1
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,760
Speaker 1: What still at the bottom of the ocean. My worst

2
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,280
Speaker 1: submersible in history. Uh, there we go. That was That

3
00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,120
Speaker 1: was That was nice. Huh that was good. Respectful of

4
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,600
Speaker 1: the sea.

5
00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,599
Speaker 2: Sure, it's the most submerged submersible in history.

6
00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,000
Speaker 1: Look in terms of being submerged. It did its job

7
00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,560
Speaker 1: with a plomp. Yeah, you know, it is under the

8
00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,800
Speaker 1: fucking water as hell. So none of these other submersibles

9
00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200
Speaker 1: lasted except for maybe the Curse. Yeah, but it's great,

10
00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,920
Speaker 1: the great moments.

11
00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,280
Speaker 2: It's like our top twenty submersible in terms of how

12
00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,040
Speaker 2: fucking underwater it is staying.

13
00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is super under the goddamn water. Oh Andrew,

14
00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,600
Speaker 1: how are we doing on this glorious week? Uh, you're

15
00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,560
Speaker 1: having a good one to enjoy the Monday.

16
00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, good, better than some folks. Let's just say,

17
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,320
Speaker 2: I guess worse than some other folks.

18
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,280
Speaker 1: Better than some folks. Yeah, yeah, middle Yeah, I'm feeling

19
00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:13,560
Speaker 1: better than both submersible rich people who love submersibles, and

20
00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling better than many members of the Russian government.

21
00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:16,800
Speaker 3: Exactly.

22
00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,560
Speaker 1: We had a little break for there to be a mutiny.

23
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm very happy there was a mutiny in Russia. You know,

24
00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,200
Speaker 1: outside of a variety of geopolitical reasons, primarily because like,

25
00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,600
Speaker 1: how long has it been since we've had a mutiny

26
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,520
Speaker 1: like in the news, like a real ass mutiny that

27
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,160
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen often anymore.

28
00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 3: Listen, maybe, listen to me.

29
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,039
Speaker 2: Russian Russian revolutions, robber barons, the nineteenth century into the

30
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,080
Speaker 2: twentieth centuries, back baby.

31
00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah, the Titanic's killing people again.

32
00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,640
Speaker 3: It's all coming back.

33
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,760
Speaker 1: History never changes, beautiful, beautiful. All we need now is

34
00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,000
Speaker 1: for European powers to get us into a disastrous conflict

35
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,920
Speaker 1: and forget that machine guns exist where we're kno going

36
00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,160
Speaker 1: to have everything off one by one.

37
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,440
Speaker 3: In that direction. Yeah.

38
00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,560
Speaker 1: So, speaking of easily predictable disasters with a high body count,

39
00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:23,080
Speaker 1: let's return to the story of Stocked and Rush. Yeah, good,

40
00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,359
Speaker 1: good ship. So in two thousand and nine, are our

41
00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,160
Speaker 1: boy stocked and founded ocean Gate Incorporated, which is both

42
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,600
Speaker 1: the funniest name he could have possibly picked for a

43
00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,600
Speaker 1: company that was about to become infamous for killing a

44
00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,920
Speaker 1: bunch of rich people. Really, yeah, the the goal, It

45
00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,160
Speaker 1: is quite a choice. Huh, Like, yeah, did you not

46
00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,519
Speaker 1: think about.

47
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 3: Why? Yeah?

48
00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,520
Speaker 1: My guess is because, like you know, it's your gateway

49
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: to the ocean and to deep sea exploration. But you

50
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,040
Speaker 1: are around in the nineties, Stockton, like, you know what,

51
00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,399
Speaker 1: we use that word more.

52
00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the full dame of the company should be

53
00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,080
Speaker 2: ocean gate parentheses gate like a door, not like that

54
00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:13,720
Speaker 2: kind of gate.

55
00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 1: Never mind, it's going to be fine getting no, no, no,

56
00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,680
Speaker 1: like not like a watergate thing.

57
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

58
00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,160
Speaker 1: I would have called it, yeah, absolutely safe Submersibles Incorporated,

59
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,640
Speaker 1: but he didn't. So the goal of the company was

60
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,160
Speaker 1: to deliver manned submersible solutions to the private market. Now,

61
00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,560
Speaker 1: because Stockton did not yet know how to design submarines

62
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,560
Speaker 1: or submersibles, we are using the word interchangeably as regular people,

63
00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,560
Speaker 1: but they are two different things, right. Submersible needs needs

64
00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,040
Speaker 1: a bigger boat that takes it around to places. A

65
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 1: submarine is a boat in and of itself. I think

66
00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 1: that's more or less accurate. So, since he didn't really

67
00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,920
Speaker 1: know how to make either subs or submersibles, he and

68
00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,600
Speaker 1: his partner bought two functional subs and started kind of

69
00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,440
Speaker 1: like hacking them, which makes sense right. Their goal was

70
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,760
Speaker 1: like to to have, you know, kind of figure out

71
00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 1: the basics so that they could eventually build a multi

72
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,360
Speaker 1: person submersible that could handle four thousand meters.

73
00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,760
Speaker 3: Of that he's started.

74
00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a kit he's kit bashing. He's kit bashing

75
00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,360
Speaker 1: his way to James Cameron's status.

76
00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,080
Speaker 3: That's the goal.

77
00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,200
Speaker 1: They started with a pair of conventional submersibles, the Cyclops

78
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,440
Speaker 1: and the Cyclops too. But the Cyclops is the cyclop i.

79
00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what the plural of Cyclopses would be.

80
00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,760
Speaker 1: But the two Cyclops submarines couldn't handle the trip that

81
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,640
Speaker 1: he wanted to make down to where the Titanic is.

82
00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,680
Speaker 1: But having those early submersibles allowed Rush to kind of

83
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,039
Speaker 1: start building a business. Now that this was not like

84
00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,760
Speaker 1: a money business, right, Rich people don't have to make

85
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360
Speaker 1: businesses that make money. As we all learned from Uber,

86
00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,120
Speaker 1: It's okay to be in continually lighting piles of money

87
00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,279
Speaker 1: on fire as long as you're like establishing your place

88
00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,800
Speaker 1: in the market. And so yeah, his kind of plan

89
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,120
Speaker 1: was basically Netflix. Yeah see Netflix, see most of the

90
00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,240
Speaker 1: companies this outside of Apple and like the modern deck industry.

91
00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus Christ, I know it's it's it's pretty.

92
00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,440
Speaker 1: They also, in his attitude Ocean Gate, it would be

93
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,280
Speaker 1: really funny if Netflix was like you know what, We're

94
00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 1: going to go down to the to the Titanic. Now

95
00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,719
Speaker 1: everyone who pays seven to ninety nine a month gets

96
00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,839
Speaker 1: a seat in our in our giant death sub.

97
00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:35,480
Speaker 3: But no.

98
00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,800
Speaker 1: So his his basic idea is like, I'm going to

99
00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 1: start taking just rich people on dives, you know, not

100
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,680
Speaker 1: to the Titanic, but to other you know less deep shipwrecks,

101
00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560
Speaker 1: and that'll get you know, that'll start building buzz, right,

102
00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,159
Speaker 1: That's kind of a big part of his plan was

103
00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,400
Speaker 1: like getting famous people, taking them down there, trusting that

104
00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,479
Speaker 1: the majesty of the sea and being in a submersible

105
00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,440
Speaker 1: would like make them evangelists for the brand, and that

106
00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,880
Speaker 1: would allow him to get kind of the investment dollars

107
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,479
Speaker 1: initial eventually that he needed to move on with his

108
00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,960
Speaker 1: more ambitious plan, the titan a submersible made with all

109
00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,960
Speaker 1: the hubris of the Titanic and the size footprint of

110
00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:14,960
Speaker 1: a Chevy suburban.

111
00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:16,880
Speaker 3: It's awesome, how he was.

112
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,560
Speaker 2: His business plan was like clout is better than physics.

113
00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, well, because it's one of those things

114
00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,600
Speaker 1: like people are inherently like intense experiences have a mind altering,

115
00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,240
Speaker 1: especially like ones where you're at risk of dying have

116
00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,039
Speaker 1: a kind of mind altering effect.

117
00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:37,880
Speaker 3: Like if you take.

118
00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,440
Speaker 1: Somebody to an intense place and they feel like they

119
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,680
Speaker 1: might die the whole time, and then they don't, they

120
00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,320
Speaker 1: get kind of a high, you know, Like that's why

121
00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,760
Speaker 1: war works the way that it does in a lot

122
00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,839
Speaker 1: of cases. So that was I think that was kind

123
00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,720
Speaker 1: of the idea, is like these people would like walk

124
00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,400
Speaker 1: away just kind of like unable to stop talking about

125
00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,159
Speaker 1: this thing. Which is why it's really interesting. He seems

126
00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,599
Speaker 1: to have had a huge base of contacts. There's since

127
00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 1: this all went pear shaped, a bunch of different famous

128
00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,840
Speaker 1: people have been like, oh yeah, like we were talking

129
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,240
Speaker 1: about going out, he offered us a ride, And it's

130
00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840
Speaker 1: interesting to me that, like, given how unknown he was

131
00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of before the sub went down, relatively speaking, how

132
00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,880
Speaker 1: well connected he is. And I think it was because

133
00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,480
Speaker 1: of this, because he was kind of building this this

134
00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,640
Speaker 1: undersea influencer network of like famous people and rich people

135
00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,320
Speaker 1: who just really liked doing this. Not a bad plan

136
00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,520
Speaker 1: at least in terms of like building his company. So

137
00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,440
Speaker 1: the problem with the plan was that he wanted to

138
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 1: make this big submersible with space for a larger crew

139
00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,760
Speaker 1: than basically any of the any of the like the

140
00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 1: deep water diving vessels had had previously. You know, you'd

141
00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,520
Speaker 1: had those Russian subs and stuff that could carry a crew.

142
00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,480
Speaker 1: But when you're looking at like, you know, the different

143
00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,520
Speaker 1: national like deep water exploration vessels or like James Cameron's vessel,

144
00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,320
Speaker 1: they were made for like generally one person, and they

145
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,680
Speaker 1: usually had like the actual the pressure barrier, which is

146
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,680
Speaker 1: like the part of the submersible that was meant to

147
00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160
Speaker 1: actually protect the human being was usually made out of

148
00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,920
Speaker 1: like titanium or some sort of special steel, which is

149
00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,320
Speaker 1: what you'd expect. This is the reliable, safe way to

150
00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,480
Speaker 1: do it, and Rush chose not to do the reliable

151
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,160
Speaker 1: safe way to do it. Basically after like this, I

152
00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,160
Speaker 1: think like the last big submersible disaster was in like

153
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,679
Speaker 1: the early seventies. It was these guys who were like

154
00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,720
Speaker 1: laying deep water cable off the coast of Ireland and

155
00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,600
Speaker 1: then something went wrong and they got stuck fifteen hundred

156
00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:41,160
Speaker 1: feet down.

157
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,760
Speaker 3: They both got rescued.

158
00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,880
Speaker 1: It was like a real They had like twelve minutes

159
00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,640
Speaker 1: of air left when they got saved, So it was

160
00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:54,000
Speaker 1: a fucking close thing. Yeah, it sounded like a nightmare,

161
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,480
Speaker 1: but it was one of those like it was survivable

162
00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,680
Speaker 1: because the pressure barrier didn't fail, right, Like everything else

163
00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,679
Speaker 1: went wrong, but like they did not explode, and you

164
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,319
Speaker 1: can survive most things aside from exploding.

165
00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a while at least.

166
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,319
Speaker 1: So the industry at all, I say industry, it's more

167
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,520
Speaker 1: of like a subculture of all of the the kind

168
00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,920
Speaker 1: of weird undersea neabors.

169
00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,880
Speaker 4: James Cameron calls it a community.

170
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, a community, Yeah, I mean they kind of is

171
00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,160
Speaker 2: the subculturist of all subcultures, the subs.

172
00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the sub So the literal subculture built

173
00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of safety rules about like here is how

174
00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,160
Speaker 1: you make a pressure barrier. These are the different like

175
00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 1: things you want to make sure your your vessel has

176
00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,960
Speaker 1: and they kind of voluntarily adopted these standards and it

177
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,920
Speaker 1: worked really well because nobody died, Like in the last

178
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,520
Speaker 1: like since everyone listening to this podcast basically has been alive,

179
00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,319
Speaker 1: no one has died doing these kind of like crazy

180
00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,839
Speaker 1: deep water dives, which is wild when you think about

181
00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,240
Speaker 1: what they're doing, right, that they're going to a place

182
00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,960
Speaker 1: less explored than the fucking Moon, and that it was

183
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,960
Speaker 1: so safe. But Stockton Rush is like I'm going to

184
00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,319
Speaker 1: ignore all of the things that they've been doing. I'm

185
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,360
Speaker 1: going to ignore like all of the requirements they have

186
00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,920
Speaker 1: for these vessels and instead I'm going to make this

187
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:23,320
Speaker 1: motherfucker out of carbon ass fiber. Now carbon fiber. It's

188
00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,839
Speaker 1: one of those you remember when it was special, when

189
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,240
Speaker 1: like we would hear about like this amazing space aids

190
00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,679
Speaker 1: carbon fiber and all the like. Obviously, it's got a

191
00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,559
Speaker 1: lot of uses. It's great material for certain things, for

192
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 1: over the water things, pretty good for things not in

193
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,640
Speaker 1: the water, maybe not under the water. Maybe might make

194
00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,880
Speaker 1: a great boat. I don't know. I'm not a boat maker. Yeah,

195
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,520
Speaker 1: but uh yeah. So Stockton was kind of obsessed with

196
00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,079
Speaker 1: the fact that carbon fiber has three times the strength

197
00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,679
Speaker 1: to buoyancy ratio of titanium, which he brought up constantly.

