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Speaker 1: the official Jets podcast Jets three sixty production. Jets Football

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Speaker 1: is back this weekend, Week twelve of the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: Jets Panthers e a before we dive in here, how

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Speaker 1: are you feeling refreshed? I was gonna ask how your

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Speaker 1: bye week is going. By bye week is over, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for football. It's the Thanksgiving season gold adages. Teams

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Speaker 1: start separating themselves after Thanksgiving. With that being said, the

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Speaker 1: Jets are four and six right now. Green's they think

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Speaker 1: they let a couple of games slip away over those

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Speaker 1: first time. Namely, you think about the Miami the fourteen

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Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay and on it was sitting right there

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Speaker 1: for you and you couldn't manufacture anything offensively. With all

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking playoffs. I'm just talking about positioning. The

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Speaker 1: important too, game homestand here with Carolina coming in with

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Speaker 1: a seven and three record. They have a lot of

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Speaker 1: confidence in Kansas City, a team that started off so

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Speaker 1: hot out of the gates with a five and zero record,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden they've lost four or five and

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Speaker 1: and eight record. Okay, that's a that's a take from that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very feasible, and I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because you look at when the Jets

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Speaker 1: funny how things play out. But this weekend is a

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Speaker 1: big test, especially against a tremendous defense. The Panthers were

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Speaker 1: So now the Panthers are number two in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Jacksonville because I think this team

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Speaker 1: at Joseph Person Joe. Right before we dive into the defense,

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Speaker 1: here one last singers, what are the chances that Greg

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Speaker 1: Uh that is not a minor thing for this offense

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Speaker 1: about this team's road performance to date? Only one victory

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Speaker 1: away from home on the year, of of course, that

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Speaker 1: was in Cleveland. They had a late lead in Miami

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Speaker 1: unfortunately weren't able to hang on there, and then we

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Speaker 1: just saw the latest effort in Tampa. It seems sometimes

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Speaker 1: lacking a little bit of juice or trying to find

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Speaker 1: themselves on the road. Yeah. Other than the Miami game,

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Speaker 1: I think the starts to these road games have not

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Speaker 1: been very good. Um, And so getting off the fast

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Speaker 1: starts on the road, and on the road you cannot

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Speaker 1: you don't have the ability to feed off of your

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Speaker 1: crowd and the energy and the momentum from your crowd,

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Speaker 1: and so you have to create that yourself. And so

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Speaker 1: that that to me seems to be something that needs

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Speaker 1: to be a priority on the road. Is is really

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Speaker 1: getting off the fast start and creating that momentum and energy,

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Speaker 1: that excitement and enthusiasm on the road for yourself so

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Speaker 1: that you can play well. Is that a sign of

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Speaker 1: a young team? You think or you don't buy that. Well,

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Speaker 1: it certainly can be a sign of a young team. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know how much of this

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Speaker 1: quote young team stuff we can continue to talk about.

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Speaker 1: You look at the average age in the NFL now,

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Speaker 1: as far as teams are concerned, it's around twenty five

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Speaker 1: years old. So when we're no longer talking about veteran

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Speaker 1: teams now, uh, you know, when I was a rookie,

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Speaker 1: half our team was over thirty. And so now you

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Speaker 1: can count on one hand how many thirty year olds

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Speaker 1: you have on each team. So, um, there's still a

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Speaker 1: learning curve there. I do believe that. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, you could take a look at you know,

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Speaker 1: a team like the Los Angeles Rams with a brand

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Speaker 1: new coach who's ten years younger than me. You and

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Speaker 1: me both in a second year quarterback, and they're sitting

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Speaker 1: there at seven and two. So it's still about approach

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Speaker 1: and and your work ethic and just your mindset after

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Speaker 1: ten weeks of football. Now, Chad, when you look back

467
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Speaker 1: on the Jets offense in particular, you know, expectations versus

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Speaker 1: right now, what do you think about this unit and

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this unit moving forward for

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Speaker 1: this last six games? Well, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of positive things to to grab onto. Up until the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game, I thought, uh, there was some exciting

