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Speaker 1: Star in Friscoola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broms, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And it is day number two of
Speaker 1: practices here at Oxnard, California, home of the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: training camp twenty eighteen. We got one practice down, we
Speaker 1: got one more to go, and then they put the
Speaker 1: pads on tomorrow on the field behind us here I
Speaker 1: am Bill Jones with Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola and you. Yes, we have phone lines available here
Speaker 1: from training camp and you can make a call and
Speaker 1: be a part of the show. Nine seven two four
Speaker 1: nine seven forty four hundred, the number one the screen
Speaker 1: there nine seven two four ninety four hundred. I look
Speaker 1: forward to taking some phone calls always. Yeah, I'd be
Speaker 1: interesting though that kind of get some of the ideas,
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about the practices and stuff and
Speaker 1: you really had to try and try and pull some
Speaker 1: things out of it, but there were some good things
Speaker 1: out there. Just always interested in the fans. I found
Speaker 1: that a lot of the things that we do now,
Speaker 1: the fans are so hungry for information and who's this
Speaker 1: and who's doing that stuff. So I'm sure we'll have
Speaker 1: some some calls asking those types of questions, Hey, what'd
Speaker 1: you see third tid, who's playing the who's starting tied in? Who?
Speaker 1: What's the receiver rotation and all that. So, but that's
Speaker 1: always a good part about the show's the interaction with
Speaker 1: the four well and the other thing when you look
Speaker 1: back at yesterday, from what they did in the afternoon
Speaker 1: compared to the walkthrough, I got more out of the
Speaker 1: walkthrough than I did the afternoon practice. Yeah. Absolutely, they
Speaker 1: did have a period before they actually went they headed
Speaker 1: together the group thing where they went like ten twelve
Speaker 1: plays where you could kind of it was it was
Speaker 1: the guys were not it was not you know, uh
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying it wasn't full speed, but it
Speaker 1: was it was you could get a little bit about
Speaker 1: they were running some twist stunts, guys are picking some
Speaker 1: things up. You got some combinations of some routes that
Speaker 1: you can saw. You saw the quarterbacks throwing the football.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where from that point those ten eleven
Speaker 1: twelve plays. I got something out of that just from
Speaker 1: the little the compete side of it. But the rest
Speaker 1: of the practice was, Okay, where's Layton Vanderish lining up? Okay,
Speaker 1: where's Jalen Smith lining up? Okay? Where who's playing the
Speaker 1: third defensive in for me? Right now? That that's where
Speaker 1: I got in the second half of the practice the
Speaker 1: extension of mini camp and OTAs, and it was worse
Speaker 1: than mini camp and ote It's just the same because
Speaker 1: they're easing them back in, all of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: they couldn't line up against each other. They had to
Speaker 1: use the guys on offense that weren't in the well
Speaker 1: did you see the parting eleven? No, I know what
Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, but after that, a lot of
Speaker 1: individual for an hour and forty five minutes of the
Speaker 1: coaches with little beanies on lining up as linebackers and
Speaker 1: dbs twenty four hours. Mick, all right, we'll get the
Speaker 1: pads on very quickly. And he's league mandated. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think you can't go up the players Association. Basically great
Speaker 1: stuff by the Players Association. No player safety, Mickey, we
Speaker 1: gotta think about that. Yeah, Well, but they don't think
Speaker 1: about their contracts and stuff. They just they caught. They
Speaker 1: they forfeited money to be out here and play pansy football. Mickey,
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate to say this, guys, but in
Speaker 1: two years time we might not be having talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Just be nice to the callers, Okay, exactly, exactly nicer
Speaker 1: than Mickey is to the leafblower or the security guy.
Speaker 1: Everybody hates. Mickey was on one yesterday, Boy's minute. We
Speaker 1: need to bring that, Yeah, but some of that I
Speaker 1: can't put on Mickey Smith. Yeah, like that that we
Speaker 1: won't go into that one, all right, So we look
Speaker 1: at what we got out of yesterday. The one thing
Speaker 1: that that it was in the walkthrough that I noticed
Speaker 1: immediately and I believe Brian brought us maybe writing about
Speaker 1: it later today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: and Tavon Austin on the field at the same time,
Speaker 1: which is means one of those smaller guys is playing outside. Right.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because I kind of thought
Speaker 1: maybe Scott, you know, in this day and age, everybody
Speaker 1: says you're trolling somebody, you know, like on Twitter, you're troll,
Speaker 1: You're trolling, They're trolling. You. I think Scott Lenahan might
Speaker 1: have been trolling us a little bit yesterday because he
Speaker 1: did he put he put Cole Beasley and Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: on the field. Really is the X and the and
Speaker 1: the Z. And then they used Alan Hearns with some
Speaker 1: inside slot stuff. So you're thinking, you don't traditionally feel
Speaker 1: like that two five eighth receivers are going to be
Speaker 1: outside you know, receiver, but that that's something that a
Speaker 1: little bit in OTA's we saw Cole Beasley playing some
Speaker 1: more on the outside, and now it's going to be okay,
Speaker 1: how do you get him routes down. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be about throwing him vertical passes and stuff. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be about throwing him the outs, you know, not so
Speaker 1: much the slants, but outs, curls, things like that. They
Speaker 1: hit Tavon Austin that little period. Drill I was talking
Speaker 1: about playing as a tight, tight and tight formation and
Speaker 1: he went up, they cleared the tight end and they
Speaker 1: curled around. So just trying to get a little guy
Speaker 1: open quickly though, that's what they're doing on the outside.
Speaker 1: Well you get him if he's on the outside, and
Speaker 1: we saw it in OTAs in minicamp quite a bit,
Speaker 1: even even when they went two wide receivers, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult to double team him off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage the way sometimes it was happening
Speaker 1: in the slot with bracket coverage the other thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, take this for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: When I was talking to Gil Brandt about Alan Hearns
Speaker 1: and he said, well, I think Alan Hearns is as
Speaker 1: a slot receiver, and so maybe they're looking at and
Speaker 1: maybe they can create some mismatches that side with his size,
Speaker 1: and maybe he gets a little bit more single coverage
Speaker 1: there and he gets off the line of scrimmage. We
Speaker 1: did see Tavon and Cole on the field together in
Speaker 1: OTAs or mini camp a little bit. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we both saw him on the outside. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's what that's different. Yeah, Jason Garrett spoke to what
Speaker 1: you just said, make a little bit yesterday. I think
Speaker 1: in terms of he likes the versatility of all these receivers.
Speaker 1: They can all play different spots. I think Hearns can
Speaker 1: play any spot on the right. It remains to be
Speaker 1: seen about Cole on the outside. They've never really done
Speaker 1: it consistently, but again it maybe it creates a situation
Speaker 1: where he's not in such a log jam and you
Speaker 1: can bracket him. Yeah, that's what mickey. Yeah, it's good
Speaker 1: point by Mickey right there. Anything to do to free
Speaker 1: him up, you know, because he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: you throw the ball to time, he's gonna catch that football.
