1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast is presented by win Bet. Betty's a 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: team sport bet together at win Bet. We are taping 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: here at one Jets Drive up in the Audi Performance Studio. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: A couple of days after the twenty twenty three season 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: came to a conclusion Eric Allen, Bart Scott and Nick Mangold. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Of course, really. 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Bart seven and Ton overall for these Jets in twenty 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: twenty three. I look at this in terms of a 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: three year span because the first year of this Robert 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Sala Joe Douglas regime, the partnership, you totally flip the roster. 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: You go four and twelve. 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: The second year you take some step forward you got 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: seven and ten, and then this year seven and ten again, 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: despite playing with the four different quarterbacks and having Aaron 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Rodgers for three offensive plays slash four snaps. 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it was discouraging because there was so many 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 3: high expectations and you feel like they all went away 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: when Aaron Rodgers went down. But then you find yourself 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: winning that game. Then you have new life. And what 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: they did before the buye, you know, you thought, well 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: maybe we can get it done, and yeah, we understand 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: that maybe the Super Bowl might be out of the out 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: of realistic goals. But we can get to the postseason 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: and you know, maybe we can make some noise and 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: be the team that nobody wants to play. And that 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: just fell short, right, and it fell short because of 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: a multiple toue of reasons, health, quarterback play. You know, 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: when everything goes wrong, nobody did a good enough job 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: and they have to go back to the table. But 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: the good thing and a positive thing that came out 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: of this season, but you had guys take the next step. 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: So really, you talk about Jermaine Johnson taking the next step, 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: You talk about Brees Hall taking the next step, showing 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: that he can make it through an entire season and 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: this wouldn't be one of those things where he's often injured. 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: Star with a lot of potential. You look at what 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: you know, Garrett Wilson, did you look at what Quincy? 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: Did you look? And you can go on and go on, 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: and you know you're hoping that you can project that, 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 3: you know, the amount of guys that take took that 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: jump this year, that you can have the same amount 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: of guys take the jump next year. When you look 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: at guys like Will McDonald, as you're going to have 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: to graduate a couple of guys through some tough decisions 45 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: to be made on the roster. We all know thirty 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: five percent of roster doesn't come back, and it's gonna 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: be some tough decisions. But you know, you you hope 48 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: and you believe that you know they can make the 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: right decisions. And you know, for the guys that graduate, 50 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: you wish them well and you go out and you 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: try and you know, improve this roster. 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: Mister Mango, what is your take, not just offensive line 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: injuries for the New York Jets, but as Robert Salah 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: termed it, it's a pandemic throughout the National Football League. 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: What is happening as far as the injuries up front? 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: You know, I think the biggest thing and I'm sure 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: the gonna like it, but you know, the reduced practice 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: time is hurting everybody in general. And I think what 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: you're seeing coming out of college is that kids aren't 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: as prepared as they need to be and so now 61 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: not having the same amount of practice time to get 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 4: them into the right mind frame, in the right mindset 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 4: of how to practice like a professional. And the hitting 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: in the in August training camp. You know, when you're 65 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: not hitting anybody. Your body doesn't get used to having 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: to fall down, having to deal with little ache, little 67 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: pain here and there, and how to get through that. 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: So I think the reduced practices that you know started 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: in twenty eleven with the new deal, you're now seeing that, 70 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 4: you know, ten years, eleven years later, how that's affecting 71 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 4: the big guys up front because they just they don't 72 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: have the Football is a game that you can't, especially 73 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: for offensive line, and you can't be out running around 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: on the field and then go play in a game 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: and be like, oh yeah, I in football. There's football shape, 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: there's workout shape, and there's football shape, and the only 77 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: way you get into football shape is actually playing football. 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: And so I think that as an unintended consequence of 79 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: what was fought for for those lesser practices, and that's 80 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: what we're seeing. So it's disappointing, you know, as a 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: as a guy who played the position, and especially with 82 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: the injuries, because you know, a lot of times injuries 83 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: aren't your fault. You know, they're just a freak accident 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: that happens, and you know it stinks, and so to 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: have that happen as much as it is around the League. 