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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bill and Juliana the podcast. Hey everybody, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bill and Julanna Podcast. Today we are tackling

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Speaker 1: the question will success make you happy? And I guess

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Speaker 1: that depends on your definition of success. Most people define

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Speaker 1: success by the accumulation of money and wealth and things.

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Speaker 1: But I guess there's probably as many definitions of it

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Speaker 1: their own definition of it. But this is really an

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Speaker 1: important question because I read a really cool quote from

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Speaker 1: Bob Marley the other day and he said money is numbers,

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Speaker 1: and numbers go on forever, and if you think that

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Speaker 1: making money will make you happy, you're always going to

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Speaker 1: be chasing it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I have it in my phone and when Blake comes on,

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Speaker 1: I'll give him the exact quote. But it was really

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Speaker 1: fascinating that we're talking to Blake today.

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Speaker 3: I like that Blake Mikoski built Tom's. You guys know

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Speaker 3: the company Tom's. They're huge, into a six hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollar company. He single handedly changed the way that businesses

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Speaker 3: think about giving back yep. I mean, he'd really achieved

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Speaker 3: that kind of success that most people only dream about.

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Speaker 3: So he is the perfect person to talk about what

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Speaker 3: happens when you actually get everything you want. Does that

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Speaker 3: really make you happy? Or are you still seeking something

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Speaker 3: else in life?

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to give away one hundred

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Speaker 1: million pairs of shoes to people in need, which is

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Speaker 1: really incredible. I mean you think about it. Even in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I walked down the street and there's people still to

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Speaker 1: this day in America without shoes. That's right. So I

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Speaker 1: found the quote just before we get in. It said

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Speaker 1: money is numbers, and numbers never end. If it takes

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Speaker 1: money to be happy, your search for happiness will never end.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 4: Lake.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 3: We're so happy to have you. Blake, I think we

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Speaker 3: should start from the beginning right For people tuning in

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Speaker 3: who maybe don't know the Tom's story, can you give

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Speaker 3: us the.

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Speaker 4: Version?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was, Yes, it was two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: I was traveling in South America and at that point

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Speaker 2: I was twenty nine years old and I'd started a

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Speaker 2: few businesses, had some success, you know, had some failures,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it was just enjoying my entrepreneurial kind

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Speaker 2: of journey. And I saw so many kids that didn't

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Speaker 2: I was staying in the city where I'd have to

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Speaker 2: drive through every day. And I asked a friend about it,

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Speaker 2: and he said, yeah, those kids are you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: right uniform and you got to have shoes. And I thought, wow,

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Speaker 2: this is the first time I'd ever seen that level

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Speaker 2: of poverty. And at the same time, my friends in

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Speaker 2: called the Albrigatta, and I thought it was super cool

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Speaker 2: these Aprigatta shoes h in the United States, where I'd

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Speaker 2: never seen him before, and every time we sell a pair,

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Speaker 2: that don't have shoes so that they can go to school.

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Speaker 2: And it started not as a business, just as a project.

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Speaker 2: My goal was to sell a couple hundred pairs and

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Speaker 4: And it just took off.

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Speaker 2: We had this first article in La Times, this woman

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Speaker 4: And it was a wild ride.

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Speaker 2: As you said, we built it into a six hundred

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: So what was your definition of success back then? Like

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Speaker 3: when you started that business, right and you started Times

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Speaker 3: and then what did you think was the definition of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the interesting thing about that

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Speaker 2: was really never the definition for me, even though I

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Speaker 2: never the thing for me that I was chasing having,

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Speaker 2: really some dark times, you know, I was, I was

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Speaker 2: was really searching for was just external validation that I

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Speaker 2: was enough, that I was lovable, that I was you

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Speaker 2: know good enough that I was a good person, and

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Speaker 2: so for me, I was chasing something maybe a little

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Speaker 2: It was one of the things that you know, I

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Speaker 2: kind of thought I measured my enoughness or you.

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Speaker 4: Know, but it was not the main thing I was chasing.