Speaker 1: So anything you could do to free him up one
Speaker 1: on one situations and teams and teams noticed that last
Speaker 1: I said that he came das guy in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: It was like it was second and four and who
Speaker 1: was he throwing the ball to on the on the
Speaker 1: boots waggles Maybe you know it was Witna, but Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley on the outs, little coral routes, all those things
Speaker 1: that Colbs is really sneaky on running those type of routes.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying this is gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: let's run nine routes, vertical routes with Colbes and let
Speaker 1: him go fight for the ball in the air. That's
Speaker 1: just not his game. But things underneath, stuff to the
Speaker 1: outside all good and well, and this will you know,
Speaker 1: the big question has always been where they're gonna do
Speaker 1: without does well. If you become more versatile and you're
Speaker 1: not as predictable, people can't just come out and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: every once in a while, they're gonna put Dez in
Speaker 1: the slot. But we know where he's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the outside. So now when Hearns is in there, where's
Speaker 1: he gonna be. When Terrence Williams comes in, where's he
Speaker 1: gonna be? Tavon Austin, is he gonna line up in
Speaker 1: the backfield with Zeke or is he gonna be outside?
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of Deontay Thompson out there. Also,
Speaker 1: by the way, let's not write him off because his
Speaker 1: speed out there, his speed is gonna make a difference
Speaker 1: out there. They had a really nice that period. I
Speaker 1: was talking about that ten twelve play period. He had
Speaker 1: a really nice route and in cut route where he
Speaker 1: ran it against Byron Jones, and Byron Jones was like
Speaker 1: wanting really going and you see you see Thompson kind
Speaker 1: of leans on him on the route, leans down, making
Speaker 1: it think he was going to go to the outside,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden breaks across and like Mickey,
Speaker 1: seeing there's that separation, there's that speed. You know, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott from behind him. He sees it the whole way
Speaker 1: and he's boom. He hits the shot right there, no
Speaker 1: safety in the middle in a way they go so yeah, good,
Speaker 1: good to see them kind of hit on early in
Speaker 1: the practice. You know, it's going to be interesting as
Speaker 1: this season goes along because of whatever tweaks that Scott
Speaker 1: lena Hand makes with this offense and the adjustments that
Speaker 1: the league makes. I had an opportunity to talk with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo a month or so ago, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about that that he thought, looking ahead at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys season, the key is going to be from weeks
Speaker 1: four through week nine and basically in that area right there,
Speaker 1: and how the league adjust to whatever the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: doing offensively because they don't have Jason Witten anymore, they
Speaker 1: don't have Dez Brian anymore, and then how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: adjust back to that. Yeah, I think that to any
Speaker 1: time that when you when you start talking about rules
Speaker 1: and how things are called in different things. I just
Speaker 1: feel like though that you gotta some teams are really
Speaker 1: good at pushing the envelope and when it comes to
Speaker 1: how do you run routes? You know, how do you
Speaker 1: you know, how do you incorporate you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of teams. We've seen Seattle over the years, New England
Speaker 1: over the years, the rubs, the picks, the things like that.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you incorporate various routes, you know,
Speaker 1: creative routes to get guys open. All that stuff you're
Speaker 1: trying to do to help Dak Prescott right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what anything you can do. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the things with saying Jay Law that's known as being
Speaker 1: a coacher crunch of the precise route running. It was
Speaker 1: interesting and one of the great things coming out here
Speaker 1: to training camp is you can see you can watch
Speaker 1: the coaches working with individual players and even in the
Speaker 1: case of a Jason Garrett out here yesterday, Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: runs a route Jason, I've noticed Garrett immediately goes to
Speaker 1: him and was and was coaching him on the and
Speaker 1: you could tell it was he needs to be more precise,
Speaker 1: right and whatever the route was that he was running.
Speaker 1: I thought I was really telling. The way Jerry talked
Speaker 1: up his coaching staff during the State of the Union
Speaker 1: press conference, I mean, he was very complimentary, but there
Speaker 1: was a message within that it's that we've got a
Speaker 1: young football team and we need our staff to bring
Speaker 1: these guys along and teach them and get them ready.
Speaker 1: That's as important as anything they're going to do in
Speaker 1: this camp, I think, because they not only do they
Speaker 1: have new faces, they it's very young team for sure.
Speaker 1: And Bill, you were asking, you know what else we
Speaker 1: got out of this, and you know, while we were
Speaker 1: standing there watching the walkthrough, it's how the coaches were
Speaker 1: lighting guys up, like in what order, and you kind
Speaker 1: of get an idea of what the coaches are thinking about,
Speaker 1: like who's the backup left defensive end or who's the
Speaker 1: backup right defensive end, who's playing defensive tackle. You know,
Speaker 1: how they're how they're rotating the linebackers and who's going where.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good primer for us
Speaker 1: before the pads come on tomorrow to say, okay, so
Speaker 1: the second team defensive line. You know, you got Taco
Speaker 1: Charlton at left defensive end, Coney Eliot right defensive end.
Speaker 1: You know who's playing in the middle. There's no David
Speaker 1: Irving out there, right, There's no MALIEK Collins out there,
Speaker 1: So you got jahad Ward and MALIEK. Collins, I mean
Speaker 1: Daytone Jones where Collins would be playing. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was a good kind of just kind of figuring out, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is kind of what they're thinking. Now, let's see
Speaker 1: if anybody can change their minds. Yeah, but if you
Speaker 1: want to take it a step further than that, go
Speaker 1: go three deep now and then at the right defensive
Speaker 1: basically a defensive end. Yeah, at right defensive end. It
Speaker 1: was Dorian's Armstrong was playing the right end and they
Speaker 1: had Charles Tapper playing the left defensive end. So that
Speaker 1: kind of tells you a little bit maybe you know,
Speaker 1: they think that Armstrong clearly is better suited to play
Speaker 1: the right side. You look at the physical body type.
Speaker 1: And I had somebody on Twitter this morning and asked
Speaker 1: me about potentially a playing Charles Tapper inside what you
Speaker 1: saw with you know, with you with what you saw
Speaker 1: from jahad Ward that type of player, and Bill to
Speaker 1: test this being an Oklahoma alum, because he could tell
Speaker 1: you if Charles Tapper played as a head up five
Speaker 1: technique when I'm taught that head up guy, that's a
Speaker 1: hit read read guy, a two gap player, so he
Speaker 1: would be he would be comfortable having to extend and
Speaker 1: having to look and find. But with if you play
Speaker 1: him inside, say at the three, if they were looking
Speaker 1: for somebody to move inside his body type going down
Speaker 1: and watching the drills yesterday, a thicker body and very
Speaker 1: similar to what jahad Ward looks like, you would say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe using Charles Tapper's quickness, you could maybe kick him inside.
Speaker 1: Because right now you could kick him, but maybe, but
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you could use him as a three or
Speaker 1: an under tackle. Because I'm looking at him and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking body type. He is not a finished guy. He's
Speaker 1: got some thickness to him, you know, and I've seen
Speaker 1: I saw a little power with him. But I'm also
Speaker 1: going off with what I saw at the University of
Speaker 1: Oklahoma where he was and extend in a two gap player.
