1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't don't Welcome to the Worst 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: Year Ever. They'll get no, we won't. Everyone's gonna die, die, Die, Die, 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Die Die. Not I went into or not Betty White's 5 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: gonna die. You did, That's easy. It's a lot of 6 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: people go from our theme song into the Boxer. It's 7 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: it's just a natural connection. Look, everybody does Simon and Garfunkele, 8 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Simon and Garfunkele. Betty White's gonna die like soon. Sorry, 9 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I eventually, Oh, look, this isn't news. This isn't me trying. 10 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: I just see. I mean at least not at least 11 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: once a week, but often enough for me to say that, Um, 12 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, there's some poised post about somebody protect Betty 13 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: White this or that, and I'm like, gosh, she's almost 14 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: a hundred. She is nice. She's gonna die. It is 15 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: a miracle she's still around, and like, yes, be grateful 16 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: for every second you have with her. But it's she's 17 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna die. She should die like some breaking news alert. 18 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: You're just so sorry. I don't. We were talking about 19 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: how everybody was gonna die, die, die, to die, die 20 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: and this is something. Yeah, White's gonna die because she's 21 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: gonna die, going to die is Patrick's gonna feel really 22 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: bad at that, Katie. If it happens this week, at 23 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: the end of the world will just be the two 24 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: of them fighting over a volcano chess. But Donald Trump 25 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: is not going to die, but he's jealous of Colin Powell. Tye, Yah, Katie. 26 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: If Betty White dies this week, we need to have 27 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: a talk about your time traveling. I know, I know. Um, 28 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: I hope that does not happen. Say it every week 29 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: for me, it does. Do not at me, do not 30 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: at me, alight when she you can at me when 31 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: she dies. Fuck, we've been talking about this for too long, 32 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: speaking of do we want to talk about We'll get there. 33 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: We'll get there. We'll get there. How are you guys doing? Um? 34 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: You know I'm sad about Betty White potentially die. No, 35 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just need to say. The 36 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: point of me saying that is to enjoy every minute. 37 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: Do not live in the future, do not live in fear, 38 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: but be prepared. That's all. You don't need to pre emptively. 39 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: More so, enjoy every minute with like your loved ones. 40 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if you if she is your loved one, 41 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: then that people listening to the podcasts who are very 42 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: close friends with She's got a huge This is actually 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: going to be a surprise to you, Cody. But um, 44 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Betty White's family comprises a huge subset of our listeners. Um, 45 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: she's got a huge family. I know you think that 46 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: she's kids. Rate review and tell us about your relationship 47 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: to Betty White. Still alive? She's still alive, Guys, when 48 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: she's found dead, police should look at Katie first. Oh god, 49 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: damn it. I've now sworn several times and it's three minutes. 50 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Should we Should we talk about Colin Powell? Should we 51 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: just dive in and talk about the deceased? Why not? 52 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: You know what? Why not? Yeah? He's dead as ship. 53 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: He sucks. I mean, that's the blunt summary of his career. 54 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: The long summary of his career is that he did 55 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of war crimes for I don't know, like 56 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: fifty issue years and then he died. I listened to 57 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: UM the Daily talking about Colin Powell when it was amazing. 58 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it really tried to paint a more sympathetic 59 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: picture of him. I guess is not amazing while still 60 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: grappling with you know, you know who didn't Donald Donald Trump, 61 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Donald Trump real Trump. Um. I hope that 62 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: we talk as nicely about him when he dies. Yeah, 63 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it because it's funny. They both suck. 64 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: He Yeah, No, when he dies will be like, thank goodness, 65 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: you eat ship dead man. Um, when he dies, I've 66 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: already planned that. I'm going to tweet Ding Dong the 67 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: witch is dead. I've thought about that for several years now. 68 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: I'll do that for all of them. I was just 69 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: going through. Um. So Powell, you know, fought in Vietnam, 70 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: was an infantryman. We have like his his his diaries 71 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of his notes that he took on a daily basis, 72 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: and every day it's like I went to village, burned crops, 73 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: shot insurgents. Uh. You know. He talks about how the 74 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: helicopters would like anytime they saw a man dressed in 75 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: a certain way, shoot near him, and if he moved, 76 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: it was evidence that he was he was viet Cong, 77 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: so they would just kill him. Um. They would steal 78 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: food from villages and then destroy the rest of the 79 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: food in order to like starve the villages. Out and 80 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, presumably stopped them from providing food to the 81 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: Viet Cong um. And then he played a fairly minor 82 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: but not insignificant role in trying to cover up the 83 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: Mylime Massacre after repeatedly executing and starving civilians as part 84 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: of one of the cruelest warfare strategies in the history 85 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: of US conflict. And then as a as a big boy, 86 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: as a big man, big old, big old man, he 87 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: got up in front of the United Nations and was like, 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: there's no, this isn't a this isn't a debate, There's no, 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: this is objective facts. Adam Hussein has has all these 90 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: w m d s. We gotta we gotta go in 91 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: and stop him. I'm Colin Powell. You can trust me. 92 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: I'm not one of these crazy neocon nut fox And 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: then it turns out he was. So I'm gonna talk 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about what I was hearing today. I 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: think it was it's frustrating hearing uh, the journalistic media 96 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: presentation of this same story. Um, you know, they of 97 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: how he struggled and and and fought against and pushed 98 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: back and was trying to be the voice of reason 99 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: to George Bush and delay this, but ultimately he did it. 100 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: He was told to go stand up there specifically because 101 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: the world trusted him for whatever reason, and they didn't 102 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: trust Dick Cheney, you know, so they had him go 103 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: and convince people. And he's he knew what he was doing. 