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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and we have a great show today. I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: that Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler from the Housewives of

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Speaker 1: New Jersey are going to join me. They also just

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Speaker 1: kicked off a new podcast, Two Jersey Jays. Get It Jen, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: Two Jersey Jays. The podcast has been a smashing success.

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Speaker 1: It's topping all the charts in a lot of the

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Speaker 1: reason and well, I guess a lot of the subject

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Speaker 1: matter so far has dealt with the fact that Jen

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Speaker 1: Fessler has been very open about this, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking behind her back yet. Jen has been on one

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Speaker 1: of the weight loss drugs. She has been using it consistently.

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Speaker 1: Jackie Goldschneider has not. She's kind of outspoken about not

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Speaker 1: being on it. And she has been very outspoken about

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Speaker 1: eating disorders in a battle that really she had to

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Speaker 1: stop to save her own life, and the Housewives were

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Speaker 1: a big part of that and saving her life. And

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about all that, but you know, Lauren and

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Speaker 1: I have been really interested in this talking about ozebic, Wagovia, manjaro,

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Speaker 1: any of these drugs and how they're everywhere. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people are on it, and some of the people

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Speaker 1: are owning it, like Jackie, which I really appreciate, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't, a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: denying it or lying. And that psychology is interesting as well.

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Speaker 1: So I really wanted to dive into, not the medical side,

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Speaker 1: which you know, we could do with a great doctor

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Speaker 1: like doctor Ali, which check out that episode if you

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Speaker 1: have not. They really are two very just normal women

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Speaker 1: who deal with these societal pressures that we talk about,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's very relatable to have these conversations

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Speaker 1: and I welcome them to the most dramatic podcast ever.

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Speaker 1: So Jackie and Jen, first of all, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being here, and congratulations on the new podcast. To Jersey Jays,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're having so much fun with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could have gone the blonde, the brunette,

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Speaker 1: we could have gone a lot of directions, but two

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Speaker 1: Jersey Jays is pretty solid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we're loving it. I actually the brunette we

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Speaker 2: still change, Yeah, you still change it.

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Speaker 1: What have you both enjoyed about this podcast? Because by

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Speaker 1: the way. It has blown up. It's on the top

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Speaker 1: ten list everywhere, so it's really been a huge success.

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Speaker 1: What are you guys enjoying about it?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jed, Okay. I mean, well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe it myself. I cannot believe that

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Speaker 2: podcasts in the power being a guest on podcasts. So

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Speaker 2: I guess what's really enjoyed about it is that it's

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Speaker 2: just shooting this with Can I say that my lifehouse

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Speaker 2: absolutely with Oh good, Okay? That I like that about it,

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Speaker 2: and I love shooting this with Jackie and it's fun

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Speaker 2: and it's you know, the response has been so nice.

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Speaker 2: And also I'm hoping that I listen to podcasts all

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Speaker 2: the time and it does help me. It does sort

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Speaker 2: of like make me feel like I can relate about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, so many different topics that I key into,

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Speaker 2: so I'm hopeful that our listeners will feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: But it's fun, right, It's really fun. I mean, especially

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Speaker 2: we're super close and.

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Speaker 3: We we always banter, so why not turn it into

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Speaker 3: a podcast, right, But I love being creative. I have

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Speaker 3: so much to say about so many things, and anytime

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Speaker 3: I listen to a podcast, I was always like, I

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Speaker 3: can do that. We have some dream guests, We do

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Speaker 3: have great Yes, well, Jen's got like a massive crush.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. I don't have crushes anymore. I' way

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Speaker 2: too old for crushes. I just have a massive respect

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Speaker 2: and love for Michael Rappaport.

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Speaker 2: I think he's just so funny and so interesting and

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Speaker 1: I just respect when somebody really believes in what they

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Speaker 2: I feel the exact same way when he used to talk.

