1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's talking Cowboys 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Star in Friscoola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broms, Rob Phillips, 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And it is day number two of 6 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: practices here at Oxnard, California, home of the Dallas Cowboys 7 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: training camp twenty eighteen. We got one practice down, we 8 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: got one more to go, and then they put the 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: pads on tomorrow on the field behind us here I 10 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: am Bill Jones with Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: Spagnola and you. Yes, we have phone lines available here 12 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: from training camp and you can make a call and 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: be a part of the show. Nine seven two four 14 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: nine seven forty four hundred, the number one the screen 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: there nine seven two four ninety four hundred. I look 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: forward to taking some phone calls always. Yeah, I'd be 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: interesting though that kind of get some of the ideas, 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, you talked about the practices and stuff and 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: you really had to try and try and pull some 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: things out of it, but there were some good things 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: out there. Just always interested in the fans. I found 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of the things that we do now, 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: the fans are so hungry for information and who's this 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and who's doing that stuff. So I'm sure we'll have 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: some some calls asking those types of questions, Hey, what'd 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: you see third tid, who's playing the who's starting tied in? Who? 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: What's the receiver rotation and all that. So, but that's 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: always a good part about the show's the interaction with 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: the four well and the other thing when you look 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: back at yesterday, from what they did in the afternoon 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: compared to the walkthrough, I got more out of the 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: walkthrough than I did the afternoon practice. Yeah. Absolutely, they 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: did have a period before they actually went they headed 34 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: together the group thing where they went like ten twelve 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: plays where you could kind of it was it was 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: the guys were not it was not you know, uh 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: like I'm not saying it wasn't full speed, but it 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: was it was you could get a little bit about 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: they were running some twist stunts, guys are picking some 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: things up. You got some combinations of some routes that 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: you can saw. You saw the quarterbacks throwing the football. 42 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: That's kind of where from that point those ten eleven 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: twelve plays. I got something out of that just from 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: the little the compete side of it. But the rest 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: of the practice was, Okay, where's Layton Vanderish lining up? Okay, 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: where's Jalen Smith lining up? Okay? Where who's playing the 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: third defensive in for me? Right now? That that's where 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: I got in the second half of the practice the 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: extension of mini camp and OTAs, and it was worse 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: than mini camp and ote It's just the same because 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: they're easing them back in, all of them. I mean, 52 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: they couldn't line up against each other. They had to 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: use the guys on offense that weren't in the well 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: did you see the parting eleven? No, I know what 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, but after that, a lot of 56 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: individual for an hour and forty five minutes of the 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: coaches with little beanies on lining up as linebackers and 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: dbs twenty four hours. Mick, all right, we'll get the 59 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: pads on very quickly. And he's league mandated. Yes, I 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: think you can't go up the players Association. Basically great 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: stuff by the Players Association. No player safety, Mickey, we 62 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: gotta think about that. Yeah, Well, but they don't think 63 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: about their contracts and stuff. They just they caught. They 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: they forfeited money to be out here and play pansy football. Mickey, 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: I hate, I hate to say this, guys, but in 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: two years time we might not be having talking Cowboys. 67 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Just be nice to the callers, Okay, exactly, exactly nicer 68 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: than Mickey is to the leafblower or the security guy. 69 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: Everybody hates. Mickey was on one yesterday, Boy's minute. We 70 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: need to bring that, Yeah, but some of that I 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: can't put on Mickey Smith. Yeah, like that that we 72 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: won't go into that one, all right, So we look 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: at what we got out of yesterday. The one thing 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: that that it was in the walkthrough that I noticed 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: immediately and I believe Brian brought us maybe writing about 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: it later today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Cole Beasley 77 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: and Tavon Austin on the field at the same time, 78 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: which is means one of those smaller guys is playing outside. Right. 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because I kind of thought 80 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe Scott, you know, in this day and age, everybody 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: says you're trolling somebody, you know, like on Twitter, you're troll, 82 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: You're trolling, They're trolling. You. I think Scott Lenahan might 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: have been trolling us a little bit yesterday because he 84 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: did he put he put Cole Beasley and Tavon Austin 85 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: on the field. Really is the X and the and 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the Z. And then they used Alan Hearns with some 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: inside slot stuff. So you're thinking, you don't traditionally feel 88 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: like that two five eighth receivers are going to be 89 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: outside you know, receiver, but that that's something that a 90 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: little bit in OTA's we saw Cole Beasley playing some 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: more on the outside, and now it's going to be okay, 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: how do you get him routes down. It's not gonna 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: be about throwing him vertical passes and stuff. It's gonna 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: be about throwing him the outs, you know, not so 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: much the slants, but outs, curls, things like that. They 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: hit Tavon Austin that little period. Drill I was talking 97 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: about playing as a tight, tight and tight formation and 98 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: he went up, they cleared the tight end and they 99 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: curled around. So just trying to get a little guy 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: open quickly though, that's what they're doing on the outside. 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Well you get him if he's on the outside, and 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: we saw it in OTAs in minicamp quite a bit, 103 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: even even when they went two wide receivers, and you know, 104 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult to double team him off 105 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage the way sometimes it was happening 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: in the slot with bracket coverage the other thing. And 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, take this for what it's worth. 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: When I was talking to Gil Brandt about Alan Hearns 109 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: and he said, well, I think Alan Hearns is as 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: a slot receiver, and so maybe they're looking at and 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: maybe they can create some mismatches that side with his size, 112 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: and maybe he gets a little bit more single coverage 113 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: there and he gets off the line of scrimmage. We 114 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: did see Tavon and Cole on the field together in 115 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: OTAs or mini camp a little bit. I don't know 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: if we both saw him on the outside. Yeah, that's 117 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: that's what that's different. Yeah, Jason Garrett spoke to what 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: you just said, make a little bit yesterday. I think 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: in terms of he likes the versatility of all these receivers. 120 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: They can all play different spots. I think Hearns can 121 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: play any spot on the right. It remains to be 122 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: seen about Cole on the outside. They've never really done 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: it consistently, but again it maybe it creates a situation 124 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: where he's not in such a log jam and you 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: can bracket him. Yeah, that's what mickey. Yeah, it's good 126 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: point by Mickey right there. Anything to do to free 127 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 1: him up, you know, because he's one of those guys 128 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: you throw the ball to time, he's gonna catch that football. 129 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: So anything you could do to free him up one 130 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: on one situations and teams and teams noticed that last 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: I said that he came das guy in twenty sixteen. 132 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: It was like it was second and four and who 133 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: was he throwing the ball to on the on the 134 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: boots waggles Maybe you know it was Witna, but Cole 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Beasley on the outs, little coral routes, all those things 136 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: that Colbs is really sneaky on running those type of routes. 