1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ and 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Buck with you. Buck, what is going on? Man? Looks 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: like you made it back home here I did. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 3: I'm back. Everything is good. Look, man, I'm coming off 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: signing and day and all this other stuff. It's kind 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 3: of bananas. 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have a great episode by 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the way, coming up with great McElroy. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: So encourage you guys. Check that one out. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: ESPN College Football analyst, smart guy, former quarterback who's gonna 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: have a great a great handle on some of these 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: changes that have taken place. 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: I'm really look forward to that Chatbuck, because the. 15 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: College world that we knew and the college world that 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: exists now it's two different things. 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Man. 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Entertaining Like people can say there's I would say, this 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: is an argument and we'll get all to this with 20 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: with macelroy. But there's people that say this is good. 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: There's people that say that this is bad, and there's 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: disagreement there. What you you have to agree on. This 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: whole thing is kind of entertaining, Buck, I mean, like 24 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: it is a wild West, Man. 25 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: It has definitely become very entertaining when you think about 26 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: all the things that are college football. 27 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie dj I set up. 28 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about always having an affinity for 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: these days, signing days, looking at recruiting classes, all that 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: other stuff. Because the names that you begin to hear 31 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: about today, we're going to talk about tomorrow down the line. 32 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I was fascinated. 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: I had a chance to listen to Carolina and Michae 34 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: Lombardi and Bill Belichick talk about all the things that 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: they were doing and they signed thirty nine guys. Thirty 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: nine guys in the class when you and I were 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: coming out, it was twenty to twenty five. 38 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's it. 39 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: Thirty nine guys coming in at one time is ridiculous. 40 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: And to hear, you know, them talking about grading scale 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: and all this other stuff. I was texting with our 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: buddy Lake Dawson, who's at OU with Jim nagging. He's 43 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: just talking about how wild it is, like it is 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: just a different thing. 45 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: And you're right. The biggest move that has happened. 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: Has become the general manager at the collegiate level, and 47 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: many different things that you are handling as it relates 48 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: to personnel scouting, their version of the salary cap with 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 3: revenue share and everything. 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 51 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: It's a lot to deal with, man and even bigger 52 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: rosters than you're used to dealing with when you were 53 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot to handle on. I think we're 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of our buddies in the NFL world 56 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: that are finding out there's a lot of opportunity in 57 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: college to run. You know, you're running a franchise. It's 58 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: not just a you know, college football program. You're running 59 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: a franchise. 60 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you are. I mean and dependent on 61 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: the way that is structured. 62 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes the coach actually reports to the general manager, not 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: just the ad like, it's a different thing. We're seeing 64 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: that take place at Cal with Ron River taking over 65 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: as the general manager and having look the power this 66 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 3: way to make hires and fires in those things. It's 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: just a different thing. I will be glad when it 68 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: kind of settles and we have kind of like what 69 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: the league has, like a set of regulations where everyone knows. 70 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Exactly what the rules are. 71 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: This is still a little too chaotic kind of frenzy 72 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: for me, but it's fun. I mean, it's fun to watch, 73 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: it's fun to kind of check it out, but it's 74 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: a different world. 75 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I was I was thinking about, I 76 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: want to get a draft thing here before we get 77 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: to some previews for these games coming up this weekend. 78 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: But I wanted to look at it. 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: Looking at last year's draft, the twenty five draft, and 80 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I was going through it, and we went quarterback, two 81 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: way player in Travis Hunter, pass rusher, tackle, defensive tackle, 82 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: running back, tackle, receiver, offensive tackle, tight end. 83 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: So a couple interesting things in there. 84 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Number one is we had a running back and a 85 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: tight end that went in the top ten, which would 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: fly in the face of the you know, positional value, 87 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you know commentary that we've seen over the years, over 88 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: the last few years. But also to me, I'm curious. 89 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, we saw the three receivers go a few 90 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: years or the year before that, right because you had 91 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Harrison elite neighbors and a doonsay all boom boom boom. 92 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junr went a little bit later on in 93 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: that first round. But as I'm starting to work my 94 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: way through the draft stuff, and I'm starting to look 95 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: at some grades as I'm putting them in on these 96 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: guys and like, just for example, like the Ohio State 97 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: receiver and the us C receiver grade wise, they're going 98 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: to be all the way up there for me. And 99 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: then I'm reading an article about George Pickens and they're 100 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: saying that he's you know, this could be a something. 