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Speaker 3: Jd Vance won the VP debate. Tim Walls also won
Speaker 3: the VP debate and Triumph the insult comic dog poops
Speaker 3: on the Spin Room. So let's get into it. Indecision
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Let's kick things off with the big
Speaker 3: Vice presidential debate, the only time these candidates will face
Speaker 3: off well in the United States. The European tour is
Speaker 3: kicking off next week. But for those of us who
Speaker 3: found it very exciting, there actually was one particular moment
Speaker 3: that everyone is talking about today and what was the
Speaker 3: Knight's most contentious exchange. Vans refuse to acknowledge that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump lost the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 1: I would just ask that did he lose the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty election?
Speaker 3: Tim, I'm focused on the future. I'm focused on the future.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you could answer questions with that. You know,
Speaker 3: next time my wife asked me why I forgot to
Speaker 3: pick up the kids. I'll say, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm focused on the future. Where are the kids now?
Speaker 3: Or how about the next time I get pulled over?
Speaker 3: Do you know how fast you are going? I know
Speaker 3: how fast I am going zero miles per hour. That's
Speaker 3: got to count for something, officer. But I appreciate JD. Vancy.
Speaker 3: He's not focused on Trump trying to steal the last election.
Speaker 3: He's focused on Trump trying to steal the next election.
Speaker 3: And honestly, that is progress. But of course it's not
Speaker 3: just the debate that matters, because, yeah, some people form
Speaker 3: their opinion by watching it as it happens, but a
Speaker 3: lot more people form their opinion by watching other people's opinions.
Speaker 3: You know how you go to a fancy restaurant that
Speaker 3: took months to get reservations. It's so expensive, and at
Speaker 3: the end you're thinking that wasn't very good, But then
Speaker 3: the people at your table are like, that was the
Speaker 3: best meal ever had, And then you're like, you know,
Speaker 3: it was pretty good. Maybe putting cannellini beans and ice
Speaker 3: cream wasn't disgusting. And that's why both parties put so
Speaker 3: much effort into spinning the debate results because it's effective.
Speaker 3: So let's get to the real debate, the one between
Speaker 3: the pundits. Starting with the Conservatives, they thought jd Vance
Speaker 3: did a great job, so they were very happy to
Speaker 3: spike the ball. It was quite obvious that jd Vance
Speaker 3: won the debate. To that, I'm incredibly proud of jd
Speaker 3: had a fantastic performance. The future of the Republican Party
Speaker 3: is jd Vance wiped the floor with two Walls. I
Speaker 3: don't think he could have done better under the circumstances.
Speaker 3: Ten out of ten for jd Vance. It was a masterclass.
Speaker 4: He looked humble, he looked earnest, sharp, twenty years younger
Speaker 4: than Walls.
Speaker 3: He looked beautiful tonight. Yeah, as a longtime political expert,
Speaker 3: my analysis on jd Vance your beautiful. You're beautiful. It's true.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it seemed like Jady Vance made his party
Speaker 3: proud last night. And I'm sure nobody was more proud
Speaker 3: than the big guy himself, Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Christ an interesting little side note. At ten two pm
Speaker 4: Eastern time, Donald Trump, this is in the middle of
Speaker 4: the debate, tweeted about the death of baseball great Pete Rose.
Speaker 3: The Great Pete Rose just died.
Speaker 5: He was one of the most magnificent baseball players ever
Speaker 5: to play the game. He paid the pro Major League
Speaker 5: Baseball should have allowed him into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 5: many years ago. Do it now, before his funeral.
