Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Breaking Points, but this time it is being
Speaker 3: filmed in the flagrant To studio here with the entire crew.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for actually letting me use
Speaker 3: your studio if we recorded just a great episode, and
Speaker 3: it's really good to be with all of you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. So we wanted.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do this, both Crystal and I have
Speaker 3: been wanting to talk to you guys for a while.
Speaker 3: Kind of a reflection of a podcast Bro and the
Speaker 3: election Andrew you specifically, I have come under a lot
Speaker 3: of fire recently.
Speaker 2: Is the podcast Bro the guy who like.
Speaker 3: Led the way for Trump but now is apparently having
Speaker 3: some regrets, you know, no support he.
Speaker 2: Was like gonna lose, okay, but well let's put it
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it swung the election, but I also
Speaker 3: wouldn't say that it wasn't not unimportant to have Trump
Speaker 3: on all of these right, And this is just part
Speaker 3: of like kind of that segment of the audience. And
Speaker 3: so my question is that, in retrospect, do you wish
Speaker 3: that you would handle the Trump interview differently?
Speaker 4: No, so going to that a little bit. No, I
Speaker 4: regret a single thing about it. I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I don't even know where the question comes from.
Speaker 3: Well, the question comes from an idea that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of criticism from the quote independent or not
Speaker 3: non independent media and they were like, well, Trump is
Speaker 3: going on these podcasts to kind of whitewash his reputation
Speaker 3: and basically did not face like quote tough journalistic questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just depends what your expectation of journalism is.
Speaker 4: And I think that, Like, I mean, you gun speak
Speaker 4: to this a lot. But I was speaking to David
Speaker 4: Marquesy at The New York Times about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah I read your interview.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like and you know, there was some
Speaker 4: moments where he was like asking me some questions and
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, this is where things feel a
Speaker 4: little bit gotcha, because he was assuming that I talked
Speaker 4: to Bernie about one thing that I didn't talk to
Speaker 4: Trump about, and I'm like, but when did I talk
Speaker 4: to Bernie about it?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I can't exactly say it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's kind of where it feels gotcha,
Speaker 4: because you're coming in with a specific intention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: So like and I actually think that he was like
Speaker 4: really fair and that was a great interview. But like
Speaker 4: an example of like my least favorite type of journalism,
Speaker 4: just the most low hanging fruit is like the girl
Speaker 4: that interviewed Tim Dillon.
Speaker 1: It's not really an interview. It's like indictment.
Speaker 4: It's like I think this thing of you, and I
Speaker 4: seek to prove that to my audience. I'm not coming
Speaker 4: here with any curiosity, so like we don't see ourselves
Speaker 4: as like I can't speak for you guys, but like
Speaker 4: as journalists so much to say, it's just like people
Speaker 4: that are having conversations that we're curious with. Now I
Speaker 4: understand that when you get a lot of people listening, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you should, like if you're a responsible person, like think
Speaker 4: about like what what you owe I guess to the
Speaker 4: audience and have that discussion. That's fair And don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong, but like I don't subscribe to this idea
Speaker 4: that like you have to ask these hard questions that
Speaker 4: you're not curious about, or people that watch will criticize you.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't have to watch.
Speaker 4: Sure, if you're in front of me, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 4: you the things that I'm curious about. People, why don't
Speaker 4: you ask him about FFC and I'm like, oh, so
Speaker 4: he can give the same fucking answer he's given for
Speaker 4: the last two decades. It's like he's not gonna immediately
Speaker 4: sit down with me and then after three questions like
Speaker 4: you know, we use the fuck them.
Speaker 5: Kids, Like that's not how these things work, so like
Speaker 5: for me, I think one of the reasons for the
Speaker 5: rise in podcasting opposed to like normal or traditional media
Speaker 5: is that you have people asking questions that they're authentically
Speaker 5: interested in.
Speaker 4: Instead of asking questions that like they think that their
Speaker 4: boss wants them to ask, or they're worried their base
Speaker 4: wants to ask. Because now you're not even curious, and
Speaker 4: the questions you're asking, you're asking them out of fear
Speaker 4: of retribution from your audience, and now you're captured by
Speaker 4: your audience instead of your own curiosity.
Speaker 6: And I would also say, yeah, absolutely there are at
Speaker 6: that point, And the polls there were actually neck and neck,
Speaker 6: and Trump always overperforms in polls, so I don't know
Speaker 6: what impact we actually had. But there were two candidates
Speaker 6: left for president of the United States. I don't want
Speaker 6: to talk to both of them. I want to talk
Speaker 6: to both of them. And second of all, there's things
Speaker 6: we all talked about that we wanted to ask Trump.
Speaker 6: But I could do the thing that feels really good
Speaker 6: where I ask I got you a question, and I
Speaker 6: dunk on you, and then he gets up and he
Speaker 6: walks off and he says, go fuck yourself. I know
Speaker 6: I've seen enough interviews with this guy to know I
Speaker 6: have to relate to him on a human level. And
Speaker 6: then when he feels safe, maybe he'll answer the question
Speaker 6: I want to ask, are you gonna run for a
Speaker 6: third term?
Speaker 7: Are you willing to have tone down the rhetoric.
Speaker 6: I got to ask those questions, but you had to
Speaker 6: get to the point where he's willing to answer those questions.
Speaker 6: So I could have done the thing that feels good
Speaker 6: and dunked on him, but we would have gotten absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2: That's exact. No, it's important.
Speaker 4: You just have to have the things that you want
Speaker 4: to ask and ask him. And I had three things
Speaker 4: I want to ask about. I asked him about those
Speaker 4: three things, okay, and that was it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I will say, my only wish is that Kamala came on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 9: To me, it seems like a Nixon Humphreys thing, where
Speaker 9: like you know, they have the laughing moment and Nixon
Speaker 9: does it and it turns out great, and that it
Speaker 9: was a strategic blunder from their side.
Speaker 2: To not go on to these non traditional platforms Alex
Speaker 2: or anything.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the question then is.
Speaker 4: If we have Kamala on, you really can't say anything
Speaker 4: because we're going to ask kama the same questions.
Speaker 1: We're going to have the same curiosity.
