WEBVTT - Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a great show today. I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 1>that Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler from the Housewives of

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey are going to join me. They also just

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off a new podcast, Two Jersey Jays. Get It Jen, Jackie,

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<v Speaker 1>Two Jersey Jays. The podcast has been a smashing success.

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<v Speaker 1>It's topping all the charts in a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason and well, I guess a lot of the subject

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<v Speaker 1>matter so far has dealt with the fact that Jen

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<v Speaker 1>Fessler has been very open about this, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking behind her back yet. Jen has been on one

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<v Speaker 1>of the weight loss drugs. She has been using it consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Goldschneider has not. She's kind of outspoken about not

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<v Speaker 1>being on it. And she has been very outspoken about

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<v Speaker 1>eating disorders in a battle that really she had to

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<v Speaker 1>stop to save her own life, and the Housewives were

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of that and saving her life. And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about all that, but you know, Lauren and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been really interested in this talking about ozebic, Wagovia, manjaro,

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<v Speaker 1>any of these drugs and how they're everywhere. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are on it, and some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>are owning it, like Jackie, which I really appreciate, but

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people aren't, a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>denying it or lying. And that psychology is interesting as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really wanted to dive into, not the medical side,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, we could do with a great doctor

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<v Speaker 1>like doctor Ali, which check out that episode if you

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<v Speaker 1>have not. They really are two very just normal women

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<v Speaker 1>who deal with these societal pressures that we talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's very relatable to have these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>and I welcome them to the most dramatic podcast ever.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jackie and Jen, first of all, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being here, and congratulations on the new podcast. To Jersey Jays,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're having so much fun with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we could have gone the blonde, the brunette,

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<v Speaker 1>we could have gone a lot of directions, but two

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey Jays is pretty solid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, we're loving it. I actually the brunette we

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<v Speaker 2>still change, Yeah, you still change it.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you both enjoyed about this podcast? Because by

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<v Speaker 1>the way. It has blown up. It's on the top

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<v Speaker 1>ten list everywhere, so it's really been a huge success.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you guys enjoying about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Jed, Okay. I mean, well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't believe it myself. I cannot believe that

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<v Speaker 2>we even have a podcast because I've so enjoyed doing

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts in the power being a guest on podcasts. So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what's really enjoyed about it is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>just shooting this with Can I say that my lifehouse

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely with Oh good, Okay? That I like that about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love shooting this with Jackie and it's fun

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<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, the response has been so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I'm hoping that I listen to podcasts all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and it does help me. It does sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like make me feel like I can relate about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so many different topics that I key into,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm hopeful that our listeners will feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's fun, right, It's really fun. I mean, especially

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<v Speaker 2>we're super close and.

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<v Speaker 3>We we always banter, so why not turn it into

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<v Speaker 3>a podcast, right, But I love being creative. I have

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<v Speaker 3>so much to say about so many things, and anytime

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<v Speaker 3>I listen to a podcast, I was always like, I

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<v Speaker 3>can do that. We have some dream guests, We do

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<v Speaker 3>have great Yes, well, Jen's got like a massive crush.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. I don't have crushes anymore. I' way

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<v Speaker 2>too old for crushes. I just have a massive respect

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<v Speaker 2>and love for Michael Rappaport.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just so funny and so interesting and

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<v Speaker 2>so passionate, and he's taken up the cause. Yes of

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<v Speaker 2>y allan. I just respect him tremendously. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>have him on.

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<v Speaker 1>He would be a great interview. And I know Michael

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and first of all, he's unbelievably funny,

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<v Speaker 1>good actor. But you know, it is has been interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to see him really shut down everything else he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing and take up this cause. Good for him for

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<v Speaker 1>standing by his convictions and deciding this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. I think you have to respect. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>you agree with him or not on everything, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>up to you, and you can debate that all you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I just respect when somebody really believes in what they

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<v Speaker 1>are doing and are willing to put it all on

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<v Speaker 1>the line.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the exact same way when he used to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I told him I had the pleasure of meeting him

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<v Speaker 2>and his beautiful wife, and I said, during COVID, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's very anti Trump, but with that the politics of

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<v Speaker 2>that factor out for a moment. He was so passionate,

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<v Speaker 2>but he would start screaming and the veins in.

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<v Speaker 1>His neck about I feel that it's on the daily

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<v Speaker 1>with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I can't and I would laugh my glass off

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<v Speaker 2>just watching him.

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<v Speaker 3>He would become so overwhelmed and scream and.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like I would just die.

