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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Breaking Points, but this time it is being

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Speaker 3: filmed in the flagrant To studio here with the entire crew.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for actually letting me use

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Speaker 3: your studio if we recorded just a great episode, and

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Speaker 3: it's really good to be with all of you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. So we wanted.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do this, both Crystal and I have

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Speaker 3: been wanting to talk to you guys for a while.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a reflection of a podcast Bro and the

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Speaker 3: election Andrew you specifically, I have come under a lot

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Speaker 3: of fire recently.

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Speaker 2: Is the podcast Bro the guy who like.

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Speaker 3: Led the way for Trump but now is apparently having

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Speaker 3: some regrets, you know, no support he.

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Speaker 2: Was like gonna lose, okay, but well let's put it

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Speaker 2: this way.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it swung the election, but I also

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say that it wasn't not unimportant to have Trump

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Speaker 3: on all of these right, And this is just part

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Speaker 3: of like kind of that segment of the audience. And

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Speaker 3: so my question is that, in retrospect, do you wish

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Speaker 3: that you would handle the Trump interview differently?

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Speaker 4: No, so going to that a little bit. No, I

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Speaker 4: regret a single thing about it. I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know where the question comes from.

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Speaker 3: Well, the question comes from an idea that there was

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Speaker 3: a lot of criticism from the quote independent or not

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Speaker 3: non independent media and they were like, well, Trump is

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Speaker 3: going on these podcasts to kind of whitewash his reputation

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Speaker 3: and basically did not face like quote tough journalistic questions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just depends what your expectation of journalism is.

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Speaker 4: And I think that, Like, I mean, you gun speak

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Speaker 4: to this a lot. But I was speaking to David

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Speaker 4: Marquesy at The New York Times about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I read your interview.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like and you know, there was some

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Speaker 4: moments where he was like asking me some questions and

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Speaker 4: I was like, ah, this is where things feel a

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Speaker 4: little bit gotcha, because he was assuming that I talked

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Speaker 4: to Bernie about one thing that I didn't talk to

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Speaker 4: Trump about, and I'm like, but when did I talk

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Speaker 4: to Bernie about it?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I can't exactly say it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's kind of where it feels gotcha,

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Speaker 4: because you're coming in with a specific intention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So like and I actually think that he was like

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Speaker 4: really fair and that was a great interview. But like

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Speaker 4: an example of like my least favorite type of journalism,

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Speaker 4: just the most low hanging fruit is like the girl

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Speaker 4: that interviewed Tim Dillon.

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Speaker 1: It's not really an interview. It's like indictment.

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Speaker 4: It's like I think this thing of you, and I

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Speaker 4: seek to prove that to my audience. I'm not coming

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Speaker 4: here with any curiosity, so like we don't see ourselves

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Speaker 4: as like I can't speak for you guys, but like

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Speaker 4: as journalists so much to say, it's just like people

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Speaker 4: that are having conversations that we're curious with. Now I

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Speaker 4: understand that when you get a lot of people listening, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you should, like if you're a responsible person, like think

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Speaker 4: audience and have that discussion. That's fair And don't get

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Speaker 4: me wrong, but like I don't subscribe to this idea

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Speaker 4: that like you have to ask these hard questions that

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Speaker 4: you're not curious about, or people that watch will criticize you.

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Speaker 1: It's like you don't have to watch.

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Speaker 4: Sure, if you're in front of me, I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 4: you the things that I'm curious about. People, why don't

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Speaker 4: you ask him about FFC and I'm like, oh, so

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Speaker 4: he can give the same fucking answer he's given for

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Speaker 4: the last two decades. It's like he's not gonna immediately

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Speaker 5: Kids, Like that's not how these things work, so like

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Speaker 5: for me, I think one of the reasons for the

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Speaker 5: rise in podcasting opposed to like normal or traditional media

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Speaker 5: is that you have people asking questions that they're authentically

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Speaker 4: Instead of asking questions that like they think that their

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Speaker 4: the questions you're asking, you're asking them out of fear

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Speaker 6: And I would also say, yeah, absolutely there are at

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Speaker 6: what impact we actually had. But there were two candidates

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Speaker 6: left for president of the United States. I don't want

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Speaker 6: to both of them. And second of all, there's things

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Speaker 6: we all talked about that we wanted to ask Trump.

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Speaker 6: But I could do the thing that feels really good

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Speaker 6: where I ask I got you a question, and I

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Speaker 6: I've seen enough interviews with this guy to know I

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Speaker 6: have to relate to him on a human level. And

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Speaker 6: then when he feels safe, maybe he'll answer the question

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Speaker 6: I want to ask, are you gonna run for a

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Speaker 7: Are you willing to have tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 6: I got to ask those questions, but you had to

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Speaker 6: get to the point where he's willing to answer those questions.