Speaker 1: You know, to play two gap, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: have a little bit of power at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: And you know, they've taught him how to rush up
Speaker 1: the field, but maybe they could do the same thing.
Speaker 1: As an Oklahoma fan, it was so frustrating, sure, because
Speaker 1: he's an upfield player. Yeah, used him right, and that's
Speaker 1: and that's yeah exactly. But but what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: if they're looking for guys if if it's a potentially
Speaker 1: a Coney Eally on some stuff, if it's potentially a
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper on some stuff. Because right now, the twos
Speaker 1: behind behind you know, behind jahad Ward and behind Jones
Speaker 1: is Brian Price and Daniel Ross, you know, and Daniel
Speaker 1: Ross didn't look terrible yesterday, and he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit more of feel, quickness, prices, a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a stay in the gap guy. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of where you're at right now with your back up
Speaker 1: defensive work in Right now, look at the numensive end.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory to me, is going to play the right
Speaker 1: defensive end. That's where Randy basically he looked good. But
Speaker 1: look at but look at that. You just mentioned the
Speaker 1: competition there at right defensive end, even the backups. Right
Speaker 1: you got a fourth round draft pick who they like,
Speaker 1: Cony Ealy, who's had three sacks in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and there's if these guys are healthy and are coming along,
Speaker 1: that's competition for Gregory. But I will say the three
Speaker 1: of us, I think together we're watching the walkthrough yesterday,
Speaker 1: just watching him work with Mike Woissick h do the
Speaker 1: ring who basically, you can see the bend, you can
Speaker 1: see the explosion. The guy is he's six five, I
Speaker 1: think he's two forty two right now, and he moves
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver and I know, I know he's
Speaker 1: in sweats, and I know it's he's not practicing right now,
Speaker 1: but you can see how special he. You know. I ran,
Speaker 1: I ran into him in the parking lot later, and uh,
Speaker 1: just kind of small talk with him, and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, it looks like you never left doing that
Speaker 1: hoop drill and he and he just kind of smiled
Speaker 1: and I said, what did you do? Take win with you?
Speaker 1: I had to improvise. Yeah, so evidently he's been doing
Speaker 1: some stuff to try, but he didn't look like I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you know sometimes you watch these guys
Speaker 1: and they're constantly bending over and their shorts, the gatorade
Speaker 1: bottle taking time. I mean, it was drill, drill, drill,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and he was it looked good.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I thought, like, wow, that's okay, that's why,
Speaker 1: that's why they've that's why eighteen months. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be surprised for the next day or two that
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory talks to the media, and yeah, hopefully so
Speaker 1: for the first time. I understanding is that it'll happen
Speaker 1: after he has his first full practice. Okay, just like
Speaker 1: when he's when he's doing all this stuff, it's almost like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's you know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: part of the team, but he's not part of the team.
Speaker 1: You know how guys act when they're injured while I'm
Speaker 1: not talking, I'm injured or whatever. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what it's going to happen. Before we take our first break,
Speaker 1: let's go to the phone line. How about from Jacob
Speaker 1: and Odessa. You are on Talking Cowboys, the leadoff hitter Jacob.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Hello, Hello, can you hear me? Yes? Yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: So first off, big fan, been trying to get on
Speaker 1: the phone to you guys for four years. You are awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the coverage. Well, good that you got through.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Secondly, I know we maintain the best
Speaker 1: five mentality on the offensive line, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of wondering if they might apply that to the linebacker corps,
Speaker 1: maybe putting Jaylen at, Sam Vanderesh at, Mike and Sean
Speaker 1: Lee at the week side. I know we don't really
Speaker 1: like the best five mentality, but I thought that maybe
Speaker 1: in the linebacking corp it might apply better. Oh don't don't.
Speaker 1: Don't think they're not looking at that. But that'll be
Speaker 1: decided by vander Esh and Jalen Smith just how well
Speaker 1: they play, how quickly vander Esh makes the transition from
Speaker 1: college to the NFL. Because if he can handle the middle,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that they're thinking about.
Speaker 1: We've talked about using Jalen if Vanderesh can play in
Speaker 1: the middle as a pass rusher, and I think Jason
Speaker 1: talked about it, maybe not as a down guy, but
Speaker 1: when when he's standing up and maybe play that strong
Speaker 1: side a little differently. Or we talked yesterday about in
Speaker 1: their three down lineman rotation that he stands up as
Speaker 1: a linebacker and he goes, you know, not asking him
Speaker 1: to cover. So yeah, I think that's a very very
Speaker 1: real possibility, but it's got to play out. The other
Speaker 1: thing is, and we spoke to Rod Minnelli again about
Speaker 1: this yesterday. Okay, the Sam doesn't get a ton of
Speaker 1: snaps in this defense, right, So Rod keeps talking about
Speaker 1: how it's three guys for two spots and a rotation
Speaker 1: there right with those other two linebacker spots. Because he
Speaker 1: keeps emphasizing guys were playing specifically, Jalen Smith was playing
Speaker 1: too many snaps last year, right, but he played too
Speaker 1: many for his physical condition. They didn't want him having
Speaker 1: tight to carry that low sixty snaps a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this this kind of solves that in addition to
Speaker 1: depth because look at what happened last year with some
Speaker 1: of the injuries the well, and that's the thing about
Speaker 1: the linebacker position around the least, it's such a demanding
Speaker 1: position physically. I mean, we talk about how many injuries
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's had in his career. You can find linebackers
Speaker 1: on teams across the league where they've got the same
Speaker 1: injury issues because of that position. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: collision position. Yeah, lou Keiley for example, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you gotta have it can be a rotation, but
Speaker 1: there's one guy ain't coming off the field if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: oh sure, yeah, but the other two can rotate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, at some point in time they might
Speaker 1: want to look at given Sean a little bit of
Speaker 1: a break in games. I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: maybe do that because of his talent, but maybe it
Speaker 1: keeps him fresher and healthier for sixteen games. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not talking cut his snaps in half, but maybe
Speaker 1: occasionally when it's thirty to ten, got to step up
Speaker 1: there when they're up thirty to ten in the fourth quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Yes, it was the first time that we
Speaker 1: saw vander Esh and Sean Lee on the field at
Speaker 1: the same time in the period. And that was because
Speaker 1: a little bit because they had Sean and bubble wrapped
Speaker 1: during the OTA's and then Vanderesh got nicked up with
Speaker 1: the little bit of a hamstring. So yesterday was the
Speaker 1: first time that both those guys have played in the
Speaker 1: Nickel package together. And that that did what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: Rob that took that took Jalen Smith off the field
Speaker 1: in that situation, and I think that's maybe how they're
Speaker 1: thinking of sharing that when they go to Nickel get
Speaker 1: Jaalen off. Vander Esh is pretty good in coverage and
Speaker 1: not just man to man coverage. But I think Brian
Speaker 1: and I were watching one of the uh I can't
Speaker 1: remember for his OTA or mini camp, but he drops
Speaker 1: right and then they throw the ball underneath, and he's
Speaker 1: got this natural instinct, that natural instinct because he played
Speaker 1: eight man football, you see, had to be versatile, right,
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Speaker 1: to two hour show that will also air on t
Speaker 1: x A twenty one in Dallas four And I give
Speaker 1: another training camp tip if you're coming out here, if
Speaker 1: you if you come to the fields, find the film towers. Now,
Speaker 1: if you now these two this day to day won't matter,
Speaker 1: because both offense and defense are on both fields. But generally,
Speaker 1: if you come to practice and find where the film
Speaker 1: towers are set up pre practice, that will tell you
Speaker 1: where the majority of the practice will take care of.
