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Speaker 1: I'm such a fan Rob Reiner. The I know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna blush, but you are great. The great writer, director, producer, actor,

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Speaker 1: child of the Hollywood film business from New York, director

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Speaker 1: of the Princess Bride, when Harry met Sally. A few

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Speaker 1: good men. This is fucking spinal tap misery. The American

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Speaker 1: President acted in so many things, of course, just an advocate,

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Speaker 1: an outspoken advocate, and now a podcaster my life. You

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Speaker 1: have your documentary defending My Life with Albert Brooks, the

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Speaker 1: great Albert Brooks, which that must have been so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the two you must, I mean, forget the work,

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Speaker 1: just hanging around with him.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're childhood friends, you know, we've we met each

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Speaker 2: other in high school. We've been best friends since and

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Speaker 2: we shared a house together. And yeah, so it was

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Speaker 2: that was a real labor of love.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. That is so cool. And now you

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Speaker 1: have a podcast Who Killed JFK? Which I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to say this off the top to you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say this to anybody listening. There's no way

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to ask all the questions

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Speaker 1: that somebody should ask, Rob Reiner. It's impossible to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you should have your own documentary the things

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Speaker 1: you've seen, the things you've done, the stories, the parties,

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Speaker 1: the actors you've worked with, the actors you've directed.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe Michael, I'll hire you. Maybe you can make

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Speaker 2: the documentary about me.

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Speaker 3: That would be fucking awesome.

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Speaker 4: You do have filmmaking skills.

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Speaker 1: I have filmmaking skills, and I've directed a couple of documentaries,

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Speaker 1: and I know.

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Speaker 3: Just like you know, they are an arduous, challenging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very difficult, Yeah, very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just first, since we're in there, like,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, on some level, making a documentary is

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Speaker 1: even more challenging than making a scripted film because of

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Speaker 1: the unpredictability.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing about, you know, making a first real

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Speaker 2: documentary I made, you know, Spinal Tap was a fake

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Speaker 2: felt natural to all of us and I didn't have

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Speaker 2: any problems with it. Matter of fact, we're preparing a

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Speaker 2: sequel to Spinal Tap, which we're going to start shooting

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Speaker 2: early part of next year.

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Speaker 3: I gotta stop you.

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Speaker 1: I gotta stop you, and I just have to say,

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Speaker 1: please make that movie.

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Speaker 3: Film. Fans need it, the world needs it.

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Speaker 1: There will be no better time to alleviate the craziness

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Speaker 3: Please do not let anything get in the way of that.

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Speaker 2: Well, No, we're bulling ahead here. I mean we're waiting

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Speaker 2: for hopefully the writer's strike will be over soon. We're

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Speaker 2: hearing good things strike negotiations. Yeah, I mean, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: I said writers. I meant actors strike. The writer's strike

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Speaker 2: you know, once that we're ready to go and we've

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Speaker 1: Man, I mean, that would be a fucking it just

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Speaker 1: like warms my heart to even think and to hear

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Speaker 2: And Carol taught me about acting and how you know.

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Speaker 2: you know, in nineteen seventy one and CBS had a disclaimer.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we can't be more divided. I mean

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Speaker 1: And I feel like, literally, if you took these scripts

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I haven't really watched the show

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Speaker 1: It needs no introduction, it needs no reference. The fucking

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Speaker 1: lot of people forget was a Jewish you know, tough

436
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Speaker 1: guy personified. You worked with him on Misery. In my opinion,

437
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Speaker 1: his comeback film along with Kathy Bates. This is a

438
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Speaker 1: goddamn fucking another classic. I mean a goddamn fucking classic.

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00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: You make fucking classics, Rob Reiner, what was his style

440
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: of acting like and what is Kathy Bates like when

441
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Speaker 1: you're directing her in Misery.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, because, first of all,

443
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Speaker 2: he was a Jewish guy, and he was a cowboy.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: He used to ride in a rodeo and he used

446
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Speaker 2: to rope calf He was a caff roper, and so

447
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: that was always weird to me, a Jewish cowboy anyway.