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: But I'm not saying this is gonna be you know, 138 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: let's run nine routes, vertical routes with Colbes and let 139 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: him go fight for the ball in the air. That's 140 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: just not his game. But things underneath, stuff to the 141 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: outside all good and well, and this will you know, 142 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: the big question has always been where they're gonna do 143 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: without does well. If you become more versatile and you're 144 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: not as predictable, people can't just come out and say, Okay, 145 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: every once in a while, they're gonna put Dez in 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: the slot. But we know where he's gonna be on 147 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: the outside. So now when Hearns is in there, where's 148 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: he gonna be. When Terrence Williams comes in, where's he 149 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: gonna be? Tavon Austin, is he gonna line up in 150 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the backfield with Zeke or is he gonna be outside? 151 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: And there was a lot of Deontay Thompson out there. Also, 152 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: by the way, let's not write him off because his 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: speed out there, his speed is gonna make a difference 154 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: out there. They had a really nice that period. I 155 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: was talking about that ten twelve play period. He had 156 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: a really nice route and in cut route where he 157 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: ran it against Byron Jones, and Byron Jones was like 158 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: wanting really going and you see you see Thompson kind 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: of leans on him on the route, leans down, making 160 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: it think he was going to go to the outside, 161 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden breaks across and like Mickey, 162 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: seeing there's that separation, there's that speed. You know, Dak 163 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Prescott from behind him. He sees it the whole way 164 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: and he's boom. He hits the shot right there, no 165 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: safety in the middle in a way they go so yeah, good, 166 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: good to see them kind of hit on early in 167 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: the practice. You know, it's going to be interesting as 168 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: this season goes along because of whatever tweaks that Scott 169 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: lena Hand makes with this offense and the adjustments that 170 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the league makes. I had an opportunity to talk with 171 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Tony Romo a month or so ago, and he was 172 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: talking about that that he thought, looking ahead at the 173 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys season, the key is going to be from weeks 174 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: four through week nine and basically in that area right there, 175 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: and how the league adjust to whatever the Cowboys are 176 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: doing offensively because they don't have Jason Witten anymore, they 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: don't have Dez Brian anymore, and then how the Cowboys 178 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: adjust back to that. Yeah, I think that to any 179 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: time that when you when you start talking about rules 180 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and how things are called in different things. I just 181 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: feel like though that you gotta some teams are really 182 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: good at pushing the envelope and when it comes to 183 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: how do you run routes? You know, how do you 184 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, how do you incorporate you know, a lot 185 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: of teams. We've seen Seattle over the years, New England 186 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: over the years, the rubs, the picks, the things like that. 187 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: How do you how do you incorporate various routes, you know, 188 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: creative routes to get guys open. All that stuff you're 189 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: trying to do to help Dak Prescott right now. I mean, 190 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: that's what anything you can do. And that's one of 191 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: the things with saying Jay Law that's known as being 192 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: a coacher crunch of the precise route running. It was 193 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: interesting and one of the great things coming out here 194 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: to training camp is you can see you can watch 195 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the coaches working with individual players and even in the 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: case of a Jason Garrett out here yesterday, Cedric Wilson 197 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: runs a route Jason, I've noticed Garrett immediately goes to 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: him and was and was coaching him on the and 199 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: you could tell it was he needs to be more precise, 200 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: right and whatever the route was that he was running. 201 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: I thought I was really telling. The way Jerry talked 202 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: up his coaching staff during the State of the Union 203 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: press conference, I mean, he was very complimentary, but there 204 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: was a message within that it's that we've got a 205 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: young football team and we need our staff to bring 206 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: these guys along and teach them and get them ready. 207 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: That's as important as anything they're going to do in 208 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: this camp, I think, because they not only do they 209 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: have new faces, they it's very young team for sure. 210 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: And Bill, you were asking, you know what else we 211 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: got out of this, and you know, while we were 212 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: standing there watching the walkthrough, it's how the coaches were 213 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: lighting guys up, like in what order, and you kind 214 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of get an idea of what the coaches are thinking about, 215 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: like who's the backup left defensive end or who's the 216 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: backup right defensive end, who's playing defensive tackle. You know, 217 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: how they're how they're rotating the linebackers and who's going where. 218 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good primer for us 219 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: before the pads come on tomorrow to say, okay, so 220 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: the second team defensive line. You know, you got Taco 221 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: Charlton at left defensive end, Coney Eliot right defensive end. 222 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: You know who's playing in the middle. There's no David 223 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Irving out there, right, There's no MALIEK Collins out there, 224 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: So you got jahad Ward and MALIEK. Collins, I mean 225 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: Daytone Jones where Collins would be playing. So I thought 226 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: that was a good kind of just kind of figuring out, Okay, 227 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: this is kind of what they're thinking. Now, let's see 228 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: if anybody can change their minds. Yeah, but if you 229 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: want to take it a step further than that, go 230 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: go three deep now and then at the right defensive 231 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: basically a defensive end. Yeah, at right defensive end. It 232 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: was Dorian's Armstrong was playing the right end and they 233 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: had Charles Tapper playing the left defensive end. So that 234 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: kind of tells you a little bit maybe you know, 235 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: they think that Armstrong clearly is better suited to play 236 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: the right side. You look at the physical body type. 237 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: And I had somebody on Twitter this morning and asked 238 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: me about potentially a playing Charles Tapper inside what you 239 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: saw with you know, with you with what you saw 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: from jahad Ward that type of player, and Bill to 241 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: test this being an Oklahoma alum, because he could tell 242 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: you if Charles Tapper played as a head up five 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: technique when I'm taught that head up guy, that's a 244 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: hit read read guy, a two gap player, so he 245 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: would be he would be comfortable having to extend and 246 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: having to look and find. But with if you play 247 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: him inside, say at the three, if they were looking 248 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: for somebody to move inside his body type going down 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: and watching the drills yesterday, a thicker body and very 250 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: similar to what jahad Ward looks like, you would say, well, 251 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: maybe using Charles Tapper's quickness, you could maybe kick him inside. 252 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: Because right now you could kick him, but maybe, but 253 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you could use him as a three or 254 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: an under tackle. Because I'm looking at him and I'm 255 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: thinking body type. He is not a finished guy. He's 256 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: got some thickness to him, you know, and I've seen 257 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: I saw a little power with him. But I'm also 258 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: going off with what I saw at the University of 259 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma where he was and extend in a two gap player. 260 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: You know, to play two gap, you gotta you gotta 261 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: have a little bit of power at the point of attack. 262 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: And you know, they've taught him how to rush up 263 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the field, but maybe they could do the same thing. 