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Speaker 1: football being played. There were plays being made, and there

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Speaker 1: was a really good rhythm and tempo to the offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, that can be gotten back, and being able

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Speaker 1: to use these last six games to do that, that

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Speaker 1: can be recovered. But I do like some of the

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Speaker 1: things that are happening offensively. I like how we're able

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Speaker 1: to see the playmaking ability of Jenkins, the playmaking ability

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Speaker 1: of Robby Anderson, what Curse brings to the table um,

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Speaker 1: what the running backs do? You know, We've been able

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Speaker 1: to see some really good things, and and for the

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Speaker 1: most part you've been able to do that because the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks playing well. Without a quarterback playing well, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to see those things. And so um, to me,

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Speaker 1: the cup is half full. It's not half empty. There's

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Speaker 1: some really good things to build on. And what you

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Speaker 1: really want to see these last six games is to

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Speaker 1: just take another step offensively and really start putting some

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Speaker 1: good games together where they're scoring twenty four, twenty seven

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Speaker 1: points and and they're really getting you know, putting their

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Speaker 1: their team in a good position to win offensively because

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Speaker 1: defensively they've done a relatively good job. How difficult well

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Speaker 1: this two game homestand b for the Jets, I mean

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Speaker 1: after these two games again, the Carolina Panthers in Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs, they just have one more game or meaning

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Speaker 1: not Life Stadium. There are three road dates out of

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Speaker 1: the last four contests to close the season. You gotta

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Speaker 1: go to Denver, got to go to New Orleans, and

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Speaker 1: then you finish up the season New Year's Eve in

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Speaker 1: New England. But let's focus on Carolina thank Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: When I look at these teams, I think out balance

503
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Speaker 1: football clubs who play hard, who are very physical. Carolina

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Speaker 1: isn't a prolific offense, but they've shown at times a

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Speaker 1: k against the Miami Dolphins that they can put points

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Speaker 1: up on the board. Newton is a dual threat. They

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Speaker 1: got Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield, Devin Foncius is

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Speaker 1: filling that number one wide out role, and then defensively,

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Speaker 1: you know it better than me. You look at Luke

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Speaker 1: Kickley and Thomas Davis and Julius Poppers is seventy five

511
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Speaker 1: years old. He's still getting the job done. The secondary

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Speaker 1: is very aggressive. I just look at it and say, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this was gonna be a big test for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: After the boy it's huge. It's a huge test. And

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Speaker 1: the Carolina game, I think that's a winnable game for

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Speaker 1: the Jets. I think the formula, playing tough defense, not

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Speaker 1: not allowing to dictate the tempo of the game with

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Speaker 1: turnovers and things like that, I think they have a shot.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at Carolina's offense and and just get

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Speaker 1: really scared. Um. I know they have some big play capability,

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Speaker 1: but not to the extent of other teams in this league.

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Speaker 1: And this is a winnable game, and I think would

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Speaker 1: be more of a seventeen fourteen type. Try to pull

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Speaker 1: it out like that and make it ugly. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the old Jets versus Dolphins games and the

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Speaker 1: two thousand's where the Dolphins had such a good defense.

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Speaker 1: But as the Jet teams, we knew this on offensively,

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Speaker 1: we didn't turn the ball over and we got to

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, we'd find a way to win, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we're able to win seven out of eight

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Speaker 1: during that stretch. Yeah, well, we're looking forward to some

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Speaker 1: post Thanksgiving football. Happy Thanksgiving to you in your family.

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Speaker 1: What do you have planned yet? Well, we've got some

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Speaker 1: basketball games here this week, going to enjoy next week,

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Speaker 1: we've got family coming in town, West Virginia and just

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Speaker 1: laying Lowland just a little bit so trying to or

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Speaker 1: two pard from middle school football season and and get

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Speaker 1: ready for holiday. Well you guys, stay warm and Kentucky buddy,

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Speaker 1: and we'll touch base next week. All right, Thanks God? Alright, Greenens.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to me there is Chad said the

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Speaker 1: Jets are gonna be tested as far as what kind

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Speaker 1: of individual you are? What are you gonna be playing for?

