Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say,
Speaker 1: well I want to be happy. You want to be
Speaker 1: happy for Dake Edo Steak? Is that woo woom? And
Speaker 1: then and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal Poison Girls.
Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over
Speaker 1: there in the Chicago Burbs, the one the only Dan Rubinstein, Sir,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 2: And full disclosure because this is a show about honesty.
Speaker 2: You got through four words before you had to restart
Speaker 2: this episode because you fumbled over something, and that's okay.
Speaker 2: We all may I probably make a lot more mistakes
Speaker 2: than you do. But have you ever listened to a
Speaker 2: podcast in which somebody accidentally left in an edit where
Speaker 2: they're like, uh oh and he played for the conference championship? Help, shoot,
Speaker 2: that's wrong?
Speaker 1: Three? Two? Have you ever listened to a podcast where
Speaker 1: they forgot an edit? I've listened to our own podcast
Speaker 1: where I've forgotten to do an edit. Is that true?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, it's the worst feeling in the world.
Speaker 1: You feel helpless because most of the time it's like,
Speaker 1: oh great. Twenty thousand people heard this already. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: really not much I can do at this point. But no,
Speaker 1: I've heard it on our show. I've heard it on
Speaker 1: other shows in full disclosure, because this is a show
Speaker 1: about honesty. Yes it is. The words that I stumbled
Speaker 1: on were my own name, Dan. It's been a day
Speaker 1: here as we record this long I'm ron brokenby a
Speaker 1: long Monday afternoon. But yes, I've heard the edits okay, good.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that everybody is as
Speaker 1: silly and dumb as we are.
Speaker 2: It's snowing here. I played tennis this morning and I
Speaker 2: woke up to a message or I received a message
Speaker 2: from you at some point saying that you received a
Speaker 2: message at seven am from your mom about the lyrics
Speaker 2: to Wop to Wap.
Speaker 1: It's the It was the annual text slash call after
Speaker 1: the Grammys from mom age. Yeah, we had a spirited
Speaker 1: conversation I'll say about the wh is she not big
Speaker 1: on kids these days? No, not the kids music. Not
Speaker 1: big on WOP. I know that's a huge surprise. Had
Speaker 1: some choice commentary about the dresses that she saw on
Speaker 1: display at the ceremony. Standard ish stuff. It's like once
Speaker 1: a year after the Grammys. That's the call you get.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, today also happens to be a day in
Speaker 2: which people are filling out brackets, and we'd be nothing
Speaker 2: if not going against the grain if we didn't do
Speaker 2: some sort of bracket related show. So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have any news you want
Speaker 2: to get to. I don't know if you want me
Speaker 2: to explain our bracket game. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: wanted me to explain what's happening in that song wap wop,
Speaker 2: like I know you have offline mentioned that, like I
Speaker 2: don't understand this reference or that reference, and can you
Speaker 2: break it down for me in an exacting way on
Speaker 2: the solid verbal. I'm happy to tye. I had to
Speaker 2: look up a lot of things, a lot of physiology.
Speaker 2: But I'm here to explain whatever you need now.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'm I think I'm good, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I think I'm okay, But I will I will
Speaker 1: keep you in the loop if anything changes. I did
Speaker 1: want to mention that we did have some Patriot League games.
Speaker 2: We did have Patriot League games, speaking of sliding, slithering, slathering, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had some.
Speaker 1: Patriot game Patriot League games. We had Holy Cross twenty
Speaker 1: to three over your Lehigh Mountain Hawks, Dan, I believe
Speaker 1: I had that right. I believe you had the Crossaders.
Speaker 1: We also had the Lafayette Leopards over Colgate. Hello, old friend,
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten in uh Fisher Stadium. Is so
Speaker 1: ty starts the year zho and two Dan two and
Speaker 1: oh interesting? I think I picked Lafayette, didn't I did you?
Speaker 1: I thought you were going against the hated Leopards. The
Speaker 1: Fordham Bucknell game was postponed. For what it's worth, We've
Speaker 1: got a handful more this weekend at Fordham, holy Cross, Lehigh, Colgate, Lafayette, Bucknell.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about those on the Thursday show. Don't forget
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Speaker 1: week all throughout the off season. Verballers dot com is
Speaker 1: where you can find the Patreon. Dan, No, I don't
Speaker 1: have news outside the Patriot League outside of.
Speaker 2: We had well did we not have I don't know
Speaker 2: if we actually discussed Les Miles being actually fired.
Speaker 1: He said he was going to be in our opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that did. Jeff Long was let go.
Speaker 2: They agreed to part ways whatever it is now. Emmett
Speaker 2: Jones is the interim coach.
Speaker 1: EMMITTT.
