1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: There's this woman who gives advice to men on the internet. 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say her name, but her shtick 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: is to criticize marriage or relationships as being specifically bad 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: for men, and anytime she gets any pushback, she basically 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: collapses because her ideas are just so weak and terrible. 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: They really are. 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: But she's got a following largely because she plays into 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: the fears that men have of women, of parenting another 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: man's baby without knowing it, of his wife cheating on him, 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: of her leaving him and taking everything. I get the 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: fears I do, and believe me, women have plenty of 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: fears about men, to rational and irrational. But the thing 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: is this woman who gives this advice on the internet 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: single I feel like maybe has never had a relationship. 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: She has no idea what goes on in relationships because 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: she's inexperienced in them. She caters to this male audience 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: saying what they want to hear, but she's just making 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: it up. Her understanding of human nature and what goes 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: on in real relationship reads very shallow. She recently tweeted 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: something like When a man says I have to ask 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: my wife, that's like someone saying I have to ask 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: my child. I don't know if this attack is trying 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: to infantilize women or saying that the opinion of a 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: fully grown female partner is worth the same as a kid. 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: But here's a truth that so many people know, people 27 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: who have been in relationships. No, when a man says 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: he has to check with his wife, he very often 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: just doesn't want to do the thing that you're suggesting. 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: The advice giving woman has no idea about this subtext, 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: no idea that there's more going on than a man 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: being browbeaten by a woman. She's an empty vessel, willing 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: to say whatever will take to be famous. 34 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: My bigger point here is that we talk about life 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: advice a lot on this show. Don't take advice from 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: people who aren't doing the thing that you want to 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: be doing. Don't take relationship advice from the single pick 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: me lady on the internet. Talk to people having relationships 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: like the kind you wish to have. Listen to people 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: doing well what you want to be doing. This goes 41 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: beyond relationships. I don't work out, so don't come to 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: me for Jim Advice, Pick people to learn from who 43 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: are succeeding in what you want to do? Coming up next, 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: and interview with Dave Marcus. Join us after the break. 45 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 46 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: guest today is Dave Marcus, columnist for Fox News and 47 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: Hi, Dave, Hey, Caara, howre you doing? 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Why are you small? What is up with that smoke? 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Is it like, does it have to be during interviews? 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: Is it part of the look? 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: I mean, have we ever spent time around each other? 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Is there ever a point in time when you've known 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: me to go longer than twenty or twenty five minutes 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: without having a cigarette. I mean, it's just what I do, 56 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: all right, It's. 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Fair, you're I mean for the people listening. He's dressed 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: up in a suit, which I said, I hope he 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: didn't dress up for me, and he's got, you know, 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the cigarette. He has the full look going on, trying. 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: To bring some stuff back. 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: You know. 63 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: I feel like we're as a you know, as a society, 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: we've turned our back on certain aspects of civilization. I 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: feel like smoking is among them. In fact, I'll go 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: so far as to say that, I think the smoking 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: hysteria of the early twenty first century was a canary 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: in the COVID coal mine. 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: Really, it's interesting, why do you think that? 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: Because I think that there was such there was such 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: an overwhelming reaction, like against tobacco, against smoking, that it 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: was like, we're going to do whatever we have to 73 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: do right now to take care of this. And even 74 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: at the point at which the returns, which like you, 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: weren't getting fewer and fewer smokers, they just kept up 76 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 3: with the taxes. They kept up with you can't smoke 77 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: in a bar, you can't smoke within one hundred feet 78 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: of a bar. They just kept going. 79 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: He hasn't smoking decreased by a lot? I mean, you know, 80 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: I generally don't like government, you know, interaction and lots 81 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: of things. But they actually did succeed in getting fewer 82 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: smokers by a lot. They did. 83 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: By by the early twenty first century, the numbers had declined, 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: but they've been pretty steady for about ten or fifteen years. 