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Speaker 1: Ship. Are you ready for this today?

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, this is an exciting one.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm so excited, as you guys know. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about overcoming fear this month on the Velvet

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast and there are just so many different things

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Speaker 1: around fear, and I think a big fear for most

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Speaker 1: of us is the fear of the unknown. So if

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Speaker 1: there's something that we don't know or something that we

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Speaker 1: don't understand, it becomes scary or I know that's how

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Speaker 1: it is for me, and I think this topic really

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Speaker 1: falls into that category. I was lucky enough to meet

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Speaker 1: our guests in a workshop that I did called the

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Speaker 1: Breakup boot Camp, and it completely shifted the narrative in

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Speaker 1: my head of what I thought about what a Dominatrix

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Speaker 1: would be. And so today here with us is Dominatrix, Educatrix, Shamanatrix.

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Speaker 1: She's a writer, a human atrix, and a create Create Tricks.

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Speaker 1: Did I get that right? I stole that from your

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Speaker 1: website because I thought it was so brilliant. But Collette

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Speaker 1: Purvet is here, and Collette, we're just so happy to

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Speaker 1: have you here with us.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, So, as I mentioned, we were at the

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Speaker 1: Breakup boot Camp and you were one of the facilitators

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Speaker 1: that came in and spoke. And the cool thing about

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Speaker 1: that boot camp it's put on by Amy Chan. She's

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Speaker 1: an amazing woman. She's also been a guest on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: so you guys might be familiar with her work. If

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Speaker 1: you aren't, you should definitely go check her out.

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Speaker 3: She's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But the cool thing about that workshop is there's all

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Speaker 1: these different facilitators that come in and it's really about

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Speaker 1: helping the women after a breakup really lean into their

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Speaker 1: own power, their own self love, and all different formats

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Speaker 1: of that. And so you came in and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what a dominatrix? Like how does this play into me

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Speaker 1: getting over my breakup? Like I don't understand. But you

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Speaker 1: were so open and vulnerable, and you told your story

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Speaker 1: first before we talked about the work that you did,

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Speaker 1: and immediately I felt this just like connection to you

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Speaker 1: because it was such a beautiful story. So I was

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Speaker 1: wondering if you would be so open to share that

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Speaker 1: with Chip and with our listeners and just kind of

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Speaker 1: talk through the journey of your life and how you

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Speaker 1: got into your line of work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be so happy too. And yeah, so where

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Speaker 3: should I begin?

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Speaker 1: I know, take us back, could take us all the

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Speaker 1: way back.

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Speaker 3: All the way back to childhood, to the point I

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Speaker 3: decided to become a dominatrix.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the cool thing about what you shared

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Speaker 1: at the boot camp was part of your childhood and

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Speaker 1: just the dynamics between you and your family and how

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Speaker 1: really want to learn about your own power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was born and raised in Orange County,

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Speaker 3: and my folks were from Vietnam and immigrated here in

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Speaker 3: immigrant refugees, and they've been through so much in their

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Speaker 3: journey of escaping a war torn country, coming here on

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Speaker 3: a boat and risking their lives and giving me this

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Speaker 3: wanted to be white up in Orange County and had

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Speaker 3: us being poor, about even just my body and my

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Speaker 3: and a huge part of that was actually choosing to

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Speaker 3: become a dominatrix, not even knowing that that was going

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Speaker 3: to be such a healing journey and path for me,

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Speaker 3: but just taking that step of wanting to try something new,

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Speaker 3: something I've never even really heard of before. It transformed

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Speaker 3: my whole life. From someone who had eating disorders and

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Speaker 3: body dysmorphia, I was putting on lingerie and being surrounded

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Speaker 3: by powerful, badass fems who were affirming me and being like,

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Speaker 3: my subs worshiping me, and that that shifted my my

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Speaker 3: my self perception of you know, the insecurities I have

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Speaker 3: just being able to express that being able to express

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Speaker 3: the parts of yourself that you're ashamed of. And you

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Speaker 3: know what I did break up food Camp, and how

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Speaker 3: I like to open up my containers is by being

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Speaker 3: that's when you can alchemize that shadow, when you take

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Speaker 3: you put it out there, it's no longer your shame,