Speaker 2: Jones was there receiving receivers and passing game coordinator for
Speaker 2: Kansas these past couple of years. Was at Texas Tech
Speaker 2: before that, and.
Speaker 1: Then a high school coach with some success in high
Speaker 1: school going back what eight ten years. So he is
Speaker 1: the new interim head coach at Kansas, EMMITTT. Jones, And
Speaker 1: we'll see if the tag gets taken off, if he's
Speaker 1: able to start something anew in Lawrence. There was also
Speaker 1: the news that you told me about this. Drew Brees
Speaker 1: is going to be taking over for Tony Dungeee always.
Speaker 2: Felt like Tony Dungee wasn't super pumped about calling Notre
Speaker 2: Dame football games.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think I'm okay with this. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about Drew Brees, which I played at Perdue.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no time as an announcer. Oh oh, gotcha,
Speaker 1: gotcha as an announcer I know nothing about Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I'm with it probably indicates a
Speaker 1: lot about how I felt about the Tony Dungee commentary.
Speaker 1: He's probably going to be pretty bad, right, Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: He can't be any worse than Doug Flutie's first year.
Speaker 2: I think it's just going to be pretty bad because
Speaker 2: announcing football games when you have no experience announcing football games.
Speaker 2: And everybody points to Tony Romo, But my guess is
Speaker 2: and Tony Romo has a much bigger stage than Drew
Speaker 2: Brees will calling Notre Dame games, even though it's both
Speaker 2: network TV. I assume it's going to be hopefully a
Speaker 2: good transition throughout the year that he improves throughout the year,
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be quite difficult for
Speaker 2: him on that stage at first.
Speaker 1: I hope it works out. I stand by the fact
Speaker 1: that Doug Flutie's first.
Speaker 2: Years he was super into NBC show promos.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is even before he was into
Speaker 1: the NBC show promos. That was the worst first year
Speaker 1: that I can remember. Is this like an annual change
Speaker 1: like the it feels like next to Turrico since he
Speaker 1: it was Turrico after what was it Tom Hicks, Tomnri,
Speaker 1: Dan Hicks, Stan Hicks for a year or two right,
Speaker 1: and then before that was Tom hat Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why Notre Dame can't keep our NBC can't keep
Speaker 1: guys calling Notre Dame games and being sent to South
Speaker 1: ben Indiana. Well, it seems like an easy gig. We'll see,
Speaker 1: We'll see how Drew Brees does, but that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is going to take over in the booth
Speaker 1: for Tony Dungee. I don't have much else in the
Speaker 1: way of news, Daniel, No, neither do. I am ready
Speaker 1: to bracketologize, bracketologize. So the tournament, the actual basketball tournament starts,
Speaker 1: I guess on Tuesday with the initial play in games,
Speaker 1: and then the first two days, which arguably are the
Speaker 1: most fun, are Thursday and Friday, where you've got the
Speaker 1: first round games. Have you watched any college basketball this year?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think have I actually watched college basketball?
Speaker 2: I watched a YouTube highlight of I think Oregon beating
Speaker 2: Oregon State to win the Pac twelve regular season championship,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I've sat down and watched Oregon,
Speaker 2: let alone, anyone.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember, no Jody with and I has
Speaker 2: not been watching Michigan. I haven't watched any you know,
Speaker 2: the local teams USC UCLA or the local teams where
Speaker 2: I live here. I really don't think I have no.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a single solitary minute. I was super
Speaker 1: into the women last season. It was crazy bummed when
Speaker 1: Sabrina Yenesco couldn't Enescu couldn't play for a national championship,
Speaker 1: when the tournament got called off. I was actually super
Speaker 1: into that team. Well, look, we're going to play our
Speaker 1: own bracket challenge here in a much much different way.
Speaker 1: We're going to put a college football spin on it. Dan,
Speaker 1: how does the skin Yeah we are? How does the
Speaker 1: skame we are?
Speaker 2: I'm going to I have sixteen items in my sixteen
Speaker 2: item bracket, and it's a likelihood bracket.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a number of items.
Speaker 2: Maybe they have to do with wins, Maybe they have
Speaker 2: to do with specific situations. They're tied to the seeds.
Speaker 2: So I have one versus sixteen, I have six verses eleven,
Speaker 2: five verses twelve involving teams and scenarios, and you and
Speaker 2: or I have to pick the likelier scenario, okay. And
Speaker 2: it could be twenty twenty one, it could be over
Speaker 2: the course of the next few years, it could be
Speaker 2: all sorts of combinations of things. That's what I have
Speaker 2: down here. All right, So it's eight items. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you have an associated sound that you want
Speaker 2: to throw into it on the fly right now.