85 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: There's actually there's some evidence of an uptick among younger people. 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: But look, I mean, I just it's about it's about 87 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: a balance, it's about legitimate competing interests, and so I 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: think that in so many ways, our society just overreacts 89 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: to things and we say like we're just not going 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: to allow it at all, and it gets away from 91 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: us a little bit. 92 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, I would say, if they weren't successful, if lots 93 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: of people were still smoking, you'd be like, I'm not smoking. 94 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: That's gross, I'm not doing that. 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: I think that's true. 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: You might be a contrarian. 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm a contrarian, but smoking has been one of 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: my Smoking has been a constant at least since I 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: was you know, fifteen or sixteen or whatever. 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: So all right, well, if you ever want to quit, 101 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: you know we'll be here for you and thank you. 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: We'll support you. Even without the cigarette dangling from your mouth. 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 1: It's better than vaping. Oh well, yeah, I mean, but again, 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: that's that's a very low bar. So look, I've enjoyed 105 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: the occasional cigarette with you. I'm not saying that that's 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: not possible, but most people do. 107 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: No, no, no. When I when I go, when I 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: go out socially, I always bring at least one extra 109 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: pack of cigarettes because there are a lot of people 110 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: in the world who are non smokers. Except for with 111 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: Dave Mars, right, except for like three drinks in and 112 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: it's like, oh no, I'm like one cigarette. So smokers 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: prepare for that, well. 114 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I normally if I'm in a smoking phase, which I 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: actually haven't been in many years now. But I'm a 116 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: menthol smoker. I grew up in Brooklyn. Now I like 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: to say I grew up in Brooklyn around Puerto Ricans 118 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: like I smoke Menthol. But you know the funny thing 119 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: about Menthol is I've had like homeless people ask me 120 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: can I bum a cigarette? And I'll be like, it's 121 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: mental and they're like, oh, no, thank you. 122 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that used to happen to me when I roll 123 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: my own cigarettes and they'd be like, right. 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: Keep your hippie rolled cigarette, that's fine. So you and 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I have known each other a while. We were both 126 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: living in New York for a long time. We spent 127 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: a lot of time together and we're very close. And 128 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: I would say that we had a kind of falling 129 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: out because we never had an argument or anything, but 130 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: we had a bit of a drift. I was kind 131 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: of mad at you actually now that I am thinking 132 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: about it, and we reconnected recently in Israel, where Jews 133 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: and Christians you know, do that kind of thing. So 134 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: what happened with us? What was the what was the split? 135 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: You know? It was It was jarring for me when 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: you left New York because I think that both of 137 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: us had been on this sort of like I remember 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: a wonderful column that you wrote years ago. I can't 139 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: remember if it was around the time that COVID started 140 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: or just before, but you were basically like, you know, 141 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: I get to insult New York, you don't, right, I think. 142 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: It was I think that was just a tweet, but yes, 143 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed that. 144 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: And I was like, yes, Carol has this right, right, 145 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: My neighbors in New York, they can complain about New York. 146 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: We do it a lot. Right. 147 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: The reason that if a New Yorker says they're traveling 148 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: someplace that the first question is where you're flying out 149 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: of is so that we can complain about the airport. 150 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: And that's just sort of universal. And so yeah, I 151 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: think when you left it was jarring for me because 152 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: I was very optimistic. I mean, in general, I'm very 153 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: up a mystic, and I didn't think New York would 154 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: get that way. It got really bad, it got really dark. 155 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: It was not an easy place to be, so maybe 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: to some extent I felt abandoned by it. But then 157 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: I also kind when I eventually left. 158 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Right, I was going to get to that, because you 159 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: eventually left. 160 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: I guess I left about a year later, and I 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: think where I drew a distinction, and maybe this was wrong. 