198
00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,599
Speaker 1: People who were you know, didn't think this was a

199
00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,200
Speaker 1: good idea. It would be like, yeah, but it like

200
00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,520
Speaker 1: has terrible compressive strength. Like if you it's it's great

201
00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,960
Speaker 1: if you're trying to like push it certain ways, but

202
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,840
Speaker 1: if you're trying to push it the way that pressure

203
00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,440
Speaker 1: works underwater, it's it's a bad thing. It's also when

204
00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,640
Speaker 1: like metal, the different metals they used for these things

205
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,960
Speaker 1: have the ability to kind of bend and flex to

206
00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,320
Speaker 1: an extent, whereas carbon fiber is super strong, but when

207
00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,400
Speaker 1: it breaks, it just it breaks real bad.

208
00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:25,800
Speaker 5: You know.

209
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a.

210
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,520
Speaker 2: Pretty good metaphor for all tech stuff that it's like

211
00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,880
Speaker 2: a space age fiber, a space age material. It works

212
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 2: really well at one thing and catastrophically bad at everything else.

213
00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,840
Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's also a great tech industry

214
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of metaphor because the defining thing about the defining

215
00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,640
Speaker 1: like cultural aspect of big tech is its inability to

216
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 1: leave well enough alone.

217
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:52,600
Speaker 3: Right right.

218
00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,880
Speaker 1: You can't just be like, oh, hey, subway systems can

219
00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,120
Speaker 1: work really well, and a lot of the most livable

220
00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,120
Speaker 1: cities in the world have public transit. You have to

221
00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,079
Speaker 1: be like, no, we're going to under sea hole or

222
00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,600
Speaker 1: underwater holes and we're going to drive tesla's under them

223
00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,120
Speaker 1: and they'll have no fire escapes. And likewise, it kind

224
00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,719
Speaker 1: of seems like, at least from the reading I've done,

225
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like the submersible industry there wasn't

226
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,000
Speaker 1: any room to really like disrupt or innovate, Like cameras

227
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,160
Speaker 1: get a little better, batteries get a little better, but

228
00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800
Speaker 1: the basics of the thing that goes underwater and keeps

229
00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,240
Speaker 1: you alive is always going to be the same. It's

230
00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 1: a big metal thing, like a big metal sphere. Titanium

231
00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:29,880
Speaker 1: is listen.

232
00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,439
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole tech industry is just like the

233
00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,120
Speaker 2: ultimate participation trophy. All these bozo's coming up with ideas

234
00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,079
Speaker 2: that already exist and no one has like, no one

235
00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,559
Speaker 2: has ever told them their ideas are wrong or bad,

236
00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,000
Speaker 2: and then they get to make them and you know,

237
00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,680
Speaker 2: bankrupt existing people.

238
00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:47,319
Speaker 5: Yeah.

239
00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, Uber lights tens of billions of

240
00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,959
Speaker 1: dollars on fire. Yeah, this is he's kind of doing that.

241
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000
Speaker 1: He's got He's just he's not doing this. I mean

242
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,360
Speaker 1: there's a couple other reasons, as we'll get into, but yeah,

243
00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,120
Speaker 1: carbon fiber bad idea for this sort of boat. Now,

244
00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,280
Speaker 1: people had tried to use it before for submersibles. In

245
00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,960
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, Richard Branson had funded an explorer

246
00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,120
Speaker 1: named Steve Fawcett who wanted to make like an airplane

247
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,920
Speaker 1: shaped carbon fiber submarine that could basically fly to the

248
00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,600
Speaker 1: bottom of the.

249
00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,040
Speaker 3: Challenge team and back up.

250
00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,160
Speaker 4: Every name in this story is somehow funny.

251
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,160
Speaker 1: Well, Fawcett's really because Fawcett was like a legitimate explorer.

252
00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,720
Speaker 1: He was also known as this guy who repeatedly nearly

253
00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,880
Speaker 1: died and like would cost various governments a shitload of

254
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,760
Speaker 1: money rescuing him, and then he'd be like, well I'm

255
00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not paying for that and get himself into

256
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,640
Speaker 1: another disaster and eventually he died in a mysterious plan.

257
00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,840
Speaker 3: That's that's the lesson.

258
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might not take his advice on this, and

259
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,560
Speaker 1: he never got to build it because he was involved

260
00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,400
Speaker 1: in a mysterious plane crash that became the most expensive

261
00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,400
Speaker 1: rescue effort in modern history.

262
00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,480
Speaker 3: I guess up until this subwent down is.

263
00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,040
Speaker 2: Fine, we got to stay peg taxes because they just

264
00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,800
Speaker 2: go to these bozos once.

265
00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,560
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so that they can fly their planes into

266
00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:17,280
Speaker 1: the sides of canyons. Oh so anyway, Yeah, as kind

267
00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,560
Speaker 1: of he starts moving along and building this and testing

268
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,120
Speaker 1: it out and Shorter dives. Various people within the industry,

269
00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,080
Speaker 1: including like literally James Cameron, start reaching out and being like, hey,

270
00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, feels like it might be

271
00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,200
Speaker 1: not the best idea ever, and Rush ignores them. He

272
00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 1: told Smithsonian Magazine, there hasn't been an injury in the

273
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,720
Speaker 1: commercial sub industry in over thirty five years. It's obscenely

274
00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,640
Speaker 1: safe because they have all these regulations. But it also

275
00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,080
Speaker 1: has an innovated or growed because they have all these

276
00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 1: regulations obscenely safe, it's too safe. It makes me sick.

277
00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,960
Speaker 1: No one's killed a sub full of people in decades.

278
00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,200
Speaker 3: He did.

279
00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,920
Speaker 2: He saw his opening and went for it. It's so

280
00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800
Speaker 2: funny that every quote from him is just him doing

281
00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,040
Speaker 2: like the jack off motion at the idea of safety regulations.

282
00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining him like coming out and like a

283
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,880
Speaker 1: black turtleneck like Steve Jobs, and being like, and now

284
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,600
Speaker 1: for something insanely great, a boat that kills a shitload

285
00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 1: of people. What if we got more people to die

286
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,400
Speaker 1: at the Titanic wreck.

287
00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:29,040
Speaker 3: It's all about scale, Roberts. It's about the scale.

288
00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,160
Speaker 1: So he's instead of basically, instead of doing the things

289
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,360
Speaker 1: that engineers had been doing for decades to make this

290
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,240
Speaker 1: stuff safe, he invented an entirely new kind of safety device.

291
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,120
Speaker 1: It was called He called it an acoustic monitoring system

292
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,200
Speaker 1: which could detect the sound of micro buckling before it

293
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,960
Speaker 1: it being the carbon fiber fails Now. Nothing like this

294
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,760
Speaker 1: had ever been used on a submersible. It was untested technology.

295
00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,360
Speaker 1: And again people who like worked with him, people who

296
00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,640
Speaker 1: knew what he was doing, warned him like, hey, it

297
00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of seems like this is the kind of thing

298
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,280
Speaker 1: that will only give you a warning right before you die,

299
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,200
Speaker 1: like it'll let you know, Like, and that's that's what happened.

300
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,840
Speaker 1: Like a minute before they all died. It said, hey,

301
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,360
Speaker 1: the structure's failing, so they tried to ascend and then

302
00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 1: it imploded.

303
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:17,920
Speaker 3: It's so wild that.

304
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,600
Speaker 2: His big safety plan was a robot that goes, damn,

305
00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,200
Speaker 2: that just sounds crazy.

306
00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 1: It's like the bad idea about it. So he gets

307
00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:35,080
Speaker 1: this fucking carbon fiber hole made. He rush orders it too.

308
00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520
Speaker 1: It's like a two week deal. It's a five inch

309
00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,160
Speaker 1: thick hole made by a specialist and assembled into a

310
00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 1: submersible with a seven inch port hole put on by

311
00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,920
Speaker 1: ocean Gate. One of the things he does is he

312
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,360
Speaker 1: attaches carbon fiber to titanium. The end cap of this

313
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,520
Speaker 1: thing with the porthole a is titanium. People didn't do

314
00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,840
Speaker 1: that because titanium and carbon fiber, when put together and

315
00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,440
Speaker 1: put under seawater corrode in specific ways. Then you're really

316
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,760
Speaker 1: bad but he was like, fuck it, I don't I

317
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,639
Speaker 1: don't think that'll happen. Like, I haven't found a reason

318
00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,919
Speaker 1: why he thought this would be okay. He seems to

319
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,960
Speaker 1: have just been like, I don't think it'll be a problem.

320
00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:12,320
Speaker 3: I thought I.

321
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,320
Speaker 2: Saw something where he was like, everyone says you can't

322
00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,080
Speaker 2: do it, So that's yeah, like I said, back to there,

323
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,680
Speaker 2: we did it. It is start of shocking how much

324
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,320
Speaker 2: the engineering of this thing is just a pringles can.

325
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,760
Speaker 3: It's like, really wild.

326
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there's only basically everyone says, as

327
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,119
Speaker 1: everyone points out, there's only really two shapes something like

328
00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,280
Speaker 1: this could be made the ideal one is a sphere,

329
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,680
Speaker 1: or you make the less ideal shape, a pringles can,

330
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,479
Speaker 1: as you call it. He goes with pringles can, and

331
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,920
Speaker 1: I want to play this clip of him because it

332
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,640
Speaker 1: really it makes it gives you an idea of how

333
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,280
Speaker 1: fucking arrogant this guy was.

334
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,720
Speaker 6: You remember it as an innovator, Yu, and I think

335
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,399
Speaker 6: it was general MacArthur said, you remembered for the rules

336
00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,399
Speaker 6: you bring, and you know I've broken some rules to

337
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,159
Speaker 6: make this. I think I broke him with with logic

338
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 6: and good engineering behind me, the carbon fiber and titanium.

339
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 3: There's a rule you don't do that.

340
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,320
Speaker 6: Well I did.

341
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:16,800
Speaker 3: It's pick I do love that.

342
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,640
Speaker 1: Like he's he's he's being like quoting Douglas MacArthur positively here,

343
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,320
Speaker 1: like the guy who the guy who attempted to invade

344
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,960
Speaker 1: North Korea and then got his ass kicked, like Douglas MacArthur,

345
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, he got he got a lot of

346
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 1: nineteen year olds killed. I feel like I could too

347
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 1: good call man, I mean good call it is. It

348
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:47,119
Speaker 1: is like honestly crazy, how much every single thing he

349
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,640
Speaker 1: says is wrong. It's like shocking.

350
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,439
Speaker 2: It's like it's like if if we learned that he

351
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,960
Speaker 2: was a time traveler sent back from whatever he got,

352
00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,639
Speaker 2: you know, he got vaporized, and then that sent him

353
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 2: to the future, and then he figured out how to

354
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 2: way to send himself back, and he was his only

355
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,920
Speaker 2: goal was to say the funniest possible thing about his death.

356
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

357
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: See now I'm I'm trying not to like I'm trying

358
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 1: to like really ride the middle of the of the

359
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 1: not being too crude about this line. But now I'm

360
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 1: thinking about like maybe Stocked and Rush came from the

361
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: future where Skynett took over and like the billionaires on

362
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: this sub were all of the guys who invested on

363
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,919
Speaker 1: the ground floor of that. And he's like, look, the

364
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 1: Terminator thing, that created too much of a mess. We

365
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 1: don't want a big shootout with the LAPD. I gotta

366
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,160
Speaker 1: find a quieter way to stop Skynett from getting off

367
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 1: the ground, like inviting Miles Dyson to go under water

368
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, he's a big Titanic head.

369
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 3: That is. That is a thing that I really.

370
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 2: Like tourat or two gets wrong, is like how easy

371
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: it is to kill billionaires simply buy like you don't

372
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,679
Speaker 2: need guns or tact people are really there's just like

373
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 2: appeal to their idiot ego.

374
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: They'll fucking kill themselves. It's great.

375
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: It is funny that, like the least realistic part of

376
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 1: the movie Terminator Too is not like the time travel

377
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 1: or the robots with living skin, but the fact that

378
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: when Miles Dyson was told, like when this tech entrepreneur

379
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 1: was told your product will kill the world, he was like, well,

380
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: time for me to die stopping it, instead of being like, oh,

381
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 1: I better do another round of VC funding. So when

382
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: they finished building this stupid when it was done, they

383
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 1: first did an unmanned test up to I think around

384
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand feet with this thing, and then as soon

385
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: as like it didn't explode, stocked and took it down

386
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: alone past ten thousand feet and against all expert advice.

387
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: The experts were like, you'd probably do it more than

388
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: once before you put anyone in it, right, Like human

389
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: life is generally, Oh, you don't think it's precious, Okay,

390
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's whatever you know, And at this point, honestly,

391
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: that's fine. Like if this had remained a crazy man

392
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: who wanted to build his own terrible submarine and he

393
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: had died alone exploring the bottom of that would be romantic.