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Speaker 1: things that I've learned. Lauren and I just had an

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Speaker 1: amazing conversation with the concierge doctor of Beverly Hills, doctor Ali,

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Speaker 1: and we went deep on something that you guys have

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Speaker 1: weight loss drugs, a Zimpic, Wagovia, Manjaro. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: have great perspectives both. Jen, you've been a big proponent

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Speaker 3: I dislike the drugs for you know, losing the last

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Speaker 3: I mean, like even Jen admitted she doesn't exercise, right,

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Speaker 3: you don't always go for like the most nourishing new right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's on me, right, I mean, that's that's on me, right.

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Speaker 3: So, but that's a lot of people like you lose

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Speaker 2: Very true, absolutely true. But I will say that you

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Speaker 2: you got to eat your fruits and vegetables, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Jen, And this is an awkward question because

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Speaker 1: I've never seen you, ny are no awkward, Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: And you know, Laura and I after talking to doctor Ali,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a narrative in our and we

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Speaker 1: There's ozempic and Wagovia. But then now.

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Speaker 3: An adult making that decision for themselves. But you take

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Speaker 2: For me, that is horrifying.

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Speaker 2: way in part because of the fact that she has

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00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: type one diabetes, but also because of the weight issue, right,

435
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: and the pressure that she felt, especially in middle school

436
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: and high school. She really struggled and she was never

437
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: really overweight, right, but it was all encompassing and very

438
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: very difficult to navigate.

439
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there was this kind of shift from

440
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: the perfect body. Are we really getting away from that

441
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: or really is it just we're back to.

442
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 3: Where we were, So we're really getting away from that

443
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 3: we're really getting away from that, and every day there's

444
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: more drugs, and I think the whole thing was maybe

445
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 3: a farce. And I am so grateful that this whole

446
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 3: ozembic craze started after I chose to recover, because if

447
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: it had started before, I'm not sure that I would

448
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: have found the strength to say, let me gain weight

449
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: while the whole world is losing weight.

450
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: Is there any positive that you see, say, say, someone

451
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: is beliemic or inorexic, is that and there? Yeah, and

452
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: you know what doctor could say, look, let's get you

453
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: on this. And you know, I don't know. I don't

454
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: know if that if that mindset would have worked on

455
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: the person that was so close to me, or if

456
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: it would have worked with you, like would you have

457
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: started eating or No.

458
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: Not for somebody struggling with an eating disorder, unless it's

459
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: binge eating disorder. Each case, I do think these drugs

460
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: can definitely help, But if you're struggling with anorexia, no,

461
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: these drugs are just replacing one form with another.

462
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: What about addiction? What about drinking?

463
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested to see. I mean, obviously the

464
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: studies aren't in on this, but people are talking about it,

465
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: and you said the person on the morning show was

466
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: referring to it, and Lauren and I have read studies

467
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: about the possibility that you know, it could help addiction.

468
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I makes sense. It's a blocker.

469
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a side effect.

470
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah it could.

471
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I think from what I remember, and I

472
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 2: remember I'm fifty five years old and it was only

473
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: hours ago. But from what I remember, it has been

474
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: shown too really help with addiction. And as I was saying,

475
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: I am a heavy drinker, I was. I said in

476
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: our last podcast years ago, I was really concerned about

477
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: my relationship with alcohol, and I checked myself into an

478
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: outpatient program three times a week. And I'm always watching, watching,

479
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: watching to see, you know, what is my relationship with

480
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: alcohol and in the moment, and this has changed all

481
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: of that. And it's like a miracle. I mean, I'm sorry,

482
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: but there's I have an aversion to it.

483
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: Look, at the end of the day, it is a

484
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: fascinating topic. I think I'm glad that you two ladies

485
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: are talking about it in such an open, honest way.