Speaker 3: Do it before the funeral. You don't have to bring
Speaker 3: the body to the Hall of Fame to swear them in. Look,
Speaker 3: I want a rag on Trump. But this is why
Speaker 3: he's so relatable, even when it's his vice president. He
Speaker 3: can't watch the VP debate without looking at his phone, like,
Speaker 3: let me see what's on ESPN. Now that tweet may
Speaker 3: seem unrelated to the debate, but Pete Rose was a
Speaker 3: beloved figure who played for Cincinnati, which is in Ohio,
Speaker 3: which is next to several Swing states. So the calculus
Speaker 3: here is actually, I'm just kidding. He was bored as shit,
Speaker 3: all right. So and seeing this tweet, it must have
Speaker 3: been rough for JD. Vance. Think about it. It's like
Speaker 3: hitting a home run or your little league game and
Speaker 3: looking to the stands to see your dad's proud, smiling
Speaker 3: face and realizing he's at home tweeting about the death
Speaker 3: of Pete Rose. So that was the conservative reaction. On
Speaker 3: the liberal side, they kind of knew Tim Walls didn't
Speaker 3: crush it, so they were focused on subtly undermining jd
Speaker 3: Vance's performance. See if you can pick it up, one
Speaker 3: of these candidates is much slicker than the other. Jd
Speaker 3: Vance was very slick. He is much more apology slicked.
Speaker 6: I've never seen someone so slick and smooth and not
Speaker 6: directly answering questions.
Speaker 3: He talks a good game. You know, he was slick witted.
Speaker 7: He was good.
Speaker 1: I mean he was too slick, maybe a slick debater.
Speaker 3: He looked in shifty, he looked slick. Yes, he was slick, slick,
Speaker 3: slick slick. Thank god we have all these sharp political
Speaker 3: pundits to give us a broad array of opinions. They
Speaker 3: called him slick so much that I couldn't tell if
Speaker 3: Tim Walls was debating jd Vance or Moo dang. Now
Speaker 3: that's a wet hippo. I don't think that sentence has
Speaker 3: ever been said on late night television, wondering what they
Speaker 3: meant by slick slick, as liberals speak for, he was
Speaker 3: good and we're mad about it. It's such a backhead
Speaker 3: and compliment. If you look up slick in the dictionary,
Speaker 3: it says smart, but in a bad Italian American kind
Speaker 3: of way. Well, like, it doesn't really matter who the
Speaker 3: pundits think won the debate. The only thing that matters
Speaker 3: is whether the debate will have any effect on the election,
Speaker 3: and on that point, voters are answering with a resounding nope.
Speaker 3: In a new CBS News poll, forty two percent said
Speaker 3: Vance one versus forty one percent for Walls. The rest
Speaker 3: said it was a tie.
Speaker 8: Look at the CNN polling, it's very evenly split for
Speaker 8: Dvance fifty one percent and Walls forty nine percent.
Speaker 3: Great, the entire debate was pointless and irrelevant, So in
Speaker 3: a way, it really did prepare them to be vice president.
Speaker 3: For for more, for more on the debate, and it's fallout,
Speaker 3: we go live to the Spin Room with Troy Awada. Troy,
Speaker 3: can you give us a substantive analysis of the debate
Speaker 3: and what it revealed about the candidate's actual policies?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 9: No, nobody goes to the Spin Room to talk policy, Michael.
Speaker 9: That's like going to Coachella to hear music. We go
Speaker 9: for the drugs policy. Policy is so blurring. It's much
Speaker 9: more fun to talk about who won and who's the
Speaker 9: big dumb sucky loser who sucks?
Speaker 3: Okay, but how can you tell who won the debate?
Speaker 3: That it's so subjective. It's not like there's a points system.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there is my point system.
Speaker 1: Hey.
Speaker 9: I give candidates points based on their statements and presentation.
Speaker 9: It's an objective, dignified series of metrics that I call
Speaker 9: Troy's sucku Meter.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good name, Troy.
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, you can call your point system something dumb,
Speaker 9: like I don't know Michael's suckometer.
Speaker 3: Fine, okay, So how did the Troy Suckometer rate the candidates?
Speaker 9: Okay, well, let's start with general presentation. Tim Walls had
Speaker 9: such an honest, sincere look on his face that said
Speaker 9: America really needs this, and I found that desperate, so
Speaker 9: I docked him two points for being needy. And then
Speaker 9: on the other hand, jd. Vance had those like dreamy
Speaker 9: blue eyes. So that's plus five points, but they're almost
Speaker 9: like two blue right, It's like like if Chucky came
Speaker 9: to life and had a lot of opinions about a units,
Speaker 9: you know, so that's minus three.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, but what about their positions? I'm getting there.