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<v Speaker 1>He does cameos. He did one for a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>ours who lost a bet, and he just would go,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's very blue. He doesn't mind just cussing

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<v Speaker 1>and going at people in his cam. It's really funny stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I agree, And that's one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>things about these podcasts. Very cathartic, but also the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>things that I've learned. Lauren and I just had an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing conversation with the concierge doctor of Beverly Hills, doctor Ali,

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<v Speaker 1>and we went deep on something that you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about. It's one of the things I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into with you, and that is the

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss drugs, a Zimpic, Wagovia, Manjaro. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>three or four of them now that he was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura and I have been fascinated about this because it

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<v Speaker 1>is everywhere it is. You know, I'm in Austin, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and everybody is on a weight loss drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the housewives, it's definitely a part of the housewives culture,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a part of every housewife culture. It really

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<v Speaker 1>has become a huge thing in our society. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know you guys talk a lot about it, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have great perspectives both. Jen, you've been a big proponent

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<v Speaker 1>of being on it and Jack, you've been very outspoken

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<v Speaker 1>about your weight loss struggles your entire life, something I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually very knowledgeable about as well, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you about that. So I wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of extend that conversation to the two of you, and

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, just I guess broadbrush where you stand

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and Jen, we'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Thanks. I don't know that I'm a proponent of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a proponent of it for myself. Yeah, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>today on Good Morning America, there was a doctor on

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember his name, talking about the other

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<v Speaker 2>positive aspects of these drugs, and they're called what are

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<v Speaker 2>the letters, Yeah, but no, but they're called to me anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>not just for weight loss, for heart disease, stroke, holycystic

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<v Speaker 2>ovarian syndrome, and addiction. And Jackie and I spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>on our podcast, or our first podcast, we spoke about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I talked about how I'm a I'm a heavy drinker,

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<v Speaker 2>and the desire to drink has not vanished completely, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is certainly minimized. And I think there are for me,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of advantages to it, but the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest advantage of is that And the doctor talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this today on GMA. The noise, the food noise, the

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<v Speaker 2>weight noise has been almost eliminated, and for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in my life, I have some freedom around interesting

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<v Speaker 2>food and so, but do you still enjoy its just

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<v Speaker 2>been everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Has it diminished that at all for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question, because there are there have been times,

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<v Speaker 2>not recently because I've lowered my dose, but where I

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<v Speaker 2>really couldn't enjoy eating and I I that was never

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<v Speaker 2>my goal. So I when I lowered the dosage that

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<v Speaker 2>came back, the joy of eating came back, and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't without plaguing me, but still have an appetite. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just away in Mexico and we ate our way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, through this vacation and loved every minute of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The sort of torture that comes with that has dissipated

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Jackie, where do you stand on all this?

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<v Speaker 3>I dislike the drugs for you know, losing the last

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<v Speaker 3>few pounds or getting skinny for a number of reasons,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have no issue with any particular person using it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's the easy way out necessarily, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a lot of side effects that people

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<v Speaker 3>have to deal with. My fear is number one, given

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<v Speaker 3>my history with anorexia, which I battled for twenty years

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<v Speaker 3>and it nearly killed me, and I've been in recovery

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<v Speaker 3>for about two and a half years now. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think that anything that artificially shuts off your hunger is

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<v Speaker 3>basically inducing and eating disorder. Yeah, right, So it took

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<v Speaker 3>me a really long time to understand how to accept

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<v Speaker 3>my hunger cues and then eat until I was satisfied.

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<v Speaker 3>And for me to just watch people in droves just

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<v Speaker 3>shutting off their hunger so they can lose weight. Just

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<v Speaker 3>it raises a lot of red flags for me. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of unknowns with these drugs, and I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like in a few years from now, there might be

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<v Speaker 3>things that we know about them that we didn't know before,

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<v Speaker 3>and people might have to start going off of them,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they're going to end up being so many

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<v Speaker 3>people with eating disorders who never had one before. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's you know, that's where I have skin in the

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<v Speaker 3>game because I know how awful, how awful that life is,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just think that they are not so healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like even Jen admitted she doesn't exercise, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't always go for like the most nourishing new right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's on me, right, I mean, that's that's on me, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but that's a lot of people like you lose

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of muscle masks, which is not good for

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<v Speaker 3>an aging woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Very true, absolutely true. But I will say that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to I mean, you have to lift weights

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to choose vegetable And I had an incident.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke about this as well on our first podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where I had an impacted bowel and I was not

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<v Speaker 2>drinking any and it was my doctor was very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>you had got to drink water, you got to take fiber,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to eat your fruits and vegetables, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was ignoring all of that advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, Jen, And this is an awkward question because

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen you, ny are no awkward, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm just curious as you look at your own body,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get out of the shower, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>seeing now that you didn't see them?

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<v Speaker 2>So I see a lot of hanging skin, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>just the truth of it. I see a woman who's

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom half of her body looks like she's ninety

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<v Speaker 2>years old? But why do you want it? Because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't I'm not trying to be Keeni ready, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not walking a catwalk. And I never

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<v Speaker 2>loved the lower half of my body anyway. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>definitely lost muscle again. I'm not doing squats every day

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<v Speaker 2>right like I like I should be. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Ali actually brought up something very interesting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can really kind of maintain but you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to gain muscle mass. Let's say a guy like say

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be ripped. Getting on these drugs will

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<v Speaker 1>not do that. You're not going to slim down and

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<v Speaker 1>be all fired up, because he's like, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose muscle mass. You know, you can stay on the

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<v Speaker 1>protein diet, you can do all these things, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get ripped. You're not going to get bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is an interesting slippery slope, as Jackie was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious from someone who's used it as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a doctor, are you on it full time or