264 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: As an Oklahoma fan, it was so frustrating, sure, because 265 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: he's an upfield player. Yeah, used him right, and that's 266 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and that's yeah exactly. But but what I'm saying is 267 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: if they're looking for guys if if it's a potentially 268 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: a Coney Eally on some stuff, if it's potentially a 269 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Charles Tapper on some stuff. Because right now, the twos 270 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: behind behind you know, behind jahad Ward and behind Jones 271 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: is Brian Price and Daniel Ross, you know, and Daniel 272 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: Ross didn't look terrible yesterday, and he's got a little 273 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: bit more of feel, quickness, prices, a little bit more 274 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: of a stay in the gap guy. But that's kind 275 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: of where you're at right now with your back up 276 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: defensive work in Right now, look at the numensive end. 277 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory to me, is going to play the right 278 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: defensive end. That's where Randy basically he looked good. But 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: look at but look at that. You just mentioned the 280 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: competition there at right defensive end, even the backups. Right 281 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: you got a fourth round draft pick who they like, 282 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: Cony Ealy, who's had three sacks in the Super Bowl, 283 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: and there's if these guys are healthy and are coming along, 284 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: that's competition for Gregory. But I will say the three 285 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: of us, I think together we're watching the walkthrough yesterday, 286 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: just watching him work with Mike Woissick h do the 287 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: ring who basically, you can see the bend, you can 288 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: see the explosion. The guy is he's six five, I 289 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: think he's two forty two right now, and he moves 290 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: like a wide receiver and I know, I know he's 291 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: in sweats, and I know it's he's not practicing right now, 292 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: but you can see how special he. You know. I ran, 293 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: I ran into him in the parking lot later, and uh, 294 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: just kind of small talk with him, and I said, 295 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I said, it looks like you never left doing that 296 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: hoop drill and he and he just kind of smiled 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: and I said, what did you do? Take win with you? 298 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: I had to improvise. Yeah, so evidently he's been doing 299 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: some stuff to try, but he didn't look like I mean, 300 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't like you know sometimes you watch these guys 301 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: and they're constantly bending over and their shorts, the gatorade 302 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: bottle taking time. I mean, it was drill, drill, drill, 303 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: and then you know, and he was it looked good. 304 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I thought, like, wow, that's okay, that's why, 305 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: that's why they've that's why eighteen months. Yeah. Yeah, I 306 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: would be surprised for the next day or two that 307 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory talks to the media, and yeah, hopefully so 308 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: for the first time. I understanding is that it'll happen 309 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: after he has his first full practice. Okay, just like 310 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: when he's when he's doing all this stuff, it's almost like, well, 311 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's you know, he's kind of 312 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: part of the team, but he's not part of the team. 313 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: You know how guys act when they're injured while I'm 314 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: not talking, I'm injured or whatever. So I think that's 315 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: what it's going to happen. Before we take our first break, 316 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: let's go to the phone line. How about from Jacob 317 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: and Odessa. You are on Talking Cowboys, the leadoff hitter Jacob. 318 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: All right, guys, Hello, Hello, can you hear me? Yes? Yeah, alright. 319 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: So first off, big fan, been trying to get on 320 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: the phone to you guys for four years. You are awesome. 321 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for the coverage. Well, good that you got through. 322 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Secondly, I know we maintain the best 323 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: five mentality on the offensive line, and I was kind 324 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: of wondering if they might apply that to the linebacker corps, 325 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: maybe putting Jaylen at, Sam Vanderesh at, Mike and Sean 326 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: Lee at the week side. I know we don't really 327 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: like the best five mentality, but I thought that maybe 328 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: in the linebacking corp it might apply better. Oh don't don't. 329 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Don't think they're not looking at that. But that'll be 330 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: decided by vander Esh and Jalen Smith just how well 331 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: they play, how quickly vander Esh makes the transition from 332 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: college to the NFL. Because if he can handle the middle, 333 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that they're thinking about. 334 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about using Jalen if Vanderesh can play in 335 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: the middle as a pass rusher, and I think Jason 336 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: talked about it, maybe not as a down guy, but 337 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: when when he's standing up and maybe play that strong 338 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: side a little differently. Or we talked yesterday about in 339 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: their three down lineman rotation that he stands up as 340 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: a linebacker and he goes, you know, not asking him 341 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: to cover. So yeah, I think that's a very very 342 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: real possibility, but it's got to play out. The other 343 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: thing is, and we spoke to Rod Minnelli again about 344 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: this yesterday. Okay, the Sam doesn't get a ton of 345 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: snaps in this defense, right, So Rod keeps talking about 346 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: how it's three guys for two spots and a rotation 347 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: there right with those other two linebacker spots. Because he 348 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: keeps emphasizing guys were playing specifically, Jalen Smith was playing 349 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: too many snaps last year, right, but he played too 350 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: many for his physical condition. They didn't want him having 351 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: tight to carry that low sixty snaps a game. Yeah, 352 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: and this this kind of solves that in addition to 353 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: depth because look at what happened last year with some 354 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: of the injuries the well, and that's the thing about 355 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: the linebacker position around the least, it's such a demanding 356 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: position physically. I mean, we talk about how many injuries 357 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: Sean Lee's had in his career. You can find linebackers 358 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: on teams across the league where they've got the same 359 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: injury issues because of that position. It's a it's a 360 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: collision position. Yeah, lou Keiley for example, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, 361 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: so you gotta have it can be a rotation, but 362 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: there's one guy ain't coming off the field if he's healthy, 363 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: oh sure, yeah, but the other two can rotate. Yeah. 364 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: And you know, at some point in time they might 365 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: want to look at given Sean a little bit of 366 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: a break in games. I know you don't want to 367 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe do that because of his talent, but maybe it 368 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: keeps him fresher and healthier for sixteen games. I'm not 369 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm not talking cut his snaps in half, but maybe 370 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: occasionally when it's thirty to ten, got to step up 371 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: there when they're up thirty to ten in the fourth quarter. Yeah, 372 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: you know. Yes, it was the first time that we 373 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: saw vander Esh and Sean Lee on the field at 374 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: the same time in the period. And that was because 375 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: a little bit because they had Sean and bubble wrapped 376 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: during the OTA's and then Vanderesh got nicked up with 377 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: the little bit of a hamstring. So yesterday was the 378 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: first time that both those guys have played in the 379 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Nickel package together. And that that did what you're talking about, 380 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Rob that took that took Jalen Smith off the field 381 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: in that situation, and I think that's maybe how they're 382 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: thinking of sharing that when they go to Nickel get 383 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: Jaalen off. Vander Esh is pretty good in coverage and 384 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: not just man to man coverage. But I think Brian 385 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: and I were watching one of the uh I can't 386 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: remember for his OTA or mini camp, but he drops 387 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: right and then they throw the ball underneath, and he's 388 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: got this natural instinct, that natural instinct because he played 389 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: eight man football, you see, had to be versatile, right, 390 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: that's right, all right? Nine seven two four nine seven 391 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: forty four hundred the number to call. We're gonna take 392 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: a break and be back in just a moment. On 393 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. It can be hard to find the right 394 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: resource for learning about important financial matters. 