WEBVTT - A Reality Star Reacts To Upcoming Tell-All Book, Whose Side Are You On?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Kathy Schwartz, your celebrity mentor back with my fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>podcast producer Heather and let's get right back into some

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<v Speaker 1>more of these celebrity divorce headline stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this one is this person is no stranger to

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines. Kate Goslin compares current drama with son Colin

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<v Speaker 2>to the negative energy she's faced in the past. And wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Goslin has faced quite a bit of negativity. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Kate from the hit TV showback on TLC,

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<v Speaker 2>the Kate plus eight John and Kate plus eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Before that, before she got divorced.

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<v Speaker 2>So right now, Colin is, you know, starting to do

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<v Speaker 2>the press circuit for his book. But it says Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Goslin is adamantly in good spirits despite her ongoing estrangement

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<v Speaker 2>from son Colin ahead of the release of his tell

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<v Speaker 2>all memoir. In the comments of Kate's Tuesday TikTok upload

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<v Speaker 2>about life in the Wild Wild West Homestead, a social

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<v Speaker 2>media user apologized if negative energy had affected the reality

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<v Speaker 2>TV alum, and she responded, I am and I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 2>This is honestly small compared to what me and my

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<v Speaker 2>other kids have been through back in the day. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Kate shares twins Maddie and Kara, who are both twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and sex tuplets Colin, Joel, Aidan, Hannah, Alexis Leah

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<v Speaker 2>all twenty two with ex husband John Gosslin. Hearing their

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<v Speaker 2>ages first of all freaks me out because I was

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<v Speaker 2>a very big time watcher of John Kate plus eight

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<v Speaker 2>and I watched those babies be fed like sitting up

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<v Speaker 2>in my chairs. So the fact that the youngest are

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<v Speaker 2>now twenty two is crazy. So Kate was initially granted

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<v Speaker 2>primary custody of all eight children when her and John divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>but Colin, however, claimed that he was institutionalized by Kate

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<v Speaker 2>after alleged behavioral issues. Her ex John, later sought custody

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<v Speaker 2>of Colin, leading to the latter's estrangement with Kate. John

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<v Speaker 2>also received custody of Hannah, who is still in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with her mom. Colin is now ready to share his

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<v Speaker 2>side of his upbringing and family drama. In his debut

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<v Speaker 2>memoir In the Shadow of Eight, Surviving the Reality of

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<v Speaker 2>My Childhood, he says, my life was always broadcast millions,

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<v Speaker 2>but what was actually happening in my life was never shown.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, much of it has much of it was

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<v Speaker 2>deliberately kept hidden, he told us Weekly last month. Kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rubs me the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate's comments that she's basically happy what rubbed.

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<v Speaker 2>She literally says, this is small compared to what me

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<v Speaker 2>and kids have been through. I think that she is

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<v Speaker 2>known in the press for kind of being a little unemotional.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who watched the show would also say that she

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<v Speaker 2>was criticized a lot back in the day for how

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<v Speaker 2>she was basically degrading of her now ex husband on

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<v Speaker 2>camera and emasculating him constantly. She's known for kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like running a tight ship when it comes to these kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that you do have to take that

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<v Speaker 2>on when you're when there's more kids than there are parents, when.

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<v Speaker 1>Many kids, Yeah, yeah, got it. I had I had three,

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<v Speaker 1>and I ran a tight ship. So I can't hold

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<v Speaker 1>that against her.

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<v Speaker 3>No, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I would be commenting if one

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<v Speaker 2>of my estranged children was out there making comments about me,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be acknowledging it, And

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<v Speaker 2>if I did, I would probably just say if my sonstening,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know, I want him to know that

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<v Speaker 2>I love him so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's and that's in the fairy tale book that

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<v Speaker 1>you read before you go to bed at night.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think as a parent, that's part of actually

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<v Speaker 2>a public parent. I don't think that. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be leading with love, and I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be like trying to come to situations and listen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really interested actually to hear what this book is about,

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<v Speaker 2>because he has basically said in so little words that like,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have behavioral issues, and so I'm interested to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what his experience was.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad that he's getting to use his voice.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do find it interesting that, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way of Hollywood. This that show was watched