486
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: I think the Oprah talking about it, I think other

487
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: people kind of coming to the forefront. Lauren felt it

488
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, we were heading up to our wedding a

489
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: few months ago go and she was asked by some

490
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: of the ladies in the neighborhood, hey, do you know,

491
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: do you want to get on this before your wedding

492
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: to kind of sharpen up or lose ten pounds or

493
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And Lauren really struggled with it, and

494
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: she stayed strong and she did not take it, and

495
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: she has not taken it, but she said, I haven't

496
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: ruled it out, you know, I'm still weighing the options.

497
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: But that pressure on her, even she knew I loved her,

498
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: I find her so beautiful, sexy, whatever, that wasn't the question.

499
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: It had to do with her and the pressure she

500
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: was feeling internally that she almost took this drug, and

501
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: that pressure is real for our kids, for you, for everybody.

502
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

503
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean, luckily, I don't feel there's not a single

504
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: part of me that wants to be on these drugs.

505
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 2: Nothing. No, And I.

506
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: Hope for all the people who share my mindset that

507
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: I can be a voice for that, because I am

508
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: there's no part of me that envy's anybody who's on

509
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: any of these drugs. And I'm so glad that it

510
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: works well for you and that it's complemented your life.

511
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: But there's I have there's no part of me that

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: season upside.

513
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: In the long run, I love that y'all can love

514
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: each other and have this this huge different opinion.

515
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, very anti housewives.

516
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: But it's by the way, it's okay that we disagree

517
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: on a topic in this world. It's okay. You know,

518
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: we don't need to cancel jin We don't need to

519
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: cancel Jackie. You know we do it. It's okay you

520
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: can actually disagree with someone.

521
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: Degree and knock it canceled.

522
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: Amen, What a weird concept. Speaking of housewives? A have

523
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: has it changed you?

524
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: You know?

525
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: Was honestly Jenna's And I know, I don't mean to

526
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: get back on the weight loss thing, like has it

527
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: changed you? And that is that one of the reasons

528
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: you got on it? How else? Has it changed your

529
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: life and your world?

530
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: You know? It's interesting again. Our next podcast is about

531
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: plastic surgery. And I got on Housewives and as soon

532
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: as season one wrapped, I got a facelift and a

533
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: nose job and started semi glue Tide. So I barely

534
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: recognize myself in the mirror. But that wasn't all about it.

535
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: This is my honest to god truth. That wasn't just

536
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: about housewives. That was about the fact that I at

537
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: the time I was fifty four years old, and way

538
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: before I even it was even a thought to go

539
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: on The Housewives of New Jersey, I was interviewing doctors

540
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: for facelifts. So does it looking back at season one?

541
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't love what I see in terms of, like,

542
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, my neck. I didn't think that I looked

543
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: so heavy on it necessarily, but I think I look

544
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: better now. I didn't feel this pressure to go on

545
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: ozembic or I wasn't going to look good enough for

546
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: season two, But I feel way more confident filming season two.

547
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: I was going into it feeling way more confident about

548
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: my physical appearance.

549
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Jackie, do you feel the same, Yes, I mean no.

550
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: For me. Well, so, I've been on it for six years,

551
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: and I think what was hard on me. I didn't

552
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: really do anything to me. I haven't done anything to

553
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 3: my face except like fillers and botox. But I think

554
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 3: what was harder on me than watching it back was

555
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: hearing what people said about me on social media. So

556
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: I could watch back the early seasons and I'm like,

557
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: oh god, you just you know, you look simpler, you

558
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: look younger, your style is less stylish. But people on

559
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: social media, their feedback on what was wrong with my

560
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: features really impacted me and made me want to change everything.

561
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: By the way, there's so many women I watched like

562
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: early seasons, not on our casts, I'm talking, but like

563
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: you see pictures of them from years ago, and you're like,

564
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: what did you do to yourself?

565
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Like you went way overboard?