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And 441 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: keep in mind that a week from Sunday, on August fifth, 442 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: you'll be able to watch practice right here on Dallas 443 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com, which the timing of that will be 444 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: six o'clock Central time, four o'clock on the West Coast. 445 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: And um we'll be all a part of the broadcast 446 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: to two hour show that will also air on t 447 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: x A twenty one in Dallas four And I give 448 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: another training camp tip if you're coming out here, if 449 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: you if you come to the fields, find the film towers. Now, 450 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: if you now these two this day to day won't matter, 451 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: because both offense and defense are on both fields. But generally, 452 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: if you come to practice and find where the film 453 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: towers are set up pre practice, that will tell you 454 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: where the majority of the practice will take care of. 455 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: So if you get to a point on the field 456 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: where you're like I can't see, well, just kind of 457 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: look where the film towers or situated. They move them around. 458 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: And if you kind of say, oh, film towers are 459 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: all set up here in the end zone, that's going 460 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: to be the primary field that they're going to work 461 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: on for the day as to group together. So just 462 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: a little tidbit if you're hanging along the fence line 463 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: and want to get close to the action and do that. 464 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: And by the way, the towers already in place so 465 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: they won't distract us moving down the field. Zach mood 466 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: for us. Brian's right, because I had a family that 467 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: showed up real early for the afternoon practice and they 468 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: were like, are we going to be able to see here, 469 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: and I told them the same thing, Yeah, the towers here, 470 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: so find the film tower. Unfortunately, though in the regular 471 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: practice they used both fields equally. I walked through in 472 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: the morning. They used one when they can light line 473 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: up and I can't come the walk through. But if 474 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: you and when they get the full pads that the 475 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: towers will be at the primary section of the field. 476 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Don't run and leave when you hear a whistle blow 477 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: until you see the towers start to come down. They 478 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: come down. Absolutely, everybody's got to get it in in uh, 479 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: in line for the autographs. Yeah, and say hello, say 480 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: hello to us. If you're on the on the fence line, 481 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: everybody will say hello to Yeah. No, don't be afraid 482 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: to do that, all right, before we go back to 483 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: the phone lines. Another takeaway, Rob, you got something from yesterday? 484 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: Was your big takeaway? I just not a huge one. 485 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: I just enjoy watching Chris Rashard work. He's he's no, 486 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: he never stops moving, he never stops talking. Um, his 487 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: energy is pretty infectious. I think with these dbs, I 488 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time just watching them. A lot 489 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: of the focus was on RiPP drills, trying to get 490 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: these guys to be aggressive, force some turnovers. Um, and 491 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: I still I still kind of chuckle it looking at 492 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: how the makeup of this dB secondary has become. And 493 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: it's it's all these guys that are six feet taller 494 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: over all, right, they they've already kind of molded that 495 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: secondary in his vision. We all got out of the 496 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: car at the same time, say all the same look. Seriously, 497 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: he's he's got his imprint on this thing already. And 498 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how these guys. I'm wondering 499 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: if this is gonna be more of an aggressive group 500 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: than we've seen in the past. You know what's what's 501 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: interesting about that. I can't remember who the player was, 502 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: but there's a player the Cowboys either acquired in free agency, 503 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: a defensive back or I may have been a draft 504 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: pick when Rod Marinelli first came here and coach Marinelli 505 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: told him to study Seattle, and Um, it's it's interesting 506 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: now that Marinelli and Chris Richard, who was a former 507 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: defensive coordinate at Seattle, have been married together, and so 508 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: they are very similar in their approach or what Marinelli 509 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: wants to do with this defense. Yeah, there's gonna be 510 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: christ Shard's fingerprints are gonna be all over this defense, 511 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: and I agree with Rob. I think you are going 512 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: to see a more aggressive defense. One of my takeaways, 513 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: if you ask me, we were talking about a blitzing 514 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. They brought linebackers three different times and blitzing 515 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: in that tend to play ten to twelve play period, 516 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, trying to make something happen. It wasn't a 517 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: Jaalen Smith blitz, but you know, but you did see guys, uh, 518 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, you did see linebackers coming. Uh. Justin March, 519 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: Lillard was blitzing one time, Covington came one time, and 520 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: then Damian Wilson came another time. So obviously they're going 521 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: to try and create some pressure that way, not only 522 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: with their with their front, but also with the blitz 523 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: packages that they're gonna do. You know what else was 524 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: glaring though without Cavan Frasier practicing um, non football injury 525 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: as they kind of do some test on his blood 526 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: clouding disorder when they went to the after the starters 527 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: came out at safety. Oh my, yeah, we've kind of 528 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: talked about there was no one else that has played 529 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: really any football lining up behind the right now. That's 530 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: gonna be the evalue. Whale showers move right up the 531 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: depth charge. Yes he was second team, Well I believe 532 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: it was with Mark Huff. Yes, yeah, you know that's 533 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: the thing with Huff. And Huff doesn't really look like 534 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: a true free safety to me, or a safety. He 535 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: looks like a shorter maybe a nickel corner. You know. 536 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: He's got some toughness to him though. But I think 537 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: this is a position that will McClay, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, 538 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett will evaluate the first couple of weeks of 539 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: this training camp and hey, it might not be that 540 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: guy in the Pacific Northwest, but they might have to 541 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: look at something, especially if Frasier is unable to play, 542 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: experience the move. If Frasier comes out in two three days, 543 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: and let's hope it doesn't happen that way. Mickey's right, 544 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: He's give you the idea what's happening with the blood clotting. 545 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: But if it doesn't, if if if he's not able 546 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: to play, they're going to make a move again, not 547 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: maybe the guy in the Pacific Northwest, but there are 548 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: other safeties out there. Yeah, and at least Huff has 549 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: some experience. I think he's been in the league three 550 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: years play, but at least he kind of knows how 551 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: to get onto the field. You know where the fifty 552 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: yard line is? Right? All right, back to the phone lines, 553 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: and let's check in with John and Oregon. John, you 554 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: are on talking Cowboys? Hello, Hodi, how are you all 555 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: doing today? Very well? Speaking of the Pacific Northwest? Brian 556 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: doesn't like that. Yeah, there you go, thank you, So 557 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: go ahead a question, John, Yeah, I do have a question. Sorry, 558 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I just realized my error, the one thing I promised 559 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: myself i'd never do when Brian live. Yeah, and you're 560 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: better than you know that. Yeah, it's preseason for John 561 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: m Yeah. So guys, listen to my statement before you 562 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: drawing massive conclusions. But my number one thing is I'm 563 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: a little concerned with Vanderish being labeled to bust. And 564 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: I know this is very early, but here's my thought 565 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: on it. Number one, I really think that the linebackers 566 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: says we're drafted and second around, um Lee and Smith 567 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: both are gonna show a little bit more on field 568 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: potential than vander Esh who has been drafted a lot higher. 