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<v Speaker 1>by millions. It is to be brought up in the public.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sad and yet I at the same time I

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<v Speaker 1>understand Colin doing what he's doing. He said that this

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<v Speaker 1>book is about truth, survival, resilience, and finding my voice

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<v Speaker 1>after years of being silenced. If my story helps even

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<v Speaker 1>one person feel less alone or gives them the courage

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<v Speaker 1>to tell their own, then every difficult page was worth writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Kate is denying all the accusations. I think again,

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<v Speaker 1>in a perfect world, she would lead with love and

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<v Speaker 1>Colin wouldn't feel the need. He might write his memoir

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe not feel the need to share it with everyone. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the way their childhood, their life has been

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<v Speaker 1>very public, and so in some ways I understand his

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<v Speaker 1>need to come forward and speak as truth, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't think that's the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think more is gonna come out about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kate can only you know it says that

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<v Speaker 1>she's focused on her daily life for their other children.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just ignore a book that talks so openly

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<v Speaker 1>about what Colin says his childhood was like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be more to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that it's a time for reflection and

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<v Speaker 2>some humility. I think you would agree with me as

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<v Speaker 2>a parent that there isn't really a playbook for how

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<v Speaker 2>to be a parent. All children are different and so

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<v Speaker 2>nobody gets it right one hundred percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm sure as a parent you could look

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<v Speaker 2>back and say, Gosh, I wish I did XYZ different

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<v Speaker 2>with this kid or this kid. And so maybe Kate,

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<v Speaker 2>you take this as an opportunity to look back and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, in that moment, I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the right thing, But clearly my child experienced something different.

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<v Speaker 2>And for that, I'm sorry, and I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to him and hear and apologize to how I

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<v Speaker 2>could have done better. And moving forward, I hope to

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<v Speaker 2>be a better listener for my child and hopefully we can.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, but there has to be some humility, and

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be, you know, some acknowledg of like

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<v Speaker 2>I did not do everything right.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a human, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my first time being a parent, this is my

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<v Speaker 2>first experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I was maybe she was feeling overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, why would you feel overwhelmed with eight children?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>But also to give her some grace, she went from

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<v Speaker 3>having a partner in her household to then all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, being the sole caretaker for these children.

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<v Speaker 1>See, that is a very important thing to remember. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can't even imagine. I had three children and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a husband who helped me raise them. I

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<v Speaker 1>think probably things happen that you and I. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a parent. I can't even imagine what her life must

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<v Speaker 1>have been like to my children. I've admitted mistakes, I

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<v Speaker 1>love my kids, but they know I've made mistakes raising them. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're raising children in a very public way, not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention octuplets or sex on a television show. On

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<v Speaker 1>a television show.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point she went in film Dancing with the

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<v Speaker 2>Stars like there was like a whole They've never had

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<v Speaker 2>a normal lifestyle, like these kids, they never had a

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<v Speaker 2>normal upbringing. Everything was under a microscope. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>that the outward appearance. Obviously you and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>these people, but my outward appearance of watching Kate and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing her in the public eye for so many years,

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<v Speaker 2>is that admitting wrongdoing and taking you know, some humble

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<v Speaker 2>pie does not come easy to her. And I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that this experience will make her maybe take a step

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<v Speaker 2>back and reflect and acknowledge you know, hey, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing the right thing, but now looking back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the same thing. Paris Hilton has been, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really open with her experience. But you know that Paris

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<v Speaker 2>was sent away to places when she was younger that

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<v Speaker 2>were not good. Paris has been able to have and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maintain a relationship with her parents, and she

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<v Speaker 2>experienced some really horrible treatment. And so when she went

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<v Speaker 2>to those institutions as a young child and teen. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that do I think it's irre. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship cannot be repaired, these two, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they can.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got to meet halfway and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of probably admit that you did some wrongdoing or that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, looking back, I didn't do as much research

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<v Speaker 2>as I needed to, Xyz. I had so many kids,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I didn't get the help I needed. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Colin also needs to probably take some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>steps back and say, like, was my mom being malicious

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<v Speaker 2>with me? Or was she trying to do the best

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<v Speaker 2>that she could with the tools that she was given

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just say you are given, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful to give them both so much grace, But everything

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about comes from people who have done the work.

