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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. We are experiencing technical difficulties. This is

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Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Well, if we have reached the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: so that means it's time to go through the best episodes.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you may have miss, stuff that I think you'll like.

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Speaker 2: It's the top ten Bobby Casts of the year. These

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Speaker 2: were either the most downloaded episodes or they had the

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Speaker 2: most interaction on social media from you guys. I was

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Speaker 2: able to sit down with some really cool people. Are

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Speaker 2: conversations a lot of times are raw and real, also

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Speaker 2: a lot of laughs, some very vulnerable moments as well.

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Speaker 2: And let's kick it off now at number ten Don Felder,

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Speaker 2: formerly of the Eagles, which was pretty crazy to sit

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Speaker 2: down with one of the guys that was one of

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Speaker 2: the Eagles and wrote Hotel California, and he talked about that,

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Speaker 2: and he also talked about high wrote some of the

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Speaker 2: other hits. So at first, let's go Don Felder from

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Speaker 2: so four to seventy one. He comes in at number ten.

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Speaker 3: I met this guy named Stephen Stills who had left

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Speaker 3: somewhere in Florida there was a military academy like a

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Speaker 3: And this is way before he was Steven Stills, Like

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Speaker 3: you just met. That's just as a civilian, regular guy

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Speaker 3: you meet Steven Stills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: He and I and Tom Petty and Bernie Ledden all

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Speaker 3: before we got to high school, he was in Gainesville

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Speaker 3: and he played in this band with me called the Continentals,

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Speaker 3: which a continental That thing was like really cool, you know.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, so we started playing, but teen time dances,

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Speaker 4: It was just for the fun.

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Speaker 3: Of being on the stage in a pa and playing

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Speaker 3: and having a good time. But I think the first

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Speaker 3: time we got played Steven paid. Stephen and I got

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Speaker 3: in a car and my mom drove us to this

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Speaker 3: little women's organization tea party where they have those little

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Speaker 3: I would just play acoustic guitar for these women. I

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Speaker 3: think we got ten dollars or something. We made five

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Speaker 3: bucks apiece, you know, And from there it really wasn't

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Speaker 3: was just the love of playing and figuring out music

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Speaker 3: and how does this work, and how do you write songs?

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Speaker 3: And how do you know? I would get Mill Bay

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Speaker 3: guitar books and learn chords from El Bay and just

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Speaker 2: At what point, because you're talking about three absolute hall

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Speaker 2: of famers, not even just like traditional sense rock and

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Speaker 2: anything musically with Steven Stills and Tom Petty and yourself.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys all know you want to do it solo?

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Speaker 2: Why'd you break up the band? Like that? Feels like

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Speaker 3: Well, Steven left as soon as he graduated from high school.

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Speaker 3: He was one year ahead of me. He left and

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Speaker 3: moved to California, and I didn't see him until quite

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Speaker 3: Was it to do music though?

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Speaker 4: When he left?

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Speaker 2: Was he like, I'm gonna go do music or was

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Speaker 3: He knew that was his destiny. He got out to California.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't happening in the Southeast, it wasn't happening in

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Speaker 3: magnificently drawn out to California. And the next time I

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Speaker 3: and the radio was on and I heard For what

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Speaker 3: I know who is that? And they said it was

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Speaker 3: I actually saw him physically, he was on stage at

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Speaker 3: Woodstock and I was in the crowd and I went,

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Speaker 3: that's Stephen. Still, what'stock?

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Speaker 2: So you were there watching, Yeah, and you see your

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Speaker 4: What'stock?

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Speaker 1: That's right? That's crazy?

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Speaker 4: Was Whatstock for you as a fan?

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Speaker 2: Was it like wild and muddy and everything that we

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Speaker 3: I had enough fourth site to actually have gone to

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Speaker 3: it was just great because I saw some of the

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Speaker 3: most important, I think influential musicians in the history of rock.

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Speaker 3: I saw Jimmy Hendricks, I saw Carlos Santana, saw Crosby Stills,

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Speaker 3: job for three solid days. It was probably the best

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Speaker 3: music event that ever exploded on the planet. It just

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Speaker 3: resonated all over the world. And as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: about how that event went on to influence decades after decades,

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Speaker 3: after decades of young people that love rock and roll

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Speaker 3: title of my last album, And that song is about

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Speaker 3: being at Woodstock and seeing the beginning of it.

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Speaker 2: When you were at Woodstock and you're watching these great

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Speaker 2: artists and you're inspired, but you were in the midst

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Speaker 2: same time. Did you have a healthy professional jealousy or

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Speaker 3: Be up there, this sucks. I would say both. It

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Speaker 3: If I was spoking, I was pretty mellow about it.

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Speaker 2: See, I think I would have been completely jealous the

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Speaker 2: whole time. But that's really cool that, like, you turn

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Speaker 2: Man, I just think about how muddy it was, and

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Speaker 5: You know, I always hear about the California sound. Back then,

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because there was nobody except for Bernie Leaden

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Speaker 3: Glenn was from Detroit. There was nobody in the band

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you embraced it.