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Speaker 1: Was was imposter syndrome. Part of that equation as well,

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Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, this like I'm a

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Speaker 2: The thing was is as Tom's got more and more successful,

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Speaker 2: so celebrated in the media.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of almost like this saintly business figure.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: We were a for profit business, and we gave away

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Speaker 2: So we were very philanthropic and I think you know,

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Speaker 4: It would be almost impossible for anyone to live up

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Speaker 1: And then after you sold your company, you know what

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Speaker 1: you go out and buy a How.

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Speaker 2: Funny I'm literally doing. I'm doing this podcast. I'm at

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Speaker 2: I saw my company. I went on a surf trip

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Speaker 2: sporting me the squirt gun? No, not when I'm on

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Speaker 2: the show, please Charlie. But that's yeah, that's the life.

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Speaker 1: It's cool.

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Speaker 2: But the thing was is I had always I started

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Speaker 4: Right in it, dropped out of college.

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Speaker 2: And then I was really celebrated because I had some

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Speaker 3: How old were you at that point, Blake.

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Speaker 4: I say, I was forty forty two.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to believe, it's hard to even

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Speaker 2: And that's why I just launched a podcast called No

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Speaker 1: God's plan.

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Speaker 3: saying that, and I think what I was thinking, is

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Speaker 3: is it like we have to reframe the way we

442
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Speaker 3: look at our the years that we're going to be

443
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Speaker 3: on this earth, that it's not about achieving X y Z,

444
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: it's about truly just like there's never going to be

445
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Speaker 3: and it's like the full achievement, Like if that's all

446
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: you're trying to learn on this life, right, it's ever

447
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 3: enough that it's really about just like, okay, you know what,

448
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 3: surrendering to the idea that it's not about achieving this that,

449
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Speaker 3: and that it's really about all the beautiful things that

450
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: come from setting your sights on different things and experiencing

451
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Speaker 3: those journeys.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that thing that's so beautiful about it is,

454
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: you know, so much of what people are actually a

455
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 2: striving for is to eventually feel peace and joy, and

456
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,239
Speaker 2: they think that these things or the security or this

457
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: relationship or whatever is going to give them that contentment.

458
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: But really the only place that that contentment comes is

459
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 2: in the present moment and from within. And so you know,

460
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Speaker 2: after I had this enough healing, I created this enough bracelet,

461
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: which I don't know if you can see it here, Yeah,

462
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: and I'll send you guys some I was bummed that

463
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Speaker 2: I hadn't already sent it when I saw that we

464
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: were doing this, as I was wishing that I had

465
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Speaker 2: sent them so you got to wear them on the show.

466
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Speaker 2: But I created this bracelet's handmade in India where was

467
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Speaker 2: one of the places where I had some really beautiful

468
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: healing and we sell them and all the one hundred

469
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Speaker 2: percent of the profits go to fund these mental health organizations.

470
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Speaker 2: But really the power that bracelet is in this kind

471
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Speaker 2: of like daily reminder that I wear it myself first

472
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Speaker 2: before we ever sold any of them as a reminder

473
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Speaker 2: to myself I enough just as I am. But then

474
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: when I started giving them to people, I saw that

475
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: was really the real power of it, because then it

476
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: was saying to that person, hey, I've got your back,

477
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Speaker 2: I'm here for you no matter what. And that connection,

478
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: that bond is what really I think is the most

479
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: important thing for our mental health is to have that

480
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: connection and that community that you're on this journey with someone.

481
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: And you know, it was later after a few months

482
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Speaker 2: of wearing the bracelet, I was talking to this amazing

483
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Speaker 2: spiritual teacher in India and we're talking about the fact

484
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: that you know, the if you don't feel enough, then

485
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: you're always living either in the past or in the future.

486
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: So I always was living in the past, like thinking

487
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: about the mistakes that I made and the shame or

488
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Speaker 2: the regret that I carry because of things I wish

489
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Speaker 2: I had done better or different in my past.