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Speaker 3: it's your power, it's your truth, and just by owning it,

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Speaker 3: by saying it, you own it. And when you own it,

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Speaker 3: no one can take that truth away from you. And

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Speaker 3: I think that that's something that also happens inside the

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Speaker 3: session in kink, right when a sub comes to me

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Speaker 3: and tells me their deepest, darkest desires, their secret fantasies

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Speaker 3: that they haven't told anyone, that is also a moment

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Speaker 3: just love like this aspect of like the thing that

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Speaker 3: actually run towards or move through. And the journey that

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Speaker 3: I've taken in just being a dom has allowed me

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Speaker 3: to witness every single time that when you step into

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Speaker 3: the unknown, when you step into the moment of vulnerability

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that idea. I did a podcast earlier

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Speaker 1: or this was last week, I guess, and it was

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Speaker 1: with an astrologer. He's on our podcast once a month,

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Speaker 1: but we were talking a lot about the shadow self,

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Speaker 1: and he brought up this quote by Pima Children and

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Speaker 1: she says, you know, the bravest thing is for us

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Speaker 1: to look within ourselves at our shadow because at first,

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Speaker 1: it's really embarrassing, like none of us want to see

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Speaker 1: ourselves in that light. You know, there's these things that

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Speaker 1: we were pressed and we hold down, and whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: I think it could come in the form of the

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Speaker 1: work that you do, where you're seeing people maybe in

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Speaker 1: their sexual things that they've repressed, but there's all sorts

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Speaker 1: of narratives around that. It could be anything. And I

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Speaker 1: think as humans, or for me, like the most healing

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Speaker 1: need connection, and when we're being vulnerable with each other

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Speaker 1: and sharing those parts of ourselves, it does it loses

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Speaker 1: its power and we realize like everyone has that stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's not so scary once it's just

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Speaker 1: set out out it does, it loses its power. So

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they begin to see how much

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Speaker 3: power they have when they choose to be vulnerable and

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Speaker 3: step into the unknown and give me their power. And

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Speaker 3: I think that it's a misconception that the subs or

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Speaker 3: the clients I see don't have power. It's actually the opposite.

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Speaker 3: They're giving me power, invite into that. It means that

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Speaker 3: they have power and they know that they have it,

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Speaker 3: and they realize that even more through the session as

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Speaker 3: they keep on giving up more and more themselves to

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Speaker 3: the deep surrender into the unknown. And I think that

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Speaker 3: the journey of a session is the deep dive into

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Speaker 3: discovering your power. And it's paradoxical, and that the more

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Speaker 3: the more that you can surrender, the more that you

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Speaker 3: are because you are trusting yourself and the do and

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Speaker 3: the moment everything and saying yes, I'll take this on,

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Speaker 3: I'll experience this and feel this. Even though it's painful

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Speaker 4: Well, especially when you're coming out of it alive and safe.

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Speaker 4: On the other side, it's like an empowering thing that

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Speaker 4: you know, I would I'm curious, Like, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what your relationship is like with your clients,

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Speaker 4: like if if when you're together it is very specific

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Speaker 4: to what that moment needs to be, or if there

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Speaker 4: is any sort of level of like talk therapy that

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Speaker 4: happens too, Like are these people taking what they're learning

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Speaker 4: where they're you know, obviously it takes a lot of

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Speaker 4: courage to submit to somebody, and there's obviously a lot

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Speaker 4: you know, we're taught so much of that. So to

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Speaker 4: can only imagine what it would allow someone in a

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Speaker 2: It must be really powerful in those other situations.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that it's like what happens on

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Speaker 3: the micro level inside the dungeon is also what happens

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Speaker 3: that the dungeon is kind of this training ground in

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Speaker 3: It's really deep and goes through all of the parts

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Speaker 3: where I ask the sub what is it that you want,

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Speaker 3: And we establish all of that before we begin, and

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Speaker 3: that's how they feel completely seen, heard, held, accepted, and

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Speaker 3: even the parts to where they're like, oh, I've never

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Speaker 3: It's cathartic even just in the moment of sharing that

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Speaker 3: Then you just transcended these dualities of your mind of

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have so many questions.

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Speaker 2: I'm me too, Like, I just don't know what's want

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Speaker 2: to ask first?

