1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy Vie Wilson UH, and I have the following 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: question to pose. Who doesn't like ice cream? I can 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: think of a lot of people who don't like I 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: really people who are lactose intolerant. But it might not 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: be that they don't like it, it's just something they've 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: had to eliminate when for reason. When I was in 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: massage school, our traditional Chinese medicine teacher and I told 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: us that in traditional Chinese medicine, ice cream is a 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: terrible food to eat because it's very cold, and it 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: has lots of sugar and milk and all of those 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: things together. From that perspective a bad combo. I'm almost 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: suspicious of people that don't like ice cream. Yeah, I cannot. 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I really can only think of one or two people 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: that I've ever met. One of the brother of a friend, 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: and he has many suspicious dislikes in the food arena, 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: like he also doesn't like cheesecakes, So come on, we 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: can't trust that person. Um, But I love it, and 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: most people I know love it. I do like ice cream. 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Did you know that one point six billion gallons of 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: ice cream are produced in the US annually. That is 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: a lot of ice cream. Um. And as we know, 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, the serving size on a pine of ice 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: cream that's listed has been comedian fodder for years and 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: years and years. It's interesting, I will say before we 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: get deep into this podcast, because we're talking today obviously 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: about the history of ice cream, UM, that a lot 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: of it after a certain point, kind of centers on 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: the US. While I know that people eat ice cream 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: the world over. I think we're kind of considered the 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: NEXTUS point. I don't. I think it's kind of gotten 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: lumped in with Americana, like you have your slice of 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: apple pie and there's ice cream on the side pie 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: ala mode. Well, and I definitely there are a lot 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of cultural ice cream things, like you know, I grew 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: up in in the Bible Belt in the church ice 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: cream social, Yeah, an annual thing that everybody looked forward 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: to for a really long time. And then you have 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: the whole preponderance of ice cream parlors that we will 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: talk about later and how that sort of became a 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: place for people to go and hang out, Like ice 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: cream became a really social thing in the United States 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: and not just like a food to eat for dessert. Yeah, 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: it's really It's an iconic food I think in in 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: the US for sure. Uh, it's just kind of fascinating. 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm now wondering if we have a national dessert and 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: if ice cream is it. But I don't know. Uh, 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite flavor? Oh? I will eat 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: chocolate ice cream of course, all day, but I don't 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: love chocolate. My mother in law really loves chocolate ice cream, 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: and I think she's suspicious of me that. I'm like, 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't work for me. Um. Yeah. When I had 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: my wisdom teeth ur moved. My dad like woke me 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: up in the parking lot at the grocery store while 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: I was, you know, still kind of under some anesthesia still, 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: He's like, what kind of ice cream do you want? 58 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, chalker, that's so pathetic. It was 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: very pathetic. I also feel like I should give a 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: quick shout out to one of my favorite ice cream 61 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: places in the world, which is in Canada. It's outside Vancouver, 62 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: I think it's technically in Burnaby called Kaza Gelato, and 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: they have hundreds of flavors of ice cream, and they 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: do really wild. That is where I had dirty and 65 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: ice cream, which I have to keep on a lid 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: on it, and they keep it far away from all 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: the other ice creams because it makes everything smells so bad, 68 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: but it's delicious. And that's where I had parent Gorgonzola 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: ice cream for the first time. And they do dandelion 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: ice cream almost any flavor I think they've tried to do. 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: And I love that place, like um, just to me, 72 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: it was like going into the factory of dreams at 73 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, what I can eat all of these things? 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. When I was a kid, there was 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: an ice cream place at the beach that we went 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: to every summer and my brother and my cousin and 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: I would all get these Uh it was bubble bubblegum 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: flavored ice cream that had little pieces of love that stuff. 