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<v Speaker 1>because he said, you know, what I don't mind is

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<v Speaker 1>people getting on it for a bit, dealing with whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>say they couldn't get rid of that last thirty pounds

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it was, but getting rid of that and

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<v Speaker 1>then being done and then now trying to be healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that Is that your outlook? Is that your process?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you like, no, No, I'm just staying on

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<v Speaker 1>this as a steady diet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've lowered my dosage. Yeah quite a bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>I actually put on maybe five pounds, which I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually feeling like I was looking just prel

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<v Speaker 2>But if I'm being honest, I maybe maybe I'll stay

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<v Speaker 2>on it indefinitely I don't have a plan to go

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<v Speaker 2>completely off of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jackie, it's you know, your story really struck a

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<v Speaker 1>chord with me. Someone very very close to me almost

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<v Speaker 1>died in college with eating disorder in arexia and bolimia,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them, and I thought the same thing when

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<v Speaker 1>I heard this. I'm like, man, this has got to

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<v Speaker 1>be at the very least triggering for someone who has

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with this, who battled so hard. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like addiction. You never stop that fight.

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<v Speaker 1>You never stop that battle. I know this person is

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<v Speaker 1>still fighting with it to this day, and I'm like, well, man,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this doing to your psyche?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it made my recovery a lot harder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't trigger me.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that I could go on it if I

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted to, so it's not like I never would.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not triggering in that sense of like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, all these people are getting skinny. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>envy that I had it for a long time and

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<v Speaker 3>I chose to change my life. What I selfishly don't

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<v Speaker 3>like about it is that I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people that I looked at during the course of my

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<v Speaker 3>sickness where I would watch them eat and say to myself,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you just eat.

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<v Speaker 3>Something and not freak out about it and not worry

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<v Speaker 3>about what's in it and just enjoy it and then

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<v Speaker 3>move on with your day. Because I was never able

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, And when I recovered, I looked forward

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<v Speaker 3>to being a part of that world. And then many,

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<v Speaker 3>many of the people in that world who I admired

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<v Speaker 3>started using these drugs. So now I am the person

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<v Speaker 3>who has the healthy relationship with food, and they are

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<v Speaker 3>the people who are on these drugs and are have

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<v Speaker 3>no appetite anymore. So for me, it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>like all of these people who were my role models

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<v Speaker 3>for what a healthy relationship with food look like, they

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<v Speaker 3>no longer exist.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to jump in for one second.

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<v Speaker 2>So of Chirs, you wouldn't know this, but I actually

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<v Speaker 2>was believe it for most of my twenties. And I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you that I totally get what Jackie is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, this is healthiest my relationship with food

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<v Speaker 2>has ever been, right, because you know, the struggle was

0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.520
<v Speaker 2>and is real, and once you're addicted to food and

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<v Speaker 2>you've I was also a compulsive overeater, still like over

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<v Speaker 2>the past, however, many years, I go in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of that binging cycle, that crazy binging cycle and the

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<v Speaker 2>remorse that comes with it the next day, and eating

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm not hungry. So it's like I finally feel

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<v Speaker 2>like one of those people that Jackie's describing who can

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<v Speaker 2>eat and not have to finish their plate but still

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy food. So I think it's you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a mixed bag.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think maybe you are the one of the exceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, Chris, people don't realize that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>studies that tout how wonderful these drugs are are funded

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<v Speaker 3>by the drug companies who.

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<v Speaker 2>Create the strug.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, doctor Alie and I were very frank about that

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<v Speaker 1>there are.

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<v Speaker 3>Side effects that people are not like reading about in

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<v Speaker 3>the paper every day because they're not you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of things behind the scenes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>go watch Dope sic, you know, like you'll see what

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<v Speaker 3>these pharma companies do, and it's just scary, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>would never be able to be on a drug like

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<v Speaker 3>this knowing that everything could unravel if by some chance

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<v Speaker 3>it had to be taken off the market. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like that would drive me crazy and I would never

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<v Speaker 3>be able to relax.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Laura and I after talking to doctor Ali,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been talking a lot about this because Oprah was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, very open about it, and you guys in

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<v Speaker 1>your your Housewives world, we'll talk about that more because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know how what's the percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>housewives do you think are on one of these drugs?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I will say at Bravocon this year,

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<v Speaker 3>every like there was no one overweight.

