WEBVTT - 7/19/24: Saagar Asks Andrew Schulz "Do You Regret Voting For Trump", JD Vance Vibe Check 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.440 What's up? 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:00.960 Everybody. 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.240 Welcome to Breaking Points, but this time it is being 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.880 filmed in the flagrant To studio here with the entire crew. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.239 Thank you guys so much for actually letting me use 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.640 your studio if we recorded just a great episode, and 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:13.160 it's really good to be with all of you. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.040 Absolutely all right. So we wanted. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:16.919 I wanted to do this, both Crystal and I have 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.880 been wanting to talk to you guys for a while. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.560 Kind of a reflection of a podcast Bro and the 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.440 election Andrew you specifically, I have come under a lot 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.320 of fire recently. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.800 Is the podcast Bro the guy who like. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.640 Led the way for Trump but now is apparently having 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.000 some regrets, you know, no support he. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.400 Was like gonna lose, okay, but well let's put it 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:37.680 this way. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.280 I wouldn't say it swung the election, but I also 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.600 wouldn't say that it wasn't not unimportant to have Trump 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.840 on all of these right, And this is just part 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.280 of like kind of that segment of the audience. And 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.240 so my question is that, in retrospect, do you wish 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.840 that you would handle the Trump interview differently? 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.240 No, so going to that a little bit. No, I 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.600 regret a single thing about it. I don't know why. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:03.760 I don't even know where the question comes from. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.240 Well, the question comes from an idea that there was 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.560 a lot of criticism from the quote independent or not 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.160 non independent media and they were like, well, Trump is 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.080 going on these podcasts to kind of whitewash his reputation 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.080 and basically did not face like quote tough journalistic questions. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.560 Yeah, it just depends what your expectation of journalism is. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.600 And I think that, Like, I mean, you gun speak 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.040 to this a lot. But I was speaking to David 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:25.720 Marquesy at The New York Times about this. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:26.840 Yeah I read your interview. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:27.160 Yeah. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.039 Yeah. So it's like and you know, there was some 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.920 moments where he was like asking me some questions and 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.440 I was like, ah, this is where things feel a 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.120 little bit gotcha, because he was assuming that I talked 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.280 to Bernie about one thing that I didn't talk to 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.560 Trump about, and I'm like, but when did I talk 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.200 to Bernie about it? 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.760 And he's like, well, I can't exactly say it. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.160 I'm like, well, that's kind of where it feels gotcha, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.160 because you're coming in with a specific intention. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:47.800 Yeah, that's right. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.360 So like and I actually think that he was like 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.440 really fair and that was a great interview. But like 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.480 an example of like my least favorite type of journalism, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.920 just the most low hanging fruit is like the girl 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.000 that interviewed Tim Dillon. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.520 It's not really an interview. It's like indictment. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.800 It's like I think this thing of you, and I 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.240 seek to prove that to my audience. I'm not coming 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.000 here with any curiosity, so like we don't see ourselves 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.520 as like I can't speak for you guys, but like 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.840 as journalists so much to say, it's just like people 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.200 that are having conversations that we're curious with. Now I 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.079 understand that when you get a lot of people listening, like, yeah, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.799 you should, like if you're a responsible person, like think 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.920 about like what what you owe I guess to the 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.040 audience and have that discussion. That's fair And don't get 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.200 me wrong, but like I don't subscribe to this idea 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.400 that like you have to ask these hard questions that 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.799 you're not curious about, or people that watch will criticize you. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.120 It's like you don't have to watch. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.080 Sure, if you're in front of me, I'm gonna ask 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.560 you the things that I'm curious about. People, why don't 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:45.920 you ask him about FFC and I'm like, oh, so 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.280 he can give the same fucking answer he's given for 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.720 the last two decades. It's like he's not gonna immediately 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.600 sit down with me and then after three questions like 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:54.840 you know, we use the fuck them. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.080 Kids, Like that's not how these things work, so like 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.680 for me, I think one of the reasons for the 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.400 rise in podcasting opposed to like normal or traditional media 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.520 is that you have people asking questions that they're authentically 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.239 interested in. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.519 Instead of asking questions that like they think that their 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.400 boss wants them to ask, or they're worried their base 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.840 wants to ask. Because now you're not even curious, and 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.000 the questions you're asking, you're asking them out of fear 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.680 of retribution from your audience, and now you're captured by 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.079 your audience instead of your own curiosity. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.160 And I would also say, yeah, absolutely there are at 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.520 that point, And the polls there were actually neck and neck, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.240 and Trump always overperforms in polls, so I don't know 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.560 what impact we actually had. But there were two candidates 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.000 left for president of the United States. I don't want 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.000 to talk to both of them. I want to talk 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.280 to both of them. And second of all, there's things 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.240 we all talked about that we wanted to ask Trump. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.280 But I could do the thing that feels really good 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.880 where I ask I got you a question, and I 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.200 dunk on you, and then he gets up and he 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.440 walks off and he says, go fuck yourself. I know 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.000 I've seen enough interviews with this guy to know I 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.800 have to relate to him on a human level. And 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.920 then when he feels safe, maybe he'll answer the question 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.720 I want to ask, are you gonna run for a 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:02.520 third term? 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.840 Are you willing to have tone down the rhetoric. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.760 I got to ask those questions, but you had to 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.200 get to the point where he's willing to answer those questions. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.320 So I could have done the thing that feels good 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.080 and dunked on him, but we would have gotten absolutely nowhere. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.479 That's exact. No, it's important. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.240 You just have to have the things that you want 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.000 to ask and ask him. And I had three things 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.760 I want to ask about. I asked him about those 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.440 three things, okay, and that was it. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:23.960 Yeah. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.560 I will say, my only wish is that Kamala came on. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:27.320 Yeah. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.240 Yea. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.800 To me, it seems like a Nixon Humphreys thing, where 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.880 like you know, they have the laughing moment and Nixon 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.880 does it and it turns out great, and that it 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.880 was a strategic blunder from their side. