1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Bombshell development Brian Cooberger appearing set to accept a plea 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: deal just five weeks before his quadruple murder trial was 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: set to start. Brian Coberger was simply out of options 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: and out of time. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Why did the prosecution take this? They were holding all 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: the cards. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 3: He essentially gets to live rent free, no expenses, for 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: the rest of his life, and we call that justice. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: It's insane. 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 4: This is the Idaho Massacre, A production of KAT Studios 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode one, The Plea Deal. I'm 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 4: Courtney Armstrong, a producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Leideger 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 4: and Gabriel Castillo. 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 5: Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: Yes. After nearly three years of silence, nine hundred and 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: sixty two days of unanswered questions and national headlines, the 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: moment finally came. In a Boise courtroom under harsh fluorescent lights, 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 4: thirty year old Brian Coberger, a former pH d student 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: at Washington State University, stood before a judge and admitted 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: to the brutal murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylie Gonsalvez, Xana Kernodle, 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 4: and Ethan Chapin. He showed no emotion, no hesitation, and 22 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: offered no explanation. In exchange for avoiding the death penalty, 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: he accepted four life sentences without parole. There was no apology, 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: no remorse, just a chilling end to a case that 25 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: shattered a community and gripped the nations. 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 5: To Count two murder in the first degree three as 27 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 5: it relates to the murder of Madison Mogan, how do 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to count three? 29 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 5: As it relates to murder in the first degree for 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 5: the murder of Kaylee Gunslvus, How do you plead guilty 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 5: or not guilty guilty as to count four? The first 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 5: degree murder of Xana Kernodle a human being? How do 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 5: you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to count five? 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 5: The first degree murder of Ethan Chapin a human being? 35 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 5: How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty? 36 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: We've spent the past two and a half years asking 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 4: the same haunting questions. Could Brian Colberger, a man with 38 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: academic promise and a seemingly bright future, really be responsible 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: for one of the most shocking mass murders in recent memory. 40 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: Colberger was arrested on December thirtieth, twenty twenty two, in 41 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 4: his home in Pennsylvania, following a nationwide manhunt. Investigators tied 42 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 4: him to the crime scene a house in Moscow, Idaho, 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: where four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered. They 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: did this using DNA, cell phone data, vehicle tracking, and 45 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: surveillance footage. But even now, the most chilling questions remain, why, 46 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 4: Why that house, Why those four students? Was this random 47 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 4: or planned? Was he stalking them? Who was his intended target? 48 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: And now a new question, why did he plead guilty 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: after months of denials and courtroom silence? What made him 50 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: change course? Was its strategy, fear, remorse or something else Entirely, 51 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: we know the how and the when, but the why 52 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: still echoes through a grieving community. Until that answer comes, 53 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: all we can do is sift through the theories, searching 54 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: for the truth. Here's Stephanie speaking with crime analyst Body Moven. 55 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 6: We've been tracking this case closely, candidly. 56 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 4: We're all a little. 57 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 6: Shook at this exact moment. It's pretty earth shattering. Brian Coberger, 58 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 6: who has been accused of murdering for college students at 59 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 6: the University of Idaho. He has admitted to killing four 60 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 6: students that he seemingly has no connection to. This clown 61 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 6: just decides that the gig is up. I've wasted everybody's time, 62 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 6: all of Idaho's resources. I've been in the press, maybe 63 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 6: enjoying it every step of the way, and every single 64 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 6: thing that we thought was possibly maybe not true, or 65 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 6: we maybe hoped for the sake of humanity, wasn't true. 66 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 6: It seems as though this riddle has been solved and 67 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: the boogeyman is Brian Coburger, and we are so sad. 68 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 6: I don't even know where to start with it. 69 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 7: It's it's so hard to imagine that this guy is, 70 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 7: this dork, let's be honest, you know, is capable of 71 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 7: this kind of madness. But I have to say I'm 72 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 7: not shocked. I'm a little surprised that this happened. But 73 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 7: there was a May fifteenth hearing and the judge did 74 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 7: say that the best offer would have to be done 75 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 7: at the end of June early July, and here we are. 76 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 7: The last day of June. The defense approached the state 77 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 7: about a plea and it was accepted. 78 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: Here's journalist an Jeannette Levy with the Law and Crime Network. 79 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: An Jeannette has been following this case from the beginning. 