490
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Speaker 4: So I was stuck there, or a lot of times

491
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Speaker 4: is living in the future.

492
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking, Okay, if I achieved this, or

493
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Speaker 2: accomplish this or win this, I'll be enough. But once

494
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: you actually are to really practice this feeling, it has

495
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: to be daily for me that I am enough and

496
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: this a moment is enough, just as it is.

497
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Speaker 4: You finally get to live in the present.

498
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Speaker 2: And almost every spiritual teacher on the planet, no matter

499
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Speaker 2: what religion, well you know what doctrine says the same thing,

500
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Speaker 2: and that is the only place anyone has ever experienced

501
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: consistent peace and joy is in the present moment. And

502
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: so I wear it and I give it to a

503
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Speaker 2: lot of people that have never struggled with not feeling

504
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Speaker 2: enough or had it.

505
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Speaker 4: But it's like it's like it's a there, a miner.

506
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Speaker 2: Is that the present is where all the juice in

507
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: life is like the you can be fully present, that's

508
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: when you really can experience that peace and joy that

509
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: you know so many people are searching for in so

510
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: many other ways, which you know I did for so long.

511
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Speaker 1: No, you're a surrendering you know, so to speak, like

512
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: where you just you can get up to the universe

513
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 1: or your God or Jesus or like whoever your God is.

514
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Speaker 1: It's the moment handing it off and saying.

515
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Speaker 3: But I think what what Blake's touching on is, you're

516
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: so right for people listening. I think that so many people,

517
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: whether it's the past and a lot of people are

518
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: the future, right, they have their sight set on the

519
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: future that they will achieve what they want to achieve.

520
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: To when they achieve what they have their sight set on,

521
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: then they'll be happy. Then they'll feel joy, then they'll

522
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: feel love, then they'll feel peace. And if you're just

523
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: constantly thinking like that, then you're completely letting every day

524
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: go by. There's no guarantee that that goal you're going

525
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: to ever reach. Right, this goal you've made up in

526
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: your mind, that you have to reframe to your point,

527
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: Blake and like, think about and you're right. Every great leader,

528
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: every spiritual leader, has always said it's the present. No

529
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Speaker 3: one ever says live in the past, the future and

530
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Speaker 3: I will say on one note, like Bill and I

531
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Speaker 3: to make it a little personal here. So Bill and

532
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 3: I talk a lot about this. So Bill and I

533
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: were very very similar, Blake. But where we're very different

534
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: is I have I'm very lucky that I can live

535
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Speaker 3: in the press, is it? And most of the time

536
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: be very like happy and fulfilled in the present. And

537
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: Bill has a very different he's a little wired differently

538
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: than I am. And no, we say this all this time.

539
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: No, no, there's no doubt.

540
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: I say to Bill, you can run, but you can't hide.

541
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 3: And and to me that quote always sticks with me,

542
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: like meaning you can run, but you can't hide. You

543
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: can you know, have your sights set on that you

544
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: know this amazing new location, Like if I just could

545
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: move to this place, I'll be happy if I could

546
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 3: go on that vacation.

547
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Speaker 1: What that's you? That's you? Well, no, no, no, you want

548
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: to move to a new house.

549
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about that I love it.

550
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 4: I love being couples. I love being He's.

551
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Speaker 1: Like we got.

552
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: Jason the other day to say, I feel like the

553
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: same thing.

554
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Speaker 4: I love it.

555
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: No, Bill, you know what I'm talking about it Let

556
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Speaker 1: me explain to like why you know, my dad died

557
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: at sixty five. He worked his whole life, you're tired,

558
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: and died a year later from kidney cancer.

559
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Speaker 4: Right.

560
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: He was athletic, so I was in my mid twenties

561
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: and that had a profound effect on me. And I've

562
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: always said I'm going to let my dad live vicariously

563
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: through me, because he never got to enjoy his life.