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<v Speaker 1>They've gone back, and I don't know off either one

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<v Speaker 1>of them how much work they've done. But I truly

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<v Speaker 1>hope that both of them, as you said, can take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back and that this memoir is as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a book that is a tell all. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it is an opening for them to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to repair their relationship because we're only here for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I hate to think that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I hate to think that this has impacted his

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with his siblings. If that's the case, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>real shame as well, because those are that's such a

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<v Speaker 2>special bond. I can't you hear about twins, but sex tuplets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's got to be, you know, a very serious bond.

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<v Speaker 2>So I we're all hoping for them to get on

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<v Speaker 2>track with each other again. And obviously I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>have Calling come on the pod and speak to his

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<v Speaker 2>experience about you know, being a product of divorce and

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<v Speaker 2>you know all of that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was one of seven kids product of divorce, so

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<v Speaker 1>he and I probably could share some stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, wrapping it up, Jennifer Garner says, relying on

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<v Speaker 2>incredible co parent Ben Affleck freed her to film The

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<v Speaker 2>five Star Weekend. So Entertainment Weekly says that Jennifer Garner

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<v Speaker 2>made the decision that when she became a mom, no

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<v Speaker 2>film or TV work would keep her away from her

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<v Speaker 2>kids for too long. Her three children, Violet, Sarafina, and Samuel,

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<v Speaker 2>are now older and she's still sticking to that plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer originally turned down the five Star Weekend because filming

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<v Speaker 2>took place in Nova Scotia and she was not willing

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<v Speaker 2>to be that far away from her kids. Production then

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<v Speaker 2>moved primarily to Los Angeles, with just one month in Nantucket,

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<v Speaker 2>making it possible for Ben to care for their three

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<v Speaker 2>kids while she worked on the film. Jennifer said that

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<v Speaker 2>because their kids are older and Ben stepped up, she

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<v Speaker 2>was finally able to accept the role and didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>any guilt. Jennifer also says she has no regrets about

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<v Speaker 2>slowing her career when her children were younger because she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be present for them. These two continue to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about each other publicly in such high regards, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know that when Ben has had issues when he

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<v Speaker 2>was with j Lo and whatnot and back and like

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<v Speaker 2>in the interim, him and Jen have always remained tight

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of them together, showing up to kids things together.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that they're a great example of putting

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<v Speaker 2>the kids first.

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<v Speaker 1>You took the words right out of my mouth. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be done. I honestly believe they set the bar

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<v Speaker 1>for all other couples, public couples. Hollywood couples who are

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<v Speaker 1>in the public eye. It can be done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to give grace to anybody listening right

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<v Speaker 2>now who absolutely despises and hates their ex and doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be in the same room with them.

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<v Speaker 3>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say this, Kathy, because as much as my

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<v Speaker 2>parents really did make it work after some years, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my parents spent holidays together when my mom was passing

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<v Speaker 2>away and in her last stages of life, there were

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<v Speaker 2>numerous times where I showed up to see my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and my dad would be there holding her hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't expecting that. And that's because there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of love between them. And I'm very aware

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<v Speaker 2>that that was not a normal situation for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people and might not be for people that are

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<v Speaker 2>listening right now. And I just want to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>in going through my own really traumatic breakup, I've had

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<v Speaker 2>so much compassion for people that go through your divorce

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<v Speaker 2>and have children because I can't imagine seeing my ex

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<v Speaker 2>again for the rest of my life. I literally can't

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<v Speaker 2>imagine seeing them. And I know that people listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast have gone through serious traumatic divorces involving cheating

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<v Speaker 2>and all sorts of stuff and to show up and

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<v Speaker 2>put your feelings aside for your kids. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to commend people that do it, because truly, we sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and we talk about how great it is for

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<v Speaker 2>Ben and Jen to do it, But I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>actually being in the situation and having to do it

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<v Speaker 2>and having to put my feelings aside for my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine seeing my ex with somebody else moving

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<v Speaker 2>on and having to welcome that person into my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it sounds so.