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Speaker 1: I know, okay, Well, I just yeah, I feel the same.

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Speaker 1: I'm like tongue tied because I'm like, I don't ask

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Speaker 1: this this like one did you just wake up one

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Speaker 1: day and you're like, you know what I'm really interested

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Speaker 1: in is being a dominatrix? Like where did that start?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I didn't even know what a dominatrix was until

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Speaker 3: I was in grad school. And this was like seventeen

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Speaker 3: or eighteen years ago, and two of my friends started

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Speaker 3: working at a house of domination called the Gates, and

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Speaker 3: one of them told me about their experience they had

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Speaker 3: that day. I was like, so, what did you do today?

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Speaker 3: They're like, well, I tied a guy up strap strap on,

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Speaker 2: Who was the boss, Like who do you interview with?

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Speaker 1: Right, like what you would expect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, can you take us into like the dungeon because

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's the most accurate way to think.

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Speaker 3: spacious and has like the Saint Andrew's cross, banking bench, sling,

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, go back. You said a spanking

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Speaker 3: What St Andrew's crash a bench?

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Speaker 3: just a little negotiation area where we sit in chat

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Speaker 4: So I was just gonna ask, are the clients fully

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Speaker 3: And if they're a regular I've had regulars of like

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Speaker 1: Okay. If you've had like clients that long, that's almost

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Speaker 3: I just respect where they're at with how they want

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Speaker 1: We're both just like taking it all in well. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that is a common misconception that that

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Speaker 3: in most classical typical sessions, they don't. It's really about

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Speaker 3: But in sessions, that's about really exploring all the other

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Speaker 3: in unexpected ways. And the unexpected places are the places

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the work of the mistress, that

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Speaker 1: And do you get people that come in and they're like,

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Speaker 1: And it's part of the journey to bring that out.

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Speaker 3: They always know. They know, Okay, you always know, and

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Speaker 4: Are most of them people that in their daily lives

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Speaker 3: I think that that stereotype is true for some for

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Speaker 3: Why am I thinking about this right now? I mean

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Speaker 3: like brad career, I had these weird medical play scenes

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Speaker 3: It's because I'm so fucking stressed out right now trying

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Speaker 3: this is what happens. These fantasies arise subconsciously because your

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Speaker 1: I love the psychological aspect of that, Like, I'm fascinated

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Speaker 1: we're so conditioned to just repress instead of like explore

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Speaker 1: a young age to just stuff anything sexual just down,

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00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not okay, and there's only these

438
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: certain conditions where those kind of things are acceptable. So

439
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: do you deal with that a lot? Like helping people

440
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: work through some of that repression.

441
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I feel like that is the crux of the

442
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: work of being create a safe space. I think the

443
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: dungeon is this place of no judgment. There's absolutely no judgment,

444
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: and that is just the most cathartic space to be

445
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: and to not be judged. And I think that for

446
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 3: anyone to be themselves, to be able to share who

447
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: what's inside, even though it seems so wild and crazy,

448
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: even there this is what they might be into. But

449
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: to be able to have no judgment, to not think

450
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: that this thing is good or bad, right or wrong, normal, crazy,

451
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: and just be accepted for all that you are, and

452
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: all and all the parts of you that's coming up

453
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: and wants to come out and express itself. Right to

454
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: be able to like for a man to dress up

455
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: as a woman, to enjoy that experience and to be

456
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: treated like one and to be taken like one. It's

457
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: cathotic to be able to transcend gender, to transcend ideas

458
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: of how one should be. And I think that's the

459
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: reason why men typically see doms. It's because our society

460
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: and our culture has conditioned us and condition men to

461
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 3: define themselves in such a narrow way. If a man cries,

462
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: then he makes them less of a man. If he

463
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: wants to let the woman lead. That makes them less

464
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: of a man, right when if they express themselves in

465
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: a way that's through screaming or moaning or whatever it is,

466
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: that's not masculine or manly. I think that it's allowing

467
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: the sub or the man or whomever to be able

468
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: to express whatever wants to come out and not think

469
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 3: and does this make me less the man? Does this

470
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: make me? Okay? Does this make me what? It's just

471
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: like you don't even have to think about it. There's

472
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: no fat it's just feeling and no judgment in how

473
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: you feel and be in the moment.