80 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: She's joined by one of our producers, Alison Bankston. 81 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: I just thought to myself, there's no way the state 82 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: of Idaho is going to make a deal on this. 83 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: How could the state of Idaho when they say they've 84 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: got all of this evidence, it appears to be a strong, 85 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: circumstantial case. How could they make a deal in this 86 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: case when you have somebody who they were saying, crossed 87 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: into their state and murdered for college kids, you know, 88 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: some in their sleep, I mean, attacked them in the 89 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: middle of the night. How on earth could you make 90 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: a deal? What message does that send? But then maybe 91 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Brian Coberger gets scared when when the grim reality of 92 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: going to trial and sitting there for three months with 93 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: all of the media attentions. You know, somebody who appears 94 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: to be very introverted, how does he sit in the 95 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: glare of the media spotlight for three months? You know, 96 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: will he come to the realization that I very well 97 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: could be convicted and at some point in my life 98 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: face the possibility of being walked down that long hallway 99 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: to the firing squad. So part of me was surprised, 100 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: part of me wasn't when he pleaded guilty. 101 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 8: I completely agree why it happened. Then what are you 102 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 8: some of your theories on why that decided that this 103 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 8: is the time for him to plea. 104 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: I believe that Brian Coberger was simply out of options 105 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: and out of time. His request for a continuance had 106 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: been denied. The judge denied his motion to introduce four 107 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: alternate perpetrators at trial. He was asking to point the 108 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: finger at four people, three of whom were in the 109 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: friend group of the victims. One was a guy who 110 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: tried to approach Kaylie at the grocery on an occasion, 111 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: thought she was pretty or whatever. All of these people 112 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: provided DNA, All of these people handed over their phones 113 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: to law enforcement, and so his defenses were narrowing. He 114 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: had no alibi. The judge was not going to give 115 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the alibi instruction. So that was out. The driving around stargazing, 116 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: no dice there. He had no some other dude did 117 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: it defense. He didn't have that. It was he was 118 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: going to have to go the OJ route. Planted evidence. 119 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: The sheath was planted. It was somebody else in a 120 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: white car that looks just like mine, so he had 121 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: nothing else going on. 122 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: Author and veteran investigative journalist Howard Blum recently wrote a 123 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: piece for Vanity Fairs air Mail magazine exploring the possible 124 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: reasons behind Brian Coberger's surprising decision to plead guilty. Here's 125 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: Howard Now. 126 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: According to my reporting earlier on in the case, Coburger's 127 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: legal team and Taylor had come to the realization that 128 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: their client was not going to win this case, so 129 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: they approached Brian Coberger and said, we'd like you to 130 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: consider taking a plea deal. He spoke with his mother. 131 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: His mother said no. Why she said no? The speculation 132 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: is that she actually at that point believed her son 133 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: was innocent. Fast forward then to last May. Last May, 134 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: there was a special on NBC's Dateline show in Full Transparency. 135 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: I was part of that show, and I appeared on 136 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: the show talking about the case talking head. But what 137 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: they had uncovered was that approximately two hours after the murderers, 138 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: Coburger had made a six a m phone call to 139 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: a number tied to a phone that was in the 140 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: name of Coburger's father, Michael Coburger. My reporting indicated that 141 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: during this fifty four minute phone call nearly an hour, 142 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: just two hours after the murder. I speculate he spoke 143 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: largely with his mother. What was said on that conversation, 144 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: who he spoke to I can only speculate, But according 145 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: to my reporting, he and his mother had this involved conversation. 146 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: And now that it had been revealed to the world, 147 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: now they had made known, the Coburger family had no doubt, 148 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: no doubt that this would come up at trial. They 149 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: would have to go on the stand and answer questions 150 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: about this phone call, probing questions under oath. So when 151 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: this was explained into Coburger by Anne Taylor, now, in 152 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: his own irrational way, something akin to remorse, and he 153 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: felt that he put his family through one version of 154 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: hell already. He did not want to put them in 155 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: legal jeopardy too. Plus he'd be able to save his life. 156 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: So he went to Ann Taylor and said, yeah, let's 157 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: see if we can make a deal. What's now more 158 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: astounding to me? Why