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Speaker 2: You felt like, even though you know, not really a

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Speaker 3: Well, we were making music in California, you know. So

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Speaker 3: even before I joined at Bernie Leden was a brilliantly

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Speaker 3: So there was the birth of what I thought was

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Speaker 3: Wanted to move from country rock to more midstream AM

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Speaker 4: How was it joining a group that was already a group?

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Speaker 4: What's that dynamic like?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was interesting because Bernie and I had been

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Speaker 3: I'd known him for a long time and he had

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Speaker 3: Bernie eventually did quit during the one of These Nights records.

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Speaker 3: I think both. I think there were egos involved. I

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Speaker 3: And when Bernie left, they chose to get Joe in

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Speaker 3: I had already been doing that stuff. So when that

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Speaker 3: He's an English literature major and it shows in this writing.

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Speaker 6: We used to One of the guys I used to

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Speaker 2: And you know that are you feeling Are you feeling

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Speaker 6: There's no way I could put it into words to

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Speaker 6: And that sucked ass because I was on about a

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Speaker 6: Hey man, what the fuck? What am I drinking tonight?

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Speaker 4: Do you have a drink wine?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I love wine.

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Speaker 2: Are people will like, why are you drinking wine? Your

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm a well rounded drinker.

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Speaker 4: I would just be like answer, shardon a.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure, mister Austin, I've.

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Speaker 6: Been around for so long. Now I'll make a post

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Speaker 6: on instagrams, Oh man, you better wantch you live. He

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Speaker 6: you've been drinking like motherfucker. I take care of myself.

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Speaker 6: I ran hard when I was in the wrestling game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just fire a waiter.

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Speaker 4: Are you sure they bring them a beer? Anyway?

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Speaker 6: Whine is good, man, Wine is good after a race

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Speaker 4: The hey Zema with a job.

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Speaker 6: That was the thing when it first came out. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: well they're still around.

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Speaker 5: I'm just kidding you were you were in a few

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Speaker 6: I always tell people that's the nicest guy I ever

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Speaker 6: Adam Sandler was the funniest, nicest guy I've ever worked with,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna mention any names. I don't expect you

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Speaker 6: Those were so few and far between. I always got

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they were stylistically so different.

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Speaker 2: Who in your career. And I tell you why I

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Speaker 2: So you got the belts as Stunning Steve. And I

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Speaker 2: When you came up and the first time you got

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Speaker 6: Well, I was wrestling with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and

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Speaker 2: The question, like, who did you get to work with me?

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Speaker 6: I looked up, well, Rick Flair because people kind of

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Speaker 6: down to WCW. You know, I was kind of modeling

439
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 6: my style after Rick because to me, he had the

440
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 6: ultimate pro wrestling style. And I'll never forget. We were

441
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 6: at a TV tape and down there South Carolina or

442
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 6: somewhere like that, and it was me, Rick and somebody

443
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 6: against three other guys, and I'm thinking, man, I'm gonna

444
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 6: show this motherfucker what's up. And all of a sudden

445
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 6: Rick tags in and I see him go to work.

446
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 6: Of course, I'm a lifelong fan. And when you're standing

447
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 6: on an apron and you're watching a guy, and that

448
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 6: was at eighteen by eighteen ring in WCW, but all

449
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 6: of a sudden, when you're watching the man do his thing,

450
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 6: you're like, fuck this, I got a long way to go.

451
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 6: But it was awesome to be in a ring with

452
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 6: him because it was like a head's up called like,

453
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 6: okay man, this is kind of you need to step

454
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 6: up your game a whole lot more than you thought

455
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 6: you did. And I would never say that I ever

456
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 6: reached Rick Flair status in the ring at all, because

457
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 6: I consider him the goat. But we're working with a

458
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 6: guy like that, Hey Morgan, with Ravishing, Rick Rude. But

459
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 6: working with any of those guys that had any names

460
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 6: was always fun to me. But also, yeah, I really

461
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 6: didn't look at it like that way. After a few

462
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 6: years in the business, or even after a few months

463
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 6: in the business, you're just saying, okay, man, these guys

464
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 6: are just just like me. It might be more well known,

465
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 6: but there's really it's not a big deal.

466
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Speaker 1: Hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back.

467
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Speaker 9: Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

468
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Speaker 2: We have Sarah Evans at number eight. Super successful career,

469
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Speaker 2: super public life, but in the midst of it, she

470
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Speaker 2: was dealing with some really difficult things and she talked

471
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Speaker 2: about that. Here's Sarah Evans, we have her at number eight.

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Speaker 2: It's from episode four forty two.

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Speaker 7: My life has been on display since I got my

474
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 7: record deal with our at twenty four and I went

475
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 7: through a very public divorce after having three small children.

476
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 7: My baby wasn't even a year old when I filed

477
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 7: for divorce. I was on Dancing with the Stars during

478
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 7: that time. So my life has always been a very

479
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 7: open book and in some ways, but then in some

480
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 7: ways I've been able to maintain some privacy. A lot

481
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 7: of that is because we raised the kids in Birmingham, Alabama,

482
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 7: in Mountain Brook, which is a close to Birmingham. So

483
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 7: I divorced my first husband. That was so public. There

484
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 7: were so many lies told and just you know how

485
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 7: it goes, I mean, rumors and people think they know.