569 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: And um I really don't think it's purely in his hands. 570 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: As far as his performance, I think he could play great. 571 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I really think it's going to be our second and 572 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: third round picks that are going to decide whether or not, 573 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: not necessarily internally to the Cowboys organization, whether or not 574 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: he's a bust. What John, can I stop you? Where? Where? Where? 575 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Where did the bust label come out before the pads 576 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: ever came on? Where did you see that? Yeah, and 577 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that me personally. No, Well, 578 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: where did you where did you come up with the idea? Though? 579 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: Like who labeled him a bust? Nobody's labeled him a 580 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: bust yet I could hear the situation will happen. And 581 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: the reason I fear the situation that has happened is because, 582 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Number One, when you look at vander esh coming out 583 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: of college, he only had one year there. The linebackers 584 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: that started in front of him definitely had there. You 585 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: don't see those linebackers in the NFL, and the linebackers 586 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: are currently on the roster have a longer history of 587 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: performance in their college careers. And I know that before 588 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: the draft there was a lot of pressure for people 589 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: to get us or get the Cowboys of safety, wide receiver, 590 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: tons of other positions over a potential vander Esh. I 591 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: like Vanderesh, I look forward to him doing very well. 592 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: My question boils down to what do you guys think 593 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: his season would have to look like so that nobody 594 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: comes up with that conclusion, because on one hand, I 595 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: feel that he could have a wonderful season and still 596 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: get labeled in that area if the passing game fails 597 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: or if the offensive line looks like it did last year. John, 598 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And you know, the one thing to 599 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: keep in mind about any linebacker coming in as a rookie, 600 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: Sean Lee didn't start his first year in the league. 601 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know Keith Brooking was on the team 602 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't remember looking back and Keith Brooking, who 603 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: played over ten years in the league, by James, you know, 604 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: he didn't start his rookie year with the Atlanta Falcons 605 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: either his stone back nineteen ninety eight or whatever. It's 606 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: a very difficult position to learn so from make the 607 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: transition from a mental standpoint much less of physical. We 608 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: saw it with Jalen Smith last year. He got basically 609 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: thrown into the fire a lot because of an injury 610 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: where they had to play him more, and so his 611 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: head was swimming out there. And so you're not gonna 612 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: no one should make a final judgment on Layton vanderash 613 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: until he's got several years in the league. I saw 614 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: Mickey's head pop up like a cocker spaniel right there. 615 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna get fired up. He asked 616 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: the question before I did. To be honest with you, 617 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: I you know, I find myself during watching the draft, 618 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: doing the Draft show. Though there were things I was 619 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: critical about Layton Vanderish, I think the most critical thing 620 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: I was was to take on and you could see 621 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: that on tape. If John would have asked the question, Brian, 622 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: are you concerned about Layton Vanderish playing in the league 623 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: taking on guys? I would say, yeah, I am. But 624 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: I think that if you look at him, the physical 625 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: traits he has, the makeup the NFL coaching that he's 626 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna get. You know, Jayleen Smith, we did that. We 627 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: did the tail of the tape with Jayleen Smith. Jaylen 628 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Smith talks about playing with one hand and running to 629 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: the football. You know, those are the kinds of things 630 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: that they teach you how to do. You know, I 631 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: don't think. To me, I don't understand the bust thing. 632 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're worried, you're panicky. You know, if 633 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, he doesn't play, if he's if 634 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: he's not a good player, and then that would be 635 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: a miss pick. I mean, I don't worry about that. 636 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: But I think there's just too many traits. And again, 637 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy that had some concerns about 638 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: him initially. And if John's question would have went that route, 639 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: I would have tried to comfort him by saying, this 640 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: guy is a big physical guy, Okay, if he if 641 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: they could work with him with his hands, and because 642 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: the lateral movement there, the strengths there, he just needs 643 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: to a little bit more refinement in that area. I 644 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: would that would be the route I would have taken 645 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: right there. I'm not worried about this bust tag that 646 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: John's trying to they deep down in his heart, he's like, oh, 647 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm so worried about a first round. I'm I'm worried 648 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: about a first round bust. You know, I don't that 649 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: That doesn't make I mean, the comparison you keep hearing 650 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: Jason mentioned it in his Trustcarmers yesterday, not directly Brian 651 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: Herlocker right, like, not saying he's gonna be a Hall 652 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: of Famer, but it got a big linebacker who can 653 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: cover space right and run. It's pretty rare and that's 654 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: something that Marion Ellie needs in his scheme. And that's 655 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: why they think he just he checks the boxes for 656 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: what you want to know linebacker. The guy that I 657 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: would compare more so is Rolando McClain. Yeah, and the 658 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: type of career he had when he was you know, yeah, 659 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's a physical big linebacker. If you want somebody, 660 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: it's perfect for Marinelli's scheme. If you had the eighth 661 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: rowerall pick you draft Roquan Smith, because Roquan Smith is 662 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: Derek Brooks. That that type of player in the Tampa scheme. 663 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: But to compare it with Marinelli had success with a 664 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: taller mic linebacker. That's your good example, right. It's not 665 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: because they're both white. It is because, hey, physically, that's 666 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: how he looks on tape and in this scheme and 667 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: let him let him play. Thank you practice time. You 668 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: know the other thing, we're not against you, I mean, 669 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: we're just I just I wonder if his pads fit Hey. 670 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: The other The other thing too is he missed a 671 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: little time laid in offseason workouts because of the ankle, 672 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: and and you know they're working him at at mainly 673 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: Mike a little bit of will they're gonna bring him all. 674 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: That's a huge thing for him him is staying healthy. Yeah, 675 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: and that is would be a knock against player out 676 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: there right now. But he had a history of boise 677 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: state of not being able to stay on the field too, 678 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a concern as well about the 679 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: second round pick, Conor Williams. Uh. Yeah, you have an 680 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to take a look at him yesterday. Yeah, again 681 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: in the ten to twelve player he was in there 682 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: with the first unit. Yes, he is, and I think 683 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: he's going to be in the first unit until we 684 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: see otherwise. And what's interesting is they were not playing 685 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: a fleming That's what I stood out to me, but 686 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: not playing flaming a left tackle. They were playing Chaz 687 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: greena left tackle. They're playing flaming at right tackle. So 688 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: Mickey did bring that up. But if you look at 689 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: the offensive line, Yeah, there was a time yesterday where 690 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: they tried to run Jo hot War. They tried to 691 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: run a twist stunt where they went. They went down 692 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: inside with Jones, and they went down inside with Crawford, 693 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna try and bring hot ward all 694 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: the way around. And so what happened is you get 695 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: you get a pass from Martin, you get a pass 696 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: from Frederick, and they pass it all the way to 697 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: Connor Williams, and Connor Williams put himself in really good 698 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: position to pick it up, and that way they had 699 