86 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: Knowing guys aren't being able to perform to their highest 87 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: level and show what they can do is disappointing. 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with Nick Moore, right, And you know 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: when we fall for that, or people fall for that, 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: it was fighting for the wrong thing, right, because you 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: know football the reason I gain and Vincembardi said it right, 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: it's the best subject being taught because the only thing 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: in which we can't make easy. And then we go 94 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: out and we try and make it easy. Right, And 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: you can say, Okay, I'm simulating, I'm hitting dummies and 96 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: all that stuff, but that doesn't get you ready for 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: what you got to do on Sunday. So now what 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: happens is it's the law diminishing returns. Right. You're not 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: putting anything in, so you're not getting anything out. 100 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: Right. 101 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: It's about building a callus, right, you don't you don't 102 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: prepare for a mile run by running a mile, you 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: run two miles. You don't prepare for the hundred by 104 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: running a hundred. You're running two hundred, right, So you 105 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: can build that that that callus, that strength, that endurance. Right. 106 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: We see it happening all throughout sports. Right, It's funny 107 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: you look at baseball like guy like you know Ryan Nolan, 108 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan, right, you know, pitch full, full complete games. 109 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: Now guys can't go past six innings, right, because they're 110 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: trying to do things that make it easy, and life 111 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: isn't easy. But that's a that's a microcosm to me 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: of society. We try and make everything microwaveable instant, and 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: it doesn't work that way. So what happens is now, 114 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: because you don't have the practice time. Now the product 115 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: is diluted because when you go to the backup, you 116 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: rarely have time to let the backup practice because you 117 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: got to try and get the starter ready because youve 118 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: got limited time. So then when the backup get it there, 119 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: then the product is horrible. This has been the worst 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: football that I've seen, really in years. Yes, as a whole, 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: it is horrible. It is not high end football being played. 122 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: You see guys can't run the ball, don't know how 123 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: to move guys away. You'll see the football acumen, right, 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: you see guys come in and all you have to 125 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: do is look at the product and listen to some 126 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 3: of the greats. Don't listen to me. Look at what 127 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: Tom Brady is saying right, the execution, right, the gamesmanship, 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: you know what I mean of coming You got four 129 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: or five, You got maybe five or six teams that 130 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: play football at a high level, and when you look 131 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 3: at them, they're all guys that got old school guys. 132 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: Rather you talk about Kansas City and Andy Reid, Rather 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: you talk about Mike Tomlin, right, you know, that's why 134 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: he can play with a lesser roster and win. You 135 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: talk about the Ravens and what John Harbo does, plays 136 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: that physical brand of football. You talk about Kyle Shanahan, who, 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: even though he's younger, is from the old school. Right. 138 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: So you look at all these new coaches that come in, like, 139 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: these guys can't execute because these guys can't stay healthy, 140 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: and they have rosters in which guys come from these 141 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: spread offenses. And it comes down to when you have 142 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: to try and move a man who gets his will 143 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: and you don't know how because you don't get enough 144 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: practice doing it, knowing knowing how to scoop block. That's 145 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: why the teachers are winning right now. That's why Bill 146 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: Callahan can get that offensive line when they're on their 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: fifth and sixth offensive lineman because he's a teacher. And 148 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: no matter what, he'll take the physicality out and give 149 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: you the mental stuff and give you the mental reps 150 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: and say we're not doing this, and get guys out 151 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: there early and get them to come out and practice 152 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: and work on technique. Right with technique. If we're not 153 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: gonna go against this defensive line, were about to service ourselves. 154 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: But we're gonna get ready, We're gonna hit each other. 155 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting, as it is every offseason, how 156 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: the Jets are going to attack this the chess pieces 157 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: upfront along that offensive line. Because we just taped television 158 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: show CBS just Game Day with Roberts and we're talking 159 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: about foundational pieces. You like what you saw out of 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: Joe Tipman early. I know you really high. I think 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: you both are really high on Elijah Vera Tucker. But 162 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: then Lank and Tomlinson's been a constant. He was the 163 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: one constant up front. There are some decisions to be 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: made obviously at the tackle position. 