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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with Max

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Speaker 2: Clark of Cutworms.

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Speaker 3: I'm just playing lo wey, I'm just playing lone with you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Nora. Thanks for joining us with me, as

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Speaker 2: always is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 4: Hi there.

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Speaker 5: Our guest today is the incredibly talented singer, songwriter, guitar player,

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Speaker 5: and illustrator. Oh yeah, Max Clark of cut Worms. That's

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Speaker 5: the band name, Cutworms. What does it conjure? I like

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Speaker 5: saying that I'm a huge fan of his. His music

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Speaker 5: is amazing. You should check it out. He also has

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Speaker 5: a new album out. Yeah. Not only do you get

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Speaker 5: to hear his beautiful new music, but there's also a

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Speaker 5: very special duet in this episode that I think you

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Speaker 5: will love. If you like harms, I'm like, what is it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did it Arms.

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Speaker 2: This is a harm harm heavy, harm heavy episode. Harmony heavy. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we hope you enjoyed this episode with Max Clark.

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Speaker 7: I've got worm.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this at all, but

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with one of your songs.

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Speaker 5: Oh and it happened.

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Speaker 8: A couple of years ago that you had covered it,

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Speaker 8: and that was like a shock to me. I really

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Speaker 8: just like woke up one morning and yeah, it was

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Speaker 8: like I don't know who.

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Speaker 9: Somebody pointed it out to me.

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Speaker 2: I did it on this live stream I was doing

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Speaker 2: during the pandemic, Like every week I would do four songs,

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Speaker 2: so this song was on. It was on like a

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Speaker 2: bunch of playlists that my husband had going, and it

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Speaker 2: kept showing up and every single time. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you listened to a streaming.

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Speaker 9: Platform, yeah, I listened to a few.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like they make these playlists for you, there's

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Speaker 2: often so many songs that I like, And I asked

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Speaker 2: him every time who it was.

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Speaker 10: Oh, it's cutworm, So I was like, I love it.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, the song keeps coming back and

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Speaker 2: you always forget who it is because or I do,

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Speaker 2: because there's just so many different people on these playlists, right,

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Speaker 2: and then finally I like stole it and I put

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Speaker 2: it on this morning playlist that I made, and we

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Speaker 2: listened to it every morning during that time when we

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Speaker 2: were home every day. Oh wow, And not only is

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Speaker 2: it an amazing song, but my kids, who are seven

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Speaker 2: and nine, every time it comes on now and it

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Speaker 2: still comes up all the time. We still listen to

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Speaker 2: it all the time, and they always say how much

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Speaker 2: they love the song, and they say, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this song is so nostalgic for me. They use that

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Speaker 2: word because it brings them back to that time when

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Speaker 2: we were just all together every day and we were

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Speaker 2: listening to this song.

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Speaker 9: Oh' that's really nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this song will stay with my kids for

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Speaker 2: their whole lives. So I covered it, and I was wondering.

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Speaker 9: I thought it was great if we could do it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Where did this song is on an album from.

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Speaker 9: It was among a bunch of demos I did home

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Speaker 9: demo before I was signed to a label, and it

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Speaker 9: ended up going on the first EP that they put

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Speaker 9: out on jag Jaguar, and I recorded it. I started

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Speaker 9: recording it in Chicago and then we moved to New

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Speaker 9: York and like finished it here. I mean, it's kind

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Speaker 9: of sort of thing that I had done before I

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Speaker 9: started writing it. I remember, like the day that lou

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Speaker 9: Reid died. It was tentatively titled Sunday's Morning, like like

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Speaker 9: m O you are and I.