162 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this morning because I thought it 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: might come up. But I think I felt I had 164 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: felt to some extent that you had thrown New York 165 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: under the bus a little bit on the way out 166 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: in a way that I kind of wasn't willing to do. 167 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: And I wonder if maybe it has something to do 168 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: with the fact that, like, I lived in New York 169 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 3: for twenty years, but I had the zeal of a convert, right, 170 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: I mean. 171 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I always used to say that about you. You you. 172 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you ever totally considered me a 173 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: New Yorker, And maybe I wasn't because no, you were you. 174 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I considered you a New Yorker. I mean, I think 175 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: jokes about not considering you a New Yorker, but I 176 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: did it. Are you in New York? 177 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 3: You know, on some level, people from Philly never really 178 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: become New Yorkers because it's like too close and there's 179 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: too much yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's 180 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: just Philly's almost in a weird way, like a sixth Borough, 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: which people in Philly hate when you say that. 182 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: But there's also partly like part of New Jersey, so 183 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: it we have ensure. 184 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: That in common. And so I think almost in the 185 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: way in which a family member might be in a 186 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: better position to speak cold honesty to another family member. 187 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: I don't think I felt the level of ownership over 188 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: the city that you did, maybe to be that frank. 189 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: You know, I remember like one of the last nights 190 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: that I lived in New York, I was at one 191 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: of these one of those bars in the thirties, and 192 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: like Epstein and Adina were there, and you know, I 193 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: think like kJ and Alicia and stuff, and I just 194 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: remember walking out to have a cigarette. 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: This is our New York crew, Yeah. 196 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: And I just kind of looked around for a minute 197 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: and it was like, just doesn't belong to you anymore. 198 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: And I hadn't felt that in decades. You know, it 199 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: was pretty profound moment. 200 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: So you're happy with your move, are you doing well? 201 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: I think so? 202 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 203 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean it's you know, it was mostly for my 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: kid and he's he's thriving, So that's that's clearly the 205 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: most important thing, right, I do think professionally it's been 206 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: useful in two ways. One is which you know, obviously, 207 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: I'm interacting with a whole different type of American voter 208 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: in West Virginia, even though I'm not like I'm in 209 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: the Eastern Panhandle, so I'm not deep in West Virginia, 210 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: not quite a DC suburb, but a little closer to that. 211 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: But the other thing is just sort of like the 212 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: quiet and stuff. Like as a writer, I knew that 213 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: most of my favorite writers, especially twentieth century ones, at 214 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: a certain point kind of like got out of the 215 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: city and we're like, I'm going to go sit in 216 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: the woods and write. It never made sense to me. 217 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: It's like why like close your window, right, Like why? 218 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: Like what's the difference? 219 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 220 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: And it is different because when you're writing in New York, 221 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: you do feel the energy of those nine million people 222 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: inside your body in a way that you don't when 223 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: you're you know, sitting in the woods and listening to 224 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: the birds. 225 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Are you happy in general? Like you do you feel 226 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: like it was the right move? 227 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: I think so I mean, I don't know, like happy 228 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 3: is hard to he. 229 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Tries to be happy. I don't know, I don't. 230 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: Know, No, I am, I'm yeah, no, it is good, 231 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: and again it is I really do like seeing my 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: son interacting with a new sort of environment. And I 233 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: think I guess he was about to turn thirteen when 234 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: we moved, so one of the things that his mom 235 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: and I really wanted him to have was that was 236 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: some feeling of ownership over New York. And I think 237 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: that he did have that. I mean, he knows he's 238 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: from Brooklyn, he knows he's you know, that's part of 239 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: his legacy. 240 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've made it? I do? 241 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: You know? I was thinking about that that question, and 242 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sure all your guests struggled with 243 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: like how do you answer it? And I realized that, 244 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: you know, I did theater for fifteen almost twenty years, 245 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: and when you're in theater, there's one very easy answer 246 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: to that question, and everyone has the same answer, and 247 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: it is are you making your living doing theater? And 248 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: if the answer is yes, then you've made it. If 249 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: the answer is no, then you have made it. 250 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: Yet it's great. 