104 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing at the time. So 105 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not you want to frame him 106 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: as trying to be the voice of reason, he wasn't. 107 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: And he's complicit. Yeah, they all knew what they were doing. 108 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I think it was interesting, this whole Powell doctrine thing. 109 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Do you know about this? It's so funny. Uh, not funny, 110 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: it's horrifying. The Powell doctrine being what he uh learned 111 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: from Vietnam, being that you can only should only go 112 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: We shouldn't go into open ended wars. You should only 113 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: go for a really solid reason, but then also come 114 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: in with enough might to get done quickly and leave 115 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: and end endless wars. And then fast forward a number 116 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: of years later to the war which he is directly 117 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: responsible for. Have the consequences of our actions. Yeah, for 118 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of clarity, Like the Powell doctrine, it's 119 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: it's a list of questions that you should have to 120 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: answer if you're going to, like if you the United 121 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: States are going to send troops in somewhere. Question one 122 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: is is a vital national security interest threatened? Question two 123 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: is do we have a clear attainable objective? Question three 124 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: is have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed? 125 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: Question four is have all other nonviolent policy means fully exhausted? 126 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: Question five is is there a plausible exit strategy to 127 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: avoid endless entanglement? Question six? Have the consequences of our 128 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: action been fully considered? Sections? Question seven is the action 129 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: supported by the American people? In question eight, do we 130 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: have genuine, broad international support? And that was involved, you know, 131 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: in Vietnam whatever. He was involved in some shitty stuff, 132 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: but he was more or less just a dude on 133 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the ground, right, didn't have any kind of leadership role 134 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: at a significant level in that conflict. He did have 135 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: a major leadership role in the invasion of Panama, which 136 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: killed more civilians, uh than Noriega had killed during his 137 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: time in power um and then had been killed by 138 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: his military. The vast majority of people who died in 139 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: the Panamanian invasion where civilians killed by US troops during 140 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: indiscriminate bombing. UM. Again, question number six is have the 141 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: consequences of our action been fully considered? Uh? Yeah. He 142 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: was also um the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of 143 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: Staff during the Desert Storm invasion. UM. And Uh, that's 144 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: generally seen as like the good war that we had 145 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: because it was over real quick. Not a lot of 146 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: people died from an American perspective. Well, that's when he 147 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: got the Everybody was like, oh, Colin Powell, this guy 148 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: knows what's up. Yeah. But one of the things he 149 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: orchestrated during that was a bombing campaign that completely destroyed 150 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Iraq's civilian infrastructure, which led to tens of thousands of 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: people dying because they didn't have clean drinking water or 152 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: access to food. Um. Was a direct violation of the 153 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: Geneva Convention. We didn't like. We we like again, it 154 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: was it was a good war because not a lot 155 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: of Americans died and we were out quickly. And you 156 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: could say, in fairness when you're asking like, does do 157 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: we have a clear attainable objective? Like Desert Store in 158 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: Panama were both examples of yeah, I mean we did. 159 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: You can argue that it was like criminal to go 160 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: in there in the first place. But the objectives in 161 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: both cases were clear and there was a clear to 162 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: find end date. So in that case they were better 163 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: conflicts than anything that's come since. UM. But it still 164 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: is this situation where, at no point, in any of 165 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: the numerous conflicts that Powell had a leadership position during 166 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: where the consequences of military action fully considered, at no 167 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: point was Number six ever ever seriously asked or answered well, 168 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: I was answered by like the actions taken? Yeah, yeah, 169 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean yes. It turns out I've seen a lot 170 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: of people talking about how he uh in the years 171 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: since you know, nine eleven and and her invasion, the 172 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: never ending more and et cetera, how he has admitted 173 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: that the intelligence was false UM, and admitted and under 174 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: did his role, but also backed off from it, saying, well, 175 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm doing what the president says. What am 176 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: I supposed to be at the end of the day, 177 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, like he's a warrior. But it's like he 178 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: and he bemoaned UH in different interviews, like I know 179 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: this is going to be the first line of my obituary. Um. 180 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: And there's almost like this bitterness as if he didn't 181 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: deserve it, he does deserve it exactly what he deserves. 182 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: And it's appropriate that, Yes, it is the first line 183 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: of his obituary, of every article, and it should be. Um. 184 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: I guess there is a degree to which it's frustrating that, like, 185 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: of all of the crimes against humanity committed by individuals 186 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: in the Bush administration and by the administration collectively, like 187 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: he's getting slammed for it, um harder than perhaps some 188 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: others have gotten slammed for it. Um. Because he was 189 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the guy up in front of the UN making that argument. Um, 190 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: but I don't know. And it's also the guy that 191 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: got in and to make that argue. He's the guy 192 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: who let not the one the only person that we blame. 