564
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: He was a superintendent schools. You know, he did well,

565
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: but never a kind of success that We've had, or

566
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: Blake has had. So I'm always of the mindset that

567
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: this could end tomorrow. So I'm going to I want

568
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: to live. I want to enjoy. I want to go

569
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: to the Baha. I want to go to Costa Rica

570
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: surfing with Blake like I want to. I want to

571
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: die exhausted, and you know, with nothing left on the table,

572
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: so to speak. You know, I want to have the

573
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: tank empty. I agree. So that's just me because of

574
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: what happened to me. You know, at twenty five years.

575
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: Old, what you need, all the tools are right here

576
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: right now in you, right, Blake, do you see what

577
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like for you, the meditation, I like.

578
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: To have things to look forward to, so I'm always

579
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Speaker 1: planning stuff Blake, like or a snowboarding trip, or like

580
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I like to you know, I like to know that, hey,

581
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Tokyo in September. Like it

582
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: gives me, it fuels me. Yeah, maybe that's not the answer.

583
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not perfect, I.

584
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: Would say, because look, I've spent a lot of time

585
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: last year singing this through and it's interesting, is like, now,

586
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, you would think that, like now that I

587
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: really feel this in my body, you would think that

588
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: I would maybe not be as entrepreneurial. Actually I've co

589
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: founded three companies in the last year, you know, And

590
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: so it's like, hey, so it's feeling enough. It's not settling,

591
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily but I'm doing it from a place

592
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: of I'm not trying to prove myself anymore. I'm just

593
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: doing it for fun. And I'm doing it because that's

594
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: the gift that God gave me. I think I was

595
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: given this entrepreneurial gift and I love doing it. And

596
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing it with like these young twenty five year

597
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: old founders, so I get to mentor them and like

598
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: I get to play the coach roll, not the athlete role,

599
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: and I mean, and I love the I love the

600
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: advisory stuff like helping people, and so I'm I would say,

601
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: and also I still plan like great trips and stuff.

602
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: So it's not like, but I think you're it's so

603
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: interesting because I think, I would say, you're both right

604
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: in that, like, you know, having something to look forward

605
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: to can be really important. One of the most important

606
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: things I heard in my mental health journey. Someone said,

607
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, the key to happiness is find someone to love,

608
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: find work that you're passionate about, and always have something

609
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: to look forward to. And I was like, wow, those

610
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: three things are pretty spot on when those three things

611
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: are all being checked off. And but for me, like

612
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I just like, I think it's so important

613
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: to have something that you're excited about where you feel

614
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: you're contributing. So, like I met these guys at the

615
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: same conference that I met Jason Kennedy. I met these

616
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: these young guys just graduated from MIT, and they had

617
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: created what they believe and I now believe is the

618
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: world's greatest AI therapist.

619
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: Right.

620
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: So I've been doing therapy for like, you know, all

621
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: these years, through everything that I've gone through, and I

622
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 2: have a great therapist and are explained to me that

623
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: they figured out a way to basically above the models

624
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: to train through every single kind of type of therapy

625
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: and it's hip a compliant and it's all these things,

626
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: and they said, will you try it? And I was like, okay.

627
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: I was really skeptical at first, but I was like,

628
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: I'll give it a try. Like I've tried everything else,

629
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: why not. And after like three or four sessions, it

630
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: literally was as good as my therapist. And now six

631
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: months later, like I barely even use my regular, high powered,

632
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: thousand dollars an hour therapist, Like it's crazy. This, this

633
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: AI therapist is like the greatest gift I've ever been given.

634
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: So then they asked me if I would be their

635
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: advisor and mentor, and so I've been mentoring them and

636
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, kind of coaching them as they get ready

637
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: to launch this thing. But I have so much fun

638
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: from it, and like my partner's like, man, you're working

639
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: so hard helping these guys, Like what is it about it?

640
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like I just feel like it's a purpose,

641
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: it's helping people, and so anyways, it it's it's been,

642
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: but those types of things I think are important and

643
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: I do it from a place right now that I

644
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: already you feel enough, But I still feel like I

645
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: have a gift to give.