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Speaker 8: Don't know, it's kind of dumb, but the lyrics I

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Speaker 8: didn't wasn't really sure where it was going, and then

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Speaker 8: I was I had been reading a Season in Hell

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Speaker 8: that Arthur Rimbo. It's like the rock and roll poet

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Speaker 8: you know, Patty Smith and Bob Dylan are all like

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Speaker 8: I heard about him through them, like reading them. And

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Speaker 8: so yeah, there's actually a poem in that book called

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Speaker 8: Song of the Highest Tower, which I partially just took

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Speaker 8: a couple like stanzas from and then and like the

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Speaker 8: choruses basically are like weirdly just fit right into the

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Speaker 8: that much. I just like did it or that's the

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Speaker 8: best way. Yeah, I mean afterwards I was like, am

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Speaker 8: I allowed to?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: What you do with all that? I mean, no one's

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Speaker 9: come to sue me yet, but I mean it's it's

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Speaker 9: like eighteenth century French poetry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I during the pandemic. The words,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the words are just so. I mean when

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Speaker 2: I think back to that time, I remember driving the

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Speaker 2: car once and just getting some fresh air and listening

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Speaker 2: to this song and just with a friend of mine

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Speaker 2: who we were quarantined with, and it was just like

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Speaker 2: we were just both kind of sobbing but also like laughing.

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Speaker 2: It just felt so good, and it's like the perfect

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Speaker 2: encapsulation of that melancholy feeling where you feel good and

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Speaker 2: sad to me. Sorry to talk about stuff before you

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Speaker 2: play it.

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Speaker 10: I mean we should just play it, stop talking about it,

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Speaker 10: and be about it.

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Speaker 4: I've impatient to know.

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Speaker 11: Momories, all fears and all run.

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Speaker 4: To the heavens a fly.

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Speaker 12: With the feace.

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Speaker 4: Bursting rime, while my veins burns.

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Speaker 11: Uncome filthy flies and the sickly.

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Speaker 13: First may come the time of love, the time we

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Speaker 13: would be bena.

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Speaker 4: Have with it for two long.

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Speaker 1: Logan, I've done nothing wrong, clean, don't feel bad, but

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Speaker 1: be free.

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Speaker 7: Many days I've.

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Speaker 4: Spent many times I've tried.

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Speaker 11: You give a name to the thing that is you,

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Speaker 11: though no I haven't the right looking all the reasons

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Speaker 11: I've been on adviser argy drifted on like so many floats,

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Speaker 11: and so Sensusporade.

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Speaker 4: Made come the time.

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Speaker 13: Flow, the time would be in amerder.

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Speaker 14: Have waited for tu loved in that do nothing wrong,

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Speaker 14: don't be a.

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Speaker 12: Bad but diffree.

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Speaker 4: Know this misplaced fat. It's like a charm or a spell.

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Speaker 11: Let.

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Speaker 4: You know, it makes you feel so fun while it

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Speaker 4: pleas ways to your head. Everyone else see everywhere that

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Speaker 4: I'll go. But I know it's just how you feel.

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Speaker 7: It's not.

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Speaker 9: What you know.

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Speaker 15: Man, Come the time love time, we would be in name.

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Speaker 6: But I.

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Speaker 11: Fortune lord and love done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: Flee Just don't feel bad.

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Speaker 6: Be free.

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Speaker 16: All the feeling that is gone. Oh sense it has loved, take.

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Speaker 4: Leave and gone.

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Speaker 11: Abroad to other worlds while he slept. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 11: much dam friends, it would be quite the same. Only

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Speaker 11: believe you can possibly dream of.

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Speaker 4: No one to blame.

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Speaker 15: Man. Come the time of love time, we would be nam.

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Speaker 4: I have played it for two long nothing wrong. Don't

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Speaker 4: move that.

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Speaker 6: Beefly.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because when I recorded this song, I mean

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Speaker 2: when I played it for that live stream, I think

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Speaker 2: I felt more exposed than I've ever felt.

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Speaker 17: Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I was covering a song by someone

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Speaker 2: that you always feel a little bit like you don't

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Speaker 2: own it, you know, And I think you have to

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Speaker 2: own it to cover it. Yeah, and I did it

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Speaker 2: on piano. I don't think I did it on guitar

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Speaker 2: and it's such a strummy song. And then I got

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Speaker 2: to like the fourth or fifth verse, and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 2: this is a long song for me to carry so

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Speaker 2: but I mean it was great because the lyrics are

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Speaker 2: so great, but it is a long song.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks, I mean it goes on and on. It's

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Speaker 8: like I kind of ran into the thing on my

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Speaker 8: last record. I was just writing too many, like really

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Speaker 8: long songs. So for on this most recent one and

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Speaker 8: try to go the other way with it, write some back,

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Speaker 8: get back to the shorter, short and sweet ones.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great to have a long song. I

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Speaker 2: think it's hard. It's hard to write a long song

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Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, I'm really bad with lyrics. You must

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Speaker 2: just write a lot of lyrics. There are a lot

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Speaker 2: of story songs.