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.720 To not go on to these non traditional platforms Alex 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:40.159 or anything. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:40.960 Same. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:43.720 Well, I think the question then is. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.520 If we have Kamala on, you really can't say anything 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.480 because we're going to ask kama the same questions. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.040 We're going to have the same curiosity. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.280 We're gonna laugh with her, we're gonna make her look 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.080 like a human. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.280 Exactly, and the authentic curiosity is going to shine through. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.800 And if she bombs the interview, that's on her. If 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.640 she does great, that's on her, just like with Trump. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.720 But we're going to ask the things that we're curious about. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.960 And I think that, like the numbers show that if 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.320 you look anything from Rogan, you look anything to like 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.080 Alex Cooper. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.080 It's not just this right wing thing. There's a left wing. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.159 When people are asking the questions that they're curious about, 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.400 the interviews are indulged far more when they're doing puff 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.279 piece things like when Alice Cooper had come on, nobody 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:23.320 gives a fuck about it. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.240 And I think that tells you everything you want. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.799 Yeah, I don't disagree at all. But if we flip 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.760 it around, if for Trump were to come back today, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.680 which we hope you will, right, Like I hope you 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.960 guys here ask me they put a statement out about 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.560 you guys, would it be different tonally this time around, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.960 now that you've actually had him in office? And would 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.320 you feel what, like how would you feel as somebody 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.120 then who had been critical of him walking into that 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.360 like Tonally, would it be different in terms of the 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:49.960 tenor that you might take? 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.120 And asking a follow. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.920 Up question here, here's the thing, Like, and we said 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.440 this before, like I'm not in one of your fucking cults, right, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.120 I'm not in the right wing called the left wing 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.440 called I'm a free American And I'll ask what a 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.120 fucking question I don want to ask? Okay, So, like 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.880 for me, when somebody's in power, that's not when you relax, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.599 especially if it's a person that you voted for. That's 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.880 where you hold them to their promises. So like Trump 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.000 comes back on which he is absolutely invited to come 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.120 back on as the leader of the free world, I 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.400 want to know what's up with the Epstein shit. Like 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.039 you campaign hard, your boys camp paid hard, your girls 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:21.760 camp paid hard. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:22.000 On it. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.280 I want to know why we're not seeing it, and 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.680 I want to know why you like, we're so flippant 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.760 about it, you know, So I want to know that. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:28.880 I want to know what's going on. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.560 With the foreign warst and specifically is is diplomacy harder 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.240 than you thought? And what are the what are the 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.680 restrictions to your power when it comes to diplomacy? You know, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.359 and like you've been president already, you must know that 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.120 diplomacy is difficult. Why do you think it would be 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.000 easier this time around? And what are the hiccups? So like, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.760 I want to know these things. But it's not about 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.360 like a different tenor or anything like that. When you're 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:53.760 running for president. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.160 It's hope. What will you do? 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.720 You're selling me dreams, sure, right, and when you are president, 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.839 it's delivery, and delivery is way harder than hope, you 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.680 know what I mean? Like, I mean, I loved Obama. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.720 I voted for I'm so excited about about Obama. I 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.960 know that you're not a big fan, but to me, yes, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.120 And it's like he sold us hope so well. Some 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.520 people will be like he under delivered on that hope hope. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.360 Some people would be like he over delivered. It was 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.680 amazing to see what he got accomplished. You know, if 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.640 you ask anybody who had pre existing conditions, I think 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.240 that they're pretty fucking happy Republican or Democrat what he 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:24.120 was able to put through. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.360 So to me, that's what it's all about. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.400 It's just like, and if you're not willing to like 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.480 hold the person that you voted for to the standards 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.440 that they expected, then you're not a real person. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.680 That cares about like what's happening in America. Yeah, like 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:39.080 if you. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.720 Were one of these people that refused to acknowledge that 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.120 Biden was sinal for four years. Yeah, and now you're 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:49.160 lecturing me about holding Trump accountable. I think that you 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.440 need to take like a long look in the mirror 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.200 about what you're willing. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.440 To do for the people that you voted for. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.680 That is a very very fair question. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.840 To add that the questions would be tougher because we 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.239 are disappointed in what we're seeing. Sure, but the tenor 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.120 of the question still has to be asked in a 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.320 way that I feel confident you will answer. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.200 Okay, if it's hey, man, what the fuck are you 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.840 doing this bullshit? Ask things sucks? Do you think he's 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:11.760 going to answer that question. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.520 I don't disagree with you. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.480 That's more people who yeah, yeah, well I just I'm 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.200 what I'm doing is I'm like imbibing. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:17.600 Uh. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.480 There isn't even like independent media, so like the left, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.480 independent media that I have been able to interact with. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.960 They have a theory that the podcast guys were basically 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.040 taken for a ride. Like they're looking at it as look, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.400 Trump knew that he wasn't going to he wasn't going 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.440 to get asked anything that he might get on NBC 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.920 News or anywhere else. He basically wanted to use the 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.640 audience to convince them that he was a normal dude 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.640 and get them to vote for him, and that in 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.680 retrospect politician. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.959 So I agree, that's I'm just getting to that point. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.240 So it's like, to the extent that you think that 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.880 that happened, like it's it's not a complicity question. It's 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.200 really more about a question of how do you balance 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.760 that in the art of politics. I think you guys 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.040 are more forgivable if that makes sense in that critique, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.160 because you actually have had on a lot of people. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.000 But I'm saying speaking generally like. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.920 To the the theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and what 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.439 k Neelk Boys and all of the podcasts, the Busting 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.080 you Know podcast and all of the busting with the 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.600 Boys and all that, Like he obviously used that to 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.440 some political advantage, and now many of those people are 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.640 upset and they're not necessarily as willing as. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.880 You to kind of speak out against that or to 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:26.920 invite the others. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:28.480 Who is upset. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.560 Well, I'm saying so some of the people who privately 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.800 have had on these people may be upset at the 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:37.000 thing with Trump, right, but they're not as willing right now, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.079 you know what, to be able to say it, or 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.679 they're have to couch their criticisms, maybe less so than 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:41.000 you have. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.960 So like, how do you look at it? Like generally, 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.440 for me personally, I'm curious. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.240 I've heard so much things about Trump from the media, 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.200 Oh this is that, But seeing him in person, in 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.840 long form, he has less of an opportunity to bullshit us. Like, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.920 once you're talking for a good amount of time, you 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.880 can start to gauge. And I want to really know 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.080 who he was, and I got a sense he was 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.560 much sharper than I thought he was, Like he's incredibly 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.400 he's he's aware of everything. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:08.199 Yeah, So it's like that. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.120 It's actually amazing to watch me. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.760 Anybody who wouldn't want to speak to somebody who's former 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.000 president and potentially an exersion a serious person. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.920 Doesn't We're not talking about this isn't a. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.640 Platform, but they're saying that question. They have used us. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.040 This is a about being used like to the extent 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.000 of like for to convince voters and to use people. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.680 Because look, I'm telling you guys, this did happen. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.960 Like I had multiple Trump interview requests and they're basically 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.360 like no, And I heard it off the record. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.360 It's like, bro, you're gonna ask him to our questions 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.160 like this. It was literally told to me right now I. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.640 Think, I mean, there's a reason he's going on the 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.160 Ovaugh and you know, another place, because they didn't think 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.280 that that was going to happen. So I mean, like, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.880 I'm asking for three things I wanted to ask him. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.960 Yeah, And the entire interview was, in my mind, I think, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.280 like designed to get him to a place of comfort 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.680 where he could honestly speak at length of those things. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.240 I want him to acknowledge. He was going to protect IVF. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.920 It's obviously important to me. It's not my wife and 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:02.000 I we're be able to conceive and. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.040 The way we're abortion. We wanted to ask him about that. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.480 We did, Oh yeah, we asked them about the abortion 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.680 though there but it was yeah, there was like a 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.320 little interest that for sure. But for me it was 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.400 empathy for the illegals, which doesn't seem that he's doing, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:13.880 you know. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.080 And uh and to his credit, Man Andrews said to Trump, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.200 you have had people working in your establishment who were 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:22.640 here ellegal. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.920 Yeah, so it's like and then there was one more. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.760 No, it was not nicer, but what are you doing here? 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.839 And then there was obviously the end of the four and. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.120 Worst Al said, your ear looks fine. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.120 I mean if you listen, we said, we said, just 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:40.920 as the revision is history. That's so funny. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.720 And I think it's very important because I think what 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.640 happens a lot of time is people are looking to 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.000 skirt accountability. So anybody that's critical of these interviews would 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.960 like to put all the success of Trump's campaign on 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.320 these interviews instead of putting, uh, some accountability on the 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.040 fact that they ran a dead guy and then a 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.360 woman that couldn't speak like you need to at at 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.280 the end of the day, it takes some accountability for 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.120 not really having and having another offering that was, you know, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.319 successful to the majority of people totally. So I think 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.120 it's easier to just place that blame. So I think 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.800 there's a little bit of that going on. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.200 And we called him out for evading the questions, and 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.480 then he was clever enough to come up with a 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.319 term that's good. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.400 But the revision system talking about is if you remember, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.760 and there are plenty of articles that will support this. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:34.800 The second that interview came out, the conversation was not 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.240 look at this puff piece. The conversation was on all 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.679 left wing media was podcast host laughs in Trump's face 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.000 about claiming that he is a kind of truthful person. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.199 Uh, hell, a breaking point. It was good, It was good. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.720 It was every headline I was watching in real time. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.960 The Kamma campaign was clipping interview and they were clipped it. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.920 They kipped, they clipped it NonStop. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.920 So if you actually look at this, the left wing 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.800 media was using this as. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.240 Fuel for their fire. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.440 They weren't going look at this puff be's they asked 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.559 the nice questions when everybody watched. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.559 Initially, the left was very happy about it. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.280 They're like, finally podcast brobe whatever holds them to the fire. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:21.480 Finally there's all this stuff. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.640 So this revisionist history where like after the election results 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.959 we look back and be like, oh, they just fluffed them. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.960 It's like, well, what was it fair? Was it the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.760 best interview with Trump, which you guys said the left 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.400 wing is saying, or was it the reason he got elected? 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:34.680 Yeah? 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.160 I like, now it's a very fair. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.160 That's why I feel like this stuff is like disingenuous. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.000 Well he lost, it would have been oh Trump ruined 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.040 his election by going. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.040 And people did say that, right, remember, like oh, Tony 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.079 Hinchcliff is going to cost Trump went. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.240 Up also taken for a ride. This is a ride 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.720 that was open to Kamala. She didn't want to come on, right, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:55.640 So like it was. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.640 Open for wall she didn't want to come on. It 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.200 was over for everybody. We literally asked everybody and. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.920 Then Athle Now a lot of them are coming on, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.200 which I think is good and I think it's a 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.760 great thing. So what I think that's the interesting part. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.480 You know, to watch Buda Judge kind of come on 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.760 here and his clips went massively and. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.280 I think, what a lot of people are realizing that 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.280 don't just watch headlines. The people who eventually wouldn't really 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.120 watch us and had a perception of us, and then 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.040 they go watch like the full Buddha Judge interview, they 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.880 watch the full is that like this idea that like 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.720 we're this like Maga pod is really just kind of 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.680 like placed on us. In reality, we're four guys who 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.480 live in New York City, born and raised, I mean 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.680 Alexander born, raised in New York City, like lifelong Democrats, right, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:37.360 who felt. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.000 This, Yeah, we've forgiven the. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.120 But like but like so this idea of us, I 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.400 think you obviously know us, so it's like not really true. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.960 And then I think people were trying to grapple with 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.320 when they watched the Buddha Judge interview, like what they 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:55.600 thought we were and then what. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.000 We actually are. And that's what happens when you only 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.160 read and watch headlines. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.800 Now, what I always say is like we're accountable for 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.720 that when we put content out on the Internet. You know, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.320 it can be cut and sliced in all these different ways, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.760 so like that's not their fault, that's that's our I 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.280 don't want to call fault, but we're accountable That's totally fine, right, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.920 that's the game we play, of course, and eventually we 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.480 hope that enough different voices come on the podcast as 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.760 we've all endeavored to do, where people get a better 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.400 sense of a sense of us. But like, you're gonna 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.480 go through criticism on the way, and if the first 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.160 time you get criticism, you fold you never really were 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.120 about in the first place. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.000 Yeah, all right, let's switch to immigration, because this is 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.360 where I find the most interesting divide. So I don't 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:35.760 know if it's true, and I didn't ask Joe if 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.000 it was true, but there was a report about dinner. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.760 Joe Rogan had dinner with Trump and he was like, Hey, 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.000 I want you to go lighten up on mass deportation. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.480 You have been very open about it. I wish that 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:46.640 he wasn't doing this. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.800 That's the one thing where I'm like, you really didn't 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.400 know what you were voting for. Like there was a 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.600 sign that said mass deportation at the RNC right, Like, yeah, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.840 it literally said it. He said, I'm going to declare 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.400 the Alien Enemies Act and I'm going to deport them 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.680 in me idiately on day one. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.960 Like it was always open season. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.920 There was no distinction criminal or not maybe sometimes, but 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.920 like it was pretty open. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.800 It's like if you're illegal, you're going home. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.880 So I mean, look, I understand real politic and like 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.040 and you know, you have to balance certain things. But 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.000 that's where I've seen some of the like, come on, guys, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:21.080 like what are you talking about? 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.120 Like in your. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.760 Pushback, like you voted for you quite literally voted for this. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.520 Yeah that's reasonable, but I wouldn't. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.760 I didn't bring up immigration when I said these weren't 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.360 the things I'm voting for, Okay, fair enough. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.120 That's where yeah, that's where it's just gingenuous. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.720 Like I was specifically talking about Epstein, foreign wars and 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.200 the budget. Sure, and then they go, look at all 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.040 this stuff with immigration, that's how what you're voting for. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.680 It's like, I'm not bringing that up. I brought that up, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:43.760 then that would have been the context. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:44.480 Obviously. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.720 I think the bummer is that, like it's a bipartisan 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.080 supported issue to get every criminal illegal alien out of here. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:51.840 I think when you start to get the divide is 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.760 when you have people that have been working for your 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.280 family for years. You see these hardworking people that are 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:57.000 doing these businesses. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:57.720 Yes they're here. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.240 Illegally, yes, they came illegally and they knew if they 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.400 got caught, they'd be thrown back. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.160 That is the game. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.960 I get that, but it pulls at archings when you 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.639 see like a family being torn apart and we you 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.680 see them running into a fucking home depot and these 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.960 guys scattered it Like, as a human being, you have 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.720 an emotional reaction to that. Okay, So I have a 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.240 lot of empathy for that, and that's what I spoke 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.199 to Trump about. I was like, guys, maybe there's a 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.800 better way. I don't know how you go about doing it. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.560 I don't know how Holman does it. But if you 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.360 least bare minimum just started with anybody who had committed 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.080 a crime, I think you would get a lot more supports. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.080 Which is what he told us he would do. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:30.920 Well. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.160 I mean, look again, though I want to be fair 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.080 to them. Alien Enemies Act was out there like they 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.840 were like, this is what we're doing, like Sect by 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.440 El Salvador. It was honest. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.359 Like, no, I don't think that they I don't think 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.840 they were dishonest, but I also don't I also don't 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.800 think that like you have to agree with every single 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.240 policy that the president has. I totally and I don't 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.679 think that you are accountable for every single one. You 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.760 could say, you could say, yes, you you supported it, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.639 because if you voted for that person, you did a 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.720 Harper said, But it doesn't mean you agree with it, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.199 you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's a 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.280 lot of people that voted for Obama that might not 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.280 agree with drone striking a wedding. Are they responsible for 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.919 those deaths? Is that the thing that they voted for? Like, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.480 did I kill those people? 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:12.840 No? 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.080 I wouldn't want that to happen, right, So I think 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.640 there's a lot of things that governments do. I think 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.480 the people that voted for, you know, different politicians in Flint, Michigan, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.160 they don't feel responsible for all those kids were poisoned 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.600 by the lead pipes, but technically they did vote for 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.439 those politicians that allowed that to happen. So this is 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.320 one of those things where it's just like people are hurt, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.560 they're angry, and I think that they're trying to like 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.680 place that blame for that pain and that anger they feel. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.520 And I get that that's a human reaction. You're totally 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.560 allowed to do it. But I'm just gonna explain, like 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:41.960 my perspective. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.399 To your point in two thousand and eight, didn't Obama 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.200 say he was against a gay marriage? 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:46.920 So it can vote for Obama's your fault. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.080 They didn't get it, must be a homophobe if he 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:52.560 won more votes, and that's how he was able to 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:59.560 become by doing that. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:00.639 Uh all right. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.800 So the final one, which I think is a very 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.720 interesting question, is around vibes. And so the biggest critique 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.120 I have seen, and I'll be honest, I even fell 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.000 victim to some of this was you guys were voting 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.720 on vibes, not on policy, not you specifically, but this 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:22.159 contributed to the vibe based election where you encourage people 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.920 or could guess got people. Everyone was in a headspace 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.440 where the vibe was that Kamala and Biden. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.480 Were awful and that Trump was awesome. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.199 So to the extent here that there is regret, was 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.399 any of it quote vibes based in retro? 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.520 If you if you remove vibes, yeah, because I think, uh, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:42.040 vibes is a. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.600 Little bit it's it's hard, no, no, no excitement. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:52.359 It was in the ether, say I would say culture, Yeah, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.639 like there's a specific like they. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.440 Invited me to go to the inauguration and I didn't 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:58.200 go to the inauguration. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:19:59.879 Good move in retrospect, it's. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.440 In my opinion, was like, if I go to the inauguration, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.199 I'm indorsing everything about you. Right, I'm going there and 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.040 celebrating this moment. It's like, no, no, you have some 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.800 ideas that I would like to see implemented, and the 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.159 second you don't implement those ideas, I'm on the ass 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.399 is very and if you do implement them, I'm going 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.960 to praise you for implementing the ideas that I believe 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.960 are good. But I think when you start going to 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.199 the event the events, and you start dancing and that 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.280 kind of shit, then it makes. 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:26.919 It very difficult for you to hold that person to 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:27.240 the fire. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:28.840 Look, which is what we're watching right now. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.040 There's a lot of podcast guys. You went to the inauguration, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:32.840 and now it's all very tepid. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:34.960 Right, It's like, oh, well, yeah, I will. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.240 You know it's terrible and they have bad advisors, and 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.320 I'm like, well, you know, it's not just the advisor. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.440 There's there's a whole to that. Ass was a question 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:44.280 you're asking it. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.080 Was about vibes, Well, it was just a reflection on 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:47.120 a vibes bas What. 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:48.399 I would say is that, like, I think a lot 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.800 of people were voting on culture, and there might not 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.680 be policy tied to culture, but for example, like one 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.720 cultural issue I think was the identity politics stuff. I 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.639 think that there was like an exhaustion by it and 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.679 it looked like the culture that Trump was ushering through. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.199 It's like, yo, we're not going to be obsessed with 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.200 the word police and the identity politics and everything is 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.840 forty different genders and you've got to put the genders 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.160 that your pronouns on your bike. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.600 Like that cultural shift. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.200 I think was very supportively, especially by like the guys 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.880 in the manisphere. Let's see, and I think that that 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.240 captured people, and that is not necessarily a policy thing, 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.200 but you have seen a massive shift, and you see 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.320 all these politicians start taking their pronouns out of their 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.280 Twitter bio, right you start. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.159 To see So I don't know what policy that is, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:33.480 but it does. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.280 Feel like it's a move in a direction for a 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.520 culture shift that people want to get on board. 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.480 Yes, I totally piggybacking on the culture I would say, 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.639 I would call that just excitement because we've seen with 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.720 Obama the way that he got people excited. We have 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.320 a low voter turnout in general, but he got people 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.840 who never voted before excited to vote for the first time. 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.159 This last election, Trump got people excited to vote. So 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:00.200 and then you've seen Mamdani Momdani got people exit side 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:01.240 is to vote in a primary. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.440 We never vote in primaries. Nobody gives a fun about 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.280 New York City. That's what I'm saying. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.679 He won the most votes in primary history and history 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:09.640 with Ranke choice voting. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:10.480 But still, I mean, it's a lot. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.159 Of That's what I'm saying. It's more about excitement's. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.680 Not Depending on how you described vibes defined vibes, most 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:21.719 elections probably come down to vibe vibes. JFK was fucking vibes, 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.359 Bill Clinton was. This is the first time Republicans had 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.040 vibes and y'all can't handle it. But that's because y'all 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.960 Reagan had vibes. It's the first time in our lifetimes 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.800 that they had vibes, and y'all, y'all ransom with no vibes. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.720 Yeah, and then just lost everything. Yeah. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.680 I mean, that's like they him on that he did 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.800 get because he was the against the Iraq war that 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:44.040 that was used against him. 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.080 But it's quint essentially vibe totally gets everywhere. 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:51.560 Howard didn't do anything wrong. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.000 I'll say it, but the vibe to March Point and 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.000 God to her campaign. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.640 I think we're also trying to run an equal encounter 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.240 vibe energy where they were like, we are Joels Yo, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.440 and we are the Party of Joy and those guys 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:04.600 are weird and we're joy. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.760 They were trying to manufacture vibes, right, Okay. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:11.000 So then finally if there was a moment where it 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.680 felt like they were going to break through, it was summertime. 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.760 It was like this, yeah, where like it seemed like 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.960 they were having a big turnout at their live events 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:20.720 and they were trying to they were looking at Trump 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.520 and they're like, yo, nobody's showing up to his And 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.199 then the first debate, like yo, it was it was 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:27.720 there was a moment where it seemed like there was 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:28.800 a lot of positive energy. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.040 And I've spoken to a lot of my friends that like. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.199 Were really staunch uh Kamala supporters and like worked in 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.800 democratic campaigns, and what they said to me, which is 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.119 really interesting in retrospect, They're like, I thought Kamala was 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:42.160 going to blow them away. 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:44.159 I thought it was going to be an absolute blowout. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.400 And what this showed me is that I was kind 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.520 of existing in a little bit of a bubble. 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.480 And I think that that's really helpful. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.240 Like, I think it's good that people start to learn 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.760 that if you're existing in an echo chamber that's not 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.880 only rewarded by like your friends of community, but also 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.160 your algorithm, you don't get a real sense of what's 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.440 happening in the world. And I think being able to 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.160 pull themselves out of that, they start going, oh, maybe 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.240 not every person that voted for Trump is maga. 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.560 Maybe a lot of people that voted were. 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.720 Just rejecting this democratic institution that seemed to like strip 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:19.280 its contents constituents of the democratic process. And I think 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.800 now they're starting to realize that. And when you ever 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.800 you see like Pete or Bernie or any of these 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.600 guys talk about it, they're quite critical of what happened 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:30.679 in these last elections, and that's refreshing. 