Speaker 9: So at one point, Tim Walls was giving his position
Speaker 9: on climate change, and while he was droning on about that,
Speaker 9: I noticed something important his American flag pin. It had
Speaker 9: some dimension it like, it wasn't just a two D flag.
Speaker 9: It had a wave to it, a point of view,
Speaker 9: and I like that. So ten points. Oh and then
Speaker 9: I also I thought Jade Vance had a very compelling
Speaker 9: answer about how much Trump saved Obamacare, So plus ten
Speaker 9: for that as well.
Speaker 3: But no, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Trump tried
Speaker 3: to kill Obamacare. Jadie Vance was lying.
Speaker 9: Okay, fine, plus nine points whatever. Oh oh, okay, Norah and
Speaker 9: Margaret looked great up there, classy and demure. They get
Speaker 9: three points for that, but I'll store them with Wall
Speaker 9: since they don't have their own score.
Speaker 3: This is so, this is so incredibly unscientific. Are you done?
Speaker 3: I have one more.
Speaker 9: Walls had a really bad moment where he forgot what
Speaker 9: month he was in China thirty years ago, so that's
Speaker 9: minus two points. And then on the other hand, Jadie
Speaker 9: Vance supports the overthrow of the US government, so that's
Speaker 9: also minus two points.
Speaker 3: Nor those two can't be equal, Okay, I'm sure the
Speaker 3: Michael Suckometer will reflect that.
Speaker 9: Okay, but based on my objective analysis, the debate was
Speaker 9: a tie.
Speaker 3: You did this whole report and you didn't even talk
Speaker 3: about their stances on childcare, the war in the Middle East,
Speaker 3: LGBT issues, anything.
Speaker 9: Oh okay, sounds like you actually watched the debate and
Speaker 9: carefully analyzed it and everything. So that's minus ten billion
Speaker 9: points for you. I guess you lost the VP debate. Michael, No,
Speaker 9: I wasn't even in that debate.
Speaker 3: Try a lot, everybody.
Speaker 10: When we come back, we set a special correspond and
Speaker 10: spin room, so don't go away.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the vala show.
Speaker 3: After debate like the one last night, reporters and politicians
Speaker 3: gather into the spin room where they try to explain
Speaker 3: why their candidate one. It's a place of dignity and gravitas.
Speaker 3: So we sent over a special correspondent to a tent.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the twenty twenty four vice presidential debate. The
Speaker 7: debate between one man who thinks Trump is a mentally
Speaker 7: ill fascist psychopath and Tim Wattz.
Speaker 1: It's a great battle between JD.
Speaker 7: Vans and what he'd looked like after four years as
Speaker 7: Trump's vice president. Tonight marks the third debate of this
Speaker 7: election that Joe Biden will sleep through. And as you
Speaker 7: can see, the atmosphere in the spin room is electric.
Speaker 7: Hiet everyone. The debate is just about to start, and
Speaker 7: here in the spin room there's a palpable dead silence
Speaker 7: that one can only compare to the sound Millennia makes
Speaker 7: when Donald Trump is inside her.
Speaker 9: So there's an application called the CBP one app where
Speaker 9: you can go on as an illegal mic.
Speaker 1: So that's why the candidates have been quite civil, respectful
Speaker 1: to each other. Yes more all, Hey, you doing.
Speaker 3: What do you think? So hard?
Speaker 11: It's very substantive substance.
Speaker 7: I know, I'm want to turn to the show about
Speaker 7: the Menendez Broose guys have much more chemists too.
Speaker 9: For all of us here at CBS News, thank you
Speaker 9: and good night.
Speaker 7: A lot of people are reacting to the debate. Rachel
Speaker 7: Maddow said it was a slam dunk for the Democrats,
Speaker 7: but Mark Robinson said the video was so boring he
Speaker 7: couldn't even finish.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Illinois government JB. Pritzker.
Speaker 7: Everyone loves Tim Walls, right, He's so cute with his
Speaker 7: round face.
