WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: The Unknown At WR 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:18.440 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's talking Cowboys 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.880 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:34.720 Star in Friscoola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broms, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:39.400 and Bill Jones. And it is day number two of 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.560 practices here at Oxnard, California, home of the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.680 training camp twenty eighteen. We got one practice down, we 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.680 got one more to go, and then they put the 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.400 pads on tomorrow on the field behind us here I 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.360 am Bill Jones with Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:02.960 Spagnola and you. Yes, we have phone lines available here 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.360 from training camp and you can make a call and 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.479 be a part of the show. Nine seven two four 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.160 nine seven forty four hundred, the number one the screen 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.840 there nine seven two four ninety four hundred. I look 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.360 forward to taking some phone calls always. Yeah, I'd be 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.600 interesting though that kind of get some of the ideas, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.520 you know, you talked about the practices and stuff and 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.880 you really had to try and try and pull some 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.600 things out of it, but there were some good things 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.160 out there. Just always interested in the fans. I found 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.400 that a lot of the things that we do now, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.280 the fans are so hungry for information and who's this 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.160 and who's doing that stuff. So I'm sure we'll have 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.759 some some calls asking those types of questions, Hey, what'd 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.119 you see third tid, who's playing the who's starting tied in? Who? 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.000 What's the receiver rotation and all that. So, but that's 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.920 always a good part about the show's the interaction with 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.040 the four well and the other thing when you look 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.040 back at yesterday, from what they did in the afternoon 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.960 compared to the walkthrough, I got more out of the 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.440 walkthrough than I did the afternoon practice. Yeah. Absolutely, they 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.920 did have a period before they actually went they headed 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.400 together the group thing where they went like ten twelve 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.160 plays where you could kind of it was it was 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.600 the guys were not it was not you know, uh 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.520 like I'm not saying it wasn't full speed, but it 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.800 was it was you could get a little bit about 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.200 they were running some twist stunts, guys are picking some 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.760 things up. You got some combinations of some routes that 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.920 you can saw. You saw the quarterbacks throwing the football. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.280 That's kind of where from that point those ten eleven 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.360 twelve plays. I got something out of that just from 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.760 the little the compete side of it. But the rest 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.000 of the practice was, Okay, where's Layton Vanderish lining up? Okay, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.800 where's Jalen Smith lining up? Okay? Where who's playing the 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.960 third defensive in for me? Right now? That that's where 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.000 I got in the second half of the practice the 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.240 extension of mini camp and OTAs, and it was worse 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.120 than mini camp and ote It's just the same because 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.400 they're easing them back in, all of them. I mean, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.640 they couldn't line up against each other. They had to 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.119 use the guys on offense that weren't in the well 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.040 did you see the parting eleven? No, I know what 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.320 you just said. Yeah, but after that, a lot of 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.240 individual for an hour and forty five minutes of the 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.280 coaches with little beanies on lining up as linebackers and 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.160 dbs twenty four hours. Mick, all right, we'll get the 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:15.040 pads on very quickly. And he's league mandated. Yes, I 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.040 think you can't go up the players Association. Basically great 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.560 stuff by the Players Association. No player safety, Mickey, we 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.880 gotta think about that. Yeah, Well, but they don't think 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.240 about their contracts and stuff. They just they caught. They 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.080 they forfeited money to be out here and play pansy football. Mickey, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.120 I hate, I hate to say this, guys, but in 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.760 two years time we might not be having talking Cowboys. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.840 Just be nice to the callers, Okay, exactly, exactly nicer 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:49.000 than Mickey is to the leafblower or the security guy. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:55.520 Everybody hates. Mickey was on one yesterday, Boy's minute. We 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.200 need to bring that, Yeah, but some of that I 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.560 can't put on Mickey Smith. Yeah, like that that we 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.360 won't go into that one, all right, So we look 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.880 at what we got out of yesterday. The one thing 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.080 that that it was in the walkthrough that I noticed 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.200 immediately and I believe Brian brought us maybe writing about 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.440 it later today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Cole Beasley 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.880 and Tavon Austin on the field at the same time, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.279 which is means one of those smaller guys is playing outside. Right. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.040 I thought it was interesting because I kind of thought 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.640 maybe Scott, you know, in this day and age, everybody 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.440 says you're trolling somebody, you know, like on Twitter, you're troll, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.880 You're trolling, They're trolling. You. I think Scott Lenahan might 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.719 have been trolling us a little bit yesterday because he 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.280 did he put he put Cole Beasley and Tavon Austin 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.159 on the field. Really is the X and the and 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.000 the Z. And then they used Alan Hearns with some 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.520 inside slot stuff. So you're thinking, you don't traditionally feel 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.400 like that two five eighth receivers are going to be 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.280 outside you know, receiver, but that that's something that a 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.320 little bit in OTA's we saw Cole Beasley playing some 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.359 more on the outside, and now it's going to be okay, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.600 how do you get him routes down. It's not gonna 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.400 be about throwing him vertical passes and stuff. It's gonna 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.640 be about throwing him the outs, you know, not so 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.760 much the slants, but outs, curls, things like that. They 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.120 hit Tavon Austin that little period. Drill I was talking 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.200 about playing as a tight, tight and tight formation and 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.960 he went up, they cleared the tight end and they 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.480 curled around. So just trying to get a little guy 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.320 open quickly though, that's what they're doing on the outside. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.240 Well you get him if he's on the outside, and 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.720 we saw it in OTAs in minicamp quite a bit, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.960 even even when they went two wide receivers, and you know, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.680 it's a little more difficult to double team him off 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.000 the line of scrimmage the way sometimes it was happening 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.080 in the slot with bracket coverage the other thing. And 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.720 I don't know, you know, take this for what it's worth. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.080 When I was talking to Gil Brandt about Alan Hearns 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.600 and he said, well, I think Alan Hearns is as 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.599 a slot receiver, and so maybe they're looking at and 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.640 maybe they can create some mismatches that side with his size, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.240 and maybe he gets a little bit more single coverage 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.320 there and he gets off the line of scrimmage. We 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.560 did see Tavon and Cole on the field together in 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.560 OTAs or mini camp a little bit. I don't know 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.320 if we both saw him on the outside. Yeah, that's 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.159 that's what that's different. Yeah, Jason Garrett spoke to what 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.279 you just said, make a little bit yesterday. I think 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.600 in terms of he likes the versatility of all these receivers. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.760 They can all play different spots. I think Hearns can 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.760 play any spot on the right. It remains to be 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.000 seen about Cole on the outside. They've never really done 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.560 it consistently, but again it maybe it creates a situation 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.240 where he's not in such a log jam and you 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.240 can bracket him. Yeah, that's what mickey. Yeah, it's good 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.919 point by Mickey right there. Anything to do to free 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.559 him up, you know, because he's one of those guys 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.800 you throw the ball to time, he's gonna catch that football. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.840 So anything you could do to free him up one 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.600 on one situations and teams and teams noticed that last 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.160 I said that he came das guy in twenty sixteen. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:54.920 It was like it was second and four and who 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:56.400 was he throwing the ball to on the on the 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.400 boots waggles Maybe you know it was Witna, but Cole 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.400 Beasley on the outs, little coral routes, all those things 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.320 that Colbs is really sneaky on running those type of routes. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.280 But I'm not saying this is gonna be you know, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.640 let's run nine routes, vertical routes with Colbes and let 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.240 him go fight for the ball in the air. That's 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.400 just not his game. But things underneath, stuff to the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.520 outside all good and well, and this will you know, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.320 the big question has always been where they're gonna do 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.880 without does well. If you become more versatile and you're 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.320 not as predictable, people can't just come out and say, Okay, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.320 every once in a while, they're gonna put Dez in 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.120 the slot. But we know where he's gonna be on 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.280 the outside. So now when Hearns is in there, where's 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.000 he gonna be. When Terrence Williams comes in, where's he 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.440 gonna be? Tavon Austin, is he gonna line up in 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.320 the backfield with Zeke or is he gonna be outside? 