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.920 Well, I want to hear more from Pete in particular. 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.199 Well, also he's part of the machine, but even as 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:37.840 part of the machine, when he came on here, like 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:39.240 he didn't balk at it at. 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:41.199 All we have, Yeah, but no, you guys did a 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.119 good job on that actually, and and to be honest, 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.800 you will have to still pay for his role in 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.159 all of that, because I mean, he worked for the 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.639 guy and he didn't say anything right. And at the 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:50.560 end of the day, I want to end on the 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.159 Momdani point, which is what you were talking about, and 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.000 you've quite a bit of news. 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:56.280 Maga is very pissed off at you. 0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:00.639 They're like, how is a Muslim socialist pissed me? 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.840 But the question is both extremes are pissed with me. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.600 I am in their perfect space. 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:05.719 All right. 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.159 So then, but let's talk about the New York vote first, comic, 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.879 because okay, then to the extent you're a guy in 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:15.160 our culture Matt Damon's and Jason Bourn's in your fucking 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.760 promo video, that's that's pretty big, all right. So the 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.480 question then on that front is as somebody who voted 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.040 for Trump and then can look at a guy like 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.280 Mom Donnie who if you were to watch Fox News, 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:27.080 everyone's like, this guy's a Muslim socialist, He's going to 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:27.920 destroy New York. 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.000 And you look at this person, you say, this person. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:33.159 Is New York first, what in the culture leads you 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.359 to that conclusion, and then also to like surmise his 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.760 victory here in the Democratic primary in New. 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.880 York I mean New York first, to me means he's 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.159 trying to address issues that New Yorkers have instead of 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.000 gas letting New Yorkers into thinking. 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:48.800 They don't have issues. 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.520 So, like the specific moment happened obviously when they're all 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.560 in that like little like public access debate stage, it 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.879 was embarrassing that the greatest city in the history of 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.960 the world, they got like three fucking disposable cameras that. 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.919 Their videotaping is like where a nice studio right now? 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:05.800 The is going on? 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.920 We should have lent them the studio, right so so uh. 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:10.760 And then they all ask him where their first foreign 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.320 trip is going to be, which is not important to 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.200 New Yorkers. If I can't pay rent, where you go 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.919 for your first foreign trip is not important, okay, and 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.280 then he goes, I'm not leaving, I'm going stay right 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.639 here and work for New Yorkers. Immediately that's a New 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:27.040 York first mentality, right him doing the halal shit feels 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.879 like New York first. Him saying rent freezes now keep 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.840 in mind, I disagree with a lot of his policies, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.080 and I am really curious to see how he will 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:39.080 enact them. 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.359 One. I think they'll be quite difficult, given like the 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.679 structure of our democracy, Like you're gonna have to deal 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.399 with Albany to raise taxes. 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:47.320 I've talked about this as well. 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.679 It's a procedural point which non New Yorkers actually have 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.200 no idea about the way this place is run is insane. 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.240 It's it's very difficult, right, So I do think they'll 0:26:56.240 --> 0:27:00.160 have difficulty in executing these things. But when you want 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.920 to talk about vibes, we'll talk about culture. What he 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.160 is bringing forward is an idea that he is fighting 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:10.040 to get people in New York the things that they need. 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.840 And what they need is savings. 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.919 What they need is e did I get it? 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:22.720 They need is screens on our windows. 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.800 But like, yeah, so, like when I say he's New 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.399 York first, it seems like he's actually trying to serve 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.280 the people of New York the things that they desperately need. 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.480 And do I agree with his solutions? 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:35.080 No? 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.720 Can he convince me when he comes on to the podcast. Sure, 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.119 I would love to learn why this works from the 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:42.919 people that I've spoken to, Like, I can see some 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.800 downstream effects, especially with like the rent freezes and stuff. 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.880 That might hurt. But like, let's hear it. I want 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:49.320 to hear it out. 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.520 And I feel like they're they're appealing to what New 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.560 Yorkers need. I don't know what the fuck Cuomo wants 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.560 to do. Has Clomo told you how he's going to 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.080 help you? Like he's just going visit Israel? 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.080 Though that's great, right, You've put all the people in homes? 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.040 Can you let me die? You know, you don't report it. 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:04.200 That's New York. 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.240 And if you haven't heard anything, that means it's going 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.000 to be status quot exactly. 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.640 So if they're not saying anything, then you assume it's 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.760 going to be the same. And I think that an 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.359 important thing that people need to realize. And I think 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.679 Trump benefited from this. I think Obama benefit from this. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:22.360 We have much more leeway for an outsider's ideas than 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:23.480 we do an insider. 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.960 Interesting, Okay, why and how would you explain that to 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.560 a Democrat who wants to win not just flagrant vote, 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.159 but let's say the audience who's watching. 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.239 Well, I think an insider the expectation is it's going 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:34.080 to be status quo. 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:35.800 Yeah, it's going to be the same thing that we've 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.000 existed and that's not working for us. Right. 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.200 So, if you're an insider and you don't have any crazy, 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.840 rebellious idea, and you don't because you've been politics for 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.000 twenty thirty years, I'm going to assume that the exact 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.760 same life that I'm living now is going to happen 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.360 when you're in office. An outsider has all these kakamamie 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.320 ideas that they might not be able to be implemented, 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.640 but at least they have hope that they could be right, 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.280 and that is seductive when you're struggling. Hope is the 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.760 most amazing thing. It's antidote for everything. So let's see 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.120 if they're able to implement it. Let's see if Trump 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.000 is able to do these things that he promises he 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.280 would do, and then if they don't, let's hold them 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.640 to the fire. Let's say m Donnie does get elected 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.280 and then he's not able to do these things. 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.680 Hold that ask to the fire. 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.200 And just hope for insiders too, because you could be 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.040 a Bernie. He's been in the system forever and he's 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:25.520 still goes right. 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.040 That's where he seems like he's like an outcast. 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.320 Yeah, but I think you can change from inside. 