486
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 7: And so then I Mary Jay. We had a really

487
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 7: really fast courtship. You know, we fell head over hills,

488
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 7: madly in love, so much passion, so much you know,

489
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 7: love for each other and just you're my best friend,

490
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 7: You're my person, and I just couldn't believe that I

491
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 7: that that had happened to me because I also spent

492
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 7: my childhood from age twelve on chasing after my father

493
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 7: because he was a great person but a terrible divorced dad.

494
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 7: And so I definitely have you know, quote daddy issues,

495
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 7: and so I'm always thinking wrongly about what love is

496
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 7: and what I deserve. Also being one of seven kids

497
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 7: and being the one who made it when all my

498
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 7: siblings are musically talented, they're great. I've always had a

499
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 7: sense of guilt that I carry for why did I

500
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 7: get rich? Why did I get famous? Why did I

501
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 7: and not my siblings? But at the same time, I'm

502
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 7: the one who worked my ass for it?

503
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 4: Right yeah? Yeah?

504
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 10: Left home me. That's what WARNI flies about.

505
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 7: That song is about me leaving home and loving my

506
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 7: home but knowing that I've got to leave my family

507
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 7: come here and do this. And one brother that came

508
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 7: with me and he became just as successful as a musician.

509
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 7: So so there's all that going on in my head.

510
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 7: I meet Jay and he is so attentive, he's so

511
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 7: you know, buying me gifts all the time, and and

512
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 7: like I said, our courtship was very fast.

513
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 10: We our first date was October.

514
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 7: Third, and we were married in June of that same

515
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 7: year of two thousand and eight. So there's a song

516
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 7: on the album called Mask where I talk about you know,

517
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 7: you weren't him, meaning you weren't my ex husband. So

518
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 7: that's what drew me because you were the opposite of that.

519
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 7: What happened is Jay he has his own set of

520
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 7: issues like we all do, you know, psychologically, And so

521
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 7: I grew up very old fashioned, like I said, on

522
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 7: a farm in Missouri, where you know, women are submissive

523
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 7: to their husbands, women do all the you know, in

524
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 7: domestic where although my mother worked out on the farm

525
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 7: as well, on a tractor all the time. But my granny,

526
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 7: for instance, who was my idol, was just do over

527
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 7: my papa and all of us. And so that's what

528
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 7: I grew up thinking. You know, you've got to be

529
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 7: this way. And I also enjoy that because it's a

530
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 7: good juxtaposition of being famous and then.

531
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Speaker 4: Like now you enjoy it because it's so crazy on

532
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: one side that you need that balance. Yeah, then your

533
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: only model was that, It sounds like growing up that

534
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: was the only model you knew that.

535
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 10: Was the only model I knew.

536
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 7: Yes, and on the road, if I wanted my tour

537
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 7: manager to find me a brown and white spotted cow

538
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 7: and sit it in front of the bus just so

539
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 7: I can look at it all day before my show, like,

540
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 7: he would have to do that.

541
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Speaker 4: A live one.

542
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 10: A live one, yeah, for sure, I wouldn't want to

543
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 10: be dead.

544
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: But no, like a plastic one. When I meant not

545
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: a dead one.

546
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 10: A real one.

547
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 4: I got a real cow.

548
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean whatever I wanted. If if I wanted

549
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 7: it to be plastic, he would have to do that.

550
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 7: Because I have a team, and so at home I

551
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 7: like to be like Hannah Montana. I'm handed Montana here,

552
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 7: but at home, I'm just Sarah and mom and wife.

553
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 7: And I think I have always felt the need to

554
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 7: really make up for, you know, being.

555
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 10: H being doted on the way I'm doted on.

556
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 9: Hank Tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back and

557
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 9: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

558
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 4: Do you feel guilty that you're so celebrated outwardly everywhere

559
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: people that don't really know you. They know a little

560
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: bit about you, but you know, you play a show.

561
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: It's happy for me. It was a struggle i'd play

562
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: a theater do stand up. I'll be like, I'm I'll

563
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: go back to my room by myself, and I'll be like, well,

564
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: I'm by myself. And this kind of sucks now, but

565
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: now at all. I got married two years ago now,

566
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: but now I have a wife, and like, I come

567
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: home and I got a freaking load the dishwasher and

568
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 4: I hate it. But at the same time, it actually

569
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: makes me value what's important, like the real Yeah, it's

570
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: like drags me back to the real things and helped

571
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: me evaluate life.

572
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 10: A little more exactly.

573
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: So you're you're dealing.

574
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 7: With that, yes, thinking, And you know Jay struggled with

575
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 7: so you know, he played football Alabama. He was the quarterback,

576
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 7: won the National Championship in ninety two, went on to

577
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 7: play in the NFL, played for the CFL. He's been

578
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 7: concussed severely.

579
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: Seven times that he knows about.

580
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 10: That he knows about twice where he was.

581
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: Be careful in that ches there twice.

582
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 10: Where he was unconscious. So and then he.