251 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean basically that's it. It really doesn't 252 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: have to do with like have I been the Broadway? 253 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: Have I been? It is this how I earned my living, 254 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: and there were periods of time when I did, but 255 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: I usually I had side hustles. I work as a mover. 256 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: I do you know what artists do? So as a 257 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: writer now, and I guess I think I ran my 258 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: first come roughly ten years ago. Yeah, like I make 259 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: you know, I'm able to, you know, pay the bills 260 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: writing so and I have some wonderful readers who were, 261 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: you know, great to interact with, and so it's hard 262 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: to ask for much more than that. 263 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: If you weren't doing this, would you go back to 264 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: theater or was there some other plan, be different path option? 265 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. 266 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: Theater is hard right now because there's not a lot 267 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 3: of appetite for it. COVID really devastated it. I mean 268 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: it was already on a pretty bad trajectory, and I 269 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: think we all see what it is now, which is 270 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: a lot of politics. I guess, I don't know. Did 271 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: you see the clip of like the Broadway musical that 272 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: Hill Clinton is producing about the Suffragettes And it's just 273 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: it is insufferable. I mean, it's just every horrible thing 274 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: that you can imagine. So I miss it. I mean 275 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: we had a lot of fun, but it's a different world, 276 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: like you can't. When I started doing theater, it was 277 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: a reverend and profane and you know, now it's all 278 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: about sort of virgie signaling. And so I don't know 279 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: that there's much place for me in theater. 280 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: No, I think that's the perfect time for you. Like 281 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: I think that you could challenge that. Now. I'm not 282 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: saying you should go back into theater. I'm just asking 283 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: or I like to ask guests what would they be 284 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: doing if it wasn't this or whatever it is? And 285 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, I get all kinds of answers, and my 286 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: jokey answer is always I'd be a DJ, Like I 287 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: think I'd be really good at getting party started. But 288 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: you have a different thing that you used to do. 289 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: So that's what I That's what's interesting to me is 290 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: that you have this other career path that not taken. 291 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: And so if you weren't writer, would you be an actor? 292 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: Would you be a playwright? And now that you've said that, 293 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: you don't think that there's a place for you. Now, 294 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, there'd better be a place for you, Like, 295 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: how could there not be a place for you? 296 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: But that requires a lot of that, that requires a 297 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 3: lot of infrastructure. And there was an interesting moment when 298 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: I was sort of like towards the end of my 299 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: tenure at the Federalist and I was having a very 300 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: frank conversation with my then boss and still very good friend, 301 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: Ben Dominic, And you know, Ben looked at me and 302 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: he was like, Dave, you're a very good writer, you're 303 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: not a great team player. And it kind of hurt, right. 304 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: I was kind of like, WHOA, that's harsh, right, especially 305 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: because in theater, I think I had the reputation of 306 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: being a good team player because I had been an actor, 307 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: a director, a playwright, a stage manager. Right, if you 308 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: can lighting, if you could do it, I did it. 309 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: And so I understood everybody's job and respected it, no 310 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: matter which one I had. But I realized there's there's 311 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: one big difference between theater and being a columnist, which 312 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: is that in theater, everyone's name is on the poster 313 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: right when you walk up to that theater. The playwright's name, 314 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: the actors name, the director's name, stage manager, and everything 315 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: rises and falls together like everyone has skin in that game. 316 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: And when you're a columnist, that's not true. If your 317 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: editor makes a mistake and something goes out under your byline, 318 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: that's you. Yeah, right, It's the same thing as being 319 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: a TV anchor. If you say it, it doesn't matter 320 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: who fouled up, it's on you. So that is a 321 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: little different, like as a columnist or as a writer, 322 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: like I wouldn't say it's about having to protect yourself, 323 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: but you're the brand, right, that's just that's not true. 324 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: When you're an actor in a theater production, you're one 325 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: piece of it. 326 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what being a good team player 327 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: as a columnist means, Like as you said it, I 328 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: was like, am I a good team player? I don't 329 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: really have a team, like who's my team? 330 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: But I guess I think it was more sort of 331 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: like personal interactions and like you know, don't get wasted 332 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: and show up on Newsmax smoking a cigarette and then 333 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: like brit to the. 334 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: Interns, smoking cigarettes was part of the appeal. Not back 335 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: then you really have made the culture? Yes, yes, so 336 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: you write, you do write a lot about culture. You 337 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: write about about politics, but what would you say is 338 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: our largest cultural problem, and this follow up to that, 339 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: is it solvable? 