Speaker 1: Don't have to work on this. I I don't even
Speaker 1: have the soundboard plugged in. You hear that? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I like that sound. Yeah, we could play this, Okay,
Speaker 1: it seems obvious. Why don't we go with that? Okay?
Speaker 2: So do you want to do this in terms of
Speaker 2: like going through the seedings or do you want to
Speaker 2: actually fill out a bracket in terms of likelihood?
Speaker 1: I'll fill out a bracket. I'm gonna okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work on that on my end. Go ahead, Okay, So
Speaker 1: you're gonna be writing this bracket. You need to keep
Speaker 1: track of this because I didn't put it in bracket form.
Speaker 1: All right. Sixteen team, Yeah, sixteen item. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Do you want to start with the one versus sixteens?
Speaker 1: Get it out of the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has nothing to do once again with like,
Speaker 2: the sixteenth seed is not the least likely in my mind.
Speaker 2: It's just happens to have an item involving the number
Speaker 2: sixteen one seed BAMA National championship in the next year.
Speaker 2: Will there'd be one BAMA National championship in the next year? Okay,
Speaker 2: so that is somewhat likely.
Speaker 1: New quarterback.
Speaker 2: All sorts of changes, though among the coaching staff. It's
Speaker 2: especially sixteen plus Clemson long scrimmage plays allowed. They allowed
Speaker 2: seventeen in a shortened twenty twenty Darien Kendrick, starting defensive back,
Speaker 2: starting corner just left the team, and I believe it
Speaker 2: was just arrested. I saw so more shorthanded than they
Speaker 2: thought they'd be. They're young, but very promising up front.
Speaker 2: Returned some linebackers Trent and Simpson, a big name James
Speaker 2: Kalski back Miles Murphy looks like a star in the
Speaker 2: making up front for Clemson, and they do start the
Speaker 2: season with Georgia. They do start the season with Georgia,
Speaker 2: but the rest of their non conference schedule doesn't look crazy.
Speaker 2: South Carolina and a for sure rebuilding year Clemson. Will
Speaker 2: their defense continue the slope they fell down we saw
Speaker 2: Filder Covid light them up a little bit. We saw
Speaker 2: you in book a little bit during that game and
Speaker 2: key moments. So when I say long scrimmage plays allowed,
Speaker 2: that's forty plus yards.
Speaker 1: Forty plus yards. Ooh, so they gave a shortened season
Speaker 1: seventeen last year. Yes, wow, wow, So it's that. It'mfying
Speaker 1: it's forty and not thirty. But yes, it's that against
Speaker 1: Alabama winning a national championship next year.
Speaker 2: Yep, what is the likelier outcome the Yeah, that's forty
Speaker 2: plus Clemson in I believe it was what twelve games,
Speaker 2: so usually Clemsons playing thirteen, fourteen, fifteen games, so it's
Speaker 2: shortened for them. As Clemson ended up playing in the
Speaker 2: playoff twelve games seventeen, so over one per game. And
Speaker 2: that was a slippery falldown for Clemson, who had been
Speaker 2: very good at limiting those bigger plays. Now here's the
Speaker 2: thing that you have to leave in mind when you
Speaker 2: think about that. So difficult, it's tricky. So here's what
Speaker 2: you have to keep in mind. Obviously, there is going
Speaker 2: to be garbage time. Big playing garbage time means nothing.
Speaker 2: You're going against the Clemson threes. But that's always been
Speaker 2: the case. Is Clemson has been kind of on a
Speaker 2: rampage these last few years. The other thing to keep
Speaker 2: in mind maybe is if you're a big believer in
Speaker 2: the Clemson offense, they're going to score quickly dj uyungal La.
Speaker 2: If you're not a big believer and you think the
Speaker 2: Clemson offense is going to struggle, you know, the offensive
Speaker 2: line is back, but they lose pieces at receiver obviously,
Speaker 2: Travis Etn Trevor Lawrence the big highlight. So if they
Speaker 2: do struggle, they'll be on the field less as well.
Speaker 2: And so this is a counting stat, so more opportunities
Speaker 2: of a team is so generally Clemson is allowing about
Speaker 2: sixty five to sixty eight plays a game, but if
Speaker 2: they get seventy seventy two plays in there, you're the
Speaker 2: opportunities could be there for bigger plays.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I'm going to say the sixteen
Speaker 1: or more long scrimmage plays is my selection.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with that as well. I anticipate
Speaker 2: Clemson playing more games than twelve as well, so I
Speaker 2: don't think it gets fixed overnight. And the secondary still
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, there are some young guys
Speaker 2: that are interesting. But the guys who are playing, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think they're going to.
Speaker 1: Allow you need. You need so much to go right
Speaker 1: in order to win a national championship, even for Alabama.