101 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: It was an article about the value that he brings 102 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: and it said on his next deal he should be 103 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: hunting for like thirty two million ONT of annual value. 104 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: So I'm sitting here and going. 105 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: Well, I don't have to struggle to justify taking a 106 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver up there at this point in time, especially 107 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: when they're clean, clean players. 108 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: It has become such the I mean the swing, the 109 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: pendulum swing in terms of the value of the wide 110 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: receiver has been remarkable now that I. 111 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: Like Tim, just over the last decade in terms of 112 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: how people viewed receivers, how we draft receivers, and more importantly, 113 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: how we're paying receivers. We were both scouting when they 114 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: had that draft where all the running backs Cedric Benson, 115 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams all went two, three, and four, 116 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: not necessarily in the order that I listed them. 117 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: All, but I remember that I remember how valuable. The 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: running backs are now to think that wide receivers have 119 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: become marquee names that you prioritize within the top ten 120 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: because they're that important. 121 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: And we're potentially talking about I mean, the Eagles have 122 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: done it. The Eagles are operating with two number ones. 123 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: The Bengals in essence have a one A and one 124 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: B with T Higgins. The Cowboys could potentially go down 125 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: that line with CD Lamb and George Pickens DJ. They 126 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: are premier positions on the perimeter. And yeah, it's crazy 127 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: because you're going to either have to draft one and 128 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: pay one or you're gonna have to pay two. That's 129 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: the league that we're going to in terms. 130 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: Of how market and how essential they are to the 131 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: team building post. So, if you look at the projected 132 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: franchise tender numbers for next year, so this is a 133 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: franchise tag number, what it would look like right now, 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks is thirty nine point seven million, offensive line is 135 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: twenty four point six, wide receiver twenty four point three. 136 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: So Fuck's that tells you everything right there, that's where 137 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: the value is. 138 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: The value is that, So you have to do it 139 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: and people are going to have to make those decisions. 140 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 3: So we talk about Jordan tys and or Cardinal Tat 141 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: or whoever these guys are that we're talking about first 142 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: round grades. 143 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to be comfortable seeing them just building 144 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: names off the thing, because they're coming off the board 145 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of value. 146 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Man, when you look at the savings that you're getting 147 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: by getting one of those guys in cost control here 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: for four or five years, that's pretty darn valuable when 149 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: you look at it. Let's get into some of these 150 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: games here this weekend. Let's start first of all, your 151 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: game Indy Jacksonville. 152 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: Huge game. Huge game. Yeah, a huge game, and I'm 153 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: so curious to see it. 154 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: Last year you had to go through this a little 155 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: bit with the charge of like watching them play in 156 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: a big game with a new crew. I'm curious to 157 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: see what the team Isn't exactly young, but I'm want 158 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: to see what a team that is getting used to 159 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: winning and a new. 160 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Coaching death, how they handle what will be a big game. 161 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: And even though everyone will say, hey, it's only the 162 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: big game because the next game, No, this is a 163 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: big game because it has legitimate implications. 164 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: So how do you approach that game? Do you do 165 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: things differently. 166 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: Do you continue to do the things that you've done 167 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: well and say that we're going to out execute the 168 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: team regardless of whether a different strategy might be best 169 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: against them. 170 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: I'm just curious to see how it plays out. 171 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: And if everybody involved, coaches and players, can make it 172 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: the same kind of game that has been for the 173 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: first twelve thirteen weeks. 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at your team here in Jacksonville. You 175 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: work on those broadcasts for the last five with wins, 176 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the only lost being a thirty six twenty nine loss 177 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: to Houston. What you could say was one that you 178 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: almost gave away. 179 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, gave away for sure. 180 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: So I mean you're looking at a team that's really 181 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: as hot as anybody right now. And I saw it 182 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: in person when they hammer the Chargers thirty five to 183 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: six after that game in Houston. What do you think 184 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: was the major change in terms of this run that 185 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: they're on. What's been the difference this over to quarterback first? 