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Speaker 1: Donna stretch here the final six games With that being said,

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Speaker 1: listen to a man, if you're a player in that

545
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Speaker 1: locker room, your goals to make the playoffs. And you

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Speaker 1: mentioned in our first segment, Greens Baltimore is sitting there

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Speaker 1: in sixth seed. There's a ton of football left to

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Speaker 1: be played, but they're in the number six seed right

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Speaker 1: now with the five and five record, The Jets aren't

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Speaker 1: too far away from that. Yeah, these two weeks are

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Speaker 1: gonna be pretty crucial for the Green and White, especially

552
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Speaker 1: coming out of the bye week here. And what better

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Speaker 1: way to you know, use this weekend as a barometer

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Speaker 1: as how good your offense is and what changes that

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Speaker 1: you wanted to make in the bye week and now

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Speaker 1: see and implement something for the final stretch here. Last week,

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Speaker 1: Josh McCown said that the thing that you wants to

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Speaker 1: improve for the final stretch run here is consistency, because

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Speaker 1: he said both units have played with the top units

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League at times, but he wants

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Speaker 1: to develop some form of consistency. And this week, I

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Speaker 1: mean the the offense will have a very difficult test

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Speaker 1: in the Panthers defense. And we've touched on it here

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Speaker 1: and there, and maybe the maybe they Jets try to

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Speaker 1: establish a ground game, something they couldn't get going in

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Speaker 1: Florida against the Bucks. Maybe they get boosted with the

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Speaker 1: return of Matt Forte. Obviously we'll have to see his

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Speaker 1: health as the week moves forward, along with more Wilkerson

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Speaker 1: Morris Clayborne. But the bye week came at an opportune

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Speaker 1: time for the Jets that we're getting a little bang. Doun. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Walkerson. He's gonna be the lineup.

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Speaker 1: You know he's gonna be the lineup. Greens, you don't

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Speaker 1: even have to mention him. He's the guy who said

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Speaker 1: that the rest only Rusty needed was a bye week.

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Speaker 1: Well he got to buy a week. So and he's

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Speaker 1: also been coming on also Wonder and Williams. I know

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the SEC totals that he wants right now,

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Speaker 1: but Randy Lang published an article on New York Just

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Speaker 1: dot Com him this week saying he's third in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League in terms of quarterback hits. I think

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Speaker 1: he's coming on. So both of those guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: be key this week because listen, you gotta win in

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Speaker 1: the trenches against this Carolina team, because they're tough, they're gritty,

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Speaker 1: they're nasty, and you gotta make it a long day

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Speaker 1: for them. I think defensively, you could have a lot

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Speaker 1: of success against this team. Um you know, I think

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Speaker 1: about the last time we saw this defense at MetLife

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Speaker 1: Stadium at MetLife Stadium, and that was against the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: and they faced an elusive quarterback, a totally different UH

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Speaker 1: player than Cam Newton, no doubt about it, but a

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Speaker 1: team that had an explosive player in the backfield and

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Speaker 1: Shady McCoy. They shut down Shady and then they got

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Speaker 1: after the quarterback. So let's see if they can have

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Speaker 1: a similar performance against Carolina, who had a prolific effort

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Speaker 1: on a primetime game against the Miami Dolphins. This is

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Speaker 1: a totally different situation, as we discussed with Joe person

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Speaker 1: because when I look at the schedule right now and

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Speaker 1: you're ten Arolina Panther fan, you're saying, Jets, we got

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Speaker 1: this one, because you're already targeting that game against the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints and saying that's for NC self supremacy.

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Speaker 1: I think the Jets can make a statement early by

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Speaker 1: saying hey, uh uh, you're gonna be in for a

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Speaker 1: dog fight and that's all we got on the Official

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Speaker 1: Jets Podcast game preview once again, Jets Panthers this Sunday MetLife,

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Speaker 1: stating one o'clock for the first game following the bye

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Speaker 1: week to kick off the stretch run of NFL season.

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Speaker 1: That's all we got this week for Eric Allen. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberger eighty Pat