Speaker 1: So you're banking on things going wrong. More likely, it's
Speaker 1: much easier for things to go wrong, for there to
Speaker 1: be blown coverage. Clemson's got tackling yeap some games against
Speaker 1: good offenses. So yeah, let's go. Let's let's ride with
Speaker 1: sixteen or more long scrimmage plays. I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1: The problem is Alabama's always excellent. I know, I know
Speaker 1: they're always excellent. I'm with you there. So we agree
Speaker 1: part put down Clemson sixty plus. I got it. What's next? Okay?
Speaker 2: So then we go to the eight nine games, eight nine,
Speaker 2: eight win Florida State eight win Florida State A lot.
Speaker 2: They went six and seven and twenty nineteen, but seemed
Speaker 2: to take a step back last year.
Speaker 1: Or nine win Duke a QUS Tech, Duke q Tech,
Speaker 1: Duke Acuse Tech. All right, so this is Duke Syracuse
Speaker 1: and Virginia Tech combined, Georgia Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech. Yes,
Speaker 1: nine wins QS Tech nine plus yeah, ooh, ooh, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty high on Florida State. You are too, We both
Speaker 1: we both may Yeah, it might be a stretch to
Speaker 1: say we're high on Florida State, but we feel fairly
Speaker 1: bullish about them, don't we. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I am feeling for the most part in terms of
Speaker 2: year two coaches who are dealta pretty rotten hand and
Speaker 2: just that twenty twenty was such a mess that that
Speaker 2: had to be their year to get to know their
Speaker 2: team and personnel and higher coaches everything like that.
Speaker 1: I am leaning.
Speaker 2: Nine win Duke Acuse Tech just because you can stumble
Speaker 2: into five wins in the ACC and with other non
Speaker 2: conference schedules that those teams have. I know, Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: plays Georgia, but I think you can stumble into five,
Speaker 2: which lowers the bar considerably. So I'm going to go
Speaker 2: with nine win.
Speaker 1: Duke Acuse Tech. I feel like that's probably the answer, because, like,
Speaker 1: as I'm going through and looking at schedules.
Speaker 2: Here, you might just look at non confer It's because
Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing. See plays four non conference games,
Speaker 2: so you can load.
Speaker 1: Up That's what I'm That's what I'm looking at. So
Speaker 1: for example, if you look at Georgia Tech. I know
Speaker 1: you said they played Georgia and that's true, but they
Speaker 1: also played Northern Illinois and Kennesaw State YEP, So I
Speaker 1: feel like there's probably more upside. Gess I's been pretty
Speaker 1: good though I know I know they have. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's probably more upside there. You know, Duke's
Speaker 1: got North Carolina A and T got a game against
Speaker 1: Charlotte which they should hopefully win. All the Charlotte's been okay,
Speaker 1: So I Duke accuse Tech is the answer here. But
Speaker 1: that's a really good question. And I don't feel any
Speaker 1: worse about Florida State, even though I'm going to go
Speaker 1: Duke acuse Tech. I just feel like it's yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if McKenzie milton is healthy and he's
Speaker 2: accurate and he's relatively mistake free, that's not the biggest ask.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, State to win it a game,
Speaker 1: not at all. But it's just it's the same deal
Speaker 1: as the first question. You just get more bites at
Speaker 1: the apple with three teams.
Speaker 2: Correct and UMass is awful, and on Florida State's non
Speaker 2: conference schedule, Notre Dame fills out one of those four.
Speaker 2: I believe, right, Jacksonville State, who's playing right now. Jacksonville
Speaker 2: State's playing right now, and certainly Florida. So having Notre
Speaker 2: Dame and Florida count to those four, that's a tough
Speaker 2: break schedule wise for Florida State right now. So I'm
Speaker 2: going Dukeacus Tech myself all right. Next up will be
Speaker 2: four and thirteen four thirteen four Rutgers Scarlet Knights wins
Speaker 2: shortened season, they go three and six three this year.
Speaker 2: And because I liked making those combos, tie thirteen for
Speaker 2: the fighting corn Boilers.
Speaker 1: Fighting corn boilers don't free to use that name in
Speaker 1: your actual practice. So that's Nebraska, Purdue and Illinoisla and
Speaker 1: I yeah thirteen, yep, wow, Nebraska, Illinois Perdue.
Speaker 2: So I would need four four five across those three teams.
Speaker 2: First year Brett Bilima, Scott Frost Reeling and Lincoln and
Speaker 2: certainly Jeff Brom low Key Reeling.
Speaker 1: In West Lafia. Wow.
Speaker 2: I you know, man, if we could get that on
Speaker 2: some sort of chiron this fall, Jeff Bram instead of
Speaker 2: head coach Purdue low Key Reeling, I'd be very happy,
Speaker 2: be thrilled.