Speaker 7: We're gonna laugh with her, we're gonna make her look
Speaker 7: like a human.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and the authentic curiosity is going to shine through.
Speaker 4: And if she bombs the interview, that's on her. If
Speaker 4: she does great, that's on her, just like with Trump.
Speaker 4: But we're going to ask the things that we're curious about.
Speaker 4: And I think that, like the numbers show that if
Speaker 4: you look anything from Rogan, you look anything to like
Speaker 4: Alex Cooper.
Speaker 1: It's not just this right wing thing. There's a left wing.
Speaker 4: When people are asking the questions that they're curious about,
Speaker 4: the interviews are indulged far more when they're doing puff
Speaker 4: piece things like when Alice Cooper had come on, nobody
Speaker 4: gives a fuck about it.
Speaker 1: And I think that tells you everything you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree at all. But if we flip
Speaker 3: it around, if for Trump were to come back today,
Speaker 3: which we hope you will, right, Like I hope you
Speaker 3: guys here ask me they put a statement out about
Speaker 3: you guys, would it be different tonally this time around,
Speaker 3: now that you've actually had him in office? And would
Speaker 3: you feel what, like how would you feel as somebody
Speaker 3: then who had been critical of him walking into that
Speaker 3: like Tonally, would it be different in terms of the
Speaker 3: tenor that you might take?
Speaker 2: And asking a follow.
Speaker 4: Up question here, here's the thing, Like, and we said
Speaker 4: this before, like I'm not in one of your fucking cults, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not in the right wing called the left wing
Speaker 4: called I'm a free American And I'll ask what a
Speaker 4: fucking question I don want to ask? Okay, So, like
Speaker 4: for me, when somebody's in power, that's not when you relax,
Speaker 4: especially if it's a person that you voted for. That's
Speaker 4: where you hold them to their promises. So like Trump
Speaker 4: comes back on which he is absolutely invited to come
Speaker 4: back on as the leader of the free world, I
Speaker 4: want to know what's up with the Epstein shit. Like
Speaker 4: you campaign hard, your boys camp paid hard, your girls
Speaker 4: camp paid hard.
Speaker 1: On it.
Speaker 4: I want to know why we're not seeing it, and
Speaker 4: I want to know why you like, we're so flippant
Speaker 4: about it, you know, So I want to know that.
Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on.
Speaker 4: With the foreign warst and specifically is is diplomacy harder
Speaker 4: than you thought? And what are the what are the
Speaker 4: restrictions to your power when it comes to diplomacy? You know,
Speaker 4: and like you've been president already, you must know that
Speaker 4: diplomacy is difficult. Why do you think it would be
Speaker 4: easier this time around? And what are the hiccups? So like,
Speaker 4: I want to know these things. But it's not about
Speaker 4: like a different tenor or anything like that. When you're
Speaker 4: running for president.
Speaker 1: It's hope. What will you do?
Speaker 4: You're selling me dreams, sure, right, and when you are president,
Speaker 4: it's delivery, and delivery is way harder than hope, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like, I mean, I loved Obama.
Speaker 4: I voted for I'm so excited about about Obama. I
Speaker 4: know that you're not a big fan, but to me, yes,
Speaker 4: And it's like he sold us hope so well. Some
Speaker 4: people will be like he under delivered on that hope hope.
Speaker 4: Some people would be like he over delivered. It was
Speaker 4: amazing to see what he got accomplished. You know, if
Speaker 4: you ask anybody who had pre existing conditions, I think
Speaker 4: that they're pretty fucking happy Republican or Democrat what he
Speaker 4: was able to put through.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 4: It's just like, and if you're not willing to like
Speaker 4: hold the person that you voted for to the standards
Speaker 4: that they expected, then you're not a real person.
Speaker 1: That cares about like what's happening in America. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 4: Were one of these people that refused to acknowledge that
Speaker 4: Biden was sinal for four years. Yeah, and now you're
Speaker 4: lecturing me about holding Trump accountable. I think that you
Speaker 4: need to take like a long look in the mirror
Speaker 4: about what you're willing.
Speaker 1: To do for the people that you voted for.
Speaker 2: That is a very very fair question.
Speaker 6: To add that the questions would be tougher because we
Speaker 6: are disappointed in what we're seeing. Sure, but the tenor
Speaker 6: of the question still has to be asked in a
Speaker 6: way that I feel confident you will answer.
Speaker 7: Okay, if it's hey, man, what the fuck are you
Speaker 7: doing this bullshit? Ask things sucks? Do you think he's
Speaker 7: going to answer that question.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3: That's more people who yeah, yeah, well I just I'm
Speaker 3: what I'm doing is I'm like imbibing.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: There isn't even like independent media, so like the left,
Speaker 3: independent media that I have been able to interact with.
Speaker 3: They have a theory that the podcast guys were basically
Speaker 3: taken for a ride. Like they're looking at it as look,
Speaker 3: Trump knew that he wasn't going to he wasn't going
Speaker 3: to get asked anything that he might get on NBC
Speaker 3: News or anywhere else. He basically wanted to use the
Speaker 3: audience to convince them that he was a normal dude
Speaker 3: and get them to vote for him, and that in
Speaker 3: retrospect politician.
Speaker 2: So I agree, that's I'm just getting to that point.
Speaker 3: So it's like, to the extent that you think that
Speaker 3: that happened, like it's it's not a complicity question. It's
Speaker 3: really more about a question of how do you balance
Speaker 3: that in the art of politics. I think you guys
Speaker 3: are more forgivable if that makes sense in that critique,
Speaker 3: because you actually have had on a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying speaking generally like.
Speaker 3: To the the theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and what
Speaker 3: k Neelk Boys and all of the podcasts, the Busting
Speaker 3: you Know podcast and all of the busting with the
Speaker 3: Boys and all that, Like he obviously used that to
Speaker 3: some political advantage, and now many of those people are
Speaker 3: upset and they're not necessarily as willing as.
Speaker 2: You to kind of speak out against that or to
Speaker 2: invite the others.
Speaker 1: Who is upset.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying so some of the people who privately
Speaker 3: have had on these people may be upset at the
Speaker 3: thing with Trump, right, but they're not as willing right now,
Speaker 3: you know what, to be able to say it, or
Speaker 3: they're have to couch their criticisms, maybe less so than
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 2: So like, how do you look at it? Like generally,
Speaker 2: for me personally, I'm curious.
