell your stop motion, especially where it's like you

810
00:44:36,356 --> 00:44:39,196
Speaker 4: work it eight hours a day for four days in

811
00:44:39,236 --> 00:44:40,836
Speaker 4: a row and at the end of it you've got

812
00:44:41,036 --> 00:44:44,676
Speaker 4: the three seconds of animation, you know, or something like that.

813
00:44:44,876 --> 00:44:49,396
Speaker 4: So having a four track at home was just a

814
00:44:49,396 --> 00:44:51,796
Speaker 4: good way to you know, and withdrawing and painting too,

815
00:44:51,836 --> 00:44:54,356
Speaker 4: it's just like you're taking it's just taking a while.

816
00:44:54,356 --> 00:44:56,476
Speaker 4: So having a four track at home and a little

817
00:44:56,756 --> 00:44:59,636
Speaker 4: like piano and loop pedals to mess around with. At

818
00:44:59,636 --> 00:45:02,476
Speaker 4: the end of your two hours, you have a bunch

819
00:45:02,516 --> 00:45:04,396
Speaker 4: of stuff on a tape that you can play back

820
00:45:04,436 --> 00:45:07,236
Speaker 4: and you can mess with. So that was I would

821
00:45:07,236 --> 00:45:11,236
Speaker 4: say that music was like it was a way to

822
00:45:11,276 --> 00:45:15,076
Speaker 4: get a quicker result than animation.

823
00:45:16,196 --> 00:45:20,036
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious if the way that you work out

824
00:45:20,276 --> 00:45:24,436
Speaker 3: musical ideas has that changed from when you first started

825
00:45:24,476 --> 00:45:27,436
Speaker 3: working with four tracks to now? Is do you sort

826
00:45:27,436 --> 00:45:30,556
Speaker 3: of approach it in the same way or has your

827
00:45:30,596 --> 00:45:33,676
Speaker 3: process changed now that you have more experience.

828
00:45:34,396 --> 00:45:41,236
Speaker 4: It's totally the same. It's completely the same. I'll either

829
00:45:41,436 --> 00:45:47,236
Speaker 4: here here a melody, I'll beatbox something into a voice

830
00:45:47,236 --> 00:45:49,316
Speaker 4: note sor sing into a voice note and then if

831
00:45:49,316 --> 00:45:52,156
Speaker 4: I'm going to, you know, at the time, take it

832
00:45:52,196 --> 00:45:55,716
Speaker 4: to a four track. It's kind of just it's it's

833
00:45:55,796 --> 00:45:59,276
Speaker 4: really the same of making a just a vocal sketch

834
00:45:59,636 --> 00:46:04,516
Speaker 4: of something and then layer fleshing it out with you know,

835
00:46:04,836 --> 00:46:08,956
Speaker 4: just instrumentation or you know, any kind of sound. I

836
00:46:09,276 --> 00:46:13,276
Speaker 4: would say, actually, yeah, it's come back around to being

837
00:46:14,156 --> 00:46:17,796
Speaker 4: closer to what it was when I started making four

838
00:46:17,876 --> 00:46:21,676
Speaker 4: track stuff. I feel like just over the years making

839
00:46:21,716 --> 00:46:26,996
Speaker 4: stuff with the band, my thinking about writing started to

840
00:46:27,116 --> 00:46:30,556
Speaker 4: include and leave space for you know, like I would

841
00:46:30,596 --> 00:46:32,356
Speaker 4: have a part of a song where I'd be like,

842
00:46:32,436 --> 00:46:36,316
Speaker 4: I don't I don't really know what to do over there,

843
00:46:37,556 --> 00:46:40,236
Speaker 4: but I know that Kip is going to have twelve

844
00:46:40,356 --> 00:46:43,836
Speaker 4: ideas for that and that's going to be a great

845
00:46:45,236 --> 00:46:48,116
Speaker 4: I want to hear what he wants to do there

846
00:46:48,396 --> 00:46:50,436
Speaker 4: and or Jaliel can do something here, or I know

847
00:46:50,556 --> 00:46:52,516
Speaker 4: Dave is going to have a billion ideas for this.