448
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: But Jimmy's style was totally instinctive. He didn't want to

449
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: have rehearsals. He just whatever would come out. Kathy was

450
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: a stage trained actress and she liked lots of rehearsals,

451
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Speaker 2: so it was interesting. We had to do more rehearsals

452
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Speaker 2: than Jimmy would have liked and less rehearsals than Kathy

453
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Speaker 2: would have liked. But they worked great together. They were

454
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Speaker 2: amazing together. And I think it worked well for Jimmy

455
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Speaker 2: because he, you know, he's very physical, like you say, he's,

456
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Speaker 2: you know, macho kind of guy. He's a cowboy, right,

457
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: rides horses and stuff. And the idea that he would

458
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Speaker 2: be stuck in a bed that he could not be physical,

459
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Speaker 2: he couldn't move for the whole movie. It was like

460
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Speaker 2: a perfect thing for him because it restricted him and

461
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: made his frustration even greater. And every day I would

462
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Speaker 2: come to the set and I would say to Jimmy

463
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Speaker 2: I'd walk in close.

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Speaker 4: I said, Jimmy, like, in this scene, what I want

465
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Speaker 4: is for you to be in bed. And then I

466
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Speaker 4: walked away.

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Speaker 2: Every day I said that in this scene you're in bed,

468
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Speaker 2: I just walked away.

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Speaker 4: That is funny.

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Speaker 2: But he was great, and he his frustration came out

471
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Speaker 2: and it was really good.

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Speaker 4: I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to go into every film,

474
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Speaker 1: but again, The Princess Bride stand by Me is such

475
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Speaker 1: another beautiful, beautiful, beautiful film that I just rewatched and

476
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Speaker 1: I put on I was doing a list of top

477
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Speaker 1: of my favorite summer films, you know, and I just

478
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Speaker 1: rewatched it this summer. When you're acting you acted in

479
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: the Wolf of Wall Street. When you're acting in something

480
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Speaker 1: like that, and obviously you're a fan, I don't have

481
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Speaker 1: to ask. You're a fan of cinema, you're a fan

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Speaker 1: of actors, you're a fan of films. When you're acting

483
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Speaker 1: under scoresese and you don't have to worry about every

484
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Speaker 1: single thing, are you like, this is a day at

485
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Speaker 1: the beach? Are you kind of checking out what he

486
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Speaker 1: does because I'm sure you love what he does?

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Speaker 3: Like, what is that like for you?

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Speaker 4: And what was specifically, like it is like a day

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Speaker 4: at the beach. I love.

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Speaker 2: You know, to act is fun because you don't have

491
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Speaker 2: the responsibilities. I mean, you're just there. And you know,

492
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Speaker 2: especially when you know with somebody like Martin Scorre says,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's brilliant. He's a great, great filmmaker,

494
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: so you don't have to worry about anything. And he

495
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: makes you feel comfortable, let you improvise. He lets you

496
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Speaker 2: do whatever you want. And you know, I love being

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Speaker 2: on other people's sets because I see how they I mean,

498
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, I did a partner Woody Allen film and

499
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: I saw how he liked to work. And to me,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's fun because I get to see what

501
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: other people do. I remember one time Ron Ron Howard

502
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Speaker 2: sent me. He wanted me to be in something, and

503
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Speaker 2: he said, I got this thing if you'd like to do.

504
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I'll be in it. And he said,

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Speaker 2: well don't you want Let me send you the script.

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Speaker 2: You'll read it and see if I says, I don't

507
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Speaker 2: have to read it. I said, if it's no good,

508
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Speaker 2: it's not my fault.

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Speaker 4: A hahaha. I'm just acting. I'm an actor.

510
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: I'm not good, you know, and I try, you know,

511
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: so it to me, it's just fun. It's just fun

512
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Speaker 2: to do and there's not a lot of responsibility, which

513
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Speaker 2: is kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: What did you take away or what did you notice

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Speaker 1: a surprised interesting about working for Scorsese as an actor.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I say, he lets you play, I mean

517
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: you can improvise, and he lets you do that, and

518
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: so I was comfortable doing that in a number of scenes.

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Speaker 2: And and but if you have people that you can

520
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: do it with, it's great. Like one scene with Jonah Hill,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you could play back and forth

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Speaker 2: with him. There was one scene I remember I was

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Speaker 2: sitting there, you know, I'm standing with Leo's in the middle,

524
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: and then as Jon Favreau was a great director too,

525
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: and he's the law he's his lawyer, and we're standing

526
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: there and he's got it's in front of this beautiful

527
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: setting on Long Island with his wife and his kid

528
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Speaker 2: and their horseback riding and there's a great, you know,

529
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Speaker 2: beautiful acreage and everything. And I'm saying to him, I said, look,

530
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: his lawyer says, look, you know, we can make a

531
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Speaker 2: settlement here for this, and you can. You'll only go