340 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I think our largest cultural problem is really 341 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: fragmentation on almost every level, and I'm not sure how 342 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: solvable it is. I mean, even when you talk about 343 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: TV shows, the way that we consume TV shows is 344 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: so fragmented now because we don't even have the same channels, 345 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: let alone watch the same shows. Right, We're all on 346 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: different services and do you watch this or do you 347 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: watch that? So even something huge like years ago, like 348 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones really seem to like penetrate. But if 349 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: you brought up Game of Thrones, like half to people 350 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: you're talking to had no idea what you were talking about, right, 351 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the analogy didn't make sense. That wasn't true 352 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: of Seinfeld, that wasn't true of things even going back 353 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: to the nineties, And so that's certainly true of the 354 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: news media as well. I think that people on different 355 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 3: sides of the political spectrum are looking at news stories 356 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: and they're not even the same story. I mean, so 357 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: I don't know how you fix that. I think ultimately, 358 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 3: trust has broken down in our institutions, and I think 359 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: the only way to regain trust is through consequences. And 360 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: I think maybe we're starting to see that, right, Like, 361 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: I like, you see the stuff that RUFO and other 362 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: people are doing sort of like, all right, well let's 363 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: see how many plagiarists there are. And look, I think 364 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: that's important. 365 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to watch, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting 366 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: the fragmentation thing. And you know, you're obviously you're right. 367 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: We used to watch like The Sopranos together or you know, 368 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones is a really good example for that. 369 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: But like think about before, you know, before television, somebody 370 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: in a town on the East coast is not doing 371 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: the same things as someone in a town on the 372 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: West coast. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe it's not 373 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: so bad to be fragmented and to kind of do 374 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: things in your own spaces. I just think that those 375 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: spaces exist online and not physically anymore. And that's maybe 376 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: the problem that you're watching something completely different than your 377 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: neighbor next door, who has no idea what you're watching 378 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: and has no idea what you're into, because even though 379 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: you live in close proximity, you're you know, completely fragmented 380 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: and separated. The online thing. Really could we could trace 381 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: all our problems back to the internet, right, now. 382 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: But look, I think that's I think that's a fascinating point. 383 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: I mean to the idea of these regional differences, right, 384 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm old enough to remember when members 385 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: of our two major political parties were very different based 386 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: on region, right, Right, we had Northeast Republicans, we had 387 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: Southern Democrats, we had right and that was sort of 388 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: like regional. I think that to some extent, you've put 389 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: your thumb on something important here, which is that those 390 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: affinity groups are no longer regional. Those affinity groups you 391 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: can access from anywhere. Right. So if I'm a sort 392 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: of like New Right mega person, I don't need to 393 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: live anywhere near other New Right maga people, I can 394 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: get them all online. If I'm a never Trump bulwark person, right, 395 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: I can do the same thing. And so it's not 396 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: dependent on anything other than your ability to access this 397 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: online community. 398 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: And that may. 399 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: Actually sort of calcify some of the positions, right and 400 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: also lead to the idea that, like you're not hearing 401 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: the other side very much. 402 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 403 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Like in the last 404 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: four years of this Great Florida migration. All the people 405 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: that I've met who have moved to Florida in that 406 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: COVID time are all here for very similar reasons. It 407 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we watch the same shows or listen 408 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to the same music, but we all have a very 409 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: and it doesn't even mean that we're all I mean, 410 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: most people are voting Republican, but they're not necessarily conservatives. 