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Speaker 6: So I could have done the thing that feels good

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Speaker 6: and dunked on him, but we would have gotten absolutely nowhere.

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Speaker 2: That's exact. No, it's important.

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Speaker 4: You just have to have the things that you want

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Speaker 4: to ask and ask him. And I had three things

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Speaker 4: I want to ask about. I asked him about those

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Speaker 4: three things, okay, and that was it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I will say, my only wish is that Kamala came on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: To me, it seems like a Nixon Humphreys thing, where

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Speaker 9: like you know, they have the laughing moment and Nixon

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Speaker 9: does it and it turns out great, and that it

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Speaker 9: was a strategic blunder from their side.

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Speaker 2: To not go on to these non traditional platforms Alex

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Speaker 2: or anything.

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Speaker 1: Same.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the question then is.

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Speaker 4: If we have Kamala on, you really can't say anything

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Speaker 4: because we're going to ask kama the same questions.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have the same curiosity.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna laugh with her, we're gonna make her look

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and the authentic curiosity is going to shine through.

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Speaker 4: And if she bombs the interview, that's on her. If

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Speaker 4: But we're going to ask the things that we're curious about.

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Speaker 4: And I think that, like the numbers show that if

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Speaker 1: It's not just this right wing thing. There's a left wing.

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Speaker 4: When people are asking the questions that they're curious about,

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Speaker 4: the interviews are indulged far more when they're doing puff

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Speaker 1: And I think that tells you everything you want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree at all. But if we flip

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Speaker 3: it around, if for Trump were to come back today,

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Speaker 3: which we hope you will, right, Like I hope you

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Speaker 3: guys here ask me they put a statement out about

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Speaker 3: you guys, would it be different tonally this time around,

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Speaker 3: now that you've actually had him in office? And would

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Speaker 2: And asking a follow.

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Speaker 4: Up question here, here's the thing, Like, and we said

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Speaker 4: I'm not in the right wing called the left wing

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Speaker 4: for me, when somebody's in power, that's not when you relax,

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Speaker 4: want to know what's up with the Epstein shit. Like

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Speaker 4: you campaign hard, your boys camp paid hard, your girls

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Speaker 4: camp paid hard.

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Speaker 1: On it.

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Speaker 4: I want to know why we're not seeing it, and

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Speaker 4: I want to know why you like, we're so flippant

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Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: With the foreign warst and specifically is is diplomacy harder

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Speaker 1: It's hope. What will you do?

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, and if you're not willing to like

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Speaker 1: That cares about like what's happening in America. Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: Were one of these people that refused to acknowledge that

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Speaker 4: Biden was sinal for four years. Yeah, and now you're

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Speaker 4: lecturing me about holding Trump accountable. I think that you

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Speaker 4: need to take like a long look in the mirror

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Speaker 4: about what you're willing.

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Speaker 1: To do for the people that you voted for.

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Speaker 2: That is a very very fair question.

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Speaker 6: To add that the questions would be tougher because we

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Speaker 6: are disappointed in what we're seeing. Sure, but the tenor

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Speaker 6: of the question still has to be asked in a

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Speaker 6: way that I feel confident you will answer.

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Speaker 7: Okay, if it's hey, man, what the fuck are you

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Speaker 7: doing this bullshit? Ask things sucks? Do you think he's

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 3: That's more people who yeah, yeah, well I just I'm

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Speaker 3: what I'm doing is I'm like imbibing.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 3: There isn't even like independent media, so like the left,

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Speaker 3: independent media that I have been able to interact with.

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Speaker 3: They have a theory that the podcast guys were basically

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Speaker 3: I mean, look again, though I want to be fair

444
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Speaker 3: to them. Alien Enemies Act was out there like they

445
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Speaker 3: were like, this is what we're doing, like Sect by

446
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Speaker 3: El Salvador. It was honest.

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Speaker 4: Like, no, I don't think that they I don't think

448
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Speaker 4: they were dishonest, but I also don't I also don't

449
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Speaker 4: think that like you have to agree with every single

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Speaker 4: policy that the president has. I totally and I don't

451
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Speaker 4: think that you are accountable for every single one. You

452
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Speaker 4: could say, you could say, yes, you you supported it,

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Speaker 4: because if you voted for that person, you did a

454
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Speaker 4: Harper said, But it doesn't mean you agree with it,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's a

456
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Speaker 4: lot of people that voted for Obama that might not

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Speaker 4: agree with drone striking a wedding. Are they responsible for

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Speaker 4: those deaths? Is that the thing that they voted for? Like,

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Speaker 4: did I kill those people?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't want that to happen, right, So I think

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that governments do. I think

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Speaker 4: the people that voted for, you know, different politicians in Flint, Michigan,

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Speaker 4: they don't feel responsible for all those kids were poisoned

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Speaker 4: by the lead pipes, but technically they did vote for

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Speaker 4: those politicians that allowed that to happen. So this is

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Speaker 4: one of those things where it's just like people are hurt,

468
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Speaker 4: they're angry, and I think that they're trying to like

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Speaker 4: place that blame for that pain and that anger they feel.

