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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Now Urumber two, Friday edition, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: My thanks to Tulsie Gabbard, Julie Kelly gonna join us.

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Speaker 2: At the bottom of the hour. Speaker of the House

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson wanted to talk with all of you as well.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate in particular Tulsi and the Speaker of the

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Speaker 2: Labor Day holiday, so we added them to the roster

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Speaker 2: and they are fantastic editions. Encourage all you to be

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Speaker 2: safe on your travel. Many of you across the country traveling,

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Speaker 2: including my own family for the Labor Day holiday. So

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Speaker 2: we appreciate all of you listening either on the five

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Speaker 2: on podcast. And hello to everyone watching it. Clayanbuck dot com.

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Speaker 2: You've gotten just me this week.

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Speaker 1: Buck. We'll be back on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back together to sprint through the final sixty

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Speaker 2: days or so of the campaign. We are joined now

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Speaker 2: by Isabelle Brown, one of the conversations we've been having

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Speaker 2: this week since Sunday, when there was a major gender

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Speaker 2: divide revealed in the eighteen to twenty nine year old

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Speaker 2: community is men are voting by double digits for Trump.

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Speaker 2: If only men were voting, Trump would have a Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan Walter Mondale style landslide. But Kamala has got a

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Speaker 2: double digit lead among women according to the data. And

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Speaker 2: let me say this, many of you out there who

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Speaker 2: are women feel compelled to email me and say I'm

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Speaker 2: a woman and I'm voting for Donald Trump. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I understand that many women are voting for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: When I say that women are voting for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 2: it is the collective group of women, not you individually.

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Speaker 2: But I do appreciate the emails letting me know that

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Speaker 2: you are a woman and that you were voting for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. We are joined now by another woman who

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Speaker 2: is I bet voting for Donald Trump. She is Isabelle Brown.

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Speaker 2: She has got a book out about how gen Z

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Speaker 2: can save the world. Isabelle gen Z, thank you for

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Speaker 2: joining us eighteen to twenty nine year olds.

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Speaker 1: Men in that.

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Speaker 2: Group are voting for Trump by twelve points. Pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: You're right in your book about how gen z can

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Speaker 2: save the world. If we're talking about men who are

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Speaker 2: voting plus twelve women according to The New York Times

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Speaker 2: Sunday voting plus thirty eight for Kamala Harris in the

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Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty nine year old demo. What say you

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Speaker 2: do you buy the gender divide being that substantial right now?

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Speaker 1: And thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for having me. It's such a

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Speaker 3: pleasure to be back, Clay. And you know there is

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Speaker 3: a substantial gender divide that is taking root in America

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Speaker 3: today and should be of the utmost concern to anyone

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Speaker 3: paying attention to future demographics, not just politically, but even

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Speaker 3: on a relationship basis. I read a study the other

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Speaker 3: day that found forty five percent of twenty five to

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Speaker 3: forty four year olds as women are expected to be

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Speaker 3: single and childless by the year twenty to thirty based

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Speaker 3: on current projections. So this transcends even who sits in

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Speaker 3: the Oval office in November, but how our two genders

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Speaker 3: can learn how to communicate and live together moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Young men are extraordinary today in their overwhelming support not

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Speaker 3: just of Donald Trump, but of conservative ideas. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's happening because there's been an attack on masculinity

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Speaker 3: for so long that we have forgotten it's okay to

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Speaker 3: be a man. But out of the last several years,

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Speaker 3: you see voices like yours and bucks like Jordan Peterson,

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, Brandon Tatum reminding young men it's okay to

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Speaker 3: be masculine. You were made this way for a reason,

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Speaker 3: and that courage in boldness is starting to become contagious.