848
00:46:53,036 --> 00:46:55,716
Speaker 4: So I think the like, now it's gone just for

849
00:46:55,756 --> 00:46:58,036
Speaker 4: this stretch of you know, my record and just how

850
00:46:58,036 --> 00:47:00,996
Speaker 4: I'm writing now without without the guys, It's gone back to,

851
00:47:01,236 --> 00:47:03,516
Speaker 4: you know, the way it was before, or where I

852
00:47:03,556 --> 00:47:04,876
Speaker 4: was like I at least have to make I got

853
00:47:04,916 --> 00:47:08,916
Speaker 4: to make a more detailed sketch, you know, and it's

854
00:47:08,956 --> 00:47:11,956
Speaker 4: all me, you know, it's all yeah, for better or

855
00:47:11,996 --> 00:47:15,236
Speaker 4: for worse, Like the good and bad decisions are all

856
00:47:15,356 --> 00:47:15,996
Speaker 4: are all mine?

857
00:47:16,796 --> 00:47:19,316
Speaker 3: Are there any decisions that made it to this album

858
00:47:19,356 --> 00:47:21,676
Speaker 3: that you presented to TV on the radio that got

859
00:47:21,716 --> 00:47:24,796
Speaker 3: shot down? And now you're like, Okay, I finally get

860
00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:25,876
Speaker 3: to do that idea.

861
00:47:26,676 --> 00:47:31,636
Speaker 4: There were songs that just didn't get not not shut down.

862
00:47:31,716 --> 00:47:34,076
Speaker 4: But there's sometimes where you know, like when we did

863
00:47:34,156 --> 00:47:37,316
Speaker 4: get together record, there would be a lot of songs,

864
00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:41,276
Speaker 4: like a lot of a lot of starts. I feel

865
00:47:41,276 --> 00:47:45,996
Speaker 4: like the I feel like seeds and nine types of Light.

866
00:47:46,396 --> 00:47:51,076
Speaker 4: You know, we after a few rounds of eliminating what

867
00:47:51,156 --> 00:47:53,676
Speaker 4: people liked and what we thought was going to make

868
00:47:53,676 --> 00:47:55,236
Speaker 4: it on to the record, Like, there would just be

869
00:47:55,556 --> 00:47:57,916
Speaker 4: points where we everyone would make their choices and we'd

870
00:47:57,956 --> 00:48:00,796
Speaker 4: have thirty songs left and just like we got to

871
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:03,516
Speaker 4: like get that to ten, you know, and get rid

872
00:48:03,556 --> 00:48:03,676
Speaker 4: of that.

873
00:48:03,956 --> 00:48:05,956
Speaker 5: So there are of that seems like a great problem

874
00:48:05,956 --> 00:48:10,236
Speaker 5: to have, though kind of yeah, like how do you know?

875
00:48:11,036 --> 00:48:13,396
Speaker 4: Well, it's I think it becomes obvious because people just

876
00:48:13,436 --> 00:48:17,596
Speaker 4: start gravitating to the ten or twelve songs that are

877
00:48:17,636 --> 00:48:20,036
Speaker 4: going to make it onto the record, or you know,

878
00:48:20,116 --> 00:48:24,676
Speaker 4: we'll have a meeting and just say I actually want

879
00:48:24,676 --> 00:48:26,396
Speaker 4: to finish this, So can we put more time into

880
00:48:26,436 --> 00:48:28,516
Speaker 4: this than if it's a lost cause? It's a lost cause,

881
00:48:28,556 --> 00:48:31,116
Speaker 4: but like you know what, when you give it, give

882
00:48:31,156 --> 00:48:31,716
Speaker 4: it a second.

883
00:48:32,196 --> 00:48:35,316
Speaker 5: Very nice. Okay, one last question, I'm curious.