193 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, and he's convinced us and you 194 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: convinced the world. Yeah. And he's the one who at 195 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: least tacitly admit we made a lot of mistakes, um, 196 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: which is like proof that he could have known that 197 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: he could have been should have known at the time. Um, 198 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: and he didn't. Uh. And it's it's of him. Well, 199 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: if I don't want to go to war, but if 200 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: we are going to we'll go to war, then I'm 201 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: the one that should do it. Yeah, and that's dumb. Um. 202 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of soldiers throughout history have 203 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: had that opinion, um, and their names in a number 204 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: of cases where the German general staff in World War Two, Um, 205 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: and you know what we call those people now, fucking Nazis. Um. 206 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: That's always yeah, part of it, part of the argument, right, Yeah, 207 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: I have no It's one of those things. I I 208 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: would be willing to bet if you met Colin Powell, 209 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: all of the things being equal, you would have liked him. 210 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: He seems like a thoroughly pleasant, likable human being who 211 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: was who was nice and considerate in his personal life 212 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: to to the people who were in it. He was 213 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: good at charming people. Um. A lot of journalists who 214 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: are very critical of of the Bush administration and talk 215 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: to him liked him quite a lot. Um. You'll find 216 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot of cases of that. And that that doesn't 217 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: matter because a lot of the most charming people in 218 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: the history of the world have been war criminals. Because 219 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: you can be a very nice person and a fucking monster. 220 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: And in fact, it's more normal for monsters to be 221 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: extremely nice, pleasant people than it is for them to 222 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: be like howling. Yeah, Trump is a little bit of 223 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: an anomaly. Most of them are very pleasant. You would 224 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: you would probably all other things being cool, like George W. 225 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: Bush if you got to know him, because the reason 226 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: he got to be George W. Bush is he's charming. 227 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: This ality of brutality, yeah, how it's how you really 228 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: get it done. It's one of the reasons Trump wasn't 229 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: able to do as much as he probably wanted to 230 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: because he's he's violent, like really unpleasant, like yeah, just unpleasant. Pas. 231 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Look at the Trump administration obviously committed certainly at least 232 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: its fair share of crimes against humanity. Um And but 233 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: there were constant leaks, right, constant backfighting and people like 234 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: selling each other and selling the administration out. That ship 235 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: didn't happen to George W. Bush. You know why, because 236 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: he inspired loyalty. Because he's a very pleasant person to 237 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: hang out with. People tend to like him. But if 238 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: if you're if you're leader is like a paranoid freak. Yeah, 239 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: like that vicious to everybody around him, no matter who. 240 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Um And, Yeah, that's gonna not only are people not 241 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna like that, but it's gonna rub off on other people, 242 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: and this is going to create a culture where everyone 243 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: is a paranoid freak. Yeah. I I think if you 244 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: really under want to understand how what evil people are, 245 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: like truly evil people, not just people who do bad things, 246 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: but but but the real monsters amongst the folks who 247 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: most deserve that term. Um, The Act of Killing is 248 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: still like the best documentary for that because it features 249 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: a journalist hanging out with these people who in some 250 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: cases strangled thousands of human beings, like with machines on 251 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: their own, and uh, you could that most of them 252 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: are very nice people. M M. Yeah, it's uh yeah, 253 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: it's uh, I mean content warning. I guess it's fucking 254 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: hard to watch. Yeah, it's it. It should be hard 255 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: to watch. But that's that's the reality of of the 256 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: most damn in a lot of cases, the most dangerous 257 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: kinds of evil is it's yeah, they're they're people you 258 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: would like in another context. Colin Powell, you probably could 259 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: have gotten along with. I bet he was an exceptional 260 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: dinner guest, right, And that's why like you get you know, uh, 261 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: the marvelization sort of effect, like yeah, like you're not 262 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: if you're not performatively a villain, then people aren't going 263 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: to assume that things you're doing are villainous. Yeah, but 264 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: if you are and you live in a golden tower, 265 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: then maybe people will be the more suspicious of your actions. Yeah, 266 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: and that Cody is why. The best depiction of a 267 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: villain an American pop culture is Homer's boss from Heck 268 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: Scorpio from that that episode one of the absolute classic. 269 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Um yeah, uh, he's so likable, he's so charming, it's amazing. Um, 270 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: he is a literal super villain. Um. And even then 271 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: after watching it, like Hank's all right, Yeah, I don't 272 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: have a problem with Hank. You know what, I don't 273 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: have a problem with Yeah, I don't have a problem 274 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: with them at all. I love products and services. You 275 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: can't tell which I love more, but they're both great. Well, 276 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: you don't have to compete. It's not a competition. You 277 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: don't have to What is this the Communist? Yes, I 278 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: haven't seen the show, so I'm just going to react 279 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: really neutrally adds together everything and now we're back already, Yeah, 280 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: we're we're back, and we're I don't know, I had 281 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: enough of a rant on Colon Powell. I figure I 282 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: don't know. You know, one of the fair criticisms people 283 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: could have of Behind the Bastards is that I have 284 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: not really delved into the Bush administration in much of 285 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: any detail. And some of it's just because, like I 286 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: think everybody knows more or less what they did. Blow 287 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: is a great podcast if you want to really granular 288 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: look at it. But some of it's that just like 289 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: it all makes me so fucking angry because I've spent 290 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time in the middle of the ship 291 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: that they kicked up, and it I'm just bad at 292 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: talking about it without like extremely it's extremely personal for you, 293 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: for all of us, because we're a child doing it. 294 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: It was the it was the war crimes that my 295 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: parents like enthusiastically supported, um and it's a big part 296 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: of your career. Yeah, it's just I don't know, one 297 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: of those days we will, like I should like knowing 298 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: what was going on even when it was happening, and 299 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: like I didn't. I was like a dumb right wing 300 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: ship head, Like I said, I probably would have been. 301 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: That kind of feels like a different project than Behind 302 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: the Bastards its own little So that's walking an arc 303 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: that walks through your experience of it. I don't know, 304 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: as we can. I can pitch you on your own life. 305 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I wouldn't want to center my 306 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: life experience, but you can war but you can talk 307 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: about the shift and like you can talk about there's 308 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot through that lens. That's that's all that's interesting 309 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: to hear. There's a lot to say. Um, But I 310 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just gonna I'm just chilling out this 311 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: week and having a fun read about all of the 312 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: kids who got molested by the Boy Scouts, Like a 313 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand Cody, It's outrageous. That's so fu Yeah, it's 314 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: it's it's out of its mind. It's like Catholic church number. 