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.360 And there was a lot of Deontay Thompson out there. Also, 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.640 by the way, let's not write him off because his 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.200 speed out there, his speed is gonna make a difference 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.040 out there. They had a really nice that period. I 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.120 was talking about that ten twelve play period. He had 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.160 a really nice route and in cut route where he 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.400 ran it against Byron Jones, and Byron Jones was like 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.440 wanting really going and you see you see Thompson kind 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.280 of leans on him on the route, leans down, making 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.920 it think he was going to go to the outside, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.000 and then all of a sudden breaks across and like Mickey, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.240 seeing there's that separation, there's that speed. You know, Dak 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.560 Prescott from behind him. He sees it the whole way 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.680 and he's boom. He hits the shot right there, no 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.440 safety in the middle in a way they go so yeah, good, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.320 good to see them kind of hit on early in 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.560 the practice. You know, it's going to be interesting as 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.960 this season goes along because of whatever tweaks that Scott 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.080 lena Hand makes with this offense and the adjustments that 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.400 the league makes. I had an opportunity to talk with 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.800 Tony Romo a month or so ago, and he was 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.480 talking about that that he thought, looking ahead at the 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.040 Cowboys season, the key is going to be from weeks 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.760 four through week nine and basically in that area right there, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.760 and how the league adjust to whatever the Cowboys are 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.440 doing offensively because they don't have Jason Witten anymore, they 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.960 don't have Dez Brian anymore, and then how the Cowboys 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.000 adjust back to that. Yeah, I think that to any 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.280 time that when you when you start talking about rules 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.400 and how things are called in different things. I just 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.400 feel like though that you gotta some teams are really 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.360 good at pushing the envelope and when it comes to 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.160 how do you run routes? You know, how do you 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.199 you know, how do you incorporate you know, a lot 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.280 of teams. We've seen Seattle over the years, New England 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.719 over the years, the rubs, the picks, the things like that. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.280 How do you how do you incorporate various routes, you know, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.199 creative routes to get guys open. All that stuff you're 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.480 trying to do to help Dak Prescott right now. I mean, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.440 that's what anything you can do. And that's one of 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.960 the things with saying Jay Law that's known as being 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.600 a coacher crunch of the precise route running. It was 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.720 interesting and one of the great things coming out here 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.920 to training camp is you can see you can watch 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.000 the coaches working with individual players and even in the 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.880 case of a Jason Garrett out here yesterday, Cedric Wilson 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:57.320 runs a route Jason, I've noticed Garrett immediately goes to 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.480 him and was and was coaching him on the and 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.680 you could tell it was he needs to be more precise, 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.400 right and whatever the route was that he was running. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.440 I thought I was really telling. The way Jerry talked 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.680 up his coaching staff during the State of the Union 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.200 press conference, I mean, he was very complimentary, but there 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.280 was a message within that it's that we've got a 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.319 young football team and we need our staff to bring 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.760 these guys along and teach them and get them ready. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.120 That's as important as anything they're going to do in 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.000 this camp, I think, because they not only do they 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.960 have new faces, they it's very young team for sure. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.080 And Bill, you were asking, you know what else we 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.880 got out of this, and you know, while we were 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:36.800 standing there watching the walkthrough, it's how the coaches were 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.839 lighting guys up, like in what order, and you kind 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.880 of get an idea of what the coaches are thinking about, 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.560 like who's the backup left defensive end or who's the 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.120 backup right defensive end, who's playing defensive tackle. You know, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.800 how they're how they're rotating the linebackers and who's going where. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.439 So I thought it was a good primer for us 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.400 before the pads come on tomorrow to say, okay, so 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.280 the second team defensive line. You know, you got Taco 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.080 Charlton at left defensive end, Coney Eliot right defensive end. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.400 You know who's playing in the middle. There's no David 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.120 Irving out there, right, There's no MALIEK Collins out there, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.000 So you got jahad Ward and MALIEK. Collins, I mean 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.960 Daytone Jones where Collins would be playing. So I thought 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.920 that was a good kind of just kind of figuring out, Okay, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.360 this is kind of what they're thinking. Now, let's see 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.319 if anybody can change their minds. Yeah, but if you 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.240 want to take it a step further than that, go 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.240 go three deep now and then at the right defensive 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.840 basically a defensive end. Yeah, at right defensive end. It 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.160 was Dorian's Armstrong was playing the right end and they 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.040 had Charles Tapper playing the left defensive end. So that 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.120 kind of tells you a little bit maybe you know, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.120 they think that Armstrong clearly is better suited to play 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.520 the right side. You look at the physical body type. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.680 And I had somebody on Twitter this morning and asked 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.520 me about potentially a playing Charles Tapper inside what you 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.080 saw with you know, with you with what you saw 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.160 from jahad Ward that type of player, and Bill to 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.079 test this being an Oklahoma alum, because he could tell 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.040 you if Charles Tapper played as a head up five 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.040 technique when I'm taught that head up guy, that's a 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.440 hit read read guy, a two gap player, so he 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.360 would be he would be comfortable having to extend and 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.959 having to look and find. But with if you play 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.960 him inside, say at the three, if they were looking 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.440 for somebody to move inside his body type going down 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.760 and watching the drills yesterday, a thicker body and very 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.559 similar to what jahad Ward looks like, you would say, well, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.240 maybe using Charles Tapper's quickness, you could maybe kick him inside. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:38.079 Because right now you could kick him, but maybe, but 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.839 maybe maybe you could use him as a three or 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.439 an under tackle. Because I'm looking at him and I'm 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.400 thinking body type. He is not a finished guy. He's 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.280 got some thickness to him, you know, and I've seen 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.400 I saw a little power with him. But I'm also 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.080 going off with what I saw at the University of 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.040 Oklahoma where he was and extend in a two gap player. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.400 You know, to play two gap, you gotta you gotta 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.440 have a little bit of power at the point of attack. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.360 And you know, they've taught him how to rush up 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.400 the field, but maybe they could do the same thing. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.440 As an Oklahoma fan, it was so frustrating, sure, because 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.559 he's an upfield player. Yeah, used him right, and that's 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:19.360 and that's yeah exactly. But but what I'm saying is 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.400 if they're looking for guys if if it's a potentially 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.240 a Coney Eally on some stuff, if it's potentially a 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:29.160 Charles Tapper on some stuff. Because right now, the twos 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.600 behind behind you know, behind jahad Ward and behind Jones 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.839 is Brian Price and Daniel Ross, you know, and Daniel 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.160 Ross didn't look terrible yesterday, and he's got a little 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.160 bit more of feel, quickness, prices, a little bit more 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.000 of a stay in the gap guy. But that's kind 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.600 of where you're at right now with your back up 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.480 defensive work in Right now, look at the numensive end. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.480 Randy Gregory to me, is going to play the right 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.600 defensive end. That's where Randy basically he looked good. But 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.120 look at but look at that. You just mentioned the 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.160 competition there at right defensive end, even the backups. Right 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.880 you got a fourth round draft pick who they like, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.439 Cony Ealy, who's had three sacks in the Super Bowl, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.720 and there's if these guys are healthy and are coming along, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.080 that's competition for Gregory. But I will say the three 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.760 of us, I think together we're watching the walkthrough yesterday, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.079 just watching him work with Mike Woissick h do the 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.520 ring who basically, you can see the bend, you can 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.200 see the explosion. The guy is he's six five, I 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.480 think he's two forty two right now, and he moves 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.440 like a wide receiver and I know, I know he's 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.200 in sweats, and I know it's he's not practicing right now, 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:33.800 but you can see how special he. You know. I ran, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.320 I ran into him in the parking lot later, and uh, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.560 just kind of small talk with him, and I said, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.800 I said, it looks like you never left doing that 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.200 hoop drill and he and he just kind of smiled 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.480 and I said, what did you do? Take win with you? 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.920 I had to improvise. Yeah, so evidently he's been doing 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:59.600 some stuff to try, but he didn't look like I mean, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.680 it wasn't like you know sometimes you watch these guys 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.000 and they're constantly bending over and their shorts, the gatorade 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.760 bottle taking time. I mean, it was drill, drill, drill, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.080 and then you know, and he was it looked good. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.800 I mean, yeah, I thought, like, wow, that's okay, that's why, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.120 that's why they've that's why eighteen months. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.080 would be surprised for the next day or two that 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.120 Randy Gregory talks to the media, and yeah, hopefully so 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.120 for the first time. I understanding is that it'll happen 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.840 after he has his first full practice. Okay, just like 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.720 when he's when he's doing all this stuff, it's almost like, well, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.080 I don't know if he's you know, he's kind of 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.240 part of the team, but he's not part of the team. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.480 You know how guys act when they're injured while I'm 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.040 not talking, I'm injured or whatever. So I think that's 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.880 what it's going to happen. Before we take our first break, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.880 let's go to the phone line. How about from Jacob 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.640 and Odessa. You are on Talking Cowboys, the leadoff hitter Jacob. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:05.040 All right, guys, Hello, Hello, can you hear me? Yes? Yeah, alright. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.320 So first off, big fan, been trying to get on 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.480 the phone to you guys for four years. You are awesome. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.840 Thank you for the coverage. Well, good that you got through. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:18.520 Thanks for listening. Secondly, I know we maintain the best 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.920 five mentality on the offensive line, and I was kind 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.960 of wondering if they might apply that to the linebacker corps, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.520 maybe putting Jaylen at, Sam Vanderesh at, Mike and Sean 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.800 Lee at the week side. I know we don't really 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.040 like the best five mentality, but I thought that maybe 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.480 in the linebacking corp it might apply better. Oh don't don't. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.320 Don't think they're not looking at that. But that'll be 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.360 decided by vander Esh and Jalen Smith just how well 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.760 they play, how quickly vander Esh makes the transition from 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.680 college to the NFL. Because if he can handle the middle, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.480 I think that's one of the things that they're thinking about. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.200 We've talked about using Jalen if Vanderesh can play in 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.520 the middle as a pass rusher, and I think Jason 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.000 talked about it, maybe not as a down guy, but 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.040 when when he's standing up and maybe play that strong 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.119 side a little differently. Or we talked yesterday about in 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.679 their three down lineman rotation that he stands up as 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.560 a linebacker and he goes, you know, not asking him 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.400 to cover. So yeah, I think that's a very very 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.120 real possibility, but it's got to play out. The other 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.600 thing is, and we spoke to Rod Minnelli again about 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.480 this yesterday. Okay, the Sam doesn't get a ton of 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.240 snaps in this defense, right, So Rod keeps talking about 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.440 how it's three guys for two spots and a rotation 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.639 there right with those other two linebacker spots. Because he 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.359 keeps emphasizing guys were playing specifically, Jalen Smith was playing 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.640 too many snaps last year, right, but he played too 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.600 many for his physical condition. They didn't want him having 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.320 tight to carry that low sixty snaps a game. Yeah, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.119 and this this kind of solves that in addition to 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.960 depth because look at what happened last year with some 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.720 of the injuries the well, and that's the thing about 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.359 the linebacker position around the least, it's such a demanding 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.440 position physically. I mean, we talk about how many injuries 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.880 Sean Lee's had in his career. You can find linebackers 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.280 on teams across the league where they've got the same 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.960 injury issues because of that position. It's a it's a 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:20.320 collision position. Yeah, lou Keiley for example, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.800 so you gotta have it can be a rotation, but 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.080 there's one guy ain't coming off the field if he's healthy, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.720 oh sure, yeah, but the other two can rotate. Yeah. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.160 And you know, at some point in time they might 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.639 want to look at given Sean a little bit of 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.679 a break in games. I know you don't want to 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.480 maybe do that because of his talent, but maybe it 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.080 keeps him fresher and healthier for sixteen games. I'm not 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.200 I'm not talking cut his snaps in half, but maybe 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.960 occasionally when it's thirty to ten, got to step up 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.680 there when they're up thirty to ten in the fourth quarter. Yeah, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.960 you know. Yes, it was the first time that we 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.080 saw vander Esh and Sean Lee on the field at 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.080 the same time in the period. And that was because 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.359 a little bit because they had Sean and bubble wrapped 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.479 during the OTA's and then Vanderesh got nicked up with 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.639 the little bit of a hamstring. So yesterday was the 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.399 first time that both those guys have played in the 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.000 Nickel package together. And that that did what you're talking about, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.320 Rob that took that took Jalen Smith off the field 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.400 in that situation, and I think that's maybe how they're 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.080 thinking of sharing that when they go to Nickel get 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.240 Jaalen off. Vander Esh is pretty good in coverage and 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.480 not just man to man coverage. But I think Brian 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.520 and I were watching one of the uh I can't 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.720 remember for his OTA or mini camp, but he drops 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.600 right and then they throw the ball underneath, and he's 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.240 got this natural instinct, that natural instinct because he played 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.600 eight man football, you see, had to be versatile, right, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.359 that's right, all right? Nine seven two four nine seven 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.080 forty four hundred the number to call. We're gonna take 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.800 a break and be back in just a moment. On 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.239 talking Cowboys. It can be hard to find the right 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.880 resource for learning about important financial matters. 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