Speaker 1: So if you get to a point on the field
Speaker 1: where you're like I can't see, well, just kind of
Speaker 1: look where the film towers or situated. They move them around.
Speaker 1: And if you kind of say, oh, film towers are
Speaker 1: all set up here in the end zone, that's going
Speaker 1: to be the primary field that they're going to work
Speaker 1: on for the day as to group together. So just
Speaker 1: a little tidbit if you're hanging along the fence line
Speaker 1: and want to get close to the action and do that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the towers already in place so
Speaker 1: they won't distract us moving down the field. Zach mood
Speaker 1: for us. Brian's right, because I had a family that
Speaker 1: showed up real early for the afternoon practice and they
Speaker 1: were like, are we going to be able to see here,
Speaker 1: and I told them the same thing, Yeah, the towers here,
Speaker 1: so find the film tower. Unfortunately, though in the regular
Speaker 1: practice they used both fields equally. I walked through in
Speaker 1: the morning. They used one when they can light line
Speaker 1: up and I can't come the walk through. But if
Speaker 1: you and when they get the full pads that the
Speaker 1: towers will be at the primary section of the field.
Speaker 1: Don't run and leave when you hear a whistle blow
Speaker 1: until you see the towers start to come down. They
Speaker 1: come down. Absolutely, everybody's got to get it in in uh,
Speaker 1: in line for the autographs. Yeah, and say hello, say
Speaker 1: hello to us. If you're on the on the fence line,
Speaker 1: everybody will say hello to Yeah. No, don't be afraid
Speaker 1: to do that, all right, before we go back to
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Another takeaway, Rob, you got something from yesterday?
Speaker 1: Was your big takeaway? I just not a huge one.
Speaker 1: I just enjoy watching Chris Rashard work. He's he's no,
Speaker 1: he never stops moving, he never stops talking. Um, his
Speaker 1: energy is pretty infectious. I think with these dbs, I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time just watching them. A lot
Speaker 1: of the focus was on RiPP drills, trying to get
Speaker 1: these guys to be aggressive, force some turnovers. Um, and
Speaker 1: I still I still kind of chuckle it looking at
Speaker 1: how the makeup of this dB secondary has become. And
Speaker 1: it's it's all these guys that are six feet taller
Speaker 1: over all, right, they they've already kind of molded that
Speaker 1: secondary in his vision. We all got out of the
Speaker 1: car at the same time, say all the same look. Seriously,
Speaker 1: he's he's got his imprint on this thing already. And
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how these guys. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if this is gonna be more of an aggressive group
Speaker 1: than we've seen in the past. You know what's what's
Speaker 1: interesting about that. I can't remember who the player was,
Speaker 1: but there's a player the Cowboys either acquired in free agency,
Speaker 1: a defensive back or I may have been a draft
Speaker 1: pick when Rod Marinelli first came here and coach Marinelli
Speaker 1: told him to study Seattle, and Um, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: now that Marinelli and Chris Richard, who was a former
Speaker 1: defensive coordinate at Seattle, have been married together, and so
Speaker 1: they are very similar in their approach or what Marinelli
Speaker 1: wants to do with this defense. Yeah, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: christ Shard's fingerprints are gonna be all over this defense,
Speaker 1: and I agree with Rob. I think you are going
Speaker 1: to see a more aggressive defense. One of my takeaways,
Speaker 1: if you ask me, we were talking about a blitzing
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. They brought linebackers three different times and blitzing
Speaker 1: in that tend to play ten to twelve play period,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make something happen. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: Jaalen Smith blitz, but you know, but you did see guys, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you did see linebackers coming. Uh. Justin March,
Speaker 1: Lillard was blitzing one time, Covington came one time, and
Speaker 1: then Damian Wilson came another time. So obviously they're going
Speaker 1: to try and create some pressure that way, not only
Speaker 1: with their with their front, but also with the blitz
Speaker 1: packages that they're gonna do. You know what else was
Speaker 1: glaring though without Cavan Frasier practicing um, non football injury
Speaker 1: as they kind of do some test on his blood
Speaker 1: clouding disorder when they went to the after the starters
Speaker 1: came out at safety. Oh my, yeah, we've kind of
Speaker 1: talked about there was no one else that has played
Speaker 1: really any football lining up behind the right now. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be the evalue. Whale showers move right up the
Speaker 1: depth charge. Yes he was second team, Well I believe
Speaker 1: it was with Mark Huff. Yes, yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: the thing with Huff. And Huff doesn't really look like
Speaker 1: a true free safety to me, or a safety. He
Speaker 1: looks like a shorter maybe a nickel corner. You know.
Speaker 1: He's got some toughness to him though. But I think
Speaker 1: this is a position that will McClay, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett will evaluate the first couple of weeks of
Speaker 1: this training camp and hey, it might not be that
Speaker 1: guy in the Pacific Northwest, but they might have to
Speaker 1: look at something, especially if Frasier is unable to play,
Speaker 1: experience the move. If Frasier comes out in two three days,
Speaker 1: and let's hope it doesn't happen that way. Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: He's give you the idea what's happening with the blood clotting.
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't, if if if he's not able
Speaker 1: to play, they're going to make a move again, not
Speaker 1: maybe the guy in the Pacific Northwest, but there are
Speaker 1: other safeties out there. Yeah, and at least Huff has
Speaker 1: some experience. I think he's been in the league three
Speaker 1: years play, but at least he kind of knows how
Speaker 1: to get onto the field. You know where the fifty
Speaker 1: yard line is? Right? All right, back to the phone lines,
Speaker 1: and let's check in with John and Oregon. John, you
Speaker 1: are on talking Cowboys? Hello, Hodi, how are you all
Speaker 1: doing today? Very well? Speaking of the Pacific Northwest? Brian
Speaker 1: doesn't like that. Yeah, there you go, thank you, So
Speaker 1: go ahead a question, John, Yeah, I do have a question. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just realized my error, the one thing I promised
Speaker 1: myself i'd never do when Brian live. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: better than you know that. Yeah, it's preseason for John
Speaker 1: m Yeah. So guys, listen to my statement before you
Speaker 1: drawing massive conclusions. But my number one thing is I'm
Speaker 1: a little concerned with Vanderish being labeled to bust. And
Speaker 1: I know this is very early, but here's my thought
Speaker 1: on it. Number one, I really think that the linebackers
Speaker 1: says we're drafted and second around, um Lee and Smith
Speaker 1: both are gonna show a little bit more on field
Speaker 1: potential than vander Esh who has been drafted a lot higher.
