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Speaker 1: Phil Remember, alright, this is Chase Utley's The Phillies Show.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Namar Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todswell like it's a Philly show.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Hope everybody

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Speaker 2: is doing well. The Phillies and Astros open up a

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Speaker 2: big three game series on Tuesday night in Houston. Two

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Speaker 2: teams playing really good baseball. Guys, the Astros. Late April,

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Speaker 2: April twenty six, they were five hundred. I think everybody

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Speaker 2: was thinking, well, they lost Alex Bregman, they lost Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Finally they're going to be a you know, they're going

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Speaker 2: to come back to Earth and maybe miss the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But since then they've been playing great. They are thirty

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Speaker 2: two and twenty since April twenty six. It's the second

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Speaker 2: best record in baseball.

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Speaker 3: Who's got the best record in baseball in that span, guys?

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Speaker 2: Do you ask?

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Speaker 4: Oh you ask?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it's the Philadelphia Phillies. The thirty

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Speaker 2: three and eighteen since April twenty six. They've got the

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Speaker 2: best record in baseball in that stretch.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Todd, they also lost your darning Avarez's not playing

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Speaker 5: Its hurt and it wasn't playing well. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: their three great offensive players that are not that they

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Speaker 5: literally are not performing that they had last year.

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Speaker 6: Anyway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, why couldn't they have lost Jordan Alvarez before

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Speaker 4: Game six and twenty twenty two? Stop maybe just to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, gosh.

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Speaker 3: So it's a big series and that's a great place

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Speaker 3: for us to start with the parks.

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Speaker 2: First first pitch is brought to us by our friends

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Speaker 2: at Park Sixtino right off of I ninety five and

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Speaker 2: State Road. Jim big pitching matchup. It's Ranger Suarez versus

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Speaker 2: from ber Valdez. It doesn't get much better than.

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Speaker 4: This, two very very good lefties who you know, when

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Speaker 4: I think of both of them, I think of pitchability.

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Speaker 4: You know, both have a lot of pitchability, and Ranger

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Speaker 4: has just been terrific lately. I mean I hear I

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Speaker 4: was hearing not long ago, two three weeks ago, trade Ranger.

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Speaker 4: I was making my head explode. You can't trade Ranger Suarez.

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Speaker 4: You need Ranger Suarez to win. If you're going to

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Speaker 4: win the World Series, you need him pitching well. Whether

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Speaker 4: he's in the rotation, whether he's in the bullpen in October,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they're gonna do. But this guy,

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Speaker 4: this man knows how to get outs. And that is

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Speaker 4: the name of the game in pitching, almost like I

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Speaker 4: don't care how you do it. He gets outs. His

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Speaker 4: last nine starts, he is six and three his last

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's made nine starts for the season. He's

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Speaker 4: six and three his last eight Todds six and one

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Speaker 4: with a one point one seven. He's been dynamite for

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Speaker 4: this team. He's changing speeds, he's keeping the ball down,

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Speaker 4: he can ride it up on occasion when he can

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Speaker 4: hunt a strikeout, getting a lot of soft contact, pitching

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Speaker 4: with that typical ranger Suarez poise and cool that he

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Speaker 4: clearly he's feeling good physically. So I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 4: to this Game one matchup. I always think Game one

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Speaker 4: is important to get something off to a good start,

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Speaker 4: should be a fun series. Always is to first place teams.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, you mentioned the records, All things that

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Speaker 4: rise must converge, and they are converging once again. And

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Speaker 4: they have a history. The Astros and the Phillies have

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Speaker 4: a history, you know, going back to nineteen eighty when

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Speaker 4: the Phillies finally got over the hump and get to

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Speaker 4: the World Series, and then of course in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two played in the World Series. You know, I mentioned

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Speaker 4: Jordan Alvarez had that humongous home run. I can still

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Speaker 4: hear it. I can still hear it resonating in my

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Speaker 4: thunder shot off of Jose Alvarado. So totally different circumstances. Now,

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Speaker 4: still two good teams and both trying to get somewhere

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Speaker 4: special in October. So looking forward to this three game.

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Speaker 4: So it's really important the Phillies playing well, what are they?

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Speaker 4: I think they're won nine of their last eleven.

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Speaker 7: I mean you mentioned best record in baseball over a

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Speaker 6: It talked about great matchups.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you talk about the lefties and how good

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Speaker 5: He's been outstanding for a long time. He's been a

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Speaker 8: He's been dealing.