315 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: That's like, so that's such a large number that, yeah, 316 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like database of all this um. It's yeah, 317 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: actually kind of The Boy Scouts started keeping one in 318 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty called I think it was the p Files 319 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: for Perfect files of like people who weren't supposed to 320 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: be allowed to be Scout masters again because they've molested 321 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: kids and gotten fired, but like a huge number of 322 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: them got in again and again, and the Boy Scouts 323 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: have this whole policy of like, well, we're never going 324 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: to call the cops about this, like we'll just try 325 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: to not hire them again. In but also when every 326 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: other youth organization in the country starting A five starts 327 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: requiring criminal background checks for their employees, which is literally 328 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the minimum, they fought like relentlessly against the idea UM 329 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: and as a result, repeatedly hired convicted child molesters. No 330 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: it doesn't um. Yeah, anyway, a little preview of an 331 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: upcoming behind the Bastard Building the Leaders of Tomorrow. Yeah, 332 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately because like literally like more than a quarter of 333 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Congress people were Boy Scouts. Uh, it's like huge. I 334 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: mean I was a boy Scout. I loved the Boy Scouts. 335 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: A great time in the Boy Scouts had an okay time. 336 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: It's one of those things when I when I talked 337 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: to like my parents about like like my dad was 338 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: Catholic and so I talked about like the crimes of 339 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church and he's like, like, I get it. 340 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: I know it happened, but like I was an altar 341 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: boy and like nothing ever happened. And I can get 342 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: that because like, yeah, I was in the Boy Scouts 343 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: for a long time and it was great for me, 344 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: And I don't think I or anyone in my troop 345 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: was molested, but like a hundred thousand kids were. So 346 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: it's just like thing, it's this, it's it's yeah, and 347 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: it's it's the thing that um is so morally complicated 348 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: about it. It's just like squaring like, well, this was 349 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: great for me, it was also a nightmare. Like on 350 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: the whole seemed to hold both truths in their mind 351 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: that just because I had this experience doesn't mean someone 352 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: else has a bad experience. And it's my job to 353 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: listen and hear what other people share their experiences. And 354 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: it could have happened to me, Yeah, it sure could have. 355 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: I was alone a lot with a bunch of dudes 356 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 1: that my parents decided to trust me with because they 357 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: were boy Scots, and it turned out they were all fine. 358 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: But who knows, you know, happened to a lot of kids. 359 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: The P files, the P files, Yeah, something like that. Um, 360 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: it's bleak. And there's a lot of weird ship about 361 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Robert Baden Powell, uh uh, and some stuff he said 362 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: about kids, although I don't think he was a child molester, 363 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: but he definitely said some messy stuff. Maybe not but uh, 364 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: I think he was sexually attracted to boys. I don't 365 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: think he ever had sex with any boys. Yeah, it's 366 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: he was. He was a weird one. UM. There's a 367 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: lot to say. Again, we're gonna We're about to do 368 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: an episode this week. It's going to be a fun 369 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: time for everybody. Robert's really looking forward to that. UM. 370 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: What should we talk about now? Guys talk about some strikes? 371 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: IATs yeahs YATSI. UM. So you might have seen in 372 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: social media that the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television 373 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: UM producers have reached a tentative contract deal with the 374 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: IoTs leadership. UM, and there there was some celebrating because 375 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, otherwise this strike would have begun a gun 376 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: yesterday Monday. UM. But the reaction is very very mixed, 377 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: and so the jury is still out on this. It 378 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: seems to be a little bit of a clusterfuck of 379 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: a situation here. UM. Part of the problem being that 380 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: this is you know, I mean, the amazing thing about 381 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: this is that it's a industry. Why strike, you know, 382 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: what would have would have been or could be. UM. 383 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: So there's a lot that needs to get incorporated into 384 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: this deal. And I think that there were some things 385 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: that were meant and there was a lot that has 386 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: not been met, and the prevailing feeling that I'm getting 387 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: from my social media feeds. But I shouldn't say in 388 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: general because I don't know. I'm not a member. Um Uh. 389 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: It seems to be disappointment and frustration at giving in 390 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: too soon during a once in a lifetime opportunity when 391 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: you have the world's attention. Um. And it seems like 392 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: like that might be true. Yeah, I'm going to read 393 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: a quote from Max schwartz Um, a studio electrical lighting 394 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: technician and the local seven to eight Young Workers Committee 395 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: co chair. UM. He wrote the statement, while people may 396 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: argue that this is a historic victory, and for some 397 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: locals like eight seven one, it is, it feels to 398 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: live up to the situation before us, never again in history, 399 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 1: while our union have the leverage against mega corporations like 400 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: it has now to create deep sustainable structural change. UM 401 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: yeah it so. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly where things 402 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: stand now, but I think that it goes back out 403 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: and people are gonna like talk about it individually within 404 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: their different chapters. I don't know, I hear there's a 405 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: lot of complaints still that it doesn't go far enough. 