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Speaker 4: And I get that that's a human reaction. You're totally

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Speaker 4: allowed to do it. But I'm just gonna explain, like

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Speaker 4: my perspective.

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Speaker 6: To your point in two thousand and eight, didn't Obama

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Speaker 6: say he was against a gay marriage?

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Speaker 7: So it can vote for Obama's your fault.

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Speaker 10: They didn't get it, must be a homophobe if he

477
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Speaker 10: won more votes, and that's how he was able to

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Speaker 10: become by doing that.

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Speaker 2: Uh all right.

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Speaker 3: So the final one, which I think is a very

481
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Speaker 3: interesting question, is around vibes. And so the biggest critique

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Speaker 3: I have seen, and I'll be honest, I even fell

483
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Speaker 3: victim to some of this was you guys were voting

484
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Speaker 3: on vibes, not on policy, not you specifically, but this

485
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Speaker 3: contributed to the vibe based election where you encourage people

486
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Speaker 3: or could guess got people. Everyone was in a headspace

487
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Speaker 3: where the vibe was that Kamala and Biden.

488
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Speaker 2: Were awful and that Trump was awesome.

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Speaker 3: So to the extent here that there is regret, was

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Speaker 3: any of it quote vibes based in retro?

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Speaker 1: If you if you remove vibes, yeah, because I think, uh,

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Speaker 1: vibes is a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit it's it's hard, no, no, no excitement.

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Speaker 4: It was in the ether, say I would say culture, Yeah,

495
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Speaker 4: like there's a specific like they.

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Speaker 1: Invited me to go to the inauguration and I didn't

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Speaker 1: go to the inauguration.

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Speaker 2: Good move in retrospect, it's.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, was like, if I go to the inauguration,

500
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Speaker 4: I'm indorsing everything about you. Right, I'm going there and

501
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 4: celebrating this moment. It's like, no, no, you have some

502
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Speaker 4: ideas that I would like to see implemented, and the

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Speaker 4: second you don't implement those ideas, I'm on the ass

504
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Speaker 4: is very and if you do implement them, I'm going

505
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Speaker 4: to praise you for implementing the ideas that I believe

506
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Speaker 4: are good. But I think when you start going to

507
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Speaker 4: the event the events, and you start dancing and that

508
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Speaker 4: kind of shit, then it makes.

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Speaker 1: It very difficult for you to hold that person to

510
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Speaker 1: the fire.

511
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Speaker 2: Look, which is what we're watching right now.

512
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of podcast guys. You went to the inauguration,

513
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Speaker 3: and now it's all very tepid.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like, oh, well, yeah, I will.

515
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Speaker 3: You know it's terrible and they have bad advisors, and

516
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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know, it's not just the advisor.

517
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Speaker 1: There's there's a whole to that. Ass was a question

518
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Speaker 1: you're asking it.

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Speaker 2: Was about vibes, Well, it was just a reflection on

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Speaker 2: a vibes bas What.

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Speaker 4: I would say is that, like, I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of people were voting on culture, and there might not

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Speaker 4: be policy tied to culture, but for example, like one

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Speaker 4: cultural issue I think was the identity politics stuff. I

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Speaker 4: think that there was like an exhaustion by it and

526
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Speaker 4: it looked like the culture that Trump was ushering through.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yo, we're not going to be obsessed with

528
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Speaker 4: the word police and the identity politics and everything is

529
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Speaker 4: forty different genders and you've got to put the genders

530
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Speaker 4: that your pronouns on your bike.

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Speaker 1: Like that cultural shift.

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Speaker 4: I think was very supportively, especially by like the guys

533
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Speaker 4: in the manisphere. Let's see, and I think that that

534
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Speaker 4: captured people, and that is not necessarily a policy thing,

535
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Speaker 4: but you have seen a massive shift, and you see

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Speaker 4: all these politicians start taking their pronouns out of their

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Speaker 4: Twitter bio, right you start.

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Speaker 1: To see So I don't know what policy that is,

539
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Speaker 1: but it does.

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Speaker 4: Feel like it's a move in a direction for a

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Speaker 4: culture shift that people want to get on board.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I totally piggybacking on the culture I would say,

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Speaker 8: I would call that just excitement because we've seen with

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Speaker 8: Obama the way that he got people excited. We have

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Speaker 8: a low voter turnout in general, but he got people

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Speaker 8: who never voted before excited to vote for the first time.