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Speaker 5: His last start though against the Athletics, after having a

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Speaker 5: He struggled with this last time with five walks, So

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Speaker 8: A little bit here for the Phillies.

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Speaker 5: But a really really good rotation and an excellent bullpen

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Speaker 5: that the Phillies are going to be facing here against

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Speaker 5: the Shows.

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Speaker 3: Last week we're going to get to this.

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Speaker 2: We chatted with Phillies' assistant general manager of Amateur Scouting,

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Speaker 2: Brian Barber. Brian Barber, of course, runs the show for

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Speaker 2: the Amateur Draft, which is going to be Sunday and

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Speaker 3: Phillies have the twenty sixth overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Brian Barber is the guy who selected Maca and Andrew Painter,

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Speaker 2: and Aiden Miller and Justin Crawford in the first round.

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Speaker 2: All four of those guys seem to have bright futures

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Speaker 2: and a lot of fun. Kind of talking to Brian

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Speaker 2: about a lot of different topics, drafting, MIIC, drafting, Andrew Painter,

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Speaker 2: kind of the strength of this year's draft, all sorts

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Speaker 2: enjoy it. So here you go, Phillies Assistant general Manager

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Speaker 2: Brian Barber.

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Speaker 3: Brian, thanks for joining us at the Phillies show. Hope

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Speaker 3: you're doing well. So this is your sixth draft with

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Speaker 2: Is this an exciting time of year for you? Is

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Speaker 2: this a stressful time of year for you? Is this

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Speaker 2: a you know, do you get any sleep at this

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Speaker 2: time of year? I know you're at the draft, the

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Speaker 2: Draft Combine right now in Phoenix. You know how kind

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Speaker 6: It's a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 9: You know, most of the most of the on field

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Speaker 9: field evaluations of the players. Starts to get stressful just

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Speaker 9: just because you're it's more anxious than anything else at

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Speaker 9: it means our big league team is pretty good. But

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Speaker 9: it does get stressful trying to figure out who might

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Speaker 9: now we're doing things like out here at the combine

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Speaker 9: in Phoenix and and meeting with the players, doing some

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Speaker 9: of the final on field evaluations, and it's just trying

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Speaker 9: to tie up all loose ends that you that you've

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Speaker 6: Year, the spring, the years with some of these players.

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Speaker 9: That that we've you waited, some of them, you know,

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Speaker 9: you're starting to do your final I guess lining up

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Speaker 4: So, Brian, how many days have you been at home?

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Speaker 4: Maybe since like the college season started?

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Speaker 6: That a whole lot.

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Speaker 9: what we're doing. But yeah, it does, it does at times. Uh,

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Speaker 4: So the late great Jim Figosi, friend of mine, friend

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Speaker 4: of Rubens, Uh, you know, he was preparing for the

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Speaker 9: you know, I've been doing this scouting part for twenty

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Speaker 9: The normal answer for my wife when she asked when

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Speaker 3: More from Brian Barber in a minute.

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Speaker 5: want to ask you a little bit about that combine

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Speaker 8: What's your take on it? And you know, what are

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think for the most part, it's ended up

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Speaker 9: So about three hundred and fifty players get invited by

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Speaker 9: Major League Baseball to the tend There's four different portions

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Speaker 9: but I haven't got to meet with them personally, and

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Speaker 9: and then there are other other times that, hey, I

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Speaker 6: To know about them?

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Speaker 9: So trying to stay away from the group scouting aspect,

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Speaker 10: That's that was always that was always the one for

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Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent, And and that it probably happens

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Speaker 9: less just because of the amount of events these players

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Speaker 9: And and there are times that you want the Phillies

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Speaker 5: So Brian I also had had this question about when

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Speaker 8: How much do you weigh that actual talent.

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Speaker 5: Obviously you're going to grade the guy out as far

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Speaker 8: Do you place on the makeup And.

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Speaker 5: Is that a factor for you, And you know, does

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think makeup's a huge portion of the player.

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Speaker 9: And you know, you try to divide a player up

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Speaker 9: His just straight athleticism, but then makeup is a huger

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Speaker 9: component of that as well of that puzzle. So we

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Speaker 9: do a lot of work on it. It's one of

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Speaker 9: tough on players. Right, Are they able to stand withstand

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Speaker 6: Of that goes into it.