532
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: to jail for a year or two, and you know,

533
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: or we can settle it in the thing. And he

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Speaker 2: goes and I says, listen to what he says. Listen

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Speaker 2: to what he says. You don't want to throw this

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Speaker 2: all away. Look, you got your wife, your kids. You

537
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: know you don't want to throw this all away. And

538
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: he says, I hear you. And I said, and then

539
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: that was the end of the scene. I said, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you hear me. I don't hear you

541
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: hearing me. And that, to me, it was like I

542
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: felt like I was in the Scorsese film. You know,

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00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you don't even know what you

544
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: mean by you, you know, like in Raging Bull. And

545
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: then I said, actually said, I feel like I'm in

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Speaker 2: a Martin Scorsese film.

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Speaker 4: And he said, all right, cut it.

548
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: You know that pod.

549
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Just to move off of Hollywood. The actors strike, the

550
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: writers strike. You know, it's so it's been so frustrating,

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00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, the business has changed so much, just as

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00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: at the time that I've been in it. Do you

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00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: see an end of the actor's strike? And I mean,

554
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, my the this is what my suggestion is.

555
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: At this point, our biggest stars, the biggest time Cruz,

556
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie, who just made a piece of property worth

557
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: a billion dollars, Denzel Leonardo, you know you could get

558
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: the fifteen best, the biggest best, Jennifer Lawrence, Viola Davis,

559
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, get them. They go in front of these

560
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: producers and they represent the actors and they go, what

561
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: the fuck? You know, Like, if I'm Margot Robbie, I mean,

562
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: you can't tell her no, she just made a piece

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00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: of property that was worth a billion dollars. Where do

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00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you see this going? How do you see this ending?

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00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: You know, both signs because you're you're probably an ever.

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Speaker 1: You get insurance from up the wazoo, your screen actors Guild,

567
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: your producer's Guild.

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: Your writers guild. What what do you see? Just in

569
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Speaker 3: regards to the actors.

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Speaker 2: Rob Well, I mean, like you say, it's a very

571
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: strange time, and uh, I don't think we know how

572
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: this is all gonna shake out right now. I think

573
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: that the actors, you know, are making progress and hopefully

574
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: they'll they'll settle. But the contract that they signed usually

575
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: goes for three years, and in three years time, this

576
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: landscape is going to change dramatically and we don't know

577
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: the effects of AI and where that's going to go.

578
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: We don't know whether or not all the streaming platforms

579
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: are still going to exist the way they do. Is

580
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: there going to be commercials on streaming platforms and it's

581
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: not going to just be about subscription And where are

582
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: the revenue streams coming? And it's now it's all unknown,

583
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: So you have to make a deal that's somewhat good.

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00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: It's as good as you can, and then hopefully if

585
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: it starts to form itself and shake itself out in

586
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: a certain way, then you can address it a little better,

587
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: because right now we're in a very gray, amorphous area

588
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: in terms of where revenue is going to come from.

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00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good way to put it.

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00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: And you're right, I didn't even think, you know, of

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00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: three years ahead how it's going to change, because who

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00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the hell knows those what kind of technology. I mean,

593
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: if you've played around with this AI shit, it's it's

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00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: shocking what it does. Yeah, and I've only done it,

595
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, like on apps on my phone. You know

596
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: that there's music, there's all sorts.

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00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Of shit that Yeah, I mean, if you're an actor,

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00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: it seems to me It's an easier thing to control

599
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 2: if you're an actor, because there should be ways of

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00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 2: copywriting your your image and your voice and all of

601
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: that so that they can't take certain things of you

602
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: and use them in ways that you don't agree on.

603
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: With writers, it's tougher because they can take writing samples

604
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: from everywhere and you can't identify where that came from

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00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: in terms of creating a new product. So I think

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00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: it's much tougher for writers than it is for actors,

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00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: to be honest, I agree in terms of controlling AI.

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Speaker 3: I agree, that's the scariest part. But they made it deal.

609
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: And still the actors are out here with signs and

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: it's getting cold in New York.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: The party you know, like I were like partying out

613
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: there is Today was the first cold is day.

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00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: So we need to get this shit fixed.

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00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna totally pivot to politics and social stuff. And

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Speaker 1: since you are starting your podcast on iHeartRadio who Killed JFK,

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Speaker 1: which I know you have been interested and fascinated with

618
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: for a long time, Who did kill JFK?

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Speaker 3: Come answer the fucking question right now, Rob Reiner.