79 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: It's like Chloe Lee sweet and I love it and 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: a terrible color, like not a color that's fund in nature, 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: but delicious. Yeah. Well, and all these things that I 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: associate with ice cream, a lot of them are things 83 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: that are done as a family or in a group, 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: or it is a very social foods unless you're eating 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: it by yourself straight from the carton in front of 86 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: the television, which I also do. Oh yeah, for sure, 87 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: I've definitely done that. Uh. But this all makes us 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: wonder where did ice cream come from in the first place? Uh, 89 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: And this is actually a pretty unresolved question. There are 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: many different theories. Um. There's a lot of disagreement about 91 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: the actual origin point of ice cream, and some of 92 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: that problem lies in semantics. Some food historians will qualify 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: ice cream by a certain set of criteria, and those 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: may not be the same criteria or definition that another 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: food you will use. And some people, for example, separate 96 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: ice deserts out by the inclusion or exclusion of dairy. 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: But even then the origins are hazy. Um. There's a U. 98 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: S D A standard that's current that says for a 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: food to qualify as ice cream, it needs to contain 100 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: at least ten percent milk fat, a minimum of six 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: percent non fat milk solids, and a gallon has to 102 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: weigh at least four point five pounds. But that's not 103 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: really um applicable to the historical record because those were 104 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: not in place and we're still trying to trace the origins. 105 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: So there are many different and interesting stories that have circulated, 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: and we won't even cover all of them, but we 107 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: will do a list um about the origins of ice cream. 108 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: So one of the earliest is a biblical mention. There's 109 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: a reference to King Solomon having iced drinks during harvest time, 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: which sounds like a wonderful idea. UM, but it also 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: doesn't sound that much like ice cream. But that's mentioned 112 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: in the UH and various accounts of ice cream history 113 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: is sort of a proto ice cream treat. And Alexander 114 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: the Great is said to have enjoyed snow and ice 115 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: that were flavored with honey or nectar, which sounds more 116 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: like a snow cone, but still is sometimes bandied about 117 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: as an potential origin point. I think it sounds like 118 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: snow cream, which we talked about in our prior podcast 119 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: stuff and people were horrified that people would do that. UH. 120 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: In the first century CE, Roman emperor Nero is said 121 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: to have gotten his slaves to bring him snow from 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the mountains so that it could be combined with fruit, 123 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: again similar to the Alexander the Great thing. UH. And 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: then Marco Polo allegedly brought back a recipe for a 125 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: frozen dessert from his travels in Asia when he returned 126 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: to Italy. Uh And it's believed that this more closely 127 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: resembled sherbet than an ice cream. Uh And some people 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: say that it's the genesis point for ice cream and 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: gelato and similar frozen treats develop in Italy in the 130 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: mid fifreds. It's possible that Catherine de Medici introduced some 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: kind of ice cream to France when she married Henry 132 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: the Second Yeah, that she carried it over. So those 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: are all different. I have read different accounts that point 134 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: to each one of those things is this is where 135 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: ice cream started. But uh and they all may or 136 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: may not have truth to them. They're all, like I said, 137 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: pointed out in various discussions of ice cream as like 138 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: this is our ice cream really got its start. There's 139 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: so much variation, and many of them don't involve dairy, 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: So a lot of people will discount them um or 141 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: some people will support them, depending on their beliefs and definitions. Um. 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: And Also I think that in some cases a little 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: bit of like cultural pride comes into it. There are 144 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: people in France that will say it came from France, 145 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: people from Italy that will say it came from Italy, 146 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: people from China that will say it came from China 147 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: where we're about to discuss, because that often gets uh 148 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: believed in. But the truth really is probably that there 149 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: were many people wanting a delightful, tasty, cool treats, particularly 150 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: in hot weather, and so I think a lot of 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: different techniques and cultural desires kind of went into the 152 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: ice cream that we need today and how it developed. 153 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: The most favored origin story for ice cream is that 154 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: it comes from China. So there are some references to 155 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: a milk and rice mixture packed into snow for freezing 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: as early as two d b C. Then during China's 157 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: Tank period from six eighteen to nine oh seven, it's 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: believed that a version of ice cream was popular with 159 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: the nation's rulers, and they actually had dedicated iceman. These 160 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: men their entire job was to keep the palace supplied 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: with ice, and they would bring that ice from the 162 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: mountains and then it would be combined with a fermented 163 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: milk which is called kumas uh and camphor and flour. 