Speaker 8: I've heard so much things about Trump from the media,
Speaker 8: Oh this is that, But seeing him in person, in
Speaker 8: long form, he has less of an opportunity to bullshit us. Like,
Speaker 8: once you're talking for a good amount of time, you
Speaker 8: can start to gauge. And I want to really know
Speaker 8: who he was, and I got a sense he was
Speaker 8: much sharper than I thought he was, Like he's incredibly
Speaker 8: he's he's aware of everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like that.
Speaker 2: It's actually amazing to watch me.
Speaker 8: Anybody who wouldn't want to speak to somebody who's former
Speaker 8: president and potentially an exersion a serious person.
Speaker 3: Doesn't We're not talking about this isn't a.
Speaker 2: Platform, but they're saying that question. They have used us.
Speaker 3: This is a about being used like to the extent
Speaker 3: of like for to convince voters and to use people.
Speaker 2: Because look, I'm telling you guys, this did happen.
Speaker 3: Like I had multiple Trump interview requests and they're basically
Speaker 3: like no, And I heard it off the record.
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, you're gonna ask him to our questions
Speaker 2: like this. It was literally told to me right now I.
Speaker 3: Think, I mean, there's a reason he's going on the
Speaker 3: Ovaugh and you know, another place, because they didn't think
Speaker 3: that that was going to happen. So I mean, like,
Speaker 3: I'm asking for three things I wanted to ask him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the entire interview was, in my mind, I think,
Speaker 4: like designed to get him to a place of comfort
Speaker 4: where he could honestly speak at length of those things.
Speaker 1: I want him to acknowledge. He was going to protect IVF.
Speaker 1: It's obviously important to me. It's not my wife and
Speaker 1: I we're be able to conceive and.
Speaker 7: The way we're abortion. We wanted to ask him about that.
Speaker 4: We did, Oh yeah, we asked them about the abortion
Speaker 4: though there but it was yeah, there was like a
Speaker 4: little interest that for sure. But for me it was
Speaker 4: empathy for the illegals, which doesn't seem that he's doing,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: And uh and to his credit, Man Andrews said to Trump,
Speaker 6: you have had people working in your establishment who were
Speaker 6: here ellegal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like and then there was one more.
Speaker 10: No, it was not nicer, but what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And then there was obviously the end of the four and.
Speaker 7: Worst Al said, your ear looks fine.
Speaker 1: I mean if you listen, we said, we said, just
Speaker 1: as the revision is history. That's so funny.
Speaker 4: And I think it's very important because I think what
Speaker 4: happens a lot of time is people are looking to
Speaker 4: skirt accountability. So anybody that's critical of these interviews would
Speaker 4: like to put all the success of Trump's campaign on
Speaker 4: these interviews instead of putting, uh, some accountability on the
Speaker 4: fact that they ran a dead guy and then a
Speaker 4: woman that couldn't speak like you need to at at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it takes some accountability for
Speaker 4: not really having and having another offering that was, you know,
Speaker 4: successful to the majority of people totally. So I think
Speaker 4: it's easier to just place that blame. So I think
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 8: And we called him out for evading the questions, and
Speaker 8: then he was clever enough to come up with a
Speaker 8: term that's good.
Speaker 4: But the revision system talking about is if you remember,
Speaker 4: and there are plenty of articles that will support this.
Speaker 4: The second that interview came out, the conversation was not
Speaker 4: look at this puff piece. The conversation was on all
Speaker 4: left wing media was podcast host laughs in Trump's face
Speaker 4: about claiming that he is a kind of truthful person.
Speaker 2: Uh, hell, a breaking point. It was good, It was good.
Speaker 1: It was every headline I was watching in real time.
Speaker 1: The Kamma campaign was clipping interview and they were clipped it.
Speaker 1: They kipped, they clipped it NonStop.
Speaker 4: So if you actually look at this, the left wing
Speaker 4: media was using this as.
Speaker 1: Fuel for their fire.
Speaker 11: They weren't going look at this puff be's they asked
Speaker 11: the nice questions when everybody watched.
Speaker 1: Initially, the left was very happy about it.
Speaker 4: They're like, finally podcast brobe whatever holds them to the fire.
Speaker 1: Finally there's all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So this revisionist history where like after the election results
Speaker 4: we look back and be like, oh, they just fluffed them.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, what was it fair? Was it the
Speaker 4: best interview with Trump, which you guys said the left
Speaker 4: wing is saying, or was it the reason he got elected?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like, now it's a very fair.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like this stuff is like disingenuous.
Speaker 8: Well he lost, it would have been oh Trump ruined
Speaker 8: his election by going.
Speaker 3: And people did say that, right, remember, like oh, Tony
Speaker 3: Hinchcliff is going to cost Trump went.
Speaker 6: Up also taken for a ride. This is a ride
Speaker 6: that was open to Kamala. She didn't want to come on, right,
Speaker 6: So like it was.
Speaker 1: Open for wall she didn't want to come on. It
Speaker 1: was over for everybody. We literally asked everybody and.
Speaker 3: Then Athle Now a lot of them are coming on,
Speaker 3: which I think is good and I think it's a
Speaker 3: great thing. So what I think that's the interesting part.
Speaker 3: You know, to watch Buda Judge kind of come on
Speaker 3: here and his clips went massively and.
Speaker 4: I think, what a lot of people are realizing that
Speaker 4: don't just watch headlines. The people who eventually wouldn't really
Speaker 4: watch us and had a perception of us, and then
Speaker 4: they go watch like the full Buddha Judge interview, they
Speaker 4: watch the full is that like this idea that like
Speaker 4: we're this like Maga pod is really just kind of
Speaker 4: like placed on us. In reality, we're four guys who
Speaker 4: live in New York City, born and raised, I mean
Speaker 4: Alexander born, raised in New York City, like lifelong Democrats, right,
Speaker 4: who felt.
Speaker 1: This, Yeah, we've forgiven the.
Speaker 4: But like but like so this idea of us, I
Speaker 4: think you obviously know us, so it's like not really true.