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Speaker 9: So you're not your twentieth rounder might not be quite

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Speaker 9: but it is something that we do on almost every

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Speaker 3: Brian, you get because you guys picked twenty six overall.

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Speaker 2: Just curious how big is the pool or how why

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Speaker 2: is the pool of potential players you might pick at

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Speaker 2: twenty six a month away from the draft, because I

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Speaker 3: Know, surprises in the draft. So how big is that

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Speaker 2: And by the time the draft rules around that Sunday

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Speaker 9: Well, right now, it has to be bigger than that

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Speaker 9: because you don't know who's going to be there. Like

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Speaker 9: if we had a better idea of how the draft

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Speaker 9: the pool probably by draft day you're looking at about

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Speaker 9: five to six players that you think have a chance

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Speaker 9: to get to you, that you've talked about, and by

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Speaker 9: the draft day you've already lined up the board, so

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Speaker 9: you know how you won it. So but at this

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Speaker 9: just because you don't know what's going to happen in

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Speaker 9: front of you. I don't think anybody knowing in this

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Speaker 9: We have the players that will most likely go in

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Speaker 6: Order of that yet.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's pretty wide pool right now of players

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Speaker 9: more information, you've worked your way, you work your way

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Speaker 9: about five on July thirteenth.

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Speaker 4: What's considered the strength of this twenty twenty five draft.

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Speaker 9: Probably sticks out is high school position players. This year,

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Speaker 9: in particular shortstops and middle infielders is the strength. So

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Speaker 9: in the past couple of years it's probably been much

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Speaker 4: And you've never i mean five drafts you've gone the

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Speaker 6: Well a little bit of both.

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Speaker 9: So you know, in one aspect, you are what you do,

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Speaker 9: and we've taken high school players for the last five years,

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Speaker 9: but some of that has just been we played. We

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Speaker 9: were at the mercy of who was there as well,

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Speaker 9: and we were very happy with who we were able

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Speaker 9: to select, but there were plenty of college players that

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Speaker 9: were on our boards and really good spots, and they

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Speaker 9: just happened to go in front of us. So, you know,

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Speaker 9: especially the first couple of years when we took Mick,

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Speaker 9: Justin was seventeenth, and then we've been at twenty seven

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Speaker 9: the last two years. You sort of just have to

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Speaker 9: you know, the high school player crop, especially when we

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Speaker 9: that just gave us an opportunity to pick pick players

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Speaker 9: player crop isn't quite as risky industry wide thought as

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Speaker 2: When you think back to Mick Abel, who's your first

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Speaker 2: first round pick, when you maybe tell a story ten

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Speaker 2: years from now, twenty years from now about scouting Mick,

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Speaker 2: what's that story going to be, what's kind of sticks

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Speaker 9: But we did get to evaluate Nick in the spring

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Speaker 9: So I mean that was at that point. Obviously, walking

441
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 9: back on it now, you know, not being able to

442
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 9: evaluate a high school pitcher seeing him in person for

443
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 9: eight months, it sounds a whole lot scarier now than

444
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 9: I thought it was at the time.

445
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 8: That's great. I was wondering.

446
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 5: I wanted to go back and talk about the difference

447
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 5: in the autokeemp story because is that a more satisfying

448
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 5: and gratifying thing to see happen to see a kid

449
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: that wasn't drafted in your scout grabbing that guy sort

450
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: of out of the blue and signing him.

451
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Speaker 8: Or is it more gratifying to have a Mickabele get

452
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 8: to the big leagues? What I mean, do you feel

453
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 8: one way or another about that type of scenario?

454
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you're super happy of both.

455
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 9: I mean The idea is everybody that you sign ends

456
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 9: up having an opportunity to play in the big leagues,

457
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 9: are giving themselves a chance. So you know, the Mickables

458
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 9: of the world should make the big leagues where you

459
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 9: take them. That's just the reality of it. When you

460
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 9: take a guy in the first round, especially in the

461
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 9: middle of the first round, it's almost it's not a

462
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 9: foregone conclusion because it's still not anywhere close to one

463
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 9: hundred percent success rate with first round picks, but you

464
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 9: almost feel that that person should end up being a

465
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 9: good player. The Auto Camps of the world. Uh, you know,

466
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 9: all credit in the world goes to our scout, Zach

467
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 9: Friedman that ended up signing signing Auto and I can

468
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 9: I taught. I've told many a person this now at

469
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 9: this point, I have emails from from Zach Friedman starting

470
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 9: in February of that spring about Auto Camp being one

471
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 9: of his gut field players and a player that he

472
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 9: wanted to really bring into the organization.