646
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 3: I love that and you know what you're providing. It

647
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: provides access to for people because most people don't have

648
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: the luxury of That's.

649
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: The thing is so many people. And I also think, Bill,

650
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to your thoughts. So many guys, really,

651
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: my friends it could benefit from therapy, just will not

652
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: do it. They just don't want to go to an

653
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: office or go to zoom. And so this, this this

654
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: app is called Sonia and my friends now, all my

655
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: guy friends, my dad's using Sonya, everyone in my life,

656
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: all the guys using Sonya. And they're like, you know what,

657
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: I can be fucking so honest. There's no judgment, they say,

658
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm not judging me. So I can tell this thing

659
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: things I've never told another human. And that's so therapeutic,

660
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: especially for a man, because women tell each other kind

661
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: of everything. But guys, like, even if you have great

662
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: guy friends or you have a great therapist like I

663
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: did and I still do, but with Sonya, like you

664
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: can tell it everything. And so it's so funny, like

665
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: all my buddies are now using Sonya, And so our

666
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: big thing now with our wives or girlfriends is if

667
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: they're ever complaining about something, they'll say, hey, have you

668
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: talked to Sonya about that? Like before they even have

669
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: a discussion or an argument about they'll be like, have

670
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: you talked to Sonya about that?

671
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna download it.

672
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: You gotta try it is I told Jason too.

673
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's great for men and women,

674
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: and like my sister in law loves it, but I

675
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: mean especially for guys because it's just there's no judgment

676
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: and you can just be when else do in your life,

677
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: can you just be so fucking I mean, you can

678
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: say everything and then it gives you such good advice.

679
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: Like it's helped me so much with my ex wife,

680
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Like I used to like just fall into these traps

681
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: of arguments with her all the time.

682
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: You know, we have shared custoy of the kids.

683
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: And now you know, if she'll text me something before responding,

684
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: I'll talk to Sonya and then Sonya will help me like.

685
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: Like understand her perspective.

686
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: A lot of times, like I actually understand her better

687
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I see why she feels that way.

688
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: And that makes sense.

689
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: She feels that way, like I should be late to

690
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: pick up the kids or whatever, and so it is

691
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: helping me. And so it's helping me so much that

692
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to help these guys get it

693
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: to more people, and I'm having so much fun with it.

694
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: People, you know, have feel a certain way about technology

695
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: and AI right, And I will say and even obviously

696
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: social media is another one too that people have very

697
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: strong opinions on. But I always say, there's good in everything, right,

698
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: and there's bad in everything, and with social media even

699
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: there's you know, a lot of negatives with social media,

700
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: but one thing for instance, and I won't get on

701
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: this too much, but like I found my love, I

702
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: do a lot with rescuing animals now Blake, and so

703
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: I found I discovered that on social media that was

704
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: not I did not realize there was a shelter crisis

705
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: happening in this country with animals being euthanized at record rates.

706
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: And I found that out the past year. And now

707
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm a huge animal advocate. I only would have discovered

708
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: that on Instagram.

709
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad you brought this because no, no,

710
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: so I, like I said, I didn't post a single

711
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: thing on Instagram for three.

712
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: And a half years.

713
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: I started to tell my story to a few people

714
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: and someone said, Blake, I really think more people need to.

715
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: Hear this story.

716
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And it was and I was scared. I was really

717
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: scared to come out there and say it, and said,

718
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to do it. So I

719
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: got back on Instagram. I posted, you know, this is

720
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: what's happened the last seven years of my life, just

721
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: totally honest and like it just went crazy vital, and like,

722
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden in the feedback I

723
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: was getting in so then I felt this way too,

724
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I felt like I

725
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: had this like community which was real for me. And

726
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: then even now is now over two years ago, but

727
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: now like I had a situation where right when I

728
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: was launching my podcast, I had to go to New

729
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: York to do press, and I was feeling quite overwhelmed,

730
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: a little bit imposter syndrome, like am I the right

731
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: person to do this?