547
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Speaker 8: This last election, Trump got people excited to vote. So

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Speaker 8: and then you've seen Mamdani Momdani got people exit side

549
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Speaker 8: is to vote in a primary.

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Speaker 1: We never vote in primaries. Nobody gives a fun about

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Speaker 1: New York City. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: He won the most votes in primary history and history

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Speaker 3: with Ranke choice voting.

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Speaker 2: But still, I mean, it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of That's what I'm saying. It's more about excitement's.

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Speaker 6: Not Depending on how you described vibes defined vibes, most

557
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Speaker 6: elections probably come down to vibe vibes. JFK was fucking vibes,

558
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Speaker 6: Bill Clinton was. This is the first time Republicans had

559
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Speaker 6: vibes and y'all can't handle it. But that's because y'all

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Speaker 6: Reagan had vibes. It's the first time in our lifetimes

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Speaker 6: that they had vibes, and y'all, y'all ransom with no vibes.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and then just lost everything. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's like they him on that he did

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Speaker 3: get because he was the against the Iraq war that

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Speaker 3: that was used against him.

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Speaker 9: But it's quint essentially vibe totally gets everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Howard didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 6: I'll say it, but the vibe to March Point and

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Speaker 6: God to her campaign.

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Speaker 9: I think we're also trying to run an equal encounter

571
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Speaker 9: vibe energy where they were like, we are Joels Yo,

572
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Speaker 9: and we are the Party of Joy and those guys

573
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Speaker 9: are weird and we're joy.

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Speaker 1: They were trying to manufacture vibes, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So then finally if there was a moment where it

576
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Speaker 4: felt like they were going to break through, it was summertime.

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Speaker 4: It was like this, yeah, where like it seemed like

578
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Speaker 4: they were having a big turnout at their live events

579
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Speaker 4: and they were trying to they were looking at Trump

580
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: and they're like, yo, nobody's showing up to his And

581
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Speaker 4: then the first debate, like yo, it was it was

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Speaker 4: there was a moment where it seemed like there was

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Speaker 4: a lot of positive energy.

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Speaker 1: And I've spoken to a lot of my friends that like.

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Speaker 4: Were really staunch uh Kamala supporters and like worked in

586
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Speaker 4: democratic campaigns, and what they said to me, which is

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Speaker 4: really interesting in retrospect, They're like, I thought Kamala was

588
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Speaker 4: going to blow them away.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be an absolute blowout.

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Speaker 4: And what this showed me is that I was kind

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Speaker 4: of existing in a little bit of a bubble.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's really helpful.

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Speaker 4: Like, I think it's good that people start to learn

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Speaker 4: that if you're existing in an echo chamber that's not

595
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Speaker 4: only rewarded by like your friends of community, but also

596
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Speaker 4: your algorithm, you don't get a real sense of what's

597
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Speaker 4: happening in the world. And I think being able to

598
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Speaker 4: pull themselves out of that, they start going, oh, maybe

599
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Speaker 4: not every person that voted for Trump is maga.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of people that voted were.

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Speaker 4: Just rejecting this democratic institution that seemed to like strip

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Speaker 4: its contents constituents of the democratic process. And I think

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Speaker 4: now they're starting to realize that. And when you ever

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Speaker 4: you see like Pete or Bernie or any of these

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Speaker 4: guys talk about it, they're quite critical of what happened

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Speaker 4: in these last elections, and that's refreshing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to hear more from Pete in particular.

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Speaker 4: Well, also he's part of the machine, but even as

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Speaker 4: part of the machine, when he came on here, like

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Speaker 4: he didn't balk at it at.

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Speaker 3: All we have, Yeah, but no, you guys did a

612
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Speaker 3: good job on that actually, and and to be honest,

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Speaker 3: you will have to still pay for his role in

614
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Speaker 3: all of that, because I mean, he worked for the

615
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Speaker 3: guy and he didn't say anything right. And at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, I want to end on the

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Speaker 3: Momdani point, which is what you were talking about, and

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Speaker 3: you've quite a bit of news.

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Speaker 2: Maga is very pissed off at you.

620
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Speaker 3: They're like, how is a Muslim socialist pissed me?

621
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Speaker 4: But the question is both extremes are pissed with me.

622
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Speaker 4: I am in their perfect space.

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Speaker 2: All right.