583
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 7: In the same way that I have father issues, he

584
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 7: also has mother issues. And his father passed away when

585
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 7: he was very young. When he was in the Columbine

586
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 7: actually for the NFL. His dad died of a heart attack.

587
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 7: His dad was his best friend, his like kind of

588
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 7: protector against everybody who wanted to get at him for

589
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 7: being the national championship quarterback at Alabama, which was like

590
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 7: Elvis down there. So when he met me and realized

591
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 7: that I was super submissive and you know, total family

592
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 7: woman and that the career was just my job, but

593
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 7: I didn't let it go to my head and all that,

594
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 7: he just you know, would brag on me and like,

595
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 7: you're the best mom I've ever met. I can't even

596
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 7: believe what a great mom you are. Your children are fabulous,

597
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 7: You're such a great person.

598
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 10: You're the best singer in the world.

599
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 7: Like just so you know, all all things that are true,

600
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 7: by the way, but he treated me like a queen.

601
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 7: And then and he had also never drank until he

602
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 7: was in his mid thirties, because when we were dating,

603
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 7: I was like, really, you've never drank. And I'm not

604
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 7: a big drinker, like my kids have never seen me drunk.

605
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 7: But I was like, well, what do you do at

606
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 7: the beach, Like that's weird and not go.

607
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: I've never had a drink. That's why I hate the beach.

608
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 7: You've never had a drink. You've never drank No, Okay,

609
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 7: that's how Jay was when we met.

610
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: And I hate the beach because what do I do

611
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: with the beach? Right, Yeah, maybe that's why I hate

612
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: the beach because I always like so much a light. Yeah,

613
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I've never had a drink of

614
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: alcohol because I come out come from drug abuse and

615
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: alcohol abuse, and I don't understand the beach. That makes

616
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: sense for the first time ever. Yeah, that's what you're

617
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: supposed to do. Yeah, drink.

618
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 10: We've made so many like.

619
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know we're we're best friends and we're best

620
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: frien Yeah.

621
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 10: Yeah they are. So I probably won't sue you now,

622
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 10: but anyway.

623
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: I'm still going to sue you for the chair though. Anyway,

624
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: go ahead, and yeah, I continue on.

625
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 7: So, then he tried alcohol, and alcohol was you know,

626
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 7: it isn't good for him. It does run in his

627
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 7: family mother's side, but he never experienced because his grandfather

628
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 7: passed away when Jay was really young, so he didn't

629
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 7: ever see that side of of his mom's dad being

630
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 7: abusive and being an alcoholic. So I think that and

631
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 7: Jay also has add really bad. Like I said, he's

632
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 7: been concussed so many times, so he I always say

633
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 7: that he's an amazing man who made some really really

634
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 7: bad decisions. So after a little while into our marriage,

635
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 7: abuse came into our marriage, and I didn't want to

636
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 7: put my kids through another divorce.

637
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 10: I was so in love with Jay, and.

638
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 7: It takes a long time before you realize what's going on,

639
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 7: like am.

640
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 10: I being abused? Or was that was that verbal abuse?

641
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 7: Or you know, you kind of but at the same time,

642
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 7: you know, you just kind of want to hope that

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 7: it changes. Or then I began what they call like

644
00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 7: managing his behavior, trying never to be you know, too

645
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: big for him, like as far as because I have

646
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 7: a big personality, and so I noticed a lot of

647
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 7: things about myself were changing to suit him and to

648
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 7: make sure that he was always happy with me.

649
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds a bit like you're falling into

650
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: a codependency place just so yes, you two could function

651
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: in your mind in the most healthy way.

652
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 10: That is exactly right.

653
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: I'm very codependent, and part of it is having six siblings.

654
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 7: So I've I've never been alone. I've never you know,

655
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 7: I don't think I've ever went through a time in

656
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 7: my life where I was sleeping alone or living alone

657
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Speaker 7: because it was either always a sibling or a spouse

658
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Speaker 7: and so and I got married very young the first time.

659
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Speaker 10: Anyway.

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Speaker 7: Uh So, once you really do realize, then the process

661
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Speaker 7: for me was I started reading everything about anything I

662
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 7: could get my hands on, like, you know, what does

663
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 7: this mean when this happens? And that really started getting

664
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 7: my mind going into you know, this is bad, like

665
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 7: what we're dealing with is bad. But it never ever

666
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 7: happened in front of anybody. The kids didn't know. He

667
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 7: never even so much as looked sideways at them, raised

668
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 7: his voice to them. He is an amazing father, and

669
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 7: he's an amazing husband, an amazing person. But alcohol, I

670
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 7: just don't think goes well with his chemistry, makeup or whatever.

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Speaker 2: At number seven Terry Clark. Now, this is episode four

672
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Speaker 2: thirty seven. Terry's really cool. One of my favorite nineties

673
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Speaker 2: country artists. We talked about over twenty years of music

674
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Speaker 2: that you know, she's been making it and she'd drive

675
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: from Canada to Nashville. She did that a bunch. Took

676
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: her eight years to land a record deal. How her

677
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Speaker 2: mom influenced her career. Terry Clark here at number seven

678
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Speaker 2: on the best Bobby Cast of the year.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think you were so passionate about it?

