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Speaker 2: Chipotle Mexican Grill. I was just there yesterday. Love it.

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Speaker 2: It's my kind of my once a week thing. Was

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Speaker 2: it crowded?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, It's always crowded when the schools get out

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Speaker 4: because all the kids come in there and then that's

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Speaker 4: Itay're big fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, it was good, but apparently not so good in

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Speaker 4: the quarter. They had some disappointing results of their guidance.

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Speaker 4: Was a little cautious here, and the stock is down

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Speaker 4: fifteen point seven percent today, down about forty percent year

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Speaker 4: to date. Michael Hanlin joins a senior restaurant and food

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Speaker 4: service analysts for Bloomberg Intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Mike, is this a Chipotle thing?

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Speaker 4: Is this a fast service quick service restaurant thing?

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Speaker 2: What is this going on there? Now? Listen there there is.

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Speaker 5: You know, some other companies are talking about a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a pullback here in October. I think a

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Speaker 5: big part of it is really around the DC metropolitan

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Speaker 5: area and has to do with the government shut down.

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Speaker 5: But this is you know, Chipoti is trying to blame

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Speaker 5: the macro but you know, this is largely self inflicted

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Speaker 5: in our view. I mean, if you look at the

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Speaker 5: other earnings that have been released, Shake Shack this morning

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Speaker 5: had a great print. Restaurant brands which owns, you know,

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Speaker 5: Domino's Chili's are crushing it right now. So you know,

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Speaker 5: for them to come out and blame low income consumers.

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Speaker 2: Which they have a very low exposure to.

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Speaker 5: As well as gen Z, which you know, there's some

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Speaker 5: anecdotal stuff out there about how gen Z employment isn't great,

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Speaker 5: showing that gen Z is spending spending more than other

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Speaker 5: age cohorts and expect to spend more next year. So

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Speaker 5: it's really, I think, largely self inflicted.

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Speaker 6: I love the pushback against the narrative that Chipotle is

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Speaker 6: peddling here. Having said that, you're seeing shares of Sweet

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Speaker 6: What does this mean whether it's a macro backdrop story

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Speaker 6: that Chipotle is, you know, putting the blame on, or

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Speaker 6: a Chipotle specific problem. What does this mean for how

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Speaker 6: it prices its food? Up until now, it's been moving

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Speaker 6: forward with price increases.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is this is one of the things

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Speaker 5: that kind of really got me going on this call yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and then calls in the past as well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, last year.

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Speaker 5: I would say about fifteen months ago, a little more

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Speaker 5: sixteen months ago, there was it went viral that their

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Speaker 5: portion sizes were getting smaller, right, and they made an

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Speaker 5: investment to increase the portion sizes, which they've done, right,

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Speaker 5: So there was a problem last year.

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Speaker 5: Fall earlier this year, they were talking about how much

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Speaker 5: value they have and we think we're still a great value.

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Speaker 2: Values not our issue.

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Speaker 5: Then they came back on this call and they spoke

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Speaker 5: out of both sides of their mouth. They said, we're

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Speaker 5: the same time they said their survey data was showing

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Speaker 5: that some people thought their food was way too expensive.

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Speaker 2: So which one is it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Like, if you don't even know what your problem is,

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Speaker 5: how are you supposed to fix it.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, So what are some of the competitors doing in

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Speaker 4: terms of price increases to I don't know, cover the

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest problem here is that they don't

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Speaker 5: have any everyday value on their menu. And I understand

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Speaker 5: their reluctance to go there, but I mean customers want

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Speaker 5: how they they have this new one three five dollars offer, right,

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Speaker 5: It's not like a crazy discount, and it's it's items

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Speaker 7: They switched the focus to that and value and it

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Speaker 7: and Chapotle doesn't really have it on its menu.

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Speaker 2: All right, God's you know, lips in your ears or

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Speaker 6: And we have the anecdotal evidence that you just provided

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Speaker 6: my Anecdotal evidence is when they started giving you more

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Speaker 6: stuff in my taco I didn't need three.

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Speaker 2: I only order two now because they overflow it. They

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Speaker 2: don't like that.

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Speaker 4: Michael Halen, Senior restaurant analyst Bloomberg Intelligence, pulling no punches

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Speaker 4: on the folks that told he had the alternate take exactly,

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Speaker 4: and he often has that take. Any often is contentious

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Speaker 4: on earnings conference calls. I've heard this lot of self

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Speaker 4: back in the day. Still listen in on some of those.

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Speaker 4: Comcast reported some earnings here, stocks down three percent, down

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Speaker 2: Tough tough sledding for these cable companies. Here.

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Speaker 4: media stuff for Bloomberg Intelligence. Etha, what's the takeaway from

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Speaker 4: the Comcast earnings here? Another tough quarter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, another tough quarter. For Comcasts, and we suspect

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Speaker 3: For these cable companies, they've been having a lot of

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Speaker 3: competition in their broadband business, remember broadband. Comcast is the

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Speaker 6: So this idea of using price lock guarantees and bundled

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Speaker 2: Absolutely it works, Githa.

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Speaker 4: The fundamentals are one thing, but probably the big big

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Speaker 3: They need to do something, Paul. And I mean you

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Speaker 6: The frenzied m and A taking place in the pharmaceutical sector.

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