566
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: And I'll give you one example. I don't care if

567
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: I get called out for it, but like she's a

568
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: beauty a woman. Take Larsa Pippen, right, you look at

569
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: a picture of Larsa Pippin from when she was married

570
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: to Scottie. She is so beautiful and natural looking and

571
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: just like gorgeous, and now she's still gorgeous. She's a bombshell,

572
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: but like she looks like a completely different person and

573
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: like she didn't need to do any of.

574
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: That, And so what is that? Because I mean, my

575
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Laura and I are talking about girls in college now,

576
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: are you know, And they're at their most beautiful and voluptuous,

577
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and their skin is the tightest and most elastic it'll

578
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: ever be. And they're already getting fillers in botox and

579
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: this and that, you name it.

580
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: You want to know what I think it is?

581
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think it's all these Instagram filters. Yeah, they

582
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: make you think that people look a certain and we're

583
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: going to talk about this on ours also, but like

584
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: everybody's changing their pictures now.

585
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: I mean, the social media is the devil. We know

586
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: this really, right, I Mean there's everything changed with the

587
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: advent of social media, for sure, and I think that

588
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: just all roads lead back to that, right. Is that

589
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: comparison that is so difficult? I think especially for young girls.

590
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: I know it really was for my daughter. It is

591
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: for my daughter, and she's thirteen.

592
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of housewives, how has that impacted your kids? You're

593
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: both moms. You know, they see obviously a side of

594
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: you at home, your mom or whatever. Then they see

595
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: a site of you on housewives.

596
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, my kids were older. I just now

597
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: they're twenty one and twenty three, so whatever. They were

598
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty two, and we had more than one

599
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: family meeting talking about what this was going to be. Like,

600
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 2: you know, they're adults and they have no interest in

601
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: being part of the show so way easier. And I

602
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: don't know for them, I think they were both they

603
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: were both nervous about it at the beginning, right, you

604
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: don't want people saying bad things about your mom. Yeah,

605
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: you don't want to know, which is sort of yeah,

606
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: which is sort of inevitable.

607
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Right, right, it's the point of the show.

608
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: Right, So I think they were nervous about it. But

609
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: now I think that they're more proud of it than

610
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: they expected to be. And I don't want them to

611
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: be part of the show, right, and they don't really

612
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: want to. So it's been way easier, I think, than

613
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: it has for people with younger kids. Yeah.

614
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but my journey on the show has

615
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: been entirely different. So, like the first two years, my

616
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: kids really they were young. My older ones turned ten

617
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: on the now turning sixteen. My younger ones were seven,

618
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: so they just basically did what I said.

619
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: They thought it was.

620
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: Kind of cool to see themselves on TV. And then

621
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: my third year, my marriage nearly fell apart because of

622
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: the show, and so the show was, you know, not

623
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: a very happy topic in my home, and there was

624
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: a lot of like crying. And then the fourth year

625
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: the show saved my life. So it's been like I,

626
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it really did save my life. I don't

627
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: think I would have been able to recover unless I

628
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: had a public platform to do it on. So like

629
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: in the one sense, there were times when it was horrible,

630
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: and the next sense it's you know, it's everything.

631
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: So when you say it saved your life, literally, yes,

632
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: meaning literally it helps you with your eating disorder.

633
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: And well, I would wake up, over the course of

634
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: twenty years, every week and say today I'm going to

635
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: do something about this, like this week i'll eat more,

636
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: or this week I'll find someone to help me. And

637
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: I never ever ever followed through. And when I realized

638
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: that I needed to stop or else I was going

639
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: to kill myself. I knew that if I did it

640
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: on the show and I had and everyone holding me accountable,

641
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: and I said it out loud and everyone was watching

642
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: me to see if I were to recover or not,

643
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: that I would not let myself fail because I would

644
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: not show people who were watching with their own eating

645
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: disorders or with children with eating disorders, that it's too

646
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: hard to recover. Interesting and the show gave me that opportunity.

