1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is Jackie Goldschneider with two Jersey Jays, 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: but today I am solo because I want to talk 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: to you about something. So this week, Kelly Osborne gave 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: an interview to E News where she basically said that 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: people who are against die drugs like ozembic are either 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: jealous or poor. So her exact words were, people hate 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: on it because they want to do it, and the 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: people who hate on it the most are the people 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: who are secretly doing it or pissed off that they 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: can't afford it. She then called the drugs amazing and 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: a much more interesting way to lose weight than exercise. 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: So let's bypass her as a public figure encouraging people 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: to go on die drugs and discouraging exercise as a 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: boring way to get in shape. Let's put that aside, 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: because that in and of itself is so irresponsible. And 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: let me also say that although I co host this 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: podcast with the incredible Jennifer Esler, these opinions today are 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: mine alone, not Gens, who, as you know, has been 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: and is on semaglutides. And finally, my thoughts on Kelly's 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: statements are not aimed at people who use these drugs 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: for obesity, type two diabetes, or binge eating disorder. So 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: here we go, Kelly Osborne. You are a grown woman, 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: and obviously you can and have done whatever you want 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: to your body, and you can rationalize your decisions however 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: you'd like. But when you publicly declare that people with 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: concerns and apprehensions about putting a mysterious drug into their 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: body are either jealous or poor, you delegitimize some very 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: serious and very real concerns that people like me are 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: entitled to have and entitled two voice. I could be 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: on this crap tomorrow if I want to, because every 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: medspot in New Jersey that I pass is handing it 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: out like candy. And I also have enough money to 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: be on it for twenty lifetimes. So I am neither 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: jealous of people using ozembic. So I'm neither jealous of 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: people using ozembic. I'm not secretly using ozembic, and I 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: am certainly not too poor to afford it. So I'd 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: like to respond and reiterate why some of us might 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: take real issue with drugs like ozembic. So first, I 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: see the way that this is going, and every day 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: it's becoming less and less acceptable to be overweight. And 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: that's a very dangerous world to live in, and it's 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: a world I don't want to live in. A few 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: years ago, we were embracing curves and fuller bodies, and now, 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: with so many people going on these drugs, especially public 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: facing people who are people we watch and emulate, we 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: are seeing rail thin bodies instead of healthy, normal bodies 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: become the norm. We're seeing Heroine Sheep normalized again. We 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: are seeing skinny as the new average woman's body. And 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: many of us have daughters like me. I have a 50 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: thirteen year old daughter, and sometimes she grabs her thighs 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: and asks me why they're so big, even though they 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: are not. And sometimes she hates her stomach, even though 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: it's perfect. And some of that is my fault, because 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: I very publicly recovered from an eating disorder, and I 55 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: let my daughter watch me mistreat my body for most 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: of her life. But all the things that I've tried 57 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: to do to undo those lessons that I've taught her 58 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: are being overshadowed by all the newly emaciated bodies that 59 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: she sees everywhere. And now she's growing up in a 60 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: world where It's almost unacceptable to not be thin because 61 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: everybody can be thin now, everybody can get on diet 62 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: drugs now, and not being thin means you must be poor, 63 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: right Kelly? And no one wants to look like the 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: poor fat girl, do they? I know so many women 65 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: on these drugs. It is everywhere, and every every day 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: there are more and more people taking it. And as 67 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: everyone around me suddenly has their ribs and shoulder blades 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: sticking out, I get scared for the world and the 69 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: values that we are creating. So where are we going 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: as a society? Where are we trending when it comes 71 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to women's bodies. That has nothing to do with being poor, 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with being jealous. That is 73 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: a very real concern. And by the way, what if, 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: like Kelly said, you are too poor to afford it? 75 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Then what then? How do you get thin like everybody else? 76 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Maybe by starving yourself or throwing up or taking a 77 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: different kind of dry drug. When skinny becomes the default 78 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: and the new normal, that's the kind of standards we 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: are imposing on the average woman now, and it is 80 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: very dangerous. Maybe some of us are concerned because these 81 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: drugs lack long term studies on people who are not 82 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: suffering from type two diabetes, and we worry. We worry 83 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: for our friends and our sisters, and our moms and 84 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: our daughters who are injecting themselves with the drug that 85 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: affects so many of their organs. Ozembic mimics the hormone 86 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: called glp one, which helps the pancreas release insulin. I 87 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: am not a doctor or a medical professional, but this 88 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: is what I gather from research. So semaglutides stimulate your 89 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: pancreas to release insulin. It also stops your liver from 90 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: producing glucagon. Semaglutides sends signals to the appetite center in 91 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: your brain to reduce hunger and increase fullness. It also 92 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: slows down your digestion and your gastric emptying, helping you 93 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: feel full longer. So basically, it affects your pancreas, your liver, 94 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: your brain, your endocrinal system, your intestines, and your stomach. 