165 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a big off season, I think 166 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: for Joe Douglas and how he attacks this offensive line 167 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: and the struggles that they've had keeping guys healthy, and 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: I think you know that's a big thing that they 169 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: really need to look at is how they can keep 170 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: guys healthy, because you know, offensive lines are best when 171 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: it's five guys in the same position for the whole year. Yeah, 172 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: you know, if you can get that done, that's huge, 173 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 4: you know, and I know that from experience. I think 174 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: we were able to pull it off for two straight years. 175 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 4: It was Me Brick, Alan Fanico, Brandon Moore, and Damian 176 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: Woody for year. So you have thirty two games where 177 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: you only had five guys playing, and so that was 178 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: and you get to a point, like Brandon and I 179 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: played together for eight years. 180 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: I think it was eight years. 181 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: You get to a point where we don't have to 182 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: make calls to each other because we know, you know, 183 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: I knew what he was thinking, he knew what I 184 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 4: was thinking. 185 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: It's time in the meeting rooms. 186 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: It's a film study, watching the same thing, seeing it, 187 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: being able to see the plays happen in the same eyes, 188 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: two different guys with the same eyes. So to have 189 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: that ability to have that continuity is huge, And so 190 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be big on Joe Douglas of 191 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: figuring out, hey, you know what's going on, what we're 192 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: wrong and trying to fix that, but also get guys 193 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: here that we'll stay here, you know, And that doesn't 194 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: go just for offense line. I think it goes for 195 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: team culture as well. You look at longest tenured guys 196 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 4: on the team, and you know, the list is not long, 197 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: and I think that shows you know, where we have 198 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 4: come from in a drafting world. We haven't been able 199 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: to keep guys here for a long time. You know, 200 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: when I first came in, you had guys here like 201 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas was here for eleven years or so, yeah, 202 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: big cat. You know, Sean Elis he was a long 203 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: term guy, and that and Brandon Moore long term guy. 204 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: Chad Pennington he was here, you know for a good amount. 205 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 4: But you have these guys that are around that know 206 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: what it's like to be in this locker room, in 207 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: this market, in this city, and I think that goes 208 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: a long way. You know, when your longest tenure guys 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: four years, that's not the experience that you can pass 210 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: down for you guys new guys coming in, you know, 211 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: And I think that that makes it tricky. You know, 212 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: you look at Brick and Brick and I were here 213 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: for ten and eleven years having that constant stability and 214 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: finding guys who can do that, because it's not it's 215 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 4: not just you know, being the like, oh, well this 216 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: guy has been here, so we're going to keep him. 217 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: But you know, he's done well enough to keep him, 218 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 4: and so that goes in your scouting department and everything. 219 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: So it's gonna be That's a big thing that I've noticed, 220 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 4: you know, looking you know, over the past couple of years, 221 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 4: is that you need to find guys who are going 222 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: to stay here. 223 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: You know, when you think about offensive lines and those 225 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: who have the best, you think about Staples, right, and 226 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: you talk about like the Jets doesn't don't have a 227 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: hundred million dollar guy, right, You don't don't have the 228 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: big money guy. Right, you look at all the good lines. 229 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: They got a guy to Hey, we pay you to 230 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: be the war daddy here and we're gonna hold you 231 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: accountable to stay healthy and to play at a high level. 232 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: Whether you talk about Trent Williams out there now, you 233 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: talk about Pinay Seul or or was it a regular 234 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: Renfew or whatever his name is for the Lions, Oh yeah, yeah, right, 235 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: you talk about Lindsay down in Atlanta, right, you talk 236 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: about you know, Slater, but before that it was Corey 237 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: Lindsay and uh and and with the charge, right, we 238 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: don't have a guy that Okay, he was brought in, 239 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't drafted or whatever. Maybe he was drafted, 240 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: but he got paid the money. Like so you talk 241 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: about where the money is spent on this team's you know, 242 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: lengthen came in. That was a very you know, team friendly, 243 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: you know type of deal. I'm talking about paying a 244 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: war daddy to come here, Trent Williams, where you make 245 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: him one hundred million dollar. Man, we need one of 246 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: those guys that we can hold accountable, that we can 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: say this is our anchor. Everything rocks off of him. 248 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: We can slide and leave him on the island, you know, 249 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: you know, and he can. He's gonna dominate the best 250 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: athlete that left tackle. We're gonna win that side every time. 251 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: It's time for them to invest in that guy that 252 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: before that was before they paid you know, this guy, 253 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: before they paid the Brigershaw, they paid Fanica, they paid 254 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: Woody to come in. They put they put money, real 255 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: money in it, and you know the results were amazing, right, 256 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 3: And Brandon Moore's guy that they developed. Who knows is 257 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: that Carter Warren that they developed? Is that very Tucker 258 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: that they developed? Who is it that they developed? You know? 259 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: So you got it. You got a guy that's like 260 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: a no name guy. You can go all the way back. 261 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: You can go all the way back to even to 262 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: when I played with the Ravens, right drafted sucks Ray 263 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: was the guy. I was the guy that they developed. 264 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: But before me, it was Ed Hartwell they developed and 265 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: it was a rotating place. Right before that, it was 266 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: Jamie Sharper they developed. Right, you got to have like 267 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: a mixture of like developing guys because it always rotates 268 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: because you know, as guys go out. And they did 269 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: a good job on the pass rushers. Right when you 270 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: think about they developed Huff, Oh yeah, right, he's gonna 271 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: he may they may be able to keep him slapping 272 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: with the franchise tag, or he may graduate out. But 273 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: that's fine because now you got to bring in McDonald, 274 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: make him that guy, and then who's going to be 275 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: the guy that replaces Huff. That's a guy that comes 276 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: from nowhere that you develop and it may take two 277 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: or three years, but then you get him for three 278 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: and four and it's like, man, this guy's gonna get paid, right. 279 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: That's that's how you have to have it going. It's 280 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: got to be a constant turnover of guys that you developed. 281 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: It's got to be guys that stay long term, and 282 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: it's guys that come from out that comes here just 283 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: to specifically win for a year or two. That's how 284 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: it's done. 285 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: How much does Aaron Rodgers change the culture? Not him 286 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: being here a jet, but actually being here every day 287 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: and leaning the team on Sundays. How much can he 288 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: help change the culture. 289 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: I thought that was a big move on his part, 290 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: you know, And I think that is just shows his commitment. 291 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: I think to this team that you know, he stuck 292 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: around because there are a lot of guys who have 293 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: gone on IR who disappear and you know, you don't 294 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: see until the next offseason, so. 295 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: Go ahead. 296 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: I think that that's a big thing of a guy 297 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: that wants to help out, wants to change, and wants 298 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: to make guys better. You know, I remember what I've 299 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: got put on I R I think I have like 300 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: four weeks, five weeks left, and I was still here 301 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: in the meetings watching the film and you know, standing 302 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: out of practice. They didn't let me on the sidelines 303 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: because I was in boot and couldn't protect myself, But 304 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: you know, it was it was one of those things 305 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: that you want to be here to try to help, 306 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 4: and when you have guys who want do that, it's 307 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: huge for the organization. 308 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: He's completely old school. 309 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I know people pay attention to a lot of the 310 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: things that Rogers brings to the table, whether it be 311 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: on the field or off the field, but the way 312 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: he is inside the room, inside the building, the relationships 313 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: he's already forged here. I mean, everything about him is 314 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: old school football. 315 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: I mean you can see and I can see it 316 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: every week when I talk to Garrett Wilson, right, you know, 317 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: I interview him every week, and like when you bring 318 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: up Rogers, he gets giddy. He starts smiling, like yo, 319 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: Like what does the system look like? He's like, Aaron 320 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: Rodgers is the system, right? And he starts smiling. Right. 321 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: So they lets you know that he's found a way 322 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: in a total gap because Aaron Rodgers is my age 323 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: to connect with guys that are from totally that grew 324 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: up totally different. That college experience is totally different society 325 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: in the world in which they grew up in is 326 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: totally different, and he's finding ways to connect, right, and 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: he's putting in the world like sending him on there 328 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: with the you know, at the at the k next game, 329 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: at the Rangers game, that had nothing about him doing that. 330 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: He could have went there himself, setting the suite, or 331 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: went and hung out with some way higher profile people. 