1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,875 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I 2 00:00:21,915 --> 00:00:25,955 Speaker 1: am beginning to believe that we may have wildly underestimated 3 00:00:26,035 --> 00:00:29,995 Speaker 1: how many more things Jack Smith is about to indict Trump. 4 00:00:30,235 --> 00:00:35,075 Speaker 1: Four Could the Special Council in fact be preparing now 5 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:43,475 Speaker 1: to indict Trump for illegally pressuring Mike Pence. There is 6 00:00:43,555 --> 00:00:46,515 Speaker 1: reason today to believe that the number of new separate 7 00:00:46,515 --> 00:00:49,395 Speaker 1: indictments of Trump by Smith could be as many as four, 8 00:00:49,795 --> 00:00:53,395 Speaker 1: maybe even five, Based on both reporting and analysis by 9 00:00:53,395 --> 00:00:56,475 Speaker 1: the people who have been right so far, the general 10 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:59,275 Speaker 1: consensus seem to have been there would be two new ones. First, 11 00:00:59,275 --> 00:01:02,755 Speaker 1: the fake Elector's schemes, since there were fake electors seen 12 00:01:02,995 --> 00:01:06,195 Speaker 1: entering the court building house a the Special Council's Washington 13 00:01:06,235 --> 00:01:09,035 Speaker 1: Grand Jury that almost exactly the same moment that Smith 14 00:01:09,075 --> 00:01:12,515 Speaker 1: was announcing the document's case in Miami ten days ago. 15 00:01:12,675 --> 00:01:15,635 Speaker 1: There has also been consistent dribbing and drabbing coming out 16 00:01:15,635 --> 00:01:18,155 Speaker 1: of what appears to be a very serious Smith investigation 17 00:01:18,635 --> 00:01:21,035 Speaker 1: of what at first seems like an almost sidebar to 18 00:01:21,195 --> 00:01:25,155 Speaker 1: that part of the Trump massive coup plan. The gradual 19 00:01:25,195 --> 00:01:28,115 Speaker 1: assembling of evidence that when Trump made his desperate pleas 20 00:01:28,315 --> 00:01:31,155 Speaker 1: to the yokels, in November and December twenty twenty to 21 00:01:31,355 --> 00:01:34,915 Speaker 1: raise funds to fight the stolen election. He knew, damn 22 00:01:34,955 --> 00:01:38,475 Speaker 1: well and acknowledged, damn well, it was not a stolen election, 23 00:01:38,635 --> 00:01:44,075 Speaker 1: and thus all that fundraising was fraud. That January sixth 24 00:01:44,235 --> 00:01:47,275 Speaker 1: fraud stuff was puzzling in a way because while it's 25 00:01:47,395 --> 00:01:51,795 Speaker 1: like tax evasion, fraud is easier to prove than say, 26 00:01:52,435 --> 00:01:56,115 Speaker 1: an intricate plot to overthrow the government using stochastic terrorism 27 00:01:56,195 --> 00:01:59,555 Speaker 1: and deniable incitements of mobs and milities. It did seem 28 00:01:59,595 --> 00:02:02,995 Speaker 1: a little off the point. Do not get me wrong here. 29 00:02:03,395 --> 00:02:06,595 Speaker 1: If they can jail tru forever based on stealing box 30 00:02:06,675 --> 00:02:12,435 Speaker 1: cars full of gold rustolium that he sprayed on his head, fine, 31 00:02:12,595 --> 00:02:16,115 Speaker 1: Still there is a sadness about this. He tried to 32 00:02:16,195 --> 00:02:19,635 Speaker 1: overthrow the democracy. We need to put him on trial 33 00:02:19,755 --> 00:02:24,355 Speaker 1: for trying to overthrow the democracy. Well, we may yet 34 00:02:24,435 --> 00:02:27,955 Speaker 1: do so. Ryan Goodman from Just Security, when I cite 35 00:02:27,995 --> 00:02:30,275 Speaker 1: here frequently, even though I don't know him, and only 36 00:02:30,315 --> 00:02:34,235 Speaker 1: because he knows his stuff, told the Bill Crystal podcast 37 00:02:34,235 --> 00:02:37,235 Speaker 1: that he thinks Jack Smith is quote going to indict 38 00:02:37,275 --> 00:02:40,555 Speaker 1: Trump for the false slate of Elector's scheme, and with 39 00:02:40,635 --> 00:02:43,435 Speaker 1: Goodman adding that the odds Fannie Willis indicts on false 40 00:02:43,475 --> 00:02:46,875 Speaker 1: electors and election interference in Georgia are at ninety percent. 41 00:02:47,115 --> 00:02:50,555 Speaker 1: Trump could then face twin federal and state cases on 42 00:02:50,635 --> 00:02:54,555 Speaker 1: overlapping topics. And then Goodman added something that took my 43 00:02:54,715 --> 00:02:59,715 Speaker 1: breath away, indicting Trump for false electors quote and quite 44 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:06,275 Speaker 1: probably possibly the pressure campaign against Mike Pence. Wait what 45 00:03:07,875 --> 00:03:11,395 Speaker 1: Goodman sends The odds on Jack Smith indicting Trump about 46 00:03:11,435 --> 00:03:16,235 Speaker 1: Pence at sixty to seventy percent. Pressuring the vice president, 47 00:03:16,275 --> 00:03:19,555 Speaker 1: Goodman says, quoting him again, is independent of whether or 48 00:03:19,595 --> 00:03:22,395 Speaker 1: not he Trump thought he won the election. He can 49 00:03:22,395 --> 00:03:25,035 Speaker 1: think he won the election, doesn't matter. But you can't 50 00:03:25,235 --> 00:03:29,395 Speaker 1: try to coerce a public official to defy their legal duties, 51 00:03:29,755 --> 00:03:33,715 Speaker 1: which is just to count the votes. Goodman does not 52 00:03:33,835 --> 00:03:36,915 Speaker 1: mention this, but you will remember that Stuart Rhodes and 53 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:40,755 Speaker 1: some of the other oathkeepers were prosecuted for and convicted 54 00:03:40,875 --> 00:03:45,275 Speaker 1: of interfering with Congress's ability to complete its legal duties. 55 00:03:46,875 --> 00:03:51,635 Speaker 1: Ponder for just a moment the prospect the eternal carnival 56 00:03:51,995 --> 00:03:55,275 Speaker 1: of Smith indicting Trump, who is running for the Republican nomination, 57 00:03:55,635 --> 00:03:58,275 Speaker 1: for attempting to course Pence, who is running for the 58 00:03:58,315 --> 00:04:03,075 Speaker 1: Republican nomination, oh and necessarily having Pence testify against Trump 59 00:04:03,435 --> 00:04:07,475 Speaker 1: either before Trump is nominated or before the election. So 60 00:04:07,635 --> 00:04:10,995 Speaker 1: instead of two, that would be three separate prongs to 61 00:04:10,995 --> 00:04:13,795 Speaker 1: Smith's pursuit of Trump, four if you count the thirty 62 00:04:13,835 --> 00:04:18,435 Speaker 1: seven documents indictments already brought documents stolen election fundraising, fraud 63 00:04:18,835 --> 00:04:24,035 Speaker 1: January sixth, false electors January sixth, pressure campaign against Mike Pence. 64 00:04:25,755 --> 00:04:29,235 Speaker 1: Goodman also does not see the January sixth stuff waiting 65 00:04:29,315 --> 00:04:32,275 Speaker 1: out in the hall. According again, I think it's very 66 00:04:32,355 --> 00:04:35,475 Speaker 1: likely that the Special Council indicts him about January sixth 67 00:04:35,715 --> 00:04:38,035 Speaker 1: in the summer. He wants to do it by the 68 00:04:38,075 --> 00:04:40,995 Speaker 1: summer to avoid doing it much later. And if that 69 00:04:41,155 --> 00:04:43,155 Speaker 1: is not enough to chew on. Goodman thinks the odds 70 00:04:43,155 --> 00:04:46,195 Speaker 1: are fifty to fifty that Smith will further expand the 71 00:04:46,235 --> 00:04:48,955 Speaker 1: case against Trump on the stolen documents and add further 72 00:04:49,115 --> 00:04:52,995 Speaker 1: charges to it, but not in Florida. As I've noted before, 73 00:04:53,075 --> 00:04:56,395 Speaker 1: Goodman notes that the charging document released to the public 74 00:04:56,435 --> 00:04:59,995 Speaker 1: concurrent with the indictments in Miami was very specific about 75 00:05:00,035 --> 00:05:03,315 Speaker 1: the crimes Trump had committed and the individual events The 76 00:05:03,355 --> 00:05:07,435 Speaker 1: Florida charging document references the dissemination of defense information to 77 00:05:07,475 --> 00:05:10,755 Speaker 1: people not authorized to see it, and refers explicitly to 78 00:05:10,795 --> 00:05:14,515 Speaker 1: both the classified map Trump showed people and that Mark 79 00:05:14,675 --> 00:05:18,355 Speaker 1: Millie military plan for war on Iran, the stuff Trump 80 00:05:18,395 --> 00:05:22,515 Speaker 1: is caught on tape going over with the Mark Meadows ghostwriters. 