406 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: There's still like a lot of time people are going 407 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: to be required to do. There's some discussion I've seen online, uh, 408 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: particularly in comments on Naked Capitalism where people involved in 409 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: this and the John Dear strike or kind of chatting, 410 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: and there's discussion that maybe the success of the John 411 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Deere strike and the leverage they have is going to 412 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: inspire ayatsy folks to not accept the deal and push back. Yeah, 413 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean I want them to get everything they can 414 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: because for for fucking sure, the companies like the Disney 415 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: and whatnot are well right, and like also like now 416 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: is the time right, Like if except this literally the 417 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: only time, then yeah, because there's there's this there's clearly 418 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: this attempt where they're like, oh, you might not get 419 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: the Mandalorian in time to like rally the fans against 420 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: the people against the people without whom there's no content, 421 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: and they're trying to like UM and it's hard. It's tricky. 422 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: I understand that this is a daunting um position for 423 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: leaders to be in UM because a strike obviously would 424 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: fuck the student deos, but they are rich the people 425 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: that the strikers are not. These people are fighting for 426 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a living wage. And it is a precarious situation to 427 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: be putting everybody in Um, how long will we be 428 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: out of work? What's going to happen? Um? And so 429 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I understand that it's a really big cost benefit analysis, 430 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: but again, once in a lifetime, this is the moment. 431 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: This is the moment, and we kind of need people 432 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: to seize this moment. We need people to stand strong 433 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: right now and fight, fight, fight for the things that 434 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: are important. UM. And the fact that there are people, 435 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: uh that there communicating with these other industries and other 436 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: people on strike seems like a very good sign. Yeah, 437 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: that's the kind of organization that and create real power 438 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: for each movement. UM. I didn't realize that that's what 439 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: was going on. And that's very good. Yeah. I mean, 440 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see, but I do want my mandalawan ms. Look. 441 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think what's clear here is that Pedro Pascal, 442 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: if he really wants to support the struggle of people 443 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: to to liberate themselves, needs to just put out a 444 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: daily video during the strike where he just he just 445 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: he just reads stuff. I don't care what it is. 446 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Get your shirt off, maybe take your shirt off and 447 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: read stuff in front of web. Maybe take your shirt off, 448 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: maybe keep it off, maybe keep it off, reading like 449 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: a toylightsaber and go. Yeah, literally anything, just just just 450 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: move shirtless on camera for us. These are all great suggestions. Yeah, 451 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: hit hit Pedro up on Twitter, ask ask him to 452 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: support Yachtzi by um, just because it also it looks 453 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: so confining on him, you know, in l A's warm um. 454 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: So you know, even now, even in even in October, 455 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: even in October, take your shirt off, Pedro, Come on, 456 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: Pedro with enough sexual October, Pedro. We know that friend 457 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: of Betty White, Pedro Pascal is listening right now, so off, well, 458 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: they have to be friends because Betty White was on 459 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the community and Pedro Pascal was on the community zoom 460 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: thing where they read that one episode, and he took 461 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: over for that guy's role in the episode after there. 462 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: So there they got to bed. He read, uh what Shane, Yeah, yeah, 463 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: the the lawyer guy who was like reading Pierce's will. Yeah, 464 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: that's what That's what he thought. He must know Betty White. 465 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, alright, no, yeah, he definitely, he definitely does. 466 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think all celebrities know each other. 467 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Incredible news for all of you right now. Um, so 468 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: on our work email, we we get these these updates, 469 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: these inside radio updates that are about like just stuff 470 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: happening in the world of radio, because we're for I 471 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. And uh, the email I just got was 472 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, the title was external because it's from outside 473 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: the company. Dan Bongino on Cumulus. We're going to have 474 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: to come to an agreement quick, and it's about some 475 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: Dan stuff. I don't care because the stuff, yeah, it 476 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter because in my actual inbox, you know, it 477 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: doesn't display the whole title. You get a shortened version 478 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: on the title. And the shortened version of the title 479 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: is Dan Bongino oncome. Ah, it's so good, Dan Bongino oncome, 480 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: it's so good man, I am. That really just made 481 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: my week. All right, Well, that's going to do it 482 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: for us today from there, Yeah, as a society, I 483 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, no, I think we did it. We 484 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: can pack everything up right, Um, that's incredible the screenshot 485 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: at and then just like I'm literally tweeting it right now. Okay, well, 486 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we can end the show just yet, 487 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: but we can throw it an ad, break a brick 488 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: together everything, So don't don't. Okay, back and other news 489 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: just broke. That's not related to Dan Bongino on. Come, 490 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure that we I'm sure that we can find 491 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: the through line here together. Um yeah, Sophie. Sophie sent 492 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: us um this page six item of Kanye West Dawn's 493 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: bizarre mask. It's also like more I just want to clarify. 494 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: It's also in like more reputable sources. I'm sure, but 495 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: that's what. It's also in the Rolling Stones, Patrick said 496 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: the best photos. Sorry, it is an unbelievably disturbing mask. 497 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: It's true. What do they do? What are they doing? Guys? 498 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the mask that our friend Dave 499 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: Bell wore for forty eight straight hours while he was 500 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: playing the Alien Isolation video game in his bedroom. It does. 501 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: It is reminient, reminiscent of that. It is, Oh my god. Yeah, 502 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: it's fucked up. It's fucking weird. Like it's the kind 503 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: of okay, it's the kind of thing that like, okay, 504 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: Kanye walking on with his mask. I don't care why 505 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: if it's like an anxiety thing or like some art 506 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: bullshit whatever, Just exactly don't care. Fine, more power to you, 507 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: Love you buddy, keep wearing the mask around. It's very disturbing. 