Speaker 1: He's like a cabbage patch of though, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: a guy who's got real heart.
Speaker 12: On the other side, you've got a guy who's, frankly,
Speaker 12: we're concerned might be eating.
Speaker 3: A dog Chark, and so I'm worried about you.
Speaker 7: You think you know what I was concerned about you.
Speaker 7: I have to be on for a second night.
Speaker 1: He looked at me like I was a chocolate de Claire.
Speaker 1: I swear to that, says tampon. Tim did oh? I
Speaker 1: remember he did in the boys room, in the bathroom.
Speaker 12: Why did he do that?
Speaker 1: Here's what really doesn't make no sense.
Speaker 7: If he's okay with putting tampons in a bathroom, what's
Speaker 7: his big problem with installing a couple of douchebags.
Speaker 1: In the White House?
Speaker 7: Problem with his legendary Seneca and former astronaut Mark Kelly
Speaker 7: As a former astronaut, do you have any plans to
Speaker 7: reveal the name of JD Vance's whole planet?
Speaker 3: You know that stuff's classified.
Speaker 5: If he just doesn't try to get caught up in
Speaker 5: the moment, it's a big moment.
Speaker 7: Something's funny over here. I smelled pills and cocaine. There
Speaker 7: we go.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to talk to him.
Speaker 7: Great Senator Katie brit whose post State of the Union
Speaker 7: speech last January is now considered a Halloween holiday class.
Speaker 1: Don how do you feel about JD.
Speaker 3: Vance?
Speaker 7: Is it hard to see your dad ignoring someone besides you?
Speaker 7: I guess none of these Republican spin bitches are going
Speaker 7: to talk to a liberal Daily Show dog, But I
Speaker 7: do know who they would talk to.
Speaker 1: Get all around. The Holkster's here. Who wants some spin
Speaker 1: from the Holkster?
Speaker 12: What you're gonna do when JD's mascara one's wild?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do when I ask for a lift home?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 1: How about some busfair?
Speaker 12: Brother? The Holster needs bus fair? Who's that behind me?
Speaker 12: Is that a Democrat? Oh yeah, Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 1: She's going down and protect them and day. Brother, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: I don't throw a punch at you right now, that
Speaker 1: missus your don't have a.
Speaker 12: Bo The Holkster's here to spin the debate for you.
Speaker 13: I've met Halkogan.
Speaker 3: You're not Halcoker.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, Jake Tapper.
Speaker 12: I didn't spend my career beating up immigrants to let
Speaker 12: that Kamala take over.
Speaker 1: Do people gotta understand? I know Kamala back.
Speaker 12: When she was Kamala the U gunned and giant triumph
Speaker 12: triumph to off. I'm not tryingph, I'm van joins here,
Speaker 12: Oh Van jos hi Van, I'm here to spend.
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Speaker 3: You're weeping?
Speaker 7: Was two men coming together with the inside their differences.
Speaker 1: And focusing on the shoes. Can't I can't hold it together?
Speaker 1: It was Zovio, Jake, that's not that is not how
Speaker 1: he cries. Who's got wet? And for me, mom, j
Speaker 1: Day's little mema?
Speaker 7: That's me I for the mema, djdvans.
Speaker 1: Oh, hi Jake, it's my ma me mem But it
Speaker 1: spelled my mom. Sorry did you make these? You Jewish
Speaker 1: people don't know how it's spelled.
Speaker 7: It's okay.
Speaker 3: Why don't you know what makes you think of Hwish things?
Speaker 1: Aren't that bad?
Speaker 7: Jake?
Speaker 1: You don't have to deny it. My boy, My little
Speaker 1: j Day is the American dream.
Speaker 8: He started out in rural Ohio, and now all the
Speaker 8: people he grew up with can turn on the TV
Speaker 8: and say, there's the oldtown boy who's gonna cut off
Speaker 8: my medicaid.
Speaker 7: Oment's there that I think Waltz sort of let slide
Speaker 7: and allowed dance.
Speaker 4: To Triumph didn't come over here, Triumph, you want to come.