81 00:05:23,155 --> 00:05:26,115 Speaker 1: All of that stuff is in the Florida charging document 82 00:05:26,315 --> 00:05:28,235 Speaker 1: that has now been in circulation for ten days, but 83 00:05:28,795 --> 00:05:32,595 Speaker 1: there have been no charges about it. Goodman's explanation for 84 00:05:32,635 --> 00:05:36,115 Speaker 1: this anomaly is simple. Trump's crimes of stealing and keeping 85 00:05:36,155 --> 00:05:39,835 Speaker 1: the documents happened in Florida. Telling people what was in 86 00:05:39,875 --> 00:05:43,795 Speaker 1: the documents happened in New Jersey. So if Goodman is 87 00:05:43,835 --> 00:05:47,075 Speaker 1: right about Jersey and more documents and more charges, that's 88 00:05:47,155 --> 00:05:52,235 Speaker 1: four or five separate prosecutions, depending on your definitions. Documents 89 00:05:52,275 --> 00:05:54,995 Speaker 1: could theoretically just be considered parts A and B of 90 00:05:54,995 --> 00:05:58,635 Speaker 1: the same case. And if you're tired of one guy 91 00:05:59,515 --> 00:06:04,915 Speaker 1: speculating about one other guy speculating, good news everyone. There 92 00:06:04,955 --> 00:06:08,195 Speaker 1: is hard and firm information from Jack Smith in court 93 00:06:08,235 --> 00:06:11,075 Speaker 1: paperwork he filed last Friday in which he said that 94 00:06:11,115 --> 00:06:14,195 Speaker 1: a protective order needed to be placed on anything produced 95 00:06:14,595 --> 00:06:17,475 Speaker 1: by the legal discovery conducted by the Trump team, because 96 00:06:17,515 --> 00:06:21,435 Speaker 1: the stuff found in discovery would contain information about quote 97 00:06:22,195 --> 00:06:30,235 Speaker 1: ongoing investigations that could quote identify uncharged individuals, Mark Meadows. 98 00:06:32,795 --> 00:06:35,755 Speaker 1: So there is no question Smith is still seeking new charges, 99 00:06:36,155 --> 00:06:39,275 Speaker 1: and obviously they are against Trump, and obviously he has 100 00:06:39,395 --> 00:06:43,395 Speaker 1: unrevealed witnesses. And we know from one of the flood 101 00:06:43,435 --> 00:06:46,315 Speaker 1: of New York Times reports, this one from about six 102 00:06:46,355 --> 00:06:49,075 Speaker 1: weeks ago, that Smith is still active on the subject 103 00:06:49,115 --> 00:06:51,755 Speaker 1: of Trump and things that happened in New Jersey. The 104 00:06:51,795 --> 00:06:54,475 Speaker 1: Times report from the beginning of May was that there 105 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:58,315 Speaker 1: had been quote previously unreported subpoenas to the Trump organization 106 00:06:58,635 --> 00:07:03,075 Speaker 1: which sought records pertaining to Trump's dealings with a Saudi 107 00:07:03,195 --> 00:07:07,515 Speaker 1: backed professional golf bench known as Live Golf, which Trump 108 00:07:07,515 --> 00:07:09,475 Speaker 1: has so far dealt with not at Mari Lago or 109 00:07:09,515 --> 00:07:12,515 Speaker 1: his other golf courses, but at his Bedminster club in 110 00:07:12,555 --> 00:07:16,995 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Goodman didn't mention this. The Times didn't mention this. 111 00:07:17,195 --> 00:07:20,155 Speaker 1: Nobody's mentioned this. It is officially still inside the realm 112 00:07:20,395 --> 00:07:23,355 Speaker 1: of political science fiction. But if you want to ratchet 113 00:07:23,395 --> 00:07:26,555 Speaker 1: up the whole golf thing one more notch, you could, 114 00:07:26,595 --> 00:07:30,395 Speaker 1: as I previously have envisioned, Trump trading information to the 115 00:07:30,435 --> 00:07:33,595 Speaker 1: Saudis so that they would make the big Trump signs 116 00:07:33,635 --> 00:07:37,275 Speaker 1: on the golf course one square foot larger than originally 117 00:07:37,275 --> 00:07:39,835 Speaker 1: agreed to. You know he would, you know he would? 118 00:07:40,035 --> 00:07:45,115 Speaker 1: You know he would. There is also the gathering prospect 119 00:07:45,155 --> 00:07:49,035 Speaker 1: of Trump being hoist with his own petard. The Times 120 00:07:49,075 --> 00:07:53,275 Speaker 1: also noted that five separate statements inside the charging documents 121 00:07:53,435 --> 00:07:58,275 Speaker 1: are quotations from Trump during the lockher upstage of the 122 00:07:58,315 --> 00:08:03,075 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen presidential campaign. There is a belief among experts 123 00:08:03,075 --> 00:08:05,675 Speaker 1: in the field that these statements could all be introduced 124 00:08:05,715 --> 00:08:09,875 Speaker 1: as evidence at trial to show not that Hillary Clinton 125 00:08:09,915 --> 00:08:12,035 Speaker 1: was right, although that would be a pleasing side effect, 126 00:08:12,315 --> 00:08:14,875 Speaker 1: but that Trump knew exactly what the penalties were for 127 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:20,075 Speaker 1: stealing boxes of defense information and classified documents. On the 128 00:08:20,115 --> 00:08:22,915 Speaker 1: subject of experts in the field, one of them has 129 00:08:22,915 --> 00:08:25,755 Speaker 1: now chewed up Trump and spit him out for the 130 00:08:25,835 --> 00:08:30,315 Speaker 1: second consecutive week. I have explained previously that my having 131 00:08:30,355 --> 00:08:34,955 Speaker 1: no use for William Barr is second generation. His father 132 00:08:35,275 --> 00:08:38,075 Speaker 1: arrived as the new headmaster of my prep school as 133 00:08:38,115 --> 00:08:42,835 Speaker 1: I graduated, and the bastard nearly bankrupted the place. But 134 00:08:43,155 --> 00:08:45,915 Speaker 1: like Ryan Goodman, Bill Barr is at least correct at 135 00:08:45,955 --> 00:08:49,155 Speaker 1: the moment. He was asked on Face the Nation yesterday 136 00:08:49,155 --> 00:08:52,275 Speaker 1: if he thinks Trump is a target specifically in January 137 00:08:52,355 --> 00:08:56,075 Speaker 1: sixth prosecutions. Quote. I'm actually starting to think they will 138 00:08:56,075 --> 00:08:59,275 Speaker 1: pull the trigger on that, Barr replied, and I would 139 00:08:59,315 --> 00:09:03,155 Speaker 1: expect it to be this summer unquote. Barr was also 140 00:09:03,235 --> 00:09:05,875 Speaker 1: asked if he had gotten any in side insight from 141 00:09:05,875 --> 00:09:09,595 Speaker 1: the Justice Department. He once ran and he refused to comment, 142 00:09:09,715 --> 00:09:11,555 Speaker 1: which is a strange thing to do if you have 143 00:09:11,675 --> 00:09:16,275 Speaker 1: not gotten inside insight. Barr also took some satisfying shots 144 00:09:16,275 --> 00:09:18,835 Speaker 1: at Trump. Quote, he will always put his own interests 145 00:09:18,875 --> 00:09:21,475 Speaker 1: and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including 146 00:09:21,475 --> 00:09:25,995 Speaker 1: the country's interests. No crap, Bill, that's Trump's physical or 147 00:09:25,995 --> 00:09:29,315 Speaker 1: emotional illness. He's like a nine year old, a defiant 148 00:09:29,395 --> 00:09:31,795 Speaker 1: nine year old kid who's always pushing the glass toward 149 00:09:31,835 --> 00:09:34,435 Speaker 1: the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop 150 00:09:34,515 --> 00:09:37,075 Speaker 1: him from doing it. It's a means of self assertion 151 00:09:37,235 --> 00:09:41,835 Speaker 1: and exerting his dominance over other people. Well, yes, Bill, 152 00:09:42,435 --> 00:09:48,075 Speaker 1: but six a defiant six year old child. For the 153 00:09:48,115 --> 00:09:51,555 Speaker 1: first time in years, there were two different Sunday News 154 00:09:51,635 --> 00:09:56,275 Speaker 1: interviews that may have contained actual news breadcrumbs, because Pence's 155 00:09:56,315 --> 00:09:59,355 Speaker 1: former chief of staff, Mark Short also went on one 156 00:09:59,395 --> 00:10:01,595 Speaker 1: of them, the one on Fox, and he brought up 157 00:10:01,675 --> 00:10:05,035 Speaker 1: another topic that had slipped through the cracks after it 158 00:10:05,075 --> 00:10:07,595 Speaker 1: had suddenly reappeared in the middle of a sexual abuse 159 00:10:07,635 --> 00:10:11,755 Speaker 1: suit against Rudy Giuliani. Short said, quote, one