Speaker 4: And then I think people were trying to grapple with
Speaker 4: when they watched the Buddha Judge interview, like what they
Speaker 4: thought we were and then what.
Speaker 1: We actually are. And that's what happens when you only
Speaker 1: read and watch headlines.
Speaker 4: Now, what I always say is like we're accountable for
Speaker 4: that when we put content out on the Internet. You know,
Speaker 4: it can be cut and sliced in all these different ways,
Speaker 4: so like that's not their fault, that's that's our I
Speaker 4: don't want to call fault, but we're accountable That's totally fine, right,
Speaker 4: that's the game we play, of course, and eventually we
Speaker 4: hope that enough different voices come on the podcast as
Speaker 4: we've all endeavored to do, where people get a better
Speaker 4: sense of a sense of us. But like, you're gonna
Speaker 4: go through criticism on the way, and if the first
Speaker 4: time you get criticism, you fold you never really were
Speaker 4: about in the first place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's switch to immigration, because this is
Speaker 3: where I find the most interesting divide. So I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's true, and I didn't ask Joe if
Speaker 3: it was true, but there was a report about dinner.
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan had dinner with Trump and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I want you to go lighten up on mass deportation.
Speaker 2: You have been very open about it. I wish that
Speaker 2: he wasn't doing this.
Speaker 3: That's the one thing where I'm like, you really didn't
Speaker 3: know what you were voting for. Like there was a
Speaker 3: sign that said mass deportation at the RNC right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it literally said it. He said, I'm going to declare
Speaker 3: the Alien Enemies Act and I'm going to deport them
Speaker 3: in me idiately on day one.
Speaker 2: Like it was always open season.
Speaker 3: There was no distinction criminal or not maybe sometimes, but
Speaker 3: like it was pretty open.
Speaker 2: It's like if you're illegal, you're going home.
Speaker 3: So I mean, look, I understand real politic and like
Speaker 3: and you know, you have to balance certain things. But
Speaker 3: that's where I've seen some of the like, come on, guys,
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like in your.
Speaker 3: Pushback, like you voted for you quite literally voted for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's reasonable, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't bring up immigration when I said these weren't
Speaker 4: the things I'm voting for, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: That's where yeah, that's where it's just gingenuous.
Speaker 4: Like I was specifically talking about Epstein, foreign wars and
Speaker 4: the budget. Sure, and then they go, look at all
Speaker 4: this stuff with immigration, that's how what you're voting for.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not bringing that up. I brought that up,
Speaker 4: then that would have been the context.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 4: I think the bummer is that, like it's a bipartisan
Speaker 4: supported issue to get every criminal illegal alien out of here.
Speaker 4: I think when you start to get the divide is
Speaker 4: when you have people that have been working for your
Speaker 4: family for years. You see these hardworking people that are
Speaker 4: doing these businesses.
Speaker 1: Yes they're here.
Speaker 4: Illegally, yes, they came illegally and they knew if they
Speaker 4: got caught, they'd be thrown back.
Speaker 1: That is the game.
Speaker 4: I get that, but it pulls at archings when you
Speaker 4: see like a family being torn apart and we you
Speaker 4: see them running into a fucking home depot and these
Speaker 4: guys scattered it Like, as a human being, you have
Speaker 4: an emotional reaction to that. Okay, So I have a
Speaker 4: lot of empathy for that, and that's what I spoke
Speaker 4: to Trump about. I was like, guys, maybe there's a
Speaker 4: better way. I don't know how you go about doing it.
Speaker 4: I don't know how Holman does it. But if you
Speaker 4: least bare minimum just started with anybody who had committed
Speaker 4: a crime, I think you would get a lot more supports.
Speaker 7: Which is what he told us he would do.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, look again, though I want to be fair
Speaker 3: to them. Alien Enemies Act was out there like they
Speaker 3: were like, this is what we're doing, like Sect by
Speaker 3: El Salvador. It was honest.
Speaker 4: Like, no, I don't think that they I don't think
Speaker 4: they were dishonest, but I also don't I also don't
Speaker 4: think that like you have to agree with every single
Speaker 4: policy that the president has. I totally and I don't
Speaker 4: think that you are accountable for every single one. You
Speaker 4: could say, you could say, yes, you you supported it,
Speaker 4: because if you voted for that person, you did a
Speaker 4: Harper said, But it doesn't mean you agree with it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's a
Speaker 4: lot of people that voted for Obama that might not
Speaker 4: agree with drone striking a wedding. Are they responsible for
Speaker 4: those deaths? Is that the thing that they voted for? Like,
Speaker 4: did I kill those people?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want that to happen, right, So I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that governments do. I think
Speaker 4: the people that voted for, you know, different politicians in Flint, Michigan,
Speaker 4: they don't feel responsible for all those kids were poisoned
Speaker 4: by the lead pipes, but technically they did vote for
Speaker 4: those politicians that allowed that to happen. So this is
Speaker 4: one of those things where it's just like people are hurt,
Speaker 4: they're angry, and I think that they're trying to like
Speaker 4: place that blame for that pain and that anger they feel.
Speaker 4: And I get that that's a human reaction. You're totally
Speaker 4: allowed to do it. But I'm just gonna explain, like
Speaker 4: my perspective.
Speaker 6: To your point in two thousand and eight, didn't Obama
Speaker 6: say he was against a gay marriage?
Speaker 7: So it can vote for Obama's your fault.
Speaker 10: They didn't get it, must be a homophobe if he
Speaker 10: won more votes, and that's how he was able to
Speaker 10: become by doing that.
Speaker 2: Uh all right.
Speaker 3: So the final one, which I think is a very
Speaker 3: interesting question, is around vibes. And so the biggest critique
Speaker 3: I have seen, and I'll be honest, I even fell
Speaker 3: victim to some of this was you guys were voting
Speaker 3: on vibes, not on policy, not you specifically, but this
Speaker 3: contributed to the vibe based election where you encourage people
Speaker 3: or could guess got people. Everyone was in a headspace
Speaker 3: where the vibe was that Kamala and Biden.
Speaker 2: Were awful and that Trump was awesome.
Speaker 3: So to the extent here that there is regret, was
Speaker 3: any of it quote vibes based in retro?
Speaker 1: If you if you remove vibes, yeah, because I think, uh,
Speaker 1: vibes is a.