624
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Speaker 3: So then, but let's talk about the New York vote first, comic,

625
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Speaker 3: because okay, then to the extent you're a guy in

626
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Speaker 3: our culture Matt Damon's and Jason Bourn's in your fucking

627
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: promo video, that's that's pretty big, all right. So the

628
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Speaker 3: question then on that front is as somebody who voted

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Speaker 3: for Trump and then can look at a guy like

630
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Speaker 3: Mom Donnie who if you were to watch Fox News,

631
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Speaker 3: everyone's like, this guy's a Muslim socialist, He's going to

632
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Speaker 3: destroy New York.

633
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Speaker 2: And you look at this person, you say, this person.

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Speaker 3: Is New York first, what in the culture leads you

635
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Speaker 3: to that conclusion, and then also to like surmise his

636
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Speaker 3: victory here in the Democratic primary in New.

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Speaker 4: York I mean New York first, to me means he's

638
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Speaker 4: trying to address issues that New Yorkers have instead of

639
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Speaker 4: gas letting New Yorkers into thinking.

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Speaker 1: They don't have issues.

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Speaker 4: So, like the specific moment happened obviously when they're all

642
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Speaker 4: in that like little like public access debate stage, it

643
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 4: was embarrassing that the greatest city in the history of

644
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Speaker 4: the world, they got like three fucking disposable cameras that.

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Speaker 2: Their videotaping is like where a nice studio right now?

646
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Speaker 9: The is going on?

647
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 4: We should have lent them the studio, right so so uh.

648
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Speaker 4: And then they all ask him where their first foreign

649
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Speaker 4: trip is going to be, which is not important to

650
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Speaker 4: New Yorkers. If I can't pay rent, where you go

651
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 4: for your first foreign trip is not important, okay, and

652
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Speaker 4: then he goes, I'm not leaving, I'm going stay right

653
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Speaker 4: here and work for New Yorkers. Immediately that's a New

654
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Speaker 4: York first mentality, right him doing the halal shit feels

655
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Speaker 4: like New York first. Him saying rent freezes now keep

656
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Speaker 4: in mind, I disagree with a lot of his policies,

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Speaker 4: and I am really curious to see how he will

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Speaker 4: enact them.

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Speaker 1: One. I think they'll be quite difficult, given like the

660
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Speaker 1: structure of our democracy, Like you're gonna have to deal

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Speaker 1: with Albany to raise taxes.

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this as well.

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Speaker 3: It's a procedural point which non New Yorkers actually have

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Speaker 3: no idea about the way this place is run is insane.

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Speaker 4: It's it's very difficult, right, So I do think they'll

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Speaker 4: have difficulty in executing these things. But when you want

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Speaker 4: to talk about vibes, we'll talk about culture. What he

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Speaker 4: is bringing forward is an idea that he is fighting

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Speaker 4: to get people in New York the things that they need.

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Speaker 1: And what they need is savings.

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Speaker 7: What they need is e did I get it?

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Speaker 1: They need is screens on our windows.

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Speaker 4: But like, yeah, so, like when I say he's New

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Speaker 4: York first, it seems like he's actually trying to serve

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Speaker 4: the people of New York the things that they desperately need.

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Speaker 1: And do I agree with his solutions?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Can he convince me when he comes on to the podcast. Sure,

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Speaker 4: I would love to learn why this works from the

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Speaker 4: people that I've spoken to, Like, I can see some

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Speaker 4: downstream effects, especially with like the rent freezes and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That might hurt. But like, let's hear it. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear it out.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like they're they're appealing to what New

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Speaker 4: Yorkers need. I don't know what the fuck Cuomo wants

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Speaker 4: to do. Has Clomo told you how he's going to

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Speaker 4: help you? Like he's just going visit Israel?

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Speaker 1: Though that's great, right, You've put all the people in homes?

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Speaker 1: Can you let me die? You know, you don't report it.

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Speaker 7: That's New York.

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Speaker 8: And if you haven't heard anything, that means it's going

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Speaker 8: to be status quot exactly.

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Speaker 4: So if they're not saying anything, then you assume it's

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Speaker 4: going to be the same. And I think that an

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Speaker 4: important thing that people need to realize. And I think

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Speaker 4: Trump benefited from this. I think Obama benefit from this.

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Speaker 4: We have much more leeway for an outsider's ideas than

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Speaker 4: we do an insider.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, why and how would you explain that to

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Speaker 3: a Democrat who wants to win not just flagrant vote,

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Speaker 3: but let's say the audience who's watching.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think an insider the expectation is it's going

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Speaker 4: to be status quo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be the same thing that we've

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Speaker 1: existed and that's not working for us. Right.