of the 160 00:10:11,755 --> 00:10:15,115 Speaker 1: most unseemly parts of the end of our administration was 161 00:10:15,155 --> 00:10:19,675 Speaker 1: the pardons Donald Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, to family members, 162 00:10:19,715 --> 00:10:24,035 Speaker 1: to people guilty of violent crimes. It was indefensible. Short 163 00:10:24,075 --> 00:10:28,955 Speaker 1: then added the money quote literally, people giving seven hundred 164 00:10:28,955 --> 00:10:35,035 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to lobbyists trying to get pardons unquote. Okay, 165 00:10:35,235 --> 00:10:39,515 Speaker 1: what's with that. Giuliani's alleged victim says his price to 166 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:41,515 Speaker 1: take a pardon to Trump was two million, to be 167 00:10:41,555 --> 00:10:45,435 Speaker 1: split with Trump. Certainly like the prospective indictments on defrauding 168 00:10:45,435 --> 00:10:48,595 Speaker 1: his own cultists to raise money to solve a stolen 169 00:10:48,595 --> 00:10:50,995 Speaker 1: election that was not stolen. There's got to be a 170 00:10:51,035 --> 00:10:54,035 Speaker 1: money trail a mile long for Jack Smith on these 171 00:10:54,355 --> 00:10:59,035 Speaker 1: million dollar pardons. For crying out loud, there are three 172 00:10:59,155 --> 00:11:02,835 Speaker 1: other new morsels here to savor. Chris Christie suggested that 173 00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:05,795 Speaker 1: based on his days as a prosecutor, the likelihood is 174 00:11:05,875 --> 00:11:11,515 Speaker 1: two thirds of Jack Smith's case. Well, case says well 175 00:11:11,915 --> 00:11:16,995 Speaker 1: panoply of case says is still below the surface, witnesses evidence, 176 00:11:17,035 --> 00:11:20,075 Speaker 1: God knows what. Ryan Goodman jumped on that in the 177 00:11:20,075 --> 00:11:24,355 Speaker 1: Crystal podcast and asked a rhetorical question. That is absolutely fascinating. 178 00:11:25,115 --> 00:11:29,555 Speaker 1: That tape of Trump talking to Mark Meadow's ghostwriters describing 179 00:11:29,555 --> 00:11:32,795 Speaker 1: the secret Iran war plans. He cannot give them because 180 00:11:32,795 --> 00:11:36,155 Speaker 1: they're classified, but he will describe to them because he's 181 00:11:36,195 --> 00:11:41,515 Speaker 1: a compulsive talker. Goodman says, that's a tape in essence 182 00:11:41,635 --> 00:11:45,875 Speaker 1: of Trump narrating his own crimes as he commits them, 183 00:11:46,155 --> 00:11:51,515 Speaker 1: a confession in real time. More intriguingly, Goodman asks, what 184 00:11:51,635 --> 00:11:54,995 Speaker 1: happens if anyone of the dozens of top news organizations 185 00:11:55,195 --> 00:11:58,995 Speaker 1: pursuing this the political story, the foremost political story in 186 00:11:59,035 --> 00:12:02,195 Speaker 1: American history. What if one of those news organizations were 187 00:12:02,235 --> 00:12:05,955 Speaker 1: to get a copy of that tape, post it or 188 00:12:05,995 --> 00:12:11,355 Speaker 1: put it on television or on TikTok, Not a transcript, 189 00:12:11,395 --> 00:12:15,195 Speaker 1: but Trump's actual crime, in Trump's actual voice, as Trump 190 00:12:15,315 --> 00:12:22,755 Speaker 1: actually commits it. Party down. One thing we do know 191 00:12:23,195 --> 00:12:27,755 Speaker 1: is if that happens Trump's lawyers are not exactly poised 192 00:12:28,195 --> 00:12:31,995 Speaker 1: to stop the tape from being made public. She is 193 00:12:32,075 --> 00:12:34,395 Speaker 1: hardly the lead on the document's case, but they are 194 00:12:34,435 --> 00:12:38,715 Speaker 1: still letting Alina Haba make public appearances on Trump's behalf. 195 00:12:39,075 --> 00:12:42,555 Speaker 1: I guess on the theory that Christina Bob is even dumber. 196 00:12:43,235 --> 00:12:46,755 Speaker 1: Habba spoke to the throng outside the Miami courthouse. She 197 00:12:46,875 --> 00:12:49,435 Speaker 1: also went on a Breitbart show and said that before 198 00:12:49,475 --> 00:12:52,515 Speaker 1: there was a trial, quote, we need a fair opportunity 199 00:12:52,555 --> 00:12:56,155 Speaker 1: to depose people and see what their answers are to 200 00:12:56,195 --> 00:12:59,555 Speaker 1: some of the things we have questions about. Haba said 201 00:12:59,595 --> 00:13:04,355 Speaker 1: she wanted people under oath explaining the raid, in other words, 202 00:13:04,355 --> 00:13:07,235 Speaker 1: the f search at Mary A Lago. It is quite 203 00:13:07,315 --> 00:13:10,635 Speaker 1: clear from that demand and that part just there about 204 00:13:10,675 --> 00:13:14,395 Speaker 1: a fair opportunity to depose people that this Habba is 205 00:13:14,515 --> 00:13:18,715 Speaker 1: under the impression that in a criminal case, the defendant 206 00:13:19,555 --> 00:13:24,675 Speaker 1: gets to take depositions from the prosecutors from the FBI. 207 00:13:26,155 --> 00:13:31,395 Speaker 1: I mean, I took one communications law class as a 208 00:13:31,515 --> 00:13:36,715 Speaker 1: junior in college forty six years ago this fall, and 209 00:13:36,755 --> 00:13:39,635 Speaker 1: even I know that criminal defendants don't get to cross 210 00:13:39,675 --> 00:13:44,195 Speaker 1: examine the Special Council. You could never tell Alina Habba 211 00:13:44,275 --> 00:13:47,555 Speaker 1: made her name in parking lot real estate law. Could 212 00:13:47,635 --> 00:13:53,035 Speaker 1: you so? Before the punchline? To all this the additional 213 00:13:53,075 --> 00:13:56,635 Speaker 1: comic relief, let's recap. Smith has charged Trump for mishandling 214 00:13:56,675 --> 00:14:00,115 Speaker 1: government documents in Florida. That's case one. He seems to 215 00:14:00,115 --> 00:14:02,795 Speaker 1: be on the verge of indictments on the phony fundraising scheme. 216 00:14:02,795 --> 00:14:05,995 Speaker 1: That would be case two, and Goodman is confident Smith 217 00:14:06,035 --> 00:14:08,515 Speaker 1: will also indict Trump on the fake elector slates. That 218 00:14:08,555 --> 00:14:11,995 Speaker 1: would be number three. He has added in the prospect 219 00:14:11,995 --> 00:14:14,235 Speaker 1: of a Smith indictment against Trump for trying to coerce 220 00:14:14,275 --> 00:14:17,515 Speaker 1: Mike Pence. That's four, and Goodman also thinks it's half 221 00:14:17,595 --> 00:14:21,235 Speaker 1: half that Smith will expand the document's case to include 222 00:14:21,315 --> 00:14:27,635 Speaker 1: illegal dissemination of defense information in New Jersey. And now, lastly, 223 00:14:27,675 --> 00:14:31,955 Speaker 1: the promised punchline, a quick peek into the parallel universe 224 00:14:31,995 --> 00:14:35,235 Speaker 1: in which Trump is completely innocent and he's being framed 225 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:37,715 Speaker 1: and Joe Biden is going to resign by the end 226 00:14:37,755 --> 00:14:42,315 Speaker 1: of the week and then be jailed. Now, Rudy Giuliani says, 227 00:14:42,435 --> 00:14:44,515 Speaker 1: one of the key players in the reducts of the 228 00:14:44,635 --> 00:14:48,635 Speaker 1: Ukraine conspiracy that exists only in his viagra addled mind, 229 00:14:49,435 --> 00:14:56,435 Speaker 1: Barisma II Electric Boogaloo. That witness has died at the 230 00:14:56,515 --> 00:15:00,675 Speaker 1: same exact time Congressman Jamie Comer, who I think is 231 00:15:00,835 --> 00:15:03,755 Speaker 1: now beginning to regret fronting this story in which they 232 00:15:03,755 --> 00:15:06,675 Speaker 1: don't know if there's this source, and the source doesn't know, 233 00:15:06,715 --> 00:15:09,555 Speaker 1: if there's a whistleblower, and the whistleblower doesn't know, if 234 00:15:09,555 --> 00:15:12,595 Speaker 1: there's a foreign oligarch, and the foreign oligarch doesn't know 235 00:15:12,675 --> 00:15:15,875 Speaker 1: if there's seventeen audio tapes and some of them are dead. 236 00:15:17,035 --> 00:15:21,555 Speaker 1: I think Jamie Combers beginning to regret this, And if 237 00:15:21,555 --> 00:15:24,475 Speaker 1: he wasn't before, now he is now because his newest 238 00:15:24,475 --> 00:15:28,075 Speaker 1: Congressional Office disbursement filing has been made for the first quarter, 239 00:15:28,115 --> 00:15:30,835 Speaker 1: and it includes such thrillers as two hundred and forty 240 00:15:30,835 --> 00:15:34,955 Speaker 1: four dollars for janitorial services and fourteen dollars to Mailchimp. 