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: everybody accounted for inside. So good start for the young guy. 700 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: When those Pro Bowl guys send players down to you, 701 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: you make sure you're in position and be smart enough 702 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: and aware enough that if they pass him to you, 703 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: that's your man. And that way, Prescott sits in them 704 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: in the pocket, gets the ball to the outside. I 705 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: think the thing that stands out with him is he's 706 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: got good feet. Yes, even when to get it, even 707 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: when to get a little wide at times, he got 708 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: good feet and balanced like that shows that he could 709 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: play tackle. So to have those feet inside I think 710 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: really helps with the suddenness that he's gonna face, because 711 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: when you're on the outside, it's just kind of you 712 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: and that guy you're inside it's coming from all over. 713 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: And I like the way the fact that he and 714 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: I saw him out there getting ready for his conditioning 715 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: drills at the Star and he was doing these little 716 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: foot drills where they have the kind of ladder thing 717 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: on the floor I think on the field and you 718 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: got to do your steps through it. He's pretty good 719 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: at it's a little like Zach Martin. Yeah, guy primarily 720 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: was a left tackle for his team in college, and 721 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: it's the it's the arm linked thing at the NFL level, 722 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: or maybe he's more of a guard, but um, you've 723 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: talked about his strength a little bit, and that's maybe 724 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: something that comes down and that's gonna be the one thing. 725 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: If there's gonna be if we're gonna get into some 726 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: one on one and and we're making some observations on 727 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: our shows, it might be how Zach had a I 728 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: mean excume uh Connor had a little problems. He got 729 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: a little over extended. When you get over extended is 730 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: when you don't have confidence that you could sit down 731 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: on a guy because you're trying to get to him 732 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: before he can get to you, So you over extend. 733 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: If he's gonna have an issue, if he's going to 734 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: have an issue. That is what it's gonna be. It's 735 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: gonna be the little bit of a lunge to try 736 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: and compensate for being a young guy that needs to 737 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: develop some power and upper body. That might take until 738 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: the folk just read read. Paul Alexander, the new offensive 739 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: line coach, told us he took Connor and pointed at 740 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: Tyrant and he pointed in. He said, these guys don't 741 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: look anything like they did when they got here. Right, 742 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: Sometimes you need that first year. But you know he's 743 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a year for that. What do 744 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: they have? Connor Williams list three hundred pounds three or five? 745 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: Three He wanted to play at three or five, he 746 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: told us. Half he can easily be three twenty next year. Yeah, 747 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: and and and not like bad weight, just lifting because 748 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: he's got a sleek body structure. Right, Tyren Smith with 749 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: the body structure, I mean it doesn't look like Larry Allen, right, no, no, 750 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: and so wait but he'll put on But yeah, that 751 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: may be a problem as a rookie, but wait till 752 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: next year. They those kids. I give those rookies credit. 753 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: They did not let them go home once they were drafted. 754 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: They were here for the their mini camp stuff, like 755 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: they stayed the whole time. A lot of those kids 756 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: were eating breakfast with us every day. Well, Connor Williams 757 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: was already home, right, Well yeah, but a lot of 758 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: the kids were what you're saying listing him at three 759 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: ten and in the media guy, they list him at 760 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: three ten. Yeah, coming out of college, he was two 761 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: ninety eight actually right right. So he when we met 762 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: with him on the Draft show during the draft actual draft, 763 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: he said he wanted to play at three oh five. 764 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: So if he's in three ten, that's that's good. You 765 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: got a laminated roster over there. Makey to Brian um 766 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: broad listed over there. I'm sorry, that's that's quite all right. 767 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: I've got my own makeshift. I know, no, you know, 768 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: you know what Brian started, He opened to can of 769 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: worms because I went into pr and and they accused 770 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: me of causing a problem. I going toward you and 771 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: what problem did I do? Now? And they said laminated rosters? 772 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: And I said I was broadest, not me, But everybody 773 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: weren't coming in asking where are the laminated rosters? 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Talking Cowboys continues from here. 816 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: All the Tito sports at the Very Odd residence in 817 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: River Ridge in Oxnard, California, the corner of Vineyard and Ventura, 818 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: and it's the marine layer is leaving us as the 819 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: sun peeks through the clouds here. Got to roll up right. 820 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: Brian had to take off his warm up jacket and 821 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: he's rhetors some football now. The Cowboys will be on 822 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: the field for a walkthrough here in about forty five minutes, 823 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: and of course the today's practice is at four o'clock 824 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: Pacific times six o'clock Central time. Let's welcome into Talking 825 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys for the first time in two thousand and eighteen 826 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: Training Camp Nebbie in Silver Springs, Maryland. Nebbie, how you 827 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: doing hum, I'm doing well. Thanks for asking listen. I 828 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: know there's been a lot of talk this offseason about 829 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: who are number one receiver is going to be, But 830 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: I just want to say that that if our receiving 831 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: core uh plays well as a unit uh uh uh 832 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: and plays well uh uh as a team, and we 833 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: play well in all three aspects of the game. Uh 834 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: uh uh as a football team. Uh, we're gonna give 835 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: ourselves a chance uh uh uh to win games and 836 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: become Super Bowl uh champions. So my point is, uh, 837 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: what we have to do uh uh uh uh uh 838 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: uh is win games as a football team. And if 839 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: we can do that, uh, we're gonna give We're gonna 840 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: give ourselves a chance. Uh take care of Thanks for 841 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: being patient with me. Have a great weekend, uh and 842 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: a great week all right, Nebby, Thank you neb at 843 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,479 Speaker 1: Wide Receiver Corps. Everyone's talking about him. Yeah, and that's 844 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: It's about the consistency of practice. Who are the guys 845 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: Mickey brought up Thompson, you know, already off on a 846 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: on a pretty good start. You saw Michael Gallup took 847 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: a ball off the top of Duke Thomas's head last 848 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon on a play. You know, Duke never even 849 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: knew he was there. Next thing, you know, Michael is 850 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: reaching over the top and pulling the ball off the 851 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: top of the back of his or back to the 852 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: back of his helmet. So yeah, those guys, we're gonna 853 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: see it. We're gonna see a lot of one on ones. 854 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna see some very competitive cornerback play, so it'll 855 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: be some good battles back and forth. The guys who 856 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,479 Speaker 1: are the most consistent are the ones that are gonna 857 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: be here. And you've been banging this drum, and I 858 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: agree Terrence Williams, this might be an opportunity for him 859 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: or a situation where it motivates him to have a 860 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: big time season. And really, because he's more thought. His 861 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: pretty telling along those lines that he was out there 862 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: yesterday and yeah he's got more time. He actually did 863 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: more yesterday. Yeah, I anticipated Terrence is a you know Terence. 864 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: You can say what you want about Terrence, but you 865 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: never question his toughness, never questions because his desire to 866 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: want to be out there is he sometimes misguided? Absolutely 867 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,879 Speaker 1: he is. But I believe that Terrence Niman does love 868 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: playing a Terrence Naman. Terrence Williams loves playing this game. 869 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: I think he does. And I think it again. I 870 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: think he was embarrassed by happening in the offseason, and 871 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: I think when he gets to go out here and 872 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: be full tilt, you're gonna see a totally different player. 