680
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: Who were you trying to.

681
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 8: It?

682
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: Maybe impress isn't the word. Who were you trying to

683
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: make proud? Was it yourself? Was it somebody back home? Like?

684
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Speaker 4: Who was it for you? Question?

685
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 8: Nobody's ever asked me that.

686
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 4: Because that hunger just doesn't come out at that ear right.

687
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Speaker 8: It doesn't. I moved around a lot as a kid,

688
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 8: and I had i'd say, a challenging relationship with my stepfather,

689
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 8: not a super close relationship with my biological father. I mean,

690
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 8: we're fine in everything, but I had some I had

691
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 8: some tougher times growing up, and I think music was

692
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 8: that one thing that anchored me in a way and

693
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 8: gave me that security and that confidence that I didn't

694
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Speaker 8: have anywhere else. And I became so obsessed with it,

695
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 8: and there was also a burning desire I'll show you thing.

696
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't know my real dad. I met

697
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: him once, if you years ago, So I definitely understand

698
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: that because that was a driver for me too. It

699
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 4: was like, wait, I'll show you why you really missed

700
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: out on not being my dad like that. That was

701
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Speaker 4: a part of it for me too.

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of us have something driving us

703
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 8: other than just a love for what we do, that

704
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 8: that that sparks that that starts that fire.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. The consistency that you know you

706
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: said music was just there, you know, whenever you have

707
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: a really inconsistent life childhood like I did, like you did,

708
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 4: when you do have that one or two thing like

709
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: my grandma was so consistent with me when she was

710
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: with My grandma adopted me for a while too, when

711
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: you know my mom was gone and or my dad was.

712
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: But anything that had consistency, like I still hold on to,

713
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: Like I'm the biggest Arkansas Razorback sports fan, but it's

714
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: because I knew every Saturday, it didn't matter where I

715
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: was living, there was going to be a game and

716
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: I could look forward to it. It's going to be

717
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: on for it's on free television. So that was consistent

718
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 4: for me. There was music that was consistent for me

719
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 4: because my life wasn't hot. There was no consistency about

720
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 4: it at all, and so that why it's why today

721
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 4: I still like hold a hond to those things. It's

722
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: even like the people were talking about Innerygod that we

723
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: felt like we're famous when we were kids while we

724
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: still Yeah, I feel like it's so cool.

725
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Speaker 8: There's a comfort in the consistency of something like that.

726
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 8: And I said earlier in another situation something that really

727
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 8: kind of struck me, because you know, your career ebbs

728
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 8: and flows, and you have ups and downs, and you

729
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 8: have self doubt, and even with success comes that, well,

730
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not the top of everybody's mind anymore,

731
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 8: and you have to you know, with that comes a

732
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 8: little of that, you know, and you have to kind

733
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 8: of navigate that emotionally, and it's not as easy as

734
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 8: people would think it is. But you know, and I

735
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 8: think a lot of artists go through that, this period

736
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 8: of do I matter enough to keep doing this anymore?

737
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: Oh? First, I doing relevancy issues.

738
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Speaker 8: Relevancy, Yes, we can have a whole therapy.

739
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 4: I live in relevancy landwork. It's like me too, I'm

740
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: not relevant anymore. This is totally How do you deal

741
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: with that?

742
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 8: I'll tell you how I deal with that. This year,

743
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 8: it kind of it was. It was an epiphany that

744
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 8: came to me and I started thinking back, and I

745
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 8: started going way back and remembering that hunger, that kid,

746
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 8: that woke up to watch This Week in Country Music

747
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 8: and sat for hours and hours in her bedroom, singing

748
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 8: and learning new songs, dreaming about Nashville, crying because she

749
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 8: wanted to just be in Nashville, just wanted a shot,

750
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 8: wanted to be on the radio so bad I could

751
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 8: taste it, And I'm like, I can't give up on

752
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 8: that kid. I would feel like I was betraying her

753
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 8: if I just did that.

754
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: What's wild about you saying this? Is that me ten

755
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: thousand feet up looking at you and your career. I

756
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: would see you and go, man, everybody loves her massive success.

757
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: You would just think, but I think this is common

758
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: right around the room with whomever. I would just think,

759
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: that's the one person that doesn't deal with imposter syndrome

760
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: or relevancy. And but it just shows you it almost

761
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. It's like the screw loose that got us

762
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: here is still the screw loose now that affects us

763
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 4: in a slightly different way. And I think the.

764
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Speaker 8: Danger zone to that is playing the comparison.

765
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 4: Game too big time, because you can never win.

766
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 8: Because relevancy is only relevant compared to who's doing something

767
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 8: more like and there's always going to be somebody doing

768
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 8: something or getting more opportunities than you're getting, or or

769
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 8: being recognized more than you are. And you know, sometimes

770
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 8: you feel like you're spending your reels because you're working

771
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 8: your ass off, and you're just like, does anybody care?

772
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: Right? Does anybody care at all? Will they ever care? Again?

773
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 8: And then if you if you express that to somebody,

774
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 8: they're like, they don't understand, sin, how could you?