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Speaker 4: So, if you're an insider and you don't have any crazy,

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Speaker 4: rebellious idea, and you don't because you've been politics for

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty years, I'm going to assume that the exact

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Speaker 4: same life that I'm living now is going to happen

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Speaker 4: when you're in office. An outsider has all these kakamamie

711
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Speaker 4: ideas that they might not be able to be implemented,

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Speaker 4: but at least they have hope that they could be right,

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Speaker 4: and that is seductive when you're struggling. Hope is the

714
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Speaker 4: most amazing thing. It's antidote for everything. So let's see

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Speaker 4: if they're able to implement it. Let's see if Trump

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Speaker 4: is able to do these things that he promises he

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Speaker 4: would do, and then if they don't, let's hold them

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Speaker 4: to the fire. Let's say m Donnie does get elected

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Speaker 4: and then he's not able to do these things.

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Speaker 1: Hold that ask to the fire.

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Speaker 8: And just hope for insiders too, because you could be

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Speaker 8: a Bernie. He's been in the system forever and he's

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Speaker 8: still goes right.

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Speaker 7: That's where he seems like he's like an outcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you can change from inside.

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Speaker 7: When you look at the Trump election.

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Speaker 6: I look back on that kamalas for they them Yad,

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Speaker 6: and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a massive impact.

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Speaker 7: Equally with Mamdannie.

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Speaker 6: I think you watch that clip from that debate that

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Speaker 6: you talked about, there is no question one of them

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Speaker 6: seems like an outsider because the insiders are saying I'm.

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Speaker 7: Gonna go to Israel.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go to And if you're watching that, you're like,

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Speaker 6: what the fuck does this have to do with anything

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Speaker 6: that's going along with you guys. And then the fact

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Speaker 6: that anybody could take obviously my brother, I'm gonna defend him,

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Speaker 6: always like to take exception to him saying Mamdanni comes

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Speaker 6: across in New York first, and every other person made

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Speaker 6: it about another country. And then he says, I'm taking

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Speaker 6: care of New York first. He literally says he's New

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Speaker 6: York first. How are we supposed to interpret that anyway?

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Speaker 4: And then Portanoy is like he's a socialist, he's communists,

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Speaker 4: He's doing all these things like just say you're upset

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Speaker 4: about the Israel.

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Speaker 1: Shit right, Yeah, stop acting like you don't live in

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Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 4: Stop acting like you care in Miami exactly, not acting

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Speaker 4: like you care for like a socialist communist runs New York.

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Speaker 1: You're upset because he said globalizing. Just make it about that.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to make it about that.

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Speaker 2: But they tried already.

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Speaker 1: Actually yeah, and it doesn't work.

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Speaker 6: But like you spend enough days, just enough days here

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Speaker 6: to not pay New.

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Speaker 2: York Texas you go back.

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Speaker 7: I don't blame you for I do too, but like,

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Speaker 7: let's be honest.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, and you're

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Speaker 4: allowed to be upset about that. You should say fucking globalized,

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Speaker 4: defada and then not backing it off knowing what it

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Speaker 4: means to people. It's like, that's fucked up and you

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Speaker 4: should be able to be able accountable for it. And

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Speaker 4: he can be fucked up.

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Speaker 1: But don't give me this.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid of communists and socialism and try to attribute

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Speaker 4: this thing.

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Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond said to me.

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Speaker 7: Oh, Jamie Diamond knows what New Yorkers are going. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: he knows a real New Yorker.

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Speaker 2: Also, he lives in Connecticut. Any Yeah, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: you don't FactCheck me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure care what nobody says about Donnie. If you're

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Speaker 1: not spending more than fifty one percent of here in.

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Speaker 4: This if you're not spending more than fifty one percent,

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Speaker 4: you're not pot committed. So just shut the fuck up

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Speaker 4: about it, like we are the one that got to

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Speaker 4: deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the final kind of thing

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Speaker 3: I wanted to end on, was to just look at

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Speaker 3: whether Again, you don't have to put personalized if you

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Speaker 3: don't want to. But do you think that the podcast

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Speaker 3: bro audience is up for grabs for the Democrats the

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Speaker 3: next Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you say that?

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Speaker 3: I'm up and it's not just for you, but I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about the whole egosystem. And you know, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you what theo Joe Rogan, let me tell you him, Dylan, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what. Look at the this bug

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Speaker 1: is going to get killed. Yeah did you get it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: You didn't? A right as.

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Speaker 6: So the I regretted moving the the I'll tell you.

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Speaker 4: Why it's up for grabs because we're allegedly this big

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Speaker 4: maga podcast. And Pete Budage just comes on and has

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Speaker 4: the biggest interview of his career, not our biggest interview

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Speaker 4: of our career.

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Speaker 1: His biggest interview that was it's actually Rogan, Yeah you know,

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Speaker 1: But like.

