WEBVTT - Colin Powell Dies, Betty White Survives 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.120 Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:22.239 Radio Together Everything. So don't don't Welcome to the Worst 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:32.520 Year Ever. They'll get no, we won't. Everyone's gonna die, die, Die, Die, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:44.640 Die Die. Not I went into or not Betty White's 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.800 gonna die. You did, That's easy. It's a lot of 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.240 people go from our theme song into the Boxer. It's 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:57.520 it's just a natural connection. Look, everybody does Simon and Garfunkele, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:03.120 Simon and Garfunkele. Betty White's gonna die like soon. Sorry, 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.360 I eventually, Oh, look, this isn't news. This isn't me trying. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.160 I just see. I mean at least not at least 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.840 once a week, but often enough for me to say that, Um, 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.759 you know, there's some poised post about somebody protect Betty 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.839 White this or that, and I'm like, gosh, she's almost 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.080 a hundred. She is nice. She's gonna die. It is 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.240 a miracle she's still around, and like, yes, be grateful 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.480 for every second you have with her. But it's she's 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.760 gonna die. She should die like some breaking news alert. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.839 You're just so sorry. I don't. We were talking about 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.600 how everybody was gonna die, die, die, to die, die 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:47.280 and this is something. Yeah, White's gonna die because she's 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.120 gonna die, going to die is Patrick's gonna feel really 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.080 bad at that, Katie. If it happens this week, at 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.800 the end of the world will just be the two 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:02.080 of them fighting over a volcano chess. But Donald Trump 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.440 is not going to die, but he's jealous of Colin Powell. Tye, Yah, Katie. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.360 If Betty White dies this week, we need to have 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.880 a talk about your time traveling. I know, I know. Um, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.040 I hope that does not happen. Say it every week 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.760 for me, it does. Do not at me, do not 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.160 at me, alight when she you can at me when 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.160 she dies. Fuck, we've been talking about this for too long, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.560 speaking of do we want to talk about We'll get there. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:35.440 We'll get there. We'll get there. How are you guys doing? Um? 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:41.960 You know I'm sad about Betty White potentially die. No, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.520 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just need to say. The 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.919 point of me saying that is to enjoy every minute. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.960 Do not live in the future, do not live in fear, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.760 but be prepared. That's all. You don't need to pre emptively. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.360 More so, enjoy every minute with like your loved ones. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.680 I mean, if you if she is your loved one, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.160 then that people listening to the podcasts who are very 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.320 close friends with She's got a huge This is actually 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.640 going to be a surprise to you, Cody. But um, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:16.400 Betty White's family comprises a huge subset of our listeners. Um, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.680 she's got a huge family. I know you think that 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:25.800 she's kids. Rate review and tell us about your relationship 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:31.200 to Betty White. Still alive? She's still alive, Guys, when 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.880 she's found dead, police should look at Katie first. Oh god, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.320 damn it. I've now sworn several times and it's three minutes. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.640 Should we Should we talk about Colin Powell? Should we 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.560 just dive in and talk about the deceased? Why not? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.960 You know what? Why not? Yeah? He's dead as ship. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.680 He sucks. I mean, that's the blunt summary of his career. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.920 The long summary of his career is that he did 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.600 a bunch of war crimes for I don't know, like 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.480 fifty issue years and then he died. I listened to 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:10.880 UM the Daily talking about Colin Powell when it was amazing. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.000 I mean, it really tried to paint a more sympathetic 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.680 picture of him. I guess is not amazing while still 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:24.480 grappling with you know, you know who didn't Donald Donald Trump, 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:30.960 Donald Trump, Donald Trump real Trump. Um. I hope that 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.960 we talk as nicely about him when he dies. Yeah, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.840 I'm just gonna read it because it's funny. They both suck. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.640 He Yeah, No, when he dies will be like, thank goodness, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.160 you eat ship dead man. Um, when he dies, I've 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.240 already planned that. I'm going to tweet Ding Dong the 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.760 witch is dead. I've thought about that for several years now. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.479 I'll do that for all of them. I was just 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.120 going through. Um. So Powell, you know, fought in Vietnam, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.839 was an infantryman. We have like his his his diaries 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.240 kind of his notes that he took on a daily basis, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.720 and every day it's like I went to village, burned crops, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.839 shot insurgents. Uh. You know. He talks about how the 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.000 helicopters would like anytime they saw a man dressed in 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.400 a certain way, shoot near him, and if he moved, 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.800 it was evidence that he was he was viet Cong, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.760 so they would just kill him. Um. They would steal 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.960 food from villages and then destroy the rest of the 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.400 food in order to like starve the villages. Out and 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.760 you know, presumably stopped them from providing food to the 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.680 Viet Cong um. And then he played a fairly minor 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.080 but not insignificant role in trying to cover up the 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:39.720 Mylime Massacre after repeatedly executing and starving civilians as part 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.680 of one of the cruelest warfare strategies in the history 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.200 of US conflict. And then as a as a big boy, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.719 as a big man, big old, big old man, he 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.360 got up in front of the United Nations and was like, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.479 there's no, this isn't a this isn't a debate, There's no, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.479 this is objective facts. Adam Hussein has has all these 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.279 w m d s. We gotta we gotta go in 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.880 and stop him. I'm Colin Powell. You can trust me. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.279 I'm not one of these crazy neocon nut fox And 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.520 then it turns out he was. So I'm gonna talk 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.000 a little bit about what I was hearing today. I 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:19.080 think it was it's frustrating hearing uh, the journalistic media 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:26.280 presentation of this same story. Um, you know, they of 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.920 how he struggled and and and fought against and pushed 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.000 back and was trying to be the voice of reason 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:38.320 to George Bush and delay this, but ultimately he did it. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.280 He was told to go stand up there specifically because 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.000 the world trusted him for whatever reason, and they didn't 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.960 trust Dick Cheney, you know, so they had him go 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.320 and convince people. And he's he knew what he was doing. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.839 He knew what he was doing at the time. So 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.440 regardless of whether or not you want to frame him 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.640 as trying to be the voice of reason, he wasn't. 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.720 And he's complicit. Yeah, they all knew what they were doing. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:14.160 I think it was interesting, this whole Powell doctrine thing. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:21.880 Do you know about this? It's so funny. Uh, not funny, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.520 it's horrifying. The Powell doctrine being what he uh learned 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.280 from Vietnam, being that you can only should only go 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.480 We shouldn't go into open ended wars. You should only 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.880 go for a really solid reason, but then also come 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.520 in with enough might to get done quickly and leave 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.679 and end endless wars. And then fast forward a number 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.240 of years later to the war which he is directly 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.320 responsible for. Have the consequences of our actions. Yeah, for 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.640 a little bit of clarity, Like the Powell doctrine, it's 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.360 it's a list of questions that you should have to 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.760 answer if you're going to, like if you the United 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.880 States are going to send troops in somewhere. Question one 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.200 is is a vital national security interest threatened? Question two 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.000 is do we have a clear attainable objective? Question three 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.240 is have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed? 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:17.120 Question four is have all other nonviolent policy means fully exhausted? 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.640 Question five is is there a plausible exit strategy to 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.480 avoid endless entanglement? Question six? Have the consequences of our 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.440 action been fully considered? Sections? Question seven is the action 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.200 supported by the American people? In question eight, do we 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.040 have genuine, broad international support? And that was involved, you know, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.679 in Vietnam whatever. He was involved in some shitty stuff, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.480 but he was more or less just a dude on 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.360 the ground, right, didn't have any kind of leadership role 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.080 at a significant level in that conflict. He did have 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.480 a major leadership role in the invasion of Panama, which 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.960 killed more civilians, uh than Noriega had killed during his 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.719 time in power um and then had been killed by 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.320 his military. The vast majority of people who died in 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.240 the Panamanian invasion where civilians killed by US troops during 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.320 indiscriminate bombing. UM. Again, question number six is have the 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.600 consequences of our action been fully considered? Uh? Yeah. He 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.599 was also um the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:17.240 Staff during the Desert Storm invasion. UM. And Uh, that's 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.240 generally seen as like the good war that we had 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.040 because it was over real quick. Not a lot of 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.760 people died from an American perspective. Well, that's when he 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.880 got the Everybody was like, oh, Colin Powell, this guy 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.600 knows what's up. Yeah. But one of the things he 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.320 orchestrated during that was a bombing campaign that completely destroyed 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.520 Iraq's civilian infrastructure, which led to tens of thousands of 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.520 people dying because they didn't have clean drinking water or 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.440 access to food. Um. Was a direct violation of the 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:50.199 Geneva Convention. We didn't like. We we like again, it 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.360 was it was a good war because not a lot 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.480 of Americans died and we were out quickly. And you 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.320 could say, in fairness when you're asking like, does do 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.480 we have a clear attainable objective? Like Desert Store in 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.160 Panama were both examples of yeah, I mean we did. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.360 You can argue that it was like criminal to go 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:06.960 in there in the first place. But the objectives in 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.599 both cases were clear and there was a clear to 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.520 find end date. So in that case they were better 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:16.040 conflicts than anything that's come since. UM. But it still 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.400 is this situation where, at no point, in any of 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 the numerous conflicts that Powell had a leadership position during 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.640 where the consequences of military action fully considered, at no 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:33.480 point was Number six ever ever seriously asked or answered well, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.320 I was answered by like the actions taken? Yeah, yeah, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.760 I mean yes. It turns out I've seen a lot 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:46.000 of people talking about how he uh in the years 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.920 since you know, nine eleven and and her invasion, the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.400 never ending more and et cetera, how he has admitted 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.840 that the intelligence was false UM, and admitted and under 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.520 did his role, but also backed off from it, saying, well, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.320 I'm gonna I'm doing what the president says. What am 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.559 I supposed to be at the end of the day, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:13.760 you know, like he's a warrior. But it's like he 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.920 and he bemoaned UH in different interviews, like I know 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.520 this is going to be the first line of my obituary. Um. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.880 And there's almost like this bitterness as if he didn't 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:29.120 deserve it, he does deserve it exactly what he deserves. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.480 And it's appropriate that, Yes, it is the first line 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:38.000 of his obituary, of every article, and it should be. Um. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.760 I guess there is a degree to which it's frustrating that, like, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.079 of all of the crimes against humanity committed by individuals 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.280 in the Bush administration and by the administration collectively, like 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:53.240 he's getting slammed for it, um harder than perhaps some 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.040 others have gotten slammed for it. Um. Because he was 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.760 the guy up in front of the UN making that argument. Um, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.520 but I don't know. And it's also the guy that 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.040 got in and to make that argue. He's the guy 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:10.760 who let not the one the only person that we blame. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.120 But yeah, you know, and he's convinced us and you 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:19.760 convinced the world. Yeah. And he's the one who at 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.200 least tacitly admit we made a lot of mistakes, um, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.320 which is like proof that he could have known that 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.880 he could have been should have known at the time. Um, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.800 and he didn't. Uh. And it's it's of him. Well, 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.560 if I don't want to go to war, but if 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.959 we are going to we'll go to war, then I'm 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.600 the one that should do it. Yeah, and that's dumb. Um. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.560 A lot of a lot of soldiers throughout history have 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.559 had that opinion, um, and their names in a number 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.760 of cases where the German general staff in World War Two, Um, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.000 and you know what we call those people now, fucking Nazis. Um. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.599 That's always yeah, part of it, part of the argument, right, Yeah, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.360 I have no It's one of those things. I I 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.520 would be willing to bet if you met Colin Powell, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.880 all of the things being equal, you would have liked him. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.480 He seems like a thoroughly pleasant, likable human being who 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.640 was who was nice and considerate in his personal life 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.040 to to the people who were in it. He was 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.920 good at charming people. Um. A lot of journalists who 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.120 are very critical of of the Bush administration and talk 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.440 to him liked him quite a lot. Um. You'll find 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.640 a lot of cases of that. And that that doesn't 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.640 matter because a lot of the most charming people in 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.040 the history of the world have been war criminals. Because 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.720 you can be a very nice person and a fucking monster. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.480 And in fact, it's more normal for monsters to be 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.080 extremely nice, pleasant people than it is for them to 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.199 be like howling. Yeah, Trump is a little bit of 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.360 an anomaly. Most of them are very pleasant. You would 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.400 you would probably all other things being cool, like George W. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.480 Bush if you got to know him, because the reason 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.200 he got to be George W. Bush is he's charming. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.440 This ality of brutality, yeah, how it's how you really 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.960 get it done. It's one of the reasons Trump wasn't 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.760 able to do as much as he probably wanted to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:23.760 because he's he's violent, like really unpleasant, like yeah, just unpleasant. Pas. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.320 Look at the Trump administration obviously committed certainly at least 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.800 its fair share of crimes against humanity. Um And but 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.520 there were constant leaks, right, constant backfighting and people like 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.680 selling each other and selling the administration out. That ship 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.120 didn't happen to George W. Bush. You know why, because 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.400 he inspired loyalty. Because he's a very pleasant person to 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.560 hang out with. People tend to like him. But if 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.400 if you're if you're leader is like a paranoid freak. Yeah, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.960 like that vicious to everybody around him, no matter who. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.040 Um And, Yeah, that's gonna not only are people not 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.600 gonna like that, but it's gonna rub off on other people, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.560 and this is going to create a culture where everyone 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.360 is a paranoid freak. Yeah. I I think if you 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.520 really under want to understand how what evil people are, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.960 like truly evil people, not just people who do bad things, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.120 but but but the real monsters amongst the folks who 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.200 most deserve that term. Um, The Act of Killing is 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.400 still like the best documentary for that because it features 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.640 a journalist hanging out with these people who in some 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.880 cases strangled thousands of human beings, like with machines on 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.880 their own, and uh, you could that most of them 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.920 are very nice people. M M. Yeah, it's uh yeah, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.400 it's uh, I mean content warning. I guess it's fucking 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.120 hard to watch. Yeah, it's it. It should be hard 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.120 to watch. But that's that's the reality of of the 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.080 most damn in a lot of cases, the most dangerous 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.040 kinds of evil is it's yeah, they're they're people you 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.680 would like in another context. Colin Powell, you probably could 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.800 have gotten along with. I bet he was an exceptional 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:10.640 dinner guest, right, And that's why like you get you know, uh, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.320 the marvelization sort of effect, like yeah, like you're not 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.040 if you're not performatively a villain, then people aren't going 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.960 to assume that things you're doing are villainous. Yeah, but 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.040 if you are and you live in a golden tower, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.360 then maybe people will be the more suspicious of your actions. Yeah, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.760 and that Cody is why. The best depiction of a 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.960 villain an American pop culture is Homer's boss from Heck 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.960 Scorpio from that that episode one of the absolute classic. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:43.480 Um yeah, uh, he's so likable, he's so charming, it's amazing. Um, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.800 he is a literal super villain. Um. And even then 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.200 after watching it, like Hank's all right, Yeah, I don't 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.760 have a problem with Hank. You know what, I don't 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.280 have a problem with Yeah, I don't have a problem 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.680 with them at all. I love products and services. You 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.480 can't tell which I love more, but they're both great. Well, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.440 you don't have to compete. It's not a competition. You 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.720 don't have to What is this the Communist? Yes, I 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.080 haven't seen the show, so I'm just going to react 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:38.440 really neutrally adds together everything and now we're back already, Yeah, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.560 we're we're back, and we're I don't know, I had 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.679 enough of a rant on Colon Powell. I figure I 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.240 don't know. You know, one of the fair criticisms people 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.399 could have of Behind the Bastards is that I have 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.119 not really delved into the Bush administration in much of 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.440 any detail. And some of it's just because, like I 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.840 think everybody knows more or less what they did. Blow 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.240 is a great podcast if you want to really granular 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:03.800 look at it. But some of it's that just like 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.600 it all makes me so fucking angry because I've spent 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.880 a lot of time in the middle of the ship 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.600 that they kicked up, and it I'm just bad at 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:18.200 talking about it without like extremely it's extremely personal for you, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.720 for all of us, because we're a child doing it. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.639 It was the it was the war crimes that my 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.280 parents like enthusiastically supported, um and it's a big part 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.879 of your career. Yeah, it's just I don't know, one 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.600 of those days we will, like I should like knowing 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.080 what was going on even when it was happening, and 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.120 like I didn't. I was like a dumb right wing 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.760 ship head, Like I said, I probably would have been. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.960 That kind of feels like a different project than Behind 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.840 the Bastards its own little So that's walking an arc 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.640 that walks through your experience of it. I don't know, 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.160 as we can. I can pitch you on your own life. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.240 I don't want to. I wouldn't want to center my 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.040 life experience, but you can war but you can talk 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.960 about the shift and like you can talk about there's 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.320 a lot through that lens. That's that's all that's interesting 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.480 to hear. There's a lot to say. Um, But I 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.000 don't know. I'm just gonna I'm just chilling out this 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.760 week and having a fun read about all of the 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.359 kids who got molested by the Boy Scouts, Like a 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:25.400 hundred thousand Cody, It's outrageous. That's so fu Yeah, it's 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:30.320 it's it's out of its mind. It's like Catholic church number. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.400 That's like, so that's such a large number that, yeah, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:38.680 it's it's it's like database of all this um. It's yeah, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.440 actually kind of The Boy Scouts started keeping one in 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.360 nineteen twenty called I think it was the p Files 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.440 for Perfect files of like people who weren't supposed to 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.520 be allowed to be Scout masters again because they've molested 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.240 kids and gotten fired, but like a huge number of 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.320 them got in again and again, and the Boy Scouts 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.159 have this whole policy of like, well, we're never going 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.080 to call the cops about this, like we'll just try 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.720 to not hire them again. In but also when every 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.280 other youth organization in the country starting A five starts 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.640 requiring criminal background checks for their employees, which is literally 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:14.280 the minimum, they fought like relentlessly against the idea UM 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.760 and as a result, repeatedly hired convicted child molesters. No 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.919 it doesn't um. Yeah, anyway, a little preview of an 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.920 upcoming behind the Bastard Building the Leaders of Tomorrow. Yeah, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.560 unfortunately because like literally like more than a quarter of 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.320 Congress people were Boy Scouts. Uh, it's like huge. I 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.320 mean I was a boy Scout. I loved the Boy Scouts. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.800 A great time in the Boy Scouts had an okay time. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.400 It's one of those things when I when I talked 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.720 to like my parents about like like my dad was 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.800 Catholic and so I talked about like the crimes of 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.919 the Catholic Church and he's like, like, I get it. 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.159 I know it happened, but like I was an altar 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.000 boy and like nothing ever happened. And I can get 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.639 that because like, yeah, I was in the Boy Scouts 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.240 for a long time and it was great for me, 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.080 And I don't think I or anyone in my troop 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.040 was molested, but like a hundred thousand kids were. So 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.280 it's just like thing, it's this, it's it's yeah, and 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.760 it's it's the thing that um is so morally complicated 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.960 about it. It's just like squaring like, well, this was 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.760 great for me, it was also a nightmare. Like on 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.720 the whole seemed to hold both truths in their mind 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.280 that just because I had this experience doesn't mean someone 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.560 else has a bad experience. And it's my job to 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.240 listen and hear what other people share their experiences. And 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.240 it could have happened to me, Yeah, it sure could have. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.960 I was alone a lot with a bunch of dudes 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.239 that my parents decided to trust me with because they 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.080 were boy Scots, and it turned out they were all fine. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.800 But who knows, you know, happened to a lot of kids. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.560 The P files, the P files, Yeah, something like that. Um, 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.840 it's bleak. And there's a lot of weird ship about 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.720 Robert Baden Powell, uh uh, and some stuff he said 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.080 about kids, although I don't think he was a child molester, 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.919 but he definitely said some messy stuff. Maybe not but uh, 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.000 I think he was sexually attracted to boys. I don't 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.400 think he ever had sex with any boys. Yeah, it's 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.600 he was. He was a weird one. UM. There's a 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.520 lot to say. Again, we're gonna We're about to do 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.960 an episode this week. It's going to be a fun 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.560 time for everybody. Robert's really looking forward to that. UM. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.200 What should we talk about now? Guys talk about some strikes? 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:39.840 IATs yeahs YATSI. UM. So you might have seen in 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:44.400 social media that the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:50.960 UM producers have reached a tentative contract deal with the 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:56.240 IoTs leadership. UM, and there there was some celebrating because 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.040 you know, otherwise this strike would have begun a gun 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:04.320 yesterday Monday. UM. But the reaction is very very mixed, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.199 and so the jury is still out on this. It 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.240 seems to be a little bit of a clusterfuck of 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.399 a situation here. UM. Part of the problem being that 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.760 this is you know, I mean, the amazing thing about 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.800 this is that it's a industry. Why strike, you know, 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.200 what would have would have been or could be. UM. 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.119 So there's a lot that needs to get incorporated into 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.680 this deal. And I think that there were some things 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.760 that were meant and there was a lot that has 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:36.399 not been met, and the prevailing feeling that I'm getting 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.080 from my social media feeds. But I shouldn't say in 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.240 general because I don't know. I'm not a member. Um Uh. 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:48.639 It seems to be disappointment and frustration at giving in 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:53.040 too soon during a once in a lifetime opportunity when 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:57.199 you have the world's attention. Um. And it seems like 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.280 like that might be true. Yeah, I'm going to read 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:06.320 a quote from Max schwartz Um, a studio electrical lighting 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.800 technician and the local seven to eight Young Workers Committee 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:15.520 co chair. UM. He wrote the statement, while people may 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.000 argue that this is a historic victory, and for some 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.399 locals like eight seven one, it is, it feels to 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.680 live up to the situation before us, never again in history, 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.239 while our union have the leverage against mega corporations like 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:30.200 it has now to create deep sustainable structural change. UM 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:34.360