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<v Speaker 2>No one was overweight. Have there ever been a house

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<v Speaker 2>Has there ever been a housewife that was over Yeah,

0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone was thin. I would say, God, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a third of them maybe that were heavy. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that are on on I don't know. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean on our cast, like at least half the cast, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean talked about it. Yeah, that are honest. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>admit to being on it. So we're not like outing anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jackie, that's a very interesting point too. Those that

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<v Speaker 1>admit it and then those that don't. You know, obviously

0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.600
<v Speaker 1>there are those that are either denying, lying, or just

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring but they're on it. What do you think that percentage.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in the house eize world? Are just in general,

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<v Speaker 2>in the housewives world a few on each cast? I well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the real world, like I have so

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<v Speaker 2>many friends that are on it, and they don't share

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.879
<v Speaker 2>that information with anyone but me because they know that

0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm on it, because I'm so open about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm sworn to secrecy. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many women and men who are ashamed

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<v Speaker 2>to be on it, and you shouldn't. There shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>shame around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's something interesting. We talked so doctor Ali, who's

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<v Speaker 1>again he's the doctor to the Stars. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of celebrities, and he said, look, three quarters, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>probably seventy percent are walking around on one of these

0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.560
<v Speaker 1>weight loss drugs. And there is this you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are those like you that are very open about it

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<v Speaker 1>and very honest. I think it's very healthy. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>Oprah is talking about it because if nothing else, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates a debate. You can start asking questions instead of

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<v Speaker 1>doing things in the shadows, which really is never really healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the shame? Why are people lying? What

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<v Speaker 1>is it about us that we want to say, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I never got a boob job, I never got a

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<v Speaker 1>nose job. I'm all natural. I've lost thirty pounds naturally.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think there's a narrative in our and we

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<v Speaker 3>were going to talk about this today on our But

0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.880
<v Speaker 3>there's this narrative that, like you that these drugs are

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<v Speaker 3>the easy way out, and there's shame. There's like you

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<v Speaker 3>should be a shame to yourself if you haven't tried

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<v Speaker 3>everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>First, Yeah, we ha'ds Sonny because we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this today in terms of plastic surgery and

0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.240
<v Speaker 2>why there's so much sort of shame around it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I I think that they're okay. So this is just

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<v Speaker 2>what I know. I don't want to get anybody riled up,

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.479
<v Speaker 2>but there's there was talk about the fact that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a shortage and that people who needed it couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it. What I know, what I've heard and I've

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<v Speaker 2>done my research on it, is that at one point

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 2>there was a shortage of the actual pens that ozempic

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<v Speaker 2>cam in, right, not semi glue tide, not the medicine

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.119
<v Speaker 2>itself that you get from compound pharmacies, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a big reason why people have been shamed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would feel a lot of shame if I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that I was taking medicine out of people's hands

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<v Speaker 2>who need it. I don't believe that I'm doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you're definitely not now. I mean, there's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I also wonder, because look, I'm a big skeptic,

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.520
<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to pharmaceuticals. Was it a I

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<v Speaker 1>call it the pink's hot dog theory? Was there really

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<v Speaker 1>a shortage or do they just want to create a

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<v Speaker 1>line so it looks like it's busy, you know they

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<v Speaker 1>did they announce the Oh my gosh, it's crazy. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't get your hands on it, so you would rush

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<v Speaker 1>to a doctor and try and get it. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>the skeptic in making interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly, I think that people label, you know, ozembic users

0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 3>as lazy. There's also some kind of like resentment. I

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 3>think that some of the people who are calling other

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 3>people lazy really want to go on it themselves, and

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe they can't, you know, find one thousand dollars a month,

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.439
<v Speaker 3>which many many people can't, and that's you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like it's a drug for rich people to get thin,

0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, and that goes along with that understandably.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny, have you talked about which one you're on, because

0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.879
<v Speaker 1>there's several now semi.

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<v Speaker 2>Glue Tide, which is like the generic I guess, okay,

0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 2>right of ozempic. I believe by ozempic. Right, So it's

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.680
<v Speaker 2>made in a compound pharmacy because.

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<v Speaker 1>There's ozempic and Wagovia. But then now.

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<v Speaker 3>Menjar, there's a lot more now, Yeah, And you know

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<v Speaker 3>what scares me, Chris, is that now I believe the

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.520
<v Speaker 3>FDAs is working on approving it for kids, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I understand it all, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>An adult making that decision for themselves. But you take

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.480
<v Speaker 3>a child who doesn't like their body and you tell

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<v Speaker 3>them that instead of trying to like help them understand

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.840
<v Speaker 3>how to eat in a way that's better for them

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.439
<v Speaker 3>or like more physical exercise, you put them on a

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<v Speaker 3>drug instead.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, that is horrifying.

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it is. It's scary. And you know,

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I have two kids, you know, luckily they are grown

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and have kind of navigated this mine field of whether

0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.600
<v Speaker 1>it's social media now, weight loss drugs and all that.

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I have a nineteen year well she just turned twenty

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the other day, twenty year old daughter, and you know,

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 1>a twenty one year old son. And the reason I

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 1>love talking to women about this is because and Lauren

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 1>say the same thing. It's very different. The societal you know,

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 1>pressures that my daughter faces are not the societal pressures

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.199
<v Speaker 1>my son faces. They are very different.

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I have a twenty one year old daughter and a

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty three year old son, same thing. So I concur Yeah,

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.639
<v Speaker 2>it's so different, am I daughter is has type one diabetes,

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.479
<v Speaker 2>not to be confused with type two diabetes, which is

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 2>what these drugs are prescribed for. But I can tell

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>you that my daughter is eats in such a healthy

0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.720
<v Speaker 2>way in part because of the fact that she has

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>type one diabetes, but also because of the weight issue, right,

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and the pressure that she felt, especially in middle school

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and high school. She really struggled and she was never

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:39.520
<v Speaker 2>really overweight, right, but it was all encompassing and very

0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 2>very difficult to navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there was this kind of shift from

0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the perfect body. Are we really getting away from that

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>or really is it just we're back to.