394
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: People would be writing songs about him, you know, the

395
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: lone maniac who just loved the ocean so much and

396
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: didn't really understand carbon fiber enough. But of course, you know,

397
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: his plan is again to sell tickets on this thing. Now,

398
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: there were some signs in his maiden voyage that this

399
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: thing was not safe. It stalled out at like ten

400
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: thousand feet below the surface for a while for reasons

401
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 1: they couldn't determine, and then it lost contact for like

402
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: a couple of hours with the team on the boat,

403
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: and he didn't notice. He was like so excited piloting

404
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: it that he didn't even realize he'd lost contact for

405
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: a while. And I'm I'm going to read a quote

406
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: from Smithsonian here. He had chosen to pilot Titan alone

407
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: in case anything went unexpectedly wrong. Said, but he also

408
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: wanted to be only the second person to travel solo

409
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: to at least that depth, the other being James Cameron,

410
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: who in twenty twelve took an Australian built sub into

411
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: the Mariana Trench, reaching Challenger Deep, the ocean's deepest point,

412
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: touching down at close to thirty six thousand feet. That's

413
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: a nice club to be a part of, Rush says,

414
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: and that that kind of makes it clear he doesn't

415
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: he's not a scientist. He wants famous explorer clout right.

416
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: He's not saying I want to test this, I want

417
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: to do this. He's saying, like I want my name

418
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: on like a list, right, Yeah, like I want to

419
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: I want to do the you know, check off the

420
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: box on the famous explorer list.

421
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: That is, He's just.

422
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: Kind of a thing that's been hard, is how much

423
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: of this conversation, this last couple of days has been

424
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: like these people were explorers, and it's like they really weren't,

425
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: like they were not figuring anything out.

426
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: Like, look, guys, aside from very niche facts about how

427
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: boats underwater decompose, there's nothing left we're going to learn

428
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 1: about the Titanic. It's we did We did it, like

429
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of time, spent a lot of

430
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: time looking at that dead boat and yeah, it's like

431
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: the ID it's it's just uh, it's clout. It's all

432
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: clout seeking, and yeah, that's kind of the That's like

433
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: why they went with That's why he went with, you know,

434
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: this less safe shape is because he wanted to be

435
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: able to take people with him so that they could

436
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: then brag about this stuff. He just wanted to make

437
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: sure he was first.

438
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 5: He was.

439
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: Also the reason why ultimately he's making this out of

440
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: carbon fiber is because that will make it light, and

441
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: that will make it cheaper than the other methods of

442
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: making submersibles, and that means that it'll be like a

443
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: big heavy titanium or metal you know, diving vessel takes

444
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: a big boat to bring it around because like it's

445
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: so heavy, Whereas he thought this thing you could take

446
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: it around on smaller boats. You could make a bunch

447
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: of them and he could have them operating for a

448
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: lot less money and a fast company out of you.

449
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, you do you

450
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: got to kill people with uh with scale.

451
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: That's the key that he found.

452
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like we got to be able to get

453
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of these out. It's like Uber's long term

454
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: plan was to get profitable by making autonomous cars and

455
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: forcing out drivers. And his plan is to like flood

456
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: the ocean with these dangerous submersibles so that he can

457
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: sell them to a bunch of people the long term.

458
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: This is what he told Fast Company. The long term

459
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: value is in the commercial side. Adventure tourism is a

460
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: way to monetize the process of proving the technology. Like

461
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: that's and again his plan is still I want to

462
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: sell this to the oil and gas industry. I want

463
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: to sell this shit to the CIA. Like his plan

464
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: is to make money in extractive industries, and like the

465
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: defense industry, he's just trying to subsidize that by getting

466
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: rich people to go down and look at the Titanic.

467
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Technical problems continued to plague the craft. Between that and

468
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: bad weather, it missed several dive windows. In subsequent interviews,

469
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Rush tended to ignore this period of time where it

470
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: was repeatedly kind of like failing to make depth. They're

471
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: having to return because something would go wrong. But there

472
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: were people within Oceangate who worried he was being reckless

473
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: from the very first dive the Titan did people inside

474
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: could hear crackling from the carbon fiber body. Now one

475
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: of the industry folks, like a sub maker that he

476
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: brought with him, was like, that is the sound of

477
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: your sub failing? Like this is a serious problem. I

478
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: can tell you exactly where it's compromised. Like, no, this

479
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: has to be dealt with otherwise you can't take people

480
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: on this boat. But Stockton tended to kind of brush

481
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: this off as like a quirker.

482
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: Do they not know the rule? Do they not know

483
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: the rule?

484
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Though, Robert, what's the rule? Soviey?

485
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: Do they not know the rule? The rule is snap

486
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: crackle pop, yeah, exactly.

487
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: And so this guy, it's in twenty nineteen that this happened.

489
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: This guy, Carl Stanley, who's like runs an exploration compedy,

490
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: goes with him on a twelve thousand foot dive and

491
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, that's part to the whole breaking down, bro,

492
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: And Rushi is like, no, no, no, it's it's fine.

493
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: We've we've we've been listening to the whole breakdown and

494
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: it's doing it less now, so we feel like it's

495
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. And this guy's like, I don't know, I

496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: don't think you should take people. You can't take customers

497
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: on this thing yet. Like, if you think it's safe,

498
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: that's great, but you should wait until you've done like

499
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: fifty deep water dives before you decide that this thing

500
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: is safe. And he brings up he points out like,

501
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: you know because because Russia's comment to that is like,

502
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: well you just picked a random number. There's no reason

503
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: fifty is safer than three or four, which, first stuff.

504
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: That's very dumb.

505
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: But second like this Stanley is like, well, you know,

506
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: like with sky diving, fifty is the number that you

507
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: have to hit to reach your like B license, so

508
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: we should probably you know, seek to be at least

509
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: as safe as the sky diving industry.

510
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 3: And Rush is just like you just tend to number man.

511
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's like these people that claim to be

512
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 7: these like numerate hard science like whatever, it's just like, eh,

513
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 7: three fifty whatever.

514
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

515
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 8: Man?

516
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's anyway. So one of his employees takes action.

517
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, a guy named David Lockridge, who was

518
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: a he's a submersible pilot who had been hired to

519
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: be the ocean Gate director of marine operations. That meant

520
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: the safety of the crew in customers was legally his business,

521
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: and he was like he takes a look at this

522
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: thing and is like, wait a second, I'm responsible for

523
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: like not killing people, and this thing is a death trap.

524
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: I have some problems with this, right, like responsibly. Lockridge

525
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: is like one of two people in this entire story

526
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: who does their fucking job right. So they had built

527
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: a one third scale model of the Titan in order

528
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: to like do you know, pressure tests and stuff outside

529
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: of you know, the deep ocean, and those tests had

530
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: shown that consistent constant pressure cycling weakened the carbon fiber

531
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: overtime that it degraded pretty rapidly. Lockridge also found flaws

532
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: and the visible carbon in samples for the Titan. He

533
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: was like, we had this was not made well enough

534
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: and it degrades very quickly over time. So he wanted

535
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: the company to perform more extensive tests to see if

536
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: the Titan had already been compromised. Stockton refused these tests.

537
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: He claimed, quote no scan of the Wholer bond line

538
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: could be done because the hole was too thick and

539
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: the equipment to test it didn't exist. He was like,

540
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: this thing is so well made, we can't even test

541
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: if it's.

542
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: If it's safe. Bro, you can't even test this ship.

543
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 6: Bro.

544
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too thick, man, it's too thick, too thick

545
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: to But also he's at the same time, he's like,

546
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: it's safe because we're always monitoring to see if there's fractures.

547
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, but what Both of those things

548
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: can't be true, Stocked it.

549
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: You can't be monitoring the hole for problems and unable

550
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: to the whole for problems. But Lockridge Lock So, Lockridge,

551
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: I think, notices this, and he keeps digging. He finds

552
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: other problems. For one thing, he'd always been concerned about

553
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: the viewport, which people would note seem like it flexed

554
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: at depth a lot more than it ought to be flexing.

555
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: And so he was like, what is this thing rated for?

556
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: And he like digs into it and he finds out

557
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: that the viewport is rated for thirteen hundred meters. They're

558
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: they're going down to like four thousand meters. So he's like, well,

559
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: that seems like a real problem. And Stockton's general line is, oh,

560
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred. They just put like that number on there.

561
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: It can actually handle a lot more. There's not any

562
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: reason why he thinks it can handle more.

563
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: He keeps saying engineering what he means, because I fucking

564
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: felt like it.

565
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre.

566
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I fucking felt like it. Yeah, it's it's

567
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: pretty good. But you know what can with stand up

568
00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: to four thousand meters of pressure. Food boxes that Blue

569
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Apron ships out, every single one of them guaranteed to

570
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: survive the pressures of the deep. And in fact, if

571
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: you want to go see the Titanic yourself, you can't

572
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: use this sub anymore. But what you can do is

573
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: dive into the Atlantic with a box of Blue Apron

574
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: food and it'll keep you safe. You will not die

575
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: if you leap alone into the frigid North Sea with

576
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: a box of Blue Apron vegetables. Keep you alive, Sophie.

577
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: We're back.

578
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: So this guy, David Lockridge finds a bunch of shit,

579
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: that's a problem. In addition to the porthole not being

580
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: rated for depth and the fucking carbon fiber being shit,

581
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: he also finds out that there's hazardous flammable materials inside

582
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: the vessel that the customers are not being informed about, Like, hey,

583
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: you can all burn to death inside inside a carbon

584
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: fiber tomb. Is a problem, and they just didn't tell people.

585
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: And a big part of Lockridge's issue is like not

586
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: just that they're doing this because it's it's not illegal

587
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: to do this, right, because there's no laws in the site.

588
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: He's like, we're not informing people that these are dangers, right,

589
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Like you're writing on the list, Hey you know you

590
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: could die doing this, which generally just makes people think

591
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it's extra cool. But we're not saying, hey, guys, here

592
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: are all of the defects in this process.

593
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: Here, we are all of you.

594
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: You really could die, So a lot of ways that

595
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: you are not even thinking of. Burning to death in

596
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: that tube under the ocean is the most like postmodern

597
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: way to die, I feel.

598
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, find the tech bros innovating disrupting

599
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: the ocean enough that people burn to death inside it

600
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: truly r Yeah, yeah, So Lockridge brings all of this

601
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: to Stockton, and according to Lockridge, Stockton grows enraged and

602
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: then fires Lockridge. So Lockridge ocean Gate sues Lockridge for

603
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: disclosing confidential information, and he counters sues and claims like, well,

604
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm a whistleblower because I think he's going to get

605
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: people killed. Now, none of this becomes major news while

606
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: people are writing articles about their ocean gates first successful

607
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Titanic drops like this is all available again within like

608
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: twelve hours of the boat going missing. This winds up

609
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: in news stories. Anyone could have found this. And by

610
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: the way, like billionaires, especially billionaires with their own companies,

611
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: tend to have like crews of people who like look

612
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: up shit rhythm, you know, who make sure that vet

613
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: trips that they're doing, vet people they're working with, they

614
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: have like intelligence wings. They tend to hire people for this.

615
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: They could have found this too, Like nobody was looking

616
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: for this shit, but it was not hard to find.

617
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: So two months after Lockridge filed this suit, ocean Gate

618
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: has another potential PR disaster on its hand because around

619
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: forty leading figures in the industry, including deep sea explorers

620
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: and oceanographers, write an open letter to Stockton in which

621
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: they warned that his experimental craft is unsafe for passengers.

622
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Their primary issue here was that he had chosen not

623
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: to get his submersible rated for four thousand meters of

624
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: depth under the phvo or Pressure Vessels for human occupancy standards.

625
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: This was not something he had to do. Again, he's

626
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: not like required to do this. The boat's registered in

627
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: like Canada, he's in international waters. There's not really a

628
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: way to stop rich people from paying to build subs

629
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: like this and taking them out in the ocean.

630
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, if.

631
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: Canada made a law against it, he would have registered

632
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: his boat in the caravan or some shit right like

633
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: there's it's boats. You can't stop rich people from doing

634
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: what they want on their stupid.

635
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: Boats and needing to be rescued by a public entity.

636
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: This is the perfect libertarian Parbertarian story. This is as

637
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: libertarian as the shit gets.

638
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: It is what they always take to the sea and

639
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: it always goes so badly. There were a lot of

640
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: other issues that people or a lot of other people

641
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: who brought up issues. One of the guys who kind

642
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: of like points out some potential risks kind of directly

643
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: to Stockton is a guy named Rob McCallum, and McCallum

644
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: is kind of a dude in the industry, and he

645
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: is in direct contact with Stockton. Stockton's trying to get

646
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: him to like get on this boat and be like, hey, man,

647
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: don't you want to, like, uh, don't you want to,

648
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, go see the Titanic with me? And this

649
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: guy responds like, I think you're potentially placing yourself and

650
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: your clients in a dangerous dynamic in your race to

651
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: the Titanic. You're mirroring that famous cat ry she is unsinkable.

652
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: And Stockton responds, we have heard the baseless cries of

653
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: you are going to kill someone way too often. I

654
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: take this as a serious personal insult.

655
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can't make someone learned, like if

656
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: he's going to respond to no, you really can't. People

657
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: have been telling me I'm going to kill someone that

658
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm insulted, Like, you cannot fix that. That is like

659
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: millionaire brain worms that cannot go away.

660
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's you know. When I was in a

661
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: little kid and I was in like the boy Scouts,

662
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: we had this one camp out and like I was

663
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: one of at this point, I was like fourteen, So

664
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: I was one of the older boys and we had

665
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: a couple of the younger boys, you know that we

666
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: were trying to like teach the basics of camping and

667
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: stuff too.

668
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: And you know, it's nighttime.