164 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: And the dairy element could be sourced from a number 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: of different animals that could be um, cow milk, goat milk, 166 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: or buffalo milk in the amper was used to enhance 167 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: the texture and flavor. But that makes me have question 168 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: marks in my head and my stomach because it seems 169 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: like it would taste like mothball right well. And I 170 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: also wonder, um, as we talked about in our episode 171 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: on the history of cheese, how a lot of adults 172 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: can't tolerate lactose, uh, because they haven't been their their 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: digestive systems haven't been gradually accustomed to it. In in 174 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Chinese cultures and a lot of Asian cultures, lactose intolerance 175 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: is a lot more prevalent, so milk is not a 176 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: big ingredient in a lot of Asian cooking. Yeah. So 177 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: I kind of wonder whether either the fermenting process took 178 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: down the amount of lactose, which probably actually I think no. 179 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: I think yeast used in brewing and fermenting does not 180 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: eat lactose. I'm super curious about this now me too. 181 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to think about, and I was surprised that 182 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: it is the most favored stories since we don't associate 183 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: Asia and China specifically with a lot of dairy consumption. 184 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting, uh, And it could be that 185 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: it was so rare that that was part of why 186 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: it became a yummy, palatial like special treat, that there 187 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: was some level of um um exclusivity to it that 188 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: made it appealing. For all we know, it totally upset 189 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: their stomach, a special treat that made you feel ill affered. 190 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: But once all of these ingredients were combined, they would 191 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: pack the mixture into these metal tubes and then submerge 192 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: them in an ice pool for freezing, which is kind 193 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: of cool to think about. I wonder if anybody does 194 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: that style of ice cream making today. I would try 195 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: it for sure, even if it does taste like muffles. 196 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would try camphor ice cream. 197 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: I would try it. I'm adventurous. I'll try almost anything. Yeah, 198 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: somehow I would be more inclined to eat bugs than 199 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: camphor ice cream. But then, and there is a lot 200 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: of things that happen having to do with um the 201 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: area of Turkey and Arab cultures, and how that kind 202 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: of slowly gets ice cream and frozen treats into Europe, 203 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: Europe and the European countries, and then it kind of 204 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: takes a lot of big steps towards being the dessert 205 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: that we know today. Arab people's are said to have 206 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: drunken iced slushy like sherbet style drink and medieval times, uh, 207 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: this was normally fruit flavored, and apparently it spread to 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: several European cultures because it was so refreshing and tasty. Yeah, 209 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: the travelers that would travel around the Mediterranean and do 210 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: trades with other countries kind of picked up this habit 211 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: of drinking it brought it right back home with them. 212 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: And one of the supporting elements for the belief that 213 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: ice cream true, you know, true ice cream I'm making 214 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: the air quotes originated in Italy, comes from their knowledge 215 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: of chilling various beverages in the mid to late fifteen hundreds, 216 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: using a slurry of salt, peter and snow to like 217 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: submerge things and quickly almost flash freeze them. And we 218 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: know this was used for wine to cool it down, 219 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: but it's believed that this process may have also been 220 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: applied to chilling these slushy sherbets that they had discovered 221 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and picked up as a habit when they were traveling. Uh. 222 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: And they were sometimes called Turkish sorbets, and the word 223 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: sorbet is one in different European cultures. As this history 224 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: goes on, it really gets traded around in ways that 225 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: are not consistent. Different things were being called sorbet that 226 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: we would define differently I think today. So that's a 227 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: tricky one. If you're reading any of the the passages 228 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: or sources we list in the show notes, just know 229 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: that sorbet is a word that gets kind of tossed 230 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: around without consistency. Yeah. Well, and if you've if you've 231 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: ever seen, you know, an old fashioned ice cream maker 232 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: do its thing, you can sort of see a seed 233 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: of that process and this whole idea of using a 234 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: slurry of salt, peter and snow to cool stuff. Now, yeah, 235 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: so they were onto it early. Sorbet as we know 236 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: it was invented when these icy drinks, uh were made 237 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: into hard frozen treats that incorporated sugar. The man who 238 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: gets the credit for this was Antonio Latini, who was 239 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: working as a steward to the chief Minister of the 240 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: Spanish Viceroy in Naples in the late sixteen hundreds. He 241 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: further experimented and added dairy to the mix in Latini's 242 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: book scalco Ala Moderna, which means carver to the modern. 