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to answer it, but if you want

621
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: to know how I got to this answer, then you

622
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: have to listen to the podcast, because it's simple and

623
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 2: complicated at the same time. And what I tried to

624
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: do with the podcast is lay it out what actually

625
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: happened and try to make it as digestible for people

626
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: who don't know the story, and make it not so

627
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: overly explained for people who do know a lot about this.

628
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Because what's interesting about all of this is information about

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Speaker 2: what happened on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three has

630
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: dribbled out over the last sixty years. So whatever you

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00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: think you knew at the time, five years later, ten

632
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: years later, twenty years later, new stuff is still coming out.

633
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: Something came out within the last month or so. And

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Speaker 2: we have this guy Paul Landis, who was a Secret

635
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Service agent who was on the follow car behind Kennedy,

636
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: who found the bullet that they called the single Bullet.

637
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: And that blows the whole case open because the argument

638
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: has always been was it Lee Harvey Oswald by himself

639
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: or was he part of a larger conspiracy? And here's

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Speaker 2: what's interesting. The Warrant Commission said, as it's Lee Harvey

641
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: Oswall all by himself. A little over ten years later,

642
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Speaker 2: the House Select Committee on Assassinations says it was a conspiracy.

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00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Now they don't say what this conspiracy was, but they

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00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: say the exact opposite. And because they didn't have all

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Speaker 2: the information. I interviewed the guy who was the head

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Speaker 2: legal counsel for the House Select Committee, and he himself said,

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Speaker 2: if I knew then what I know now, it would

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Speaker 2: have been completely different because he had no idea the

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Speaker 2: CIA's involvement and how they were involved in this. You

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Speaker 2: have to understand, and you know it wouldn't get too

651
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Speaker 2: far in the weeds because you listen to the podcast.

652
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: But Alan Dulles, who was the first non military guy

653
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Speaker 2: to head up the CIA, he was the gatekeeper for

654
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: the Warrant Commission, and no information about the CIA and

655
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: their relationship and their relationship to Oswald ever came out

656
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: in the Warren Commission. The House Select Committee had another

657
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: guy named George Joannides who was a CIA agent and

658
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: he was the gatekeeper of CIA information coming into that investigation.

659
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Turns out he was the head of a program that

660
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: cultivated people like Lee Harvey Oswald, so he was keeping

661
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: things out and that's what when this guy Robert Blakey

662
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: heard it. It was the legal counsel. He said, Gee,

663
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 2: if I'd have known that, I would have investigated him.

664
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that any of this stuff. So all

665
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: this stuff has come out, and what we will tell

666
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: you is that there were elements of the CIA, and

667
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: these are all rogue elements. This is not a on

668
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: the books plan. This is done in a rogue kind

669
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: of way. And I talked to some CIA agents who

670
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: also said it had all the earmarks of a CIA

671
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: type operation. It's a combination of them. The Cuban exiles

672
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: who were kicked out of Cuba in nineteen fifty nine

673
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: when Castro took over and were dying to get back

674
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Speaker 2: into Cuba, and it was the mafia who were also

675
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: furious about not only getting kicked out of Cuba and

676
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: losing their hotels and casinos, but they were furious at

677
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: the Kennedys for prosecuting them for being monsters. So you

678
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: had those three elements that came together in a way

679
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: in a very simpler When you hear the story and

680
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: it's laid out, it's complicated, but then when you hear

681
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: how it's done, it's pretty simple.

682
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: I can't wait to listen to it. I can't wait

683
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: to listen to it.

684
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: And it's a never ending, fascinating, infuriating, confusing stories.

685
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: Well, I try to make it. It is confusing, and

686
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: I try to make it as simple as understandable as possible.

687
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Like I've said, we say at the beginning, it's the

688
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: greatest murder mystery in the history of America. There's never

689
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: been a greater murder mystery. A president of the United

690
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: States is gunned down in broad daylight on an American street.

691
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: And we're sixty years later and people are still trying

692
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: to put all the pieces together.

693
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, who killed JFK? I can't wait to listen.

694
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about my favorite ex president,

695
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Dick Stain, Donald Trump, pig Dick Donald Trump.

696
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: We started with that. Where are you at today?

697
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I personally agree with what you said at

698
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: the top, that through hell high water.

699
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: Indictment after indictment, a.

700
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Gag order after gag order, that he will be running

701
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Speaker 1: for president in twenty twenty four.