Speaker 1: And um I really don't think it's purely in his hands.
Speaker 1: As far as his performance, I think he could play great.
Speaker 1: I really think it's going to be our second and
Speaker 1: third round picks that are going to decide whether or not,
Speaker 1: not necessarily internally to the Cowboys organization, whether or not
Speaker 1: he's a bust. What John, can I stop you? Where? Where? Where?
Speaker 1: Where did the bust label come out before the pads
Speaker 1: ever came on? Where did you see that? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that me personally. No, Well,
Speaker 1: where did you where did you come up with the idea? Though?
Speaker 1: Like who labeled him a bust? Nobody's labeled him a
Speaker 1: bust yet I could hear the situation will happen. And
Speaker 1: the reason I fear the situation that has happened is because,
Speaker 1: Number One, when you look at vander esh coming out
Speaker 1: of college, he only had one year there. The linebackers
Speaker 1: that started in front of him definitely had there. You
Speaker 1: don't see those linebackers in the NFL, and the linebackers
Speaker 1: are currently on the roster have a longer history of
Speaker 1: performance in their college careers. And I know that before
Speaker 1: the draft there was a lot of pressure for people
Speaker 1: to get us or get the Cowboys of safety, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: tons of other positions over a potential vander Esh. I
Speaker 1: like Vanderesh, I look forward to him doing very well.
Speaker 1: My question boils down to what do you guys think
Speaker 1: his season would have to look like so that nobody
Speaker 1: comes up with that conclusion, because on one hand, I
Speaker 1: feel that he could have a wonderful season and still
Speaker 1: get labeled in that area if the passing game fails
Speaker 1: or if the offensive line looks like it did last year. John,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And you know, the one thing to
Speaker 1: keep in mind about any linebacker coming in as a rookie,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee didn't start his first year in the league.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Keith Brooking was on the team
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't remember looking back and Keith Brooking, who
Speaker 1: played over ten years in the league, by James, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't start his rookie year with the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: either his stone back nineteen ninety eight or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: a very difficult position to learn so from make the
Speaker 1: transition from a mental standpoint much less of physical. We
Speaker 1: saw it with Jalen Smith last year. He got basically
Speaker 1: thrown into the fire a lot because of an injury
Speaker 1: where they had to play him more, and so his
Speaker 1: head was swimming out there. And so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: no one should make a final judgment on Layton vanderash
Speaker 1: until he's got several years in the league. I saw
Speaker 1: Mickey's head pop up like a cocker spaniel right there.
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna get fired up. He asked
Speaker 1: the question before I did. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I you know, I find myself during watching the draft,
Speaker 1: doing the Draft show. Though there were things I was
Speaker 1: critical about Layton Vanderish, I think the most critical thing
Speaker 1: I was was to take on and you could see
Speaker 1: that on tape. If John would have asked the question, Brian,
Speaker 1: are you concerned about Layton Vanderish playing in the league
Speaker 1: taking on guys? I would say, yeah, I am. But
Speaker 1: I think that if you look at him, the physical
Speaker 1: traits he has, the makeup the NFL coaching that he's
Speaker 1: gonna get. You know, Jayleen Smith, we did that. We
Speaker 1: did the tail of the tape with Jayleen Smith. Jaylen
Speaker 1: Smith talks about playing with one hand and running to
Speaker 1: the football. You know, those are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that they teach you how to do. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think. To me, I don't understand the bust thing.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're worried, you're panicky. You know, if
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, he doesn't play, if he's if
Speaker 1: he's not a good player, and then that would be
Speaker 1: a miss pick. I mean, I don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: But I think there's just too many traits. And again,
Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy that had some concerns about
Speaker 1: him initially. And if John's question would have went that route,
Speaker 1: I would have tried to comfort him by saying, this
Speaker 1: guy is a big physical guy, Okay, if he if
Speaker 1: they could work with him with his hands, and because
Speaker 1: the lateral movement there, the strengths there, he just needs
Speaker 1: to a little bit more refinement in that area. I
Speaker 1: would that would be the route I would have taken
Speaker 1: right there. I'm not worried about this bust tag that
Speaker 1: John's trying to they deep down in his heart, he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so worried about a first round. I'm I'm worried
Speaker 1: about a first round bust. You know, I don't that
Speaker 1: That doesn't make I mean, the comparison you keep hearing
Speaker 1: Jason mentioned it in his Trustcarmers yesterday, not directly Brian
Speaker 1: Herlocker right, like, not saying he's gonna be a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, but it got a big linebacker who can
Speaker 1: cover space right and run. It's pretty rare and that's
Speaker 1: something that Marion Ellie needs in his scheme. And that's
Speaker 1: why they think he just he checks the boxes for
Speaker 1: what you want to know linebacker. The guy that I
Speaker 1: would compare more so is Rolando McClain. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: type of career he had when he was you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a physical big linebacker. If you want somebody,
Speaker 1: it's perfect for Marinelli's scheme. If you had the eighth
Speaker 1: rowerall pick you draft Roquan Smith, because Roquan Smith is
Speaker 1: Derek Brooks. That that type of player in the Tampa scheme.
Speaker 1: But to compare it with Marinelli had success with a
Speaker 1: taller mic linebacker. That's your good example, right. It's not
Speaker 1: because they're both white. It is because, hey, physically, that's
Speaker 1: how he looks on tape and in this scheme and
Speaker 1: let him let him play. Thank you practice time. You
Speaker 1: know the other thing, we're not against you, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just I just I wonder if his pads fit Hey.
Speaker 1: The other The other thing too is he missed a
Speaker 1: little time laid in offseason workouts because of the ankle,
Speaker 1: and and you know they're working him at at mainly
Speaker 1: Mike a little bit of will they're gonna bring him all.
Speaker 1: That's a huge thing for him him is staying healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is would be a knock against player out
Speaker 1: there right now. But he had a history of boise
Speaker 1: state of not being able to stay on the field too,
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a concern as well about the
Speaker 1: second round pick, Conor Williams. Uh. Yeah, you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to take a look at him yesterday. Yeah, again
Speaker 1: in the ten to twelve player he was in there
Speaker 1: with the first unit. Yes, he is, and I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the first unit until we
Speaker 1: see otherwise. And what's interesting is they were not playing
Speaker 1: a fleming That's what I stood out to me, but
Speaker 1: not playing flaming a left tackle. They were playing Chaz
Speaker 1: greena left tackle. They're playing flaming at right tackle. So
Speaker 1: Mickey did bring that up. But if you look at
Speaker 1: the offensive line, Yeah, there was a time yesterday where
Speaker 1: they tried to run Jo hot War. They tried to
Speaker 1: run a twist stunt where they went. They went down
Speaker 1: inside with Jones, and they went down inside with Crawford,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna try and bring hot ward all
Speaker 1: the way around. And so what happened is you get
Speaker 1: you get a pass from Martin, you get a pass
Speaker 1: from Frederick, and they pass it all the way to
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, and Connor Williams put himself in really good
Speaker 1: position to pick it up, and that way they had
Speaker 1: everybody accounted for inside. So good start for the young guy.