186 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: And the numbers aren't going to justify what I'm about 187 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: to say, but I would say that Liam Coyn has 188 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: tried to get the quarterback to really let it rip. 189 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: And I know you've played the position. And I don't 190 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: know if you've ever had the one. 191 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: Coach that believes in you enough to be like, hey, man, 192 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: let it go, don't worry about. 193 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: The mistakes, like just the push the envelope. See where 194 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: the lines are so you can figure out. 195 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: And it really reminded me of what any Reed did 196 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: with Pat Mahomes on the practice field rookie season. Man, 197 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: make all the throws. See where those boundaries are for you, 198 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: so when you get into the game you know exactly what. 199 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: You can and what you can't do. Liam Cohn has 200 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: tried to get Trevor to operate and play like that. 201 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: Be fearless, not reckless, Be fearless in terms of I'm 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: gonna make these players. I'm gonna make these throws. I'm 203 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: gonna try and fit it in the type windows. I'm 204 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: gonna let it go before the wide receivers open, and 205 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: not worry. Oh it needs to be fully clean before 206 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: I do it, because that's the only way the great 207 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: ones operate. 208 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: And so that has been better for him. 209 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: He's had ten total touchdowns since they've had that conversation. Defensively, 210 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 3: they've been able to get more into paint. Josh Anzellen 211 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: has five and a half sacks over the last five games. 212 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: He beginning to play better and overall, DJ I think 213 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: they've just kind of scaled it back. They put the 214 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: young guys on the field, and they've just really made 215 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: it a game where it's about how hard can you play? 216 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: Can you just play harder, longer than the opponent and 217 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: don't worry what the score looks like And it sounds 218 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: like hocus pocause it sounds almost like high school ball. 219 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: But literally that's been the main thing. Let's just see 220 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: we can out effort people and see what it looks 221 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: like at the end of the game. 222 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look at the Indianapolis side 223 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: of things, lost two really really close games here, so 224 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: the team was absolutely hummed. They've got a couple losses 225 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: in a row. At last week's game. To me, Buck, 226 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: they third downs, you know, and I know Daniel Jones 227 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: is not fully fully healthy, but they've got to be 228 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: better on third downs. And I look at this Jacksonville 229 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: pass rush, it's got to heat it up a little bit. 230 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: That's going to be the game to make is can 231 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: the Colts be better on third down than they've been? 232 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: Can Daniel Jones make the throws and needs to make 233 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 2: and then can this Jacksonville pass rush get ready to 234 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: heat him up? 235 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that desk would be a big part 236 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: of it, but I would say before you can even 237 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: get to that, you have to stop Jonathan Taylor. Like 238 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: Johnathan Taylor is the guy that leads the league in 239 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: rushing yards per game. He's a home rent hitter. You 240 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: think about the number of big plays that he's been 241 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: able to produce this year. He says to table, and 242 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: you have to commit all your resources to be able 243 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: to defend him, which makes life easy for Daniel Jones. 244 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: The teams that have been successful against the Coals have 245 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: forced Daniel Jones out of his comfort zone from being 246 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: a guy who is managing the game to now someone 247 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: who has to be a game changer, someone who has 248 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: to really impact the game and become the playmaker. But 249 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: the only way that you can do that is you 250 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: got to take twenty eight away. You can't allow him 251 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: to have success early where they can utilize the running game, 252 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: that can stay on schedule, they can use play action 253 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: in those things. You got to bottle them up and 254 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: you got to say, hey man, we're gonna make Daniel 255 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: Jones beat us if he has to throw for three 256 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: point fifty, he's gonna have to throw for three to fifty. 257 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: But we're not gonna let twenty eight get loose. 258 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: Well, well, it's easier said than done. Right, When he's rolling, 259 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't need a lot of carriers to do a 260 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: lot of damage. I mean he just takes one, he 261 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: pop one, and then you're in some trouble. And I 262 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: saw that up close and personal this year. By the way, 263 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: this is the first two right, they have not played yet, 264 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: so we get two of these meetings coming down the 265 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: home stretcher with Jackson gold Indy. 266 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah quick, I mean quick turnaround, maybe like within two 267 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: or three weeks of each other, like played this week 268 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: and then come back in two weeks after the Demmer 269 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: game they play again. 