647
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask, you know, because you

648
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: see a lot of divorces, and I've talked to other housewives,

649
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, it never seems to help a relationship. And

650
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, my thought is, what is the poll to

651
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: go back sometimes? You know, what is that draw to

652
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: remain a housewife for so many years?

653
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: That's so loaded because you go from I went from

654
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: a mom who would just go to like the grocery

655
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: store and school pickups. I was driving a mini van

656
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: at the time, to an overnight celebrity. And it's very,

657
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: very hard to go.

658
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Back because it's intoxicating, or because it it's.

659
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Just it's intoxicating.

660
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean I also had a lot of mental issues

661
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: that went into it too, like the validation and finally

662
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: being seen and finally being you know, I always used

663
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: to say, like I used to go into a restaurant

664
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: and the back room like who is famous? Like I

665
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: would try to like creak my head and see who

666
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: was back there, And I would ask who was back there?

667
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: And now I'm the person back there? How am I

668
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: going to? How am I going to go backwards? You

669
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: know what I see with so many housewives, not just

670
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: on our casts, but across the board, this desperation to

671
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: stay on the show, and which is wild because you

672
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: see what goes on and how hard it is and

673
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: how it can affect people's lives positively and also so negatively.

674
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: But it's sort of housewives at all costs, and it

675
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: becomes I guess your identity. I'm really working hard with

676
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: my therapist to make sure that does not happen to me.

677
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like I maybe I'm kidding myself.

678
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: I could go on if I got fired, I could

679
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: move on with my life. But I do see so

680
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: much of that, Like you know, that upset and that

681
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: holding on to something that has been so so so difficult.

682
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: Right your whole identity becomes I think about maybe just

683
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: not being just a housewife but a celebrity.

684
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there a yah, and now I'm.

685
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: Not, obviously jend these series were going on before you,

686
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: So was that the allure? Did you see that and

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: think that that status? I want to be seen as

688
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: one of these ladies. I want to kind of have

689
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: that power.

690
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Growing up, I wanted to be an actress. And

691
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: I graduated from college and I went to moved immediately

692
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: to New York to go to the American Academy of

693
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: dramatic arts. I was a horrible actress.

694
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's definitely a great path to become a housewife.

695
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so I always wanted to be on stage. Yeah,

696
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: in some way, in some form. It's a different thing

697
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: to sign up for the Housewives because you are opening

698
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: up your life to so much scrutiny, I guess. And

699
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: what are you trading it for? I guess fame and fortune.

700
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. But it's been a different experience than

701
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: I predicted. It can be really really fun and thrilling

702
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: and an adventure and also really hard and not just

703
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: on not just during the filming of the show, but

704
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, the aftermath. So I think it sort of

705
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: cuts both ways. My life is certainly changed, but not

706
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: that intensity. I'm also a friend of a housewife, which

707
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: is is different. Jackie is as well now, and it's not.

708
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: It's not as taxing on your family, it's not as

709
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: not evasive invasive on your life.

710
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: Big I mean that poll. I mean, I know even

711
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, working on the Bacher Bacherette that allows producers

712
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: to have a lot of power. It's like, look, Jen, Jackie, look,

713
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: if you want to you really want to be prominent

714
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: in this episode. You really want to be a housewife,

715
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: you want to come back next season, you want to

716
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: have your own story line. You know that there's all

717
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: these little things, these these carrots they can dangle in

718
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: front of you.

719
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yep. I really hope that if or what listen,

720
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Housewives doesn't go on forever. You know, we're not actors

721
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: where this is a lifetime profession. I don't think. I mean,

722
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: maybe for some women it will no for them.

723
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: For me, you know, it's not going to go on

724
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: forever anybody.

725
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, being that entangled in

726
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: what all of this means and who you you have

727
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: to be very very grounded. I I'm really working on

728
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: that myself. I don't ever want to feel like I'm

729
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: so desperate to stay on the show. It's really fun

730
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: and exciting, but it's not everything.