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Where we were, So we're really getting away from that

0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 3>we're really getting away from that, and every day there's

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.680
<v Speaker 3>more drugs, and I think the whole thing was maybe

0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.880
<v Speaker 3>a farce. And I am so grateful that this whole

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.719
<v Speaker 3>ozembic craze started after I chose to recover, because if

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 3>it had started before, I'm not sure that I would

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 3>have found the strength to say, let me gain weight

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 3>while the whole world is losing weight.

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there any positive that you see, say, say, someone

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 1>is beliemic or inorexic, is that and there? Yeah, and

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what doctor could say, look, let's get you

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>on this. And you know, I don't know. I don't

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>know if that if that mindset would have worked on

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.399
<v Speaker 1>the person that was so close to me, or if

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it would have worked with you, like would you have

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 1>started eating or No.

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Not for somebody struggling with an eating disorder, unless it's

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.439
<v Speaker 3>binge eating disorder. Each case, I do think these drugs

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 3>can definitely help, But if you're struggling with anorexia, no,

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 3>these drugs are just replacing one form with another.

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 2>What about addiction? What about drinking?

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll be interested to see. I mean, obviously the

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>studies aren't in on this, but people are talking about it,

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and you said the person on the morning show was

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 1>referring to it, and Lauren and I have read studies

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>about the possibility that you know, it could help addiction.

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I makes sense. It's a blocker.

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a side effect.

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it could.

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think from what I remember, and I

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.719
<v Speaker 2>remember I'm fifty five years old and it was only

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>hours ago. But from what I remember, it has been

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 2>shown too really help with addiction. And as I was saying,

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I am a heavy drinker, I was. I said in

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 2>our last podcast years ago, I was really concerned about

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.959
<v Speaker 2>my relationship with alcohol, and I checked myself into an

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 2>outpatient program three times a week. And I'm always watching, watching,

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.679
<v Speaker 2>watching to see, you know, what is my relationship with

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>alcohol and in the moment, and this has changed all

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.639
<v Speaker 2>of that. And it's like a miracle. I mean, I'm sorry,

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 2>but there's I have an aversion to it.

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Look, at the end of the day, it is a

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>fascinating topic. I think I'm glad that you two ladies

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>are talking about it in such an open, honest way.

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the Oprah talking about it, I think other

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>people kind of coming to the forefront. Lauren felt it

0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we were heading up to our wedding a

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>few months ago go and she was asked by some

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of the ladies in the neighborhood, hey, do you know,

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>do you want to get on this before your wedding

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to kind of sharpen up or lose ten pounds or

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. And Lauren really struggled with it, and

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>she stayed strong and she did not take it, and

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>she has not taken it, but she said, I haven't

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>ruled it out, you know, I'm still weighing the options.

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:25.360
<v Speaker 1>But that pressure on her, even she knew I loved her,

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I find her so beautiful, sexy, whatever, that wasn't the question.

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>It had to do with her and the pressure she

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 1>was feeling internally that she almost took this drug, and

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 1>that pressure is real for our kids, for you, for everybody.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, luckily, I don't feel there's not a single

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 3>part of me that wants to be on these drugs.

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Nothing. No, And I.

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 3>Hope for all the people who share my mindset that

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 3>I can be a voice for that, because I am

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 3>there's no part of me that envy's anybody who's on

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 3>any of these drugs. And I'm so glad that it

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 3>works well for you and that it's complemented your life.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 3>But there's I have there's no part of me that

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 3>season upside.

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:08.959
<v Speaker 1>In the long run, I love that y'all can love

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 1>each other and have this this huge different opinion.

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, by the way, very anti housewives.

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's by the way, it's okay that we disagree

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>on a topic in this world. It's okay. You know,

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't need to cancel jin We don't need to

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 1>cancel Jackie. You know we do it. It's okay you

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>can actually disagree with someone.

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Degree and knock it canceled.

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Amen, What a weird concept. Speaking of housewives? A have

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>has it changed you?

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Was honestly Jenna's And I know, I don't mean to

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>get back on the weight loss thing, like has it

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>changed you? And that is that one of the reasons

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you got on it? How else? Has it changed your

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 1>life and your world?

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.400
<v Speaker 2>You know? It's interesting again. Our next podcast is about

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery. And I got on Housewives and as soon

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>as season one wrapped, I got a facelift and a

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 2>nose job and started semi glue Tide. So I barely

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 2>recognize myself in the mirror. But that wasn't all about it.

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>This is my honest to god truth. That wasn't just

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 2>about housewives. That was about the fact that I at

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the time I was fifty four years old, and way

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>before I even it was even a thought to go

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>on The Housewives of New Jersey, I was interviewing doctors

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>for facelifts. So does it looking back at season one?