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess I once I

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Speaker 8: get into to the writing thing, I'll sometimes it takes

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Speaker 8: if I get on a roll or whatever, then I'm

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Speaker 8: then I'd start getting precious and don't want to cut

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Speaker 2: I kind of think it's your world that you're painting,

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Speaker 2: so people love it. Sometimes I think songs are too

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Speaker 11: One.

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Speaker 2: Part of what was so satisfying for me about the

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Speaker 2: could wallow in it, you know, yeah, which felt really good,

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Speaker 2: and usually when it was done, I played it again.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when it's really short it, you know, it's less satisfying.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's like the right around that same time,

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Speaker 8: Bob Dylan came out with that Murder Muse Foul, that

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Speaker 8: like sixteen minute one. I remember that, Yeah, And I

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Speaker 8: kind of feel the same way about that one, where

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Speaker 8: it's like it is so long that you just kind

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Speaker 8: of like live in it. But even even though it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're used to it by the right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like a long run.

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Speaker 8: It's really nice here in the I mean, you're such

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Speaker 8: a really great piano player getting those like accents and

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Speaker 9: It's really nice.

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Speaker 2: I liked it how the guitar just sort of plays

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Speaker 2: over the whole thing on the recording, So it's fun

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Speaker 2: to do that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, good chords. Where are you from? Originally from Cleveland,

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Speaker 9: Ohio or really suburbs?

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Speaker 2: How long have you been in New York.

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Speaker 8: Eight and a half years. It'll be I think it'll

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Speaker 8: be nine years. We moved here on Halloween, so on Halloween,

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Speaker 8: it'll be nine years, I think, which is crazy.

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Speaker 10: That's a fun day to move to the city.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, it's I mean, time flies here. It's

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Speaker 8: like I know that that whole thing of like the

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Speaker 8: New York minute or whatever is true.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. It's yeah, it goes by fast.

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Speaker 2: But do you love it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: It's great.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's kind of one of those things where

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Speaker 8: it's like we've talked about maybe moving up state, my

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool art school like visual art school.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that guy.

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Speaker 10: He's a classic music criticis he's one of the.

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Speaker 9: I would say, yeah, music that nice, So that was cool.

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Speaker 9: It's self titled, so just Cutworms.

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Speaker 9: Thanks. Some people don't think so. I mean, I think

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Speaker 10: I think it brings up imagery of an actual cutworm.

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Speaker 10: We should do one of the tunes from the new record.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, which one I like?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love the whole new record. It's so great.

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Speaker 2: But thank you, let's try Can we try too bad?

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Speaker 2: This one's really good. It makes me feel so good.

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Speaker 8: This one sort of felt somewhat in the same realm

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Speaker 10: I think I think I kind of felt that can

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Speaker 9: Please?

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Speaker 18: Say, just would always stand to lose when at last

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Speaker 4: Too bad. We never see him at all the rock.

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Speaker 17: Time hearts mountains cold and slow.

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Speaker 4: I wanted out.

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Speaker 19: Touch and my comes face is black.

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Speaker 7: And the Mappa have.

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Speaker 4: We never see it at all the wrong time.

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Speaker 4: Never not list to.

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Speaker 4: Too bad. We never see.

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Speaker 9: That was great, that felt good, that sounded.

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Speaker 10: Great, that was fun to play.

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Speaker 10: When did you start playing?

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Speaker 10: You just taught yourself iron Man?

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Speaker 10: When did you finally get some strength?

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Speaker 9: Well shortly thereafter.

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Speaker 8: And then my my uncle's on my dad's side both

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Speaker 9: Would go visit down there down in Oklahoma, oaky country.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so they kind of like wrote me out basic

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I mean, reading music is great,

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I mean I mainly now it's like I've

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Speaker 8: I really wish that I could play like jazz piano,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can always learn, yeah, but do Do

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Speaker 8: I usually don't have access to a piano, but I

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately, it's just really hard to get access to, like

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's true, it's hard. It's hard to have a.