241 00:15:35,195 --> 00:15:37,835 Speaker 1: And then there is the four hundred and forty five 242 00:15:37,915 --> 00:15:44,355 Speaker 1: bucks Comber's office paid to the Wooden Casket Company LLLC 243 00:15:44,715 --> 00:15:49,035 Speaker 1: of Tompkinsville, Kentucky. The purpose listed on the file is 244 00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:58,715 Speaker 1: habituation expense. So Jamie Comer's witnesses are dead, and Jamie 245 00:15:58,715 --> 00:16:00,995 Speaker 1: Comber's office has just bought a four hundred and forty 246 00:16:01,075 --> 00:16:05,515 Speaker 1: five dollars casket for somebody or something to live in 247 00:16:07,955 --> 00:16:18,555 Speaker 1: what comer's hopes of reelection. Also of interest here, Joe 248 00:16:18,715 --> 00:16:22,155 Speaker 1: Rogan could actually be the dumbest person on the planet, 249 00:16:22,555 --> 00:16:28,195 Speaker 1: the dumbest out of all of us. Rogan continues to 250 00:16:28,235 --> 00:16:32,795 Speaker 1: push this debate between RFK Junior and doctor Peter Hotez. 251 00:16:33,915 --> 00:16:37,435 Speaker 1: What exactly is this debate going to be about? That 252 00:16:37,515 --> 00:16:41,915 Speaker 1: Rogan has been wrong about everything all along, about vaccines 253 00:16:42,515 --> 00:16:45,195 Speaker 1: and in so doing he risked the lives of thousands 254 00:16:45,235 --> 00:16:48,275 Speaker 1: of people. And on the other hand, doctor Hotez has 255 00:16:48,795 --> 00:16:52,715 Speaker 1: you know, an actual job saving the lives of thousands 256 00:16:52,755 --> 00:16:56,355 Speaker 1: of people. I mean, what's the debate going to be about? Rogan? 257 00:16:56,915 --> 00:17:01,795 Speaker 1: You brain damage, bowling ball with shoes. What's the debate 258 00:17:01,875 --> 00:17:07,635 Speaker 1: going to be about? All the zombie you see? That's next? 259 00:17:07,635 --> 00:17:21,675 Speaker 1: This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith Olberman. Postscripts 260 00:17:21,715 --> 00:17:25,035 Speaker 1: to the news, some headlines, some updates, some snarks, some predictions. 261 00:17:25,115 --> 00:17:29,795 Speaker 1: Dateline Charleston, South Carolina, Another week, another whole for Republican 262 00:17:29,835 --> 00:17:32,955 Speaker 1: presidential wanna be Nicki Haley to try to dig herself 263 00:17:32,955 --> 00:17:35,315 Speaker 1: out of she is trying to claim she did not 264 00:17:35,595 --> 00:17:38,595 Speaker 1: say that while governor of that state, she went from 265 00:17:38,635 --> 00:17:42,515 Speaker 1: defending the Confederate flag in public to supporting its removal 266 00:17:42,915 --> 00:17:46,035 Speaker 1: because when the mass murderer, Dylan Roof, issued a manifesto 267 00:17:46,115 --> 00:17:49,795 Speaker 1: showing himself posing with the Confederate flag, he quote hijacked 268 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:54,915 Speaker 1: the flag's real meaning, which she said had been quote service, 269 00:17:55,195 --> 00:18:00,835 Speaker 1: sacrifice and heritage. Here is this guy, she told Blaze TV, 270 00:18:00,955 --> 00:18:04,315 Speaker 1: and pro tip if you ever find yourself on Blaze 271 00:18:04,395 --> 00:18:09,635 Speaker 1: TV the flea quote, here is this guy who comes 272 00:18:09,715 --> 00:18:12,635 Speaker 1: out with his manifesto holding the Confederate flag and had 273 00:18:12,715 --> 00:18:15,955 Speaker 1: just hijacked everything that people thought of. We don't have 274 00:18:16,035 --> 00:18:19,555 Speaker 1: hateful people in South Carolina. There's always the small minority 275 00:18:19,595 --> 00:18:21,875 Speaker 1: who are always going to be there. But people saw 276 00:18:21,915 --> 00:18:27,275 Speaker 1: it as service, sacrifice and heritage. But once he did that, 277 00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:30,675 Speaker 1: there was no way to overcome it. The former governor 278 00:18:30,715 --> 00:18:34,035 Speaker 1: has also denounced Barack Obama for she says, making minorities 279 00:18:34,075 --> 00:18:37,715 Speaker 1: feel like victims. But in her statement, though Miss Haley 280 00:18:37,755 --> 00:18:40,035 Speaker 1: says she is an example of a member of a 281 00:18:40,075 --> 00:18:43,235 Speaker 1: minority group who succeeded through her own hard work. She 282 00:18:43,355 --> 00:18:47,675 Speaker 1: refers to members of minority groups as quote them unquote, 283 00:18:48,795 --> 00:18:50,355 Speaker 1: I think we all know what's going on here and 284 00:18:50,355 --> 00:18:53,155 Speaker 1: we don't have to put a name on it. Dateline Austin, Texas, 285 00:18:53,195 --> 00:18:56,755 Speaker 1: where Joe Rogan and RFK Junior have teamed up. That 286 00:18:56,795 --> 00:19:00,235 Speaker 1: would be the bland leading the blind to demand that 287 00:19:00,315 --> 00:19:07,715 Speaker 1: the scientist and physician, doctor Peter Hotez debate them about 288 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:11,955 Speaker 1: something something vaccines. I mean, what are they debating about? 289 00:19:11,995 --> 00:19:14,275 Speaker 1: Am I missing something? What is the debate Rogan and 290 00:19:14,395 --> 00:19:18,635 Speaker 1: RFK Junior want to have? How their predictions of mass 291 00:19:18,795 --> 00:19:22,515 Speaker 1: deaths from COVID vaccinations not only have not come true, 292 00:19:22,555 --> 00:19:26,675 Speaker 1: but we're only off by about oh approximately, rounding up 293 00:19:26,715 --> 00:19:31,995 Speaker 1: to the nearest number completely. How the vaccine worked so well, 294 00:19:32,675 --> 00:19:38,275 Speaker 1: How people who are vaccinated don't die from the COVID anything. No, no, 295 00:19:38,515 --> 00:19:42,355 Speaker 1: that's not it. How unlike what poor Kennedy keeps saying 296 00:19:42,355 --> 00:19:44,355 Speaker 1: about how vaccines are the only drugs that don't have 297 00:19:44,395 --> 00:19:46,795 Speaker 1: to be tested. I mean, they even got in a 298 00:19:46,915 --> 00:19:49,715 Speaker 1: significant test of the COVID vaccine before giving it to 299 00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:51,675 Speaker 1: the rest of us. I mean, what is the debate 300 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:56,355 Speaker 1: about that Rogan is brain damaged, That RFK Junior is 301 00:19:56,355 --> 00:20:00,475 Speaker 1: a sick man. Do you know RFK Junior. I've known 302 00:20:00,515 --> 00:20:03,675 Speaker 1: him for twenty years because I questioned some of the 303 00:20:03,755 --> 00:20:06,915 Speaker 1: terrorism lockdown in Ohio during the two thousand and four 304 00:20:06,995 --> 00:20:09,955 Speaker 1: presidential election. He called me up. He told me I 305 00:20:10,115 --> 00:20:13,155 Speaker 1: was his hero, which is a startling thing to hear 306 00:20:13,195 --> 00:20:16,915 Speaker 1: from the son of Robert F. Kennedy. But since then 307 00:20:16,995 --> 00:20:21,155 Speaker 1: I have watched with deep sadness as his cheese has slowly, 308 00:20:21,275 --> 00:20:26,875 Speaker 1: but without interruption, slid completely off his cracker every day since. 309 00:20:28,435 --> 00:20:32,235 Speaker 1: Mark Cuban may have summed this nonsense up best quote, Joe, 310 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:35,955 Speaker 1: you and Elon Musk's Twitter are the mainstream online media, 311 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:39,835 Speaker 1: and your platforms have become everything supposedly wrong with MSM. 312 00:20:40,355 --> 00:20:43,475 Speaker 1: You are driven by self interest. Don't lie to yourselves 313 00:20:43,515 --> 00:20:45,515 Speaker 1: and all of us and tell us you are different. 314 00:20:46,035 --> 00:20:50,315 Speaker 1: You aren't. Unquote and jeez, Rogan, if you want to 315 00:20:50,315 --> 00:20:53,355 Speaker 1: debate debate another doctor about whether or not you should 316 00:20:53,395 --> 00:21:09,995 Speaker 1: get checked out right away for CTE. Thank you, Nancy 317 00:21:10,075 --> 00:21:14,715 Speaker 1: Faus Dateline the Pentagon. Yes, it's true. The military's equivalent 318 00:21:14,715 --> 00:21:17,515 Speaker 1: of the Secret Service is in fact protecting current and 319 00:21:17,595 --> 00:21:24,995 Speaker 1: former top ranking officers from quote, assassination, kidnapping, injury, or embarrassment. 