873 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: You know. I think here's what you gotta hope with 874 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: him is I think he understood his spot on the 875 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: team with Dez. It's like you're you're playing with your 876 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: big brother, and you know what your spot in the 877 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: family is. And now all of this brother gone right, 878 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: and now it's like, oh, who do I have to 879 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: play second fiddle to? Right? You know, Alan Herns just 880 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: got here right, and you know he had He had 881 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: as good a season one time as Alan Hearns, Cole Beasley, 882 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: all these other guys are young. So maybe he looks 883 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: at it as Okay, maybe I can assert myself a 884 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 1: little bit more and I'm not the subservient wide receiver 885 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: to this offense. I don't know if that's what he's thinking, 886 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: but he should be. There's times I disagree with this man. 887 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with him on that. I really don't, 888 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: because that, to me is that's where it's gonna be. 889 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: He's like, he's gonna look over Remember the one time 890 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: that Dez didn't play, he one of his best games 891 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: he ever had, that Washington game where Kellen Moore through him. 892 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: It was like over two hundred yards. You know, again, 893 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: he's capable. That saw in the Kansas City game last year. 894 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: He's capable of catching a ball on second and fifteen 895 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: and getting twenty five yards. He's capable of doing those things, 896 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: and Mix always made the comparison. He's kind of been 897 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: the Alvin Harper of this generation to Dez's Mike, you know. 898 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: And and now they need somebody else to take over 899 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: and at least make them account for you, to help 900 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: back off things for Zeke in the running game, so 901 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: they're not just pressing up on everything. So he's got 902 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity. Alan hearns as an opportunity, Thompson as an opportunity. 903 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: There's really no sing Beasley around. I mean, it's a 904 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: blanket overall, and see who emerges, you know. And I 905 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: think what happens in this situation is the unknown scares 906 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: everybody out there because they don't know, right and who 907 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: knows these guys might have something I don't know. Yeah, 908 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start. I'm not gonna start. You're a bust. Yeah, 909 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna criticize until I see it. Give us 910 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: a week four, give him a chance, to give him 911 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: a chance. But the unknown scares people. And there's always 912 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: been situations here where, And I think Brian's always been 913 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: a proponent of this is yeah, get rid of this 914 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: veteran and let this young guy go. And I'm going, 915 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: are you sure? How do you know? Well they've done it. Yeah, 916 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: and now we're gonna face the unknown and see how 917 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 1: it turns out. You know, in this talk radio age 918 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: that we live in too, like with Terrence Williams, people 919 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: remember not running out of bounds much more so than 920 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: nine receptions for one hundred and forty one yards in 921 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: this Kansas City, Kansas City. I told you that. You 922 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: watch him play against Kansas City, and I get it. 923 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: Vick and Ventur out there is going, all right, brought us. 924 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's we're in a situation right now where 925 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: he didn't have a touchdown catch, he didn't have this, 926 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: he didn't have that. But I think that to me, 927 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: you watch that Kansas City game. They threw him screens, 928 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: they threw him in and in that game also you 929 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: talk about not going out of bounce, he stayed in 930 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: bounce on a third down play to keep the clock going. 931 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: And you saw the sidelines basically Garrett and everybody's just like, yeah, 932 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: I'll clapping, you know, But he knew, he knew the 933 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: game situation, catch the fall down. Yeah, all right, I know, 934 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: little nuts, but yeah, he's teachable. Now, who's your guy 935 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: in Ventur again? Vick, Vick and Ventour. We don't have 936 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: Vic and Tour on the line, but we do have 937 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: Manny and Baker's feed. That works for me too. Yeah, Manny, 938 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 1: you're on Talking Cowboys. Hey, good morning guys, first time 939 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: called her a long time listener. Thank you. So, Uh 940 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 1: my question is uh knowing that you know pattern practice 941 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: is coming up Saturday. Yeah, who's that one guy except 942 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: for the obvious Randy Gregory, Who's that one guy you're 943 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: looking at and saying, give him the right opportunity. He's 944 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: gonna be making the roster that nobody expected. Nobody nobody see. 945 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna go jahad Ward going again against Martin. 946 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: You know, I want to see I want to see 947 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: Donte Jones and I want to see these tackles going 948 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: against Connor Williams and Frederick and you know when they 949 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: do the one on one stuff, I want to see 950 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: how many times because Travis Frederick is a machine. Travis 951 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: Frederick and then Zach Martiner machines out there when it 952 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: comes to technique and keeping the guys off and how 953 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: competitive are But if you're talking about a guy that 954 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,359 Speaker 1: you're looking at to make the team because of the 955 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: pads or we don't expect, we don't expect, I wow, 956 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: I got one go ahead. How about Duke Thomas? Talked 957 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: about him, talked about him a little longhorn, Duke Thomas, 958 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,919 Speaker 1: Did you mention him? No? I mean because that's who 959 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: Michael Gallup took the ball off his Oh yeah, and 960 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't a great moment for him. But just watching 961 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: him out there, he's very fluid, absolutely to this team. 962 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: Last year, he might have made the team if he hadn't. 963 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: I think he hurt his foot in his an. This 964 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: is tough for Rob Phillips to discuss, extremely because Rob 965 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: is an aggie and Duke Thomas is a longhorn, extremely tough, 966 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: extremely tough. I bled maroon. Yeah, but you know, I 967 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: keep it. I go down the middle here. Yeah. I 968 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,919 Speaker 1: think he's a guy because you're looking at the depth 969 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: of the secondary and he does have a little experience. 970 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: He's been in the system for a year. They need 971 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: somebody to round out that rotation and it's already a 972 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: young secondary anyway, So he's got a shot, throw a 973 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: guy out there, and maybe this is not the right 974 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: angle that that they were looking for. Me, Yeah, the 975 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: man he was looking for. But what about Rico gathers? 976 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: And I'm saying this in this way if it turns 977 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 1: into padded practices, and who can block? Can he can he? 978 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: If we if we look up and all of a 979 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: sudden we see both Scarborough and we see So you're 980 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: saying it more so that he can make the team. 981 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 1: What happens in padded press, you know, whereas you're not 982 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,320 Speaker 1: predicting it so much, but you're seeing you want to 983 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 1: watch it. He he looks, He looks lumbery out here 984 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: right now. But maybe when you put pads on everybody 985 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: else they kind of become a little cumbersome and lumbery. 986 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: And maybe this is where this is where umbery lumbery. 987 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 1: But but but right now we kind of in our 988 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 1: mind even chasing here, it's like, oh, we've got three 989 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: tight ends where you know you got four time right ends, coach, 990 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: you're really kind of thinking about. But maybe this is 991 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: where Rico gathers. All of a sudden, it's like, huh, 992 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: they run the ball behind you see you see Williams 993 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: or Jackson or one of those guys. Scarborough break one 994 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: behind him. You know, oh hey, they kind of he 995 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: caved down everything inside, ball comes the outside, and you 996 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: know you're like, oh, who through that block? Oh that 997 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,760 Speaker 1: was Wells and Rico Gathers on the outside there. Maybe 998 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: that's where all of a sudden we think of we've 999 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: seen Rico Gathers make plays in the Hall of Fame 1000 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 1: game where he's running across and catching the ball and 1001 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: doing that. But maybe this is where now when you 1002 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,760 Speaker 1: put the pads on for Rico Gathers, that turned into Okay, 1003 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about me, but I'm gonna 1004 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: block better than Dalton Schultz. I'm gonna block better than 1005 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. I'm gonna block better than Jeff Swaying. And 1006 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's the reason that their mind they're like, well, 1007 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: we gotta keep if we're gonna run twelve personnel stuff, 1008 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: we gotta keep Rico Gathers potentially as a big body block. 