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Speaker 2: Piano in the city.

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Speaker 2: I feel like switching instruments to write is a really

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Speaker 9: Definitely.

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Speaker 9: I'm definitely not as good on piano as I am

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Speaker 2: It's such a different way to look at well, you

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Speaker 9: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, well you do you come from

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Speaker 2: They are?

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Speaker 9: I mean that's like really cool to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Blue Note is such a cool jazz

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Speaker 2: But you know, I don't feel like there's a lot

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Speaker 6: Right yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, you can definitely hear the jazz, and

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Speaker 9: I like that me too.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think I come from listening to country

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you actually have a song on your new record

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Speaker 2: I mean there's such a relation between jazz and just

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Speaker 2: old timey pop. What am I saying? You know what

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's like a relation between jazz and old It all.

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Speaker 9: Kind of came from the same place, you know.

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Speaker 8: I see pop, the current modern pop song as like

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some chords in this song, isn't magic

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Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, what is that? There's a

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 9: It might take me a minute, yeah, once.

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Speaker 2: I hear what you're doing, because I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I mean I kind of had to like

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Speaker 2: But what doesn't matter. I'll follow you. You recorded this

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Speaker 8: This one I actually did all on my own home recorded, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Do you do a lot of that home sort of

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's kind of I feel like doing

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Speaker 2: But that's so fun. Yeah, when you do a bunch

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like instant gratification being able to just layer

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Speaker 10: But I wish I didn't wear that.

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Speaker 2: I've never been very techy, I know that, Like at

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Speaker 8: I love like old tape machines and stuff, but I'm

456
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 8: just like not technically minded at Also, if it breaks,

457
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 8: I'll just get really frustrated and.

458
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 10: Like always break right, I'll tell you, that's what I hear.

459
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I own a tape an old tape machine and

460
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: it's in storage. Yeah, but they're great if you have

461
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: someone to fix them on the spot. All right, this

462
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: is isn't magic. I almost wanted to do like a.

463
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 9: That's cool.

464
00:30:53,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I hear that on it.

465
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: I love him to.

466
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 7: He been all calls.

467
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: I have to all that we've been through. Now nothing

468
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: is lost.

469
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 21: Doesn't anybody have the time?

470
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: I lostn't it?

471
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 7: But if you don't know any.

472
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: Man, could I make you billy.

473
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 15: Miss magent fee Len, I'm head.

474
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 6: Through?

475
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 22: Oh love for you?

476
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 7: I had love.

477
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: It's gone be true without it?

478
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Now the changes about me all over again?

479
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 21: Doesn't any body at the time? Oh doesn't any body say?

480
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: If you don't know.

481
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 21: Now, then.

482
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: I could I make you busy.

483
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 15: In this mass chick fee? Then I'm heaving.

484
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 7: Not through?

485
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: Oh Loo for you?

486
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 9: That's not great?

487
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: That was fine?

488
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 6: You're right.

489
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: Jazz, that's jazz. Yeah, straight up, that's a great one.

490
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 10: Those harmonies are they got me.

491
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: They're great.

492
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 8: I was trying to do like Brian Wilson meets late

493
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 8: era Bob Dylan doing the Frank Sinatra tunes.

494
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: Totally that makes sense. Do you love Brian Wilson?

495
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 12: I do.

496
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

497
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 9: It's one of my one of my very favorites.

498
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 10: It's pretty deep. All that stuff.

499
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thick with the harmonies are so complex that

500
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: you think, whoa, this is really heady, but then it's

501
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: really hearty. It's the best of combinations. Where does your

502
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: love of harmonies come in? Because I can hear it

503
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: in everything you write, I mean everything recorded.

504
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 9: Anyway, I've always liked that stuff.

505
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 8: The Everly Brothers were like a revelation to me when

506
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 8: I when I first heard that, because I was already

507
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 8: so into the Beatles, and then I realized that, like

508
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 8: that's where they got that from. Ye, that that aspect

509
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 8: of the close harmonies and stuff. I mean, they did

510
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: more on top of it, some of the early stuff

511
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 8: like they were They've said that they just were trying

512
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 8: to be the Everly Brothers.

513
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: At the point.