did the prosecution take this? As 159 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: I said before, they were holding all the cards. Well, again, 160 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: I'm sort of forced to speculate. You can say that 161 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: every veteran prosecutor knows that every trial is a roll 162 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: of the dice. You never know what one witness out 163 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: there will be harboring reasonable doubt that could just destroy 164 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: your entire case, destroy your chance for a conviction. However, 165 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: what I feel, and I believe this, is that Bill Thompson, 166 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: the prosecutor, after nearly three years on this horrific, dispiriting case, 167 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: I just sort of lost the will, He lost the 168 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: appetite for a courtroom battle, and he was ready to say, okay, 169 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: let's settle it. He goes away to jail forever and 170 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: the state can move on. I can move on, Bill Thompson, 171 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: with my life, and for all I know, he wanted 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: to spend the summer of fishing rather than three months 173 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: in the courtroom. 174 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 175 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: a moment. The families of the victims met with the 176 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: prosecution a week before to discuss the possibility of a plea, 177 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 4: but not all of the families were in agreement. One 178 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: of those families was the Gonsolves family. Here's victim Kelley 179 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 4: Gonsalvez's brother Stephen, reflecting on his sister and the impact 180 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: her loss had on those who loved her most. He's 181 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: joined by producer Alison Bankston. 182 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: Was essentially a more intelligent, more sociable, better version of 183 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: me in a lot of ways. You know, being her 184 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: older brother, I kind of had to look out for 185 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: and protect her. And you know, I'll miss the days 186 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: of receiving calls no matter how bad the news was 187 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: from her, you know, breakups, everything like that, just being 188 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: there to be either a shoulder to cry on or 189 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: having to go talk to some stupid boyfriend. Kaylee originally 190 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: she wanted to be a lawyer, which is somehow now ironic, 191 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: but then she kind of switched up into more of 192 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: a general education. She was just applying for jobs knowing 193 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: it was her last semester there at UI, and she 194 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: got an IT job that was down in Austin. Kaylee 195 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: was intelligent. She was very charismatic so to speak, and 196 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: was able to facilitate that in a way where she'd 197 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: be able to maybe get into positions without knowing exactly 198 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: what she was going to do, but find find a 199 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: way to get to the resolution that she was looking for. 200 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 8: I love that she chased the job out in Austin. 201 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 8: The ambition is wonderful, true. It truly is Can you 202 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 8: tell me a little bit about her and Mattie's friendship. 203 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 8: I know that they had a beautiful, beautiful friendship starting 204 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 8: from a young age. Can you tell me a little. 205 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: Bit about that they've been best friends since sixth grade. 206 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: I believe it was we were all going to private 207 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: schools back then, and that was really all she wrote. 208 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 3: They were essentially inseparable their friendship. I'd like to say 209 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: it's something that a lot of people think they have 210 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: but don't. Maddie and Keeley really had each other's back. 211 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: They were always looking out for each other's best interests. 212 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 3: Mattie was more soft spoken, she was there, I say, kinder, 213 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: and Kaylee was more you know, this is what we want. 214 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to find a way to get this. I 215 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: guess that's how I would describe the Yin and yang thing. 216 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: They had. Obviously their similarities, but they also had this 217 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: discrepancy where they were almost polar opposites, but in a 218 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: way that kind of match each other perfect. 219 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 8: I think that's what makes those type of friendships so great, 220 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 8: is that you know, if the people are too similar, 221 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 8: they're going to clash. So just a little bit of 222 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 8: differences makes the pieces fit together. So that was a 223 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 8: beautiful way to describe it. 224 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 9: Thank you. 225 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 8: And can you often tell me about their time at 226 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 8: the University of Idaho, Like what do they love about 227 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 8: the university? What made them excited about it? 228 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: Sure, I can't speak too much to that because sororities 229 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: are a little bit different than fraternities. I was in 230 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,479 Speaker 3: a fraternity down there. They were obviously in their respective sororities. 