Speaker 1: When those Pro Bowl guys send players down to you,
Speaker 1: you make sure you're in position and be smart enough
Speaker 1: and aware enough that if they pass him to you,
Speaker 1: that's your man. And that way, Prescott sits in them
Speaker 1: in the pocket, gets the ball to the outside. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that stands out with him is he's
Speaker 1: got good feet. Yes, even when to get it, even
Speaker 1: when to get a little wide at times, he got
Speaker 1: good feet and balanced like that shows that he could
Speaker 1: play tackle. So to have those feet inside I think
Speaker 1: really helps with the suddenness that he's gonna face, because
Speaker 1: when you're on the outside, it's just kind of you
Speaker 1: and that guy you're inside it's coming from all over.
Speaker 1: And I like the way the fact that he and
Speaker 1: I saw him out there getting ready for his conditioning
Speaker 1: drills at the Star and he was doing these little
Speaker 1: foot drills where they have the kind of ladder thing
Speaker 1: on the floor I think on the field and you
Speaker 1: got to do your steps through it. He's pretty good
Speaker 1: at it's a little like Zach Martin. Yeah, guy primarily
Speaker 1: was a left tackle for his team in college, and
Speaker 1: it's the it's the arm linked thing at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: or maybe he's more of a guard, but um, you've
Speaker 1: talked about his strength a little bit, and that's maybe
Speaker 1: something that comes down and that's gonna be the one thing.
Speaker 1: If there's gonna be if we're gonna get into some
Speaker 1: one on one and and we're making some observations on
Speaker 1: our shows, it might be how Zach had a I
Speaker 1: mean excume uh Connor had a little problems. He got
Speaker 1: a little over extended. When you get over extended is
Speaker 1: when you don't have confidence that you could sit down
Speaker 1: on a guy because you're trying to get to him
Speaker 1: before he can get to you, So you over extend.
Speaker 1: If he's gonna have an issue, if he's going to
Speaker 1: have an issue. That is what it's gonna be. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be the little bit of a lunge to try
Speaker 1: and compensate for being a young guy that needs to
Speaker 1: develop some power and upper body. That might take until
Speaker 1: the folk just read read. Paul Alexander, the new offensive
Speaker 1: line coach, told us he took Connor and pointed at
Speaker 1: Tyrant and he pointed in. He said, these guys don't
Speaker 1: look anything like they did when they got here. Right,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need that first year. But you know he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a year for that. What do
Speaker 1: they have? Connor Williams list three hundred pounds three or five?
Speaker 1: Three He wanted to play at three or five, he
Speaker 1: told us. Half he can easily be three twenty next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and not like bad weight, just lifting because
Speaker 1: he's got a sleek body structure. Right, Tyren Smith with
Speaker 1: the body structure, I mean it doesn't look like Larry Allen, right, no, no,
Speaker 1: and so wait but he'll put on But yeah, that
Speaker 1: may be a problem as a rookie, but wait till
Speaker 1: next year. They those kids. I give those rookies credit.
Speaker 1: They did not let them go home once they were drafted.
Speaker 1: They were here for the their mini camp stuff, like
Speaker 1: they stayed the whole time. A lot of those kids
Speaker 1: were eating breakfast with us every day. Well, Connor Williams
Speaker 1: was already home, right, Well yeah, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the kids were what you're saying listing him at three
Speaker 1: ten and in the media guy, they list him at
Speaker 1: three ten. Yeah, coming out of college, he was two
Speaker 1: ninety eight actually right right. So he when we met
Speaker 1: with him on the Draft show during the draft actual draft,
Speaker 1: he said he wanted to play at three oh five.
Speaker 1: So if he's in three ten, that's that's good. You
Speaker 1: got a laminated roster over there. Makey to Brian um
Speaker 1: broad listed over there. I'm sorry, that's that's quite all right.
Speaker 1: I've got my own makeshift. I know, no, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what Brian started, He opened to can of
Speaker 1: worms because I went into pr and and they accused
Speaker 1: me of causing a problem. I going toward you and
Speaker 1: what problem did I do? Now? And they said laminated rosters?
Speaker 1: And I said I was broadest, not me, But everybody
Speaker 1: weren't coming in asking where are the laminated rosters? All right?
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Speaker 1: Cowboys for the first time in two thousand and eighteen
Speaker 1: Training Camp Nebbie in Silver Springs, Maryland. Nebbie, how you
Speaker 1: doing hum, I'm doing well. Thanks for asking listen. I
Speaker 1: know there's been a lot of talk this offseason about
Speaker 1: who are number one receiver is going to be, But
Speaker 1: I just want to say that that if our receiving
Speaker 1: core uh plays well as a unit uh uh uh
Speaker 1: and plays well uh uh as a team, and we
Speaker 1: play well in all three aspects of the game. Uh
Speaker 1: uh uh as a football team. Uh, we're gonna give
Speaker 1: ourselves a chance uh uh uh to win games and
Speaker 1: become Super Bowl uh champions. So my point is, uh,
Speaker 1: what we have to do uh uh uh uh uh
Speaker 1: uh is win games as a football team. And if
Speaker 1: we can do that, uh, we're gonna give We're gonna
Speaker 1: give ourselves a chance. Uh take care of Thanks for
Speaker 1: being patient with me. Have a great weekend, uh and
Speaker 1: a great week all right, Nebby, Thank you neb at
Speaker 1: Wide Receiver Corps. Everyone's talking about him. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: It's about the consistency of practice. Who are the guys
Speaker 1: Mickey brought up Thompson, you know, already off on a
Speaker 1: on a pretty good start. You saw Michael Gallup took
Speaker 1: a ball off the top of Duke Thomas's head last
Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon on a play. You know, Duke never even
Speaker 1: knew he was there. Next thing, you know, Michael is
Speaker 1: reaching over the top and pulling the ball off the
Speaker 1: top of the back of his or back to the
Speaker 1: back of his helmet. So yeah, those guys, we're gonna
Speaker 1: see it. We're gonna see a lot of one on ones.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see some very competitive cornerback play, so it'll
Speaker 1: be some good battles back and forth. The guys who
Speaker 1: are the most consistent are the ones that are gonna
Speaker 1: be here. And you've been banging this drum, and I
Speaker 1: agree Terrence Williams, this might be an opportunity for him
Speaker 1: or a situation where it motivates him to have a
Speaker 1: big time season. And really, because he's more thought. His
Speaker 1: pretty telling along those lines that he was out there
Speaker 1: yesterday and yeah he's got more time. He actually did
Speaker 1: more yesterday. Yeah, I anticipated Terrence is a you know Terence.
Speaker 1: You can say what you want about Terrence, but you
Speaker 1: never question his toughness, never questions because his desire to
Speaker 1: want to be out there is he sometimes misguided? Absolutely
Speaker 1: he is. But I believe that Terrence Niman does love
Speaker 1: playing a Terrence Naman. Terrence Williams loves playing this game.