95 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Common side effects of ozempic are nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, 96 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: which all lead to appetites of Russian and hence, with 97 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: all of that, you lose weight. Other side effects can 98 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: include inflammation of your pancreas, which is called pancreatitis, changes 99 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: in your vision, hypoglycemia which is low blood sugar, kidney 100 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: problems like kidney failure, serious allergic reactions, ballbladder problems, thyroid 101 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: c cell tumors, and medullary thyroid carcinoma. So maybe some 102 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of us are worried about that that a largely unstudied drug. 103 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: When it comes to non diabetic bodies that people we 104 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: love are taking, maybe we worried about their muscle. Maybe 105 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: we worry about their muscle loss that we've seen people 106 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: we love experience, which is very dangerous, especially for an 107 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: older woman's health. Maybe we worry about malnutrition and hair 108 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: loss and all the other things that can happen to 109 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: your body when you do not eat enough. Maybe we're 110 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: worried about what they might find in a few years 111 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: in people we love who are using these drugs, because 112 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people we love are using them, and 113 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with being poor or being jealous. 114 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we're worried about what happens when you have to 115 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: come off of these drugs, because unless you plan on 116 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: staying on them until the day you die, once you 117 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: come off almost all the studies show that you gain 118 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: back most, if not all, of the weight that you lost. 119 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: Maybe we're worried about all the people who will then 120 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: be left spiraling because their skinny body is slowly disappearing 121 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: and they're desperate to get it back. And here's where 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I have skin in the game. Maybe we're worried about 123 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: all the new eating disorders in cases of anorexia, and 124 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: all the anxiety and mental health issues that might cause. 125 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: And trust me when I say that anorexia is a 126 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: living hell. I know because I lived there for eighteen years. 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I starved myself for eighteen years, close to death because 128 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I was so desperate to be thin. I hated the 129 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: body that I lived in. What if someone like me 130 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: is legitimately worried that all people that never had eating 131 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: disorders before yet so used to being thin that they 132 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: don't want to go back ever, no matter what, even 133 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: if they have a side effect that forces them to 134 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: choose between their health and their diet drugs. Maybe we're 135 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: worried because the drugs are close to being approved for 136 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: use in children. When I was sixteen, I was so 137 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: desperate to change my body. I would have been first 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: in line for these drugs. I shudder when I think 139 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: of my undeveloped adolescent body being injected with diet drugs 140 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: so I could shut off my hunger. Instead of learning 141 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: healthy ways to manage my weight, I would have given 142 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: myself a life sentence. Gladly, I would have begged for 143 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: it so that I could be thin. And we know 144 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: how this goes. It gets approved for kids with certain BMIs, 145 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: and then you have doctors and medspas that'll figure out 146 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: ways to tweak that and get it into your child's 147 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: hands with not quite the BMI you're supposed to have, 148 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: just like they did for adults. And as kids start 149 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: using ozembic, and add to all of the ozembic success 150 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: stories that we see on TikTok, then you've got an 151 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: adolescent trend like Stanley cups and sol Ly Janeiro products, 152 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: except this one is potentially very dangerous. Maybe some of 153 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: us are worried about all the teenage girls we know 154 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: suddenly feeling like they have to be on ozembic, also 155 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: including my little girl. Maybe we're worried about people like you, Kelly, 156 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: who belittle people who aren't on diet drugs, who make 157 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: it seem like there's something wrong with us for being wary, 158 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: or for not wanting to be rale thin, or for 159 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: people who want to feel okay about living in a 160 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: larger body. Maybe it's people like you who make it 161 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: so that when people see someone who's overweight, we assume 162 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: that that person must be poor or have some medical 163 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: condition that means they can't use osmpic. Maybe we worry 164 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: that people like you will look at anyone who's not 165 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: thin and say, what's wrong with them? Why are they 166 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: still fat? Or maybe we just can't stand going to 167 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: dinner and being the only one at the table with 168 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: an appetite. Maybe selfishly, we hate the way that makes 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: us feel when we watch our tablemates order an appetizer 170 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: as their meal and pick at it. Maybe we hate 171 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: the negative self talk we go through when we're the 172 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: only ones at the table eating, when we ask ourselves 173 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: should I keep eating even though we're hungry? But we 174 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: feel bad about finishing our meals because no one around 175 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: us is finishing their meal. Maybe some of us hate that, 176 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: or maybe that's just me. And this is all not 177 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: to mention the many diabetic piece people who cannot access 178 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: their medication because of this. A zembic trend. And if 179 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: that is not a legitimate concern, and I don't know 180 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: what is, either way, be careful with your words, Kelly Osborne. 181 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm very happy for you. If you're happy, if you 182 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: love being skin and bones, and you have no concerns 183 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: over your health, and no concerns about your mom's health 184 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: as she dips under one hundred pounds after losing forty 185 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: two pounds in four months and saying that she can't 186 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: gain anything back for some mysterious reason. If you have 187 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: no concerns about that, then I'm happy for you. I'm 188 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: happy that you're happy, and I hope you don't go 189 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: on to suffer any of the potential side effects people 190 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: are not talking about. I just asked that, as a 191 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: public figure and an influencer, you be careful with your words, 192 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: because there are women listening and teenagers and preteens listening 193 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: and watching you. And shaming people who choose, for whatever 194 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: reason not to use a drug that makes them thin 195 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: is a very dangerous and irresponsible thing to do. And 196 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. I gotta go now, guys, 197 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: It's time for me to eat