474
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's like where the fear. It's like releasing fear completely.

475
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: Because I was as you were talking, I was thinking, yeah,

476
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me that men specifically would want

477
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to go to a session like this because I can't

478
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: imagine that it's easy. And maybe this is this goes

479
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: for women too. It's for all of us to approach

480
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: your partner about certain things, like it's scary because you know,

481
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: obviously they're going to have their reaction probably based on

482
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: their own fear. Like you know, like if I was

483
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: in a partner with a man, that's I mean in

484
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: a yeah, partner with that right now, A partnership with

485
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: a man who came to me and was like, Hey,

486
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: I think it's really going to turn me on if

487
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: I dress like a woman. I know that Initially my

488
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: reaction would be like, wait, what does that mean? You

489
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: know it would produce all this fear within me, and

490
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I say, I want my partner to come to me

491
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: with fantasies and all that stuff, but it is scary,

492
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: and so it takes a certain kind of partnership, I think,

493
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: to be able to really work through those dynamics together.

494
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: So it's of course like that makes so much sense

495
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: that they would associate a place where there's no judgment,

496
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: no shame, it's just complete freedom to work out whatever

497
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: it is that you want.

498
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: Do you find that any of your clients are taking

499
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: their newfound like freedom in these kinks back to their

500
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: partners and exercising them at home.

501
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Or is this a fantasy world that they need.

502
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: To exist sort of separate from the rest of their lives,

503
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: particularly when it comes to sex with a partner or whatever.

504
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: I think it very depending on what individual to another.

505
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: Some just experience this moment of catharsis and it just

506
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: they let that feeling and that bliss and that knowing

507
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: of what they have just experienced kind of carrying them

508
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: through their days and they're like, Okay, this is my

509
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: other side that gets to experience the unknown. And then

510
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: there are some who do want to talk about it

511
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: and do want to explore how this experience is actually

512
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: something that can can affect the way that they connect

513
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: with their partners, the way they connect with their associates

514
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: at work. It's something that is a part of their

515
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: experience and it's shaped them and has made them more open,

516
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: more vulnerable, more adventurous, and more willing to explore the unknown.

517
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably the most the most fundamental

518
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: piece of the willingness to explore the unknown and to

519
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: shed a little bit of that fear of not of

520
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: stepping into something where you don't know what's.

521
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: Going to happen next, right right, Well, for the most

522
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: people are going to be listening to this and not

523
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: see you. She's wearing a beautiful lace mask. So I'm curious,

524
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: like if in sessions like do you always have the

525
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: mask on? Are your clients masks?

526
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: Like? What is the what's the die? The divide? Like,

527
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: is that to like and in real life, like do

528
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: they know what you look like outside of the outside

529
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: of the dungeon?

530
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't wear my veil in session, so my okay,

531
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: hubs do get to see me. We see each other

532
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: face to face and they are not veiled either. They're

533
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: fully naked and exposed. And I prefer the veiled as

534
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: I like to keep a part of this who what

535
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: I do like, I like a little bit of privacy,

536
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: and I like knowing that the people who know me

537
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: face to face or people I have seen face to

538
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: face as well.

539
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: Right, I mean I'm still at that place where I'm like,

540
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: I have a ten question, so.

541
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: I want to know how like new client, Like, I'm

542
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: not going getting very deep.

543
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm just like asking really curious questions.

544
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: But how often, like when particularly when it's a new client,

545
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: how quickly do they get to their safeword? You know,

546
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: like do you is it like you see the immediately?

547
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think that's part of like the skill

548
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: of the dom. She doesn't want the sub to get

549
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: to their safeword.

550
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Right.

551
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: When you get to your safe word, that means that

552
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: you're in fear. Yeah you tapped out, Yeah that you've

553
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: like you've touched the up on their edge and they've

554
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: like gone over the edge and make it take it anymore,

555
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: and so you're really the work of the dom is

556
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: to get them as close as they can get to

557
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: that edge, but to keep on wanting them to go

558
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 3: one step further, and to not say ford, but to

559
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I thought this would be too much before,

560
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 3: but in the moment, I am just in it and

561
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: I love it, and I could keep on saying yes

562
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: and keep on accepting this.