669
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Everyone's sitting around their fires cooking food and they have

670
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: this like nice cooler that one of their dads had

671
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: brought out with them, and they've got it like wedged

672
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: up right next to the fire and they're sitting.

673
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: On it like it's a chair.

674
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: And as I'm like doing a walk through, I'm like, hey,

675
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of a bad idea.

676
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: Guys.

677
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty close to the fire. It might

678
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: like you know, catch on fire, get melted or something.

679
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: It looks expensive, and like one of the kids just

680
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: looks at me, like I'm an idiot, and it's like

681
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: it can't catch on fire.

682
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: It's got icon.

683
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: We just like we go over to like the adult

684
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: who's running things, and he's like, just let it happen,

685
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: you know.

686
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: Like they'll learn a lesson. And I wish.

687
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: I feel like if that had happened to Stockton as

688
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: a younger man, maybe maybe all of those people would

689
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: still be alive. You know, one melted cooler could have

690
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: saved a lot of lives. Yeah, it is like, yeah, just.

691
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: Face a consequence once or twice a minimum, please.

692
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

693
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, learn that, you know, when other people give you warnings,

694
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: they should be heated sometimes. Learn that maybe your instincts

695
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: don't always take you in the right directions. He does

696
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: not ever learn this lesson because he's born super rich,

697
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: you know. So all of these warnings were super correct.

698
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: And this gets proved in twenty twenty. And I'm gonna

699
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: quote from a summary published by MSN Law MSN Live

700
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: Right now.

701
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Quote.

702
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, the CEO told geek Wire the whole

703
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: of the submarine was showing scigns of cyclic fatigue, one

704
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: of the same technical issues mister Lockridge allegedly warned about

705
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: as the company continued to test the craft, including with

706
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: a four thousand meters deep dive in the Bahamas. As

707
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: a result, the company temporarily downgraded the Titanic submarine's whole

708
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: depth rating to three thousand meters, a thousand less than

709
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: the Titanic's depth according to tech Crunch, So they have

710
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: this problem. They had like recognized the cyclic fatigue and

711
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: they decrease the depth rating while they get material to

712
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: rebuild the hub the hole, which they do in twenty

713
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: twenty one. Now, the fact that they had to rebuild

714
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: the hole that quickly is kind of worrisome, But what's

715
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: extra worrisome is that they also cut costs.

716
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: On this ship. So yeah.

717
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: After the Titan imploded, Travel Weekly editor in chief Arnie

718
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Wiseman wrote that he had been due to take a

719
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: trip to the Titanic that year, and he'd known Stocked

720
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: in a while and liked him. He'd gone out with

721
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: him a couple of times. But he expressed that like

722
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: they'd been talking one day and Russiad told him quote

723
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: he had gotten the carbon fiber us to make the

724
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was

725
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: way past its shelf life for use in airplanes. Oh yeah,

726
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: And so he tells this to the guy he's trying

727
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: to convince to come down with him, and Arnie's like,

728
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: that seems like a really bad idea, Like it seems

729
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: really dangerous that you're using expired carbon fiber. And Stockton's

730
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: response is like, nah, man, they set the shelf light

731
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: dates on those like way earlier than they ought to

732
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: be it's actually like, it's the argument I make when

733
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: I take expired like it in that like a friend

734
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: of mine has in a medicine cabinet and they're like, oh,

735
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: we should just throw that out, Like, no, man, this

736
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: stuff is still good.

737
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: This is he's he's as cavalier with multiple people's multiple

738
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: billionaires lives as I am with, Like, is this takeout

739
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: still cool?

740
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: Rice beIN in the fridge too long? It is?

741
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: It is so wild that like and he just admits

742
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: this to someone he's trying to talk into getting on his.

743
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: Boat, Like, yeah, you know, was extra cool.

744
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: I had a deal on this carbon fiber because they

745
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: say it's not safe for airplanes anymore.

746
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: Let's go under the sea with it. I am not

747
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: getting in your boat.

748
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: If you're saying that, I'm sorry.

749
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: God.

750
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bragging about cheaping out on your fucking submersible.

751
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: Is so wild. It's so wild.

752
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: It's it's funny too, because like a big touchstone with

753
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: this story is obviously Jurassic Park, which is the tale

754
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: of a you know, insane an insane rich man killing

755
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: getting a bunch of people killed through humans. At least

756
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: the book Hammond is a bad very much a bad

757
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: guy in the book, But I do at least he's

758
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: like smart enough to brag that they spared no expense,

759
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: like they cut corners everywhere in Jurassic Park. But like

760
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't say that. He's not like being like, you know,

761
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: we made all these t rex enclosures at a turkey

762
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: wire a lot cheaper than the stuff that these experts

763
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: said I needed to use.

764
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just all I.

765
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: Wish is that every Silicon Valley titan of industry has

766
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: the like you know, has the self belief to live

767
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: their lives according to what they really believe.

768
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: The way that Stockton rushed did.

769
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: I think he is a hero and a model for

770
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: everyone of those guys.

771
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he. I agree with you entirely, And

772
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I think this is why I've heard that they're remaking

773
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: doing like a TV show version of Jurassic Park that's

774
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: based on the book. And I actually think we're ready

775
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: for that, because in the actual book, Hammond, rather than

776
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: being a sweet grandfather, is a psychotic tech entrepreneur who

777
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: gets brutally murdered by one of his own dinosaurs. And

778
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: maybe we need that right now. We may in fact

779
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: need to that version of Jurassic Park or.

780
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 9: Yeah fictionally, Yeah, So the weirdest thing about what I

781
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 9: just told you about him getting cut right carbon fiber

782
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 9: for his death sub is that he may have lied

783
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 9: about that, which is this wild thing to lie about.

784
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, but like journalists reached out to

785
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Boeing to be like, are you guys selling discount carbon

786
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: fiber to the death sub guy? And Boeing was like,

787
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: we have no record of any kind of sale of

788
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: this sort to ocean Gate or to Stockton Rush. Now

789
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Boeing is very like possibly a liar in this situation.

790
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going like there it's Boeing, I have no

791
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: need to defend them. But also, like stocked and Rush

792
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: would be the kind of guy. I find it equally

793
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: likely that he cheaped out on life saving parts or

794
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: that he actually bought better stuff and light about getting

795
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: a deal on them to try to impress some guy.

796
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: Like either of those things is possible. There's no way

797
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, yeah, so many possibilities.

798
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: It feels like there's also something like he seems like

799
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: the guy who doesn't actually know where his shit is

800
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: sourced from, like someone.

801
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 3: Just told him at price, and like basically Boeing and like.

802
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Fuck it, yeah, yeah, who knows, Yeah, yeah, who knows.

803
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: And it is also I should say this is also

804
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: part of a pretty fun pattern for him, because Stockton

805
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: had a history of bragging in his interviews, you know,

806
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: he had He would he would take people on and

807
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: they would see like, oh, there's a lag Tech controller

808
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: as like piloting this thing, and like the interior lights

809
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: are just like shit you bought from Camper World. Seems

810
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: kind of jankie for a submarine that you're expecting to

811
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: keep you alive at like twelve or thirteen thousand feet

812
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: below you know, the surface. And Stockton to be like, well, yeah,

813
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, we you know, this is like a rough

814
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: and tumble outfit. We had to kind of hack you know,

815
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: certain shit. But like when it comes to stuff that

816
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: really matters, when it comes to the pressure barrier, that

817
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: is the best stuff available. You know, not only is

818
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: carbon fibrous space age material, but we designed the whole

819
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: pressure barrier with help from NASA and from Boeing and

820
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: from the University of Washington. He would bring up those

821
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: three names every single time, like somebody pointed out that

822
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: it was janky, and since all those people died. Journalists

823
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: reached out to Boeing, and Boeing was like, we didn't

824
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: have shit to do. I don't know what he's talking about.

825
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: We didn't help this guy with anything, like, we have

826
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: no idea what you're commenting on.

827
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: I have not seen NASA answer those like to that yet.

828
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any sort of response from them as

829
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: to whether or not they had any role in this.

830
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: CBS notes quote. In a statement, the University of Washington

831
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: said it supplied physics Laboratory provided engineering services to the

832
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: company in Rush from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty, but

833
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: on a different submersible. The one they helped with was

834
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: the Cyclops and at that point was steel hold and

835
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: only meant for shallow dies. So basically he was and

836
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: it seems likely to me that like I don't know,

837
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: maybe he talked with a guy from Boeing, maybe a

838
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: because like there was one astronaut we'll talk about later

839
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: that he like brings in that he hires to basically

840
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: be a brand evangelist. I think he was just kind

841
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: of like doing that normal tech thing where you just

842
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: you have like this this little bitty sky of truth

843
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and you just sort of like embellish on it until

844
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: it's a lie. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what he's doing.

845
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: So it is I know you.

846
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Said a moratorium on forty k commentary, but it is

847
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: shocking how much this is just an ORC mech that

848
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: we're talking about.

849
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: It is.

850
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: Hey, if this was an ORC mech, it would have

851
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: made it down there, right, because all of these guys

852
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: believed in this stupid thing, you know, that.

853
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: Would have kept it safe.

854
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a rip to the number one war boy.

855
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 5: Yeah he.

856
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: I.

857
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: People always want us to do like a Warhammer episode,

858
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: which I won't do because because there are only like

859
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: thirty people who appreciate Warhammer enough for that to happen.

860
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: But you didn't think I would be one of them.

861
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm proud it was proper use

862
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: of a of a war boy there there.

863
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm oh.

864
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the old Armageddon campaign. Orchimedes actually did build

865
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: an Orc submarine. There was a during the Armageddon games.

866
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: There was like even a little model that some.

867
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: People act together for. Yeah, good stuff. Yeah.

868
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: Orchimedes better sub designer in the sky than sucked in Rush,

869
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: A lot more concerned with safety. Yeah, Jesus okay, all right, sorry,

870
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: sorry for that. So at this point I want to

871
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: get to the thing that I've been most excited to

872
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: show you because I found an ad that Ocean Safe

873
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: was using to sell this that and it is bug fun.

874
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I am so excited for you to see this fucking thing.

875
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna play several clips. But here's how it's study.

876
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 5: Expeditions offers you the once in a lifetime opportunity to

877
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: be a specially trained crew members safely diving to the

878
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 5: Titanic wreckage site. Get ready for what Jules Verne could

879
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 5: only imagine a twelve five hundred foot journey to the

880
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: bottom of the sea.

881
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: Probably, so you see, they start right off with like

882
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: it's safe, this is a safe journey. It's a safe

883
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: journey that Jules Verna would be jealous about. Jules Verne,

884
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: who famously wrote about safe submarine.

885
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: Chah, listen, I know billionaires again just have brain worms.

886
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: But anytime you're paying, like the idea, the fact that

887
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: they call these people crew members or whatever, like anytime

888
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: you have to pay money to ostensibly do a job,

889
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: you should realize you're being scammed.

890
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does have a little bit of that, like

891
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: going to it.

892
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know exactly where to where to draw

893
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the line here, but it does have a little bit

894
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: of that, like, no, we call our at this restaurant,

895
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: we call our customers guests or exactly, yeah it is.

896
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: I just want to play the next clip from this

897
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: because the kind of the different. By kind of paying

898
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: attention to the verbiage he uses here, you get two things,

899
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: which is that like he's really obsessed with making sure

900
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: people think this is safe, and he's really obsessed with

901
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: making sure that they don't consider themselves tourists. Right, Like,

902
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: we'll play some more from that, but like there's a

903
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: couple of points where he like really emphasizes this is

904
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: not tourism. Now, by the time this video was published,

905
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: like two months before the sub kills everybody. So at

906
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: that point, Ocean Game has done two different dives to

907
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: successful dives to see the Titanic, and each time they're

908
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: doing this, I think they're going down more than once. Right,

909
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: they have a boat and it's got like a number

910
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: of people on it, and they do is you know,

911
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: a couple of trips. It's unclear to me exactly how

912
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: many times the sub reached the bottom, but they brought

913
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: a few different groups of people down there, which meant

914
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: that they had some customer testimonials to play, which gives

915
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: this thing kind of like the flavor of like a

916
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 1: TV infomercial for I don't know, like a shot back.

917
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: So if you play it again, another trip like this,

918
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: fewer people have been the Titanic and into space.

919
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 10: It's tougher to go to the bottom of the ocean

920
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 10: than it is to the far side of the moon.

921
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 10: So we saw things that maybe human eyes have never

922
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 10: seen before.

923
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: This is like, this is what's playing on the TV

924
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: during RoboCop.

925
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: This is a company that exists in RoboCop and every

926
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: week they do get people killed, but it's not a

927
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: problem in the RoboCop. The second guy you hear in that,

928
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: the dude like talking about how you know you could

929
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: see something no humans ever seen, is a former astronaut

930
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: named Scott Perezenski. Scott was in NASA for seventeen years.

931
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: He's the first person to fly in space and to

932
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: summit Mount Everest. Now I'm not accusing doctor Perezinski of

933
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: any illegal or an ethical behavior, but he is the

934
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: major selling point of this video right. He is on

935
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: this more than basically anybody else. He's constantly there to

936
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: like let His job is to both let potential customers know.

937
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Number one, if you do this, you'll be an explorer

938
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: like me, the cool astronaut guy, and nonumber two. I

939
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: think this is a good idea as an astronaut. This

940
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: seems like a safe thing to me. I guess I

941
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: am accusing him of something that is unhappy mean in

942
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: a two thousand nine year No.

943
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: It is probably the best, most charitable version of this.

944
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: He's like, what, how bad could it be?

945
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: It is? I think you're right.