Speaker 3: Little bit it's it's hard, no, no, no excitement.
Speaker 4: It was in the ether, say I would say culture, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like there's a specific like they.
Speaker 1: Invited me to go to the inauguration and I didn't
Speaker 1: go to the inauguration.
Speaker 2: Good move in retrospect, it's.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, was like, if I go to the inauguration,
Speaker 4: I'm indorsing everything about you. Right, I'm going there and
Speaker 4: celebrating this moment. It's like, no, no, you have some
Speaker 4: ideas that I would like to see implemented, and the
Speaker 4: second you don't implement those ideas, I'm on the ass
Speaker 4: is very and if you do implement them, I'm going
Speaker 4: to praise you for implementing the ideas that I believe
Speaker 4: are good. But I think when you start going to
Speaker 4: the event the events, and you start dancing and that
Speaker 4: kind of shit, then it makes.
Speaker 1: It very difficult for you to hold that person to
Speaker 1: the fire.
Speaker 2: Look, which is what we're watching right now.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of podcast guys. You went to the inauguration,
Speaker 3: and now it's all very tepid.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like, oh, well, yeah, I will.
Speaker 3: You know it's terrible and they have bad advisors, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know, it's not just the advisor.
Speaker 1: There's there's a whole to that. Ass was a question
Speaker 1: you're asking it.
Speaker 2: Was about vibes, Well, it was just a reflection on
Speaker 2: a vibes bas What.
Speaker 4: I would say is that, like, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people were voting on culture, and there might not
Speaker 4: be policy tied to culture, but for example, like one
Speaker 4: cultural issue I think was the identity politics stuff. I
Speaker 4: think that there was like an exhaustion by it and
Speaker 4: it looked like the culture that Trump was ushering through.
Speaker 4: It's like, yo, we're not going to be obsessed with
Speaker 4: the word police and the identity politics and everything is
Speaker 4: forty different genders and you've got to put the genders
Speaker 4: that your pronouns on your bike.
Speaker 1: Like that cultural shift.
Speaker 4: I think was very supportively, especially by like the guys
Speaker 4: in the manisphere. Let's see, and I think that that
Speaker 4: captured people, and that is not necessarily a policy thing,
Speaker 4: but you have seen a massive shift, and you see
Speaker 4: all these politicians start taking their pronouns out of their
Speaker 4: Twitter bio, right you start.
Speaker 1: To see So I don't know what policy that is,
Speaker 1: but it does.
Speaker 4: Feel like it's a move in a direction for a
Speaker 4: culture shift that people want to get on board.
Speaker 8: Yes, I totally piggybacking on the culture I would say,
Speaker 8: I would call that just excitement because we've seen with
Speaker 8: Obama the way that he got people excited. We have
Speaker 8: a low voter turnout in general, but he got people
Speaker 8: who never voted before excited to vote for the first time.
Speaker 8: This last election, Trump got people excited to vote. So
Speaker 8: and then you've seen Mamdani Momdani got people exit side
Speaker 8: is to vote in a primary.
Speaker 1: We never vote in primaries. Nobody gives a fun about
Speaker 1: New York City. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He won the most votes in primary history and history
Speaker 3: with Ranke choice voting.
Speaker 2: But still, I mean, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of That's what I'm saying. It's more about excitement's.
Speaker 6: Not Depending on how you described vibes defined vibes, most
Speaker 6: elections probably come down to vibe vibes. JFK was fucking vibes,
Speaker 6: Bill Clinton was. This is the first time Republicans had
Speaker 6: vibes and y'all can't handle it. But that's because y'all
Speaker 6: Reagan had vibes. It's the first time in our lifetimes
Speaker 6: that they had vibes, and y'all, y'all ransom with no vibes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then just lost everything. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like they him on that he did
Speaker 3: get because he was the against the Iraq war that
Speaker 3: that was used against him.
Speaker 9: But it's quint essentially vibe totally gets everywhere.
Speaker 2: Howard didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 6: I'll say it, but the vibe to March Point and
Speaker 6: God to her campaign.
Speaker 9: I think we're also trying to run an equal encounter
Speaker 9: vibe energy where they were like, we are Joels Yo,
Speaker 9: and we are the Party of Joy and those guys
Speaker 9: are weird and we're joy.
Speaker 1: They were trying to manufacture vibes, right, Okay.
Speaker 4: So then finally if there was a moment where it
Speaker 4: felt like they were going to break through, it was summertime.
Speaker 4: It was like this, yeah, where like it seemed like
Speaker 4: they were having a big turnout at their live events
Speaker 4: and they were trying to they were looking at Trump
Speaker 4: and they're like, yo, nobody's showing up to his And
Speaker 4: then the first debate, like yo, it was it was
Speaker 4: there was a moment where it seemed like there was
Speaker 4: a lot of positive energy.
Speaker 1: And I've spoken to a lot of my friends that like.
Speaker 4: Were really staunch uh Kamala supporters and like worked in
Speaker 4: democratic campaigns, and what they said to me, which is
Speaker 4: really interesting in retrospect, They're like, I thought Kamala was
Speaker 4: going to blow them away.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be an absolute blowout.
Speaker 4: And what this showed me is that I was kind
Speaker 4: of existing in a little bit of a bubble.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's really helpful.
Speaker 4: Like, I think it's good that people start to learn
Speaker 4: that if you're existing in an echo chamber that's not
Speaker 4: only rewarded by like your friends of community, but also
Speaker 4: your algorithm, you don't get a real sense of what's
Speaker 4: happening in the world. And I think being able to
Speaker 4: pull themselves out of that, they start going, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: not every person that voted for Trump is maga.
Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of people that voted were.
Speaker 4: Just rejecting this democratic institution that seemed to like strip
Speaker 4: its contents constituents of the democratic process. And I think
Speaker 4: now they're starting to realize that. And when you ever
Speaker 4: you see like Pete or Bernie or any of these
Speaker 4: guys talk about it, they're quite critical of what happened
Speaker 4: in these last elections, and that's refreshing.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to hear more from Pete in particular.
Speaker 4: Well, also he's part of the machine, but even as
Speaker 4: part of the machine, when he came on here, like
Speaker 4: he didn't balk at it at.