702
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: And right now, if you look at the polls, he

703
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: is going to win. He is up in all the

704
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: battleground states, and when you factor in additional candidates, Bobby

705
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior, a no labels candidate, Cornell West who is

706
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: running an independent campaign. All of these will take votes

707
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: away from Biden in the key swing states. And that's

708
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere from four to eight states that are

709
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: in play, and that's the whole American election is based

710
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: on those states. And the margins of victory in those

711
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: states are very slim. I mean, Biden won Arizona by

712
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: a slim margin, he won Georgia by a slim margin.

713
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: He's winning all these states by slim margin. All you

714
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: have to do is start peeling votes away from him,

715
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: and he doesn't win that. And you know, Trump may

716
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: not even get to two seventy in electoral votes. But

717
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: if Biden doesn't get to two seventy, then it's thrown

718
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: into the House of Representatives. And we know what that'll be.

719
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: They'll elect Trump. So right now, where we are with

720
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: a great economy that people don't believe as a great economy.

721
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 4: For some reason, they're not feeling it. I don't know.

722
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 2: You've got unemployment at the lowest rates it's been in

723
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: fifty years, You've got inflation under control, and jobs being

724
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: created like incredible. People don't feel it. So, you know,

725
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: they say it's economy stupid. To me, it's not just

726
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: the economy stupid. It's a choice we have. We are

727
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: either going to decide we want to maintain the democracy

728
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: that we have after two hundred and forty eight years.

729
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: Are we going to still be a government of self

730
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: rule and a rule of law, or are we going

731
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: to give our way over to an autocracy, which is

732
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: what Donald Trump will do and said he will do.

733
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Speaker 4: So the choice can't be more clear.

734
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Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, and I'm gonna work

735
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: as hard as I can just figure out a way.

736
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: I even call Bobby Kennedy up and I said, Bobby,

737
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: you're you're you're going to put Trump back in the

738
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: White House. And he said, no, no, no, I'm going

739
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: to draw more votes from Trump than I will from Biden.

740
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: That's not true. You don't know.

741
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: There are polls that say the exact opposite. And you

742
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: have to understand that there are no Trump voters that

743
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: are going because Bobby Kennedy's on the ballot, that are

744
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: gonna leave Trump. Those people are locked in. They're not

745
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: going anywhere. The only way. The only votes he can

746
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: get are independent votes or votes that would have gone

747
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: to Biden.

748
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: It doesn't. There's no argument about this.

749
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: So I begged him and I said, please don't do this,

750
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: and you know, he's going ahead and he thinks he

751
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: can win, and I.

752
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: Got news for what what the fuck is he talking?

753
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 4: He can He can't win.

754
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: He's not gonna win.

755
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: No, he can't win.

756
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: He can't win the President of the United States, Kennedy.

757
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, daddy, And that's in fucking the fact that

758
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: he thinks that is is so fucking ridiculous.

759
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: He's not gonna fucking win. He's not even gonna come.

760
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be No, he's not gonna be president.

761
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: The only thing he can do is put Trump back

762
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: in the White House. And uh, you know, listen, we've

763
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: lived through it. We saw on a smaller scale, we

764
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 2: saw Ralph Nader put George w in the White House

765
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: over al Gore because of vote in Florida. We saw

766
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: it in a bigger way the both elections for Clinton,

767
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Ross Perot put Clinton in the white House. Clinton never

768
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: got fifty percent of the vote. He had forty three percent,

769
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: I think, or forty four for forty six, and then

770
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: he never got fifty percent. The first election, nineteen percent

771
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: went to Ross Paro. The second I think it was

772
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: like seven or eight percent. The point is those third

773
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: party candidates swing elections one way or the other. And

774
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: that's fine when you have a choice between you know,

775
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Clinton or it's going to be George h w. I mean,

776
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: you know, I'd rather have Clinton or that. But this

777
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: is not that kind of choice. This is do you

778
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 2: want democracy or autocracy? That's what we're dealing with here.

779
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: To stay on Kennedy and if you called him, you

780
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: must have some sort of relationship with him. Do you

781
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: think there's some sort of is it ego or is

782
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: it some hidden nefarious reason for him running when you

783
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: could say what you want him. This is not an

784
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: uneducated shit. The guy's more educated about politics.

785
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 4: He's very smart.

786
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: And how think that he's going to be president of

787
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: the United States.