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Speaker 3: The war on women, however, started several years later, and

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing as the same attack on masculinity now

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Speaker 3: say we are proud of our women. We are different

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Speaker 3: from men, and that's okay. But it has to have

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you mentioned young men.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've told this story on the air,

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Speaker 2: There's always games wiffleball, everything going on. But one of

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Speaker 2: them said to me, mister Clay, he was like, the

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Speaker 2: And I think there's probably if you have kid boys,

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Speaker 2: it was a really kind of clarifying moment for me

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Speaker 2: sitting in a classroom hearing about all these awful things

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Speaker 2: men have done. And I think, to your point, Isabelle,

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Speaker 2: that has now filtered through and there's this generation of

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Speaker 2: younger men that went through that indoctrination who have looked

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Speaker 3: Taught absolutely, And I couldn't have said it better myself

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Speaker 3: than that twelve year old talk about wisdom not necessarily

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Speaker 3: world as it's unfolding right now. I think that really

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Speaker 3: applies to gen Z at large. You know, there's this

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Speaker 3: huge blame game that's being played in American politics right now,

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Speaker 3: and I touch on this quite substantially in my book

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Speaker 3: that came out in March called The End of the Alphabet,

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Speaker 3: that Gen Z is really receiving the pointing end of

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Speaker 3: the finger for why everything is unraveling in Western culture,

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Speaker 3: in America and beyond. But the truth is, most of

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Speaker 3: Generation Z are still teenagers. They are, in fact the

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Speaker 3: targets of a very targeted campaign from people in positions

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Speaker 3: culture that are doing what they can to indoctrinate these

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Speaker 3: going to be in systems of oppression from a patriarchy,

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Speaker 3: that women are going to literally die if they don't

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Speaker 3: vote to enshrine abortion through all nine months of pregnancy,

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Speaker 3: or even younger children, that they should chop their genitals

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Speaker 3: far more interesting as to why those older than us

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Speaker 2: You mentioned something important, and I might be an old

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Speaker 2: did you say that forty five percent of young women

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Speaker 1: Was that the statue gave us?

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Speaker 3: It is a new stat that just dropped this week

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I had my and when I say I

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Speaker 2: had my I'm not a democrat. My wife had them.

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Speaker 2: But we had our first child. I was twenty eight

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Speaker 2: getting married doesn't make you an adult because you can

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Speaker 2: still live.

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Speaker 1: You just got married, didn't you, or you're about.

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Speaker 3: To get married dead at the end of JUNI yep.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations Isabelle Brown with this newlywed So and I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you found this to be the case. But

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Speaker 2: when I when we got married, I was twenty five

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Speaker 2: years old. I was relatively young. I didn't think that

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Speaker 2: we're still in our twenties and we still have a

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Speaker 2: lot of freedom. Even though we're in a union. Individually,

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Speaker 2: you can still do a lot of things that you

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Speaker 2: relatively speaking, when I had my first child. When we

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Speaker 2: had our first child, our lives changed tremendously. Kid two,

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Speaker 2: Kid three less so. But obviously that is now the

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Speaker 2: focus of our lives. If people don't have children, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about you know that somehow judging, but

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Speaker 2: it seems to me that there is, even if you

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Speaker 2: get married, a perpetual adolescence which allows you to believe

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Speaker 1: Really I'm curious for you.

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Speaker 2: I know the quarter life crisis is a thing, and

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Speaker 2: I think a part of this is many young people

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Speaker 2: they're wondering what is the meaning of life? If you're

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Speaker 3: Perceive it, absolutely, And I love how you phrased that

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Speaker 3: shift we're seeing in society today is to encourage perpetual selfishness,

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Speaker 3: which is also rooted in adolescents. Right, everyone can remember

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Speaker 3: for growth, for intimacy with others, and for a purpose

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Speaker 3: that's so much bigger than serving ourselves. So while these

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Speaker 3: ultimately I see a lot of hopes because we're watching

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Speaker 3: for a temporary time, a career, a friend group, social media, fame,

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Speaker 3: which is why, at least anecdotally, everyone in my community

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Speaker 3: and I realize I'm a bit skewed in a more

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Speaker 3: wanting to have children. There's this desire to revive the

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Speaker 2: The end of the Alpha that Isabelle Brown is our

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Speaker 2: newlywed guest right now. How gen Z can save America? Okay,

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Speaker 2: last question for you Isabelle. We get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Let me just say this right off the top, you

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Speaker 6: Thank you. That means so much. You guys have just

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Speaker 6: Well, he had to file this to conform with the

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Speaker 6: hanging on by a thread. There's a hearing next week,

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Speaker 6: Clay on the September fifth, Thursday, I will be in Washington.