Speaker 1: I'm fighting corn boilers. I'm looking at Rutgers schedule right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: four winds feels like a stretch to me. But it's
Speaker 1: like there's really no margin for air, because sure, I
Speaker 1: feel like in a regular season, let's put this way,
Speaker 1: in a regular season where we don't have all sorts
Speaker 1: of weird COVID protocols and injuries and whatnot, it's just
Speaker 1: probably not the same setup as it was a year
Speaker 1: ago for Rutgers. You're saying Rutgers was advantaged by a
Speaker 1: deadly pandemic in a weird way. Yes, I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying that I gid nobody was advantaged. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: just no margin for air here. They've got to beat Temple,
Speaker 1: they've got to beat Syracuse, they've got to beat the
Speaker 1: Delaware Blue Hens of obviously, obviously, and they've got to
Speaker 1: beat Illinois. That's the clearest path to get to four.
Speaker 1: They're on a Michigan State winds dreak. They are on
Speaker 1: a Michigan State win streak. But that just feels and
Speaker 1: I feel better about Rutgers. I think Chiano did a
Speaker 1: good job. Got Maryland at the end there. I think
Speaker 1: there's a couple of dots on there. There's just not
Speaker 1: much room for error. And then on the Nebraska Illinois
Speaker 1: Perdue side of things, I feel like we looked at
Speaker 1: Nebraska schedule. I'm pulling it up now, and it's not
Speaker 1: exactly an easy setup. Okay, they've got a game against Yeah,
Speaker 1: They've got a game of road tilt against Oklahoma. They've
Speaker 1: got Ohio STATEUM.
Speaker 2: Which almost got canceled. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 2: that news item I did.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma was adamant that they wanted to play the
Speaker 2: game in Nebraska said, ah, I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: for us specifically, and then it got out in Nebraska's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we intend to play. Oh yeah, we're gonna play Yeah.
Speaker 2: So tough schedule. I feel like the answer is fighting
Speaker 2: corn Boilers.
Speaker 1: Corn Boilers is the answer. It's got to be the answer,
Speaker 1: because now I'm looking at the schedule. I mean, even
Speaker 1: though it's tough for Nebraska, they can get the seven
Speaker 1: wins here. They can get the seven wins. Dan, walk
Speaker 1: me through your favorite Scott Frost Bowl season. Just lay
Speaker 1: it out. They can get the seven wins here, and
Speaker 1: then you're asking for three apiece from Purdue in Illinois,
Speaker 1: which is doable.
Speaker 2: Nebraska's they kind of had a single offensive threat last year,
Speaker 2: and he decided Nebraska's.
Speaker 1: Not for me.
Speaker 2: Right to Kentucky. Kentucky's high flying offense went home. I
Speaker 2: know those family stuff as well, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fighting corn boilers. Have fun with that, corn boilers,
Speaker 1: you're going rockers, I am. So we have to I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody has to win these games. I guess we have
Speaker 1: to agree on one.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's I suppose if we're gonna go bite
Speaker 2: at the apple theory, we'll go fighting corn boilers.
Speaker 1: Here, corn boilers. Okay, five versus twelve is up next,
Speaker 1: four wins, It's not terrible.
Speaker 2: Five versus twelve tie. This is always where there's an upset.
Speaker 2: Although this is not really a scene.
Speaker 1: We just had a thirteen over a four.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Kentucky's high flying offense. Five SEC games in
Speaker 2: which Kentucky scores over thirty points. Oh no, they had
Speaker 2: one in twenty nineteen that was Vanderbilt. But twelve Georgia
Speaker 2: wins including you can include the SEC championship game. So
Speaker 2: thirteen games, twelve Georgia wins out of thirteen twelve plus.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is extremely difficult. There is no chance
Speaker 1: Kentucky is going to score more than thirty points in
Speaker 1: five SEC games. There's no chance. There's always a chance,
Speaker 1: but given where they came from, that offense was real bad.
Speaker 1: Dan new quarterback, thirty, we won't be Will Levis, new quarterback,
Speaker 1: new coordinator. Yeah, this is what their SEC schedule looks
Speaker 1: like this year. Versus MISSOO at South Carolina, versus Florida,
Speaker 1: versus LSU. First of all, not a crazy killer of
Speaker 1: a defense in that group. Right, should have had their
Speaker 1: own issues. Sure, miss.
Speaker 2: Thirty plus points, doesn't matter how you score them. Georgia,
Speaker 2: Mississippi State, two pretty good defenses, Tennessee, Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: There is no chance that's going over thirty points in
Speaker 1: five SEC games now.
