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Speaker 1: What happened to Emily Wade? A mother of a beautiful

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Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime Online dot Com, investigative reporter, Ashley Wilcott,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists, renowned forensics expert, author of

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Speaker 1: joining me right now. The commander of the Cajun Coach

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Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Tony Wade. Commander Way, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us, Tony, A very very disturbing

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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever lying there on their back just trying to

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Speaker 1: breaking crime injustice news, John Limley, where's the autopsy? Fancy

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Speaker 1: sonar and I assumed Tony Wade at sidescan sonar. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, huh, all right. Sidescan sonar goes down

428
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: the sides of the body of water and it hits

429
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: on images. It can even pick up a human body,

430
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: much less a car. Now, when they get the car,

431
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, and they are going to get it, it's

432
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: gonna be her car. No other car has been reported missing.

433
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: They're gonna pull that car up. And I want to

434
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: find out how did she end up getting out of

435
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: that car? Because Wade and I have talked a long

436
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: time about this. Her car only had electric windows, and

437
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: when you go into the water, that immediately shorts out

438
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: the electrical circuit in a car. You can't lower the window.

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00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: So what did she And once that you're in the water,

440
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: pressure on the outside is so strong you can't kick out.

441
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: That's where you're supposed to carry a hammer in your

442
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: car under your seat to get out if you go underwater.

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00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: What are we looking for in the car, Joe Scott Morgan, Well,

444
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: we're glass in the cars have been knocked in the

445
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: car have been knocked out, the side windows, the wind

446
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: she yield, the rear window, just to try to frame

447
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: it as if there was a possibility that the body

448
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: could have floated out of the vehicle, so we have

449
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: to eliminate that. I want to know if the doors

450
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: are open on the vehicle, maybe that was a possibility.

451
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that would be externally. I'm very curious

452
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: to know what kind of external damage is there to

453
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: this vehicle. Is there rollover damage, like, for instance, is

454
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: the actual roof of the car crushed in, the hood

455
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: of the car crushed in? Is there impact impact damage

456
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: to the very forward portion of the vehicle or has

457
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: it been bumped off the road? Have the sidewall has

458
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: been crushed in? So the car is going to tell

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00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: a lot in this particular case, Nancy, Guys, we are

460
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: searching for the truth and the death of this young

461
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: mom of one who worked at Chili's, lived with her mom,

462
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: Emily Wade. It is originally from Kentucky. The car she

463
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: was driving was her mom's twenty twelve silver Nissan Altima

464
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: with Kentucky license plates four one one pa Z. Jared

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00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Jones and Emily Wade share custody of their seven year

466
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: old daughter. As of this morning, they hadn't told her

467
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: yet that her mom is missing. It's going to Yes,

468
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: we don't know what to say to her, but we're

469
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to tell her something. She's very intuitive and

470
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: she knows something's wrong. Her family says Emily Wade's bank

471
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: account hasn't been touched. That her cell phone, one she

472
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: only uses for text messaging, hasn't been used either. They

473
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: are baffled, and so are police, and both are asking

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: for the public's help to bring Emily home. No, she's

475
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: never done anything like this before. That's what scares me.

476
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: She would not do this, her mother. I know she

477
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it to me. She knows that worry. She

478
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: would not do this to me. She would not do

479
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: this to her daughter. No, nothing like that. You can

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00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: hear the heartbreak and Shirley Wade's voice as she describes

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00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: her daughter, Emily and her granddaughter. You are hearing from

482
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: our friends at ktr KTV speaking with her mom, Shirley,

483
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: and Mommy was right. She would never have done that.

484
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: Her body has been found along a creek bed. Now

485
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: we understand Commander Tony Wade with the Cajun Co Search

486
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: and Rescue is telling us Sizekin Sonar is picked up

487
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: on an image that they believe is a car in

488
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: the adjacent lake. How that car was separated from her

489
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: body by a damn we don't know. And I'm looking

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: at video of the creek right now. It just doesn't

491
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: seem big enough for her to have drowned in, you know,

492
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her car, and I'm thinking about SiZ

493
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: skin sonar for those of you that are not divers

494
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: or haven't recovered bodies, and I hope that's everybody listening

495
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: out of water. Side scan sonar is a category of

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00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: sonar systems and it is used because it can create

497
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: a very very accurate image, even in large bodies of water,

498
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: like out in the ocean. You can also use multi

499
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: beam echo sounders, you can use acoustic dopplers. You can

500
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: use hydrophones to listen, but and you get way as

501
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: sound waves that are different around the object than the

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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: free flowing water. To Tony Way, Cajun Co Search and

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00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Rescue Commander, what did the object look like on the

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00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: side scan sonar, Well, I haven't. I haven't personally seen

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00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: it yet, but speaking with the divers, they're they're convinced

506
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: is a car. You know, I'm mean it's just easily

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00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: distinguishable between a car and in the bottom or trash

508
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: or anything else. So they they did have a sonar

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00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: hit on. It's my understanding from looking at sideskin sonar images,

510
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: you cannot really distinguish the different types of car. Would

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00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: you agree with that, Tony? Yes, I do? I do. Yeah,

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00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: that's what they said to hear without the physically go

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00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: down and and visually see it says you what kind

514
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: of car. It is just not going to go to tail.