270 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: All right, so this is the way. This is a 271 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: weird analogy, but you got the Chiefs and the Texans. 272 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: This to me feels like when I was a kid 273 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: I used to watch wrestling. I haven't watch wrestling along us, 274 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: but I was a kid the loser leaf talent. But 275 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that because I think Houston's still 276 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: in it. I think this is everything on the line 277 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: for Kansas City. What this feels like to me, Buck 278 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: is when you have the like a tag match with 279 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: like four versus four, and you just feel like the 280 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: one guy has been stuck out there for the one 281 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: group and he and they just keep tagging in new bodies, 282 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like the Houston Texans get to come 283 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: in when a little wobbly, a wobbly opponent who hasn't 284 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: been able to tap out you know who's lost offensive lineman. 285 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: And it's like, and if I'm the Chiefs, then you 286 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: don't make a habit of doubt in the Chiefs because 287 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: they always seem to come through. 288 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: But if you gave me a list. 289 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: A menu with where they are right now, knowing they 290 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: need to run the table and they can't afford to 291 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: slip up, the Houston Texans current version would be the 292 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: last team that I would. 293 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: Want to face at this point in time. Yes, the 294 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: last team did you want to face? 295 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: But then maybe the team that you want to face 296 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: because they're good and maybe you rise to the occasion. 297 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: I'll say this, and looking at the Texans up close 298 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: and personal defense block them. Yeah, defensively, man, they are 299 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: everything that you want in a championship level defense. 300 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: They're fast, they're physical. 301 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: Everybody all eleven tackle and they not only tackle in 302 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: terms of getting you to the ground, they tackle with force. 303 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: They are a very physical football team that's amped up 304 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: and then up from Will Anderson Daniel Hunter. We talked 305 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: about combined for twenty one and a half sacks. The 306 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: way that they're able to get it. Will Anderson even 307 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: being better than I thought in terms of the way 308 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: they're moving him around and putting him on the fish 309 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: on the line of scrimmage. 310 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Man. This is a very active and aggressive. 311 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: Defense that is built in the image of his head coach, 312 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: Jamiko Rants. They are just a tough, nasty bunch, and 313 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: offensively they're beginning to find their way. 314 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: If they had a little more consistency on the run, 315 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: it would kind of help them open up the passing game. 316 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: But they're getting better. 317 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: Look, this is a team that's we all say this 318 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: day every team, Oh, you don't want to play them. 319 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you right now, that's the one for me. 320 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: You don't you don't want them on your line. 321 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: You don't want them on your bracket line when you 322 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 3: look up like oh, because defensively, they can keep themselves 323 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: in every game if they get just enough offense and you. 324 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Know, for a long day. Yeah, no, one hundred percent true. 325 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: Let's take quick break. We'll get into a couple more 326 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: games raft for this. There's some really good games this 327 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: week when you look at the schedule here, Buck, I 328 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: want to pick out a couple more Bears Packers, and 329 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: they're going to face off again in two weeks. So 330 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: this is like a little series here, a little mini 331 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: series we're gonna see with these two teams. 332 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is this is interesting because you know, 333 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson poked the Bear a little bit when he 334 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: got the job, talked about the Packers and. 335 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: The series and those things, and talking about Matt Lafleur 336 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: by name. Yeah, I love beating him. It turns out 337 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: they're not friends. It's not like this is a buddy 338 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: like jab jab jab. This is like, no, I don't 339 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: really know him. It's gonna name for him. 340 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, not the greatest, not the greatest way, but hey, 341 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: own it on being the villain. 342 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: If you're going to be the heel began with the 343 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: Black Bear and all the other stuff. 344 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: Hoko maniacs get after it. But what I do like 345 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: about what the Bears have done. 346 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: Coming on the heels of knocking off the Eagles, They're 347 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: gonna have a lot of confidence and the ability to 348 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: run the football is real because they moved and uprooted 349 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: the Eagles off the line of scrimmage. This is one 350 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: where the Packer's defense is going to be tested, and 351 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: Michael Parsons in particularly is going to have to be 352 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: solid not only as a pass rusher, but as a 353 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: run defender for the Bears. On defense, they take the 354 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: ball away, they are obsessed. We're taking the ball away 355 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: and so Jordan Love's gonna have to take care of it. 356 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: They are about as evenly matched as we've seen these 357 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: teams in the last few years. This is the execution game. 358 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's an execution game. 359 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get to back to 360 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: what we're talking about with the coaches though, because I 361 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: was thinking about this and whether it's your coach or 362 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: your quarterback from a leadership standpoint, is there something to 363 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: be said, Buck, And maybe you could talk about some 364 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: of the team you've been around. 