946
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he maybe knew, But also I think

947
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: he he is a doctor in an astronaut and like

948
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: guys who wrote for Business Insider found this this lawsuit

949
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: from his former employee warning that the vessel was unsafe

950
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: a day after this thing went down. I have to

951
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: believe doctor Nasa man would like have found some of this,

952
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: like it wasn't hard. Again, Business Insider not the greatest

953
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: publication in the world, and they they locked this stuff

954
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: down right. So anyway, in that twenty nineteen Smithsonian article,

955
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: doctor Perezinski is fawning towards doctor's genius. It's not easy

956
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: to take a white shee of paper, come up with

957
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: a new submersible design, fund it, test it, and mature it.

958
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: It was an incredibly audacious thing to do, fair enough, certainly.

959
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: Audaciousacious, you know, not that hard, it turns out, but sure.

960
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: Not easy, I guess. Yeah. You know what else was audacious?

961
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: That guy who shot the Archbishop of Austria, Hungary. A

962
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: lot of people killed too, but audacious. Yeah, So.

963
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, cool stuff. Scott's job is again to make potential

964
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: clientele feel cool. Right, These are mostly a lot of

965
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: the kind of the cash crop that Stockton is hoping

966
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: to harvest is like late middle aged, super rich guys

967
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: who want to feel like Indiana Jones but don't know

968
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: how to do anything but shovel VC money into different

969
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: startups and hope that it makes them a profit. Right,

970
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: And so Scott's job is to be like, no, if

971
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: you do this, you're an explorer and you'll be in

972
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: this kind of like private club of deep sea explorers

973
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: with me, the cool astronaut guy. So a big part

974
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: of the work that this ad is doing is to

975
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: try to incite that feeling in people while also pruning

976
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: away the sense of embarrassment they naturally feel about paying

977
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: a quarter of a million dollars to see a grave site.

978
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: And I'm going to have Sophie play you another clip

979
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: from this fucking video.

980
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: This is not a thrill ride for tourists. It's much more.

981
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 5: It is an eight day, one of a kind experience.

982
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: You will be trained as a mission specialist and record

983
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 5: valuable findings.

984
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 8: A citizen scientist is also involved in the science.

985
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 3: They are doing jobs that are.

986
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 8: Essential to the scientific research, not just busy work. We

987
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 8: are looking at the process of degradation at the science.

988
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 8: We are trying to make a really good map of

989
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 8: the site and its current state.

990
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: This is not tourism. You're contributing. It's not a ride

991
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: at Disney. You know, there's a lot of real risk.

992
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: Then there's a lot of challenges we partnered with.

993
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: I. All of these things are what you tell a

994
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: five year old when you quote give them a job.

995
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: Yes, this is bonkers.

996
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, we're really going on a Star warship kids.

997
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: You know, as you take them to the Disney World

998
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Star Wars experience, it's so funny because too they keep

999
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: talking about like you're doing real work. But the closest

1000
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: they get to like saying anything scientific they're doing is like, yeah, we're.

1001
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: Gonna look at like how how it's falling.

1002
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: Apart, like you go down there. Yeah, the boat's still

1003
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: all fucked up. Guys, it's not it's not not sailing again.

1004
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: It hasn't reconstituted itself.

1005
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: My god.

1006
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it seems like ocean Gate they really

1007
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: wanted their customers because there it's very interesting. They cycle

1008
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: between being like, you know, this isn't a tour a

1009
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: throw ride, this is there's real danger here, but also

1010
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: like you're not going to die, like they have to

1011
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: get it's interesting. They have to get both of those

1012
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: things across to the clientele. Both like you're in danger

1013
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: because they don't want it to People don't want to

1014
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: feel like this is safe. They want to feel like

1015
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: they're explorers. But also you will not die if you

1016
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: do this. Those are the two things they're trying to

1017
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: get across in this video. Is this next clip will

1018
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: help to make clear.

1019
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 10: That it's very well engineered and very safe. But then

1020
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 10: the team is very focused on safety. First.

1021
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: The communication. It's really key, I think knowing that they never.

1022
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 11: Lost communication, not one second of me experiencing anything from

1023
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 11: otion Gate.

1024
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: Have I ever felt unsafe? As I pointed out on

1025
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: the bridge earlier, your safety plans all are unvessele.

1026
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 5: All mission specialists get to dive down to the Titanic,

1027
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 5: but the full experience entails much more.

1028
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: So hold that for a second, so because I may

1029
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: have you play another clip, but like, that's that's really interesting.

1030
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: Number one, it's come out since it went down that

1031
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: they were just lying on that part where they're like,

1032
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: at no point, maybe the old lady was telling the truth.

1033
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: But like there are repeated stories from numerous clients of

1034
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: it like losing contact. It was regular that it lost contact,

1035
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: and the attitude that fucking stocked and tried it pushes like, look,

1036
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: this is you know, an experimental sub something a little

1037
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, stuff's going to go wrong all the time,

1038
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, as long as the big thing, as long

1039
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: as it doesn't. Employees were fine. If you listen to

1040
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: James Cameron. Cameron, who was another guy who was started

1041
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: as an amateur and you know got into doing this

1042
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: stuff right, so he is kind of a good person

1043
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: to bring in here. Cameron's attitude was very much like, well, no,

1044
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: something shouldn't be going wrong. Every dive and when something

1045
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: major like comms goes wrong, you should go back to

1046
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: the drawing board and fix it before you keep going

1047
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: back down there. Like Cameron's vessel had three different methods

1048
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: of communicating with the ship above. It was so reliable

1049
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: that he would like take calls from his wife like

1050
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: while he was doing dives a bit like again, because

1051
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: he was taking it seriously, say what you went about

1052
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: James Cameron. After he nearly got ed Harris killed by

1053
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: the set of The Abyss, he took undersea safety a

1054
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: lot more seriously.

1055
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: It is like this thing where you're like, like, we

1056
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: all see James Cameron as like, I guess he's just

1057
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: the s tier dilettante.

1058
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is like a little you still.

1059
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: Kind of roll your eyes when you're like, oh, he

1060
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 2: did it, and then you like, now you see how

1061
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: a true dilettante could have done things, and you're like, oh,

1062
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: all right, we simply must hand it to James Cameron.

1063
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

1064
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: It is funny because like Cameron's background prior to becoming

1065
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: a film director was I think he'd been a school

1066
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: bus driver and dropped out of college. Hey, everybody quit correction,

1067
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: James Cameron was a truck driver and not a school

1068
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: bus driver before he got into directing. Sorry, I didn't

1069
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: mean to fuck up on my big Jym lore. But yeah,

1070
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: James Cameron interesting dude, but you know he's not. I

1071
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 1: think what it is is that, like all these tech

1072
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: dudes need to have that Elon Musk. Elon Musk puts

1073
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of effort into making people feel like he's

1074
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: an actual inventor, like making these impressive things that his

1075
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: companies make, and Cameron, on the other hand, seems more

1076
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: like a guy who's like, well, I want to do this.

1077
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: I want to be like diving down there. But I'm

1078
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: going to find the very best people in this industry

1079
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: and listen to whatever they have to say, as opposed

1080
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: to like, no, everyone but me is wrong. I'm going

1081
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: to make a sub that kills three billionaires. Yeah, anyway,

1082
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: very funny. Mike Reese is a Rice is a former.

1083
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: He used to be the showrunner for The Simpsons, and

1084
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it tells you how much money used to be in TV,

1085
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: writing that he was able to take four trips in

1086
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: the titan including one down to the Titanic, and he

1087
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: says that the ship lost Colms at some point in

1088
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: every one of his four voyages. Here's what he told

1089
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: ABC quote with no GPA. Rice said it took his

1090
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: crew three hours to find the Titanic, despite landing just

1091
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: five hundred yards from the ship. Rice, who served as

1092
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: show runner for The Simpsons, said he signed a waiver

1093
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: that mentions death three times on the first page. It

1094
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: is always in the back of your head that this

1095
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: is dangerous and any small problem will turn into a

1096
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: major catastrophe, which is I guess we'll see how well

1097
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: these these these disclosure or whatever permission slips go off

1098
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: in court.

1099
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1100
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Simpsons, win it. When all this shit

1101
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: about their like liability waivers came out, I kept thinking

1102
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: about that scene where Seymour takes them all to the

1103
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Civil War like fort as a as a school trip.

1104
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: They get in trouble and he winds up leaving several

1105
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 1: kids behind, and it's like hugging the permission slips. God

1106
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: bless the man who invented permission.

1107
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: Slip real did this this is your fault? Oh my god.

1108
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: So David Pogue, a journalist with CBS News who went

1109
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: on a trip with Ocean Gate, also mentioned this formidable

1110
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: waiver and once the titan went missing. He noted on

1111
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Twitter that while he was on the boat reporting on

1112
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: the company, a tour went out and got lost for

1113
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: five hours. He notes that after this, because this was

1114
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: so scary, Stockton considered adding a beacon. But yeah, and

1115
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: this wound up not being the thing that got them

1116
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: all killed. But it shows you the level of safety

1117
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: consciousness they have where it's like, oh wow, this is

1118
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: a real obvious danger.

1119
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: Better not do anything about it.

1120
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess in fairness, his point of view

1121
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: is like, listen, this thing isn't going to get lost.

1122
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: A beacon is truly wasted, Bundy. I know how this

1123
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: thing is gonna Uh how the end comes from this.

1124
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: I know everyone's going to die. We're good, No one's

1125
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: no one's suffocating on this thing. That is like the

1126
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: stocked in rush guarantee.

1127
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the problem is not going to be that

1128
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: you run out of air. Don't worry guys.

1129
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: But you know who never runs out of oxygen? The

1130
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: sponsors of this show that's right immune to dying. Ah,

1131
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: and we're back so talking about mister Stockton Rush. There

1132
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: is a point like when that ship went missing on

1133
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: Pogue's voyage and it has gone for like five hours

1134
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: when they can't communicate with it. Pogue noted in that

1135
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: Twitter thread that like they shut down the internet as

1136
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: soon as the boat stopped communicating. Well, and that actually

1137
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: that's a thing I will defend. People have been like, well,

1138
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: that's really shady. I actually disagree with that, because if

1139
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: you're running a trip like this, right, even if it's

1140
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: not like a death sub right, if you're just like

1141
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: taking people out on a boat and one of your

1142
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: boats goes missing, if I'm in charge of that boat,

1143
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: first thing I'm doing is turning off the Internet because

1144
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: if a bunch of people just died, they shouldn't find

1145
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: out about it, because some like TikTok dude posts the video,

1146
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, like, I'm not gonna give ocean Gate a

1147
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: lot of credit, but that is what.

1148
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: You would do with this they did. They did the

1149
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: right ish thing for obviously.

1150
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we could all be confident they did

1151
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: it for the wrong reason.

1152
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure they had a shady reason for wanting to

1153
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: do it, but but there is a justification for wanting

1154
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: people to not find out that they're like and I

1155
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess it is one of the real

1156
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: fucked up things to me is that like the wife

1157
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: of that that billionaire, the Pakistani billionaire who went down,

1158
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: and and like his son, she was like on the

1159
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: boat when they went missing, like she's on the like, which.

1160
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: Is pretty bad. Time up a lot of fucked up stuff.

1161
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: So the thing I keep coming back to is that

1162
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: all of the ship we've talked about about, how like

1163
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: all of the evidence that this thing was dangerous before

1164
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: it went down was easily available somewhere online. Prior to

1165
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: the titan setting out on its final voice, like credible

1166
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: people had pointed out that this was dangerous. And one

1167
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm most frustrated about is that,

1168
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: like none of the people in the media who are

1169
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: covering this thing once it starts actually getting to the

1170
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: Titanic bring any of this stuff right right and it's

1171
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: it's It's very interesting because like David Pogue's of CBS

1172
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: goes on a tour and like Pogue, I think his

1173
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: like coverage is absolutely irresponsible, Like there's not really any

1174
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: investigative rigor. He's not pointing out any of the signs

1175
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: that this thing is like dangerous, and his article is

1176
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: the video in the podcast that he does is basically

1177
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: pure praise, right where like when he talks about it, yeah,

1178
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: it's a disgusting puff piece, right, Like that's that's like

1179
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: there are parts of it that look almost identical to

1180
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: the ad video where he's like showing him around the

1181
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, all this footage of it diving and footage

1182
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: of like life on the boat, like it is super fawning.

1183
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Pogue did mention briefly that one of these butt like

1184
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: one of the trips got lost and they lost comms

1185
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: and stuff, but like he brings it up as like, well,

1186
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: it's still you know, not super tested technology, as opposed

1187
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: to like, well, this is a major problem and the

1188
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: boat shouldn't be back out until this gets solved. You know,

1189
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: there were other basic problems that should have drawn more

1190
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: scrutiny from journalists. For one, like, outside of the CBS report,

1191
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: Stockton also invited a BBC team to come film one

1192
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: of their dives as a pr thing imagig and that

1193
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: trip captures the looming disaster feel better than like when

1194
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: the documentary about this gets made, they're going to use

1195
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: clips from that BBC documentary because during this fucking dive

1196
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: that the BBC is there to film, I think two

1197
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: of the thrusters on this thing are installed backwards, like

1198
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: they put the engines on wrong, and so the boats

1199
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: spinning around in circles. And because there's a film crew there,

1200
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to just scrub the dive to fix it,

1201
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: so they figure out a way that the guy piloting

1202
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: it can like hold the con troller sideways so that

1203
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: it works.

1204
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: So they I mean, and there's new.