563
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: When you say the work of the dom, Like what

564
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: just popped in my head was like, well, like do

565
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: you go to school for this? Like how do you train?

566
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Is it trial and error? And is that like how'd

567
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: you figure out what's too far? Is it a very

568
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: like empathetic thing that you're feeling your way through each session?

569
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Or do you have some sort of training background where

570
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: people are like do this not that? Like how do

571
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: you train to become a dom?

572
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Well, there was no training for me in becoming a dom,

573
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: and I think typically in like the US, there isn't

574
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: really a formal training to become doms. What you could

575
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: do is typically you work in a house. Sometimes if

576
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: you're lucky, the house does offer training, but in my house,

577
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: there was no training. It was you shadow sessions. You

578
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: sit in on other doms sessions, just watch what they

579
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: do until you feel like you can do that too

580
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: and want to start making money. Then you start taking

581
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 3: sessions and then you learn as you go. Yeah, and

582
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: sometimes you can. There are instances where I wouldn't. I

583
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: mentored a lot of doms in my in my career

584
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: to explore this world and have them shadow my sessions

585
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: and just showed them the ropes. And so, because I

586
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: feel like there's not enough education out there in becoming

587
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: a DOM, I've created my own course of entraining and

588
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: mentorship for women and fems who want to explore becoming

589
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: doms as a way to give them a sense of

590
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: like what to look out for, what to do, how

591
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: do you call it dom persona? How do you bring

592
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: out this voice, this act, this playfulness? And so I

593
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: just put together everything that I've learned in my seventeen

594
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: years as a DOM into a program that feels like

595
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: a deep dive into this world of kink.

596
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: Well, You've talked a lot about it being mostly male clients,

597
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: but so I want to talk a little bit about

598
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: this workshop that you offer it's called the Mistress Class.

599
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: Is that right? That's not that fun? Yes, and so,

600
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: and you can find all the info on your website,

601
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: which I'll link all of that in the description of

602
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: this podcast. But are you seeing a lot of women

603
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: come into this work or just have interest in this

604
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing now, Like, has that shifted over the years?

605
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: Is it more prevalent now than it was in the past.

606
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: Yes, It's definitely more prevalent now. And the first time

607
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: I launched a mistress class, over one hundred women and

608
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: fems enrolled in the course and I was blown away

609
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: by it. Yeah, And I think that it just speaks

610
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 3: to how the times are shifting and that there are

611
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: so many women and fems out there who want to

612
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: explore stepping into their power, who want to explore this

613
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: whole other world where they are worshiped and they are

614
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: adored for being in the power, in their feminine power.

615
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: Can you touch a little bit on what that would

616
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: look like, because I know we've talked a lot about

617
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: masculine and feminine energy on this podcast, and I'll have

618
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: people come on and kind of talk through like, you know,

619
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: the masculine is a very leadership type energy and so

620
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I think some people interpret the feminine energy to be weak,

621
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, it's like so the opposite. But

622
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm not allays able to verbalize the power of the feminine.

623
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Do you have some sort of definition you give to

624
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: people or description of what that might look like?

625
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: For me? I think it it's a personal definition of

626
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: what power is and how I define it. And I

627
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: think that when we think about power, it does have

628
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: this it's rooted in a very masculine, patriarchal way when

629
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: you think aboutwer of control and being able to dominate

630
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and you think of like political

631
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: leaders or celebrities. But I think that what's happening in

632
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: this space is that we start to define the power

633
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: the power in a different way, in a more feminine way,

634
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: and it's not weak but soft, and it's not rooted

635
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: in patriarchal terms of competition of one has to lose

636
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: for the other to win. But the power of the

637
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: feminine is actually about collaborating, cooperation and being able to

638
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: come together to support each other into coming into our

639
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: power together. And that's a huge piece of what I

640
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: think the power of the feminine is. It's the way

641
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: that we come together in connection, collaboration, and cooperation to

642
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: make each and every one of us stronger. And that's

643
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: what's so powerful in Mistress Class that I didn't even

644
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: realize until all these incredible bad ass fems showed up,

645
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: and the way that they supported each other into exploring

646
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: their dominant size, it was so powerful. The way that

647
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: they show love, support, encouragement to explore themselves. No, it

648
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: feels really vulnerable, even though it feels really edgy, but

649
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: to be able to be supported by each other and

650
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: to see that we can all explore this and find

651
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: ways to define what power is for us and for me,

652
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: power is the ability to create change. And I think

653
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: the power of the feminine is just there's it's a

654
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: much subtler way to create change. It's not forceful, it's

655
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: not brute force or control. It's it's inspiring. It's inspirational change.