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<v Speaker 2>Difficult, and so for anybody listening right now, that is

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<v Speaker 2>like not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you can get there because you love

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<v Speaker 2>your kids so much. I don't have children, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have something to pour into like that, so I

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine it. And if I was a parent, I

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<v Speaker 2>would probably want to put my kids first for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're going through it and you can't see

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<v Speaker 2>the light at the end of the tunnel and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have divorced parents, just know that, like it will

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<v Speaker 2>meet in the world to your kids when they can

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<v Speaker 2>have those memories in those moments to look back on.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got to go on vacation with my parents together,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have memories of having dinner together. Like as

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<v Speaker 2>I got older, and even after I was like in college,

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<v Speaker 2>moved out, whatever, I would go to see my mom

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<v Speaker 2>and she would go, oh, you know who I had

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<v Speaker 2>dinner with the other night.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say, who did she go? Your dad? He called

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<v Speaker 3>me up and we went and had dinner together. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was so.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice because they loved each other so much, even though

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<v Speaker 2>their marriage ended in such a bad way. But it'll

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<v Speaker 2>mean the world to your kids, anybody listening, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to get over it. But I'm just here to

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<v Speaker 2>say that I understand that it sounds horrific. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>horrific to be friends with an next I can't imagine it.

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<v Speaker 3>I really can't.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I just want to say to you,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you, Heather, and you have so much love

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<v Speaker 1>in your heart, and I think what you're saying comes

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<v Speaker 1>from such a place of love, and I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you one hundred percent. If parents, I wish my parents

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<v Speaker 1>could have been more like Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was miserable, and the trickle down effect to me

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<v Speaker 1>and my siblings. There was some pretty horrific times. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the operative word here is love and respect.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you, if, if people going through it right

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<v Speaker 1>now can just remember that there is sun on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, whatever that, you know, whatever metaphor you want

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<v Speaker 1>to use, the sun will rise again if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can put your kids first. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult for some of these couples we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>today because they are so much in the public eye.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and you know, you and I my parents

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have publicists. I mean, we could hide a lot

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't have to be known. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that chill you. Oh. I've always said this. You bring

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<v Speaker 1>those children into the world, you owe them, You owe

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<v Speaker 1>them to bring them up and have them feel love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that simple for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do your best. Go talk smack about Go talk

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<v Speaker 2>smack about your ex to your friends, like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they're there for, you know what I mean, Go write

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<v Speaker 2>it in the journal. Just don't talk about it to

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<v Speaker 2>your kids. I mean, were my parents perfect? And did

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<v Speaker 2>they say like snarky things about each other when we

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<v Speaker 2>were around without the of course, come on there they

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the divorce was very.

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<v Speaker 3>Not mutual.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that, and so there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of animosity for a while. But you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, I didn't appreciate it like I did

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<v Speaker 2>in these last couple of years going through my own experience,

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<v Speaker 2>because it really gave me a lot of perspective on

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<v Speaker 2>my dad and the kind of feelings he had when

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<v Speaker 2>he would show up. So it gives me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of empathy for him, and I just my heart really

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<v Speaker 2>goes out to single parents and people going through divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it is traumatic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really really traumatic, and it's going to be traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>for your kids, and it's going to impact them in

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<v Speaker 2>some way. I'm still finding out as an adult the

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<v Speaker 2>way that impact.

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<v Speaker 1>We never stopped growing. But let me just say to you,

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<v Speaker 1>it the one gift that we can always give our children.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've learned this pretty late in life. Our kids

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<v Speaker 1>don't watch as much what we say. They watch a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot closer what we do. And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>want your children, I firmly believe this, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>your children to go up and be loving, respectful, kind adults,

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<v Speaker 1>then you need to model that and you need to

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<v Speaker 1>model it with everyone in your life. And some people

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to model with than others. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>teach even though the divorce may be really tough on you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough on your kids, but at least you can

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<v Speaker 1>teach them how to move forward in a positive way

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<v Speaker 1>and not be throwing daggers. That's what I learned as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult. I wish my parents had modeled it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't, but I've learned it as an adult.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if these divorce stories in the news sound like

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<v Speaker 2>a cakewalk compared to your issues, are you needing some

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<v Speaker 2>help to get through kind of this messiness and divorce?

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