Speaker 2: So you are likely are twelve and one or thirteen
Speaker 2: and oh Georgia which includes Week one Clemson.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm on twelve here. There's just no way Kentucky's
Speaker 1: doing that. There's no way thirty points. Wandelle Robinson. I
Speaker 1: don't care. There's no chance, Okay, Mayah, I would love
Speaker 1: to see it, though, I would love to see it.
Speaker 2: I think I agree. Yeah, I was trying to find it.
Speaker 2: What about three? Could you find three thirty point games?
Speaker 2: Missoo South Carolina fandy.
Speaker 1: I could find oh god, I could find three. Sure,
Speaker 1: I could find three. Three I would take even if
Speaker 1: I was in Bridge too far. You take three over
Speaker 1: twelve Georgia wins? Yeah, I think so okay, because twelve
Speaker 1: Georgia winds is still very difficult. Everything has to go right.
Speaker 1: Next matchup three versus six, three versus six, So we have.
Speaker 2: No Oh you're doing this in quadrants? How are you
Speaker 2: doing this because we still have seven verses ten?
Speaker 1: We still have seven verses ten, three verses fourteen? Is
Speaker 1: that what you meant to say? Three versus fourteen? I'm sorry? Continue, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Yep, yep, yep yep. Three straight pac
Speaker 1: twelve titles for Oregon. They've already won two.
Speaker 2: They would add that crown, the triple crown, or fourteen
Speaker 2: plus total wins for two of the three other Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Cascade Cup. I forget what they
Speaker 2: call it. Washington Schools fourteen plus total wins for the
Speaker 2: Washington Schools, or a pack twelve crown this year for Oregon,
Speaker 2: making it three straight.
Speaker 1: Ooh, by the way, there's a decided twelve Days of
Speaker 1: Christmas feel to this game. Now that I'm great. It
Speaker 1: took me four matchups for five matchups now to catch
Speaker 1: on that this is what you were doing. But okay,
Speaker 1: so we're going pack twelve title for Oregon versus fourteen
Speaker 1: or more total wins for the Washington schools. I think
Speaker 1: I go Oregon here.
Speaker 2: Really, you don't like the trending directions of Wazoo and
Speaker 2: you so Wazoo had a completely abysmal defense this past year,
Speaker 2: and that one in three shortened season, completely abysmal. That's okay,
Speaker 2: that can be improved upon. Defense is about effort. Washington
Speaker 2: had an efficient offense, but no huge playmakers, and defensively
Speaker 2: probably not where they should have been. They got pushed
Speaker 2: around a little bit upfront. So well, Washington and Wazoo,
Speaker 2: we're talking about an average of seven wins apiece, you know,
Speaker 2: nine for U DUB five for Wazoo. That's fourteen eight and.
Speaker 1: Six ten four. Feel great about Washington. I'm not crazy
Speaker 1: about Wazoo. That's the thing. That's the thing that I
Speaker 1: have trouble without. I know, That's why I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about Wazoo, and I'm I'm mixed on Washington.
Speaker 1: You seem to be higher on Jimmy Lake, but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of mixed on Washington myself. But yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: even still, I think you're higher on the Huskies than
Speaker 1: I am. Like the I like the hire of Jimmy Lake.
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed at all to Jimmy Lake. Everything we've
Speaker 1: heard has been really positive. I like it they promoted
Speaker 1: from within, that they established continuity. But last season quote
Speaker 1: unquote last season four games whatever they played, like, that's shit.
Speaker 1: Not you can't take anything from last season seriously, in
Speaker 1: my view, it kind of all goes out the windows.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we still don't know a whole
Speaker 1: lot about what Washington's going to look like under Jimmy Lake.
Speaker 1: We know they've got a quarterback coming in that everyone's
Speaker 1: very excited about, but I just there's too many variables there,
Speaker 1: and I really just know they have a quarterback that
Speaker 1: exists already there. I know, yeah, I know, But Washington
Speaker 1: is clearly the better of the two schools in that equation. Wazoo.
Speaker 1: I'm just.
Speaker 2: You kind of need to find five or six Wazoo wins,
Speaker 2: which is becoming difficult. So if you want to say
Speaker 2: Utah State and was it Prairie State. That's who they're
Speaker 2: playing Week two. Oh, excuse me, not Prairie Portland. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize the Vikings logo. Portland State and Utah State.
Speaker 2: Good shot, Uta State first year coach, and Blake Anderson.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I like Milake Anderson.
Speaker 2: Portland State's a likely win. An Arizona at home November nineteen,
Speaker 2: likely win. Outside of that, we've got BYU that's sandwiched
Speaker 2: in there between Stanford and Arizona State on the road
Speaker 2: in October, and then it's at Cal at Utah USC
Speaker 2: Oregon State at home. So if you want to say
Speaker 2: Oregon State and what Cal in terms of close calls,
Speaker 2: enough that gets you to five maximizing five, which means
Speaker 2: you need nine from U.