788
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be very cares. He's a very charismatic

789
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: guy and I've known him for a long time. He's uh,

790
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, he's married to a woman who was Michelle

791
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: and my assistant, you know, worked at worked with us

792
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: at the house and then you know, before she got

793
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: to her job playing Larry David's wife on Uh curb

794
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: your enthusiasm. And so I've known him for all time.

795
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: He's a very smart guy, and he's very bright, and uh,

796
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: you know, I used to love when he was a

797
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: part of the NRDC and he was fighting for the

798
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: river keepers and you know, fighting for the environment. But

799
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: I you know, he's gone into a direction that I

800
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: don't particularly like, you know, the anti vaxer thing and

801
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: all and certain things. But I don't know. I can't

802
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: get it in his head and say what I think

803
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: he thinks. But I do believe he thinks he can win.

804
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: I am not as politically astute as you are. I

805
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: only you know what inspired me to get into pay attention,

806
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: to not get into but to pay attention more to

807
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: politics was my dislike and being personally offended that Trump

808
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: spoke the way he speaks. That's what really, you know,

809
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: has helped me be as educated as I am now.

810
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: And I got plenty, plenty, plenty plenty more to learn.

811
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I didn't.

812
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: I've always been politically involved, you know, I've been doing

813
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: that for as long as I can remember, But I

814
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: was never on social media. Until Trump got the nomination

815
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, I went what the hell this guy.

816
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: He's not you know, he may be smart about how

817
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: to sell himself. What I've said over the years is

818
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: that he's been a failure and everything he's ever done,

819
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: the only thing he's successful at is convincing people he's

820
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: not a failure, and he's great at that. And so

821
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: I got on social media. My wife said, you know,

822
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: you got to talk, you got to speak out about this,

823
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: and so I did. And I've been on social media

824
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: since then because I can't believe that this country is

825
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: going down this path and that it's still going down

826
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: this path. And I made a documentary about, like I say,

827
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: about Christian nationalism, which now Trump is completely tapped into.

828
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: You know, he's you know, they think of him as

829
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: the second Coming and that he's you know, sent by God,

830
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: and Trump is owning all that stuff, and that's.

831
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 4: Why they'll ever leave him.

832
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: They believe that that he's ordained, you know, he's ordained

833
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: to be president.

834
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 4: And it's it's scary, it's scary.

835
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: Based on the documentary that you have coming out, what's

836
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: the title of A robb Well.

837
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 2: We're now fiddling around with the title. We have two

838
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: titles which we're fiddling around with and the press release

839
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: is going to come out soon on it, so I'll

840
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: let you know.

841
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 4: But but what's great again?

842
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: Some other titles that never made the final cut.

843
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure, oh yeah, sure, But in this one, it's

844
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: not an attack on Christianity. It's the exact opposite. In it,

845
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: we have some very thoughtful conservative evangelicals talking about the

846
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: danger of white nationalism to Christianity itself and that it's

847
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: being used as a political tool to gain power and

848
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: it is gone very far away from the teachings of Jesus.

849
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: And that's what they talk about. And so you'll see

850
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: and that the basis of January sixth is people who

851
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: are of that movement who believe that God wants them

852
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: to do this. And you know, you see it, Marjorie

853
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: Taylor Green, And you've got the Speaker of the House now,

854
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Johnson, who is one of those people

855
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: who believes that, you know, I governed by the Word

856
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: of God.

857
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: Not by you know what people know. You know. So

858
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: it's it's scary.

859
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: This whole where we are is a very scary place

860
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: in this country.

861
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: You stop me in my tracks with that ship man,

862
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: do you identify or identify are you Republican, Democrat?

863
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: Independent?

864
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: What do you sort of you know, I guess the

865
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: word I identify? Well, like, do you even call yourself

866
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: either one.

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Speaker 2: I've been a Democrat my whole life. People who don't

868
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Speaker 2: know me, uh, you know, on social media they call

869
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: me a lib tard, they call me drinking baby's blood.

870
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 4: Then I'm flying off to you know.

871
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 3: Have you whatever a dream of Chrome Steins Island?

872
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, fairly, I've been there a lot.

873
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: I've never been to the mo of my life, but yeah,

874
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: but I've been many times.

875
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too.

876
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm much more moderate, you know. I would

877
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: say I'm left of center for sure. But I've been

878
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: in the political world for a long time, and I

879
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: know about building consensus. I've had legislation passed here in

880
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: California where I had to bring a lot of disparate

881
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: groups together, and I understand about compromise and having to

882
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: work with the you know, the other side.

883
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: I've done all that stuff.