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: He included recipes for lemon, strawberry, sour cherry, chocolate, and 244 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: cinnamon ice, and a milk ice that's often cited as 245 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: the first two ice cream recipe. I would eat any 246 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: of those. They sound very interesting. Um. Cinnamon ice sounded 247 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: really interesting to me, mostly because my husband really loved cinnamon. 248 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: And in sixty six a cafe in Paris opened. Uh. 249 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's called Il Procope, sometimes La Procope, sometimes Cafe Procope, 250 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: but it's proprietor was actually Sicilian. It was a man 251 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: named Francesco Procopio de Cotelli uh, and it offered a 252 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: variety of ice treats, and some historians credit him with 253 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: bringing gelato to France, but others say his cafe only 254 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: offered very cold beverages. So there's some discrepancy about what 255 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: was really on the menu and whether he was importing 256 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: ice cream to France. Um. But what's really interesting is 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: that that cafe is still open today, so you can 258 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: go visit it. It really has the established six six 259 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: sign above it, and you can go. Let's go now, 260 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: all right, get in the car. The friench had already 261 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: been experimenting with ice cream like treats, specifically a concoction 262 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: called fromage, which is very similar to ice cream. This 263 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: was not made with cheese, even though it has the 264 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: same word as cheese. It's not completely clear why the 265 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: two words share the same name, but it's possible that 266 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: the frozen dairy dessert was chilled in cheese molds. As 267 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: fromage developed and started to be referred few as nij 268 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: which is the French word for snow, and then gloss, 269 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: which is what it's now called today, it became incredibly 270 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: popular throughout the country and in six which was the 271 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: same year Latini's Cookbook for Ices came out, a French 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: cookbook for similar desserts entitled La Maison regulas which is 273 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: a well ordered home, was written by Nicholas Audeger, and 274 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: it was touted as being quote the true method for 275 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: making all sorts of water essences and liqueurs strong and 276 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: refreshing in the Italian style. Odeja's book was much clearer 277 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: in its recipes and instructions, and its spelled out exactly 278 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: how to make crame glass a which is frizzing cream. 279 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: The use of a bucket inside of another bucket, with 280 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the gap between the two filled with ice and salt 281 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: is described, as well as the method for stirring the 282 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: mixture in the interior bucket as it freezes until it 283 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: has the consistency of snow, which is really how I 284 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: scream still gets made as you're making in a funky 285 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: science experiment, which or if you're in a factory, but 286 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: when people have their home machines, that's it's really the 287 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: same deal going on. Um and Audi's book you can 288 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: actually read online if you are fluent in French. We 289 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: will have that link in the show notes. Uh, my 290 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: French is not good enough to follow a recipe of 291 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: that nature. It's kind of mediocre. But then sort of 292 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: an interesting thing happened, and this is sort of the 293 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: point where it becomes a very American treat. So while 294 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: ice cream existed in Europe for many years prior, and 295 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: the recipes and the love of the treat traveled across 296 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: the Atlantic with the colonists in the seventeen forties, there 297 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: is also this kind of wacky mythological tale that attributes 298 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: the invention of ice cream to Martha Washington. Uh. The 299 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: story claims that she left a bowl of sweet cream 300 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: outdoors overnight and accidentally stumbled upon the creation when she 301 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: discovered the forgotten dish which had frozen the next morning. 