514
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, at some point, just like in doing the

515
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 9: home recording stuff and overdubbing vocals, I realized that I

516
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 9: could kind of do that. Another person who I really

517
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 9: love is a Skeeter Davis, which shell they started off.

518
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 9: It was her and her sister similar to Everly Brothers,

519
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 9: like doing close harmonies, and then I think her sister

520
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 9: very early on died in a car accident or something.

521
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 9: But then Skeeter Davis went on to have like a

522
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 9: career in pop music in the in the sixties and

523
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 9: seventies and stuff. But then but she just.

524
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 8: She had all that like knowledge of harmony, so she

525
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 8: harmonized with her self with overdubs, which I felt like,

526
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 8: I don't know somehow it can to what I like.

527
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 8: I mean, she she's like incredible like her, I always

528
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 8: i'm jealous of, like the female voice. They can go

529
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 8: so high, like like on that Carol King demo. I

530
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 8: sent you something about those close harmonies when it's like

531
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 8: in that higher register as like next level to me.

532
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: When it's close and high, it's pretty special. Yeah, but

533
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: the Everly Brothers had that too good. They had such.

534
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 9: High voices, right, Yeah, they could pull it off too.

535
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely hear that in your music. You know,

536
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: it's it's got the flavor of all that. I mean,

537
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: can tell you love those those close harmonies.

538
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 12: Yeah.

539
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 8: The best that it gets, I feel like, is when

540
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 8: you can't like tell them apart sort of, or you

541
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 8: can't pull them apart in your mind. It's like you

542
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 8: can't listen to one or the other because you don't know.

543
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Which one's dominant, right, Yeah, that's what I like about that.

544
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Are you in a Gillian Walsh and David Rawlings at all?

545
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 12: Yeah?

546
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a lot of that close harmony stuff.

547
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: I used to tour with them and I would always

548
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: sing along backstage like the third harmony, but it doesn't work.

549
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 10: It's so not needed the third harmony because it's so

550
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 10: much cooler without it. Basically, it's the thing.

551
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: It's like got the disonance and it's just on the

552
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: cooler side without it.

553
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's weird to I mean, especially with

554
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 8: doing overdubs and stuff, the third harmonies there or the

555
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 8: fourth or the whatever. But then it's better to not

556
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 8: put it in sometimes.

557
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's way better and people I feel like people

558
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: still hear it in their brains. But yeah, it's the

559
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: space is the place sometimes you want to do that.

560
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Toune Carol King too.

561
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 9: I guess we can kind of do like the Everly's version.

562
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean that was the first version I

563
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 8: heard of it, but the Everly Brothers.

564
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: Version, but that's I've never heard that version of the

565
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: Carol King version. It's from a demos sort of. Yeah,

566
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: we're probably released later.

567
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so.

568
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm such a huge fan of hers. She's

569
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 8: like the best of the best in my book mine too.

570
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: And I don't even think I realized certain songs that

571
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: she wrote, Like I didn't know she wrote this song.

572
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 10: Oh no, yeah, I didn't even know.

573
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many, so many that.

574
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: My first song book was a Carol King song book,

575
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: and it was the first time I learned how to

576
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: record changes instead of just reading the notated notes.

577
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 10: Give that chat, yeah, I can get our chat on.

578
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: Will you take this the middle bit? Please?

579
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 10: Sure?

580
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 9: Please? Yeah? Yeah, here we go.

581
00:39:44,360 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: All right. Let you see my brok heart is hurting me.

582
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 15: I've got my pride and I knowed I had all

583
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 15: my sorrow and pain.

584
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: I'll do my crying.

585
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 7: In the rain.

586
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 22: You fall away for cloudys, Guys, you'll know the rain

587
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 22: from the tears in my eyes. You never know that

588
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 22: I still know your soul though the heartts remained. I'll

589
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 22: do my crying in the rain, rain drops fallen from

590
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 22: even I.

591
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 11: Could never shoe in my misery.

592
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 23: Since we're not together, I'll look for stormy where the univers.

593
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 4: Sunday and my cry and done. I'm going to wear

594
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 4: smile and walk in the sun.

595
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 22: Maybe a fool buntil then you never see complain.

596
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 4: I'll do my crying in the rain. I'll do my cry.