775
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 11: Yeah?

776
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just yeah, it's part of being human, and

777
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 8: it's that affliction, well, the human affliction.

778
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: And even as that creative, it's you know, if I

779
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: have friends at work and most of my friends aren't creatives,

780
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: which I think is a big deal. It's good for

781
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: me because they can kind of give me a bit

782
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: of a realistic view on what's really important in life.

783
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: And you know, with those I can't really go, well,

784
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: here's the thing, here's why I'm I'm upset. You know

785
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 4: this show, the stand up show I did you know?

786
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: I did. I did announce the tour twelve shows and it

787
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: only sold eighty percent, And They're like, are you how

788
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: is that upsetting to you? And I'm like, we don't understand.

789
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 4: Like last time, I sold every theater and now I'm sorry,

790
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: and so at the same as trivial as it is,

791
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: you'd still like to have someone that can relate to

792
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: it and go, I get it same but instead of

793
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: just but yeah, you know, because a lot of my

794
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: friends are on the industry, like why are you whining?

795
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: Your theaters are almost sold? And it's like nobody don't understand.

796
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: Like I do a big time with imposters, but when

797
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: I do. I finally have a couple of friends too

798
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 4: now in the industry. One of my closest friends and

799
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: is a guy named Ben Rector. Who do you know?

800
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: Ben Is?

801
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 10: Can I tell him this.

802
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: Is he doing? Is he doing your project? Yeah, he'll

803
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: be over in like thirty minutes, and.

804
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 8: Like, but we can't really get into a project too much.

805
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 4: But I know I can't.

806
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't know him, it's.

807
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: All Ben is one of my best friends. We work

808
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: out here at the house three times a week, but

809
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: is absolutely and I think I get anxious. We have

810
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: like an anxious three. We could be like a wrestling

811
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: me Brett Eldridge and Ben Rector.

812
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 8: I get I can see you all being exactly.

813
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just called if it's on like ticket a

814
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: release day or something. It's like, you're doing all right, man,

815
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: I don't know and I'm watching it's they go on

816
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: someone in six minutes, don't watch, don't watch the live,

817
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: just check back in at night. Don't worry about it.

818
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: But we all have to have those friends that could rely.

819
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 4: They can relate. It's really important, yes, and it's also

820
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: important to have friends it can't relate at all, and

821
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: there's got to be about like that has to be

822
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: my wife, not in the business. That is what to

823
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: me helped the Hey, am I still relevant because she

824
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 4: just doesn't care in the best way. And it drives

825
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: me crazy sometimes too, because I'm like, don't you care?

826
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: If she's like, I know you care, So I care,

827
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: But that's not that important. Like you're doing what you love.

828
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: It's gonna be sometimes, gonna be great. Sometimes it's not

829
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: going to be great. You're just gonna keep going. And

830
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: so that's very valuable too. Who is that for you?

831
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 8: Oh gosh? I have Okay, So I have friends that

832
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 8: I have had my entire life since.

833
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: I was twelve from home.

834
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, from home, and we're still very very close. And

835
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 8: then I have a few friends that I made in

836
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 8: Nashville right after I moved here, like in nineteen ninety,

837
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 8: who are also my other very best friends. None of

838
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 8: them are in the business.

839
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: The Originals too, Originals.

840
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 8: I went to school with them. They are they have businesses,

841
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 8: they're school teachers, they're social workers. It's very important. And

842
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 8: then and then I have the Pamtilist and Susie Bogus, Perio,

843
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 8: Riba and Tricia. Let we all get together and we

844
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 8: can we can kind of bounce these insecurities off of

845
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 8: each other, and we more so me, I think. But

846
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 8: I look to them especially like Uhriba and and and Susie,

847
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 8: I would say, because I look to them like big

848
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 8: sisters who have been through it all. And it doesn't

849
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 8: matter how big the star is. Everybody has had their

850
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 8: moments I think where they've experienced something that they can go, hey,

851
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 8: you know, and I can go, what did you do

852
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 8: in this instance? Or like like, you've got to have

853
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 8: some of that too. But I think the balance is

854
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 8: I'm glad you have that too.

855
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: I love that you have your history.

856
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 8: Friends that have nothing to do with any of it,

857
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 8: and then you have of the people who have been

858
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 8: there who can help help you kind of navigate the

859
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 8: complicated emotional waters that we live in.

860
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, or just like swim beside me, even if it's

861
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: not navigating. Yeah, because there are times where Bin's like

862
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: I don't know either, and we're just like, okay, well

863
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 4: we don't know together, you know, because it is it's

864
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: a weird to get into a business where you are

865
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 4: going to make a living creating something that you think

866
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: is good enough for people to pay their money to watch.

867
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 4: Because at the same time, you could be the most

868
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 4: humble person, but if you don't have a bit of

869
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: confidence even in the ego about what and it is

870
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 4: a weird juxtaposition of at times I have no confidence

871
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: at all, and at the same time I'd have all

872
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: the confidence in the world to create something, to do

873
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 4: a stage show, to do, a radio show, to do

874
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 4: and expect people to give me their time and money

875
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Speaker 4: for what I'm creating.