231 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: Kaylee got a fee, Maddy got pi fi. They joined 232 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: and they were just heartbroken that they weren't going to 233 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: be in the same sorority. And at that time I 234 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: was rushing as well. I had joined a fraternity. I 235 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: didn't do too well in the fraternity. I'm not great 236 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: with stingent rules. It just didn't work for me. And 237 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: I had left after a year and I told Kaylee, 238 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: I was like, you're gonna hate this. You're gonna absolutely 239 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: hate this. I know your personality. And she ended up 240 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: not necessarily hating it, but hating all the rules in 241 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: the things, the guides you have to follow. And that's 242 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: why they ended up getting an apartment. Kailee, I believe, 243 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: moved out first. She got an apartment at what's called 244 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: the Whites. Actually not far from King Road at all. 245 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: We're talking one hundred feet or so. And then they 246 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: got the house on King Road together. 247 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 8: With King Road. Do you remember when Kaylee first told 248 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 8: you that she was going to move in there? It's 249 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 8: how excited were they to all kind of move into this. 250 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: Place with anything in a big family. It wasn't like 251 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: some big announcement that she was moving into this home. 252 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: In fact, I don't recall if she ever even told me, 253 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: but I know they were happy to finally coalesce once 254 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: again and be together. I can be certain of that. 255 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 8: Let's get into the plea deal because my heart breaks 256 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 8: for you guys on that. Where were you, guys when 257 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 8: you found out that this was going on? Can you 258 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 8: take me back to that moment when you found out 259 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 8: that a plea deal had been reached. 260 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: I wasn't involved in this meeting, but from what I've 261 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: heard from my parents, my siblings, there was a meeting 262 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: had on Friday, because we had them weekly with the 263 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: prosecution to go over updates and whatnot with the case. 264 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: And there was a meeting and right at the end 265 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: of the meeting, they kind of slipped it in. They go, hey, 266 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: and if a plea deal were offered, How would you 267 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: feel about that? All of my family obviously answered no, 268 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: We've made our opinion very clear about the plea. There's 269 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: no confusion to be had, and they're like, okay, okay. 270 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: And then it would have been June twenty ninth and 271 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: we were out, we were having dinner at a restaurant 272 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: over here, and we found out prosecution had made some 273 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: decisions for us where they were willing to I don't 274 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: want to say sacrifice, but for the lack of a 275 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: better word for souls for permanent daycare, for an adult 276 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: prison daycare. He has commissary, he has a that he 277 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: can work out. He's going to be with a lot 278 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: of similarly minded people. He essentially gets to live rent free, 279 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 3: no expenses, for the rest of his life. And we 280 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: call that justice. It's insane. They knew we wouldn't agree 281 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: with it, and they made it pretty clear they weren't 282 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: too concerned with how we felt about the whole situation. 283 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: In a letter that the prosecution sent to the families, 284 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: according to new sources, he said that they weighed heavily 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: the family and their decision making quote, we cannot fathom 286 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: the toll that this has taken on your family. This 287 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. 288 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 4: This agreement ensures that the defendant will be convicted, will 289 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: spend the rest of his life in prison, and will 290 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: not be able to put you and the other families 291 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: through the uncertainty of decades of post conviction appeals that's. 292 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 7: Going to be considered. I mean, with a death penalty case, 293 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 7: there's appeal after appeal after appeal, and as a family 294 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 7: member of a victim, you're going to want to go 295 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 7: to those appeals. That's in your to be reliving this 296 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 7: over and over and over again. And you know, honestly, 297 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 7: I'm sure they relive it every day right now. They've 298 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 7: been living in suspended animation for the last two and 299 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 7: a half years. 300 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 4: Here's Prosecutor Bill Thompson speaking with KTVW News. 301 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 10: Every case stands on its own merits, and every case 302 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 10: that my office is handled since I took office thirty 303 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 10: three years ago, has been decided based on what is 304 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 10: unique to that case. I understand and I respect the 305 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 10: feelings of some of the families of the family members 306 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 10: who don't agree with our decision. I honestly do, but 307 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 10: there are also others who feel like they have received 308 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 10: some comfort and some closure from this, and in the 309 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 10: end it has to be the prosecutor's decision. 310 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 4: It was July second, twenty twenty five, a muggy summer 311 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 4: morning in Boise, Idaho. Temperatures had climbed into the nineties 312 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: as crowds began to gather outside the Ada County Courthouse. 