884
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: So I'm not stupid enough to think, I mean, I'm

885
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: not perfect as the enemy they of the good.

886
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

887
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: I believe you want to get things done for people

888
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: you fight for as hard as you can for what

889
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: you believe in. But ultimately you have to make a compromise.

890
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: But you can't compromise with people who don't believe two

891
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: plus two is four. You have to have a basic

892
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: set of givens that you say, Okay, we all believe

893
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: two plus two is four. How do we get to that?

894
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: How do we get there? But if you say no, no,

895
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: I believe that, then then you can't have an honestess

896
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: ussion with people. And I think that's where we are now.

897
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: The Republican Party has been co opted by people, a

898
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: lot of them will believe the world is six thousand

899
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: years old and we're tent thout whatever they believe.

900
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, I know it's hard to remember, like where

901
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: your head was exactly at in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy

902
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: one of Vietnam post Vietnam, and you're playing one of

903
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: these college post college I don't know meadthead And I

904
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: say that with all due of respect.

905
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 4: You know it went to college with all with love.

906
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: You're saying it with love.

907
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: On fucking meat heead, I mean, are you kidding me?

908
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: But did you ever imagine that the country would be

909
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: as divided as it is now.

910
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing.

911
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy, I mean, and why I've been so

912
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: fixated on the Kennedy assassination is because when Kennedy died,

913
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: he was planning to get us out of Vietnam. He

914
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: had written this memo which took a thousand troops out

915
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: of Vietnam right away, all military out of Vietnam by

916
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: the end of nineteen sixty five. Then he gets assassinated.

917
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: Linda Johnson becomes president and we go full bore into

918
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: Vietnam and we were, you know, in a quagmire there

919
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: for a long time. That was the beginning of the divide.

920
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: We started to divide. Then half the country was against

921
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: the war in Vietnam, half the country was in favor

922
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: of it. And so we started that divide, and then

923
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: things started to you know, close.

924
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: Up a little bit.

925
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: You know. Johnson passed a lot of great legislation, the

926
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, all

927
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: those things got passed, and we were on a good

928
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: trajectory of becoming this pluralistic society where we had. And

929
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: it culminated with Barack Obama becoming president and we say,

930
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: oh good, finally the realization of America is finally coming

931
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: to fruition. And then we see the backlash. And the

932
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: backlash is all these people that were sub merged for

933
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: all this time where you couldn't be, you know, you

934
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: couldn't be overtly racist and all that stuff. So now

935
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: it's bubbled up and they've got a vessel in Trump

936
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: and we're seeing this the divide open up even bigger

937
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 2: than it was during Vietnam.

938
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: That's a good answer, and I appreciate that.

939
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: And you speak of overtly racism, overtly racist, you know,

940
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: for me as a Jewish person, I'm fifty three.

941
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: I grew up in New York City, right Manhattan.

942
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: I never ever, to be honest with you, I've never

943
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: dealt face to face with anti Semitism in my life

944
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: still to this day, fortunately right in my face.

945
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: You know, these last three.

946
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: Weeks of the open anti semitism towards Jewish people, towards Israel,

947
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: are you surprised?

948
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: How has it affected you? How?

949
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh are you processing everything that is going on in

950
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: the world right now? Because just when you know, for me,

951
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you see my my

952
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: rants on Trump, you know, I had to put that

953
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: shit on the back burner, you know, And I didn't.

954
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: No, no, because it No, you're right. I mean I've

955
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: seen those rants and they're funny and they're great and

956
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: they're all that, But no, you can't because the world

957
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: is now being torn apart, and you know, as a

958
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Jewish person myself, it's frightening. I mean, anti Semitism has

959
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: always been there as long as I can remember, but

960
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: like you, I grew up in the Bronx and and

961
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: in New York and then out here in Los Angeles,

962
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: and I never came face to face with it like

963
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: that because I'm in a world where there are a

964
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: lot of Jewish people and you know, and so on.

965
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: But the rampant anti Semitism now is very frightening, and

966
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: you're seeing it on college campuses and you know, speaking

967
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: and I yesterday I actually did a you know, a

968
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: video for this group that are Holocaust survivors, people who

969
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: have you know, and they're you know, not many of

970
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: them left. I have my aunt who lives in Atlanta.