Speaker 3: All we have, Yeah, but no, you guys did a
Speaker 3: good job on that actually, and and to be honest,
Speaker 3: you will have to still pay for his role in
Speaker 3: all of that, because I mean, he worked for the
Speaker 3: guy and he didn't say anything right. And at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I want to end on the
Speaker 3: Momdani point, which is what you were talking about, and
Speaker 3: you've quite a bit of news.
Speaker 2: Maga is very pissed off at you.
Speaker 3: They're like, how is a Muslim socialist pissed me?
Speaker 4: But the question is both extremes are pissed with me.
Speaker 4: I am in their perfect space.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So then, but let's talk about the New York vote first, comic,
Speaker 3: because okay, then to the extent you're a guy in
Speaker 3: our culture Matt Damon's and Jason Bourn's in your fucking
Speaker 3: promo video, that's that's pretty big, all right. So the
Speaker 3: question then on that front is as somebody who voted
Speaker 3: for Trump and then can look at a guy like
Speaker 3: Mom Donnie who if you were to watch Fox News,
Speaker 3: everyone's like, this guy's a Muslim socialist, He's going to
Speaker 3: destroy New York.
Speaker 2: And you look at this person, you say, this person.
Speaker 3: Is New York first, what in the culture leads you
Speaker 3: to that conclusion, and then also to like surmise his
Speaker 3: victory here in the Democratic primary in New.
Speaker 4: York I mean New York first, to me means he's
Speaker 4: trying to address issues that New Yorkers have instead of
Speaker 4: gas letting New Yorkers into thinking.
Speaker 1: They don't have issues.
Speaker 4: So, like the specific moment happened obviously when they're all
Speaker 4: in that like little like public access debate stage, it
Speaker 4: was embarrassing that the greatest city in the history of
Speaker 4: the world, they got like three fucking disposable cameras that.
Speaker 2: Their videotaping is like where a nice studio right now?
Speaker 9: The is going on?
Speaker 4: We should have lent them the studio, right so so uh.
Speaker 4: And then they all ask him where their first foreign
Speaker 4: trip is going to be, which is not important to
Speaker 4: New Yorkers. If I can't pay rent, where you go
Speaker 4: for your first foreign trip is not important, okay, and
Speaker 4: then he goes, I'm not leaving, I'm going stay right
Speaker 4: here and work for New Yorkers. Immediately that's a New
Speaker 4: York first mentality, right him doing the halal shit feels
Speaker 4: like New York first. Him saying rent freezes now keep
Speaker 4: in mind, I disagree with a lot of his policies,
Speaker 4: and I am really curious to see how he will
Speaker 4: enact them.
Speaker 1: One. I think they'll be quite difficult, given like the
Speaker 1: structure of our democracy, Like you're gonna have to deal
Speaker 1: with Albany to raise taxes.
Speaker 2: I've talked about this as well.
Speaker 3: It's a procedural point which non New Yorkers actually have
Speaker 3: no idea about the way this place is run is insane.
Speaker 4: It's it's very difficult, right, So I do think they'll
Speaker 4: have difficulty in executing these things. But when you want
Speaker 4: to talk about vibes, we'll talk about culture. What he
Speaker 4: is bringing forward is an idea that he is fighting
Speaker 4: to get people in New York the things that they need.
Speaker 1: And what they need is savings.
Speaker 7: What they need is e did I get it?
Speaker 1: They need is screens on our windows.
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, so, like when I say he's New
Speaker 4: York first, it seems like he's actually trying to serve
Speaker 4: the people of New York the things that they desperately need.
Speaker 1: And do I agree with his solutions?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Can he convince me when he comes on to the podcast. Sure,
Speaker 4: I would love to learn why this works from the
Speaker 4: people that I've spoken to, Like, I can see some
Speaker 4: downstream effects, especially with like the rent freezes and stuff.
Speaker 1: That might hurt. But like, let's hear it. I want
Speaker 1: to hear it out.
Speaker 4: And I feel like they're they're appealing to what New
Speaker 4: Yorkers need. I don't know what the fuck Cuomo wants
Speaker 4: to do. Has Clomo told you how he's going to
Speaker 4: help you? Like he's just going visit Israel?
Speaker 1: Though that's great, right, You've put all the people in homes?
Speaker 1: Can you let me die? You know, you don't report it.
Speaker 7: That's New York.
Speaker 8: And if you haven't heard anything, that means it's going
Speaker 8: to be status quot exactly.
Speaker 4: So if they're not saying anything, then you assume it's
Speaker 4: going to be the same. And I think that an
Speaker 4: important thing that people need to realize. And I think
Speaker 4: Trump benefited from this. I think Obama benefit from this.
Speaker 4: We have much more leeway for an outsider's ideas than
Speaker 4: we do an insider.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, why and how would you explain that to
Speaker 3: a Democrat who wants to win not just flagrant vote,
Speaker 3: but let's say the audience who's watching.
Speaker 4: Well, I think an insider the expectation is it's going
Speaker 4: to be status quo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be the same thing that we've
Speaker 1: existed and that's not working for us. Right.
Speaker 4: So, if you're an insider and you don't have any crazy,
Speaker 4: rebellious idea, and you don't because you've been politics for
Speaker 4: twenty thirty years, I'm going to assume that the exact
Speaker 4: same life that I'm living now is going to happen
Speaker 4: when you're in office. An outsider has all these kakamamie
Speaker 4: ideas that they might not be able to be implemented,
Speaker 4: but at least they have hope that they could be right,
Speaker 4: and that is seductive when you're struggling. Hope is the
Speaker 4: most amazing thing. It's antidote for everything. So let's see
Speaker 4: if they're able to implement it. Let's see if Trump
Speaker 4: is able to do these things that he promises he
Speaker 4: would do, and then if they don't, let's hold them
Speaker 4: to the fire. Let's say m Donnie does get elected
Speaker 4: and then he's not able to do these things.
Speaker 1: Hold that ask to the fire.
Speaker 8: And just hope for insiders too, because you could be
Speaker 8: a Bernie. He's been in the system forever and he's
Speaker 8: still goes right.
Speaker 7: That's where he seems like he's like an outcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you can change from inside.
Speaker 7: When you look at the Trump election.