508 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't care what people meetings with Michael Cohen. What 509 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: what the fun Because he's Kanye West. He just does ship. 510 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: You shouldn't like what look he's like, he don't know, 511 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: he's like you, I want to it's probably political. No, 512 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe not maybe, No, he's he's Look, he's he's he's ill, right, 513 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: like he's been he's been committed before, like he's he's 514 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: he's ill. But he's one of the wealthiest people in 515 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: the world. So he's never going to get treated. He's 516 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: just gonna get enabled. And he's gradually pushed away the 517 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: people who did at one point try to like push 518 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: for him to get treated, and he's he's sick, but 519 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: he's he's rich and I because he's rich, and because 520 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: he's not ever going to like be in danger other 521 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: than you know, not taking care of his mental health, 522 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: but whatever purpose so that people would not recognize him 523 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: the first ten minutes we can get down to people 524 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: who wanted photos and to say hello. So he put 525 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: on this mask to give him someone. First off, I 526 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: don't know Kanye well, not a fan of his music 527 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: in particular, nothing against it. If I saw that walking 528 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: down the street, I met, well, that's Kanye West. That's 529 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: clearly Kanye West are more conspicuous. But Robert, that is 530 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: a really important thing. That you said that he's not well. 531 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: We have to all that doesn't mean what you guys doing. Yeah, 532 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: he's not well. He's not well, and he like that 533 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: should be the beginning of every conversation about on a 534 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: Kanye West stunt. Can we can we talk about Michael 535 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Cohen roll good guy? When we suggested, when we suggest 536 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: to Cohen that maybe he should try wearing a mask 537 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: around town from our privacy, he jokingly fired back, I've 538 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: seen your face. Maybe you need a mask. What a man, 539 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: what a great man? Like some classic Trump ship Hell 540 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, same guy. Will say, the best thing about 541 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen is that he is responsible for the one 542 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: good joke Donald Trump ever told a legitimately exceptional joke, 543 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: which was it was when it was when Michael Cohen 544 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: like came out and like said that he was testifying 545 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: against Trump and started like doing his whole like throwing 546 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: trumpet of the bus thing, and Trump just tweeted, I 547 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: wrongly recommend that you not enlist the legal representation of 548 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen's actually very funny. It was a good joke occasionally. Yeah, Well, 549 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: the thing is, it's not even occasionally. It's just he's 550 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: just a funny He's funny. He's the funniest president will 551 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: ever have. There's no his Statementwell, it's hysterically like I 552 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: don't want him back, and if it would be, it 553 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: would be really nice if he redacted soon. But like, yeah, 554 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, but usually it's he's funny because he's 555 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: just a goober. And that was actually telling a joke. 556 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: He's not being an alien man who like he was 557 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: actually like that was actually just a very well constructed 558 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: joke that he told on the Twitter dot com. Um, oh, well, 559 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: we've really come around on Donald Trump here today, haven't look. 560 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I fairer not If a man tells a good joke, 561 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to give him credit for it. I spent 562 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: too long in the comedy world to not not not 563 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: do that. And you call it like you see him 564 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: call him like a sea calling balls and strikes a 565 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: sticker or you know, nie slapper. There's the two the 566 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: two options. Um, why is this the second meeting they've 567 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: had together? I don't know. Like who again, who the 568 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: fuck knows? Like they could be putting together an album, 569 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: like they could be about to drop a Michael Cohen 570 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: Kanye West joint. Nothing would surprise me, truly, could be 571 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: anything they say. Real estate, sure, yeah, of course if 572 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: you're West, Michael Cool real estate scummy lawyers, yes, if 573 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: i'm If I'm billionaire Kanye West, the guy I'm going 574 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: to for my real estate questions is disgrace lawyer Michael Estate. 575 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: Know they're they're making a book or some something. Maybe 576 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: they're launching a podcast. We don't listen, but I definitely listen. 577 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: You would definitely right now. Yeah, I only listen to 578 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: one podcast. It's fine. What's the podcast you listen to? Oh? 579 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: And why is it? Come Town? It's called Rude Tales 580 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 1: of Magic. It's incredible. Oh oh on on the Small 581 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: Beans network. Right, No, it's a it's a it's a 582 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: D and D podcast with Branson Reese, comic artists. Funny. 583 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: This isn't like I wasn't intending to like plug this 584 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: this show, but if you want to go to their Patreon, 585 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: it's amazing. It's the only podcast I listened to and 586 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: to us from. Yeah, no, you don't I know for 587 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: a fact that you don't. Cody has never listened to 588 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: any of our podcasts the time. I don't listen to 589 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: my pod. I've said it, it's been said. I listened 590 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: to Knowledge Fight and uh, I listened to my favorite podcast, 591 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: The Serial Vapists, which I downloaded seven years ago. What 592 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: it was about. Oh, it's a podcast about vape culture 593 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. It's hosted by four men who are 594 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: calling their podcast The Serial Vapists was a bad idea? Yeah, yeah, maybe? Wow? 595 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: Did you know that there was that New Zealand had 596 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: an official wizard? Yes? Yes, I was aware of that 597 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: because he had the job I wanted. Why don't they 598 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: have it anymore? Wait? Wait, so I have so Robert, 599 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: did you know about this before he uh was fired? Yes, 600 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: it's it's literally the only job I've ever actually wanted. 601 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain this to me. 602 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: They have a wizard, Katie. He's actually the city Wizard. 603 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistakes, He's the christ Church city Wizard. 