Speaker 4: We're live on CNN by Triumph. This is Triumph the insult.
Speaker 4: So I don't know that you're miked.
Speaker 1: I miked and you're stuck with me.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna make fun of you de Vance's grandmother.
Speaker 3: But thank you the holster.
Speaker 7: How about the holster and the whole they says Trumph,
Speaker 7: signing off from the greatest vice president.
Speaker 1: Chose bight in the history for me?
Speaker 3: Poop POPA thank you for when we come back, Jelani Cobb,
Speaker 3: we'll be joining me on the show.
Speaker 11: Don't go away. Welcome back to the Daughter Show.
Speaker 3: My guest that I is the dean of the Columbia
Speaker 3: Journalism School and staff writer at The New Yorker who's
Speaker 3: featured in the new PBS documentary One Person, One Vote.
Speaker 3: Please welcome back, Jelani Cobb. All right, all right, all right,
Speaker 3: thank you for coming on, Thank you, thank you for
Speaker 3: coming on. The Electoral College. How did we get here? Well, okay,
Speaker 3: so most Americans cast their vote and they think it's
Speaker 3: for the president. Who are they actually voting for? Where
Speaker 3: we actually.
Speaker 13: Vote, they're actually voting for a slate of electors. Who
Speaker 13: are pledged to in turn vote for that particular candidate,
Speaker 13: and if your candidate wins that state, you will send
Speaker 13: a slate of electors who will be the people who
Speaker 13: are responsible for making sure that your person actually achieves
Speaker 13: the office that they have been elected to.
Speaker 3: Our audience just said, what the.
Speaker 13: We are the only place in the world that has
Speaker 13: the system. It doesn't make any sense. Nobody else around
Speaker 13: the world world understands it. Most of us in this
Speaker 13: country don't understand it. And so it's one of those
Speaker 13: kind of peculiarities of American politics.
Speaker 3: Why do we have it? What's one of the big
Speaker 3: reasons we have?
Speaker 13: So one of the reasons that we have, the really
Speaker 13: fundamental reason we have it, is to balance out the
Speaker 13: political power of large states in smaller states. Now that's
Speaker 13: a generic answer. The real answer is that it was
Speaker 13: a means by which slaveholders would be able to use
Speaker 13: the bodies of the people they were holding in slavery
Speaker 13: to count in the census in order to give them
Speaker 13: additional political power. Because the Constitution also has the three
Speaker 13: fifths clause, which allows them to count sixty percent of
Speaker 13: the enslaved population in eighteen sixty, that meant two point
Speaker 13: four million people who were enslaved were counted in the
Speaker 13: census when you determined how much congressional representation the South
Speaker 13: would have. Now, bear in mind, this is a country
Speaker 13: that owes its existence to a war fought over the
Speaker 13: idea of no taxation without representation. Slaves cannot vote, but
Speaker 13: the four million people who are enslaved in the South
Speaker 13: are counted in part as part of the political system
Speaker 13: that gives the authority to Southern voters.
Speaker 3: Is contradiction to soft of.
Speaker 13: A word, I think hypocrisy hytography.
Speaker 3: Watching the documentary, hearing you talk about it, I've vaguely
Speaker 3: remembered some of this, but man, is it powerful to relearn.
Speaker 3: And besides watching this, how can we relearn this stuff?
Speaker 3: How should we be approaching voting knowing this? So?
Speaker 13: I mean, one, we should be educated about this. There's
Speaker 13: a lot of literature on it. I mean, it sounds
Speaker 13: not that interesting, but when you actually look at the
Speaker 13: way that the story plays out, it becomes immensely interesting.
Speaker 13: Direct the biggest political conflicts that we've had in this
Speaker 13: country's history have been around the electoral college, some of them.
Speaker 13: Certainly it factors into the politics that lead to the
Speaker 13: Civil War, it factors into the explosive election of eighteen
Speaker 13: seventy six. Many of us are old enough to remember
Speaker 13: all the conflict of the election of two thousand. We
Speaker 13: saw that electoral college popular vote split in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 13: and all the attention that we got out of that,
Speaker 13: And so it really is even though it sounds abstract
Speaker 13: and complicated and kind of ridiculous, it really is something
Speaker 13: that has the potential to affect your lives every time
Speaker 13: you go into the ballot booth and cast that ballot.