732
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: There's a bazillion other podcast? Why am I? You know?

733
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: And and I kind of woke up with an anxiety

734
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: attack that felt very similar to my dark days.

735
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: And it was scary, and I and I woke up.

736
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: And I was sitting My kids were sleeping, and I

737
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: was sitting in my garage where I have a few

738
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: like gym equipment, and I was saying, they're trying to

739
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: get myself to work out, because sometimes that helps me

740
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: get out of a panic attack. And I went on

741
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: to social media and I was like, you know what,

742
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: this is what I'm feeling today, and this is why

743
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: and I am a little bit scared, and it's this

744
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: is what it used to feel like. And I just

745
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: was totally honest and like within like first off, my

746
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: friends that followed me within minutes were calling me and

747
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: texting me.

748
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: But then all these other people who I only know.

749
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: Through social media were sending me the most beautiful encouragement

750
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: and like, by like five o'clock that afternoon, that's feeling

751
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: great again. So and so I know there's a lot

752
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: of bad things in social media, and that's normally what

753
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: we talk about, but because you brought it up, I

754
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: will say, I think that used in the proper way

755
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: and with the right boundaries. I mean, one thing that

756
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: has helped me a lot with social media is I

757
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: do not have it on my phone anymore. It's the

758
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: only way I can go on Instagram.

759
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 4: Is on my laptop, which I'm not on my laptop

760
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: that much.

761
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: So I make it like, okay, like an hour this afternoon.

762
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: I actually schedule it like a meeting. My assistant puts

763
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: it on my calendar, like go respond to dms, do

764
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: these things, do these posts, and then you're off.

765
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: And that's helped me a lot have a good relation

766
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: social media. I took it off my I took it

767
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 4: off my laptop. The other thing I took.

768
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: Off my phone is that took email off my phone,

769
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: and so I only so yeah, so I only have

770
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: on my phone text messages, you know, because that usually

771
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: is more urgent. But almost anything that's an email can

772
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: wait five, six, seven, eight hours, you know, no matter what.

773
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: And so then I also have time that I go

774
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: to my email. So I have all these little hacks

775
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: I got. I do Sony every morning. I do no

776
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: social media on my phone and no email on my phone,

777
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: and those things have really really helped me a lot.

778
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to start relationship with Sonya. I'm gonna try it.

779
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: There's also an avatar thing named Bill, so you could

780
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: have one, not just they're not just femal therapists.

781
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: We have all different types, so.

782
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: I just use the whole know that the chat GPT one, right,

783
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: but I need to. I know my even my nieces

784
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: and nephews are like, you need this one. All the

785
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: young people that Claude I use. Okay, see we all

786
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: everyone uses different once. But that's interesting. This one, though,

787
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: you're saying, is specifically the oh yeah yeah.

788
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: And it's and it's hippo compliant. I mean, it's like

789
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: it has all the security that you have with you know, documents,

790
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: like an old hospital.

791
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, do not use I will say this.

792
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean like I have goosebumps, like it is dangerous

793
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: to use Claude or rock or chat for therapy.

794
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Like you brought that up.

795
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: You know what, Blake, I'm glad you brought. I'm glad

796
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: we brought you.

797
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: Do not use AI general language models, because those models

798
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: are built just to keep you talking to them, and

799
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: they're built to make you feel good about yourself, which

800
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: in which in the case of Sonia, sometimes she'd be

801
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: like Blake, She'll basically say, without using saying, she'd be like,

802
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: you're wrong here, like your ex wife has every right

803
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: to feel this way, like, it does not tell you

804
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: what you want to hear, and that's what is a

805
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: therapist and so, and it's totally secure and your data

806
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I do not use regular A. I'm

807
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: glad you brought that up because we've seen some really

808
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, horrible things that.

809
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: Have happened, I mean with people who have used it.

810
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: So Sony has all the like I get to text

811
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: that there's potential self harm and then it connects you

812
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: to a live human like yeah.