597
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 7: In the rain.

598
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 8: Cool, that's fine, Yeah, Leon, Yeah, I saw. I mean,

599
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 8: I know that you've done. You must be a fan

600
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 8: because he did that whole thing with Billy Joe Armstrong.

601
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: I did, and I was a fan, but that was

602
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: totally spearheaded by him. He really Yeah, he really wanted

603
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: to do the whole album, like could do a version

604
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: of that album, and I'm not sure. I'm still not

605
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: really sure exactly where it came from. I remember I

606
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: was like, let's just try a song and see how

607
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: it goes. He's like, okay, but that's.

608
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 10: Not really what I want to do. I want to

609
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 10: do the whole album.

610
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 9: And I was like, that's really imbicious and a lot

611
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 9: on there.

612
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

613
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I knew him from meeting him, and I

614
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: really liked him. He was super nice. But we'd never

615
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: sung together. And I didn't know how we were going

616
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: to blend, because that that's ambitious to do because it's a.

617
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 10: Blend for sure, their blend is so special.

618
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: But we ended up doing it. Was it was blast

619
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: and I love how it came out. It's very different

620
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: from their original records, so it's it was fun, but

621
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: that was all him. But I do love them. I

622
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: mean I grew up on them completely. Like most people did,

623
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: you just always sing like grown up? Did you go

624
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: to church or anything?

625
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 6: We didn't.

626
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 9: I mean we went to church on like holidays sometimes,

627
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 9: you know.

628
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: We weren't in church choir or anything.

629
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: Nah.

630
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 8: I maybe sang just from by myself in secret, but no,

631
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 8: I was always pretty like shy about that in most things.

632
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 8: And I mean I'm still pretty like I was never

633
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 8: like a natural performer. Really, I kind of like forced

634
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 8: myself like I wanted to be, but then I just

635
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 8: wasn't really So like in high school when I first

636
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 8: started playing open mics and stuff in Cleveland, I had

637
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 8: a good friend of mine who would come with me

638
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 8: and we'd drive forty five minutes away to like another town,

639
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 8: so I would have no chance of running into anyone

640
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 8: that I knew.

641
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: Were you able to put on a different persona could

642
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: sometimes people hide behind that as a way to be

643
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: more comfortable.

644
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 9: On stage, right, Yeah, I mean maybe to some extent.

645
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 9: I don't know, if it's nothing like it's not like

646
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 9: Bowie or anything. It's not like that. Obvious.

647
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: I always wanted to do that, and I feel like

648
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: my time, you know, it's too late now to start

649
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: it in my my career, people who would think it

650
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: was weird, but I wish I had had something like

651
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: that because I was also not a natural performer in

652
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: that way. I feel like the music was always good,

653
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: but as far as, like, you know, being charismatic on

654
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: the stage, it's hard.

655
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

656
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wish I had a wig from the beginning,

657
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: you know, like a pink wig or something. Yeah, let's

658
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: take us out on another favorite song of mine. I

659
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: love that sold my soul song. Oh yeah, sure, yeah,

660
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: that's a good one. When did you start playing? I mean,

661
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: obviously your your dad was like pretty massive. He was,

662
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: but I didn't grow up with him. Oh no, no,

663
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean we saw each other on and off, but

664
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 2: I never lived with him, and then when I was nine,

665
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: we were kind of a strange for another maybe nine

666
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: years after that, so we didn't even talk or see

667
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: each other. But I started playing piano when I was seven. Yeah,

668
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: I took piano lessons and I always sang in church choir. Okay, yeah,

669
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: but I didn't really see my dad play even until

670
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, Oh wow, and I was like, oh wow.

671
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: I knew he was like really good, but this is

672
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: a whole other level. It's also coming from jazz, and

673
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: it was just so different from anything. His music was

674
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: so complex in some ways but also super simple. But yeah,

675
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: church choir was big for me. So that's what I'm

676
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: always curious about if people grew up in the church

677
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: playing music, because I feel like that's a huge thing

678
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Speaker 2: for a lot of people.