971
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: She lost her entire family and she was in Aschwitz

972
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: and she's survived. And my wife's mother also was in

973
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: Ashwitz and lost her entire family there, and she was

974
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: the only survivor from her family. So I'm very conscious

975
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: of where this can go, you know, where this kind

976
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: of hatred can go, and when it's marshaled by someone

977
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: like it was in the thirties with Hitler, we see

978
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: where it can go. And I just tell people, don't

979
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: think it can't happen. Don't think it can happen. All

980
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: you need to get is somebody to be the vessel

981
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: of all of that. And so let's see. I mean,

982
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: it's scary, it's really scary.

983
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is scary, and it can go.

984
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I was saying the other day, if

985
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: the IDF hadn't showed up on October seventh, they weren't.

986
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: Going to stop.

987
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they were like, we want to just

988
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: do this, that and the third they would have kept going.

989
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: And if they could that day, they would have kept going.

990
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: They would have done the whole thing in one day.

991
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And here's what's tricky about all this. So

992
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: you have to defend yourself and you have to attack back.

993
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't just let somebody do what you

994
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: just said. But at a certain point, wy it shifts

995
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: and then people said, saying, now we're seeing, yes, fourteen

996
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: hundred people who killed babies and destroyed and raping.

997
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 4: And all that horror.

998
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: But now we're doing that and you're seeing the images

999
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: of those little babies and and and people who are

1000
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: innocent and they don't subscribe to amos. So is this

1001
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: the solution? There has to be a way that we

1002
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: don't do it, you know, full bore. I worry about this,

1003
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, I worry about the hostage. I worry about

1004
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: where's are standing in the world and if we're not

1005
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: going to be for peace for everyone. And there's two

1006
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: state solutions a million miles away, but that ultimately has

1007
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: to be where we wind up. And I don't know

1008
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: if we ever can wind up there, because my feeling is,

1009
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: you kill these harmas people and twenty more grow in

1010
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: their place.

1011
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 4: You know, it's you know.

1012
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: You don't you can't kill hatred. You know you can't

1013
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: kill hatred. You just have to find a way of

1014
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: containing it somehow and not letting it bubble to the

1015
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: surface like it has. And it's not just you know,

1016
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, it's you know, it's what when

1017
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: we went into a rock that was like the stupidest

1018
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: thing we could ever have done. I said, you know,

1019
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: didn't anybody ever see Lawrence of Arabia. You know you're

1020
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: not gonna walk in there and plunk a democracy down.

1021
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: It's like, oh well, just make that a democracy doesn't

1022
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: work that way. So you know, this is all scary times,

1023
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: and it's it's scary to be a Jew and it's

1024
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: scary to be a Muslim. You know, it's scary for

1025
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 2: on both sides right now, and we got to find

1026
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: a way to dial it down.

1027
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's what we're doing right now.

1028
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 4: I agree.

1029
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you go, Rob Reiner, I will.

1030
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: First before we go.

1031
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Before we go, you just have to say what The

1032
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: JFK podcast, it starts on November eighth.

1033
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: November eighth, did you say did we say that? I'm

1034
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: saying it again. We said it once and I'll say

1035
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: it at the top. The JFK Podcast, created directed by

1036
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the great director, actor, performer who killed JFK on iHeartRadio.

1037
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: It premieres on November eighth. So many more things in

1038
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: the chamber. You said it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1039
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: listen Rob next year when this strike is done. This

1040
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: is spinal tap. We're gonna have is it the reunion?

1041
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: Is it?

1042
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: This is spinal Tap Part two? Do you do you

1043
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 2: have I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna tell

1044
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: you we have a top story, but we're getting it

1045
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: done well, yes, as soon as the strike's sover.

1046
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: And I also suggest if people want some levity, you

1047
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: can go watch any and all episodes of All in

1048
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: the Family, The Princess Bride, when Harry Sally always makes

1049
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: you smile, stand by me. This is spinal tap, misery,

1050
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: a few good men, or anything that has anything to

1051
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: do with the great Rob Reiner, his family, Car Reiner

1052
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: and everything that you've touched. It has just brought joy

1053
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: to the world. And I suggest people watching out because

1054
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: we needed more than ever. What a pleasure, Like I said, Rob,

1055
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: I've been a fan for such a long time as

1056
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: an actor, as a director, as a producer, and as

1057
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: a commentator on what's going on in the world today.

1058
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: It was really a pleasure, and I can't wait to

1059
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast and the documentary with Albert Brooks.

1060
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael Rapperboard. I had a fun time being

1061
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: on your show.

1062
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: Thank you, Rob.

1063
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you.

1064
00:55:50,760 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: So my friend, okay, all right, y