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Speaker 6: I will cover this hearing to see what the next

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Speaker 6: steps are after the superseding indictment was filed.

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Speaker 2: So when we think about time, and I know a

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Speaker 2: huge part of our discussion with you over the years

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Speaker 2: has always been and Julie, about time, because the election

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Speaker 2: is a little over sixty days away now. Basically this case,

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Speaker 2: even if Judge Chuckkin wanted to move in rapid fashion,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like DC is going to have any

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Speaker 2: substantial impact in terms of being able to restrict Trump

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Speaker 2: in a substantial way between now and November. Is it

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Speaker 2: fair to say that even with Jack Smith's actions.

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Speaker 6: That's absolutely one hundred percent accurate, Clay, There's no way,

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Speaker 6: no matter how much. And we saw this with Judge

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Speaker 6: Timy chuck in the Obama appoint presiding over this case.

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Speaker 6: We saw her desperation to get this to trial, setting

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Speaker 6: an impossible seven months schedule between indictment and trial. She

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Speaker 6: wanted this to go to trial left March. But of

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Speaker 6: course the immunity issue, this is an unprecedented case. It

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Speaker 6: had to work through the appellate court and then the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court. She when it was kicked back to her,

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Speaker 6: she filed a really quick schedule trying to get a

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Speaker 6: status report in this hearing, and Jack Smith actually had

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Speaker 6: to say whoaa, whoa, No, we're not ready yet. You

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Speaker 6: have to go through the indictment compared to the Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court ruling, we'll get back to you, which is what

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Speaker 6: they did this week. It is there is absolutely zero

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Speaker 6: chances goes to trial, certainly before the election, not this year,

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Speaker 6: not next year, and certainly Donald Trump wins. This is

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Speaker 6: a dead letter anyway. But in the meantime, he gets

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Speaker 6: to inject January sixth back in the headlines, Clay, that

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Speaker 6: is the purpose of the super student indictment. He knows

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Speaker 6: that there will be no meaningful legal activity on this

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Speaker 6: for the rest of the year. But they get to

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Speaker 6: again say remind voters and tie Donald Trump to January sixth,

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Speaker 6: so called insurrection. And that's the really shady, really inexcusable

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Speaker 6: part of all of this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, New York City, I was surprised, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you were, that Alvin Bragg's team actually came out

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Speaker 2: and said, yeah, we don't oppose the request from Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump to postpone sentencing. To see how this came. That's

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Speaker 2: the New York City felony case might have been implicated

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Speaker 2: by the presidential privileged ruling as well. I kind of

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Speaker 2: found that stunning. Now it's entirely on Judge Merchand right

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Speaker 2: now they have a sentencing date. You correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Julie. I believe September eighteenth is when that

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Speaker 2: next core hearing would be. And it's now entirely on

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Speaker 2: Merchand's shoulders exclusively for him to be rendering a punishment.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised by Bragg's filing saying, hey, we don't

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Speaker 2: oppose this, and what do you think merchan does now?

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Speaker 6: Well, they really can't because the conviction deals with Donald's

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Speaker 6: activity that Donald Trump conducted or did when he was president.

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Speaker 6: So the document's case in Florida was all post presidential,

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Speaker 6: but these are alleged offenses that happen when Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: was president, and so Alvin Berg really had no choice

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Speaker 6: but to say, we need to figure out what elements

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Speaker 6: in the indictment and the conviction deal with potential immunized conduct,

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Speaker 6: which and I will be posting this this afternoon Clay

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Speaker 6: for your listeners. The new motion that Donald Trump's lawyers

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Speaker 6: styled yesterday, acting the Federal Court in New York to

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Speaker 6: move this from the state court to the federal court

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Speaker 6: so they could hash out these federal immunity issues. So

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Speaker 6: we'll see what the federal court says there. But two

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Speaker 6: days before the sentencing craze, Judge Marchon says that he's

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Speaker 6: going to issue an order to determine what elements in

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Speaker 6: the conviction would be protected by immunity and what won't.