320 00:21:26,835 --> 00:21:32,275 Speaker 1: Wait what kind of embarrassment? Smelly feet the website the 321 00:21:32,355 --> 00:21:36,755 Speaker 1: intercept uncovered an Army procurement document indicating that the Army's 322 00:21:37,115 --> 00:21:44,355 Speaker 1: Protective Services Battalion is protecting the brass from mean tweets 323 00:21:45,395 --> 00:21:51,315 Speaker 1: and other social media insults. Well, general, then don't dance 324 00:21:51,395 --> 00:21:53,555 Speaker 1: on TikTok, and they will not make fun of you 325 00:21:53,715 --> 00:22:10,675 Speaker 1: on TikTok. And there's one more half news, half worst 326 00:22:10,795 --> 00:22:15,435 Speaker 1: person's kind of story, and it's also a tease. The 327 00:22:15,515 --> 00:22:19,075 Speaker 1: Smart Maatic Companies two point seven billion dollar defamation lawsuit 328 00:22:19,075 --> 00:22:22,795 Speaker 1: against Fox and Maria Bartiromo and Rudy Giuliani and Janine 329 00:22:22,835 --> 00:22:27,755 Speaker 1: Piro and Lou Dobbs. Smart Mattic has now subpoenaed Lou 330 00:22:27,835 --> 00:22:34,275 Speaker 1: Dobbs's wife, Debbie Nay Debbie Sigura, Debbie Sigura Dobbs Nay 331 00:22:34,515 --> 00:22:39,035 Speaker 1: CNN sportscaster Debbie Sigura Nay CNN sportscaster Debbie Siegura, who 332 00:22:39,115 --> 00:22:41,355 Speaker 1: had to leave town one day in a big hurry 333 00:22:41,395 --> 00:22:43,995 Speaker 1: forty two years ago this summer, so CNN had to 334 00:22:43,995 --> 00:22:47,755 Speaker 1: try out a radio sportscaster with no TV experience. Me. 335 00:22:49,755 --> 00:22:52,435 Speaker 1: All I know about today's Debbie story is the subpoena 336 00:22:52,515 --> 00:22:56,115 Speaker 1: demands a vast array of documents and communications from September 337 00:22:56,155 --> 00:23:00,515 Speaker 1: twenty twenty through April twenty twenty one. But I know 338 00:23:00,595 --> 00:23:02,235 Speaker 1: lots more about the day I had to fill in 339 00:23:02,315 --> 00:23:05,675 Speaker 1: for her. Up next in things I promised not to tell. First, 340 00:23:05,715 --> 00:23:07,835 Speaker 1: the daily roundup of the mis grants, morons and Dunning, 341 00:23:07,875 --> 00:23:12,435 Speaker 1: kruegerriffc specimens who constitute today's worst persons in the world. 342 00:23:13,315 --> 00:23:16,755 Speaker 1: The Bronze, the former Milwaukee sheriff, remember him, the idiot 343 00:23:16,795 --> 00:23:19,155 Speaker 1: and a cowboy hat that's like six sizes too big 344 00:23:19,195 --> 00:23:22,115 Speaker 1: for him. David Clark, he's now trying to get the 345 00:23:22,155 --> 00:23:25,315 Speaker 1: GOP nomination for the Senate from Wisconsin. And if you 346 00:23:25,395 --> 00:23:29,355 Speaker 1: need another reason to hate his stinking guts, Clark has 347 00:23:29,395 --> 00:23:32,435 Speaker 1: told a conservative radio show that everybody needs to stop 348 00:23:32,515 --> 00:23:36,635 Speaker 1: with the self righteousness about the Saudi government killing Jamal 349 00:23:36,715 --> 00:23:41,435 Speaker 1: Koshogi of the Washington Post because, says fewer Clark, Kashoki 350 00:23:41,595 --> 00:23:44,475 Speaker 1: wasn't a journalist, just a writer, and that Kashoki was 351 00:23:44,555 --> 00:23:49,795 Speaker 1: quote playing the terrorist side and the American side unquote. 352 00:23:50,875 --> 00:23:53,155 Speaker 1: Just remember these are the Saudis who also just bought 353 00:23:53,195 --> 00:23:57,675 Speaker 1: American golf out from under this country. The Bronze Kurt Shilling, 354 00:23:57,715 --> 00:24:01,115 Speaker 1: the only man who's talked himself off the Philadelphia Phillies 355 00:24:01,155 --> 00:24:03,835 Speaker 1: at the beast of his teammates, then talked himself out 356 00:24:03,835 --> 00:24:06,755 Speaker 1: of Major League base then talked himself out of government 357 00:24:06,795 --> 00:24:10,955 Speaker 1: supported video games, then talked himself out of baseball broadcasting, 358 00:24:11,395 --> 00:24:14,795 Speaker 1: then talked himself out of baseball broadcasting again, then talked 359 00:24:14,835 --> 00:24:18,075 Speaker 1: himself out of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Apparently reduced 360 00:24:18,075 --> 00:24:22,395 Speaker 1: to drawing occasional checks from Glenn Beck's Blaze TV. What 361 00:24:22,515 --> 00:24:27,755 Speaker 1: did I say about Blaze TV? Flee Shilling went on 362 00:24:27,875 --> 00:24:31,915 Speaker 1: Fox to talk about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence who 363 00:24:31,995 --> 00:24:34,595 Speaker 1: appeared at Dodger Stadium in LA on Friday night, and 364 00:24:34,635 --> 00:24:37,995 Speaker 1: basically he called for some sort of organized repression of 365 00:24:38,035 --> 00:24:41,595 Speaker 1: them while dancing around, actually suggesting it was time for 366 00:24:41,675 --> 00:24:46,275 Speaker 1: conservatives to start firing guns at the Sisters of Perpetual 367 00:24:46,315 --> 00:24:51,955 Speaker 1: Indulgence and other liberals. Shillings quote, you look at the guys, 368 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:54,955 Speaker 1: the young men that signed the Constitution and all the 369 00:24:54,995 --> 00:24:57,555 Speaker 1: things that they sacrificed everything to come out from under 370 00:24:57,595 --> 00:25:00,235 Speaker 1: a tyrannical government. And then eventually, at some point there 371 00:25:00,275 --> 00:25:01,955 Speaker 1: was a man at conquered who decided he was going 372 00:25:01,995 --> 00:25:06,915 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger and finished school. And I feel 373 00:25:06,915 --> 00:25:08,955 Speaker 1: like We're getting back to a point where somebody's going 374 00:25:08,995 --> 00:25:11,075 Speaker 1: to have to pull a trigger, because everything we hold dear, 375 00:25:11,115 --> 00:25:14,235 Speaker 1: everything this country was founded on, is being just dragged 376 00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:17,115 Speaker 1: through the mud and mocked and made fun of. Shilling 377 00:25:17,195 --> 00:25:21,795 Speaker 1: then insisted he meant pulling the trigger metaphorically. Apart from 378 00:25:21,795 --> 00:25:26,675 Speaker 1: the really bad history there, who fired it conquered kids 379 00:25:26,715 --> 00:25:30,995 Speaker 1: signed the constitution anyway. A couple of additional things. Several 380 00:25:31,035 --> 00:25:35,355 Speaker 1: of Shilling's fellow fascists, like Ron DeSantis, saw video from 381 00:25:35,395 --> 00:25:38,715 Speaker 1: that pregame ceremony with the drag nuns at Dodger Stadium 382 00:25:38,755 --> 00:25:41,555 Speaker 1: Friday night, and they saw the sparse crowd in the video, 383 00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:44,875 Speaker 1: and they concluded their boycott of the Dodgers had worked 384 00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:46,995 Speaker 1: and the Dodgers are about to go out of business. 385 00:25:47,595 --> 00:25:51,315 Speaker 1: DeSantis said, quote, the virtually empty stadium for the game 386 00:25:51,355 --> 00:25:54,675 Speaker 1: itself was a powerful image. Unquote, he added, could you 387 00:25:54,715 --> 00:25:58,315 Speaker 1: lower the microphone. I'm a little short, except, of course, 388 00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,435 Speaker 1: that video and the crowd wasn't for the game itself, 389 00:26:01,475 --> 00:26:03,675 Speaker 1: It was an hour or an hour and a half beforehand. 390 00:26:03,875 --> 00:26:07,555 Speaker 1: The Friday out at Dodger Stadium is also always late arriving. 391 00:26:07,595 --> 00:26:10,875 Speaker 1: It's la There are freeways by the third inning. They 392 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:13,915 Speaker 1: had the usual forty nine thousand fans at the game. 393 00:26:14,235 --> 00:26:18,235 Speaker 1: Nobody noticed the boycott. Rudy Giuliani said, don't go to 394 00:26:18,275 --> 00:26:21,315 Speaker 1: Dodger games. The Dodgers have decided to declare war on Christianity. 