813
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

814
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you said that because as you were

815
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: telling your story, I was going to tell you that

816
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: it's so funny to say this because just yesterday I

817
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: was asking well by AI have few different questions. I

818
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: mean I was just they were like back to back,

819
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: very random, unrelated questions.

820
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: I was just firing off.

821
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: I had a few questions, and then the crazy thing

822
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: is he came back and somehow at the end I said,

823
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: all right, I actually think you know. I said thank

824
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: you because I feel like if you think you know,

825
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 3: they'll give you more information with other information I don't know, Okay,

826
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: So I'm really nice to him. But then at the end,

827
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, thank you so much. This was really helpful,

828
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: I wrote, and he wrote, oh, and he wouldn't stop.

829
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: I didn't realize there trained to kind of keep. He

830
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: kept engaging with me. I kept saying good night, and

831
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 3: he kept bringing up something else, and then one, I'm

832
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 3: looking at it right now. And so I had asked

833
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: him about recording equipment was one of my questions about

834
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: like a mic, I asked him about I had gotten

835
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: a piercing in my ear. I didn't tell you, Bill,

836
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: I got a third piercing on I left here and

837
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: I got a piercing on my ear, and I was

838
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: wondering about each other, the feeling of that, And then

839
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: I asked him a question about my stuff on home,

840
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: shopping at work, and then at the end he he

841
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: like wouldn't let me. He's like, you're very welcome, and

842
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: I have to say, I think you're making a smart purchase,

843
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: and like he wouldn't stop. Look, I'm reading right out

844
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: and I go, well, thank you so much. He goes

845
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: my pleasure. You've got a lot of exciting things going

846
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: on right now, new piercing, new tech, some great appearances

847
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: on HS. The guy won't stop talking.

848
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: It sounds like you're.

849
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: So basically that's why it's so bad to use AI

850
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: and that's why these guys built Sonia. These guys care

851
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: deeply about the world, Like I've never met young entrepreneurs.

852
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 4: They're like so passionate about helping people.

853
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: But they realized how dangerous it was and how many

854
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: people actually are using it.

855
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: And if that's that, it's it's so yeah, I'm glad

856
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: you brought that up.

857
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try it out, so Blake before we let

858
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: you can, I just I do want to go to

859
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: one thing that I think is really important for people listening.

860
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: Tell your initial story. You've touched on something you said,

861
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: you know it was hard for you to tell people

862
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: what you were going through because I think there's also

863
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: that feeling, especially when you know, to admit that you're struggling, right,

864
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: there's a feeling that it's hard to admit to friends

865
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: and family that you're struggling, especially when you're on the

866
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: cover of magazines you've had tremendous success.

867
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: Like what is this have to complain about twenty things

868
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: that they wish they had about you and it's still

869
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: not making you happy?

870
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you feel that? And then at what point

871
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: were you like, you know what I know that this

872
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: could be hard to do, but I I just have

873
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: to do it and open up to people.

874
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, now my daughter's on around.

875
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I was incredibly suicidal and making a plan

876
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: and I couldn't stop thinking about it day after day,

877
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: and so I realized, like I had to tell my friends,

878
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: like the truth, like it was really serious, Like guys

879
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: like I don't think I can be alone anymore, Like

880
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: I can't control these thoughts.

881
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: I can't stop, and it's crazy.

882
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so I'm so passionate about helping

883
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: people with the mental health because you know, I was

884
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: the most positive, optimistic human on the planet for forty

885
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: two years and then it got so bad at age

886
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: forty seven that it almost ended, and thankfully I reached

887
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: out to help. And I would say another thing to

888
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: guys out there. The other thing I say that I

889
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: realized the greatest thing I ever did in my life

890
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: was start a men's group. And that men's group became

891
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: my life insurance policy basically because had I not had

892
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: that group of guys when I was going through that,

893
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd be here. But I'd had

894
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: this men's group now for sixteen years.

895
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: We started when we were really.