473
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 4: Uh.

474
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 6: And it's not.

475
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 9: You know, Auto had some some health and and and

476
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 9: and injuries in college and he had a broken handmate

477
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 9: at the time of the draft. It was probably the

478
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 9: biggest reason why he wasn't drafted, But the draft for

479
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 9: us signing players doesn't stop at the draft. Immediately afterwards

480
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 9: as well, you're trying to bring in players that the

481
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 9: scouts like, and and Zach didn't stop after the draft.

482
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: You know.

483
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 9: It was one of the things we were in contact

484
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 9: with him during the draft and and nobody was called still,

485
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 9: so you're trying to maximize who you were able to

486
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 9: bring into the organization, and we thought we had an

487
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 9: opportunity to do that post draft with them, But that man,

488
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 9: that's I don't want to say proud, but I'm just

489
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 9: so happy for Otto that that has worked his way.

490
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 9: From the very moment after we signed him and got

491
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 9: to see him healthy and on the field, you knew

492
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 9: you had brought in the right player and that he

493
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 9: was going to give himself a chance. So very proud

494
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 9: of Zach A bringing in that player and super happy

495
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 9: for Otto and the Phillies being able to have him.

496
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: You invest so much time and your staff to scouting

497
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: these guys, getting to know them as ballplayers but also

498
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: as people, and now you bring him into the system.

499
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: Are you living in dying with every box score? Like mcgable,

500
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: you know he had some control issues last year? Are

501
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: you looking at every box score and like I said,

502
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: living and dying with that kid's progress because you know,

503
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: you put your name on the pick, but also because

504
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: you really, you know you have affection for the kid.

505
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 6: Uh well yeah, about one hundred percent.

506
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 9: So living and dying in the box where some of

507
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 9: those are you know, you're you're paying attention, you're watching

508
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 9: and you're trying to figure out you know, like last year,

509
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 9: you know what's what's gone sideways with Mick And luckily

510
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 9: we as an organization, we're able to figure that out.

511
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 9: And a couple of things with Mick that just never

512
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 9: disappeared for him. He always took the ball every week

513
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 9: since since we had signed him. He took the ball

514
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 9: every week. He always had talent, and he always had

515
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 9: the makeup to end up being a good player. So

516
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 9: those three things never disappeared from him. And and the

517
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 9: high school pitcher. What's so hard about them is just

518
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 9: the journey of getting to the big leagues the amount

519
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 9: of things that can go wrong along the way. And

520
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 9: that's why a lot of teams don't like to go

521
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 9: down that route is just because it's it's fraught with peril.

522
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 9: I guess is there's so many different things that can

523
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 9: go wrong. Yeah, paying attention all the time, hoping for

524
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 9: the best for all these guys, not just you know,

525
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 9: not just for them, but obviously with the for the Phillies,

526
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 9: because a lot of what we do is the direction

527
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 9: of the future of the Phillies as well, you know,

528
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 9: making sure we're bringing in the right players. So yeah,

529
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 9: there's a lot of importance in the players that we're

530
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 9: bringing into the system.

531
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Speaker 6: You know.

532
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: I was talking to maybe a year or two ago

533
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: with Victor Gomez, who was the Aria scout who got

534
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: Andrew Painter, and he told a funny story and.

535
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: He said, it was like the day before a couple

536
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: of you guys were coming in. I don't know if

537
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: you were in that group.

538
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 6: I know the story you're gonna tell, So go ahead, Okay.

539
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: So Andrew Painter is one of the most prized arms

540
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: in all of baseball, and everybody wants Andrew Painter. And

541
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: he is out there on the field before a game

542
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: in full catcher's gear right working out with his teammates,

543
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: you know, taking throws from the outfield and whatnot. And

544
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: I guess Victor at one point was kind of like

545
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, please don't get hurt. And then he

546
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: took video of it, and he thought it was awesome

547
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: because it showed how much fun he could have playing

548
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: the game and how much he loved playing the game.

549
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: But what do you, I mean, what do you remember

550
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: about that story? Because I thought that was great.