1205
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 2: Video game spirit. They're basically on take the cartridge out.

1206
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: And blow on it mode. It's wild that.

1207
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to play you a fairly long

1208
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: clip from this because it gives you an idea. It's

1209
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: kind of cutting between you know, mission controller whatever in

1210
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: the boat as they try to figure out how to

1211
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,959
Speaker 1: fix this, and it shows you how janky this whole

1212
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: process is.

1213
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, we have a problem.

1214
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 11: When I'm thrusting forward, one of the thrusters is thrusting

1215
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 11: backwards right now.

1216
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 5: Slowly.

1217
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: Thing I can do right now is the three sixty

1218
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: on the sticks now like the actual compsticks. Yeah, what

1219
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: is left and right?

1220
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: Uh?

1221
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 3: The right stick that's forward back, turn left, turn right?

1222
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: And what's happening when he's going forward? He's getting a turn?

1223
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 5: Got it?

1224
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: What's left it down and up? Okay, yeah what we

1225
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: calls that?

1226
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, by got one of those restaurant.

1227
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: I mean if you're a directional parts right, yeah it

1228
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: should be. But something happened. Yeah, what he can do?

1229
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 12: So on the controller you have the updown, left right

1230
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 12: arrows and you could set them so that one was

1231
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 12: going and then when every time you hit the crew

1232
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 12: the button, you would go forward. I hope he knows

1233
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 12: how to do this. I hate Jerome Stockton on Wendy's phone.

1234
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 12: Just call it back if you get a chance. We

1235
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 12: get a question on the dive right now, looking to

1236
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 12: see if there's a way to remap the PS three controller.

1237
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: NICs.

1238
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: So they are just like you and your friends playing

1239
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: like video games at like someone's thirteenth birthday.

1240
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: Party late at night.

1241
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: They're they're getting tripped up remapping a p S three

1242
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: controller like while these fuckers are underwater.

1243
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: God, it's JANKI like it really is this.

1244
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, people flipped out a lot about the fact, like

1245
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: they're using, you know, a gaming controller, which is not

1246
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: super weird for stuff like this. Like a lot of

1247
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: times it gets used because controllers, gaming controllers are pretty

1248
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: good at at at this kind of motion, but like

1249
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: this is the the jank, Like you should not be

1250
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: having to remap on the fly because whatever checklist you

1251
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: had for this thing before it went off, didn't make

1252
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: sure the engines were on right.

1253
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: Like that's that's pretty bad.

1254
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 1: Like if I get on a plane and they're like, hey, guys,

1255
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: we got to go back. Somebody put an engine on wrong.

1256
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna We're just gonna like figure it

1257
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: out in the air. Don't worry. No, I'm I am

1258
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: opening the emergency door and rolling out onto the tarmac.

1259
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going up in the sky in that thing.

1260
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: They're like, we just got to twist it and then

1261
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: it'll go in the right direction.

1262
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: Don't worry. It's so oh god, I'm sorry.

1263
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: There's nothing really to say, but it's so fucking bonkers

1264
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: that this was allowed to happen.

1265
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, it's it's nuts, and it's nuts that again,

1266
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: guys like Pogue are just talking about how cool this is,

1267
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: what a great and it's it's of course it works

1268
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: this way. For one thing, David Pogue is the kind

1269
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: of quote unquote journalist you bring in if you need,

1270
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: like a guy a dumb guy with a platform.

1271
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: To make your tech product look cooler than it is.

1272
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: Right, That's his actual job is to like pump up

1273
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: bad ideas from the tech industry. So he's a great

1274
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: dude for Stockton to work with here. And it's also

1275
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: like Stockton has a kind of gut level understanding of

1276
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: how awe inspiring being this deep below the ocean is

1277
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: and the fact that when you put people through experience

1278
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: is that intense. It creates like a bond and a

1279
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: sense of like emotional loyalty between folks on the journey

1280
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: in between them and the company. And he makes a

1281
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: lot of conscious use of that even in testimonials on

1282
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: this ad. The lady that you're about to hear first

1283
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: from on this clip that Sophy's gonna play is a

1284
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: former Master Chef contestant who paid for a trip to

1285
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: the bottom of the sea on this thing. And here's

1286
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: here talking about that kind of like emotional bond that

1287
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: people form on this thing.

1288
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 3: Here instantly became family and that's something that you.

1289
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: Take away for life, correct And like, you know, that's

1290
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: a silly thing to say about spending eight days with

1291
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of people on a boat, but I have

1292
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: no doubt that. After it's an intense peak experience. I'm

1293
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: sure she felt that way, you know, as there as

1294
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: they're all leaving from their time together. And Stockton understands

1295
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: this psychological phenomenon and he is he was making kind

1296
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: of very concerted use of it in order to pump

1297
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: his company. And this has made unsettlingly clear and how

1298
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: he responded to a lawsuit against Oceangate was launched in

1299
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: February of this year by a Florida couple who sued

1300
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: him for refusing to refund their one hundred and five

1301
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: thousand dollars tickets to see the Titanic in twenty eighteen.

1302
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: The trip was postponed repeatedly and they asked for a refund,

1303
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: and Rush keeps trying to get them on other dives.

1304
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: He's like, don't get a refund, just come out with

1305
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: us in a year, come out with us the year

1306
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: after that. You know, I can't give you your money back, basically,

1307
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: so they sue him. The case goes to court, and

1308
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: David Kinkannon, who is the ocean Gate company legal advisor,

1309
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: we heard from him earlier. He was the guy trying

1310
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: to blame the Coastguard for not working fast enough. He

1311
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 1: offered the federal judge who was hearing the case, Rebecca Smith,

1312
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: a free trip on Ocean Gate's boat to go down

1313
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: and see the Titanic, right like, as she's judged, He's like, look, judge,

1314
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: you can't properly, you know, adjudicate this case if you

1315
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: haven't been to see the Titanic, you know, why don't

1316
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,520
Speaker 1: we take you on a free journey to the Titanic.

1317
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: Which number one seems illegal.

1318
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 2: Both in terms of bribery and now in retrospect, making

1319
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: credible death threats against a sitting judge seems like it

1320
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a felady too.

1321
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: What's wild is according to The New York Times is reporting,

1322
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: she seemed down to quote, perhaps if another expedition occurs

1323
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: in the future, I will be able to do so,

1324
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: the judge road in May, adding, after here many years

1325
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: of hearing cases about the Titanic wreckage, that opportunity would

1326
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: be quite informative and present a first eyes on view

1327
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: of the rex site by the court.

1328
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 3: Fucking God. So, because this is.

1329
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: Like, you know, there's there's legal cases around like shit

1330
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: that gets pulled up like that's why they declared that

1331
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: they can't like sell random shit from the Titanic. They

1332
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: had to like take it all together, you know. They

1333
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: could sell like access to it as like a you know,

1334
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: we've got all this shit in Vegas. You can pay

1335
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: to go see it there. You can make money from that.

1336
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: But you can't just sell random shit that got adjudicated

1337
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: in this court, which is why when the Ocean Gate

1338
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: got sued wound up in front of this judge for

1339
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: whatever reason, she was like the district or whatever that

1340
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: they've picked for Titanic shit, and so basically like there

1341
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: was there was kind of a quasi justification. You can

1342
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: see the judge being like, maybe I should go, you know,

1343
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe I do need to see the Titanic, but it's

1344
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: also clearly stocked and trying to get her in his

1345
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: weird little boat Colt, you know. And it's what's equally

1346
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: unsettling is that in this legal filing where the judge

1347
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: is like, this seems like it could be a good idea.

1348
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: There are serious unreported issues revealed with the titan Quote.

1349
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: On the first dive to the Titanic, the submersipal encountered

1350
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: a battery issue and had to be manually attached to

1351
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: its lifting platform. The company's legal and operational advisor, David

1352
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: Kincannon wrote in the document, which was filed in the

1353
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the

1354
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: submersipal sustained modest damage to its exterior, he wrote, leading

1355
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: ocean Gate to cancel the mission so it could make repairs.

1356
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: So now it's it's it's it's cool that this judge

1357
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: was still like, I don't know, maybe I'll maybe I'll go.

1358
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, no one can calculate risk, I guess

1359
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,440
Speaker 2: is the clear lesson.

1360
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 3: They really like the Titanic.

1361
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's the lesson of the Titanic. People are

1362
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: bad at calculating risks, And it's also the lesson of

1363
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: the Titanic fandom that they're bad at calculating risks.

1364
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1365
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: So, as we've talked about in the ads and the

1366
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: pr materials, Oceangate made a big deal about the fact

1367
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: that their customers are citizens, scientists. One of the things

1368
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: that's weird to me about that David Pogue interview is

1369
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: that Stockton does not treat them this way when he's

1370
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: talking to Pogue.

1371
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 3: Quote.

1372
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: So we have clients that are Titanic enthusiasts, which we

1373
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: refer to as Titaniacs. Some of their Some of those

1374
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: folks are affluent and some are not. So we've had

1375
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: people who have mortgaged their home to come and do

1376
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: the trip, and we have people who don't think twice

1377
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: about a trip of this cost. We have one gentleman

1378
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: who had won the lottery. The first tickets had been

1379
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: sold for one hundred and five thousand, one hundred and

1380
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 1: twenty nine dollars, the inflation adjusted cost of a first

1381
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: class berth on the Titanic. But according to Pogue, then

1382
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: Stockton Rush saw how much people were willing to pay

1383
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: to go to space, and he thought, man, I'm leaving

1384
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: money on the table. So a couple of things there.

1385
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: Number one, it does feel like you're kind of tempting

1386
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: fate by being about, like, well, let's charge as much

1387
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: as it costs people on the Titanic to go die,

1388
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: you know see. But then to to both have like

1389
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: gone through that and then see Jeff Bezos fly people

1390
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: up and be like, oh shit, we can actually make

1391
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: way more money off these rubes. Right, very cool, great

1392
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: science that you're bringing these these these citizens scientists, And.

1393
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a scientist, a citizen scientist, get the fuck

1394
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: out of here.

1395
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do an expedition to see

1396
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: how much money I can make off of you. We're

1397
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: going to really expand the bands of the bounds of

1398
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: human knowledge are e how much cash I can take

1399
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: out if your fucking wallet. And again, I haven't actually

1400
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: found any evidence of like science that result from the

1401
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: trips that these guys did, because they took like twenty

1402
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: eight people or so down before this all went to shit.

1403
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: I haven't found evidence of like real science that they accomplished.

1404
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 1: But when you watch the ad, it becomes very clear

1405
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: that the primary purpose of the because they have scientists,

1406
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 1: actual scientists and other experts that they bring on every

1407
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: voyage and their job is to make these customers feel spending. Again,

1408
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: it's amazing they're LARPing, right. It's like if you brought

1409
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: in like it's like if you were doing I don't know,

1410
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: like a fucking Ukraine War larp and you hired some

1411
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: like actual veteran Ukrainian soldiers to come in so that

1412
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: like some fucking airsofters would feel like they've got the

1413
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: real trench experience, right, which I'm sure is going to

1414
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: happen in like six months, right, but yeah, I want

1415
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: to play you another clip here.

1416
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 5: Maybe best of all are the one on ones with

1417
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 5: experts like Commander Paul Henri Narjalais, leader of thirty dives

1418
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: to the Titanic rec site. He and other world class

1419
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 5: experts will be on all our missions to give you

1420
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 5: an unrivaled up close and personal Ocean Gate Titanic experience.

1421
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 13: So for me, it's very well done because it's simple.

1422
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 13: Lee's a lot of equipment and a lot of switch

1423
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 13: and on this one you don't have because you work

1424
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 13: with a screen and with a keyboard, and it's very

1425
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 13: easy to do that.

1426
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 3: If you are not only.

1427
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 13: Your passenger sit and waiting that the time is running

1428
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 13: and just looking outside, you can do something inside. You

1429
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 13: can be really a member of the team and are

1430
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 13: that great.

1431
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It's like a checklist at the Rainforest Cafe.

1432
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: It's like a little scavenger hunt.

1433
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: It is sad, and it's like at one point, fucking

1434
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: Stockton gets asked like are you basically coming up with

1435
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: busy work and he was like, well, yeah, kinda yeah, yeah.

1436
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: They're all like seven year olds that you want to

1437
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: give them a job, hand them a fake self, let

1438
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: them pretend that they're they're taking an important.

1439
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: Note, a little little child steering wheel, like they can

1440
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: just turn back and forth.

1441
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: The French guy that we heard there was was Paul

1442
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: Henri Nargiolis or pH As like he tended to be called.

1443
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: And his nickname was mister Titanic because he's done more

1444
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: dives down to the reck side, or he had done

1445
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: more dives down to the reck site, like thirty five

1446
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: I think than anybody else. He was a subcommander for

1447
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: the French Navy. And when when when everyone died, folks

1448
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,440
Speaker 1: were like, it's a bummer that this like working class

1449
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, dude went down with them.

1450
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: Again.

1451
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, you know, cheer these deaths.

1452
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: Don't cheer these deaths. He was not like a he's

1453
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: not like a blue collar leather neck with like a

1454
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: copy of fucking Bruce Springsteen album in his in his

1455
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: in his hat band. In addition, he was you know,

1456
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: he's obviously he's He was an extreme, one of the

1457
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: most accomplished submersible pilots in history. He also like ran

1458
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: it started and ran several different deep sea like equipment

1459
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: companies which he sold. He was on the board of

1460
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: I believe it was an LLC that had the salvage

1461
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: rights to the Titanic. He was one of the guys

1462
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: when we talked about this process of taking a bunch

1463
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: of shit fifty five hundred items from the Titanic, which

1464
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: then wound up like touring Las Vegas and stuff as

1465
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 1: a thing people could pay to go see. He's helping

1466
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: to run the company that does that as well. You know,

1467
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: Bob Ballard kind of insinuated that this stuff was grave robbing.