332 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: But he was able to you know, connect and bring 333 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: those guys up to his world, you know what I'm saying. 334 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: And he's still able to go down to their world 335 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: because it's different levels and status. It's he's a different 336 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: status star, different status of person, just simply also because 337 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: its age and it's fame. But he brought those guys 338 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: up and gave them a look into his world, and 339 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: yet he still is able to come to their world. 340 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. Right. We used to have 341 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: Monday Night at Barts, right, We used to do all 342 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: kind of goofy stuff. It wasn't about Okay, I just 343 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: wanted to watch it, you know, do that stuff. My 344 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: wife was gracious enough to allow me to have people over. 345 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: But then we get up and we get out and 346 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: we go out to the clubs and stuff like that. 347 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: I'm not even the club and type of guy, but 348 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: I knew that when you get guys in that in 349 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: that element, w W. Well, when you get but when 350 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: you get guys out of their element, it's able, it's 351 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: able to it's able to get you to it's able 352 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: to allow you to connect. People will let their guards out. 353 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: Because the most important thing for me to ever know 354 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: about my teammate is is why, and is what? How 355 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: can I motivate them? If I don't know what motivates them? 356 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: And I only know that by having intimate conversations with him, 357 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: sitting them when he lets his guard down and befriend you, 358 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: and know who they are and what they stand for 359 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: and what they're all about. And you know, coming from 360 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 3: different places, different ethnic groups, different economic social classes, you know, 361 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: different regions of the world, different races and religious That's hard, right, 362 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 3: because we all have like these built up stereotypes about 363 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: each other, and you only break those walls down by 364 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: you know, communicating and talking to each other. 365 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 4: That's why Oline Dinners, I mean, that was a huge 366 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: thing for Oline Dinners because it gives you the opportunity 367 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: to get to know guys, and that's that plays a 368 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: big part in it, you know, like when Willie Clone 369 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: first got here, right, I knew if Willy as a player, 370 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 4: you know, Pittsburgh and everything, but I didn't know what 371 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: and so to take the opportunity. And you know, this 372 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: was twenty thirteen, twelve thirteen, so we're around there, so 373 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: it'd been around for a little while. 374 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: But to sit down and be like it will come 375 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: on over and we'll chat. 376 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 4: And there was there was one night we did a 377 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: big barbecue at the house and it's just a line, 378 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: you know, and it's like nobody else know. 379 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: We're not going out. We're not big club people. 380 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 4: That is that's facts because you let guys. Guys will 381 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 4: really let their guard down when there's there's no cameras, 382 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: there's no nothing, just you're hanging out. And I remember 383 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: we were sitting around the fire pit after dinner. We're 384 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: all just hanging out and may have had a cigar 385 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 4: or two and Willie, let's take a shirt off. Yeah, 386 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: and he's got a big old chain with a lacross 387 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: on it. Right, And so there's Willy sitting in my 388 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: backyard and my son at the time, he had to 389 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: be like three or four, and he was heading off 390 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 4: the bed. 391 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: So he came out say good. 392 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 4: Night, and the look in his eyes was so big 393 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 4: Willy sitting there without a shirt on. But like so 394 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: then Willy gets to see, oh, you know, he's got 395 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: kids like that, and so that's part of his why 396 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: you know, and you know, and then finding out about 397 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 4: Willy and his story and you know, the bronx and 398 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 4: his mom and everything. I thought he was black poor. 399 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: See you find things out, but alone. 400 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: I just learned last week week last weeks. 401 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: My last names colone. I was like a cut of 402 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: I know you spent. 403 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: So that like and that's something that you know, I 404 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: think is really important team building wise, and you see 405 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: it out of Aaron and you know, getting to know guys, 406 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 4: getting to know their story, and it's got to be tough. 