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:32.160 When you look at the Trump election. 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.880 I look back on that kamalas for they them Yad, 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.520 and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a massive impact. 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.040 Equally with Mamdannie. 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.360 I think you watch that clip from that debate that 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.160 you talked about, there is no question one of them 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.280 seems like an outsider because the insiders are saying I'm. 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:47.720 Gonna go to Israel. 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.200 I'm gonna go to And if you're watching that, you're like, 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:50.680 what the fuck does this have to do with anything 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.120 that's going along with you guys. And then the fact 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.680 that anybody could take obviously my brother, I'm gonna defend him, 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.560 always like to take exception to him saying Mamdanni comes 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:01.840 across in New York first, and every other person made 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.440 it about another country. And then he says, I'm taking 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.120 care of New York first. He literally says he's New 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.480 York first. How are we supposed to interpret that anyway? 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.560 And then Portanoy is like he's a socialist, he's communists, 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.840 He's doing all these things like just say you're upset 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:18.480 about the Israel. 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.880 Shit right, Yeah, stop acting like you don't live in 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:21.280 New York. 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.360 Stop acting like you care in Miami exactly, not acting 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.000 like you care for like a socialist communist runs New York. 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.360 You're upset because he said globalizing. Just make it about that. 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:32.719 You're allowed to make it about that. 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.440 But they tried already. 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:35.720 Actually yeah, and it doesn't work. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.480 But like you spend enough days, just enough days here 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:39.240 to not pay New. 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.200 York Texas you go back. 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.120 I don't blame you for I do too, but like, 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:44.960 let's be honest. 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:46.840 But yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, and you're 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.840 allowed to be upset about that. You should say fucking globalized, 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.320 defada and then not backing it off knowing what it 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.800 means to people. It's like, that's fucked up and you 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:56.560 should be able to be able accountable for it. And 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:57.560 he can be fucked up. 0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:58.520 But don't give me this. 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.120 I'm afraid of communists and socialism and try to attribute 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:02.400 this thing. 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:03.840 Jamie Diamond said to me. 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.720 Oh, Jamie Diamond knows what New Yorkers are going. Yeah, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:07.920 he knows a real New Yorker. 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.560 Also, he lives in Connecticut. Any Yeah, I'm pretty sure 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:13.520 you don't FactCheck me. 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.719 I'm sure care what nobody says about Donnie. If you're 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.720 not spending more than fifty one percent of here in. 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.720 This if you're not spending more than fifty one percent, 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.640 you're not pot committed. So just shut the fuck up 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.520 about it, like we are the one that got to 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:27.040 deal with it. 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:27.600 I like it. 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.200 I mean, I think that's the final kind of thing 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.800 I wanted to end on, was to just look at 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.440 whether Again, you don't have to put personalized if you 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.720 don't want to. But do you think that the podcast 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.360 bro audience is up for grabs for the Democrats the 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:43.200 next Absolutely? 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.080 Yeah, why do you say that? 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.400 I'm up and it's not just for you, but I'm 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.600 talking about the whole egosystem. And you know, let me 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.840 tell you what theo Joe Rogan, let me tell you him, Dylan, everybody. 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.200 Let me tell you what. Look at the this bug 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.760 is going to get killed. Yeah did you get it? 0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:58.400 No? 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:03.240 You didn't? A right as. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:09.520 So the I regretted moving the the I'll tell you. 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.120 Why it's up for grabs because we're allegedly this big 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.160 maga podcast. And Pete Budage just comes on and has 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.560 the biggest interview of his career, not our biggest interview 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:21.160 of our career. 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:29.000 His biggest interview that was it's actually Rogan, Yeah you know, 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:29.560 But like. 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.600 So the biggest interview of his career is our listeners, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.280 right the Bernie comes on has a massive episode with 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:40.960 our listen So what it says to me is that 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.440 what you think is our listenership is now. Now we 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.440 know this because I've been doing stand up around the 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:46.959 world and I have the most diverse audience in all 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.560 of stand up. So all these white people complaining about 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.440 all this bullshit who have no friends that are minorities 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.120 at all, we laugh at them when we go to 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:55.240 a show and we see what it is and it 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.600 looks like the fuck you win. So what I think 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.520 is it's very simple. Whoever has the idea is that 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.560 meet the needs of the people and can actively convince 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.000 us that they can execute those ideas is going to 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.719 win our vote. It's going to win my vote. Trump 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:13.760 had better ideas to me. Okay, then what I saw 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.880 from the institution, the Democratic Institution, which had a guy 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.440 who was dead as president and then inserted another person 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.240 that none of us voted for, even in the primary 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.880 in the first place. To me, that's subverts democracy and 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.240 I don't like that. I'm an American. 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.800 The class issue, I think inflation and then a lot 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.880 of foreign wars is an issue that can be won 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.320 by either side. Like and if go on that, if 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.640 Democrats decide that they're going to really focus on that 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.360 in the next election, then I think people, regardless of 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.120 which you know, political aisle they fall into, will I think, 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.640 you know, be responsible to it. 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.920 Can I can I bring up to the going where 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.680 we can stress this is like a very important thing 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.800 I think for Democrats. Know, when the Republican Party win 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.920 union support, it is something that you've got to pay 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.360 very close attention to. If the Democratic Party does not 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.279 stand for union workers, what is it stand for? 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.840 What is it stand for? I agree, identity politics? I 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:15.160 don't know. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.880 I mean that I think that's what happened. Yeah, I'm 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:17.400 with you. 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:22.799 The Democratic Party should hold down union support, and when 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.960 they decide to either not endorse anybody or some of 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.959 them endorse Trump, you have to realize that there's something 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.400 else going on here, right Like, and I don't know 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.040 that that's That's what I would say, Like, how does 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.960 Trump appealing with Republican policies to union workers, right where 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.320 the fuck do those cross? 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:41.879 So what I think it is is they just felt 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:46.200 like the Democrats weren't answering any of their concerns. 