Speaker 6: I look back on that kamalas for they them Yad,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a massive impact.
Speaker 7: Equally with Mamdannie.
Speaker 6: I think you watch that clip from that debate that
Speaker 6: you talked about, there is no question one of them
Speaker 6: seems like an outsider because the insiders are saying I'm.
Speaker 7: Gonna go to Israel.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go to And if you're watching that, you're like,
Speaker 6: what the fuck does this have to do with anything
Speaker 6: that's going along with you guys. And then the fact
Speaker 6: that anybody could take obviously my brother, I'm gonna defend him,
Speaker 6: always like to take exception to him saying Mamdanni comes
Speaker 6: across in New York first, and every other person made
Speaker 6: it about another country. And then he says, I'm taking
Speaker 6: care of New York first. He literally says he's New
Speaker 6: York first. How are we supposed to interpret that anyway?
Speaker 4: And then Portanoy is like he's a socialist, he's communists,
Speaker 4: He's doing all these things like just say you're upset
Speaker 4: about the Israel.
Speaker 1: Shit right, Yeah, stop acting like you don't live in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 4: Stop acting like you care in Miami exactly, not acting
Speaker 4: like you care for like a socialist communist runs New York.
Speaker 1: You're upset because he said globalizing. Just make it about that.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to make it about that.
Speaker 2: But they tried already.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, and it doesn't work.
Speaker 6: But like you spend enough days, just enough days here
Speaker 6: to not pay New.
Speaker 2: York Texas you go back.
Speaker 7: I don't blame you for I do too, but like,
Speaker 7: let's be honest.
Speaker 4: But yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, and you're
Speaker 4: allowed to be upset about that. You should say fucking globalized,
Speaker 4: defada and then not backing it off knowing what it
Speaker 4: means to people. It's like, that's fucked up and you
Speaker 4: should be able to be able accountable for it. And
Speaker 4: he can be fucked up.
Speaker 1: But don't give me this.
Speaker 4: I'm afraid of communists and socialism and try to attribute
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond said to me.
Speaker 7: Oh, Jamie Diamond knows what New Yorkers are going. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he knows a real New Yorker.
Speaker 2: Also, he lives in Connecticut. Any Yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: you don't FactCheck me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure care what nobody says about Donnie. If you're
Speaker 1: not spending more than fifty one percent of here in.
Speaker 4: This if you're not spending more than fifty one percent,
Speaker 4: you're not pot committed. So just shut the fuck up
Speaker 4: about it, like we are the one that got to
Speaker 4: deal with it.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the final kind of thing
Speaker 3: I wanted to end on, was to just look at
Speaker 3: whether Again, you don't have to put personalized if you
Speaker 3: don't want to. But do you think that the podcast
Speaker 3: bro audience is up for grabs for the Democrats the
Speaker 3: next Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you say that?
Speaker 3: I'm up and it's not just for you, but I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the whole egosystem. And you know, let me
Speaker 3: tell you what theo Joe Rogan, let me tell you him, Dylan, everybody.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what. Look at the this bug
Speaker 1: is going to get killed. Yeah did you get it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: You didn't? A right as.
Speaker 6: So the I regretted moving the the I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Why it's up for grabs because we're allegedly this big
Speaker 4: maga podcast. And Pete Budage just comes on and has
Speaker 4: the biggest interview of his career, not our biggest interview
Speaker 4: of our career.
Speaker 1: His biggest interview that was it's actually Rogan, Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 4: So the biggest interview of his career is our listeners,
Speaker 4: right the Bernie comes on has a massive episode with
Speaker 4: our listen So what it says to me is that
Speaker 4: what you think is our listenership is now. Now we
Speaker 4: know this because I've been doing stand up around the
Speaker 4: world and I have the most diverse audience in all
Speaker 4: of stand up. So all these white people complaining about
Speaker 4: all this bullshit who have no friends that are minorities
Speaker 4: at all, we laugh at them when we go to
Speaker 4: a show and we see what it is and it
Speaker 4: looks like the fuck you win. So what I think
Speaker 4: is it's very simple. Whoever has the idea is that
Speaker 4: meet the needs of the people and can actively convince
Speaker 4: us that they can execute those ideas is going to
Speaker 4: win our vote. It's going to win my vote. Trump
Speaker 4: had better ideas to me. Okay, then what I saw
Speaker 4: from the institution, the Democratic Institution, which had a guy
Speaker 4: who was dead as president and then inserted another person
Speaker 4: that none of us voted for, even in the primary
Speaker 4: in the first place. To me, that's subverts democracy and
Speaker 4: I don't like that. I'm an American.
Speaker 9: The class issue, I think inflation and then a lot
Speaker 9: of foreign wars is an issue that can be won
Speaker 9: by either side. Like and if go on that, if
Speaker 9: Democrats decide that they're going to really focus on that
Speaker 9: in the next election, then I think people, regardless of
Speaker 9: which you know, political aisle they fall into, will I think,
Speaker 9: you know, be responsible to it.
Speaker 4: Can I can I bring up to the going where
Speaker 4: we can stress this is like a very important thing
Speaker 4: I think for Democrats. Know, when the Republican Party win
Speaker 4: union support, it is something that you've got to pay
Speaker 4: very close attention to. If the Democratic Party does not
Speaker 4: stand for union workers, what is it stand for?
Speaker 1: What is it stand for? I agree, identity politics? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean that I think that's what happened. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 11: The Democratic Party should hold down union support, and when
Speaker 11: they decide to either not endorse anybody or some of
Speaker 11: them endorse Trump, you have to realize that there's something
Speaker 11: else going on here, right Like, and I don't know
Speaker 11: that that's That's what I would say, Like, how does
Speaker 11: Trump appealing with Republican policies to union workers, right where
Speaker 11: the fuck do those cross?
Speaker 4: So what I think it is is they just felt
Speaker 4: like the Democrats weren't answering any of their concerns.
Speaker 3: To me, it seems like, really, what you're saying is
Speaker 3: everything has to be outsider, which is a really interesting
Speaker 3: problem for the Democrats because it's a party that venerates
Speaker 3: insiders and punishes outsiders guys like Rocana who I know
Speaker 3: you guys recently, And that'll be the interesting war for them,
Speaker 3: and maybe they will pick a Buddha jet she was
Speaker 3: able to speak to you.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, mister MSNBC.