679
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

680
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 8: I mean I know a lot of R and B

681
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 8: and soul artists that I loved, like you know, Sam

682
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 8: Cook or Marvin Gaye, like they all came out of

683
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 8: like gospel, and yeah, a lot of what I like

684
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 8: about it is stuff that comes from that. I never

685
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 8: really like knew that until later on. The church that

686
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 8: I went to wasn't really like the church that they

687
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 8: went to.

688
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the same here. It wasn't a

689
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: gospel church. What I still sang in it, and that

690
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: that was helpful.

691
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 9: I did always like the like the organ music and stuff.

692
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: Though, yeah, it's special.

693
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 10: I feel like growing up with music in that way

694
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 10: it makes it.

695
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: It takes all the thinking out of.

696
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 10: It because it's focused on worshiping God.

697
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's focused on this one other thing that's

698
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: pretty big, Like there's no like songwriting analysis, so it

699
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: goes to those songs, but they come from the heart,

700
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: which is also much nicer sometimes or not. I told Sarah,

701
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: I gotta check out the new album, but tell them

702
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: I want to do the anti croad Show song. I

703
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: don't think I realized that it wasn't called that.

704
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I mean I could have called it that,

705
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 9: but no.

706
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 10: I'm glad you didn't want to solve my.

707
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 9: Soul full on the commercial.

708
00:46:49,760 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 10: So my soul is much deeper.

709
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 4: For somebody had found it somewhere.

710
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 11: I had an old free market fair with no old

711
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 11: number on the tail. Let it go for half a dollar. Now,

712
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 11: that didn't even bother had it of been side that.

713
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 11: I was drink and gasoline in a half ride fmousine,

714
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 11: watching TV.

715
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 7: And the band.

716
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: When much too much surprise, I didn't chill fire. They

717
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: had a hard time.

718
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 11: I saw mysel somewhere so long ago. Oh, I didn't

719
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 11: think too much at the time.

720
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: I was young, and I didn't.

721
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 11: Know until Outside played one night on the eighteenth road

722
00:48:43,120 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 11: Show Expert Collectors to praise with the trip that I

723
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 11: was on, like a rewrite math of blue Days and

724
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 11: bland Nights where the Marbro lane just plays for the

725
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 11: Menli bird to pray.

726
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: Me the last head burning bright.

727
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 11: I saw on display like imitation fabrigae able by the

728
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 11: mid life. Then the signal came on through like a

729
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 11: bad dream come true.

730
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 6: Leaves.

731
00:49:53,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 11: You had a loss for word so much, so somewhere

732
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 11: so long ago.

733
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't think too much chat the time.

734
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 23: I was young, and I didn't know until I side

735
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 23: late one night on.

736
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 4: The Ante Road Show, just to see what I could raise.

737
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 11: Hello, commercial gray fit for the wall Stream train, swimming

738
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 11: with the price a goal commemoration baseball come courtesy of Scottland.

739
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 24: You you dug up from the days of old ring

740
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 24: model cathedral class and written leaves the grass in certified

741
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 24: and guarantee.

742
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 11: Well they're throwing it all away, they get it back

743
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 11: some day. Ages could never see.

744
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 4: What it could mean to me.

745
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 11: I saw mysel somewhere so long ago.

746
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 23: I had anything too much chapter time. I was young

747
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 23: and I didn't know. Hi side laid one night on

748
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 23: the eighteen Roll Show looking into my old grave. Ye,

749
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 23: So what's it gonna be? You're on a pace, Tom,

750
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 23: could it help the pain?

751
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: Can you tell me so? Because I like to know.

752
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 7: If you have been in.

753
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 4: Five Nis.

754
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 11: For even half his love, if your intention spell love?

755
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: Can you tell me so because a look, if you

756
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: have been in.

757
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 9: Yay, you got it?

758
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 17: Awesome, it's great.

759
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you. I love the piano you were doing

760
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 8: on the is It Magic song? I wish I wish

761
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 8: I could have had you play on the record.

762
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: Maybe we can catch up at a show sometimes. Of

763
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: course it'll have to be a piano there. That's always

764
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: the trick, right right now? What kind of band do

765
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: you tour with? Is it always changing or no?

766
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 8: It's been the same guys for a number of years.

767
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 8: Now it's like a four piece. It was a four

768
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 8: piece and now it's kind of become a five piece.

769
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 8: It's like drums, bass, I play guitar, keys, pedal steel.