Speaker 1: Doub right.
Speaker 2: Oregon has a pretty big question market quarterback, new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: a good amount of experience on offense overall, and a
Speaker 2: pretty high talent level on defense. I'm going to go
Speaker 2: for schedule. I'm going with Oregon. I'm going to go
Speaker 2: with your ducks, Dan, I'm going to go with your ducks.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm not sure. Against the bites of the apple theory,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm crazy about Oregon either, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how do we feel about Anthony Brown leading the Orgon Ducks.
Speaker 1: You think that's a good situation.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're a top twelve team in the
Speaker 2: country with Anthony Brown, but I think they can win
Speaker 2: games and position themselves somehow if they win the correct
Speaker 2: games to win the North and give themselves a shot
Speaker 2: at winning the conference. But my understanding is Anthony Brown
Speaker 2: will start, and depending on the development of ty Thompson
Speaker 2: or I mean it's probably ty Thompson his development early
Speaker 2: and roly big time quarterback freshmen, depending on his development
Speaker 2: and readiness, They'll make a decision at some point. But
Speaker 2: Anthony Brown's obviously the guy with Tyler Schuck transferring, So
Speaker 2: I think they are overall in a B minus quarterback situation,
Speaker 2: which can be good enough to win a bunch of
Speaker 2: games in the Pac twe twelve, but nothing important nationally
Speaker 2: seven ten seven or higher final regular season rank of
Speaker 2: Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Or lower going the other one.
Speaker 2: I got a toffee though Michigan, Penn State, or Wisconsin
Speaker 2: finish with ten plus wins one of them any of
Speaker 2: those three. It's seven ten seven is the regular season
Speaker 2: rank or higher for Notre Dame. Ten is the number
Speaker 2: of wins for either Michigan, Penn State, or Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's one hundred percent. The ten plus wins.
Speaker 1: There's no chance Notre Dame is going to be finished.
Speaker 1: Kade McNamara, Sean Clifford, Grammertz, Oh God, why do you
Speaker 1: have to do that to me? Yeah? First off, Sean
Speaker 1: Clifford is not going to be the quarterback? Can get
Speaker 1: Can we get get that out there? I think quarterback
Speaker 1: James Franklin made a comment that I saw floating around
Speaker 1: on Twitter earlier today, so friends were sending it around
Speaker 1: that James Franklin wants to see what to Kwan Roberson
Speaker 1: and Christian Vio can can do out there. Quote. We
Speaker 1: want to feel like we can put those guys in
Speaker 1: a game and win with them. So I interpret that
Speaker 1: as they're gonna they're gonna give them a serious look.
Speaker 1: Can we just agree that Penn State's going to be
Speaker 1: done with Sean Clifford and it's going to be one
Speaker 1: of these other guys. I don't know if that necessarily
Speaker 1: makes them better, but it's not going to make them
Speaker 1: any more disorganized on offense, especially now with your series.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna win ten games Penn State with a
Speaker 1: brand new quarterback. I don't feel great about that, But
Speaker 1: so is that the team of those three that you
Speaker 1: feel best about. I feel pretty good about Penn State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I do, And if I'm ranking them in order,
Speaker 1: I probably go Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan.
Speaker 2: You're not a Kade McNamara. I know it's but I
Speaker 2: like cawde and or JJ McCarthy and becoming five star freshmen.
Speaker 1: Not yet, Okay, that could change by week one.
Speaker 2: But and you don't think Jack Cone can lead Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I don't know what their schedule looks like to a
Speaker 2: high ranking, a playoff ish ranking.
Speaker 1: All right, let me pull this up. Rose bull Cone,
Speaker 1: Rose king Cone, King Cone. King Cone is the official Moniker. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling this up. My gut reaction was, there's no
Speaker 1: way but road tilt against Florida State, Toledo, Perdue, Wisconsin. Okay,
Speaker 1: some crossover Cincinnati and Virginia Tech, USC North Carolina, Navy,
Speaker 1: Virginia Georg. Oh my god, they could go. They could
Speaker 1: go twelve to zero. With this man, you are going
Speaker 1: to make a fool out of me here. You're going
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I might have to. I didn't realize the
Speaker 1: schedule looked like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who are the likeliest losses for Notre Dame on
Speaker 2: that schedule?
Speaker 1: Cincy? That's market Freeman. He knows that team. USC. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I answer USC twice? I don't. North Carolina lost
Speaker 1: everybody with the exception of Seam Howell. Yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: sort of in rebuilding mode. The defense actually has interesting
Speaker 1: pieces though it does. But this this feels like easily
Speaker 1: a ten and two season for note rightwause they do
Speaker 1: bring a lot back. Yeah. Man, fine, I'll go Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Why do you seven? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do we only have one left for round matchup?