Speaker 1: I thinks, all right, I think they'll get it.
Speaker 3: I hopes that you're right for the sake of the country.
Speaker 3: I'm still personally skeptical.
Speaker 7: I think people are just disillusioned.
Speaker 6: A lot of the people, if they listen to this
Speaker 6: podcast and vote for Trump, they're just disillusioned with how
Speaker 6: things was.
Speaker 7: He seemed like things would be different now they're not.
Speaker 6: I guarantee you a lot of people listening to this
Speaker 6: podcast are disillusioned with him right now. So bring us
Speaker 6: somebody that feels different that will do differently, and then
Speaker 6: they'll vote.
Speaker 2: For that person. Get okay, okay, vibe check question from
Speaker 2: all of you.
Speaker 3: JD Vance if he runs in twenty twenty eight, I
Speaker 3: think jaj vibecheck on him.
Speaker 4: I think JD Vance is going to have to grapple
Speaker 4: with one of the most difficult things in the history
Speaker 4: of this country, and that is like how AI will
Speaker 4: fundamentally change the workforce. And I think that he is
Speaker 4: uniquely situated and that he comes from a place in
Speaker 4: America that was absolutely devastated by outsourcing. He comes from Appalaysia.
Speaker 4: He you know, comes from like a drugged up household, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: and he saw what outsourcing does to a community and
Speaker 4: once well you could call thriving community, at least there
Speaker 4: was some economic impact there. And now you know, it's
Speaker 4: like I think there's an Appalachia scholarship that they offer
Speaker 4: anybody who basically passes high school.
Speaker 1: You have free college in the state of Ohio. I mean,
Speaker 1: they treat white people, they're like Native America.
Speaker 4: It's like it's unbelievable, right, So like for me, I
Speaker 4: would ask jd It's like, how are you going to
Speaker 4: make sure the rest of America doesn't turn into the
Speaker 4: exact place that you grew up in, and what are
Speaker 4: you going to do right now?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think you should be waiting.
Speaker 4: I think you should be doing it right What policies
Speaker 4: are you implementing right now? You have the ear to
Speaker 4: the president, what are you telling we need to do
Speaker 4: to protect that from happening?
Speaker 7: And how are you going to grapple with that when
Speaker 7: Peter Tiele is funding your campaign?
Speaker 2: Well, so this is what I was really that's a
Speaker 2: fantastic question.
Speaker 3: By the way, I meant more about like vibe check
Speaker 3: as an insider or outsider.
Speaker 6: Jog Jog was suspect he seems insidary to me and
Speaker 6: that he just seems like a politician, Thank you.
Speaker 8: I think he's a brilliant Camille chameleon. I'm sorry, and
Speaker 8: he will mold to whatever he needs to be. Because
Speaker 8: the fact that he called Trump pitler and he's now
Speaker 8: his vice president, How to the fuck does that happen?
Speaker 3: Keeping my personal feelings out of this, because I genuinely
Speaker 3: want to know, Like, I'm like, how do how does
Speaker 3: how do you guys feel?
Speaker 1: I think that we I think we don't really know
Speaker 1: what I think.
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned the teal thing, I know THEO was
Speaker 2: upset about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very because they've invested in him for for
Speaker 4: a long time now. They put a lot of money in,
Speaker 4: so they're eventually going to ask for something for that.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, maybe Trump doesn't get all that
Speaker 4: big tech investment if JD's not there, Who knows. But
Speaker 4: they didn't think they didn't sign on and tail JD
Speaker 4: was announced fair. Yeah, so that's the name of the game,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure JD's aware of that. So the thing
Speaker 4: about JD is that there's without a question he's been
Speaker 4: doing defense for Trump, right, So he is obviously very intelligent.
Speaker 4: If you treat him like some country bumpkin, you're a
Speaker 4: fucking idiot, He's gonna walk all over you. He's ready
Speaker 4: for every fucking interview. And the emotion intelligence is through
Speaker 4: the roof.
Speaker 1: The guy is broke as shit, growing up, ends up,
Speaker 1: going to Yale.
Speaker 4: Offers nothing to the neple babies and Oligarch's kids at Yale,
Speaker 4: he offers nothing and somehow manages to navigate that social
Speaker 4: stratag which is very difficult even if you're a NEPO.
Speaker 2: I've known Jay since twenty fifteen, so I agree with you.
Speaker 4: What I think a lot of times dem is they
Speaker 4: they're not really treating him with maybe the respect that
Speaker 4: they and fear that they should.
Speaker 1: Once he's unleashed, we're gonna.
Speaker 4: See what happens. But he's not allowed to be unleased yet.
Speaker 4: He's in defense mode for Trump. Trump sucks up.
Speaker 1: JD goes and explains it in a way that everybody goes, Oh,
Speaker 1: that is kind of a good point. You know.
Speaker 4: He's like, she's like a think tank for when Trump
Speaker 4: does something that's unpopular, I want to know what he
Speaker 4: gotta do.
Speaker 9: But yeah, he's gonna have a massive issue depending on
Speaker 9: how Trump's you know, second term actually finishes, because he'll
Speaker 9: ultimately have to answer for a lot of the domestic
Speaker 9: as well as the foreign policy sessions, and if there's
Speaker 9: some type of like foreign invasion in Iran, then he
Speaker 9: will either have to distance himself internally, which as we know,
Speaker 9: Trump like is adamant about loyalist and so he's here
Speaker 9: now criticizing Zelensky in the White House and then we'll
Speaker 9: have to somehow backtrack on that if he's trying to
Speaker 9: get elected, or he'll have to try to justify an
Speaker 9: IRN evasion if in the event that that happens, hopefully not,
Speaker 9: and I think that it will be consequential if he
Speaker 9: trust run.
Speaker 6: I think if Trump ends his term really poorly, I
Speaker 6: don't think he wins the primary. And if it ends
Speaker 6: really well, I think Trump is going to run for
Speaker 6: a third term.
Speaker 7: That's it gonna do.
Speaker 3: I like guys, Andrew, you got to get out of here.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Let me use a studio anytime.
Speaker 7: We appreciate you.