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:47.799 To me, it seems like, really, what you're saying is 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.880 everything has to be outsider, which is a really interesting 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.200 problem for the Democrats because it's a party that venerates 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.120 insiders and punishes outsiders guys like Rocana who I know 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.960 you guys recently, And that'll be the interesting war for them, 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.160 and maybe they will pick a Buddha jet she was 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:01.880 able to speak to you. 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.440 And also, you know, mister MSNBC. 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.279 I thinks, all right, I think they'll get it. 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.440 I hopes that you're right for the sake of the country. 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.200 I'm still personally skeptical. 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.680 I think people are just disillusioned. 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:12.920 A lot of the people, if they listen to this 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:14.960 podcast and vote for Trump, they're just disillusioned with how 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:15.400 things was. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.880 He seemed like things would be different now they're not. 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:19.520 I guarantee you a lot of people listening to this 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.279 podcast are disillusioned with him right now. So bring us 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.359 somebody that feels different that will do differently, and then 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:25.160 they'll vote. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.399 For that person. Get okay, okay, vibe check question from 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:27.799 all of you. 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.279 JD Vance if he runs in twenty twenty eight, I 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:31.640 think jaj vibecheck on him. 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.680 I think JD Vance is going to have to grapple 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.919 with one of the most difficult things in the history 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.040 of this country, and that is like how AI will 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.600 fundamentally change the workforce. And I think that he is 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.640 uniquely situated and that he comes from a place in 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.239 America that was absolutely devastated by outsourcing. He comes from Appalaysia. 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.959 He you know, comes from like a drugged up household, unfortunately, 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.360 and he saw what outsourcing does to a community and 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.080 once well you could call thriving community, at least there 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.479 was some economic impact there. And now you know, it's 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.879 like I think there's an Appalachia scholarship that they offer 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.040 anybody who basically passes high school. 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.839 You have free college in the state of Ohio. I mean, 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:16.400 they treat white people, they're like Native America. 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.920 It's like it's unbelievable, right, So like for me, I 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.800 would ask jd It's like, how are you going to 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.040 make sure the rest of America doesn't turn into the 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.480 exact place that you grew up in, and what are 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:29.880 you going to do right now? 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:31.400 Like, I don't think you should be waiting. 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.960 I think you should be doing it right What policies 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.520 are you implementing right now? You have the ear to 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.759 the president, what are you telling we need to do 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.040 to protect that from happening? 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:41.400 And how are you going to grapple with that when 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:42.920 Peter Tiele is funding your campaign? 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.319 Well, so this is what I was really that's a 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:46.040 fantastic question. 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.919 By the way, I meant more about like vibe check 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:49.800 as an insider or outsider. 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:57.839 Jog Jog was suspect he seems insidary to me and 0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.840 that he just seems like a politician, Thank you. 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.160 I think he's a brilliant Camille chameleon. I'm sorry, and 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.799 he will mold to whatever he needs to be. Because 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.799 the fact that he called Trump pitler and he's now 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.200 his vice president, How to the fuck does that happen? 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.800 Keeping my personal feelings out of this, because I genuinely 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.480 want to know, Like, I'm like, how do how does 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:16.520 how do you guys feel? 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.839 I think that we I think we don't really know 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.680 what I think. 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.719 Like you mentioned the teal thing, I know THEO was 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:23.400 upset about that. 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.960 Yeah, I'm very because they've invested in him for for 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:28.799 a long time now. They put a lot of money in, 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.200 so they're eventually going to ask for something for that. 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.680 And I don't know, maybe Trump doesn't get all that 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.520 big tech investment if JD's not there, Who knows. But 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.799 they didn't think they didn't sign on and tail JD 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.520 was announced fair. Yeah, so that's the name of the game, 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.400 and I'm sure JD's aware of that. So the thing 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.480 about JD is that there's without a question he's been 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:54.360 doing defense for Trump, right, So he is obviously very intelligent. 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.080 If you treat him like some country bumpkin, you're a 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:58.319 fucking idiot, He's gonna walk all over you. He's ready 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.120 for every fucking interview. And the emotion intelligence is through 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:01.560 the roof. 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.200 The guy is broke as shit, growing up, ends up, 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:04.840 going to Yale. 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.400 Offers nothing to the neple babies and Oligarch's kids at Yale, 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.120 he offers nothing and somehow manages to navigate that social 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.200 stratag which is very difficult even if you're a NEPO. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.200 I've known Jay since twenty fifteen, so I agree with you. 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:19.120 What I think a lot of times dem is they 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.759 they're not really treating him with maybe the respect that 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.280 they and fear that they should. 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.080 Once he's unleashed, we're gonna. 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.200 See what happens. But he's not allowed to be unleased yet. 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.239 He's in defense mode for Trump. Trump sucks up. 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.239 JD goes and explains it in a way that everybody goes, Oh, 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:35.880 that is kind of a good point. You know. 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.880 He's like, she's like a think tank for when Trump 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.400 does something that's unpopular, I want to know what he 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:41.000 gotta do. 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.640 But yeah, he's gonna have a massive issue depending on 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.919 how Trump's you know, second term actually finishes, because he'll 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.120 ultimately have to answer for a lot of the domestic 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.480 as well as the foreign policy sessions, and if there's 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.239 some type of like foreign invasion in Iran, then he 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.920 will either have to distance himself internally, which as we know, 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:03.359 Trump like is adamant about loyalist and so he's here 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.160 now criticizing Zelensky in the White House and then we'll 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.799 have to somehow backtrack on that if he's trying to 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.960 get elected, or he'll have to try to justify an 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.880 IRN evasion if in the event that that happens, hopefully not, 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.320 and I think that it will be consequential if he 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:16.919 trust run. 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.120 I think if Trump ends his term really poorly, I 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.759 don't think he wins the primary. And if it ends 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.000 really well, I think Trump is going to run for 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:23.640 a third term. 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:25.600 That's it gonna do. 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.520 I like guys, Andrew, you got to get out of here. 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:28.719 Thank you guys so much for having me. 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.320 Let me use a studio anytime. 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.000 We appreciate you.