411 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: They're like here for the freedom. It really is like 412 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: a thing that's happening here that is regional, and it's 413 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: very time based. Like again, if you moved to Florida 414 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: five years ago, you're not the same as the people 415 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: who moved here during COVID. You might have moved for taxes, 416 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: if you might have moved for weather, you might even 417 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: have that same outlook that the COVID kind of refugees have. 418 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: But the ones who moved here during this time period 419 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: are really all here for the same kind of outlook 420 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: and for the same kind of reasons. It's interesting. 421 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, something very fascinating happened with Florida over the 422 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: past like five or six years. I actually think in 423 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: some way it might have weirdly worked against Ronda Santis 424 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: to the extent that people in Florida were so overwhelmingly 425 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: happy with him that I feel like a lot of 426 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: them were sort of looking at the rest of the 427 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: country being like, guys, like, how do you not get this? 428 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 3: Like look at how great this was, and you know, 429 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: my ex bad experience is in West Virginia, not in Florida, 430 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: you know, and in places like West Virginia, they weren't 431 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: looking at Florida as being exceptional in the same way 432 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: that people in California and New York were. They were like, well, 433 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 3: that's yes, right, right. 434 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: I've never lived anywhere where things function. I don't know 435 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: if that's true for you, coming Philly Brooklyn. I mean, look, 436 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, things were good in New York. I loved 437 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: New York. I loved living in Brooklyn my whole, you know, 438 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: most of my life. But would you say things function 439 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: while there if there's a couple like it doesn't actually 440 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: ever get filled, like you know, unless it's like it 441 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: just takes everything takes a really long time. Here, it's 442 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: everything functions super well and everybody's sort of on the 443 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: same page of getting things done. Its dazzling. Actually I 444 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: lived anywhere like that. 445 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I had one stunning moment like that because 446 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: there's a very important bridge near where I live where 447 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: basically like, if you're trying to get to d C, 448 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: this is the only bridge, right, Otherwise you have to 449 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: drive like forty five minutes around a mountain or the 450 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: other mountain, right, vital bridge. Yeah, And it was going 451 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: to be out for three months, and it was bad. 452 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean there were like legitimately events in DC. Well, 453 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: I mean I used to do this city New York too, 454 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: but I had more excuse to be anti social because 455 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not driving the extra sure forty minutes. 456 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: And I remember I was like listening to I listened 457 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 3: to AM radio, so I was like listen to like 458 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: the local radio in the car and I heard a 459 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: report and they were like, the bridge is going to 460 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: be done ten days ahead of schedule. Like what. When 461 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: I got home, I texted Joe BURRELLI, our friend Joe 462 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 3: Borelli was like a Staten Island city council for years. 463 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 464 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: Right, And I said to Joe, I was like, Joe, 465 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: I just heard a city official or state official use 466 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: this term the bridge is going to be done ahead 467 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: of schedule. 468 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what this means? 469 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: And have you never heard these words? He's like, no, Dave, 470 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: I have no idea that would even need and yeah 471 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 3: and no. 472 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: While what they. 473 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: Did was they offered a bonus for like every day 474 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: that the company got it done early. 475 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing and it's sad because New York doesn't 476 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: have to be like that, and I think it goes 477 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: to times where it functions better than other times. I 478 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: just think it happens to be in a in a 479 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: not great time right now where they solve problems by 480 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: not solving the problems. I think, like, you know, bringing 481 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: National Guard into the subway is like I think you 482 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: skipped some steps in here. But yeah, it's it's great 483 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: living somewhere where things work and function and things could 484 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: happen ahead of schedule. It's it's it's wild, really. 