313 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: Members of the press, local onlookers, and out of town 314 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 4: spectators packed the front steps, hoping to catch a glimpse 315 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: of the man who'd been at the center of a 316 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: national nightmare. For nearly three years. The question of who 317 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: killed four University of Idaho's students had loomed heavy over Moscow, 318 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 4: Idaho and beyond. And now the man accused of that crime, 319 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: thirty year old Brian Christopher Coburger, was about to walk 320 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 4: into the court and plead guilty to all five counts. 321 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 4: He was facing four counts of first degree murder and 322 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: one count of burglary. The moment was historic and emotional. 323 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 4: It also raised a new wave of questions. Here again, 324 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: producer Alison Bankston with Lawn Crime journalists an Jeannette Levy, 325 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: you actually. 326 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 8: Were at Ryan Colberger's plea hearing. 327 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: You had a really good feat I did. It was crazy. 328 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 8: You can paint a picture for me what it was 329 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 8: like going into that plea hearing on that Wednesday. 330 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: Going into the plea hearing, it was very intense because 331 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: you knew that Xanna's mother supported the plea agreement. Again, 332 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: solve family, of course did not support the plea agreement, 333 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: but Matti Mogan's family supported it, as did Ethan Shapin. 334 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: So it was very heavy. You're walking in there and 335 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: you know that you're walking into something where there's a 336 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: lot of contention. And I walked in and we were 337 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: told exactly where to sit. And then Brian Coburger walked in. 338 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: I could tell immediately his hair was kind of buzzed 339 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: on the sides. You know, he looked like he was 340 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: prepared for a big event, shirt and tie. Of course. 341 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: Khaki's his mother Mary Anne, and father Michael were over 342 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: to my left. The victims were all over on the 343 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: other side of the court room to the right. He 344 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: came in no restraints, sat down, talked to his lawyers 345 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: very briefly, and then the hearings started. Bill Thompson in 346 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: court went through what he called a written factual basis, 347 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: and this was really them presenting to the court what 348 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: they believed the evidence would show a trial. And he 349 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: said basically that, you know, Brian Coburger bought this k 350 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: bar knife on Amazon using a gift card of all things, 351 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: in March, and then in late June or early July, 352 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: he moves to Pullman, Washington to pursue his PhD in 353 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: criminology and criminal justice, and for some reason, Brian Coburger 354 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: starts making these trips to the Moscow area. And you know, 355 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: they have this evidence that shows that on twenty three 356 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: occasions between July and the week before the murders, Brian 357 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: Coberger's phone is within a football field of that house 358 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: on King Road. It was always late at night, between 359 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: ten pm and four am, painting this picture of a nightstalker, 360 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: somebody who was kind of circling this neighborhood and possibly 361 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: this house like a vulture looking for prey. And he 362 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: said basically that Brian Coburger on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, 363 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: went over to King Road in his Hyundai A Lantra, 364 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: circled the area, then parked in an upper parking lot 365 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: above the house at King Road. 366 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: Here's Prosecutor Bill Thompson in the courtroom. 367 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 10: Entered the residence, went to the third floor and with 368 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 10: a knife killed Madison Bogan and Kyle Getzalos. The defendant 369 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 10: as he left that room for whatever reason, ended up 370 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 10: leaving or the sheath for a k bar knife was 371 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 10: left on the bed next to Madison Molden's body, and 372 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 10: I can jump ahead. That sheath was tested by the 373 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 10: Iaho State Police forensic clab and singles male DNA was 374 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 10: found on the snap of that sheaf. The state's evidence 375 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 10: would show that Xana Canodle was still awake at this time, 376 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 10: in fact, had taken a door dash order not long 377 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 10: before this started. Her room was not on the third floor, 378 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 10: it was on the second floor on the west side. 379 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 10: As the defendant was either coming down the stairs or leaving, 380 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 10: he encountered Xanna and he ended up killing her also 381 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 10: with a large knife. He's in Chapin. Xana's boyfriend was 382 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 10: asleep in their bedroom in her bedroom and the defendant 383 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 10: killed him as well with a large big knife. Each 384 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 10: victim suffered multiple wounds. 385 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: He walked through the kitchen out the backslider door. They 386 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: find him. In Pennsylvania, you know they're surveilling him. And 387 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: then his vehicle is parked in his parents' garage and 388 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: they find a bucket next to the vehicle and they 389 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: say basically they took that vehicle apart and that it 390 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: had been cleaned. It was spotless. They also searched his 391 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: apartment and they said it was spartan. There was no 392 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 1: evidence of any of these students, no blood, no DNA 393 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: belonging to any of these victims in either his car 394 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: or in his apartment. There was no social media connection, 395 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: There was no connection between Brian Coburger and these victims. So, 396 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: I mean, what he outlined sound like something out of 397 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: a horror movie. This is a real life horror movie. 