515
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna make modeling that kind of stuff from sideskans too.

516
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan Frinzi's expert. So many things to look

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00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: for in the car. But back to the autopsy, if

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00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: it's truly a drowning, what would you find in the

519
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: end the lungs, well, what what? What is the smoth

520
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: striking about the lungs at autopsy with drownings, Nancy, is

521
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: that they are precipitously heavier, highly congested compared to say,

522
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: those that have not drowned. Typical lung pair of lungs

523
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: weighs roughly about two and a half pounds, and so

524
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: many times in these cases you're gonna find when you

525
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: weigh the lungs, they're gonna weigh five pounds, and that

526
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: is because they are effused with water. Some of the

527
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: other things very quickly that we have to consider. If

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00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: they're talking about her passing through a dam or through

529
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: a spill way. One of the things that you have

530
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: to differentiate if she had any kind of anti mordem trauma,

531
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: which means before death. You have to delineate that from

532
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: what's called post mortem trauma, which is her body would

533
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: be banged around and there wouldn't be any hemorrhage associated

534
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: with that. But if we have anti mordem trauma, say

535
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you had mentioned like a literature strangulation or a manual strangulation,

536
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: we would have hemorrhage related to that. So the doctors

537
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: have to be very very careful at autopsy to be

538
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: able to examine these and kind of separate the weak

539
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: from the chaff, if you will, relative to this, and

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00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: there's a whole other aspect we haven't even looked at

541
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to Ashe Wilcott, Juvenall judge and lawyer at Ashley Wilcott

542
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: dot com. The husband, you know, the husband, the X

543
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: is always the first target of an investigation when a

544
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: woman dies. Or goes missing Ashley. Well, they should be

545
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: the first person to target because they ostensibly ay know

546
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: more about that person than anybody else because they've been

547
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: together with them at some point. But b because too

548
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: frequently statistically, when someone does die and is killed, the

549
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: reality is it's by someone they know. So there are

550
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: two things that are going to solve this case in

551
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: my opinion. The first is somebody knows something. Anybody who

552
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: thinks they know something that may not be important needs

553
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: to come forward. The second is forensics, and I'm hopeful

554
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: law enforcement is considering everybody that she knows at this

555
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: moment until we can determine, based on forensics exactly what

556
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: happened to her and rule out any suspicion. It's way

557
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: too suspicious for me, you know what, As I was

558
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: saying earlier, and mommy always knows best. Take a listen

559
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: to Emily's mother. Surely Emily and her ex boyfriend Jared

560
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Jones share custody of a seven year old daughter. Both

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00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Emily's mother and Jared questioned by police in situations like this,

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00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Detectives always look first at the family. Yes they do,

563
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: And I can understand that anything going on that is

564
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: not obvious here with me or with Jared. I would

565
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: be really surprised if Jared anything that he loved Emily.

566
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: He loves Emily. They just didn't mess together, you know,

567
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: but they loved their daughter equally, and he wouldn't. I

568
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: don't think Jared would ever hurt the mother of his child.

569
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: That is carry Sanders a NBC and you speaking to

570
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Emily's mother And yes, I know a lot of times

571
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: family doesn't know everything going on, but I've heard him

572
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: speaking as well Jared. And isn't it true John Limiley

573
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: parton a searcheon, has been cooperating. That's true in his

574
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: police say they have for the moment cleared Jones, Wade's

575
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: mother and her co worker at Chili's as persons of interest.

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00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I want to go to dactor, Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists.

577
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: They have all but cleared the husband. What do you

578
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: make of it? Oh, I mean, I don't think they're

579
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: going to completely rule him out. But remember, you know,

580
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: there's another possibility, maybe someone she came into contact with

581
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: that Chili's. You know, look at those video footage of

582
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: when she was working on her ship. Look at the

583
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: credit card receipts to the people that came in or

584
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: do the same names keep coming up over and over again.

585
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: So I agree with Ashley, you know, the most likely

586
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: person is the people that you know. But there's also

587
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: this job that she had where she was exposed to

588
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the public, So I think that that angle needs to

589
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: be looked at as well. To John Linley, Crime online

590
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, so much hangs in the balance

591
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: and will know so much more on Saturday. This is

592
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: starting early early in the morning. What else do we

593
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: know is happening. One thing that has helped a little

594
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: bit with the search is that these floodwaters that were

595
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: really high the night of Emily's disappearance have subsided a

596
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: little bit, not a lot, but a little bit, which

597
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: is helping searcher. Is a good bit. It's very interesting

598
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: if you go on Google Maps and click on images

599
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: and actually look at just the bridge that she supposedly

600
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: crossed that night, it is just a hunk of concrete,

601
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: no railings on the side whatsoever. Of course, with the

602
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: water really high, it's possible that her tires didn't even

603
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: reach the bottom John of that bridge. John, look at

604
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: the horizon in that picture. There's a dam the bridge.

605
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: I understand going over the creek is on the side

606
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: of the dam her body was found, which makes a

607
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: big difference. That means the car would have been near

608
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: her body, not so far away on the other side

609
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: of a damn. The tipline guys nine seven two eight

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Speaker 1: seventy five four four six two in his Texas Police

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Speaker 1: department nine seven two eight seven five four four six two.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,