302 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: And of course there's this company really untrue. We have 303 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: instances of ice cream going on way before that, and 304 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: there's actually the first account of ice cream in America 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: is in a letter from seventeen forty four which was 306 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: written by a guest of William Bladen, who was the 307 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: governor of Maryland, um. And this guest was writing of 308 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: the time that he visited with the politician and what 309 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: was served while he was there, and ice cream was 310 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: one of the things. So even though Martha Washington did 311 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: not invent ice cream, George Washington did love it. Like 312 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: that's an understatement. I think he really super loved it. 313 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: In the seventeen eighty four ledger for Mount Vernon, there's 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: a record of an ice cream machine being acquired for 315 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: the sum of one pound, thirteen shillings and threepence, And 316 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: even with his own ice cream turns at home. In 317 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety, George Washington is said to have spent two 318 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: hundred dollars over the course of one summer on ice 319 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: cream at a local shop, which is apparently close to 320 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars of today's money may have contributed 321 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: to the wooden teeth mythology. Well. And it's funny. When 322 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: I was talking to my husband about this, because I 323 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: was blathering on about how interesting I found it, he 324 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: wondered if it wasn't because he had the wooden teeth. 325 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: Ice Cream was a yummy thing he could easily eat 326 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: because it would melt in his mouth. I think everyone had. 327 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean, definitely everyone had terrible teeth at the time, 328 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: but George Washington's terrible teeth are are infamous. Shortly after 329 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: Washington's death, an inventory of Mountain Vernon was made and 330 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: numerous ice ice cream supplies turn up. In that inventory. 331 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: There were two Pewter ice cream pots, as well as 332 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: numerous special ice cream serving dishes. Ice Cream was a 333 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: favored treat for both the company, who would you know, 334 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: arrive and stay there, and for the family in residence. Yeah. 335 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: When they had state dinners, you were pretty much going 336 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: to get ice cream as dessert. Uh. It was really 337 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: like I can't stress enough how much George Washington loved it. 338 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: But he was not the only person. Thomas Jefferson had 339 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: his own recipe for vanilla. Uh that he had handwritten 340 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: now and he served it with Savoy cookies. And you 341 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: can actually see that handwritten recipe online. It's part of 342 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the American Treasures of the Library Congress, and we'll link 343 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: to that in our show notes. And he is Jefferson 344 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: is said to have maintained multiple ice houses so that 345 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: he could constantly be storing ice for making more ice cream, 346 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: as well as storing his ice cream once it had 347 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: been made. That he was just stockpiling ice cream supplies 348 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: and ice cream. I'm also in favor of a giant 349 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: ice cream stockpile. The Lincoln's were also big fans Mary Todd. 350 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: Lincoln would frequently host strawberry parties, which would get together 351 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: centered around dessert service and co starring with the ice 352 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: with the strawberries was ice cream. Yeah. So uh. Ice 353 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Cream has a very favored history with American presidents and 354 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: even more modern presidents have definitely sung the praises of 355 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: ice cream. And we all love it. It's good, I'm 356 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: telling you, uh. And perhaps because of the popularity with 357 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: the early political leaders, ice cream was enthusiastically embraced in 358 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: the US, But up until the early eighteen hundreds it 359 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: was kind of a fancy pants dessert for wealthy people 360 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: and high society types. Yeah, if average people cannot afford 361 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: to keep things cold and uh and to get all 362 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 1: the ice in, the sugar and everything else that are 363 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: needed to make it, then it does make it a 364 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: very exclusive food. Yes. And then when you think of 365 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: people maintaining multiple ice houses to keep their stockpile, that's 366 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: not something most people would have had access to. But 367 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: the insulated ice house was invented around the turn of 368 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the century, so that meant that more people could have 369 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: ice cream on hand, whereas prior to that, only wealthy 370 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: people could really maintain an ice house because they would 371 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: have to have a constant ice coming in and constant 372 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: management of the situation in the temperature. Yeah, it really 373 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story about why 374 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: sweet tea is so popular in the South. It had 375 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: to do with if you could afford the sugar and 376 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: the ice needed to make sweet tea. You're doing all right? Yeah, 377 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a calling card of your aristocracy. 378 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Would you like to come over and have sweet tea 379 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: on my part? The money for that on the veranda 380 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: In the early New Jersey housewife Nancy Johnson made ice 381 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: cream in the normal way in a metal bucket packed 382 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: with ice and salt. It was great, but this was really, 383 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: as we've talked about, at time consuming and it's hard 384 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: to keep things consistent when you're having to stir them constantly. 