1468
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm not calling a dead man a grave robber. I

1469
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: don't know that Ballard was. I think it's his exact

1470
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: status within the industry is kind of unclear to me.

1471
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: But he's not just a working class subpilot. He was

1472
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: worth about one and a half billion dollars like this.

1473
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: He is also like an entrepreneur right.

1474
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 3: Now.

1475
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: Nargalais is again definitely a respected figure for his diving acumen.

1476
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: I suspect one reason that he was brought onto the

1477
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,919
Speaker 1: project is because he's huge within the Titanic superfan community.

1478
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: He's done so many dives down there, and his fame

1479
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: would act as an advertisement. Specifically, Nargalai's fame would act

1480
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: as an advertisement to the people who are like real

1481
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: big Titanic nerds, and David Pogue talks to one of

1482
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: these customers in his series, a woman named Renato Rojas.

1483
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: Renata worked for a bank. She I think probably would

1484
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: describe herself as like upper middle class. She's not a billionaire,

1485
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: she says, she's not even a multi millionaire, So I

1486
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: think this is someone who is well off, but not

1487
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: like a plutocrat, right, not someone who can like buy

1488
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: an election. But she's got enough that she could spend

1489
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and five thousand dollars on this because she's

1490
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: kind of nuts about the titanium, right, which is one

1491
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: chunk of it. You know, maybe Stockton was lying when

1492
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: he said people mortgage their homes for this, but like

1493
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: that's not outside of the bounds of Like there's definitely

1494
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: Titanic fans who would do something like, you know, burn

1495
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: their life savings to get to go on this thing.

1496
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: Those guys exist too, which is interesting to me. And

1497
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: she makes the note or she says like when she's

1498
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: interviewed by Pogue, Pogue asks, like, when you told people

1499
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: that you were spending almost the price of a small

1500
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: house to do this one day trip.

1501
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 3: Did you get any reactions?

1502
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: And Renata was like, most people think I'm crazy by

1503
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: spending all this money and trying to go down to

1504
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 1: see Titanic. My response is, dreams don't have a price.

1505
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: Some people want a Ferrari, some people have children, some

1506
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: people buy a house. I wanted to go to Titanic,

1507
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like, first off, I feel like that's

1508
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: kind of crazy.

1509
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 3: I do.

1510
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's nuts, But also that's fine. Like,

1511
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you're willing to die or

1512
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: risk death to go see this boat and you're willing

1513
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: to burn up all of your money to do it, sure,

1514
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: why not?

1515
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 3: Like really, when it.

1516
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: Comes down to it, I'm not going to get bent

1517
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: out of shape when you die. But like, okay, everyone

1518
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: has the right to want to love something so much

1519
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: that it kills them, even if that thing is a

1520
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: actively stupid.

1521
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: I do believe that, right, So I guess whatever.

1522
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: Now I will say I am happy that like when

1523
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: this thing went down, It's again, all of the people

1524
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: on this boat, with the exception of that nineteen year old,

1525
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: had the resources and the experience to know that what

1526
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: they were doing was silly and like they kill them right,

1527
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: all of them had the ability to be informed of everything.

1528
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: I brought up in this episode about how like slipshod

1529
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: this thing was. I am glad that like Ranata or

1530
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: some other harmless Titanic maniac was not on the sub

1531
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: when it went down. You know, it was people who

1532
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: absolutely had the resources to know better. I don't know,

1533
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: you can you can feel about that however you want,

1534
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: but it seems at least like less fucked up to

1535
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: me than if it had been a bunch of people

1536
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: who saw that the movie seventy seven times in theaters

1537
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: and like poured their pension into fucking Russian Gate. And

1538
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: the Titanic movie is kind of the thing that looms

1539
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 1: over all this hubbub from the day that it's sunk.

1540
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: The boat captured people's imaginations, both because of how many

1541
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: people died on it and because they were all rich

1542
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: and famous. There's all this mystery. James Cameron turned that

1543
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: fascination into a modern fandom, which I will say, I

1544
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's cynical for James, Like he wasn't doing

1545
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: this to cash in on the Titanic, Like obviously he's

1546
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: obsessed with it too. He is the biggest of the

1547
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: crazy Titanic maniacs, right Like, does seem legitimate for him,

1548
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: But Ocean Gate definitely kind of callously cashed in on

1549
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: the film, and you can see some of this in

1550
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: the ad which apparently when you finish the dive, they

1551
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: would let you pose with like a replica of the

1552
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: heart of the Ocean and take pictures, which is both

1553
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: a fundamental misunderstanding of the movie. Right she like dumps

1554
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: it in the ocean because these guys are obsessed with it,

1555
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: and it's like disrespectful because of all of this person

1556
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: she loved died, All of these people died, and all

1557
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: they care about is this stupid piece of glittery jewelry,

1558
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: right Like, I think that's that's one of the things

1559
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: that Cameron is saying in the movie. And then they're like, hey, guys,

1560
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: pose with this thing. Take a picture with it right

1561
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: above the graveyard. Anyway, play the clip, Sophy.

1562
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 3: Next dive.

1563
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 5: Excitement, Thrills, an adventure on the high seas.

1564
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 4: I just loved every minute of it.

1565
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 8: It has exceeded anything I thought it could ever be.

1566
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 3: Titanic is the ultimate dream.

1567
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 14: I mean, this is definitely probably one of the most unique,

1568
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 14: interesting things I've ever done, even going to you know,

1569
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 14: I've been to Everest, but this is more unique this.

1570
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 4: Of course, guys spent Ever.

1571
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 11: I think there's more in the I think there's more

1572
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 11: in the clip, but of course that guy spent Everes.

1573
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 3: Yes, was the dream come true. But as I look at.

1574
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 14: This will no doubt be the best experience of my

1575
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 14: entire life.

1576
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 5: Come join us on our next expedition. Don't miss the

1577
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 5: opportunity to be part of history, the Ocean Gate Titanic experience.

1578
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 3: There's truly nothing else like it.

1579
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 2: I mean.

1580
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: That is true. There is nothing like imploding. You know,

1581
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: it is a unique you know, lots of people. Look,

1582
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: a ton of rich people know what it's like to

1583
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: die of gradual hypoxia atop Mount Everest. You know, very

1584
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: few rich people have imploded at the bottom of the sea.

1585
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: You could be one of the one of the few.

1586
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, to mind blowingly uh like like they're like

1587
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 11: blissfully ignorant. They're like choosing to to not educate themselves,

1588
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 11: and it's like it's sad.

1589
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, and it's also just you can see it's such

1590
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: like a he's marketing this again. He really is like

1591
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: a modern Hammond figure from the Jurassic Park. He's marketing

1592
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: this is like, this can be a part of the

1593
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh your friends did Everest. You know, they paid one

1594
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: hundred grand or whatever it takes to like force to

1595
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: like make you know, they paid all that money to

1596
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: have locals like stop them from dying on the big

1597
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: stupid mountain that rich people want to climb because it's

1598
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: it's the one that rich people climb. Well, good news.

1599
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: You can impress your friends with the thing that they

1600
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: haven't done. You know, they haven't been Titanic yet, so

1601
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: you'll have loved him.

1602
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 4: Fucking l Ron Hubbard.

1603
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: First off, l Ron Hubbard absolutely would have loved this,

1604
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: and second l R H never would have gotten on

1605
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 1: that submer.

1606
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1607
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 3: If there was one thing that man.

1608
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 4: Understood, it was yah, you would have set children.

1609
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: A kid film it for him. Get one of my

1610
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: boys down there.

1611
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 2: Honestly, the fact that like like a Tom Cruise type

1612
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: or I guess Tom Cruise specifically hasn't been on this

1613
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: thing has to be due to the fact that scientology

1614
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: handlers literally googled this and when he inevitably was offered

1615
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: and they were like Nah, you're not doing this.

1616
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I honestly, I feel like Tom Cruise

1617
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: never would have done something like all of the He's

1618
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: like James Cameron, Right, he'll do insane shit, that's a risk,

1619
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: but he's going to like do it methodically by best

1620
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: practices because he doesn't have a death wish, right, and

1621
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: he's not like there's a degree for whatever else is

1622
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 1: going on in Tom Cruise's head. He's able to rationally

1623
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: a praise risk to his body.

1624
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, absolutely it's wild.

1625
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: But these people were not. Now I haven't seen like

1626
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: a perfect list of all the folks who went down

1627
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: on these trips or who had booked tickets. The success

1628
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: of their first trip to the Titanic in twenty twenty

1629
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: one brought a lot of new investments. That's when like

1630
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: they started really getting money like pumped into them. But

1631
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,440
Speaker 1: from what we're shown on screening in the customer testimonials,

1632
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 1: I tend to suspect that the client list was an

1633
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: even split of like super rich people who are doing

1634
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: this to impress, just to impress their friends. Right, they're

1635
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: in the they're like Hamish was right where they have

1636
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: this their adventurer travelers right, they're paying for these kind

1637
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: of peak adventure experiences. And then the other half of

1638
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: them are crazed Titanic fans, some of whom are also

1639
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: super super rich, and some of whom are just kind

1640
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: of like normal rich, you know. So Pogue's story gives

1641
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: us some context on one of the crazy rich adventure

1642
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: seekers too. Most of our fellow expeditioners were rich people

1643
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: seeking adventure, like a hedge fund guy with his son,

1644
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,879
Speaker 1: an artificial intelligence pioneer who'd sold a bunch of companies,

1645
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: and Shinrick Baldota, who runs a massive industrial conglomerate in India. Pogue,

1646
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 1: and you have a nickname, Shinrick.

1647
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1648
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: They call me the wild Monk Pogue, the wild Monk Shinrick, Yeah,

1649
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: because I look like a monk. I'm very calm, but

1650
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: I have these dream interest that I do. Going to

1651
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: a live volcano in Vanadu two times, to an article

1652
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: on an edge of spaceflight. It's seventy thousand feet in

1653
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 1: the mid twenty nine, swimming with the blue whales, catching

1654
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: crocodiles in Botswana with National Geographic So like again, he's

1655
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: just like listing this like like a like a rich

1656
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: kidst like everything he got for his birthday that year.

1657
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: He's I got this, I get this, and I get

1658
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: to who is and you know, I get to go

1659
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: to space in a mid twenty nine May.

1660
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1661
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: It really is like just like you know, toxic masculinity

1662
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: will continue to kill people, but this is genuinely pathetic.

1663
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's such an insult to like actual exploration.

1664
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: I think about like the Apollo like whichever I always

1665
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: forget was it eleven?

1666
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 3: I No, I wasn't eleven.

1667
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: That was the first one that actually made it there.

1668
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: But like the moon landing guys, right, all of whom

1669
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: had like one of the I think it was Apollo one,

1670
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: like it it fucked up on the landing pad and

1671
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: caught on fire inside and because there was like too

1672
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: heavy O two in the mixture, like all of these

1673
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: guys like burnt to death horribly, nightmarishly, and like the

1674
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: dudes who landed on the moon were their friends and

1675
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: knew that, and like and still knowing that, decided like, no,

1676
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: fuck this shit, we are like we are going to

1677
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: go into space and do this thing because it will

1678
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: expand the bonds of human like knowledge and achievement in

1679
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: a way that matters it's worth our lives to do

1680
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: this thing like this kind of like breathtaking and honestly

1681
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: to a degree like selfless willingness to explore, which is

1682
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, you see the same shit with like Yuri

1683
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: gegaron right, it's like speaks to some of the best

1684
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: things in us, and then these guys being like what

1685
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: if we commodify, Like I am willing to commodify this.

1686
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I want to buy a ticket so that I can

1687
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 1: pretend to be that guy. As long as you promise

1688
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: me I'm safe, you know, as long as like I

1689
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: get I want to afterwards, I'll play up the danger,

1690
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: but like I don't really want to die. There's a

1691
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: story that came out a couple of weeks ago about

1692
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,440
Speaker 1: this this fucking I think he was an Instagram influencer

1693
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: who like did a bunch of mountain climbs with gram It.

1694
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a TikTok guy, but like he was

1695
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: one of these dudes who does these like things in

1696
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: films himself, so everybody thinks that he's you know, like, oh,

1697
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: what a cool, adventurous life you lead, And like things

1698
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: went wrong on Everest and the one of the shrip

1699
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: is on his team carried him down the mountain on

1700
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: his back, which is that guy is risking his own

1701
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: life for you. It is so hard to save people

1702
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: on Everest, Like not only is like hiking down a mountain,

1703
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: like hiking down a gentle hill slope with a human

1704
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: being in gear on your back is a lot for

1705
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: most people. And this guy goes down Everest that way,

1706
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: and afterwards, this fucking influencer dude like blocks him on

1707
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 1: TikTok or Instagram whatever happy is because he doesn't. He's

1708
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: ashamed that, like the guy had to save him that,

1709
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: like he didn't get to pretend to be the big

1710
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: bold adventurer, Like it fucked up his brand that he

1711
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: had been saved by this. Like any reasonable person somebody

1712
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: does that for you, Like that dude's going in the

1713
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: will right, like you know, like you take care of

1714
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Like that's like the most incredible thing a person could

1715
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: do for another person is like gamble their life to

1716
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: save you. And like it speaks to the attitude of

1717
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: these fucking adventure traveler, dark tourist freak gasp motherfuckers.