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't love what I see in terms of, like,

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, my neck. I didn't think that I looked

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>so heavy on it necessarily, but I think I look

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 2>better now. I didn't feel this pressure to go on

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>ozembic or I wasn't going to look good enough for

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>season two, But I feel way more confident filming season two.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I was going into it feeling way more confident about

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>my physical appearance.

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Jackie, do you feel the same, Yes, I mean no.

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 3>For me. Well, so, I've been on it for six years,

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 3>and I think what was hard on me. I didn't

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 3>really do anything to me. I haven't done anything to

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 3>my face except like fillers and botox. But I think

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.719
<v Speaker 3>what was harder on me than watching it back was

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 3>hearing what people said about me on social media. So

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 3>I could watch back the early seasons and I'm like,

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 3>oh god, you just you know, you look simpler, you

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 3>look younger, your style is less stylish. But people on

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 3>social media, their feedback on what was wrong with my

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 3>features really impacted me and made me want to change everything.

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 3>By the way, there's so many women I watched like

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 3>early seasons, not on our casts, I'm talking, but like

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 3>you see pictures of them from years ago, and you're like,

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 3>what did you do to yourself?

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Like you went way overboard?

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 3>And I'll give you one example. I don't care if

0:28:58.400 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I get called out for it, but like she's a

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 3>beauty a woman. Take Larsa Pippen, right, you look at

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 3>a picture of Larsa Pippin from when she was married

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 3>to Scottie. She is so beautiful and natural looking and

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 3>just like gorgeous, and now she's still gorgeous. She's a bombshell,

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>but like she looks like a completely different person and

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 3>like she didn't need to do any of.

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>That, And so what is that? Because I mean, my

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Laura and I are talking about girls in college now,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>are you know, And they're at their most beautiful and voluptuous,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and their skin is the tightest and most elastic it'll

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.239
<v Speaker 1>ever be. And they're already getting fillers in botox and

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>this and that, you name it.

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 2>You want to know what I think it is?

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I think it's all these Instagram filters. Yeah, they

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 3>make you think that people look a certain and we're

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about this on ours also, but like

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 3>everybody's changing their pictures now.

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the social media is the devil. We know

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 2>this really, right, I Mean there's everything changed with the

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 2>advent of social media, for sure, and I think that

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 2>just all roads lead back to that, right. Is that

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>comparison that is so difficult? I think especially for young girls.

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I know it really was for my daughter. It is

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>for my daughter, and she's thirteen.

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of housewives, how has that impacted your kids? You're

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>both moms. You know, they see obviously a side of

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you at home, your mom or whatever. Then they see

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a site of you on housewives.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So again, my kids were older. I just now

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>they're twenty one and twenty three, so whatever. They were

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty and twenty two, and we had more than one

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>family meeting talking about what this was going to be. Like,

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're adults and they have no interest in

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>being part of the show so way easier. And I

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know for them, I think they were both they

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>were both nervous about it at the beginning, right, you

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want people saying bad things about your mom. Yeah,

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to know, which is sort of yeah,

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>which is sort of inevitable.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, it's the point of the show.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I think they were nervous about it. But

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>now I think that they're more proud of it than

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>they expected to be. And I don't want them to

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 2>be part of the show, right, and they don't really

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>want to. So it's been way easier, I think, than

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>it has for people with younger kids. Yeah.

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, but my journey on the show has

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 3>been entirely different. So, like the first two years, my

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>kids really they were young. My older ones turned ten

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 3>on the now turning sixteen. My younger ones were seven,

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>so they just basically did what I said.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>They thought it was.

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Kind of cool to see themselves on TV. And then

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>my third year, my marriage nearly fell apart because of

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the show, and so the show was, you know, not

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 3>a very happy topic in my home, and there was

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of like crying. And then the fourth year

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the show saved my life. So it's been like I,

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it really did save my life. I don't

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 3>think I would have been able to recover unless I

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 3>had a public platform to do it on. So like

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 3>in the one sense, there were times when it was horrible,

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 3>and the next sense it's you know, it's everything.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>So when you say it saved your life, literally, yes,

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>meaning literally it helps you with your eating disorder.

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 3>And well, I would wake up, over the course of

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 3>twenty years, every week and say today I'm going to

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 3>do something about this, like this week i'll eat more,

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 3>or this week I'll find someone to help me. And

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I never ever ever followed through. And when I realized

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 3>that I needed to stop or else I was going

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 3>to kill myself. I knew that if I did it

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>on the show and I had and everyone holding me accountable,

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 3>and I said it out loud and everyone was watching

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 3>me to see if I were to recover or not,

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 3>that I would not let myself fail because I would

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 3>not show people who were watching with their own eating

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 3>disorders or with children with eating disorders, that it's too

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 3>hard to recover. Interesting and the show gave me that opportunity.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Because I was going to ask, you know, because you

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>see a lot of divorces, and I've talked to other housewives,

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, it never seems to help a relationship. And

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, my thought is, what is the poll to

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>go back sometimes? You know, what is that draw to

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>remain a housewife for so many years?

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 3>That's so loaded because you go from I went from

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 3>a mom who would just go to like the grocery

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 3>store and school pickups. I was driving a mini van

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 3>at the time, to an overnight celebrity. And it's very,

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 3>very hard to go.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Back because it's intoxicating, or because it it's.