770
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 9: That's a big recent edition.

771
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, does everybody Pedal steel is an addiction. I have

772
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: a pedal steel player with me this summer. I had

773
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: him last summer, Dan and I need. He's a local guy.

774
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 9: Okay, I know that name.

775
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's around, he's in Brooklyn. Yeah, it is an addiction, Like,

776
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: can you play pedal steel on every song. He said,

777
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: let me just space it out because he plays great

778
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: regular guitar. So yeah, we space it out, but I

779
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: could have it on every song.

780
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 10: That's a big band, though. Does everybody sing harmonies?

781
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 9: I sometimes get them all to sing. Yeah.

782
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 8: I mean the keyboard player John Andrews, he's he's got

783
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 8: his own whole solo thing that's really great called the Yawns.

784
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 9: And so we toured together.

785
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 8: It's like his band in my band, and there's just

786
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 8: the same band, the different front person.

787
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

788
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've seen that before, so it's the best way

789
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 10: to do it.

790
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 12: Yeah.

791
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 9: Definitely makes the changeover between sets very easy.

792
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, financially it's easier.

793
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: Are you going to be on tour all summer? Pretty much?

794
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 6: Sure?

795
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 8: I'm in the fall is when I'll I'll go out.

796
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 8: I do have a residency thing planned for July, like

797
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 8: when the it'll end in like the record release party.

798
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 8: So I'm doing like three fridays at this place, Union Pool.

799
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 9: Oh great, So that should be fun.

800
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Speaker 8: I'm trying to get some like special guests and make

801
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 8: it fun.

802
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: It's a party.

803
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

804
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: Last time I was at Union Pool, I danced in

805
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 2: the front to a DJ.

806
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 10: There were only four of us there.

807
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: I danced like I've never danced before.

808
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 9: That's great. Yeah, those are good nights.

809
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are good nights. I've had some good nights there.

810
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing this. I love song that,

811
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: I like you likewise, and I love meeting you finally

812
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: after listening.

813
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 10: For so long.

814
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean yeah, I've You've your songs and everything

815
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 8: have been pretty big in the my consciousness for it

816
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 8: since I was a lot younger, so it was really

817
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 8: real honor to do it.

818
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 9: Thank you.

819
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,479
Speaker 2: Well, I'll see you around and I'll come to a gig.

820
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, that'd be great.

821
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you for listening.

822
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 5: What a sweet, down to earth guy. I love him.

823
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: He's so great. I love his songs. I love his voice. Yeah,

824
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: he's special.

825
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 5: He's a deep lyricist too. His songs are very earnest

826
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 5: and kind of take you on a journey.

827
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Speaker 7: Well, I like that.

828
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: We talked about the long song thing because I really

829
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: do feel like if it's that kind of a song

830
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: and it holds the mood, you just want to be

831
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: in that mood for a long time, right, and it.

832
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 5: Doesn't feel long, no at all.

833
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: It was. It was really special to finally get to

834
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: meet him and play that song with him that I've

835
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: been It's been in my brain for four years.

836
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: It's been your favorite song for a long time.

837
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: It's really one of my favorites. Check it out.

838
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 5: Check out his new album it's called Cutworms It is.

839
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: That's right. It's self titled titled Yeah, and check him

840
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: out on tour. Thanks for listening. The first song we

841
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: did was My favorite song of the Highest Tower from

842
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: Alien Sunset twenty seventeen, Too Bad, from his new self

843
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: titled album We did Is It Magic. Also from that album,

844
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: we did Crying in the Rain, which is a Carol

845
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: King song with lyrics by Howard Greenfield and was also

846
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: recorded by The Everly Brothers. We did Sold My Soul

847
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Speaker 2: from Nobody Lives Here Anymore twenty twenty. Today's episode was

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Speaker 2: recorded by Steven Sacho, assisted by Jasper Leech, Maximilian Trophy,

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00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: Tanner Wallace, Andrew Kohinka, and mixed by Jamie Landry. Edited

850
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: by Sarah Oda, Additional editing and mixing by Matthew Vasquez,

851
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Additional engineering by Pete rem artwork by Eliza Fry, Photography

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: by Sheridan Linez. Produced by Me and Sarah hoda