385 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: So she invented the hand cranked ice cream churn, and 386 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: her new artificial freezer was patented on September and the 387 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: basic design continues to be popular now with pretty minimal changes. Yeah, 388 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: ice cream churns that you by now are so similar 389 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: to that original one. Obviously the components are made of 390 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: more modern materials, but yeah, but you can also still 391 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: buy hand cranks. There. You take a little more work 392 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: earned that ice cream, which is probably good, but um, yeah, 393 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: it's it's retained its function and it's continued to be 394 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: about that same thing that the Italians were doing with 395 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: ice and salt mixed together, surrounding this thing, surrounding the 396 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: dairy buckets so they could kind of quickly freeze it. 397 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: So little change, don't mess with perfection. The first commercial 398 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: ice cream factory was opened in eighteen fifty by Jacob Fussell, 399 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: and he was a dairyman from Baltimore and he wanted 400 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: to make use of the surplus cream that his dairy 401 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: was producing, which you know, once they had cleared that off, 402 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: they had to use it very quickly. So it went 403 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: into making ice cream and so I scream. At that point, 404 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: you know transition. It became not just a home main 405 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: treat that you would be using your hand crank for, 406 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: but an actual industry, which as we know, has flourished. Yes, 407 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy four saw the first ice cream soda shop 408 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: in the United States, as well as the origin of 409 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: the soda jerk. So the late Victorian and Edwardian Eras 410 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: saw a real explosion in ice cream popularity. By the 411 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: nineteen teens, all of America was covered in ice cream shops. 412 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: And another thing that may have contributed to ice cream 413 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: sort of being so associated with the US is that 414 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: during World War Two, ice cream was like a huge 415 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: part of the morale efforts of the U. S. Armed Forces, 416 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: Like it was literally listed as a line item in 417 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: their morale budget, like that they had to have rations 418 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: of ice cream for the soldiers. The military served ice 419 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: cream for the troops, and they even established this blows 420 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: my mind in the most wonderful way a floating ice 421 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: cream parlor in the Western Pacific that would serve the soldiers. 422 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: So it was like a floating treat factory. It was 423 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: on a barge and it had to be towed by 424 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: other ships. It wasn't self powered, but its only job 425 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: was to produce ice cream for soldiers, uh, which is 426 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: really fascinating and interesting. Uh. And it was quite expensive apparently. 427 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: And when the war conclude, ice cream was a huge 428 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: part of the festivities. From the end of the war 429 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: through the seventies, prepackaged ice cream started to grow as 430 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: something you could buy at the supermarket. And it's the 431 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: planted most of the quaint ice cream shops that had 432 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: become popular in the early nine dreds. Yeah, and of 433 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: course that sort of started this big shift that we've 434 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: witnessed in the last couple of decades where some people 435 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: would say the quality goes down when you're getting um 436 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: ice cream at the supermarket. But then there has also 437 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: been this sort of growth of the boutique industry of 438 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: these smaller ice cream shops again that are kind of 439 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: more specialized. There are artisan ice creams now. I've visited 440 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: two of such shops over Fourth of July weekend, when 441 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: it was extremely hot in Boston. Yeah, a good fresh 442 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: ice cream, like a homemade ice cream is good stuff. 443 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, And we have these specialty shops all over 444 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: the US now and in other countries as well. But 445 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: of course we owe all of these yummy treats. Were 446 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: enjoying with all of our mix ins to China or 447 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: Nero or Marco Polo or King Solomon, depending on whose 448 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: version of the story you believe in which definition you 449 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: hadhere to in terms of historical context, ice cream, I 450 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: love it. I was just immensely relieved the time this 451 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: particularly like I can understand how it became a popular 452 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: thing to serve ice cream during the harvest or to 453 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: people who were traveling in hot weather. Um, just because 454 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: of having walked to a place in the ninety degree 455 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: heat and then walked back while drinking a frozen drink 456 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: and man with a different experience, the trip back was 457 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: so much better than the trip out, and the whole 458 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: all I had been able to think was it's so hot. 459 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: It's so hot, And then on the way back, I 460 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: was like, I'm drinking delicious. This was this was a 461 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: like a survey that was yeah, a frozen tree, It's 462 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: shocking how effective they are and just kind of cooling 463 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: you down. I meking you feel good on a day 464 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: that is sweltering. We um. Anybody that runs knows probably 465 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: about the Peach Tree Road Race, which is a huge 466 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: race here in Atlanta on the fourth of July. It's 467 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: like up to sixty runners now, so it's quite mammoth uh. 468 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: And after you finish, you kind of have to go 469 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: through this cattle shoot set up where they march everybody 470 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: up this one street to get back to public transportation. 