395 00:26:21,315 --> 00:26:24,715 Speaker 1: Forget the Dodgers. Rudy also says he's been boycotting the 396 00:26:24,835 --> 00:26:28,875 Speaker 1: Yankees since the Yankees supported Black Lives Matter. Yeah, he's 397 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:33,435 Speaker 1: been boycotting the Yankees since they stopped giving him free tickets. Anyway, 398 00:26:33,475 --> 00:26:37,235 Speaker 1: back to Shilling, there's long been something wrong with his brain, 399 00:26:37,795 --> 00:26:40,155 Speaker 1: and after the Dodger Stadium thing, he made some more 400 00:26:40,235 --> 00:26:42,715 Speaker 1: threats against me on Twitter, although I don't think he 401 00:26:42,755 --> 00:26:45,795 Speaker 1: repeated his favorite one that if we ever meet, he's 402 00:26:45,835 --> 00:26:48,075 Speaker 1: going to beat the hell out of me. And the 403 00:26:48,115 --> 00:26:51,155 Speaker 1: reason I don't worry about Kurt Shilling is a Yeah, 404 00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:53,195 Speaker 1: he's eight years younger than I am, but I'm bigger 405 00:26:53,235 --> 00:26:57,035 Speaker 1: than he is, and more importantly be We met in 406 00:26:57,115 --> 00:27:00,315 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three when he was pitching for the Philadelphia Phillies. 407 00:27:00,795 --> 00:27:02,595 Speaker 1: Kurt told me what a fan of mine he was, 408 00:27:02,675 --> 00:27:06,715 Speaker 1: and he didn't remember that and c We met again 409 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:08,835 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven when I was the host of 410 00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:12,275 Speaker 1: the World Series telecasts on NBC, and he was traveling 411 00:27:12,315 --> 00:27:15,995 Speaker 1: with us with Barry Larkin on NBC's first online World 412 00:27:16,035 --> 00:27:18,995 Speaker 1: Series team. We traveled together for a week. I gave 413 00:27:19,035 --> 00:27:20,915 Speaker 1: him a lot of broadcasting advice and he thanked me 414 00:27:20,955 --> 00:27:23,435 Speaker 1: for it. He doesn't remember that either, and then d 415 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:26,355 Speaker 1: We met another time in two thousand and seven when 416 00:27:26,355 --> 00:27:28,235 Speaker 1: I sat on the Red Sox bench during the spring 417 00:27:28,275 --> 00:27:30,795 Speaker 1: training game, and he told me he hated my politics 418 00:27:30,795 --> 00:27:32,715 Speaker 1: but was still a fan of my sports casting. So 419 00:27:32,875 --> 00:27:36,595 Speaker 1: if we ever do meet for the fourth time, I've 420 00:27:36,595 --> 00:27:39,075 Speaker 1: got a feeling Kurt Shilling will not know who I am, 421 00:27:39,995 --> 00:27:41,835 Speaker 1: and for that matter, he won't know who he is. 422 00:27:42,875 --> 00:27:46,955 Speaker 1: But our winner Jesse Waters, whose Fox hate fest Shilling 423 00:27:47,435 --> 00:27:50,275 Speaker 1: was on when he said all that conquered and trigger crab. 424 00:27:50,875 --> 00:27:53,515 Speaker 1: You know Waters, he's the diet version of Hannity, only 425 00:27:53,595 --> 00:27:57,035 Speaker 1: has the chia pet hair. He was nice enough to 426 00:27:57,075 --> 00:28:00,755 Speaker 1: share a solution to the homelessness problem, quoting Jesse Waters, 427 00:28:01,035 --> 00:28:03,315 Speaker 1: you have to stigmatize them, you have to call them 428 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,435 Speaker 1: what they are. These some of the people that have 429 00:28:05,515 --> 00:28:10,275 Speaker 1: failed in life and they're on their deathbed unquote gosh, 430 00:28:10,275 --> 00:28:13,355 Speaker 1: a little Jesse failed in life and are on their deathbed. 431 00:28:13,955 --> 00:28:18,155 Speaker 1: I thought that was the Fox News primetime lineup, Jesse. 432 00:28:18,355 --> 00:28:21,315 Speaker 1: And by the way, his grandfather published Better Homes and Gardens, 433 00:28:21,315 --> 00:28:23,915 Speaker 1: So maybe that chia pet thing might be literally correct. 434 00:28:24,075 --> 00:28:42,155 Speaker 1: Waters Today's worst fison in the World just ahead. I 435 00:28:42,195 --> 00:28:45,955 Speaker 1: really don't know why Lou Dobbs's wife, Debbie has reportedly 436 00:28:45,995 --> 00:28:50,075 Speaker 1: been subpoened in the smartmatic voting machines lawsuit against Dobbs 437 00:28:50,075 --> 00:28:54,395 Speaker 1: and Bartiromo and Giuliani and Piro and Fox. But looks 438 00:28:54,435 --> 00:28:57,395 Speaker 1: like she has. Maybe while they're questioning her, they can 439 00:28:57,435 --> 00:28:59,075 Speaker 1: ask her about the last time Lou got her in 440 00:28:59,115 --> 00:29:00,875 Speaker 1: trouble and it led directly to the start of my 441 00:29:00,955 --> 00:29:05,515 Speaker 1: TV career. Thanks Lou, Thanks Debbie. Next. First, in each 442 00:29:05,675 --> 00:29:07,715 Speaker 1: edition of Countdown, we feature a dog in need you 443 00:29:07,755 --> 00:29:10,475 Speaker 1: can help. Every dog has its day. I did not 444 00:29:10,595 --> 00:29:12,835 Speaker 1: intend this to be only about the dogs on the 445 00:29:12,915 --> 00:29:15,595 Speaker 1: kill list at the New York Pound, but the wheels 446 00:29:15,595 --> 00:29:18,515 Speaker 1: have come off. They're dozens of dogs, dozens, and if 447 00:29:18,515 --> 00:29:22,635 Speaker 1: they are sick or scared, forget it. Dior is a 448 00:29:22,835 --> 00:29:26,075 Speaker 1: three year old grayish tan pity fifty five pounds, great 449 00:29:26,115 --> 00:29:28,275 Speaker 1: with people in kids, I mean two year old kids. 450 00:29:28,555 --> 00:29:32,395 Speaker 1: She likes cats, she doesn't like dogs, affectionate, well behaved 451 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:35,635 Speaker 1: at home facing death now because a couple broke up 452 00:29:35,675 --> 00:29:38,435 Speaker 1: and they use Dior as a pawn in the breakup, 453 00:29:38,475 --> 00:29:41,195 Speaker 1: and now she has pneumonia and they're not really treating it. 454 00:29:41,555 --> 00:29:43,875 Speaker 1: She can be adopted right now, or she needs a 455 00:29:43,915 --> 00:29:47,035 Speaker 1: rescue asap. So I need your pledges to help cover 456 00:29:47,115 --> 00:29:50,395 Speaker 1: the rescue's expenses. Look for Dior on my Twitter feeds 457 00:29:50,515 --> 00:29:53,875 Speaker 1: pledge if you can, or just retweet her I thank 458 00:29:53,915 --> 00:30:06,395 Speaker 1: you and Dior thanks you. Lou da was rumored to 459 00:30:06,395 --> 00:30:10,235 Speaker 1: be stepping out on his wife. I went to work 460 00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:15,915 Speaker 1: at Cable News Network CNN, then just starting its second 461 00:30:15,995 --> 00:30:18,755 Speaker 1: year on the air on the morning of Monday, August third, 462 00:30:18,875 --> 00:30:22,915 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, because lou Dobbs was rumored to be 463 00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:27,275 Speaker 1: stepping out on his wife. On my first day, my 464 00:30:27,395 --> 00:30:30,355 Speaker 1: first interview was with Joe Torre, who is still a friend. 465 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,115 Speaker 1: On my first day, I learned you have to take 466 00:30:33,155 --> 00:30:37,915 Speaker 1: the Lavalier microphone off your lapel before you walk away 467 00:30:37,995 --> 00:30:40,995 Speaker 1: from the camera. And on my first day, I learned 468 00:30:40,995 --> 00:30:45,595 Speaker 1: that if you are videotaping near airport radar, the cameraman 469 00:30:45,755 --> 00:30:50,835 Speaker 1: has to take steps to protect the camera, often with tinfoil. 