Speaker 1: I think he does. And I think it again. I
Speaker 1: think he was embarrassed by happening in the offseason, and
Speaker 1: I think when he gets to go out here and
Speaker 1: be full tilt, you're gonna see a totally different player.
Speaker 1: You know. I think here's what you gotta hope with
Speaker 1: him is I think he understood his spot on the
Speaker 1: team with Dez. It's like you're you're playing with your
Speaker 1: big brother, and you know what your spot in the
Speaker 1: family is. And now all of this brother gone right,
Speaker 1: and now it's like, oh, who do I have to
Speaker 1: play second fiddle to? Right? You know, Alan Herns just
Speaker 1: got here right, and you know he had He had
Speaker 1: as good a season one time as Alan Hearns, Cole Beasley,
Speaker 1: all these other guys are young. So maybe he looks
Speaker 1: at it as Okay, maybe I can assert myself a
Speaker 1: little bit more and I'm not the subservient wide receiver
Speaker 1: to this offense. I don't know if that's what he's thinking,
Speaker 1: but he should be. There's times I disagree with this man.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with him on that. I really don't,
Speaker 1: because that, to me is that's where it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's gonna look over Remember the one time
Speaker 1: that Dez didn't play, he one of his best games
Speaker 1: he ever had, that Washington game where Kellen Moore through him.
Speaker 1: It was like over two hundred yards. You know, again,
Speaker 1: he's capable. That saw in the Kansas City game last year.
Speaker 1: He's capable of catching a ball on second and fifteen
Speaker 1: and getting twenty five yards. He's capable of doing those things,
Speaker 1: and Mix always made the comparison. He's kind of been
Speaker 1: the Alvin Harper of this generation to Dez's Mike, you know.
Speaker 1: And and now they need somebody else to take over
Speaker 1: and at least make them account for you, to help
Speaker 1: back off things for Zeke in the running game, so
Speaker 1: they're not just pressing up on everything. So he's got
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Alan hearns as an opportunity, Thompson as an opportunity.
Speaker 1: There's really no sing Beasley around. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: blanket overall, and see who emerges, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think what happens in this situation is the unknown scares
Speaker 1: everybody out there because they don't know, right and who
Speaker 1: knows these guys might have something I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start. I'm not gonna start. You're a bust. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna criticize until I see it. Give us
Speaker 1: a week four, give him a chance, to give him
Speaker 1: a chance. But the unknown scares people. And there's always
Speaker 1: been situations here where, And I think Brian's always been
Speaker 1: a proponent of this is yeah, get rid of this
Speaker 1: veteran and let this young guy go. And I'm going,
Speaker 1: are you sure? How do you know? Well they've done it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now we're gonna face the unknown and see how
Speaker 1: it turns out. You know, in this talk radio age
Speaker 1: that we live in too, like with Terrence Williams, people
Speaker 1: remember not running out of bounds much more so than
Speaker 1: nine receptions for one hundred and forty one yards in
Speaker 1: this Kansas City, Kansas City. I told you that. You
Speaker 1: watch him play against Kansas City, and I get it.
Speaker 1: Vick and Ventur out there is going, all right, brought us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's we're in a situation right now where
Speaker 1: he didn't have a touchdown catch, he didn't have this,
Speaker 1: he didn't have that. But I think that to me,
Speaker 1: you watch that Kansas City game. They threw him screens,
Speaker 1: they threw him in and in that game also you
Speaker 1: talk about not going out of bounce, he stayed in
Speaker 1: bounce on a third down play to keep the clock going.
Speaker 1: And you saw the sidelines basically Garrett and everybody's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll clapping, you know, But he knew, he knew the
Speaker 1: game situation, catch the fall down. Yeah, all right, I know,
Speaker 1: little nuts, but yeah, he's teachable. Now, who's your guy
Speaker 1: in Ventur again? Vick, Vick and Ventour. We don't have
Speaker 1: Vic and Tour on the line, but we do have
Speaker 1: Manny and Baker's feed. That works for me too. Yeah, Manny,
Speaker 1: you're on Talking Cowboys. Hey, good morning guys, first time
Speaker 1: called her a long time listener. Thank you. So, Uh
Speaker 1: my question is uh knowing that you know pattern practice
Speaker 1: is coming up Saturday. Yeah, who's that one guy except
Speaker 1: for the obvious Randy Gregory, Who's that one guy you're
Speaker 1: looking at and saying, give him the right opportunity. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be making the roster that nobody expected. Nobody nobody see.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go jahad Ward going again against Martin.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to see I want to see
Speaker 1: Donte Jones and I want to see these tackles going
Speaker 1: against Connor Williams and Frederick and you know when they
Speaker 1: do the one on one stuff, I want to see
Speaker 1: how many times because Travis Frederick is a machine. Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick and then Zach Martiner machines out there when it
Speaker 1: comes to technique and keeping the guys off and how
Speaker 1: competitive are But if you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 1: you're looking at to make the team because of the
Speaker 1: pads or we don't expect, we don't expect, I wow,
Speaker 1: I got one go ahead. How about Duke Thomas? Talked
Speaker 1: about him, talked about him a little longhorn, Duke Thomas,
Speaker 1: Did you mention him? No? I mean because that's who
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup took the ball off his Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't a great moment for him. But just watching
Speaker 1: him out there, he's very fluid, absolutely to this team.
Speaker 1: Last year, he might have made the team if he hadn't.
Speaker 1: I think he hurt his foot in his an. This
Speaker 1: is tough for Rob Phillips to discuss, extremely because Rob
Speaker 1: is an aggie and Duke Thomas is a longhorn, extremely tough,
Speaker 1: extremely tough. I bled maroon. Yeah, but you know, I
Speaker 1: keep it. I go down the middle here. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy because you're looking at the depth
Speaker 1: of the secondary and he does have a little experience.
Speaker 1: He's been in the system for a year. They need
Speaker 1: somebody to round out that rotation and it's already a
Speaker 1: young secondary anyway, So he's got a shot, throw a
Speaker 1: guy out there, and maybe this is not the right
Speaker 1: angle that that they were looking for. Me, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: man he was looking for. But what about Rico gathers?
Speaker 1: And I'm saying this in this way if it turns
Speaker 1: into padded practices, and who can block? Can he can he?
Speaker 1: If we if we look up and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we see both Scarborough and we see So you're
Speaker 1: saying it more so that he can make the team.
Speaker 1: What happens in padded press, you know, whereas you're not
Speaker 1: predicting it so much, but you're seeing you want to
Speaker 1: watch it. He he looks, He looks lumbery out here
Speaker 1: right now. But maybe when you put pads on everybody
Speaker 1: else they kind of become a little cumbersome and lumbery.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is where this is where umbery lumbery.