604 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: What kind of wizarding does he dabble in? Well, whatever 605 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: wizarding he dabbles in, he also dabbles in some sexual harassment, 606 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: which is why he's no longer the Christ unpleasant. He's 607 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: not a nice man. Look, he's a wizard. Nobody expects 608 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: wizards to be nice. I didn't think that was a 609 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: thing that existed in real life. Is my confinusence only 610 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: once and only one place and not anymore, which is 611 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: the greatest tragedy in his job other than sexual harassment. 612 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: You know, he sometimes you needs some magic done. He's 613 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: gotta go. He's gotta they're they're opening them all or 614 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: something and they need some magic at them all. He 615 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: doesn't magic hat trick. He's like a communicator for like 616 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, but like he's like surgery. In Portland, 617 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: we have a guy who rides a unicycle that shoots 618 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: fire out of his bagpipes while he's on his unicycle, 619 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: which is layman sucks. Actually, I'm sorry, but that um 620 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: is more specific to me than the general term wizard. Okay, 621 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's very specific because there's only one city wizard. 622 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 1: But what's his job? Duty? And to be a wizard? 623 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: Katie what? Okay, when you're watching of the Rings Katy story, 624 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: when you're watching Lord of the Rings, are you thinking, 625 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: what is his job? What? Does Gandolf do? How does 626 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: he make his Moneyand I know has some specific skill 627 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: set which is magic. Yeah that's what the same with 628 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: the Wizard of christ Church. He does magic and he's 629 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: an asshole. Every wizard has the same job. They do 630 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: magic and they're a dick from Elminster to Gandolf, whatever 631 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: wizard you want to talk about their assholes and they 632 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: do magic. That's wizards. They're just assholes. Didn't we have 633 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah? We should. Actually that is literally 634 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: the no Welcome back part or maybe working title was 635 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: based off wid Yeah, it sure was. And fucking look, 636 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: Alan Moore, wizard, comic book writer, tried to end the 637 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: world with a spell, wove it into one of his 638 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: comic books. May have succeeded. You can't say he didn't 639 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: look at what's happening. We're watching it happen, right, Yeah. 640 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Who knows where all this came from. Maybe a wizards 641 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: job that lives inside of his soul, We don't know. 642 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: All I want is to be a city wizard or 643 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: a national wizard. I'd be the country's Well. I hear 644 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: that there's a job opening there in christ Church, called 645 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: me up. Just send a darn you call her up. 646 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: You're the wizard. I know she's read one of my articles. 647 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: So maybe I'll get to be a wizard. Yeah. Hell yeah. 648 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: You get an annual salary of grand that's enough. Pretty magical. Yeah, 649 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: that's enough for wizard stuff. Can you zoom into your 650 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: wizard duties? Um? No, but you can astral project, which 651 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: is like zoom. Yeah, I can call. I can call 652 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: it zoom. It's zoom but a little windier. Yeah. I 653 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: can project my voice. Do you mean like make a 654 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: phone call? No, anyway, I found out that there was 655 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: an official Wizard of New Zealand. It's very fun. Fired 656 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: and I just I had to bring it up. Imagine 657 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: getting fired from your job as a wizard. Unbelievable. It did. Yeah, 658 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: but it's gotta be like one of the easiest jobs 659 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: to keep. If you want to keep it, keep your mouth. 660 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: I mean, can you give me the enample of a 661 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: trick that the city wizard. I would say that what 662 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: we know of wizards suggests there's actually high turnover. For example, 663 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings trilogy takes place over a 664 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: roughly thirteen month period. We are introduced to two wizards, 665 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: half of whom are unemployed. By the end of the book. True, 666 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: and also one the other one makes a career change. 667 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: He does, he does, he does make a shift, He 668 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: switches jobs exactly. It's greater white. So yeah, a lot 669 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: of turnover, Robert. Yes, look, the job title alone is 670 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: worth the It's like being a journalist, you know. I mean, 671 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: I think that you're the wizard of my heart. So 672 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: there's that thank you, thank you. But I could try 673 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: to get that be my my job title. You could, 674 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: and you should, I think. Anyway, we're gonna have to 675 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: get Alan Moore on the podcast. Okay, yes please literally 676 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: my only dream. Yeah, absolutely, joke, but yes, no, he's 677 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful maniac. He should be the city Wizard of 678 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Christ or wherever he is. He's like the official Wizard 679 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: of wherever he is at that moment. Yeah, it's somewhere 680 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: in like the Midlands, I think, Yeah, the official Okay, 681 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to look into this some more, 682 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: but we can continue. We can continue this conversation. Sometimes 683 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: we have a steam here today. Well, I have more 684 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: to say about wizards. Well I always I have. We're 685 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: not going to talk about it, but I just want 686 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: to say, if you've been if you've watched if you're listening, 687 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: if you've watched squid Game, you need to know tempoole 688 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: and ah, some sort of contingent people on the on 689 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: on the internet seem to believe not only that it 690 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: doesn't really have a political message, but that if it did, 691 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: it's anti communism, and um, it is hilarious. It's embarrassing. Um, 692 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: it's very funny. I love it because I love for them. 693 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: We three of the people, three of the four people 694 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: in the zoom room have not seen squid Game. But 695 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: all of the people in the zoom room do are 696 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: know that it is in fact political. It's clearly it's 697 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: clearly is I mean, Yeah, there's a scene in which 698 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: a lady it expresses that she fled North Korea for 699 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: South Korea thinking capitalism would be better, and specifically does 700 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: not say that it's any better, like while she's death game. Yeah, 701 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: while she's a death game. The message of that scene 702 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: is not look at how much better capitalism is. It's 703 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: actually these these are both trash and like the people 704 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: of Korea deserve better than either of these systems. I 705 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: love when people don't understand blatant blatant, their purposely misunderstanding it. 706 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: I think some people. I think some people are purposely 707 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: misunderstanding it, Like there's no way Temple actually thinks that, Like, no, 708 