656
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: Its inspires you to want to to change yourself or

657
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: change what's around you. And I think that that's really

658
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: the power of the feminine for me.

659
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's amazing that that's what your workshop,

660
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: that's what you noticed with the women, because I think

661
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: so often something that I've experienced or it's just kind

662
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: of like our culture maybe and like social media world

663
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: and all of it is we are put in direct

664
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: competition with each other constantly, Like it's like I have

665
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: to be this way to keep a man's attention, you know,

666
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: to then like and it's so much pressure and then

667
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: you find yourself, do you know, doing the comparison thing,

668
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: or like you said, trying to control like driving to

669
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: like win, to do all this stuff, and it takes

670
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: you completely out of your own power when you're doing that.

671
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: And so it's such a beautiful thing to hear you

672
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: say that what you notice with the women was their

673
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: encouragement of each other, because I do believe what you're

674
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: saying is true, that that does make us so much

675
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: more powerful than tearing each other down and competing with

676
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: each other and not standing in our own power and uniqueness.

677
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So I think that what this this idea

678
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: of like competition, the idea of like power in these

679
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: defined and pretriorchical ways, it really stems from this like

680
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: scarcity mindset. Yes, that there's not enough for all of us.

681
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: That if you have this, then I can't have it.

682
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: And so what's so powerful of the feminine power is

683
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: the abundant mindset that there is enough for all of us.

684
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: And what I love doing is sharing my subs with

685
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: my mistresses and they get to experience playing with them,

686
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: connecting with them. And also I bring on other guest

687
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 3: doms into the course so that they could see, like, wow,

688
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: there's so many ways for you to access your inner

689
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: dom into weave your own personality into this. There's not

690
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: just one way to do it, but it's the way

691
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: that we all come together. And what's so beautiful about

692
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 3: this world is really the sisterhood, the DOM sisterhood I have.

693
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: I am so grateful for the community of DOM sisters

694
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: who have been so supportive because this work is still

695
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: in the shadows and that we are still being suppressed

696
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: in social media in all these spaces, and that we

697
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: have to keep on supporting each other so that we

698
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: can be seen and heard and accepted culturally.

699
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we tell us a little bit about what So

700
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: if people listening are like, oh my god, I'm kind

701
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: of interested in that, I feel like also I wonder

702
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: if listeners are listening and they're like, I'm very interested

703
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: in that, but I'm also really scared shit list that

704
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm interested in that, Like I wonder if you're like

705
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: battling yourselves because I feel that a little bit.

706
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I was going to say that's kind of

707
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: how I feel, but it's like, well, I mean, it's like,

708
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: because I want the bravery to think that I'd be

709
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: able to step into that and be comfortable.

710
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: But I'm like, but I don't think I could, you know,

711
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: so it's like you could, Yeah.

712
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I look, I think also some of that

713
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 4: is probably coming for me, Like what kind of shame

714
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: would I carry if somebody knew that I was doing that?

715
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: You know, because there is there's that.

716
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 4: Element to it too, because obviously if you're going to

717
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: do something like this, you have to be doing it

718
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: for yourself.

719
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: So you know, do you share with people that you're

720
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: doing it.

721
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: Or do you just like let it unlock something in

722
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: you that then you share that power with people without

723
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: having to tell them how you arrived.

724
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: It probably up to you.

725
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll let you know, Kelly, if I ever

726
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: do it, well, you know.

727
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell the whole world.

728
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, you'll make me talk about it on hare.

729
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: So so what would you say to listeners collect that

730
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: would be maybe kind of battling with themselves about that.

731
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: Is that a common reaction that you get.