407 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I I know, my sister is sixteen years 408 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: younger than me. 409 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what she's got going on. 410 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: TikTok what they're saying slang, I can't get like a 411 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: cat cat Yeah, capital letters, capital grill, what are we 412 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: talking about? So to be able to do that connection, 413 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 4: I think it's something special that you know, it shows 414 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 4: why Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers. 415 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: But in his football intelligence is freaking ridiculous. 416 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: To have The people that play football are stupid, man. 417 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: But he's really smart. 418 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: Even you got, you got, he can play to be 419 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: fifty just using his brain because he's doing so dumb. Yeah, 420 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: but can we just focus on him? 421 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: I know where you are with some of these cats, 422 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: but the way he breaks things down, and you definitely 423 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: can tell he's got an appetite for ball. When he 424 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: gets on McAfee every week, he's talking about every game 425 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: what quarterbacks did in East. 426 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's also a kid. I'm also a 427 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: guy that does have wife and kids. So much time 428 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: on stands. Yeah, imagine. 429 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: It's all you all the time, spend my money on 430 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: but just me? 431 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: But oh different? Okay, so just gonna address the offensive line. 432 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: We know that, but just having him under center, how 433 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: different does it all look? 434 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it's not like we don't know what 435 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: it looks like. We've seen it for you know what, 436 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: sixteen years in Green Bay, so we know what it 437 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 3: looks like. It's special. That's why everybody was so excited 438 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: and we wanted to see could he duplicate that here? 439 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: And how long will it take for him to get 440 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: in the rhythm and a flow and stuff like that. 441 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: Unfortunately we never got to see it. You know, it's 442 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: crazy because like you wonder with the injury, and we 443 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: thought that he maybe he was gonna try and come back. 444 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 3: Did you play the preseason? Like it's all those types 445 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: of things, right, like do we know if he can 446 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: take a hit, he's gonna do it in the preseason 447 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 3: because I thought that was the one positive thing for 448 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: me to see, like if he came back, was for 449 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: him to get tackled for him to believe in it. 450 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: But now you know, they don't play and it's no 451 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: contact in the preseason and guys won't playing the preseason, 452 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: so we won't be able to know. 453 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: So you would have liked to see him play, even 454 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: though I. 455 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: Just want him to get hit, right, I want to 456 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: get tackled and say okay, yeah right, so now like 457 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: you think you know, but you don't know until you 458 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: actually get hit. And I was hoping that maybe we 459 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: can get that hurdle out the way this year, so 460 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 3: then going into next year, it'd be no doubt, no fear, because. 461 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: You're about that A lot of guys with knees when 462 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: they get their knees repaired. It takes that first time 463 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: being out and getting hit or making a cut and 464 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: being like all right, it's still good, Like I'm good, 465 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: I can I got over that hump. 466 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: Or you hear that that scar teste you break and 467 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, it's just Scar Titcher, It's not hurt again. 468 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: Stuff just got to move around, you know what I mean. 469 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: Do you think people more than ever gonna count him 470 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: out now after an Achilles forty coming back? 471 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 3: No, you don't know. Listen, the dude didn't play for 472 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: four years. Nobody even hits the quarterback anymore. Like at 473 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: this point, you're going to see quarterbacks play longer and 474 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: longer and longer as long as they want to because 475 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: simply just simply because it's not like the old school, right, 476 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: So like I always say that, like we always talk 477 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: about this, Like you can say he's forty, I'm saying 478 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: he's thirty seven because he in those first three years. Yeah, 479 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: you play, you got no mob. Listen. I've seen guys 480 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: that were twenty five. That was the oldest twenty five. 481 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: Like I said, a mar Bradshaw was the oldest running 482 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: back I've ever seen in football. This dudees. 483 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: Years off of Manginie. 484 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a whole different podcast. 485 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 4: I mean those were that was back when you're doing 486 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: two d Boys, you know, like and it's it's one 487 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: of those like old guys sitting on the couch and 488 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: I'm going to do it. But the guys right now 489 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 4: because they got rid of two days and everything, don't 490 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 4: know the pain of putting on a wet knee brace 491 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: because it's still wet from the sweat from the morning practice. Yeah, 492 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 4: that you're putting it on for the afternoon practice. Oh 493 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 4: stay up? 494 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah right, you're telling people that's trying to make the 495 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: team stay up. They come there like a bat out 496 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: of hell. Every player is you on to the ground. 