470 00:30:51,395 --> 00:30:56,155 Speaker 1: Otherwise almost everything you record will have radar blips embedded 471 00:30:56,195 --> 00:30:59,795 Speaker 1: into it and be unusable. And I learned all this 472 00:30:59,995 --> 00:31:03,755 Speaker 1: all because Lou Dobbs was rumored to be stepping out 473 00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:08,955 Speaker 1: on his wife. So I was a radio sportscaster in 474 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,875 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, twenty two years old, and having already 475 00:31:11,915 --> 00:31:15,395 Speaker 1: moved from the United Press International Network, which I've mentioned before, 476 00:31:15,475 --> 00:31:18,875 Speaker 1: where my boss was, as I've also mentioned before, Sam Rosen, 477 00:31:19,115 --> 00:31:20,995 Speaker 1: who has been the play by play man of the 478 00:31:20,995 --> 00:31:23,795 Speaker 1: New York Rangers for most of the forty one years since, 479 00:31:24,315 --> 00:31:26,955 Speaker 1: and I moved from working for him to the much 480 00:31:26,995 --> 00:31:31,275 Speaker 1: better paying RKO Radio network, where my boss was Charlie Steiner, 481 00:31:31,555 --> 00:31:33,915 Speaker 1: who still does play by play of the Los Angeles 482 00:31:33,915 --> 00:31:38,235 Speaker 1: Dodgers games. But two years into my radio career, I 483 00:31:38,315 --> 00:31:42,075 Speaker 1: had almost topped out salary wise, and my ambitions had 484 00:31:42,075 --> 00:31:44,915 Speaker 1: always been to do TV anyway, I just wasn't sure 485 00:31:44,955 --> 00:31:48,435 Speaker 1: how to do it. Turned out my career was not 486 00:31:48,515 --> 00:31:51,275 Speaker 1: a question of my doing it. It was a question 487 00:31:51,435 --> 00:31:56,475 Speaker 1: of Lou Dobbs doing it. My alma mater, Cornell University, 488 00:31:56,515 --> 00:31:59,555 Speaker 1: had one of the best student radio stations in the world, 489 00:32:00,195 --> 00:32:04,275 Speaker 1: but the entire university offered one television course, and to 490 00:32:04,275 --> 00:32:06,435 Speaker 1: take it you had to rent the camera for fifty 491 00:32:06,475 --> 00:32:09,235 Speaker 1: dollars an hour, and it was black and white and 492 00:32:09,235 --> 00:32:12,395 Speaker 1: you needed three guys to lift it. So as well 493 00:32:12,395 --> 00:32:15,435 Speaker 1: as I had done starting in network radio in New 494 00:32:15,515 --> 00:32:19,395 Speaker 1: York straight out of college, I was somewhat stymied ree TV. 495 00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:22,395 Speaker 1: One local news director offered me the chance to have 496 00:32:22,435 --> 00:32:24,955 Speaker 1: a kind of audition at his station, but that never 497 00:32:25,035 --> 00:32:29,915 Speaker 1: worked out. The lou Dobbs thing worked out. I actually 498 00:32:29,955 --> 00:32:33,755 Speaker 1: interviewed with Cable News Network twice, once in April nineteen 499 00:32:33,795 --> 00:32:35,675 Speaker 1: eighty when they were not on the air yet, and 500 00:32:35,755 --> 00:32:38,395 Speaker 1: I saw no reason they ever would be. Because the 501 00:32:38,435 --> 00:32:42,555 Speaker 1: New York bureau consisted of one coffee table, one coffee machine, 502 00:32:43,115 --> 00:32:48,995 Speaker 1: one stairwell, one unisex bathroom, and one staffer, the bureau chief, 503 00:32:49,355 --> 00:32:53,275 Speaker 1: Mary Alice Williams. Plus the day I went there, CNN 504 00:32:53,355 --> 00:32:57,035 Speaker 1: Sports president Bill McPhail up from Atlanta, was visiting, so 505 00:32:57,115 --> 00:33:01,835 Speaker 1: it was technically two staffers. After a long year, my 506 00:33:01,995 --> 00:33:04,355 Speaker 1: phone rang one day and McPhail asked me to fill 507 00:33:04,355 --> 00:33:07,355 Speaker 1: in for two weeks in two weeks for their New 508 00:33:07,435 --> 00:33:11,355 Speaker 1: York sports reporter. She was going on vacation August third, sooner. 509 00:33:11,475 --> 00:33:14,995 Speaker 1: McPhail added, if the baseball strike ended before then, her 510 00:33:15,075 --> 00:33:18,595 Speaker 1: name was Debbie Sigura, and all I knew was vacation. 511 00:33:19,035 --> 00:33:22,635 Speaker 1: Turned out it was part vacation, part get out of 512 00:33:22,675 --> 00:33:27,755 Speaker 1: town quickly, very very quickly. See when CNN started, it 513 00:33:27,835 --> 00:33:32,395 Speaker 1: wasn't just news, news and commentary and opinion shows. There 514 00:33:32,475 --> 00:33:35,955 Speaker 1: was a half hour business show every night, and a 515 00:33:36,035 --> 00:33:38,755 Speaker 1: half hour sports cast at seven point thirty and another 516 00:33:38,795 --> 00:33:42,915 Speaker 1: one at eleven, and a fashion program, and hourly stock 517 00:33:42,995 --> 00:33:47,515 Speaker 1: reports and meteorologists and short sports casts. And the business 518 00:33:47,555 --> 00:33:50,035 Speaker 1: anchor based in the New York bureau in the World 519 00:33:50,075 --> 00:33:53,635 Speaker 1: Trade Center was Lou Dobbs, and as the producer they 520 00:33:53,675 --> 00:33:55,835 Speaker 1: had sent up to work with me. Phil Griffin later, 521 00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:59,275 Speaker 1: the president of MSNBC, explained to me when we got 522 00:33:59,315 --> 00:34:01,075 Speaker 1: in the car to go out to Shaye Stadium to 523 00:34:01,115 --> 00:34:07,195 Speaker 1: interview all those Mets guys forty two years ago, Lou 524 00:34:07,275 --> 00:34:09,635 Speaker 1: Dobbs was rumored to be stepping out on his wife 525 00:34:09,995 --> 00:34:14,755 Speaker 1: with the CNN New York sports reporter, Debbie and missus 526 00:34:14,795 --> 00:34:17,835 Speaker 1: Dobbs had found out, and there was even another rumor 527 00:34:17,875 --> 00:34:20,035 Speaker 1: there was somebody else who also worked in the CNN 528 00:34:20,075 --> 00:34:24,075 Speaker 1: New York bureau and thus Bill mcphale's hurried call asking 529 00:34:24,115 --> 00:34:26,355 Speaker 1: me to fill in for her for two weeks. In 530 00:34:26,435 --> 00:34:32,595 Speaker 1: two weeks because she was going on quote vacation unquote. 531 00:34:33,035 --> 00:34:37,835 Speaker 1: Dobbs and the first missus Dobbs eventually split, but apparently 532 00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:42,115 Speaker 1: the ill will persisted. Everybody decided it would be better 533 00:34:42,155 --> 00:34:45,395 Speaker 1: off for all concerned if Dobbs and Debbie Sigura, or 534 00:34:45,635 --> 00:34:48,715 Speaker 1: she was then called behind her back Debbie does Dobbs 535 00:34:49,515 --> 00:34:51,715 Speaker 1: if all of them and most of the New York 536 00:34:51,755 --> 00:34:56,715 Speaker 1: Bureau business staff moved to CNN headquarters in Atlanta. This 537 00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:58,995 Speaker 1: left New York without a sports reporter, and they tried 538 00:34:58,995 --> 00:35:00,955 Speaker 1: another one of the Atlanta anchors for a while, but 539 00:35:00,995 --> 00:35:03,795 Speaker 1: they kept giving him extra vacation time, so they would 540 00:35:03,875 --> 00:35:06,155 Speaker 1: have to bring me in freelance every month, and finally 541 00:35:06,195 --> 00:35:08,275 Speaker 1: the following March they offered me the job full time. 542 00:35:08,755 --> 00:35:12,355 Speaker 1: And I have not earned an honest paycheck since, and 543 00:35:12,435 --> 00:35:15,035 Speaker 1: I mean that in two ways. They were paying me 544 00:35:15,155 --> 00:35:18,355 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a week, which was about forty percent 545 00:35:18,515 --> 00:35:21,635 Speaker 1: less than what I made for like three days a 546 00:35:21,675 --> 00:35:27,555 Speaker 1: week in radio. I pointed this out acceptingly. I was 547 00:35:27,715 --> 00:35:31,435 Speaker 1: learning how to do TV while on TV and getting 548 00:35:31,435 --> 00:35:33,635 Speaker 1: paid for it, and that's when they told me that 549 00:35:33,675 --> 00:35:35,995 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a week was already more than they 550 00:35:35,995 --> 00:35:39,075 Speaker 1: were paying Debbie Sigura or the guy who was their 551 00:35:39,155 --> 00:35:43,355 Speaker 1: reporter in Los Angeles. And then Bill McPhail, the president, 552 00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:46,235 Speaker 1: called and offered me a contract for twenty five grand 553 00:35:46,515 --> 00:35:52,195 Speaker 1: and I said, wait, that's less. Why would it take less? 554 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:55,275 Speaker 1: Is there health insurance or something? And he said no, 555 00:35:55,795 --> 