551
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 9: You know what I remember about that story is that

552
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 9: you couldn't tell you knew who it was, but you

553
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 9: couldn't tell that he wasn't a catcher because he was

554
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 9: so athletic. Besides the height. I mean, you know, you

555
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 9: don't see many six seven, six eight catchers back there,

556
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 9: but he moved like a catcher and he was athletic

557
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 9: doing it. And now I thought it was crazy that

558
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 9: it was the day before he was pitching in the

559
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 9: state state regional championship or something like that, that he

560
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 9: would do that, but he was. Actually The video that

561
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 9: I have of that is that as the coach had

562
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 9: rolled out a bunt, he went and fielded the bunch,

563
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 9: made us spin spind moving through to first base, and

564
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 9: was like, yeah, that's just how a catcher does it.

565
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 9: And it just showed his athleticism that he you know,

566
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 9: you think a picture only in high school that you know,

567
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 9: you're trying to decide can this guy move? Is the

568
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 9: athletic and it was like, oh, yeah, he's got that's.

569
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 8: Think of a speaking of that, do you still is

570
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 8: it still happen?

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 12: I know everybody's sort of uh have centralized their sports

572
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 12: as far as some of the high school kids are

573
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 12: still playing some other sports. Is it still the practice

574
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 12: of some of the scouts to see these guys playing

575
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 12: other you know places like basketball or track or whatever

576
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 12: it may be. Maybe it's soccer because it's a different different,

577
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 12: uh you know, time time of the season. Do you

578
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 12: still trav your your guys track, you know, those athletes

579
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 12: doing these other sports to do more evaluation or is

580
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 12: that something of the past now?

581
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: No, it's not in the past. It's definitely part of

582
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 6: the process.

583
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 9: And and and really football basketball are probably the two

584
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 9: main ones, just because they're different seasons of the year

585
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 9: for for those sports as well. So, you know, I

586
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 9: think there are a lot of things you can learn

587
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 9: watching a guy play basketball or football that you might

588
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 9: not be able to learn playing baseball. And it's not

589
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 9: just the you know, the athleticism that you might see

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 9: out there, but it might be the leadership abilities, or

591
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 9: it might be a different type of makeup and toughness

592
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 9: that you're not able to see on a baseball field.

593
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 9: So it's definitely not a thing of the past. There

594
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 9: are fewer guys that do it now just because of

595
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 9: the specialization and the year round activities in baseball, But

596
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 9: there are multiple guys in this draft, in particular that

597
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 9: we're basketball players that you don't get to see see

598
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 9: that a whole lot. So yeah, we're as much as

599
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 9: we can see a player doing anything. We're out there

600
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 9: as much as we can seeing that.

601
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: Brian, how much analytics do you use preparing for the draft?

602
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: How much has that changed in the last twenty twenty

603
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: five years, and how much is that you know, the

604
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: evolution of analytics in the draft, how much has it

605
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: made the draft more efficient or just simply better?

606
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 6: A lot?

607
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 9: The answer is a lot, just because there's so much

608
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 9: out there. The amount of information that is out there

609
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 9: nowadays is just not even close. When I started my

610
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 9: first draft as a scout was two thousand and two,

611
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 9: happened to be I believe that was a year that

612
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 9: the moneyball story was written about, and it just and

613
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 9: it hasn't stopped and it's not going to stop just

614
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 9: and you don't want it to stop because more information

615
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 9: is better. And then it's just your ability to try

616
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 9: to filter out which information is important and which one

617
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 9: is not. So you have a lot bigger staff, you

618
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 9: have a lot more people that are involved nowadays, the

619
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 9: ability to listen to those people's opinions and their evaluations

620
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 9: on whether it's data, whether it's information. There's so much

621
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 9: more nowadays than just going to the field and saying

622
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 9: I like this player or I don't like this player.

623
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 9: And that's just the reality of it. And whether that's

624
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 9: amateur baseball that you're getting the information, minor league baseball,

625
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 9: and not obviously in the big leagues. So that information

626
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 9: is just going to continue to grow, and it's better

627
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 9: teams that are able to figure out what information is

628
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 9: important and which one might not be quite as important.

629
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 4: But and you mentioned Auto Camp, Zach Friedman having a

630
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: gut feel about Auto Camp. Do you still encourage your

631
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: guys to follow their gut on occasion even when you

632
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: have all this information.