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Speaker 6: My expectation is that Wan Marsham will come back single

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Speaker 6: handedly say that all of the testimony, all of the

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Speaker 6: evidence in that case relates to personal or political private

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Speaker 6: activities and it's not covered by bus the Supreme Court opinion,

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Speaker 6: and then two days later try to hold some sort

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Speaker 6: of sentencing hearing. I think he is perhaps the most

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Speaker 6: unhinged out of all of them, and that's saying a lot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Judge Merchan again sixteenth, he has to make that decision

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Speaker 2: September sixteenth and the eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the chances are that he tries

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Speaker 1: to put Trump in prison?

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Speaker 6: I honestly do think it's slim. Because of the nature

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Speaker 6: of the convictions, it would be unusual to sentence him

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Speaker 6: to any jail time. Even if he does usually then

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Speaker 6: you report to prison two to three months later. I

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Speaker 6: can't see any situation where he would ask for him

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Speaker 6: to be immediately taken into custody. But you know what,

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Speaker 6: cret what's going on in that courtroom. It is so unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Here you have a judge whose daughter is raking in

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Speaker 6: millions of dollars every month from Democrats, and she I

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Speaker 6: reported on this. She called in thirteen million dollars between

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Speaker 6: January one of this year and June thirtieth, while the

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Speaker 6: proceedings were going on in her father's courtroom. She picked

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Speaker 6: up new clients and like Gretchen Whitmer and others known

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Speaker 6: Trump haters, who have paid her all this money while

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Speaker 6: these proceedings are going on. What's even more astonishing is

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Speaker 6: Lan Marschan still has a gap order on Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: preventing him from saying anything publicly about his daughter Lauren

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Speaker 6: Marshan and her business feelings the Democrats. So I guess

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Speaker 6: I would have to say, I really can't put on

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Speaker 6: anything past this judge at this point, his contempt and

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Speaker 6: his daughter's contempt, and of course profiting off of what's

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Speaker 6: happening to Donald Trump, putting him in jail. Would only

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Speaker 6: be good for the Marshan family business.

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: But also can you imagine, Julie, the rending of garments

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Speaker 2: and history onics that we would see if on September eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: Judge Merchand says, okay, guilty, punishment is a two hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine. Like I just for me, I just

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Speaker 2: look at this, and I say, Democrats have been built

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Speaker 2: up to expect a pound of flesh here, right, that

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Speaker 2: is what they have been taught associated with these Trump

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Speaker 2: criminal trials. If the only thing that happens is Merchand

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Speaker 2: institute some form of like house, you know, like some

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Speaker 2: form of probation and a sentence of a fine. After

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Speaker 2: all this, I just think Democrats are going to lose

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Speaker 2: their minds.

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Speaker 6: They will, And I think that's a really good point

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Speaker 6: and probably would justify his sentencing. Trump to you know,

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Speaker 6: a few months in prison, and he can do that

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Speaker 6: with any risk because he knows it's never going to happen,

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Speaker 6: because if the case has not completely vacated the convictions

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Speaker 6: based on the Supreme Court ruling and all of the appeals. Therefore,

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Speaker 6: he knows that Donald Trump, with the Secret Service considerations

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Speaker 6: everything else, will never go to jail. But to your point,

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Speaker 6: he could get away with saying that he can satisfy

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Speaker 6: this bloodlust on the Latin Democratic Party to see Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump behind bars. You know, his daughter gets a big

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Speaker 6: win then breaks in moons millions of dollars, so it's

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Speaker 6: kind of a win win for him either way.

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Speaker 2: Julie, I appreciate all the I appreciate all your work.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any big labor day plans? Are you

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Speaker 2: doing anything fun?