00:35:59,595 Speaker 1: there's just security. And I said, I'd rather have the 556 00:35:59,675 --> 00:36:02,835 Speaker 1: thousand dollars you just cut out of my salary, and 557 00:36:02,875 --> 00:36:04,995 Speaker 1: they found it somewhere. But they always reminded me how 558 00:36:05,075 --> 00:36:07,155 Speaker 1: generous they'd been and how many meetings they'd had to 559 00:36:07,195 --> 00:36:10,595 Speaker 1: have just to get me the thousand dollars back. I 560 00:36:10,595 --> 00:36:14,275 Speaker 1: didn't have to do much with Dobbs in New York, 561 00:36:14,795 --> 00:36:17,315 Speaker 1: but there is something about TV. Either it's a really 562 00:36:17,355 --> 00:36:19,955 Speaker 1: small world or the people in it will do anything 563 00:36:19,995 --> 00:36:23,275 Speaker 1: to stay in it. I might be an example of 564 00:36:23,315 --> 00:36:28,075 Speaker 1: the latter. When Dobbs moved to Atlanta, the guy who 565 00:36:28,155 --> 00:36:31,275 Speaker 1: stepped up to become CNN's number one business reporter in 566 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:35,035 Speaker 1: New York was named Stuart Varney, and he was great 567 00:36:35,075 --> 00:36:38,035 Speaker 1: to me. One night, our sports producer in Atlanta call 568 00:36:38,115 --> 00:36:40,955 Speaker 1: up around five and said congratulations, you get to do 569 00:36:40,995 --> 00:36:44,755 Speaker 1: a commentary on the seven tonight And I croaked what 570 00:36:45,395 --> 00:36:47,995 Speaker 1: and she said, yeah, you'll do it live. And I said, 571 00:36:48,475 --> 00:36:50,515 Speaker 1: I have no idea how to read a teleprompter, and 572 00:36:50,555 --> 00:36:55,195 Speaker 1: she said, better learn fast click, and I told Stu 573 00:36:55,315 --> 00:36:57,075 Speaker 1: and he taught me how to use a teleprompter in 574 00:36:57,155 --> 00:36:59,995 Speaker 1: like ten minutes, and I was always grateful. And then 575 00:36:59,995 --> 00:37:04,155 Speaker 1: he had some sort of religious conversion or a hit 576 00:37:04,195 --> 00:37:07,675 Speaker 1: his head on something or both, and he's still one 577 00:37:07,715 --> 00:37:12,235 Speaker 1: of the most virulent fascists on Fox Nudes. Anyway, Dobbs 578 00:37:12,235 --> 00:37:14,275 Speaker 1: and Debbie got married and lou settled in and as 579 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:17,235 Speaker 1: part of the deal, Debbie Siguri Dobbs became a CNN 580 00:37:17,275 --> 00:37:21,515 Speaker 1: sports anchor in Atlanta. Except while she could get through 581 00:37:21,555 --> 00:37:25,035 Speaker 1: those short three or four minutes sports updates she used 582 00:37:25,075 --> 00:37:27,755 Speaker 1: to do in New York, which I inherited during the 583 00:37:27,835 --> 00:37:31,755 Speaker 1: longer half hour and hour long shows, she could not 584 00:37:32,035 --> 00:37:36,995 Speaker 1: read the prompter to save her life. About two months 585 00:37:36,995 --> 00:37:39,675 Speaker 1: into her time in Atlanta came the night she got 586 00:37:39,755 --> 00:37:43,035 Speaker 1: so lost in the teleprompter that about twenty minutes in 587 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:48,955 Speaker 1: she got up and left the studio. Her boss by 588 00:37:48,995 --> 00:37:51,955 Speaker 1: this point, my boss, Bill McPhail, had to take her 589 00:37:51,995 --> 00:37:54,755 Speaker 1: off the longer shows and return her to doing those 590 00:37:54,795 --> 00:37:57,235 Speaker 1: three minute updates in the middle of the afternoon. She 591 00:37:57,355 --> 00:38:01,915 Speaker 1: was secretly relieved her husband, Lou Dobbs, who started my 592 00:38:01,995 --> 00:38:04,275 Speaker 1: TV career because he was rumored to be stepping out 593 00:38:04,275 --> 00:38:08,155 Speaker 1: on his first wife. He was not relieved. He promptly 594 00:38:08,235 --> 00:38:11,835 Speaker 1: went into Bill mcphie's office and challenged him to a fistfight. 595 00:38:12,595 --> 00:38:15,355 Speaker 1: I have looked this up on the internet. The day 596 00:38:15,395 --> 00:38:19,155 Speaker 1: this happened, Lou Dobbs was thirty six years old and 597 00:38:19,235 --> 00:38:25,395 Speaker 1: Bill McPhail was sixty one. Debbie's TV career ended not 598 00:38:25,515 --> 00:38:31,675 Speaker 1: long after as mine began. She went into horses equestrian stuff. Ultimately, 599 00:38:31,715 --> 00:38:33,835 Speaker 1: she and Dobbs made it back to the New York Bureau. 600 00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:36,875 Speaker 1: I worked with him again in two thousand and one. 601 00:38:37,115 --> 00:38:42,115 Speaker 1: Two He deteriorated into a running joke spewing anti immigrant 602 00:38:42,155 --> 00:38:45,515 Speaker 1: and anti Latino bile while she raised their family in 603 00:38:45,555 --> 00:38:47,995 Speaker 1: New Jersey and the rest of us marveled that Lou 604 00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:52,555 Speaker 1: and his Latino family made millions off his anti Latino bile. 605 00:38:53,635 --> 00:38:57,355 Speaker 1: Jersey was where Debbie Sigura Dobbs was On Tuesday January 606 00:38:57,355 --> 00:39:00,075 Speaker 1: twenty second, two thousand and three, when she tried to 607 00:39:00,115 --> 00:39:03,035 Speaker 1: board a flight for Florida at Newark Airport and a 608 00:39:03,035 --> 00:39:08,075 Speaker 1: TSA agent found a loaded gun in her handbag. She 609 00:39:08,275 --> 00:39:10,795 Speaker 1: was arrested, released on bail. I never did hear what 610 00:39:10,875 --> 00:39:13,995 Speaker 1: happened to that charge. It carried the possibility of prison 611 00:39:14,035 --> 00:39:16,675 Speaker 1: that clearly did not happen. Can't find anything in the 612 00:39:16,675 --> 00:39:20,995 Speaker 1: newspaper archives or anywhere online. But Dobbs later explained the 613 00:39:20,995 --> 00:39:24,995 Speaker 1: whole thing. It was all a misunderstanding. He said that 614 00:39:25,115 --> 00:39:28,395 Speaker 1: loaded gun had been in his wife's handbag since the 615 00:39:28,435 --> 00:39:33,635 Speaker 1: previous autumn, and she'd just forgotten about it. Although exactly 616 00:39:33,755 --> 00:39:50,715 Speaker 1: what that explained I still haven't figured out. I've done 617 00:39:50,715 --> 00:39:52,835 Speaker 1: all the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. 618 00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:55,275 Speaker 1: Here are the credits. Most of the music arranged, produced 619 00:39:55,315 --> 00:39:58,235 Speaker 1: and performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Chanel, who 620 00:39:58,275 --> 00:40:01,675 Speaker 1: are the Countdown musical directors. All orchestration and keyboards by 621 00:40:01,755 --> 00:40:05,475 Speaker 1: John Phillip Shanel, guitars, bass and drums by Brian Ray, 622 00:40:05,915 --> 00:40:09,395 Speaker 1: and it was produced by Tko Brothers. Other Beethoven selections 623 00:40:09,395 --> 00:40:12,075 Speaker 1: have been arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed. 624 00:40:12,515 --> 00:40:15,355 Speaker 1: The sports music is the Olderman theme from ESPN two. 625 00:40:15,795 --> 00:40:18,755 Speaker 1: It was written by Mitch Warren Davis Curtisy of ESPN, inc. 626 00:40:19,355 --> 00:40:23,035 Speaker 1: Musical comments by Nancy Faust. The best baseball stadium organist ever. 627 00:40:23,355 --> 00:40:26,875 Speaker 1: Our announcer today was my friend John Dean. Everything else 628 00:40:26,955 --> 00:40:29,475 Speaker 1: is pretty much my fault. So that's countdown for this, 629 00:40:29,515 --> 00:40:32,195 Speaker 1: the eight hundred and ninety fifth day since Donald Trump's 630 00:40:32,195 --> 00:40:35,435 Speaker 1: first attempted coup against the democratically elected government of the 631 00:40:35,515 --> 00:40:40,915 Speaker 1: United States. Arrest him now while we still can again. 632 00:40:41,675 --> 00:40:44,235 Speaker 1: The next schedule countdown is tomorrow till then on Keith Olderman. 633 00:40:44,315 --> 00:40:57,355 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight, and good luck. Countdown with 634 00:40:57,515 --> 00:41:01,755 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. 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