732
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think that there are those

733
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: who have been curious about exploring this but feel like

734
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: there's some resistance to it, and that resistance is their

735
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: own self judgment, or maybe it's the voices that they've

736
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: been internalized from around them growing up or even in

737
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: their social circle that maybe they are in a space

738
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: where they feel uncomfortable to share these desires and so

739
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: they're like, what do I, how do I? What do

740
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: I do with this? And I would say, if you

741
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: have the desire, you should seek that out. I think

742
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: that's the point of life and why we're here to

743
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: explore what makes us curious. I if I didn't explore

744
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: this little thing I was curious about, I was like,

745
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: why do men pay these doms to this on them?

746
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't get it and get it? Until I was

747
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: in session with them and I was doing I was like,

748
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: I get it now. I told they are really enjoying this,

749
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: and I could and I am too. Yeah, these things

750
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: that you know, when you verbalize it, it doesn't make

751
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: sense because you've been conditioned to avoid these things, But

752
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: then when you experience it, you're like, oh, it actually

753
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: feels really good. That's why, Well explore that. And so

754
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: what's holding you back are just voices that have been

755
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: conditioned within you to think that this is bad. But

756
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: when you can experience something without judgment, that's pure bliss.

757
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: Right to be able to experience this feeling of complete surrender,

758
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: of being able to be someone else, to cry, to scream,

759
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: to moan, to be completely in bondage, and yet you're like,

760
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: I feel so free right now to experience intense pain,

761
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: but yet it feels so good the way she's spanking

762
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: me right now. I didn't know I would love the

763
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: kinge though. That's when that happens. That's like the orgasm

764
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 3: of your mind, right, It's the orgasm of like, Aha,

765
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: I had no idea it could be like this. And

766
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: I've had so many subs in the past who are like,

767
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: I can't believe that I just had an orgasm from

768
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: getting fucked in the ass, well, but a full body

769
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: orgasm like the way women get. And it's like, if

770
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: only all men in the world knew that there was

771
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: this whole other way to experience this orgasm. Oh my god,

772
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I got to experience it rather than

773
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: not right. But even that is such an edge right

774
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: for most men or even women to think about that,

775
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: to be taken in that way, to open yourself up,

776
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: to be stretched in that way, to completely surrender in

777
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: that way. But when you do and there's no judgment

778
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: around it, and you could just feel how good it feels,

779
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: that's you transcending all dualities of your mind and the

780
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: society's dualities of what's right, wrong, good, bad, mask and

781
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: feminine crazy normal, all of it's gone. Yeah, and you're

782
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: just truly being that's bliss.

783
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: How hard was.

784
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: It for you to get to a place of no judgment,

785
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 4: because I mean, I would imagine that, like some people

786
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: have walked through your door where you're like, oh, I

787
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: don't want to see this person naked, you know, or

788
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 4: like someone has a fantasy, or like wow, I didn't

789
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: see that coming.

790
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: I I feel like I don't have that feeling. I

791
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: don't have that judgment when someone does it. I think

792
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: that that's been Maybe it wasn't the case always, but

793
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: like that is the work that I think we're here

794
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: to do, which is to let go of those judgments,

795
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: because when you judge something, you cease to understand it.

796
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: Right when you judge something and you're like, that's not

797
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 3: for me, that's bad. Your ego. You're this thing that's

798
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: protecting you from it, from getting hurt or getting whatever

799
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: it is. It's blocking you from being able to fully

800
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: understand it an experience or or even get to know it.

801
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 3: And so for me, I am not I'm typically not judgey.

802
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

803
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean that's amazing, Like, I mean, I think

804
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: that that's a it's a that's a place that we

805
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 4: all should get to. Yeah, And I do like that

806
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 4: was a really interesting sort of point of view, but

807
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: of like being like, if if you judge something, you

808
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: cease to understand or give yourself the opportunity to understand it.

809
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: We don't have to all like everything, you know, but

810
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: if you don't try sushi, you don't know. If you

811
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: don't you don't know if you truly like it or not.

812
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that blocks you. Judgment actually blocks

813
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: you from experiencing fullness of life, because that's not for me.

814
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: I'm not a I don't know men chocolate chip person,

815
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: whatever ice cream flavor, then you never try that flavor

816
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: and you always stick with vanilla and what you know,

817
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: because you're like, I like vanilla, right, but if you

818
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: just go, huh, that's new flavor, I guess I'll give

819
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: it to try and see what I think, right.