633
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, the thing with Otto and Zach's gut

634
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 9: feel was that he thought Otto was a good player

635
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 9: with tools that had performed that led him to thinking

636
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 9: he was going to be a better player than other

637
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 9: people didn't. So it was a learned gut from him,

638
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 9: not just hey, I think this guy's okay, Well give

639
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 9: me the reasons why you have a gut feel. But

640
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 9: we still definitely asked that. We started doing our area

641
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 9: SCALP pre draft meetings last week, we'll continue them next

642
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 9: week after the combine, and just trying to gather information.

643
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 6: But on that call on each of them is, hey,

644
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 6: you know.

645
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 9: Within different categories and our tiers of players and prospects,

646
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 9: we asked, you know, who were your gut feels from that,

647
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 9: and then if it doesn't necessarily make sense line up

648
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 9: with what you might think, then you ask why and

649
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 9: they give you the reasons of why they have a

650
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 9: gut feel on that player.

651
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: Do you like the condensed draft? I remember it used

652
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: to be fifty rounds. I remember when it was unlimited.

653
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: Now then it was fifty, that it was forty nine,

654
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: was twenty? Do you like that?

655
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 6: I mean you do.

656
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 9: It would be tougher to have a bigger draft with

657
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 9: the roster limits in the minor leagues right now, so

658
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 9: you just you live with what you have to the

659
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 9: ability to do. But if you had an opportunity to

660
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Speaker 9: bring in more players, the forty round or fifty rounds

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Speaker 9: draft would give you an opportunity, especially as you move

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Speaker 9: down the board, to take a risk on a high

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Speaker 9: school player that may or may not sign that you

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Speaker 9: just don't have the ability to do now in only

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Speaker 9: twenty rounds. So you know that we try to say

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Speaker 9: these draft picks are almost like you know, gold that

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Speaker 9: you just you can't miss, or you just can't throw

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Speaker 9: one out the window anymore so because you only have

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Speaker 9: so few of them.

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Speaker 2: Brian, you were the twenty second overall pick right in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety one draft the Cardinals selected.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there is probably a hokey question.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been asked this before, but how would

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Speaker 2: the Phillis Assistant general manager of Amateur Scouting Scout high

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Speaker 2: school pitcher Brian Barber.

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Speaker 4: What would you like?

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Speaker 3: What wouldn't you like?

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Speaker 4: Would you like it all?

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Speaker 6: Would you you know?

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Speaker 4: Have you heard?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I've had that question asked before. I really I

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Speaker 9: was so ignorant at the time of what I was doing.

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Speaker 9: In all honesty, going back my senior year of high school,

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Speaker 9: it was the first year I ever pitched.

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Speaker 6: I just started pitching.

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Speaker 9: I threw maybe twenty innings that summer in between and

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Speaker 9: then the high school year was the first year that

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Speaker 9: I was really a full time pitcher. I mean, I

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Speaker 9: really didn't know what I was doing, so being able

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Speaker 9: to break at the time, I didn't know what I

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Speaker 9: was doing, so trying to break down what I was.

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Speaker 9: What is that thirty four years later now I'm not

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Speaker 9: even sure.

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Speaker 2: What I was.

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Speaker 9: To be honest with you, I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 9: think i'd have liked myself as much as Marty Mayer

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Speaker 9: and Fred McAllister of at the Cardinals at a time.

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Speaker 9: Like me, I'm probably not quite as big. I didn't

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Speaker 9: throw quite as hard as these guys do nowadays, and

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Speaker 9: I'm not I don't know is the answer, but I

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Speaker 9: probably wouldn't have had myself lined up where I was picked.

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Speaker 9: I'm glad they did though.

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Speaker 8: Speaking of pitching, I just had this one quick one.

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Speaker 8: Do you remember facing your assistant GM George Flandia.

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Speaker 9: For hey, he reminded me of that. I do remember

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Speaker 9: the one because he's got a video. I believe it

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00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 9: was John Jaha that got me for I come in

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Speaker 9: in relief. I think that game and ended up giving

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Speaker 9: up a grand Slam to John Jaha and or hey

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Speaker 9: has the video that he gladly showed me of him

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00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 9: running around the bases or or John hitting the home run.

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Speaker 9: So I don't remember facing him, to be honest.

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Speaker 6: Did he get him out?

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Speaker 5: Todd?

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Speaker 6: Did you see what?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: He did?

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Speaker 4: I looked it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he no eight, Yeah he did. You got him out?

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Speaker 2: You got him out?

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Speaker 6: Oh good, I've got one up on him, man, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's the reason for one.

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Speaker 6: He's in the book.