365 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: I know I've been around some as. 366 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Well, but to take over a bad team, you almost 367 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: need somebody who's brash like nonsensical. We've talked about it 368 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: with hardball going to Stanford and it's like, what does 369 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: he talk There's no way they can do what he's 370 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: saying they're going to do. How about Kurt Kurt Signetti, 371 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: he goes and does what he's done at at Indiana 372 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: Clark Lee at his opening press conference, don't know if 373 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: you remember this, he said, Vanderbilt, we're going to be the. 374 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: Will be the number one team. We're gonna be a powerhouse, 375 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: the best program in the country is what he said. 376 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: They hadn't wanted they had had a winning season in 377 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: nine years when he got there, like you almost had 378 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: think about I mean even like his quarterback Diego Pabia, 379 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: like you have to have a nonsensical belief and think 380 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: about how bad the Bears have been. And he walked 381 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: in there and I'm laughing about you named checking the 382 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: Packers head coach in his press conference. 383 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: Well there's something to that. 384 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: In Kansas City, Marty Schottenheimer was probably the most confident 385 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: coach that I've ever been around in terms of just 386 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: boldly proclaiming, hey man, we're gonna win. 387 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: This e We're gonna get it done. 388 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: Like just just did that and DG there's something that 389 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: comes with it when your coach boldly puts it out there, like, man, 390 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: this is what we're gonna do. 391 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna beat the breaks off this team. We're gonna 392 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: get after it. We have to do these things. But 393 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: if we do these things, the results. 394 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: So you have to be a little delusional to be 395 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: effected when you're taking over and transforming a downtrodden program. 396 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson has done that, and I'm gonna say that, 397 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: like even the little quirky. 398 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: Thing, did they chant at the end of games and 399 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: all that, like you saw our first hand with Jim 400 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: Harbaugh and stuff. Did they do like they have a 401 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: self assuredness about them that makes you believe that the 402 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: message is gonna work. This is a big test for 403 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 3: them because yet now you called them out. So now 404 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: that you called him out, you got to deliver. It's 405 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: all the emotion and stuff is gonna be there. But yeah, 406 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: you call them out, you definitely have to deliver. 407 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 408 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: Two of the best defensive coaches I've been around or 409 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: got to know was Rex who was uber obviously still 410 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: is like uber confident and people will say arrogant and 411 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz same way, and these guys always have great defenses. 412 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: But I mean, I just think there is something too. 413 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: There's a brashness to it. 414 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: It's so competitive and there's such few slim margins. 415 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: I should say that. I think that counts for something. Man, 416 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: it does. 417 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: I call it competitive arrogance where you are willing to 418 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: go to that line because you look, you're all day 419 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: competitive for the ball down, let's go. I think maybe 420 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: I've seen too many old miss videos because your thing 421 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: is spot the ball, the ball down, this, let's do 422 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: going on or whatever, like there there is something too 423 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: that when we were scouting Fresnoe State, was anybody, any time, anyplace, 424 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: you know, like like. 425 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: There is something to it. We don't care who it is, 426 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: you're coming to get this. 427 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: I'm excited to see it because that game last week 428 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: Black Friday game for the Bears that was kind of 429 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: like diminster, like, oh, they're for real if they knock 430 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: off the Packers. The conversation is completely different about the 431 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: Bears going into the tournament. 432 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun. 433 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: And again we'd see that matchup twice, so that's going 434 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: to be fun twice in three weeks I believe, so 435 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to that game one other game with two 436 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: division leaders, it feels weird because it doesn't feel like 437 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: either one of these teams has been all that consistent 438 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: or good. And that's the Steelers and the Ravens. With 439 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: a lot on the line in this one, yeah so 440 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: so much. Man, this is a hard one to handicap. 441 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: Like I was doing the preview picks shopping and I 442 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: was like, man, I have no idea whether to go. 443 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: None of them have momentum. 