1718
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it presumably has been what it's always been.

1719
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 2: We just now have like the evidence of things like

1720
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: blocking someone on Instagram or whatever that. Yeah, you know,

1721
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: it's not like they were. They were better before you

1722
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: got to imagine.

1723
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. I mean some of them were.

1724
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I know the guy I think was Edmund Hillary, who

1725
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: was like one of the like he and Tenzig Norgay,

1726
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,839
Speaker 1: who was a sharp like with a first summ at Everest,

1727
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, they both worked it out

1728
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to where like they basically would not let anyone know

1729
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 1: who was the first. That was kind of important to

1730
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: Hillary because he wanted he didn't want to just like

1731
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: for Norgay to get forgotten, right, because he was like, well,

1732
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: obviously I wouldn't have made it up without this guy.

1733
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: We did this together. Like again, the difference between an

1734
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: actual explorer, which Hillary for sure was, and what these

1735
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: people are doing. You know, it's even the difference between

1736
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like fucking James Cameron and what these people are doing. Anyway,

1737
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Big Jim, So what are we gonna do? So there

1738
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: keeps being stuff come out about this, Like right before

1739
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 1: this episode went out, I ran across the story about

1740
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: a guy named Arthur Loible who was He's one of

1741
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: the guys who went down to the Titanic with Ocean Gate.

1742
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: His first trip was delayed by five hours because of

1743
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:53,839
Speaker 1: electrical issues, and the second dive was abandoned for unknown reasons.

1744
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: And then on on the Titans' fifth dive, which he

1745
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: was down for before it left, a bread from a

1746
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,480
Speaker 1: balancing tube on the vessel broke off and they reattached

1747
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: it with zip ties and like you know, again, plenty

1748
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: of signs.

1749
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 3: Look, it's one of those things.

1750
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: If like Loibel had been on this thing when it

1751
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: imploded or Shinrik, you know, I don't think I would

1752
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: have cared too much about it, and I don't really

1753
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad. Everyone here should have known what

1754
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: they were getting themselves into, and they made a choice.

1755
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1756
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, Hamish Harding made his money in the private

1757
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: jet industry and was a seasoned adventure tourist. He had

1758
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: every opportunity to understand this was a bad idea. I

1759
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: think he just wanted, you know, he was a gambler

1760
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and I think he was

1761
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of addicted to this. And I don't know about

1762
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 1: Nargalais Cameron. James Cameron didn't appearance because he and pH

1763
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: were friends and he was like I don't understand it, Like,

1764
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me why he did this.

1765
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 3: I don't know the guy.

1766
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze him. I did

1767
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: find interviews with him where he would talk about stuff

1768
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: like when he was at the bottom, you know, in

1769
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: earlier dives near the Titanic, he would find himself almost

1770
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,919
Speaker 1: staying to the point where his batteries couldn't handle it anymore,

1771
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: or where like his oxygen was kind of low, and

1772
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: have to like force himself to come back up. He

1773
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: was just so entranced down there. And I don't think

1774
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: he obviously I'm not saying I don't think he was

1775
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: like suicidal, but he talked a lot about how you know,

1776
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: if it goes wrong, you're dead before you realize anything

1777
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: is wrong. He was an old man, he was in

1778
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: his seventies. I think he had just kind of made

1779
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: peace with the fact that this was what he loved

1780
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: and he would take do anything he could to get

1781
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: down there, and you know, if he dies, he dies.

1782
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: So I don't feel bad for him. Again, he made

1783
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: a a a certainly an educated choice to be in

1784
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: that situation. I certainly the only one I'm actively glad

1785
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: about is rush because he deserved he got all these

1786
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: people killed. He would have gotten more people killed, and

1787
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: he would have like become a made money helping to

1788
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: frack the planet if he could have.

1789
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 3: Like fuck, I mean, he's like, like he's.

1790
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: A very smirking piece of video to who really does

1791
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 2: just like this.

1792
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's if you're not going to feel like

1793
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 3: any stuff.

1794
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 2: Like this is justified, you know, fine, But like the

1795
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: man was literally asking for it several times on video.

1796
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: Yes, he desperately what he begged the universe to kill

1797
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: him at the bottom of the ocean, and like, so

1798
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I will say, the only person I really do feel

1799
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: bad about on that boat was Suliman Dahwood. It was

1800
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: that the nineteen year old son of Shazahwa Dahwood, who

1801
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: was a Pakistani billionaire. He was obsessed with the Titanic.

1802
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: He was kind of an adventure tourist previously. He desperately

1803
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: wanted to do this. One family source says that Shazada

1804
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 1: or that Suliman his kid, was like really scared and

1805
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: didn't want to do this, but like it was father's day.

1806
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: This was like kind of their father's day thing that

1807
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,759
Speaker 1: they were doing, and he felt like kind of pressured

1808
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: to go with his dad. Another article I read said

1809
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: that he was going to try to like do a

1810
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Rubik's cube at the bottom of the sea and like

1811
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: be the first person to do that. I don't know,

1812
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he was the one who was

1813
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: both being pressured by his dad, which is not a situation.

1814
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: That's like most nineteen year olds are capable of being

1815
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: pressured by their parents and also not doesn't have the

1816
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: life experience to have known what he was getting himself into.

1817
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel it all bad for the rest of them.

1818
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: They all made their bed and now they get imploded

1819
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: in it.

1820
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, I know that's that's like the clear

1821
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 2: dark moment in this and then everything else. That's really like,

1822
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: especially the more you learn it is like these people

1823
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: are unbelievably repellent.

1824
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they chose this. They chose to like make

1825
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: a dumb gamble. It's like feeling bad that somebody puts

1826
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: their life savings on like twenty one black on a

1827
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: craps table. Well, I guess that sucks for you, but

1828
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: like what did you did you really think that was

1829
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: good work? Yeah?

1830
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, this is like this is like to put

1831
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: your money where your mouth is of like all my

1832
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 2: apes are gone, Like yeah.

1833
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, are you laughing at the fact that, like,

1834
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, somebody lost their life saving by by far.

1835
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 2: The least this time we could we could have a chuckle.

1836
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 3: You know what? Maybe maybe yeah.

1837
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: This is also one of the first episodes I've been

1838
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 2: on where something resembling justice happened.

1839
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know where I am.

1840
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Like one thing I'm frustrated about is that, from what

1841
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I can tell, a lot of like mainstream sources are

1842
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,839
Speaker 1: trying to portray him as like this this tragic figure

1843
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,839
Speaker 1: where he was he just loved exploration. He was pushing

1844
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: boundaries so much, and you know, this horrible, horrible thing happened.

1845
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: We're like, no, this is the already of a drunk driver, right,

1846
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: Like this is like it's like if it's like if

1847
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 1: a guy like crashes his fucking car into a school

1848
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: bus because he's hammered, and he's like, well, he was

1849
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: boldly experimenting with how much cocaine and vodka he could

1850
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,799
Speaker 1: manage a motor vehicle on. You know, he was pushing

1851
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 1: the frontiers of human knowledge.

1852
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 2: He's certainly pushing pushing, but it's like, come on, yeah,

1853
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 2: the fuckers.

1854
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 3: A dumb one.

1855
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what's the dumbest boat that you can get

1856
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: people killed on?

1857
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1858
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Like again, and you know the folks that are that all,

1859
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: they get all onry about like, well, people have died,

1860
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: so we have to like be super somber about it.

1861
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, if that's the way you want to react,

1862
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 1: we can. But like I do, remember how the most

1863
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 1: popular thing on the old Internet was the fucking Darwin Awards,

1864
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,759
Speaker 1: and say what you want about it. But sometimes people

1865
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: do stuff that makes it hard to be sympathetic for them,

1866
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, like if you, if you, if you pay

1867
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 1: to compete in the International Russian Roulette Championships, I'm not

1868
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: going to feel bad if you.

1869
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 3: Yourself, you know, like you got you. You were the

1870
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 3: one who chose to do that, no one made you do.

1871
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 2: I think it's just like all the sympathy stuff, it's

1872
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 2: like that is so unbelievably asymmetric, you know. Again, I

1873
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 2: think my response to that, I think I said a

1874
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 2: last episode is like fine, if you if you don't

1875
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 2: think it's appropriate, you know, to quote hate these people.

1876
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 2: I just know that I personally love them less than

1877
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: anyone else who was inconvenienced unfairly ya this week.

1878
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 3: That's all. That's where I'm at. I love them less

1879
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 3: than that.

1880
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: I also love them less than any amount of money

1881
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 2: we spent trying to find them.

1882
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 3: But that's fine. Yeah, quote unquote.

1883
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: That's a whole that's that's a whole other conversation too,

1884
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 1: because like, I don't know, I think the coast guards

1885
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 1: attitude is reasonable where they're like, well, we don't we

1886
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: don't talk about like what it costs, like we are

1887
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: not We do not make rescuing people into like a

1888
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, a cast benefits sort of thing, like that

1889
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: is not what the Coastguard's job is. I do feel

1890
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: like maybe we as a culture should have a conversation about,

1891
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: like when do we make rich people pay for getting

1892
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 1: rescued in situations like this?

1893
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1894
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

1895
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: It's probably good for the Coastguard to not ever think

1896
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: about things that way, right, same thing with like any

1897
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of search and rescue people. Yeah, that's not what

1898
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: they're there for. It's like a firefight. Firefighter shouldn't be calculating,

1899
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, to what extent is this how much is

1900
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: this house worth versus.

1901
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 3: How much is this costing?

1902
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: But like if you choose to live in the middle

1903
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 1: of like a fireplane and like burn your trash every day,

1904
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe some of like if there's

1905
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 1: a fire, maybe you should get in trouble.

1906
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, like whatever. Yeah.

1907
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 2: The counterpoint to that, though, is that like firefighters, maybe

1908
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 2: not individual firefighters or fire captains. It's not you know,

1909
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 2: they're not exactly calculating the value of a home, but

1910
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: the fact, you know, there is asymmetric service for different areas,

1911
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 2: and those just so happened to line up with race

1912
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 2: and socioeconomics. So like there's a world where like making

1913
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 2: it a soft policy that gets violated in like soft

1914
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 2: ways is actually contributing more to the inequity. Like again,

1915
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 2: lots of other people died even at sea last week,

1916
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 2: and you know.

1917
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 3: These guys for sure got top tier service.

1918
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: No, they got more money has been spent on them

1919
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: than has been spent like rescuing refugees whose boats you know,

1920
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: capsized in the Mediterranean. Probably ever, like maybe ever, and

1921
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: again I do think you know, look mea kopa here,

1922
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I just spent a whole week talking about Stockton Rush.

1923
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: And it's because like I don't know, I thought it

1924
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: was interesting, and this is what I decided to read about. Course, right,

1925
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: there's an extent to which, like I was just follow

1926
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: the story because I'm fascinated by stories of like Hubris,

1927
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: like especially like tech Ass and Hubris. And at a

1928
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: certain point last week it was like, oh shit, I

1929
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: ran out of time to research anything else. I guess

1930
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: we're talking stock and Rush.

1931
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 3: But it is.

1932
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: I mean, what I do think is amazing about this

1933
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: is that it is like a perfect, perfect like Icarus story.

1934
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Like it really is like the whole thing, like every

1935
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: beat down to the last beat. Yeah, like last story. Note,

1936
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:33,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing if I may, it's anyway.

1937
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Dickarus. Yeah's is all right?

1938
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Well listen, folks, that's the episode. If people try to

1939
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, this guy was an explorer, you can

1940
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: now tell them why they're wrong. But if a friend

1941
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 1: of yours, someone you know, or whatever brings up a

1942
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about how like these people got murdered, because

1943
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: it won't expose that the Titanic was blown up with

1944
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: a bomb to stop people from you know, opposing the

1945
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Federal you know, uh or the FED or the moving

1946
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: away from the gold standard. Right, if you want to

1947
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: do that ship, if that's, if that's, if that's, if

1948
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: that gets brought up to you, just make sure that

1949
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: person knows that stocked and rushed his granddad or whatever

1950
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: was running bohemian growth. You know, throw that in there.

1951
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,679
Speaker 1: You can add, you can make the problem worse. Why

1952
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: not at this point, Yeah, you know, might as well.

1953
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,959
Speaker 2: Right, if they're gonna believe that ship, there's no saving them.

1954
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, give them, give them a little something, something more

1955
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 3: to think about.

1956
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrew, anything you want to plus, Uh.

1957
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, Oh, I'll just I'll just do a

1958
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 3: quick plug.

1959
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 2: I know we're off sync on timing, okay, uh yeah,

1960
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 2: let's see my podcast is you know.

1961
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,560
Speaker 3: Is this racist? And we do premium episodes.

1962
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Uh, you could subscribe at suboptinal pods dot com, which

1963
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 2: is where we do the non racist fun stuff.

1964
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, if.

1965
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 2: You've enjoyed any.

1966
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 3: Of my bullshit, check it out.

1967
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 1: Please whoa, Yes, check out Andrew t guest Extraordinarior and

1968
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: the next time, the next time multi millionaire you know,

1969
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: son of an oil dynasty asks if you want to

1970
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: see the bottom of the ocean, you don't do whatever

1971
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 1: you want to do.

1972
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm not your fucking dad, Like pretty sure Robert saw

1973
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 2: your dad.

1974
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 4: Okay Bye. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool

1975
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 4: Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media, visit our

1976
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 4: website coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the

1977
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.