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: I can't know, he doesn't think anything other than what 709 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: what is the thing I can say to get people 710 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: to tweet angrily and thus make more money? Exactly? It's 711 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: it's attention stuff and we're giving it to him now. 712 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: I just think it's so funny, like it's out there 713 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: and people some people do actually think that that this 714 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: is true, that people read too much into things and 715 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: like you're interpreting it when it's not there. Um, And 716 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: that's just like such a a sad sort of way 717 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: to watch art. Yeah, it's the reason that conservatism is 718 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: like so so fundamentally soulless and dead unless they're actively 719 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: physically trying to harm people, which is why that's the 720 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: only thing that like their street movements ever get excited 721 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: about is is assaulting, and what most of art is 722 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: about too. Yeah, it's just about all they have is 723 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: doing violence. Um, because they reject the idea that art 724 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 1: should be about anything actually meaningful, because inherently meaning, like 725 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: real artistic meaning, always runs against the things that they 726 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: believe about the universe. Because the universe they believe in 727 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: is is devoid of beauty. M hm. Yeah, unless it's 728 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: like pretty columns or paintings of landscapes. That's all that's 729 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: all it is to them. Yeah, Hitler shit, um yeah, yeah, 730 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: it's it was one of those like realizing as a kid, 731 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: oh wow, the only art uh that that like as 732 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: conservative as she was, My mom's very favorite movie was Alien, 733 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: and the message of Alien is pretty anti capitalist. Actually, 734 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: if you if you want to watch it, he's not. 735 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: Ridley Scott is not saying nothing about capitalism in Alien. 736 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: Oh god no, I mean that's that's the other That's 737 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: the fascinating thing too, because like you know, you see 738 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 1: it with like an Ian Miles Tahn word ever talking 739 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: about robo cop and like I bet you think political, yes, 740 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: Paul Vera Hooven, it was never not talking about the 741 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,479 Speaker 1: fact that the United States was a death cult. Yeah, 742 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just like and and there's you know, 743 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: maybe an argument to be made that like some things 744 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: these days are a little more on the nose and 745 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 1: more obvious. But yeah, I've seen people like candy Man, 746 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: the new the new version candy Man came out and 747 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they put their woke politics about gentrification 748 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: in this, and it's like, that's what it was about. 749 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: Like also, like the idea that putting politics and horror 750 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: movies is like, why are you doing this? Like that's 751 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: like the one of the most political genres in existence. Yes, political, 752 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean I my opinion on drowning kids 753 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: in the lake at Summer Camp was changed inevitably exactly 754 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: because of the art. I used to be very pro that. 755 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: I just go on a limb and say that art 756 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: has always been political. Well it's a it's like an 757 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: expression of like emotions and values and experiences. I mean, 758 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: it's not always political, but it's always But that's been 759 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: a part of art tangled up in it exactly. Um. 760 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: And it's just hilarious to look at something that is 761 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: like not just like wow, there's like a message in there, 762 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: but explicitly political, where even the creators out there talking 763 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: about how like, yeah, one of the characters was is 764 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of like Donald Trump, don't you think? Yeah? And 765 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: it's like, guys, come on, I I have to say 766 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: Tim Pool's take on on the squid Game is very funny, 767 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: um and and as dumb as you'd expect. But my 768 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 1: favorite is the guy who calculated that while they spent 769 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: like ten he spent the writer spent ten years writing it, 770 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 1: and the network spent twenty four million filming it, and 771 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: it made more than nine million dollars. But if the 772 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: writer had just bought fifteen thousand bitcoin in two thousand nine, 773 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: he would have made more problems content. It's just I 774 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: saw that that was I will say that was definitely 775 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: a troll. It has to be. It has you're talking about. 776 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: It is exactly the kind of thing someone would say. 777 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: It is, like you undis indistinguishable from reality, indistinguishable from 778 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: like an ironic crypto discussically yes, um, Like you know, 779 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: half the people that were that were responding that tweet 780 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you're right anyway, go watch the Good 781 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: Game and the then the Alien TV show that's political. 782 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: Now they're making Alien political. I can't believe it. Oh no, 783 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: they're making Alien a show about low paid truckers whose 784 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: lives are sacrificed for a tiny chance at profit by 785 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: faceless corporate executives who we never see in the movie 786 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,959 Speaker 1: um and who literally have a member of the crew 787 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: whose only job is to murder everybody if that is 788 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,359 Speaker 1: the most profitable outcome. Uh, that movie, they're they're, they're 789 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: they're putting politics in it. Coding is disgusting. I know 790 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: they're putting politics in the series, whose second movie was 791 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: fundamentally an allegory for the foolishness of the Vietnam War 792 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: and the uselessness of advanced military systems and budgets in 793 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: in fighting scumentation. I just watched, Uh, snow Piercer, a 794 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: movie about how public trans about trains, about nothing but trains, 795 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: and how trains are bad. Actually trains are bad. We 796 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: should just fly. Yes, the meaning of snow Piercer, I don't. Well, 797 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: someone hasn't watched snow Piercer. Then, well, it's about how 798 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,439 Speaker 1: trains are bad, trains are bad, and we should give 799 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: fish to the cops. Yeah, you're you're you followed. Yeah? Yeah. 800 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: Is this a culture podcast? Yeah, I mean once a 801 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: month culture cast, everybody comes and talks about the things 802 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: that they're watching. Everybody comes and ye, starting with Dan Bungino. 803 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: There we are back around, guys. You can check us 804 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: out online at Worst Year Pod. You can. And that's yeah, 805 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: that into that everything everything so dull. It's again. 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