884
00:48:35,396 --> 00:48:38,596
Speaker 3: I saw Twisters the other night, And I'm curious how

885
00:48:38,796 --> 00:48:41,876
Speaker 3: your character very much surprised me because I had seen pictures,

886
00:48:41,916 --> 00:48:45,516
Speaker 3: I'd seen still shots of you, and like the I

887
00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:49,636
Speaker 3: thought you were going to be like an archaeologist, but

888
00:48:49,716 --> 00:48:52,716
Speaker 3: you are sort of like the YouTube hill Billy and

889
00:48:52,756 --> 00:48:54,036
Speaker 3: the YouTube Hillbilly Crew.

890
00:48:54,356 --> 00:48:59,476
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, the slash burning Man, Yeah.

891
00:48:59,076 --> 00:49:02,356
Speaker 1: Exactly, the gigantic weather nerd.

892
00:49:02,916 --> 00:49:04,276
Speaker 5: Yes. Yes, I love that.

893
00:49:04,876 --> 00:49:07,636
Speaker 3: I guess now, like, how have the roles that are

894
00:49:07,636 --> 00:49:13,236
Speaker 3: coming to you chain and how has your ambition with

895
00:49:13,436 --> 00:49:17,036
Speaker 3: acting change now that you've been doing it for so long,

896
00:49:18,436 --> 00:49:20,716
Speaker 3: And I guess as you get older, you must like

897
00:49:20,756 --> 00:49:21,956
Speaker 3: the roles must be different.

898
00:49:23,276 --> 00:49:23,516
Speaker 1: Yeah.

899
00:49:23,516 --> 00:49:26,316
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean it's it's weird with me because I've

900
00:49:26,356 --> 00:49:31,556
Speaker 4: done it. It's funny when things come up or you know,

901
00:49:32,476 --> 00:49:35,836
Speaker 4: something will come out and someone will very just like,

902
00:49:35,956 --> 00:49:37,356
Speaker 4: oh is this the first thing you've done. It's like,

903
00:49:37,476 --> 00:49:39,756
Speaker 4: did you do a lot of acting? And I looked

904
00:49:39,796 --> 00:49:41,516
Speaker 4: at it just recently and I was just like, yeah,

905
00:49:41,556 --> 00:49:43,756
Speaker 4: I'm doing it for like, oh twenty years.

906
00:49:43,956 --> 00:49:45,796
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, in.

907
00:49:47,356 --> 00:49:51,156
Speaker 4: Kind of fits and starts because of bandwork and you know,

908
00:49:51,236 --> 00:49:51,996
Speaker 4: and things.

909
00:49:52,916 --> 00:49:58,276
Speaker 1: But I love, I love doing it, and I think

910
00:49:58,436 --> 00:50:00,396
Speaker 1: generally I like anybody.

911
00:50:00,636 --> 00:50:05,636
Speaker 4: I like the opportunity to kind of get into the

912
00:50:05,636 --> 00:50:11,156
Speaker 4: head of somebody who's a little bit off kilter for me,

913
00:50:11,596 --> 00:50:13,236
Speaker 4: like when something comes up and I don't know if

914
00:50:13,596 --> 00:50:16,916
Speaker 4: the expression of that comes through in these characters, but

915
00:50:18,956 --> 00:50:21,596
Speaker 4: it's it's always, it's never I feel like I'm thinking

916
00:50:21,596 --> 00:50:24,596
Speaker 4: about it now. It's like, I don't really feel like

917
00:50:26,236 --> 00:50:30,196
Speaker 4: I've been given like a lot of leeway to give

918
00:50:30,236 --> 00:50:31,036
Speaker 4: my input.

919
00:50:30,836 --> 00:50:31,876
Speaker 1: To these characters.

920
00:50:31,916 --> 00:50:32,956
Speaker 5: And that's nice.