398 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: What struck me was the fact that Brian Coburger barely 399 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: blinked the entire time that Bill Thompson was going through 400 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: his statement of facts about what they believed the evidence 401 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: at trial would have proved. And he barely blinked. Brian 402 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: Coberger barely blinked. It was as if he was transfixed 403 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: by what Bill Thompson was saying. But he seemed almost 404 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: like in a trance, And I was like, is he 405 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: listening so intently to see if Bill Thompson gets every 406 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: fact right, you know, was he reliving the night as 407 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: Bill Thompson was going through all of this information? So 408 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I was stunned by that. 409 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 8: Just the idea of him listening to Bill Thompson's factual 410 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 8: basis and like reliving it is such a creepy thought. 411 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 8: Oh my god. I think you're right though. I think 412 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 8: that probably is what he was doing. And did we 413 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 8: learn anything new from his written factual basis? I know 414 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 8: that's it was almost like reciting the Affiday that his 415 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 8: written factual basis. 416 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: There really wasn't a lot of new information that we learned. 417 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I think that people were expecting a little more meat 418 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: on the bone. I mean, obviously what he painted was 419 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: a pretty compelling picture as far as circumstantial evidence goes. 420 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: But I think that people were expecting maybe a little 421 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: bit more information about the crime and how it occurred. 422 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: You know, you've been investigating it for more than two 423 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: years now. There has to be more evidence. There has 424 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: to be more that they were going to present a 425 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: trial that they just haven't talked about yet. You know, 426 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: the cards that they're keeping close to the vest for 427 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: whatever reason. 428 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in 429 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: a moment. Here's crime analyst, body move in and conversation 430 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: with former homicide prosecutor Jarrett Farantino. Farantino is a seasoned 431 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 4: trial attorney who's handled hundreds of plea deals over the 432 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 4: course of his career. He has prosecuted some of the 433 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 4: most complex and high stakes cases in the country, including 434 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 4: multiple death penalty trials. 435 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 9: If I was the prosecutor, I would want an elocution. 436 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 9: I would want Colberger to say affirmatively I killed Xanna, Maddie, Ethan, 437 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 9: and Kayley. I want to hear him say it. And 438 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 9: that could be part of the plea agreement. 439 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 7: And that would happen at sentencing, like right before sentencing, right. 440 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 9: It could, and it could happen in response to the victims' families. 441 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 9: He could apologize to them. He could acknowledge that he 442 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 9: did it. We may never know why. And I think 443 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 9: some of the things I'm seeing online, they're asking is 444 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 9: it an Alford plea? You know that I've heard that too. 445 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 7: Why do people think that? 446 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 6: What does that mean? 447 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 9: So that that's the name of the case out of 448 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 9: North Carolina from nineteen seventy, the Supreme Court basically said 449 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 9: a guilty. TLEA could be accepted if a defendant doesn't 450 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 9: admit the criminal act. As long as they're saying I 451 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 9: acknowledge there's enough evidence against me, and I'm going to 452 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 9: likely be convicted. You can go out. It's exactly how 453 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 9: they got out. But those now, if I'm the prosecutor 454 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 9: in this case, if I'm Bill Thompson, I don't accept 455 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 9: an alford. I'm not taking death off the table until 456 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 9: you bring some closure and some accountability to these families. 457 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 4: Does Coberger or anyone who is in his position, do 458 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: they need to or is it customary for them to 459 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: give details of X happened and then why happened? Or 460 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: are they under no obligation to explain the events of 461 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 4: the night. 462 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 11: He has the right to stay silent. My hope is 463 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 11: he apologizes for what he did. He could explain why 464 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 11: he did what he did. I don't expect that, though. 465 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 12: I think he's going to be pretty tight lippt as 466 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 12: to why, because you know, it's one thing to admit 467 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 12: these crimes, it's another thing to admit these strange fantasies 468 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 12: that you're carrying out. 469 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow 470 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 4: us on Instagram at kat Underscore Studios. The Idaho Massacre 471 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: is produced by Stephanie Leideker, Alison Bankston, Gabriel Castillo and 472 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: me Courtney Armstrong. 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