Speaker 3: I think the movie did a great job at making
Speaker 3: me feel like history was affecting me today. Sure, what
Speaker 3: are the barriers to changing the electoral college? Why don't
Speaker 3: we or can't we just have a national popular vote?
Speaker 13: Well, there's an attempt to have a national popular vote solve.
Speaker 3: All of our problems right now. Yeah, I realized this's
Speaker 3: a big burden to put on you. But you know
Speaker 3: more about it than me and everyone else. I'm you're here.
Speaker 13: There are much smaller political problems that we have not
Speaker 13: summoned the will to address, or it's just say, much
Speaker 13: more direct and kind of fundamental problems. We haven't summoned
Speaker 13: the will to address those things. And so with the
Speaker 13: electoral college, one of the big barriers is explaining to
Speaker 13: people why we need to do something about it, because
Speaker 13: we say, oh, well, this goes back to seventeen eighty seven,
Speaker 13: and we've had the same system and we've done pretty
Speaker 13: well in the world since then, and so why would
Speaker 13: we change, as opposed to saying we might need to
Speaker 13: avert a potential catastrophe on the horizon because this system
Speaker 13: has never really served us well.
Speaker 3: The more we know about this country and our government,
Speaker 3: the better. Rightly the history absolutely right, Okay, good, just
Speaker 3: I wanted every teacher to hear that, every kid who's
Speaker 3: like I don't want to go to Civics. I was
Speaker 3: talking to you backstage, but I was actually watching this
Speaker 3: and reading more about it. I was actually kind of
Speaker 3: proud that growing up in an Oarburmissions and I had
Speaker 3: some understanding of this. But man, we should all have
Speaker 3: way more understanding of that.
Speaker 13: We should, I mean, because we talked about this. I
Speaker 13: grew up in New York. Yeah, I went to New
Speaker 13: York City public schools. I got an excellent education, but
Speaker 13: we did not get, you know, the particular political implications
Speaker 13: of the electoral college we weren't taught that. We certainly
Speaker 13: were not taught that this was rooted in slavery, right
Speaker 13: in an attempt to use slaves for political leverage. Yeah,
Speaker 13: and so those are things that if I didn't know it,
Speaker 13: and many other people didn't know it, it makes it
Speaker 13: that much difficult, more difficult for us to understand why
Speaker 13: it's important.
Speaker 3: Now and it's and it's important to understand that. Because
Speaker 3: it's easy, it makes it easier to make it effect change.
Speaker 3: If that's one of the foundations for this, I think
Speaker 3: we all can agree we should be changing that. Let's
Speaker 3: switch gears. You're the dean of the Columbia Journalism School.
Speaker 3: What is the average American not understand about news? Trustworthy news?
Speaker 3: Trustworthy journalism?
Speaker 13: I think that because people don't understand the process and
Speaker 13: the methodology of reporting in journalism, it's easy to believe
Speaker 13: that we just kind of go back to our cubicles
Speaker 13: and make stuff up, or that we walk into the
Speaker 13: room and we say, like, uh, who do we do
Speaker 13: we want to win the debate? Well, we decide to
Speaker 13: advance one the debate. Okay, that's what we're going to
Speaker 13: go with. But really there's a lot of work that
Speaker 13: goes into everything that we do. That it requires a
Speaker 13: great deal of skill and craft to be able to
Speaker 13: go into an environment that you may or may not
Speaker 13: be familiar with, to find out what's going on, to
Speaker 13: interview people who may be reluctant to talk to you,
Speaker 13: to get facts, and then turn those facts into something
Speaker 13: that people can consume. You have editors, you have fact checkers,
Speaker 13: you have copy editors. That we really do work very
Speaker 13: hard at producing the information that we have and that
Speaker 13: there is a difference between the information that you can
Speaker 13: get from a vetted, qualified source and what you may
Speaker 13: get from just a random guy's YouTube station.