497 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: You just hear the cool stay up like yeah whatever. 498 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: So different people's wearing tears definitely a real thing. 499 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I completely understand. And I got empathy for the fans 500 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: when they say they don't like hearing we're close because 501 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: it's been the thirteen years. So it's that dichotomy where 502 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: they really are. But I know that from a fan perspective, 503 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: it's like, you guys got. 504 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: To do it. It's about luck too. How mean, how 505 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: many times how many Super Bowl champions will be seeing 506 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: go from six back in the day when they only 507 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: play sixteen games, go from six to ten to the 508 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. That was like the staple. Somebody go from 509 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: six to ten, they make a couple of free agent changes, 510 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: come in six to ten to Super Bowl. Right when 511 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: we went to the MC Championship, we were coming off 512 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: of what with Brett Favor and all that stuff. Right, 513 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: eight eight, right, eight and eight, and you go, you 514 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: end up. 515 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: In your seven to nine and. 516 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: You end up right next AFC Championship, right, Like it 517 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: happens like that. It's a small, it's not big gap 518 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: between going from good to great. Right. It comes about 519 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: winning some some late games and winning some close games. 520 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: Right, guys were either or ninety seven by the way, Yeah, yeah, 521 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: didn't want. 522 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: To come back. 523 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: Player of the year. Remember that final game coming back? 524 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: I think they won time you got you guys, you 525 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: one time Miami won the division two thousand, two thousand, 526 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: the Kitty Cat, Yeah, I think nine and seven. That's 527 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: when they had the kid. Remember that Seattle game? Was 528 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: that was tough? 529 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was sall. That was a tough one. 530 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: There was a lot of tough ones at the end there. 531 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, to go back to that. But but you go, guys, 532 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: go for so seven and nine. Winning four games, isn't 533 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: that big of a difference this thing Atlanta first Patriots game, Raiders, Chargers, 534 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: That's all it takes. Those are the table games. 535 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: And I think the tough part is looking at from 536 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: the fans side, is yeah, you know, you can say 537 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 4: we were close and you know, right there knocking at 538 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 4: the door. But when you get to a certain long 539 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: term issue and you're like, ah, it's now it's thirteen 540 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: years we haven't been in the playoffs, like you're you 541 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: got that itch. 542 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: And long it's the longest in the NFL, right, yes. 543 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: I think it's longest in professional sports. 544 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: I think it's tied with the Buffalo Sabers. 545 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 4: And so like when you I know the Buffalo, So 546 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 4: you know, I think as a fan, like when you say, 547 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 4: when you hear it that way, like, well, we're not 548 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 4: close because it's it has been such a drought. And 549 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: that's that's difficult because you know, fans, they put their 550 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 4: their fandom to the test every week and every season 551 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 4: they come in. You know, you have your high hopes 552 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: and you want to do well and when it doesn't, 553 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 4: because you know you cheer, and you can affect the 554 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: games for home games, but in the end, you know 555 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: it's the players out there and the coaches who are 556 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 4: ultimately getting the job done, and so you're rooting for 557 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: something that you have very little control over, yet you're very. 558 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: Passionate about it. So it's it's it's got. 559 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 4: To be tough after thirteen years knowing there like, well, 560 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 4: maybe maybe there's next year. 561 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: You don't like that. 562 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm saying, damn it. I'm just as you said thirteen. 563 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, damn right, trying to think that's my son 564 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: is ten. 565 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: I think twenty four is the year it turns. 566 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: Oh, so you guys got you guys got the FC 567 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 3: South Man. 568 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Come on, man, my son's never seen a playoff game. 569 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Wow, we'll change that next year. Our technical director Matt 570 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: Sikoff just walked in here. I think you wanted to 571 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: be part of the podcast. The final one here twenty 572 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: twenty three seasons. 573 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: But wrap it up. 574 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: We thank everybody for listening, subscribe, rate, and review, and 575 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: also for those watching on YouTube bang the like button. 576 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: We will come back throughout the off season.