876
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Speaker 8: The most complicated part about it is it's all appear

877
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 8: like and that sometimes will will be the one factor

878
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 8: that defines whether you go out there and kill it

879
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 8: or don't, because it's all in your mind.

880
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 4: You ever get it's all sad at seats that weren't sold.

881
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course.

882
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 8: I think everybody does. And I gotta tell you, every

883
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 8: single night I walk out there, it's not a given

884
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 8: in my brain that there's going to be anybody out there.

885
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: I swear to God. It's just crazy for me to

886
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: hear you say that. By the way, it's crazy for

887
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: me to hear you say.

888
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 8: That, but it's true.

889
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Speaker 1: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: At number six on the list is Hillary Scott from

892
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: Lady A. Hillary was super vulnerable and she shared how

893
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: she wrote a song about her having a miscarriage and

894
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: how her faith has kept her going. There's Hillary Scott

895
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Speaker 2: from episode four thirty two.

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Speaker 4: Chris Tomlin is another example who I love that dude.

897
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: And I asked him if there was pressure, And this

898
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: is going to lead to the question I'm asking you.

899
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: I asked him if there was pressure because and my

900
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: wife when I you know, she's not super into the industry,

901
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: or she's not in it at all, but she doesn't

902
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: like care that much. She was like Christopher, we sang

903
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: all Is hymn to church, and I was like, well,

904
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: were you just saying Rock of Ages basically? You know

905
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 4: all of ours were him? Yes, But I asked him

906
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: if there was a pressure on him to be so

907
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: godlike because that's how everyone knows him, because he's he's

908
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: a normal human. And I'd found myself talking about a

909
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: Christmas party we were having and I invited him over

910
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: and it was like, not real money, but we were

911
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: we were had vegas set up and what we were

912
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 4: doing was donating to whomever won that night to their charity.

913
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: And I was going to invite him and I was like,

914
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 4: I'm not inviting him. It's gambling. And it was exactly

915
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: what he told me that he did not want people

916
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Speaker 4: to do to him. And so then I said, Chris,

917
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry I didn't invite you. Now I'm inviting

918
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Speaker 4: you again because it's fun. So he lives with this

919
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: wonderful but constant pressure of people to think he has

920
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: to be godlike all the time. Do you feel the

921
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: pressure on you, as a public person and even a Christian,

922
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: an open Christian to always present we'll just say a

923
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 4: good mood.

924
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Speaker 11: Oh, I mean there's definite pressure, for sure, I think.

925
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 11: But to me, what I am so grateful for about

926
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 11: my relationship with God and my faith is that there

927
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Speaker 11: there's a scripture that talks about when we are weak

928
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 11: He is strong, So in our weaknesses, in our vulnerability,

929
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 11: we actually connect deeper. We see how much we need him,

930
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 11: Others see that we don't have it all together. I mean,

931
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 11: I've heard it said so many times and it's so profound,

932
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 11: and it's like church needs to be more like a hospital,

933
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 11: like then a country club where you show up all

934
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 11: buttoned up and presenting a certain way.

935
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 10: It's like, no, we're all broken wanting to come.

936
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 11: Together for the same reason, to receive the peace and

937
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 11: the comfort and the grace and mercy of God, you know.

938
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 11: And so I do definitely feel that pressure. But ironically,

939
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 11: when you do share publicly or privately the hard things

940
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 11: you're going through, that's.

941
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 4: When you really connect with absolutely.

942
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 11: I mean truly, Like that is where I've had the

943
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 11: most just oh, the most rewarding conversations, the most rewarding

944
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 11: DMS conversations.

945
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 10: With people on Instagram.

946
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 11: I mean it's just so to not be afraid to

947
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 11: say what's really going on.

948
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Speaker 4: I can ask you what and I'll share one with

949
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: you too, so you don't feel alone here, but can

950
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: ask you, like an example of that something that you

951
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: would have spoken about that was difficult for you because

952
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 4: I felt a lot of shame in mind, but I

953
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: didn't realize that other people were writing alongside me with

954
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: their own version of it. So what would an example

955
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: of that be for you?

956
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 11: I mean, one of the biggest was something that I

957
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 11: still grieve every day, which is the miscarriage we had

958
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 11: in between Isley and my twin girls, and just how

959
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 11: it as I Will walked through and Chris and I

960
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 11: walked through that experience, there was a big, you know,

961
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 11: moment of like, are we going to share this? Are

962
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 11: we going to But then when the only way I

963
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 11: knew to pursue healing and just kind of keep moving

964
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 11: was to write about it became a song. And then

965
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 11: it was a song that I knew. I was like,

966
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 11: I think people really need to hear this.

967
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Speaker 6: And so.

968
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Speaker 10: It was.

969
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 11: It was that experience and one that continues to come

970
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 11: up to the stay you know, that record came out,

971
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 11: that song came out in twenty sixteen, and I still

972
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 11: feel like when people come up to me, whether it's

973
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 11: in the grocery store or to meet and greet, it's

974
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 11: always it's always brought up.

975
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: Were you surprised that that is what people attached through

976
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: so strongly and that people still attached to it even

977
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 4: seven years or so later.