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Speaker 4: So the biggest interview of his career is our listeners,

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Speaker 4: right the Bernie comes on has a massive episode with

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Speaker 4: our listen So what it says to me is that

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Speaker 4: what you think is our listenership is now. Now we

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Speaker 4: know this because I've been doing stand up around the

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Speaker 4: world and I have the most diverse audience in all

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Speaker 4: of stand up. So all these white people complaining about

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Speaker 4: all this bullshit who have no friends that are minorities

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Speaker 4: at all, we laugh at them when we go to

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Speaker 4: a show and we see what it is and it

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Speaker 4: looks like the fuck you win. So what I think

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Speaker 4: is it's very simple. Whoever has the idea is that

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Speaker 4: meet the needs of the people and can actively convince

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Speaker 4: us that they can execute those ideas is going to

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Speaker 4: win our vote. It's going to win my vote. Trump

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Speaker 4: had better ideas to me. Okay, then what I saw

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Speaker 4: from the institution, the Democratic Institution, which had a guy

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Speaker 4: who was dead as president and then inserted another person

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Speaker 4: that none of us voted for, even in the primary

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Speaker 4: in the first place. To me, that's subverts democracy and

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Speaker 4: I don't like that. I'm an American.

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Speaker 9: The class issue, I think inflation and then a lot

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Speaker 9: of foreign wars is an issue that can be won

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Speaker 9: by either side. Like and if go on that, if

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Speaker 9: Democrats decide that they're going to really focus on that

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Speaker 9: in the next election, then I think people, regardless of

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Speaker 9: which you know, political aisle they fall into, will I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, be responsible to it.

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Speaker 4: Can I can I bring up to the going where

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Speaker 4: we can stress this is like a very important thing

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Speaker 4: I think for Democrats. Know, when the Republican Party win

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Speaker 4: union support, it is something that you've got to pay

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Speaker 4: very close attention to. If the Democratic Party does not

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Speaker 4: stand for union workers, what is it stand for?

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Speaker 1: What is it stand for? I agree, identity politics? I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that I think that's what happened. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 11: The Democratic Party should hold down union support, and when

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Speaker 11: they decide to either not endorse anybody or some of

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Speaker 11: them endorse Trump, you have to realize that there's something

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Speaker 11: else going on here, right Like, and I don't know

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Speaker 11: that that's That's what I would say, Like, how does

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Speaker 11: Trump appealing with Republican policies to union workers, right where

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Speaker 11: the fuck do those cross?

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Speaker 4: So what I think it is is they just felt

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Speaker 4: like the Democrats weren't answering any of their concerns.

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Speaker 3: To me, it seems like, really, what you're saying is

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Speaker 3: everything has to be outsider, which is a really interesting

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Speaker 3: problem for the Democrats because it's a party that venerates

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Speaker 3: insiders and punishes outsiders guys like Rocana who I know

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Speaker 3: you guys recently, And that'll be the interesting war for them,

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Speaker 3: and maybe they will pick a Buddha jet she was

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Speaker 3: able to speak to you.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, mister MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: I thinks, all right, I think they'll get it.

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Speaker 3: I hopes that you're right for the sake of the country.

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Speaker 3: I'm still personally skeptical.

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Speaker 7: I think people are just disillusioned.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the people, if they listen to this

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Speaker 6: podcast and vote for Trump, they're just disillusioned with how

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Speaker 6: things was.

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Speaker 7: He seemed like things would be different now they're not.

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Speaker 6: I guarantee you a lot of people listening to this

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Speaker 6: podcast are disillusioned with him right now. So bring us

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Speaker 6: somebody that feels different that will do differently, and then

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Speaker 6: they'll vote.

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Speaker 2: For that person. Get okay, okay, vibe check question from

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Speaker 2: all of you.

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Speaker 3: JD Vance if he runs in twenty twenty eight, I

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Speaker 3: think jaj vibecheck on him.

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Speaker 4: I think JD Vance is going to have to grapple

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Speaker 4: with one of the most difficult things in the history

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Speaker 4: of this country, and that is like how AI will

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Speaker 4: fundamentally change the workforce. And I think that he is

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Speaker 4: uniquely situated and that he comes from a place in

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Speaker 4: America that was absolutely devastated by outsourcing. He comes from Appalaysia.

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Speaker 4: He you know, comes from like a drugged up household, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: and he saw what outsourcing does to a community and

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Speaker 4: once well you could call thriving community, at least there

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Speaker 4: was some economic impact there. And now you know, it's

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Speaker 4: like I think there's an Appalachia scholarship that they offer

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Speaker 4: anybody who basically passes high school.