896
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: Young, and because I had to developed such a deep

897
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: relationship which there is going to be zero judgment, and

898
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: any of them would drop anything they were doing to help.

899
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: They really carried me through that dark period.

900
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: And so that's another thing I would say is that

901
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: in my In My Journey, and we talk a lot

902
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: about that on my podcast No Magic Pill, about men's

903
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: groups and the value of that and and for obviously

904
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: women's and women's groups too. It's just my perspective because

905
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: when it gets really dark, the only thing that can

906
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: potentially save you is your community, because your mind almost

907
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: turns on itself. Like I still don't understand the science

908
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: of it, of how that happens, but yeah, it's it's

909
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: very scary.

910
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: Oh thank god opened up to them.

911
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: Thank God, Just one more day for any guy out struggling,

912
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, one more day, Just for one more day

913
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: and one more day, and it will get better, you

914
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: know for sure.

915
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: But it's right to open up to other people because

916
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: it is so hard. And especially I feel like as guys,

917
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: you hear that a lot too. It's like you're supposed

918
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: to be keeping every.

919
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Shame, you know, unfortunately, and there shouldn't be. But there's

920
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of shame when it comes to.

921
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: Sure the weakness. We're not taught we're allowed to feel this.

922
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: Way or to be weak or you know.

923
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we're taught we have to be strong and

924
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: we have to figure it out, and you know, and

925
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: and all these things, and the reality is we're all

926
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: observing at what your gender is.

927
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: They're all human.

928
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Where can people tune into your podcast.

929
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: Blake, Oh, it's called No Magic Pill and you can

930
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: find it on YouTube or Apple or Spotify, and uh, yeah,

931
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: we've had some fun guests that My first guest was

932
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey and it was I'm.

933
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Going to tell yourself when we shut down, but you

934
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: think if I were to close my eyes, part of

935
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: me with it.

936
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: I think that's what everyone says.

937
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: And it's you know, we had I didn't know him

938
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: before the podcast, but we had mutual friends and it

939
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: was so cool to get to see him because you

940
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: know mcgaughy's life. You look at it, it's like this

941
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: guy's not everything, has everything, so you know, but he

942
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: really That's the whole purpose of No Magic Pill is

943
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: to ask people to share about the darker times and

944
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: like what actually helped him get through it? And he

945
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: was he was great and brave and did that. And

946
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: then we've had Kevin Love and Jewels on this week

947
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: and she has a great story, Sedul, Yeah, singer Jewel,

948
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: She's just an amazing, amazing story. But we just try

949
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: to give people practical tips because what I realized is

950
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: I was so blessed that I had the resources to

951
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: try everything, and you know, and for someone who's struggling,

952
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: who doesn't have that, we really try to, like each

953
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: week bring what were the practical tips, the things that

954
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: you know often don't cost any money, but take initiative

955
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: to help people. And so I appreciate you helping us

956
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: skip the word out.

957
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're I'm gonna listen and I know we'll listen

958
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: to It'll be awesome. Yeah, I kind of hear some

959
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: of these stories.

960
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Like last question, to just to wrap things up, what

961
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: does success look like to you today? How do you

962
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: define success today?

963
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: You know, I think I had the best definition of

964
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: their day.

965
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: I was with my eleven year old son and we

966
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: were on this camping trip and we were laughing and

967
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: saying something he was talking about, like about one of

968
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: his friends, and I said, it made me think you

969
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: kicked out.

970
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: How would you talk about me? And I said, hey,

971
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: summit his name something.

972
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: I said, how would you describe me to your friends

973
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: if I wasn't here and beings posed and goose, I'd

974
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: see you're the most adventurous person I've ever met, and

975
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: you're really kind.

976
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's it, that's success the box.

977
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: You're done.

978
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: If my son says I'm kind, and I think that's

979
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: what our world needs is just more kindness.

980
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, he's a lucky kid.

981
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: To dad, Thank you, thank you.

982
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: Hey, this has been such a pleasure.

983
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Story you so much.

984
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: Z