444 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: The Ravens give away one when we thought they were 445 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: back and whenever, and then the Bengals smoked them, and 446 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: then still has just looked terrible in. 447 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: Their last game. 448 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: Normally I would hang my hat on the defense, but 449 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: both defenses have been bad. So then it comes down 450 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: to who do you believe can fix the problems? 451 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: And did I have no idea? I literally have no idea. 452 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: When I look at both of these teams, they're the same. 453 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 3: I would say that the nod for the Ravens comes 454 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: down to Lamar Jackson and his ability to make plays. 455 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: You believe in his ability at quarterback to make more 456 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: plays than Aaron Rodgers. But I don't really have a 457 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: leg to stand when it comes to picking the Ravens 458 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: or the Steelers or vice versa. 459 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, defense was so bad, I don't. 460 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I like, I believe in like 461 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: the the foundation of the Steelers, and I believe in 462 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: Mike Common all stuff. But I'm like cash Cas, you 463 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: gotta get me something to go off of here with 464 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: this defense man, And there's just nothing's not been good man. 465 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: I mean the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo ran through them. 466 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: With backup tackles and ran the same two to three 467 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: plays over and over and over again. 468 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Like it's hard to have a lot of confidence that 469 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: I did, man, if you can't fix it. And then 470 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: you look at the Ravens. The Ravens are right there. 471 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: They work so hard to get to a point where 472 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: they can just run through the division, and then they 473 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: lay an egg against the Bengals where they had a 474 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: lot of self inflicted mistakes. 475 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I worry about their maturity 476 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to being a championship team. I don't know. 477 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: I mean, they're probably the better one on paper, but 478 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: I have nothing, nothing that I can give you on it. 479 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: The one I do those same picks that was a 480 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: plug your nose and just pick the Ravens on that one. 481 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I I don't love love any part 482 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: of this game, but I'll take I'll take the Ravens to. 483 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: Get that one done. Last one. 484 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: Those Bengals you just mentioned, they got the inverse record 485 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: of the eight and four Bills. But the Bengals with 486 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, it's not a four to eight team, not 487 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: a team. 488 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: And I would anticipate him being even more comfortable because 489 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: he eats. His game changed from the first half to 490 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: the second half. As he settled in, you can get 491 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: a much better version. And because they're so explosive and 492 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: dynamic on offense, man, they can put you in this 493 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: thing where you're gonna shoot out and you don't even 494 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: want to engage in one against him. 495 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: And the ability to set the term. 496 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: Terms with their offense makes them dangerous. And if they 497 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: can just get one or two stops and I'll go 498 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: and plan for a stop or two, they can be 499 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: a difference. 500 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: First one to thirty five wins. That's That's where I'm 501 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: going on that one. I think that game gets in 502 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: the thirties for both those teams. So I think the 503 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: Bengals keep it close by. I'll go with the Bills 504 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: on that one. 505 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, like it has to. I think 506 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: the Bibles are the better team. 507 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: They understand what they're up against, and with the Patriots 508 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: kind of running away with division, Bill has got a 509 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 3: hon rup make sure they get into the tournament. 510 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know we have. 511 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Another show coming up before we have the money in 512 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: that game, but man, we can hit on that one briefly. 513 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Buck the the Eagles coming into so far taking on 514 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: the Chargers at it, it has the feel of a 515 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: very big game for both these teams. 516 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's a huge game. 517 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: Like the Eagles are dysfunctional as all get out, so 518 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 3: you want about the mental state coming into it. The 519 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: Charges to worry is about Justin Herban and every expectation 520 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: that he's going to show up and play and do 521 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: those things. To me, man, this is a desperation game 522 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: for the Eagles because I feel like if they lose 523 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: this game, I think. 524 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: This season as Dallas is right there and this feels 525 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: that they've had a collapse before, it starts to feel 526 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: like that a little bit. 527 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I think I think I think it 528 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: could be like that. So I think the charges have 529 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: all the advantage. I'm looking at the charges to get 530 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: the death. 531 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: They have no doubt. 532 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: All right, well we'll be We're back on Monday with Baldi. 533 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: We'll recap all these ballgames. Looking forward to that show. 534 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: We'll look forward to having you guys with us. We'll 535 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: see you next time. 536 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: Right here on, move the sticks.