921
00:50:33,236 --> 00:50:35,956
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been really nice. No, I feel really lucky

922
00:50:35,996 --> 00:50:38,796
Speaker 4: to have worked with the people I've worked with. Yeah,

923
00:50:38,836 --> 00:50:43,436
Speaker 4: like with Twisters, like Isaac Chung who you know, who's

924
00:50:43,436 --> 00:50:48,636
Speaker 4: the director? The character was like it was really there's

925
00:50:48,676 --> 00:50:50,916
Speaker 4: no description of this character in the script.

926
00:50:50,916 --> 00:50:52,076
Speaker 1: They're just like this is this person.

927
00:50:52,596 --> 00:50:54,436
Speaker 4: So if we got to Oklahoma and I said town,

928
00:50:54,516 --> 00:50:55,636
Speaker 4: I was just like, so what do you who do

929
00:50:55,676 --> 00:50:57,156
Speaker 4: you think this guy is?

930
00:50:57,276 --> 00:50:59,996
Speaker 1: And like what are you looking for? You know essentially,

931
00:51:00,676 --> 00:51:01,356
Speaker 1: And he said.

932
00:51:01,276 --> 00:51:03,636
Speaker 4: Was there anything that you've really, like ever just wanted

933
00:51:03,676 --> 00:51:06,036
Speaker 4: to do in a you know, like in a role

934
00:51:06,116 --> 00:51:08,436
Speaker 4: or a movie. And I was like, yeah, but also

935
00:51:09,156 --> 00:51:12,756
Speaker 4: what do you want me to do? Yes, because that

936
00:51:12,756 --> 00:51:14,676
Speaker 4: would be a good place to start. But he really

937
00:51:14,796 --> 00:51:17,996
Speaker 4: was just like just you know, like take a second

938
00:51:18,036 --> 00:51:19,556
Speaker 4: with it and like write down here you think this

939
00:51:19,596 --> 00:51:22,916
Speaker 4: guy is. And I was like, he's a weather nerd,

940
00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:26,156
Speaker 4: he's a metal head. He loves Lenny, that's why he cut.

941
00:51:26,196 --> 00:51:28,356
Speaker 4: He has these lamb chops. He's got this weird mutton

942
00:51:28,396 --> 00:51:33,996
Speaker 4: chop thing going on. He draws fantasy barbarian art for commissions.

943
00:51:34,276 --> 00:51:35,756
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome.

944
00:51:36,236 --> 00:51:38,276
Speaker 3: It must be interesting too as an actor to go

945
00:51:38,316 --> 00:51:41,516
Speaker 3: from playing like a love interest to now your cast

946
00:51:41,556 --> 00:51:44,876
Speaker 3: as a father in this skeleton career doesn't know you know,

947
00:51:45,196 --> 00:51:48,356
Speaker 3: it's like the world now sees you different totally.

948
00:51:48,876 --> 00:51:53,236
Speaker 4: That is pretty interesting. There's definitely, uh, it's it's funny.

949
00:51:53,236 --> 00:51:56,436
Speaker 4: I've definitely had a few moments with these, Like last

950
00:51:56,476 --> 00:51:57,356
Speaker 4: couple of projects.

951
00:51:57,676 --> 00:52:01,436
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in I was in the first.

952
00:52:01,276 --> 00:52:06,676
Speaker 4: Version of a show that got entirely scrapped and and

953
00:52:06,876 --> 00:52:10,996
Speaker 4: remade and put out. I was not in the final version,

954
00:52:11,596 --> 00:52:13,476
Speaker 4: but it was definitely a moment where I looked around

955
00:52:13,476 --> 00:52:14,556
Speaker 4: and I was just like, oh.

956
00:52:14,516 --> 00:52:18,076
Speaker 1: I'm like the second oldest person in the cast. Yeah,

957
00:52:18,116 --> 00:52:18,916
Speaker 1: and it wasn't you know.

958
00:52:18,956 --> 00:52:21,636
Speaker 4: And it was also like in Twisters a little bit,

959
00:52:21,836 --> 00:52:23,036
Speaker 4: but Skeleton Crew.

960
00:52:22,956 --> 00:52:24,196
Speaker 1: Like obviously because it's kids.