1009 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: Every time we talked to Rico, he talks about his blocking. Right, 1010 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,319 Speaker 1: that's the part he's got to fix. Because you think 1011 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 1: about these basketball players that become tight ends, it's well, 1012 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: they can get a jump ball and get the footballs. 1013 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: He could do that. He could do that, And I 1014 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: made up a nice word, lumberree. I good word. But 1015 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: but you watch him catch it's it's kind of like 1016 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,720 Speaker 1: a battleship trying to turn to get out to see. 1017 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: It doesn't turn really quick. It takes it some time. 1018 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 1: But but talking to Jason Witton about Rico gathers uh, 1019 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,839 Speaker 1: more so than the ability to catch the football, it's 1020 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 1: the ability to read defenses. There that that that that's 1021 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: always getting will care him because of his limited experience. 1022 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: He is football like you, so to speak. He's saying 1023 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,319 Speaker 1: a very nice way to is what he's saying. Right, Yeah, 1024 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm but Alan Larkin, no trouble finding this Ustin Austin Larkin. 1025 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm joking. No, he wasn't bad because in the 1026 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: OTAs had him working early. Let me tell you this though, 1027 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: he was the ten Guys ten Surprise ten guys of 1028 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: training Camp obversation I had of ten players, he was 1029 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,840 Speaker 1: number nine on my list of guys. I thought, so, yeah, absolutely, 1030 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: he's guys, got a little first step burst, justine slide. 1031 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: He's I think, yeah, I think already does Covington fit 1032 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: into that category. Is he like gonna make this team. 1033 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: I gonna make the team be a special if he 1034 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: can show that, right, they're trying to keep as many 1035 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 1: of those linebackers as they can. Yeah, I don't think 1036 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: you know he's That's an interesting story because he was 1037 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: a he was a quarterback initially at Indiana and now 1038 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: is really learning the defensive side of the game. So 1039 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: hopefully he can maintain that type of play. Joel Lanning 1040 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: make it as a special team. I think you're looking 1041 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: at a practice squad player right there. Did you see 1042 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 1: him out there practicing deep snapping? I did not. Yeah, see, 1043 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: there you go. That's what you gotta do. You gotta 1044 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: do something that all of a sudden they put you 1045 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: into game and you're like, you've played, you played a 1046 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: whole half of football, and then the fourth quarter of 1047 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: the last snap, last punt, you're snapping the football and 1048 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: it's not over somebody's head. That's what you gotta do. 1049 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, so there's three longs. I don't know it's 1050 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: on this team. Now. Yeah, you got Scott Daley backing 1051 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,919 Speaker 1: up LP, and now you got Joel. I think there's 1052 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 1: some guards that can also. Who's the emergency snap. I 1053 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: got yelled. At one time, Rich Besaccio, I was doing 1054 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,760 Speaker 1: a game on the radio and Besaco, who's your backup snapper? 1055 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: He goes, what are you asking that question for? I said, 1056 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 1: because I'm doing the game of the radio. I just 1057 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: want to know. He goes, you're chinks in it. I don't, 1058 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,319 Speaker 1: I don't need a backup snap. Don't don't talk like that. 1059 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I got yeah. I'm like here, 1060 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just trying to think of, like late in 1061 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: the game, who's snapping the ball? Besaca just lights into me. 1062 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Actually, time you don't have a 1063 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: backup snappers to get the emergency snap, not the backup snapper. Still, 1064 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: that's that's still not quite as bad, though they don't 1065 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: want to hear that. Okay, So I'm uh practice in 1066 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: pads and the caller sort of alludes to it who 1067 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: you're looking for h as far as putting the pads on. Uh. 1068 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,919 Speaker 1: More than anything, I'm just I just love the one 1069 00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: on one drills, you know, and especially going up tackles 1070 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,280 Speaker 1: about how about if it's not like an obscure guy, 1071 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,919 Speaker 1: where's Chaz Green, where's his mind? He's getting an IV right. Yeah, yeah, 1072 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, but I'm with you on this because 1073 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 1: they're over got Cameron Fleming has not taken a snap. 1074 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,399 Speaker 1: He's playing right tackle. You're gonna be the swing guy. 1075 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: I want to see you play left because if he 1076 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 1: could play left, you probably can start teammate in New 1077 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: England one on the right side. Super Bowl right side. 1078 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: So because they had Solder on the other. Absolutely. Yeah. 1079 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that right tackle messes up your offense, 1080 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: but I know left tackle does. For this group. It does. Oh, 1081 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: you can always move vile Collins. Then he got an option. 1082 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 1: Well it's an option and you got to make too. 1083 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: He looked good moving around yesterday too. Yeah. Wow Collins, 1084 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, my gosh. Yeah, he's he's getting He's got this. 1085 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: He's all he's getting the hang of this thing. He 1086 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: really is talked about. All these linemen they all can move. 1087 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,719 Speaker 1: Watch him, they're all they're massive, they can move. He 1088 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: does a kickstep where he gets so wide and and 1089 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, I mean, you know, they're 1090 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: they're they're trying like they're they're Laurens is trying to 1091 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: rush him and he kicks him so wide and Laurns 1092 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 1: just quit. It's like he was like, okay, I'm not 1093 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: gonna beat you here, you know kind of things. So 1094 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: it's just a big body, that athletic and doing those 1095 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: kinds of things. By the way, as we close talking cowboys, 1096 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: Jason Witten, I mean I hate people like this. He 1097 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: can play football, he's an all American guy and everything. 1098 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: He can also write. Apparently he wrote a story for 1099 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: ESPN dot com and uh, they just post it this morning, 1100 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's about social media and how players need to 1101 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: turn off their mention that Twitter has its as its 1102 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 1: placed and he will he will use Twitter as far 1103 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: as keeping up with stories and things on that like that. 1104 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: But you turn off your mentions and you don't listen 1105 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,439 Speaker 1: to the let me say it noise. Let me say 1106 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: another thing, Vic and Ventura. If you're gonna tag me 1107 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: with a player, you know you know that that's okay. 1108 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I'll come back at you if 1109 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: you're not right, I think the fictional right. Yeah, We're 1110 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: gonna find him. There's gotta be something I've been telling you. 1111 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: I've been telling you you know, when when you tag us, 1112 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: if you want to ask me a question and then 1113 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: you tag the player after I answer your question or whatever. 1114 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 1: You know, Shame on you, bro. I will come about. 1115 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you. Somebody comes up to you and says, hi, 1116 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,919 Speaker 1: my name's Vic, and you're gonna say where are you from? 1117 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: And he's gonna say Vin tur and I'm gonna tell 1118 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 1: him it if he makes it up, I'm gonna take 1119 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: a picture with that person when it happened, and I 1120 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: will like that picture yep on Twitter. There you go, 1121 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: twet it. We got a big weekend ahead, lots to 1122 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: talk about on Talking Yes Cowboys on Monday. I have 1123 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 1: a great weekend and the break is straight ahead. This 1124 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 1125 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.