Speaker 1: But but but right now we kind of in our
Speaker 1: mind even chasing here, it's like, oh, we've got three
Speaker 1: tight ends where you know you got four time right ends, coach,
Speaker 1: you're really kind of thinking about. But maybe this is
Speaker 1: where Rico gathers. All of a sudden, it's like, huh,
Speaker 1: they run the ball behind you see you see Williams
Speaker 1: or Jackson or one of those guys. Scarborough break one
Speaker 1: behind him. You know, oh hey, they kind of he
Speaker 1: caved down everything inside, ball comes the outside, and you
Speaker 1: know you're like, oh, who through that block? Oh that
Speaker 1: was Wells and Rico Gathers on the outside there. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's where all of a sudden we think of we've
Speaker 1: seen Rico Gathers make plays in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game where he's running across and catching the ball and
Speaker 1: doing that. But maybe this is where now when you
Speaker 1: put the pads on for Rico Gathers, that turned into Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about me, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: block better than Dalton Schultz. I'm gonna block better than
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. I'm gonna block better than Jeff Swaying. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's the reason that their mind they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep if we're gonna run twelve personnel stuff,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep Rico Gathers potentially as a big body block.
Speaker 1: Every time we talked to Rico, he talks about his blocking. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the part he's got to fix. Because you think
Speaker 1: about these basketball players that become tight ends, it's well,
Speaker 1: they can get a jump ball and get the footballs.
Speaker 1: He could do that. He could do that, And I
Speaker 1: made up a nice word, lumberree. I good word. But
Speaker 1: but you watch him catch it's it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a battleship trying to turn to get out to see.
Speaker 1: It doesn't turn really quick. It takes it some time.
Speaker 1: But but talking to Jason Witton about Rico gathers uh,
Speaker 1: more so than the ability to catch the football, it's
Speaker 1: the ability to read defenses. There that that that that's
Speaker 1: always getting will care him because of his limited experience.
Speaker 1: He is football like you, so to speak. He's saying
Speaker 1: a very nice way to is what he's saying. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm but Alan Larkin, no trouble finding this Ustin Austin Larkin.
Speaker 1: Now I'm joking. No, he wasn't bad because in the
Speaker 1: OTAs had him working early. Let me tell you this though,
Speaker 1: he was the ten Guys ten Surprise ten guys of
Speaker 1: training Camp obversation I had of ten players, he was
Speaker 1: number nine on my list of guys. I thought, so, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's guys, got a little first step burst, justine slide.
Speaker 1: He's I think, yeah, I think already does Covington fit
Speaker 1: into that category. Is he like gonna make this team.
Speaker 1: I gonna make the team be a special if he
Speaker 1: can show that, right, they're trying to keep as many
Speaker 1: of those linebackers as they can. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: you know he's That's an interesting story because he was
Speaker 1: a he was a quarterback initially at Indiana and now
Speaker 1: is really learning the defensive side of the game. So
Speaker 1: hopefully he can maintain that type of play. Joel Lanning
Speaker 1: make it as a special team. I think you're looking
Speaker 1: at a practice squad player right there. Did you see
Speaker 1: him out there practicing deep snapping? I did not. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: there you go. That's what you gotta do. You gotta
Speaker 1: do something that all of a sudden they put you
Speaker 1: into game and you're like, you've played, you played a
Speaker 1: whole half of football, and then the fourth quarter of
Speaker 1: the last snap, last punt, you're snapping the football and
Speaker 1: it's not over somebody's head. That's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's three longs. I don't know it's
Speaker 1: on this team. Now. Yeah, you got Scott Daley backing
Speaker 1: up LP, and now you got Joel. I think there's
Speaker 1: some guards that can also. Who's the emergency snap. I
Speaker 1: got yelled. At one time, Rich Besaccio, I was doing
Speaker 1: a game on the radio and Besaco, who's your backup snapper?
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you asking that question for? I said,
Speaker 1: because I'm doing the game of the radio. I just
Speaker 1: want to know. He goes, you're chinks in it. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't need a backup snap. Don't don't talk like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I got yeah. I'm like here,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just trying to think of, like late in
Speaker 1: the game, who's snapping the ball? Besaca just lights into me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Actually, time you don't have a
Speaker 1: backup snappers to get the emergency snap, not the backup snapper. Still,
Speaker 1: that's that's still not quite as bad, though they don't
Speaker 1: want to hear that. Okay, So I'm uh practice in
Speaker 1: pads and the caller sort of alludes to it who
Speaker 1: you're looking for h as far as putting the pads on. Uh.
Speaker 1: More than anything, I'm just I just love the one
Speaker 1: on one drills, you know, and especially going up tackles
Speaker 1: about how about if it's not like an obscure guy,
Speaker 1: where's Chaz Green, where's his mind? He's getting an IV right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, but I'm with you on this because
Speaker 1: they're over got Cameron Fleming has not taken a snap.
Speaker 1: He's playing right tackle. You're gonna be the swing guy.
Speaker 1: I want to see you play left because if he
Speaker 1: could play left, you probably can start teammate in New
Speaker 1: England one on the right side. Super Bowl right side.
Speaker 1: So because they had Solder on the other. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that right tackle messes up your offense,
Speaker 1: but I know left tackle does. For this group. It does. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can always move vile Collins. Then he got an option.
Speaker 1: Well it's an option and you got to make too.
Speaker 1: He looked good moving around yesterday too. Yeah. Wow Collins,
Speaker 1: I mean, my gosh. Yeah, he's he's getting He's got this.
Speaker 1: He's all he's getting the hang of this thing. He
Speaker 1: really is talked about. All these linemen they all can move.
Speaker 1: Watch him, they're all they're massive, they can move. He
Speaker 1: does a kickstep where he gets so wide and and
Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, I mean, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're trying like they're they're Laurens is trying to
Speaker 1: rush him and he kicks him so wide and Laurns
Speaker 1: just quit. It's like he was like, okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna beat you here, you know kind of things. So
Speaker 1: it's just a big body, that athletic and doing those
Speaker 1: kinds of things. By the way, as we close talking cowboys,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, I mean I hate people like this. He
Speaker 1: can play football, he's an all American guy and everything.
Speaker 1: He can also write. Apparently he wrote a story for
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com and uh, they just post it this morning,
Speaker 1: and it's about social media and how players need to
Speaker 1: turn off their mention that Twitter has its as its
Speaker 1: placed and he will he will use Twitter as far
Speaker 1: as keeping up with stories and things on that like that.
Speaker 1: But you turn off your mentions and you don't listen
Speaker 1: to the let me say it noise. Let me say
Speaker 1: another thing, Vic and Ventura. If you're gonna tag me
Speaker 1: with a player, you know you know that that's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I'll come back at you if
Speaker 1: you're not right, I think the fictional right. Yeah, We're
Speaker 1: gonna find him. There's gotta be something I've been telling you.
Speaker 1: I've been telling you you know, when when you tag us,
Speaker 1: if you want to ask me a question and then
Speaker 1: you tag the player after I answer your question or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Shame on you, bro. I will come about.
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you. Somebody comes up to you and says, hi,
Speaker 1: my name's Vic, and you're gonna say where are you from?
Speaker 1: And he's gonna say Vin tur and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: him it if he makes it up, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a picture with that person when it happened, and I
Speaker 1: will like that picture yep on Twitter. There you go,
Speaker 1: twet it. We got a big weekend ahead, lots to
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