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Speaker 1: You have free college in the state of Ohio. I mean,

885
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Speaker 1: they treat white people, they're like Native America.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's unbelievable, right, So like for me, I

887
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Speaker 4: would ask jd It's like, how are you going to

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Speaker 4: make sure the rest of America doesn't turn into the

889
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Speaker 4: exact place that you grew up in, and what are

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Speaker 4: you going to do right now?

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't think you should be waiting.

892
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Speaker 4: I think you should be doing it right What policies

893
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: are you implementing right now? You have the ear to

894
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Speaker 4: the president, what are you telling we need to do

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Speaker 4: to protect that from happening?

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Speaker 7: And how are you going to grapple with that when

897
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Speaker 7: Peter Tiele is funding your campaign?

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Speaker 2: Well, so this is what I was really that's a

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Speaker 2: fantastic question.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I meant more about like vibe check

901
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Speaker 3: as an insider or outsider.

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Speaker 6: Jog Jog was suspect he seems insidary to me and

903
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 6: that he just seems like a politician, Thank you.

904
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Speaker 8: I think he's a brilliant Camille chameleon. I'm sorry, and

905
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Speaker 8: he will mold to whatever he needs to be. Because

906
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Speaker 8: the fact that he called Trump pitler and he's now

907
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Speaker 8: his vice president, How to the fuck does that happen?

908
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Speaker 3: Keeping my personal feelings out of this, because I genuinely

909
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Speaker 3: want to know, Like, I'm like, how do how does

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Speaker 3: how do you guys feel?

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Speaker 1: I think that we I think we don't really know

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Speaker 1: what I think.

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned the teal thing, I know THEO was

914
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Speaker 2: upset about that.

915
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very because they've invested in him for for

916
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Speaker 4: a long time now. They put a lot of money in,

917
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Speaker 4: so they're eventually going to ask for something for that.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know, maybe Trump doesn't get all that

919
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: big tech investment if JD's not there, Who knows. But

920
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 4: they didn't think they didn't sign on and tail JD

921
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Speaker 4: was announced fair. Yeah, so that's the name of the game,

922
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Speaker 4: and I'm sure JD's aware of that. So the thing

923
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Speaker 4: about JD is that there's without a question he's been

924
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: doing defense for Trump, right, So he is obviously very intelligent.

925
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Speaker 4: If you treat him like some country bumpkin, you're a

926
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Speaker 4: fucking idiot, He's gonna walk all over you. He's ready

927
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Speaker 4: for every fucking interview. And the emotion intelligence is through

928
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Speaker 4: the roof.

929
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Speaker 1: The guy is broke as shit, growing up, ends up,

930
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Speaker 1: going to Yale.

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Speaker 4: Offers nothing to the neple babies and Oligarch's kids at Yale,

932
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Speaker 4: he offers nothing and somehow manages to navigate that social

933
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Speaker 4: stratag which is very difficult even if you're a NEPO.

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Speaker 2: I've known Jay since twenty fifteen, so I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: What I think a lot of times dem is they

936
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Speaker 4: they're not really treating him with maybe the respect that

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Speaker 4: they and fear that they should.

938
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Speaker 1: Once he's unleashed, we're gonna.

939
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Speaker 4: See what happens. But he's not allowed to be unleased yet.

940
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Speaker 4: He's in defense mode for Trump. Trump sucks up.

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Speaker 1: JD goes and explains it in a way that everybody goes, Oh,

942
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Speaker 1: that is kind of a good point. You know.

943
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Speaker 4: He's like, she's like a think tank for when Trump

944
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Speaker 4: does something that's unpopular, I want to know what he

945
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Speaker 4: gotta do.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, he's gonna have a massive issue depending on

947
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Speaker 9: how Trump's you know, second term actually finishes, because he'll

948
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Speaker 9: ultimately have to answer for a lot of the domestic

949
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Speaker 9: as well as the foreign policy sessions, and if there's

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Speaker 9: some type of like foreign invasion in Iran, then he

951
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 9: will either have to distance himself internally, which as we know,

952
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Speaker 9: Trump like is adamant about loyalist and so he's here

953
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Speaker 9: now criticizing Zelensky in the White House and then we'll

954
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Speaker 9: have to somehow backtrack on that if he's trying to

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Speaker 9: get elected, or he'll have to try to justify an

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Speaker 9: IRN evasion if in the event that that happens, hopefully not,

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Speaker 9: and I think that it will be consequential if he

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Speaker 9: trust run.

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Speaker 6: I think if Trump ends his term really poorly, I

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Speaker 6: don't think he wins the primary. And if it ends

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Speaker 6: really well, I think Trump is going to run for

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Speaker 6: a third term.

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Speaker 7: That's it gonna do.

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Speaker 3: I like guys, Andrew, you got to get out of here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Let me use a studio anytime.

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Speaker 7: We appreciate you.