731
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: Well, I always said there was comfort in the fact

732
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that you know, you know, in this business, you're essentially

733
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: going to be fired because every show wins. I don't care.

734
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, the Bats are ended up going for twenty years,

735
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: which I didn't expect it to go. No one could

736
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: ever or predict that. But you know at some point

737
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: that ride's going to be over and so living that

738
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: way is actually really good. You end up living usually

739
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: below your means if you're smart, because you know, it's

740
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: like next season is not promised to anybody. It's a

741
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: It's always an interesting business because you know, I always said,

742
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: it's probably better knowing that it's going to come to

743
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: an end as opposed to you know, you just heard

744
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: all the partners at one of the big accounting firms

745
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: just got laid off. They l you know, you make

746
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: it to partner. You think, Okay, I'm gonna be here

747
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: for the next fifty years and then you're gone. I

748
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: think having that rug pulled out from unto you is

749
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: tougher than knowing someday you're not going to be a housewife. Yeah, yeah,

750
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: so you build for that. You're both married, and so

751
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: we'll do a little quick a little quick fire about marriage.

752
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: And I'm going to put on my sexy readers. You've

753
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: both been married for quite some time. Now, what's the

754
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: biggest ick about your husband?

755
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: You go first, Oh god, you take that one the

756
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: bathroom six times a day.

757
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: Explain that to me. I mean, you with your impacted

758
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: by like, I don't get it. What's the biggest ick.

759
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. My husband's a nail bitter, and

760
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it cks me out as much

761
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: as it pisses me off. And I don't know why.

762
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: When I see him biting his does something to me

763
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 2: where I just want blood.

764
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: So and and by the way, so unhealthy that the

765
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: amount of germs onto your nails, that's that's horrifying.

766
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Listen. He would tell you that what x him out

767
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: is the way that I have eggs on my feet.

768
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: And I won't get into the details of that, but

769
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm way more icky than he is. Y. I eat

770
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: chips in beds?

771
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh no, Laura and I have had some fights

772
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: about that. No crumbs in bed So out of the ick,

773
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: let's go to sex life. How do you keep it alive?

774
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Such a funny question, and we're laughing because our last

775
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: episode is about was it about, yes, whether or not

776
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: our sex lives are in fact alive?

777
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: Are they alive? Okay, well that's a better question.

778
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: Are your sexual I make sure you know what. We

779
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: make it a point.

780
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: I make it a point to make sure that at

781
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: least once a week.

782
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. But when you us back again, Chris, we will

783
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: talk about how our sex lives are not you know,

784
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: the way that it's portrayed sex on these shows. That's

785
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: not what we necessarily relate to, right especially I mean,

786
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: I'm fifty five and my husband's turning sixty one, so

787
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: it's not the the priority.

788
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: So that brings up an interesting debate Laura and I

789
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: are having. So Jackie just said, I want to prioritize

790
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: at least once a week. Jen, what is healthy once

791
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: a week, twice a week, five times a.

792
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: Week for us? I mean it's not it's what is

793
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: healthy we have at the base of our relationship is

794
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: this friendship, love, deep love and respect. So that is

795
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: part of our sex is part of our relationship, but

796
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: it's not the biggest part. So it depends. It depends

797
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: on the month, it depends on the year, It depends

798
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: on the holiday, depends on the holiday. Is it his

799
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: birthday or not? At least a vander Pump used to

800
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: say that.

801
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: Right, But I don't birthdays. So it's at least twice

802
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: a year.

803
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but I don't know what's healthy physically. But

804
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: for us, whatever it is, and it's not we're not

805
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: hanging from the chandeliers. But it feels healthy emotionally, the

806
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: little lot whatever that we I don't know, so I

807
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: don't really know the answer if I feel content.

808
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Would you ever be open to a threesome with your husband?

809
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: No, no, I agree, not because it's judgmental. No, I

810
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: mean for me, it's not that.