961
00:52:24,236 --> 00:52:28,556
Speaker 4: But yeah, my daughter loves the show too's she finally

962
00:52:28,636 --> 00:52:29,236
Speaker 4: respects me.

963
00:52:30,236 --> 00:52:31,556
Speaker 5: Do you get recognized by kids?

964
00:52:32,596 --> 00:52:35,676
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kids at are schoold or yeah? Who are now?

965
00:52:36,396 --> 00:52:40,156
Speaker 4: Yeah? Who? I seen the show and like this show?

966
00:52:40,396 --> 00:52:46,556
Speaker 4: Which is that show was engineered? I feel Adam by

967
00:52:46,636 --> 00:52:51,676
Speaker 4: Adam for kids their age. Yeah, every kid that age

968
00:52:51,876 --> 00:52:56,876
Speaker 4: I know who's seen is just like which is great,

969
00:52:57,316 --> 00:52:59,036
Speaker 4: which is so great, so fun to do.

970
00:52:59,556 --> 00:53:03,156
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you so much, Tuned. I'm sorry for I

971
00:53:03,196 --> 00:53:04,596
Speaker 3: know I took up a lot of your time, but

972
00:53:04,716 --> 00:53:05,396
Speaker 3: it's so great.

973
00:53:05,756 --> 00:53:07,556
Speaker 1: It's awesome talking to you, so.

974
00:53:07,596 --> 00:53:10,476
Speaker 5: Great to connect with you. And yeah, have fun with

975
00:53:10,516 --> 00:53:11,196
Speaker 5: the new album.

976
00:53:11,596 --> 00:53:13,476
Speaker 1: Thanks Litely, is awesome to talk to you.

977
00:53:13,516 --> 00:53:17,076
Speaker 5: Finally, you too.

978
00:53:17,716 --> 00:53:19,756
Speaker 2: Thanks again to Tunday out of MPE for talking about

979
00:53:19,796 --> 00:53:22,676
Speaker 2: his creative life and the making of his new solo project,

980
00:53:22,916 --> 00:53:24,196
Speaker 2: The Black Bolts.

981
00:53:24,556 --> 00:53:25,716
Speaker 1: You can hear a favorite.

982
00:53:25,436 --> 00:53:27,676
Speaker 2: Tunda and TV on the radio songs on your playlist

983
00:53:27,676 --> 00:53:30,676
Speaker 2: at Broken Record podcast dot com, and be sure to

984
00:53:30,716 --> 00:53:33,956
Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at the Broken Record Pod. You

985
00:53:33,996 --> 00:53:37,396
Speaker 2: can follow us on Twitter at broken Record Broken Record

986
00:53:37,436 --> 00:53:40,396
Speaker 2: is produced and edited by Leah Rose, with marketing help

987
00:53:40,436 --> 00:53:44,316
Speaker 2: from Eric Sandler and Jordan McMillan. Our engineer is Ben Tolliday.

988
00:53:44,916 --> 00:53:48,436
Speaker 2: Broken Record is a production of Pushkin Industries. If you

989
00:53:48,476 --> 00:53:51,756
Speaker 2: love this show and others from Pushkin, consider subscribing to

990
00:53:51,876 --> 00:53:55,836
Speaker 2: Pushkin Plus. Pushkin Plus is a podcast subscription that offers

991
00:53:55,876 --> 00:53:58,956
Speaker 2: bonus content and ad free listening for four ninety nine

992
00:53:59,036 --> 00:54:02,996
Speaker 2: a month. Look for Pushkin Plus on Apple podcast subscriptions.

993
00:54:03,796 --> 00:54:06,396
Speaker 2: And if you like this show, please remember to share, rate,

994
00:54:06,436 --> 00:54:09,436
Speaker 2: and review us on your podcast app Our themes expect

995
00:54:09,436 --> 00:54:10,516
Speaker 2: any beats.

996
00:54:10,596 --> 00:54:18,116
Speaker 1: Justin Richmond, mm hmm,