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Speaker 6: My daughter is in town with her friend, so my

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Speaker 6: husband and I were going to be hanging out with them,

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Speaker 6: go downtown Chicago for a few days, and then back

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Speaker 6: to work Tuesday. I will be in Washington for the

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Speaker 6: hearing next Thursday on this case, but also more JA

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Speaker 6: six hearing is really important. Ones about fifteen twelve e

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Speaker 6: two on Wednesday, so I'll keep you posted about that

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 2: For sure, we appreciate all the work. Have a great

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Speaker 2: labor day with your family, and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: again soon.

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Speaker 6: You two, Kay, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a few of your calls here as we

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Speaker 2: roll into the final hour of the week. We're going

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Speaker 2: to be joined by Speaker of the House Mike Johnson

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Speaker 2: by the way, at two thirty Eastern, so a little

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Speaker 2: over a half hour from now. He wants to talk

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Speaker 2: to you guys before we head into Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all of you listening, including all of the women.

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Speaker 2: Email me thank you. You all have great senses of

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Speaker 2: humor to let me know that you are a woman

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Speaker 2: and you are voting for Trump. I am glad that

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Speaker 2: you are not Democrats, because you would not be emailing

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Speaker 2: me saying you're a woman, because Democrats can't tell you

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Speaker 2: what a woman actually is, so at least you acknowledge

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Speaker 2: biological reality. Anyway, all of you very funny who are

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Speaker 2: female emailing me letting me know that you are a

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Speaker 2: woman and voting for Trump. Montgomery down in Louisiana, former

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Speaker 2: Army sergeant, what do you think about Tim Walls claiming

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Speaker 2: that he took weapons into combat last night and saying

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Speaker 5: Well, one of the things that I haven't heard brought

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Speaker 5: up is when I was in I was active duty Army,

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Speaker 5: and maybe it's different in the national Guards. But I

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Speaker 5: served with other soldiers that were told, after they had

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Speaker 5: completed their honorable service and have come to the end

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Speaker 5: of their contract that because of their occupational specialty and

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Speaker 5: the needs of the military, they can't get out. So

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Speaker 5: these people had had plans in place, they had an

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Speaker 5: exit strategy from when they leave the military and start

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Speaker 5: in civilian life. Told that, well, we're gonna need you

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Speaker 5: to stay in at least until the end of this

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Speaker 5: next deployment and then we'll let you know if we

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Speaker 5: can let you go or not. So you have these

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Speaker 5: guys that have served their four years, their six years,

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Speaker 5: their honorable service that they signed a contract for being extended.

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Speaker 5: And now you have someone like Tim Waltz who not

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Speaker 5: only did not got out of his contract magically early

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Speaker 5: and the corruption behind the scenes. How does that even happen?

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Speaker 5: When you have soldiers being told, oh, you thought you

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Speaker 5: were going home, but instead you're going on deployment to Iraq,

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Speaker 5: Afghanistan or wherever, and Tim Waltz is able to just go, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to go, so I'm out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call and thank you for the service.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic question. I don't have the knowledge to be able

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Speaker 2: to answer his question intelligently. I bet a ton of

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Speaker 2: you do on social media at Klay Travis. For those

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Speaker 2: of you who know the answer to that question, I'll

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Speaker 2: try and read some of your responses. It is an

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Speaker 2: interesting question. I don't know the particulars of his service

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Speaker 2: arrangement as it pertains to the National Guard. I do

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Speaker 2: feel quite confident that Tim Walls is both a moron

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Speaker 2: and a liar, which is a bad combination, a bad

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Speaker 2: combination for someone who would be a heartbeat away from

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Speaker 2: the presidency if he were to be the vice president

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Speaker 2: elected alongside of Kamala Harris. We'll talk more about the

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Speaker 2: CNN interview. I also want to play a couple of

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Speaker 2: more clips from that for you. But in particular, Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris has been incredibly outspoken about her belief that the

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Speaker 2: government needs to be able to censor your opinions, and

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Speaker 2: to me, that is the most profoundly important issue of

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Speaker 2: all of them. As we get ready to vote very

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Speaker 2: very soon here final hour of the week headed to

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Speaker 2: the Labor Day weekend next Thanks for hanging with us

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