820
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: And I think that is so based in fear truly,

821
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: because it's like, I know, you're like, using the ice

822
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: cream example, You're like, I always eat vanilla. I'm gonna eatvanilla.

823
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to eat vanilla. I know I

824
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: like it, But there's all these other flavors, and if

825
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: you don't allow yourself to taste them and then dislike

826
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: or like some of them because you're scared to do

827
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: that or what it's going to feel like in your

828
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: mouth or something like, you really are holding yourself back.

829
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: Like it's all rooted in fear, right.

830
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's the end that and our

831
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: fear is what makes us judge something. Right. They're like,

832
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: oh that's not good, yeah, normal, that's not what I want.

833
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: I don't think I want that, right, And when you

834
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: judge it, then you're choosing not to get to know it,

835
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: experience it, identify with it.

836
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: I think that I just keep hearing the words stay curious,

837
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: stay curious.

838
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: I love to judgment.

839
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I love this whole idea. I mean,

840
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: this goes back to what you said at the beginning

841
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: of the podcast, But our true power coming when we

842
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: actually let go, you know, like it's such a life

843
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: metaphor whatever you want to say. But even in your dungeon,

844
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: when people are coming in and they're saying what their

845
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: thing is, they're letting go of the fear around it.

846
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: That's when they're truly the most powerful, is when they

847
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: just lean in and open themselves up to whatever happens next.

848
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a paradoxical thing, right. I think that

849
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: power is in actually surrendering and letting go, and that's

850
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: that's the whole I think that's the crux of BDSM.

851
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: It's the art of letting go. And we've been told

852
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: that all the time, to let go your ex so

853
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: let go of that thing you want but you can't get,

854
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. But it's so hard to just

855
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: let go. And I think that in the dungeon you

856
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 3: get to practice that, not just on a mental level

857
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: or on you know, some kind of psychological conceptual way.

858
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: It's like full on all modalities. It's the physical letting go,

859
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: the emotional letting go. It's the psychological. It's the spiritual

860
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: letting go. You are truly practicing on like the deepest

861
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: and most expansive levels of how to let go. And

862
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: when you do that, it's going to have ripple effects

863
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: in all aspects of how you navigate through the world.

864
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: Known, I love that, Well, I know we have you

865
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: have a Mistress Class starting October twenty third, which is

866
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: just around the corner. Well, you tell the people where

867
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Speaker 1: they can go sign up for this. If people are

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Speaker 1: listening and they have more questions like where they can

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Speaker 1: find all your information and contact you if needed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could find a lot about Mistress Class on

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Speaker 3: my Instagram page at collect ProVet and they could also

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Speaker 3: find it on my website and there you'll find out

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Speaker 3: all the details of the course, what it offers and

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Speaker 3: just and also the roster of the guest speakers are

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Speaker 3: found on my Instagram page. And Yeah, it's an immersive

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Speaker 3: two month journey into exploring and embodying your inner dom

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Speaker 3: and learning the skills, the technical skills of being a dom.

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Speaker 3: But it's also learning how to be in your fullest power.

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Speaker 3: This isn't just you playing the part and pretending, but

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Speaker 3: you truly yourself that you are a powerful for them

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Speaker 3: who knows her desires and knows how to realize them.

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Speaker 1: Well. As I said, I'm gonna put all of this

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Speaker 1: information in the description of this podcast. Collect Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here. I mean, it's your questions answered. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Feel like I've got a million with this could go

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Speaker 4: on for hours.

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Speaker 1: Well, you may just have to have about one.

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Speaker 3: Think about all those things, and maybe the next time

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Speaker 3: we are on we could have a session.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's just got in.

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Speaker 3: And then we should have podcasts like number two.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god, this idea to get those whips ready.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready, Lord, I'm.

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Speaker 1: All right, Collette, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: As I said, I'm gonna put all the information for

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Speaker 1: the Mistress class and just to keep up with Collette

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Speaker 1: on her Instagram in the description of this podcast. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: let go of fear. You guys, stay curious. Let's release this.

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Speaker 2: Stuy, stay curious.

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Speaker 3: I love it so much.

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Speaker 1: For having me, of course, and thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for you guys for listening.