978
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 10: I think it.

979
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 11: It doesn't surprise me because one in four women one

980
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 11: and four pregnancies, not women one and four pregnancies and

981
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 11: in miscarriage. So the statistics are so high that and

982
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 11: not a lot of people know that that's how often

983
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 11: it happens. So that's a whole lot of people, that's

984
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 11: a whole lot of women, that's a whole lot of families.

985
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 11: So I think that specific experience in the women and

986
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 11: the families that I hear from who've experienced that exact thing,

987
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 11: it isn't shocking. Now the other stories around the song,

988
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 11: where it's met others in other ways, in different hardships

989
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 11: in their life. Those always, I mean, they all touch

990
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 11: my heart.

991
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 10: They all just humble me and.

992
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 11: Are very very priceless to me to be invited into

993
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 11: those stories. But some of the ones that are about

994
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 11: other things are the ones that like lay.

995
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: Me out in the floor. When I wrote my first book,

996
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: I was I don't know how to write a book.

997
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: I mean I'd written some stuff, but never a book.

998
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: And I thought no one would want to read a

999
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: book for me anyway, And I thought I'm just gonna

1000
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: write everything, and then whatever I'm too ashamed of, I'm

1001
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: going to pull out. But I'm going to as and

1002
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 4: you probably deal with this writing you know, a song,

1003
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: a three minute version of this, but one hundred times.

1004
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: And so I wrote this book and it was a

1005
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: lot of my insecurity is a lot of what we

1006
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: all suffer through. But I wrote about my mom a lot.

1007
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 4: And my mom's not alive anymore. She died when she

1008
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 4: was forty seven or so. She died from basically drug abuse,

1009
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: drug and alcohol abuse, and it had gotten so bad

1010
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: with her. And it was some heavy drugs like meth.

1011
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 4: And I'm from Arkansas and it's it's poverty there, right,

1012
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: and like I never quite understood until I got older,

1013
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: but my mom had got so wrapped up in it

1014
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: that she would call and need money, and you know,

1015
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: she had started to go, well, I'm going to do

1016
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 4: porn and when your mom calls and tells you that,

1017
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: and I was and I remember writing that story and

1018
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: I was so I was so ashamed, and I was

1019
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 4: going to take it out. And I don't know why

1020
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: I didn't, because I never had the thought, I'll leave

1021
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: it in, it'll connect. I don't know how it lasted

1022
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: and landed. But I'm telling you, when I'll tour and

1023
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: do stand up, you want to know people talk to

1024
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 4: me about how it's not exactly the same, but everybody

1025
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: will come up. Not everybody, but I like people come

1026
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 4: up and go, I'm so glad you said this, because

1027
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: nobody says that addiction affects them in ways like this.

1028
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 9: Yes, and.

1029
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 4: Even now. I mean, I wrote that book six seven

1030
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: years ago, Like I couldn't believe that that was the connector.

1031
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: I thought, I'll write some funny stories, people will enjoy it,

1032
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: I'll write a but of everything that I wrote, I

1033
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: was most ashamed of a lot of the stuff that

1034
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 4: I had gone through in that part of my life

1035
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: and my world. But that was the that was the

1036
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: really the connector of all and I couldn't believe it.

1037
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: But it also shows me that the more raw and

1038
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: open you are, the more you're actually relatable. And I

1039
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 4: did not think that was the case.

1040
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 11: And I think the other beautiful benefit for you sharing it,

1041
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 11: and or at least for me for sharing it, is

1042
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 11: the freedom you feel because there was something in me

1043
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 11: with my story, Like if I had withheld that information,

1044
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 11: I would have really felt like I was moving through

1045
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 11: my life in not the most honest way that I could,

1046
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 11: and that I would be numbing some part of myself

1047
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 11: and that just didn't feel authentic. And so as scary

1048
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 11: as it was, I felt free.

1049
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: Did you feel when you were writing, when you're doing

1050
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: the music, because this is a bit how I felt too,

1051
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: like I had. Reliving it was kind of hard.

1052
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, absolutely well in writing it. I mean I

1053
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 11: was in the middle of miscarring when I wrote the song,

1054
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 11: so it was very much like I'm in this right

1055
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 11: now talking about it right now. So as it got recorded,

1056
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 11: and then the times that I've I've performed it, we're

1057
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 11: saying it in church. It's definitely been a different experience

1058
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 11: remembering it, still feeling it deeply, but not like I

1059
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 11: was when.

1060
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 2: Okay, that was part one of the Top ten Bobby

1061
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: Cast of twenty twenty four. We got the rest the

1062
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: Top five coming up next week. I also want to

1063
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: mention a few other ones. Go listen to Jackson, dene

1064
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Zach Top, Marcus King and those probably didn't make it

1065
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: because we did them so late in the year, but

1066
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: those were awesome episodes. If you missed any, just searched

1067
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: the Bobby Cast also type in the artists that you

1068
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: want to hear it.

1069
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 4: You'll find it. Boom, it'll pop up there.

1070
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 12: All right, Have good week everybody.

1071
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

1072
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 12: Mm hmm