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Just it's intoxicating.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean I also had a lot of mental issues

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 3>that went into it too, like the validation and finally

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 3>being seen and finally being you know, I always used

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 3>to say, like I used to go into a restaurant

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 3>and the back room like who is famous? Like I

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 3>would try to like creak my head and see who

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 3>was back there, And I would ask who was back there?

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And now I'm the person back there? How am I

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>going to? How am I going to go backwards? You

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 2>know what I see with so many housewives, not just

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>on our casts, but across the board, this desperation to

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>stay on the show, and which is wild because you

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>see what goes on and how hard it is and

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>how it can affect people's lives positively and also so negatively.

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's sort of housewives at all costs, and it

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>becomes I guess your identity. I'm really working hard with

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>my therapist to make sure that does not happen to me.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Right now, I feel like I maybe I'm kidding myself.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I could go on if I got fired, I could

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>move on with my life. But I do see so

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>much of that, Like you know, that upset and that

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>holding on to something that has been so so so difficult.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Right your whole identity becomes I think about maybe just

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>not being just a housewife but a celebrity.

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was there a yah, and now I'm.

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Not, obviously jend these series were going on before you,

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>So was that the allure? Did you see that and

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>think that that status? I want to be seen as

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>one of these ladies. I want to kind of have

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that power.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Growing up, I wanted to be an actress. And

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I graduated from college and I went to moved immediately

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to New York to go to the American Academy of

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>dramatic arts. I was a horrible actress.

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's definitely a great path to become a housewife.

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I always wanted to be on stage. Yeah,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 2>in some way, in some form. It's a different thing

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to sign up for the Housewives because you are opening

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>up your life to so much scrutiny, I guess. And

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>what are you trading it for? I guess fame and fortune.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But it's been a different experience than

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I predicted. It can be really really fun and thrilling

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and an adventure and also really hard and not just

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>on not just during the filming of the show, but

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, the aftermath. So I think it sort of

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>cuts both ways. My life is certainly changed, but not

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>that intensity. I'm also a friend of a housewife, which

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>is is different. Jackie is as well now, and it's not.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 3>It's not as taxing on your family, it's not as

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 3>not evasive invasive on your life.

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Big I mean that poll. I mean, I know even

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, working on the Bacher Bacherette that allows producers

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>to have a lot of power. It's like, look, Jen, Jackie, look,

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>if you want to you really want to be prominent

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>in this episode. You really want to be a housewife,

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you want to come back next season, you want to

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 1>have your own story line. You know that there's all

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>these little things, these these carrots they can dangle in

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 1>front of you.

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, yep. I really hope that if or what listen,

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Housewives doesn't go on forever. You know, we're not actors

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>where this is a lifetime profession. I don't think. I mean,

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe for some women it will no for them.

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 3>For me, you know, it's not going to go on

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 3>forever anybody.

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, you know, being that entangled in

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>what all of this means and who you you have

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>to be very very grounded. I I'm really working on

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.799
<v Speaker 2>that myself. I don't ever want to feel like I'm

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>so desperate to stay on the show. It's really fun

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and exciting, but it's not everything.

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I always said there was comfort in the fact

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that you know, you know, in this business, you're essentially

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>going to be fired because every show wins. I don't care.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, the Bats are ended up going for twenty years,

0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't expect it to go. No one could

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>ever or predict that. But you know at some point

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that ride's going to be over and so living that

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 1>way is actually really good. You end up living usually

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>below your means if you're smart, because you know, it's

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>like next season is not promised to anybody. It's a

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>It's always an interesting business because you know, I always said,

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>it's probably better knowing that it's going to come to

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>an end as opposed to you know, you just heard

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>all the partners at one of the big accounting firms

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>just got laid off. They l you know, you make

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>it to partner. You think, Okay, I'm gonna be here

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for the next fifty years and then you're gone. I

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>think having that rug pulled out from unto you is

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>tougher than knowing someday you're not going to be a housewife. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 1>so you build for that. You're both married, and so

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>we'll do a little quick a little quick fire about marriage.

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to put on my sexy readers. You've

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>both been married for quite some time. Now, what's the

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>biggest ick about your husband?

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 3>You go first, Oh god, you take that one the

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 3>bathroom six times a day.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Explain that to me. I mean, you with your impacted

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>by like, I don't get it. What's the biggest ick.

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't. My husband's a nail bitter, and

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it cks me out as much

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 2>as it pisses me off. And I don't know why.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 2>When I see him biting his does something to me

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:15.959
<v Speaker 2>where I just want blood.

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>So and and by the way, so unhealthy that the

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>amount of germs onto your nails, that's that's horrifying.

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Listen. He would tell you that what x him out

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>is the way that I have eggs on my feet.

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>And I won't get into the details of that, but

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm way more icky than he is. Y. I eat

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>chips in beds?

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh no, Laura and I have had some fights

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>about that. No crumbs in bed So out of the ick,

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>let's go to sex life. How do you keep it alive?

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Such a funny question, and we're laughing because our last

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>episode is about was it about, yes, whether or not

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>our sex lives are in fact alive?