485 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: Weird having to pay for my own trash removal. That 486 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 3: that that I just found odd. I mean it's not bad, 487 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: like it's not like that much money or anything, but 488 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: like like I have to remember to pay it and 489 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: it's like a little local company, so like it's not 490 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: terribly easy to just whatever. Like that was the one 491 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: thing where it's like, what do you mean right? Someone 492 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: doesn't take my rash away. 493 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: That's a city thing, right. So my sister in law 494 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: stayed with us for a few weeks and I was like, 495 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: one night I said to my husband, like, oh, you know, 496 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: don't forget the garbage goes out tomorrow. And she's like, 497 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it go out every day? And I was like no, 498 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: and she's like, they don't pick up the garbage every day. 499 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: And then she was confident that like her parents on 500 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: Long Island have it picked up every day. She calls 501 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: her mom, she's like, your garbage gets picked up every day, right. 502 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: My mom was like no, obviously, like it's twice a 503 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: week like everywhere else. But she lives in an apartment 504 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: building in Brooklyn. She could, you know, throw her banana 505 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: peel down the chute and that's it and her garbage 506 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: is gone. So it just it is a learning curve. 507 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: I remember the shoots. I had like one. I think 508 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: I had two apartments with the shoots. 509 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I liked the shoots. Yeah they're amazing. Yeah, it's not 510 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: your problem is the shoot represents it being somebody else's 511 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: problem to handle the garbage. 512 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: And I lived in a pre war I lived in 513 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: a pre war in Yonkers in the early nineties. I 514 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: don't know, like six seventh floor building. There's one of 515 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: those big like right around Bronxville and the basement. I 516 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: don't know if you ever saw it, but it had 517 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: the old school dryer, which is basically like like a 518 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: rack of these giant like panels that you pull out, no, 519 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: and you hang your clothes on them, and then you 520 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: like push them back in and there's like heat. 521 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Uh no, they still is this like nineteen fifties, what 522 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: is this? 523 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: I think it was from like the forties, like they 524 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: were easies. 525 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but they were. 526 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: Just still there and I would look at them and 527 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: be like, this is kind of cool. 528 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: That is cool, and so you never decided to give 529 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: it a whirl. 530 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: I don't think they worked anymore because like we had 531 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: the actual laundry by then. It was just like I 532 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: guess it was too much money to like pull that 533 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: out or there was no reason to. They're probably gone now. 534 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 3: It's probably probably bike racks now. 535 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: Probably. Well, it's been great talking to you, Dave, despite 536 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: your cigarette smoking, and here with your best tip for 537 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Yeah, 538 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: you know. 539 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: My my tip is to read poetry. I don't know 540 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: how many people still do that. 541 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm a poet. Who should we read? Oh? 542 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: I mean there's you know, pick your poison. I mean 543 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: some people will like Yates. You know, some people will 544 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: like Robert Frost. You can go back and read, you know, 545 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: the Sonnets of Shakespeare, Emily Dickinson. I mean, you're going 546 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: to find something that you like. But you know, it 547 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 3: occurs to me that we're so inundated with words and information, 548 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: just like throughout our entire day, with our heads buried 549 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: and our phones, and you know, most of it is 550 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: like trying to sell us something or trying to convince 551 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: us of something, or vote for me, or buy my 552 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: gold or you know whatever it is right, And poets 553 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: for thousands of years have had this urge to write 554 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: these short sort of butt're not all short, but you know, 555 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: bite sized things of like boy, something just happened, or 556 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 3: I just noticed something, and I think it's really interesting, 557 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: and I think there's really great value if you take 558 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: five five minutes to just you know, read a poem 559 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: and think about I think, you know, I happen to 560 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: be religious, but if you're not religious, I think maybe 561 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: even more so because when I pray. I mean those 562 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: are Catholic prayers or poems, right, so yeah, like, go 563 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 3: check out some poetry. I think people will. I think 564 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: it will improve your day. 565 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Beautiful language always does it for me. I like, 566 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, songs with good lyrics and yeah, read poetry. 567 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: Okay he is. Dave Marcus reread them at Fox News 568 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: and Daily Mail. Thank you so much, Dave. 569 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: Thanks, Carol, I have a good one. 570 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. 571 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.