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Speaker 4: You got in the book exactly right you were you

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Speaker 4: were talking about when you were in high school. I

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00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: remember you telling me a really funny story about you

727
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: played with Johnny, Damon's older brother, and one day the

728
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Speaker 4: older brother brought Johnny to practice and you had your

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 4: scouting eyes on you. So that kid's gonna be a

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Speaker 4: great one.

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Speaker 6: James his older brother.

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Speaker 9: I would have been so I was just a year

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Speaker 9: ahead of Johnny, so it would have been going into

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Speaker 9: my sophomore year. James would have been a senior, and

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Speaker 9: he brings Johnny and it was like our summer team

736
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Speaker 9: that we were playing. It was an American legion back then,

737
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Speaker 9: our summer team and brought out Johnny and it was

738
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Speaker 9: like at the time he was probably already six foot

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Speaker 9: one hundred and seventy pounds as a as a fourteen

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Speaker 9: year old, and it was just one of those that

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Speaker 9: you saw he was just so much better than everybody

742
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Speaker 9: else at that point out of the superstars that the

743
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Speaker 9: guys that ended up being superstars were just always so

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Speaker 9: much better than everybody else.

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Speaker 6: And he was one of those. Yeah, pretty pretty clear

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Speaker 6: and evident. How about it?

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Speaker 4: Just a quick story about scouting Aaron Judge when you

748
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Speaker 4: were with the Yankees. What was that like when you

749
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Speaker 4: saw him in college? Maybe you saw him in high

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Speaker 4: school and and did you ever envision what he has become?

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Speaker 9: I don't think anybody would have necessarily envisioned what he's become.

752
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 9: Anybody would be lying to you, obviously. The first time

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Speaker 9: I saw Aaron was in the Cape that that summer

754
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Speaker 9: before and he was playing I don't remember if he

755
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 9: was on Brewster, if I was just watching him and

756
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Speaker 9: Brewster that day, and it was just like, who is

757
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 9: this mammoth of a human being hitting the ball so hard?

758
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 9: And then you start to watch him and it was like, oh,

759
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 9: he's playing center field. So he's athletic enough to do that.

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Speaker 9: And the game I the first game I happened to

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Speaker 9: be at, he just hit one of the hardest. It's

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Speaker 9: it's for guys that were scouting back then and people

763
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Speaker 9: that were there. I think the story's grown that you

764
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 9: know that there were like three hundred scouts there that

765
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 9: that game, But he hit one of the hardest home

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Speaker 9: runs that I still have ever seen hit. And it

767
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 9: was just like, all right, he's got this natural ability

768
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 9: with this this size and strength that other people just

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00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 9: don't have. You start to watch, you know, figure out

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00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 9: Kenny actually play the game, and the more you watched Aaron,

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Speaker 9: it was like he's got an idea of how to

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00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 9: do that as well. You find out just going back

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Speaker 9: tighten your your previous question, Rubin, and the makeup and

774
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 9: just the unbelievable makeup that the player had, you know,

775
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 9: trying to figure out that he's going to be a

776
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 9: multi time MVP and and all that stuff.

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Speaker 6: You don't have that.

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Speaker 9: I don't have that in my crystal ball with them.

779
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 9: But the idea that he had a chance to be

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00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 9: a special player. I think there were a few of

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00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 9: us that saw that, Yeah, what a pick by the

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Speaker 9: Yankees when you were there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that I mean, that's that's kind of the

784
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: exciting part of the draft is you know what might

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Speaker 2: happen down the road. And Phillies have the twenty sixth

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Speaker 2: overall pick and then sixty three one hundred first three rounds,

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Speaker 2: so three top one hundred picks.

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Speaker 9: It'll be an exciting first day July thirteenth. We've got

789
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Speaker 9: the opportunity to do all three of those picks on

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Speaker 9: that day, so it'll be nerve racking day leading up

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Speaker 9: to that. But all the work that time, most of

792
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 9: the work will be done besides just last minute phone

793
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 9: calls and things. But Sight thirteenth, hopefully we're bringing in

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Speaker 9: three players that these Phillies fans will like one day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. Well, we're shing a lot of luck, man,

796
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 4: a lot of respect from all of us. So nothing

797
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: nothing more important than bringing talent into the system.

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Speaker 5: And congrats on all your all your successes number one,

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Speaker 5: and good luck for the following few years.

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Speaker 6: Gay, Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

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