471 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 1: And smartly, a few years ago, we have a local 472 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: um ice cream popsicle it's not all ice cream, but 473 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: a popsicle vendor called King of Pops, and they had 474 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: the very smart business idea to start setting up rolling 475 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: carts along that route because you can't go off of 476 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: that route, like they kind of keep you cordoned in 477 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: and police block off other streets so you can't kind 478 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: of verge out and have a mass. So it's just 479 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: like all these people marching by, and it's so hard 480 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: to resist. You just pull out your money or your 481 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: credit card and you're like, yes, please give me the 482 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: pops And it makes it so much better at that 483 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: if you were just walking without them. Yeah, we were 484 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: walking to Fenway Park on the fourth where people ate 485 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: lots of ice cream to keep cool. Um, And I 486 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: was thinking about the pahgre Ray Race and how it 487 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: must have been miserable. Yeah. I did not run it 488 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: this year. I usually do, but I opted not to 489 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: this year. Um, partially because I thought about that horrible 490 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: march back to public transportation, and I dislike it so 491 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: much that I was like, that's let somebody else have 492 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: the entry. There's like a whole lottery system to even 493 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: get into the race anymore because it's gotten so big. Uh. 494 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: And apparently there was so much rain this year that 495 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: the park that you kind of have to travel through 496 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: to get done, get your stuff and then leave was 497 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: covered in mud. So I was glad I missed, but 498 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: kudos to everybody that ran it because it was sweltery 499 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: and muggy. I ran just not there. But I did 500 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: not have ice cream afterwards, So that's my punishment, like now, 501 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: and I did not have ice cream at Fenway Park, 502 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: just because when the ice cream was coming by, it 503 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: was late enough in the game that we were starting 504 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: to think about when you're gonna leave yet, at which 505 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: point I did get a frozen coffee drink yum, also delicious. Uh. 506 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: So that is the scoop on ice cream, not to 507 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: make a pun. Uh. Do you also have some listener mails? 508 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: I do, indeed. Uh. This one is from our listener Lou. 509 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: And she has to make lots of small car trips 510 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: and so she listens to our podcasts during those to 511 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: make time pass. She says, I was so excited when 512 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: I heard the Kellogg episode because my great grandmother went 513 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: to Battle Creek Sanitarium recently. My grandmother and I were 514 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: going through boxes of family things and found a scrapbook 515 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: that my great grandmother had made while she was there 516 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: from about nineteen eighteen to ninety one. It's filled with 517 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: pictures of Dr Kellogg and men used from the cafeteria, 518 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: all vegetarian, and even her class schedule. It was a 519 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: pretty big deal for a woman of her time from 520 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: West Virginia to be able to go to school, so 521 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: she was very grateful to Kellogg. She went from there 522 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: to work as a dietitian at Bellevue Hospital. Thank you 523 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: for the work that you do. That's really really cool. Uh. 524 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: And I actually wrote back to Lou, and I hope 525 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: she writes to me back, because I was wondering if 526 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: she had ever heard any insights on nutrition through kind 527 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: of the family um storytelling lines, because you know, to 528 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: think about how nutrition must have been viewed then versus 529 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: the subsequent years after she left the Kellogg Sanitarium, and 530 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: how many fads started to happen in different weird things 531 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: in the Uh. You know, vegetarian diet had not really 532 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: been adopted all over the place at that point, so 533 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to have gotten an early exposure and then seen it 534 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of grow slowly in popularity must have been really fascinating. 535 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: I love it's so cool to have that connection to history, 536 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: and especially because they have, you know, all of these 537 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: mementos from the sanitarium her great grandmother kept. So cool. Yeah, 538 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: well it's not maybe the most widely known place. It 539 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: didn't make a name for its out, so yeah, that's 540 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: pretty neat. Uh. 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