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Are they alive? Okay, well that's a better question.

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Are your sexual I make sure you know what. We

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>make it a point.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I make it a point to make sure that at

0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 3>least once a week.

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But when you us back again, Chris, we will

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about how our sex lives are not you know,

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the way that it's portrayed sex on these shows. That's

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 2>not what we necessarily relate to, right especially I mean,

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm fifty five and my husband's turning sixty one, so

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not the the priority.

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>So that brings up an interesting debate Laura and I

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>are having. So Jackie just said, I want to prioritize

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>at least once a week. Jen, what is healthy once

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a week, twice a week, five times a.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Week for us? I mean it's not it's what is

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 2>healthy we have at the base of our relationship is

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>this friendship, love, deep love and respect. So that is

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>part of our sex is part of our relationship, but

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not the biggest part. So it depends. It depends

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>on the month, it depends on the year, It depends

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>on the holiday, depends on the holiday. Is it his

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>birthday or not? At least a vander Pump used to

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 2>say that.

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, But I don't birthdays. So it's at least twice

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>a year.

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, but I don't know what's healthy physically. But

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 2>for us, whatever it is, and it's not we're not

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>hanging from the chandeliers. But it feels healthy emotionally, the

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>little lot whatever that we I don't know, so I

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.399
<v Speaker 2>don't really know the answer if I feel content.

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Would you ever be open to a threesome with your husband?

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I agree, not because it's judgmental. No, I

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:26.360
<v Speaker 2>mean for me, it's not that.

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 3>I just I would worry about the impact afterwards, Like

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.919
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't want another woman there because I'd worry about

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:34.919
<v Speaker 3>someone else. I don't want to see someone else touching

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 3>my hand. I don't think you would ever allow another man.

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh. No, last question, some housewives do not have a

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>monogamous relationship with their partner. Could you ever do that?

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, same reasons.

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that it would just introduce a lot of

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 3>problems into our relationship.

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I've spoken about on the show and also in our podcast.

0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>But my husband and I were separated for over a year,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and so there were there was infidelity, and so we've

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>been down that road. I'd prefer not to go down

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 2>that road again. I wouldn't recommend it. Having said that,

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't necessarily take it back either. So I think

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that there is a path back. I'm infidelity, do I

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 2>And I think that listen, whatever works like if you're

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>remember the word polyamorous. That's the word, right, and you're

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 2>happy you do you? Baby? I think it's fabulous news.

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Whatever floats your boat, Well, y'all floated my boat today.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Jen Jackie is first of all, it's just so good

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk to you, to meet you. Congratulations. If you

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>have not listened to their podcast, Two Jersey Jays, which

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 1>is on the iHeart podcast network, you can find it

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>wherever you find podcasts. It has been a huge success.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 1>And now I see why because y'all are so open,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>so honest, and you don't agree, which is wonderful. So

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I bet sometimes you do, but a lot of times

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.279
<v Speaker 1>you don't, and that's okay. Yeah, and you can still

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>break bread together.

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Amen.

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 3>She doesn't need bread anymore, but we'll break you bway.

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes I do. I finally do bread.

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we can't go back down that road.

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Podcast. Thank you so much for having us.

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>You're the best, Jen Jackie, thank you so much.

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll take care you, bye bye bye.

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>My thanks to Jackie and Jin for being a part

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 1>of it, and congratulations on their podcast. They're doing good.

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited that the most dramatic podcast is a part

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of that as well and promoting the Two Jersey Jays,

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And I like continuing this conversation about the weight loss drugs.

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I find it fascinating and I think the more we

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 1>dig into this, it's like scratching an edge. It just

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>it goes deeper and deeper. It makes it worse and worse.

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>And now I'm really enthralled with this. And it was

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>one thing to hear, you know, to talk to a doctor.

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>It's another thing to talk to someone who's on it.

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 1>And why and why Jen's doing it is I think

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>very interesting, and why Jackie's not doing it is very interesting.

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think the fact that you know you can

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>have these conversations, respect why your neighbor might be doing it,

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 1>respect why your other neighbor might not be doing it.

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>What's good for you is not necessarily good for the

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>next person. And so having your own opinions, asking those

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>questions and having your own reasons and your own basis

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 1>for doing things, I think is vital. So that's why

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to continue these conversations. I love having these conversations,

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>if it's about ozembic or anything else in this world.

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Is being able to ask a question and here's something

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>you may not love here's something you disagree with, and

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>then just following it up with another question and continuing

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the conversation. We don't have to be just this way

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>or just my way or the highway, even if you

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>really believe it's dangerous or really believe it's not good.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, we don't have all the answers all the time,

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.399
<v Speaker 1>So I love and appreciate Jen and Jackie for diving

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 1>into it and hear about the Housewives stuff I think

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is interesting too. Obviously I have my look into reality TV,

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 1>but that's different from everybody else's experience, so I enjoy

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that as well. So my best of them and my

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 1>best to all of you. Thank you so much for

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 1>being a part of this, and I will do it

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>again next time because we have a lot more to

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at

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0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.200
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0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:23.879
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