Speaker 3: And so you know, you've got a lot of YouTubers
Speaker 3: in the audience. No offense, you know, I would assume,
Speaker 3: because this is how it works with jokes on a
Speaker 3: comedy show, is that if some you sometimes go down
Speaker 3: a path and if things aren't checking out, you can't
Speaker 3: write the story. Yep, that's also part of it. That's
Speaker 3: absolutely killing stories.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's not a one to one ratio between and
Speaker 13: that's one of the reasons why reporting and journalism is
Speaker 13: so expensive. You can spend three months on a story
Speaker 13: and then come to conclusion that there's nothing there. Now
Speaker 13: you have learned something. So you know, I know people
Speaker 13: who have done stories where they thought that an elected
Speaker 13: official was corrupt and you spend a whole lot of
Speaker 13: time and then you say, no, no, guys, not corrupt.
Speaker 13: You can't do a story saying news flash, you know,
Speaker 13: Congressman Johnson is not on the take. You know, that's
Speaker 13: not a news story, but it is important information that
Speaker 13: you've learned, you know, in the course of doing that.
Speaker 13: And so you keep doing that, and who knows what
Speaker 13: the ratio is for, you know, when you get to
Speaker 13: an actual story.
Speaker 3: So what do you tell your students who a lot
Speaker 3: of people, especially young people, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: are getting their news from YouTube, are getting their news
Speaker 3: from TikTok. This is not These aren't vetted sources. These
Speaker 3: aren't fact I mean, what do you tell them to?
Speaker 3: Where do they where should they get their news?
Speaker 13: Well, I mean I think that it's healthy to have
Speaker 13: a really kind of diversified news diet, you know, and
Speaker 13: if you.
Speaker 3: Were like that, yeah, versified news diet, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13: So you want to I have another one, say news organizations.
Speaker 13: We have a health food store surrounded by fast food joints. Correct,
Speaker 13: you know, and we're trying to actually get people to
Speaker 13: have the more healthy diet. Now, you can certainly go
Speaker 13: to your YouTube guy for opinion, right, Oh, you can
Speaker 13: go to these other places, but we should also say that,
Speaker 13: you know, maybe you go to you know, a public
Speaker 13: news station, Maybe you go to a nonprofit news outlet.
Speaker 13: Maybe you go to a legacy organization. Uh, maybe you
Speaker 13: go to some podcasts. You got to mix these things up,
Speaker 13: and you should be taking in information from lots of
Speaker 13: different places and coming to your own conclusion.
Speaker 3: I love the analogy of a diet of we have
Speaker 3: health food, we have junk food, we have healthy news,
Speaker 3: we have junk news. But the problem is this country
Speaker 3: and its diet. Yeah, so I'm worried that people. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I scroll on TikTok and I feel my brain begin
Speaker 3: to rot. And then I choose to read an article
Speaker 3: in New Yorker and I feel my brain, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to absorb more information. So I know what's good
Speaker 3: for me. But am I doing it well? The other part?
Speaker 3: Am I doing it?
Speaker 8: Joel?
Speaker 3: No, it's like it's hard, it's harder to do the
Speaker 3: right thing.
Speaker 13: It is, but also I think it's important for us
Speaker 13: to be on TikTok too. You know, maybe like that,
Speaker 13: maybe we bring health food to your door, so you know,
Speaker 13: we meet you where you are.
Speaker 3: What is good in the news right now, not necessarily
Speaker 3: the stories, but in the idea of journalism and news.
Speaker 3: What is a positive that you see?
Speaker 13: You know, a real positive is that we have lots
Speaker 13: of people who each day, despite all the difficulties, despite
Speaker 13: all the discouragement, and you know, even some of the distrust,
Speaker 13: we have people who every day wake up and go
Speaker 13: out and report. And we have a dedicated core of
Speaker 13: journalists in this country, people who even believe that the
Speaker 13: public's perception, the public being informed is more important than
Speaker 13: their own safety. And that's something that I never take
Speaker 13: for granted.
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