811
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: I just I would worry about the impact afterwards, Like

812
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want another woman there because I'd worry about

813
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 3: someone else. I don't want to see someone else touching

814
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: my hand. I don't think you would ever allow another man.

815
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh. No, last question, some housewives do not have a

816
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: monogamous relationship with their partner. Could you ever do that?

817
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so, same reasons.

818
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: I think that it would just introduce a lot of

819
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: problems into our relationship.

820
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: I've spoken about on the show and also in our podcast.

821
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: But my husband and I were separated for over a year,

822
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: and so there were there was infidelity, and so we've

823
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: been down that road. I'd prefer not to go down

824
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: that road again. I wouldn't recommend it. Having said that,

825
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily take it back either. So I think

826
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: that there is a path back. I'm infidelity, do I

827
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: And I think that listen, whatever works like if you're

828
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: remember the word polyamorous. That's the word, right, and you're

829
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: happy you do you? Baby? I think it's fabulous news.

830
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Whatever floats your boat, Well, y'all floated my boat today.

831
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: Jen Jackie is first of all, it's just so good

832
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: to talk to you, to meet you. Congratulations. If you

833
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: have not listened to their podcast, Two Jersey Jays, which

834
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: is on the iHeart podcast network, you can find it

835
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: wherever you find podcasts. It has been a huge success.

836
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: And now I see why because y'all are so open,

837
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: so honest, and you don't agree, which is wonderful. So

838
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: I bet sometimes you do, but a lot of times

839
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: you don't, and that's okay. Yeah, and you can still

840
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: break bread together.

841
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: Amen.

842
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: She doesn't need bread anymore, but we'll break you bway.

843
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: Yes I do. I finally do bread.

844
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: Okay, we can't go back down that road.

845
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Podcast. Thank you so much for having us.

846
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: You're the best, Jen Jackie, thank you so much.

847
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: I'll take care you, bye bye bye.

848
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: My thanks to Jackie and Jin for being a part

849
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: of it, and congratulations on their podcast. They're doing good.

850
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited that the most dramatic podcast is a part

851
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: of that as well and promoting the Two Jersey Jays,

852
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: And I like continuing this conversation about the weight loss drugs.

853
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating and I think the more we

854
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: dig into this, it's like scratching an edge. It just

855
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: it goes deeper and deeper. It makes it worse and worse.

856
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: And now I'm really enthralled with this. And it was

857
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: one thing to hear, you know, to talk to a doctor.

858
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: It's another thing to talk to someone who's on it.

859
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: And why and why Jen's doing it is I think

860
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: very interesting, and why Jackie's not doing it is very interesting.

861
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you know you can

862
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: have these conversations, respect why your neighbor might be doing it,

863
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: respect why your other neighbor might not be doing it.

864
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: What's good for you is not necessarily good for the

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Speaker 1: next person. And so having your own opinions, asking those

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Speaker 1: questions and having your own reasons and your own basis

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Speaker 1: for doing things, I think is vital. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I want to continue these conversations. I love having these conversations,

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Speaker 1: if it's about ozembic or anything else in this world.

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Speaker 1: Is being able to ask a question and here's something

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Speaker 1: you may not love here's something you disagree with, and

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Speaker 1: then just following it up with another question and continuing

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Speaker 1: the conversation. We don't have to be just this way

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Speaker 1: or just my way or the highway, even if you

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Speaker 1: really believe it's dangerous or really believe it's not good.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't have all the answers all the time,

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Speaker 1: So I love and appreciate Jen and Jackie for diving

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Speaker 1: into it and hear about the Housewives stuff I think

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Speaker 1: is interesting too. Obviously I have my look into reality TV,

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Speaker 1: but that's different from everybody else's experience, so I enjoy

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Speaker 1: that as well. So my best of them and my

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Speaker 1: best to all of you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being a part of this, and I will do it

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Speaker 1: again next time because we have a lot more to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: the most dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write

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