Speaker 1: We've got a two verses fifteen here. Oh and then
Speaker 1: we also have six eleven and we have six eleven,
Speaker 1: So let's do six? Will go? Next six to eleven?
Speaker 2: Next six total years of Lane kiff and in Oxford, Mississippi.
Speaker 2: So he needs five more twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty four, or twenty five. You'll give him six total
Speaker 2: years or eleven combined wins in the next two years
Speaker 2: in Knoxville.
Speaker 1: In Knoxville, not.
Speaker 2: For Lane Kiffen for Tennessee and overall, not just home games.
Speaker 2: A six winner and a five winner on average, Tennessee
Speaker 2: can win seven this year. It's likely that they're going
Speaker 2: to hit or eclipse that number.
Speaker 1: I don't think Lane Kiffin's going to stay at Old
Speaker 1: Miss for six years? What's the job though? I don't know.
Speaker 1: You think he's getting fired for some sort of No,
Speaker 1: I think acties. I think he step up for Lane?
Speaker 2: What school hires him? What school wants all the good,
Speaker 2: bad and weird of Lane Kiffin? What's that jump up
Speaker 2: from Ole Miss Florida?
Speaker 1: Damn, Allen's going to be around at Florida. He'sami Florida State.
Speaker 1: Oh man, maybe it might be the NFL, could be
Speaker 1: the NFL. I just don't see him staying for six
Speaker 1: years at Old Miss. And I like the Old Miss job.
Speaker 1: He obviously does. He m he had his pick of
Speaker 1: the proverbial litter there, but probably not Saban retirement Bama.
Speaker 1: I don't see them going to Do you think they
Speaker 1: would give Lene a look? No? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: not the way things ended, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would do that, So.
Speaker 2: I think they're probably I think they might go as
Speaker 2: far as letting Nick Saban have that voice in that
Speaker 2: conversation if he wants it.
Speaker 1: I think I gotta go. I think I gotta go
Speaker 1: with Tennessee being Tennessee wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we need like a if things are rough
Speaker 2: because of how thin the roster is, we need to
Speaker 2: hit five or four or five this year, which is
Speaker 2: a tough ask.
Speaker 1: That's a thin roster right now. Yeah, but you could,
Speaker 1: you could cobble together. You could go very easily four
Speaker 1: wins this year in seven next year. Are you do?
Speaker 1: You have the schedule in front of you and yours
Speaker 1: Tennessee football schedule. They could win four games this year, though,
Speaker 1: couldn't they Bowling Green who just lost Brian van Gorder
Speaker 1: like the.
Speaker 2: Night before spring right right, So that's additioned by a
Speaker 2: subtraction to me, pitt uh TNTC.
Speaker 1: Is that Tennessee Tech? Is that Tennessee Tech the Golden Eagles? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they call it. They have Southma, they have Vandy on here.
Speaker 1: They could win easily three four, So I think I
Speaker 1: think five is likely. They're at least going to win
Speaker 1: one more. Five is likely. Yeah, and they and if
Speaker 1: we're assuming the best, they would improve upon that mark
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I'm looking at the schedule now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Ball State, Pit, Army, U T. Martin. But
Speaker 1: just penciling in Pitt as a loss to Tennessee. No,
Speaker 1: I'm penciling in as a win. No, I'm saying you're
Speaker 1: saying Pitt. You're penciling as a loss. Pitt is losing
Speaker 1: to Tennessee in this game. I am yeah, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think I think I go Tennessee here. There's just
Speaker 1: there's no chancelling staying there for six years. Give me
Speaker 1: the next matchup in the second round. Well, we have
Speaker 1: do the two and fifteen yet, don't we oh two fifteen?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Here we go? Two regular season wins over
Speaker 1: Oklahoma schools by Texas. Texas plays both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: Actually I think it's in consecutive weeks. The Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: game is in Austin, and as we all know, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: whatever your preference, as it is every year in Dallas.
Speaker 1: You're saying they beat both Oklahoma schools.
Speaker 2: Yes, regular season, So any potential rematch in a conference
Speaker 2: championship game does not count. Regular season?
Speaker 1: Oh, okay or or fifteen total games played by Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: So they could lose to Texas hypothetically in this scenario
Speaker 1: and still play fifteen games to go, you know, eleven
Speaker 1: to one when the conference championship game end up in
Speaker 1: the playoff, win a game, go to the national championship game.
Speaker 1: So this means it's just games played. It's essentially saying
Speaker 1: Oklahoma National Championship game birth or Texas beating Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State in consecutive weeks. Wow, I don't think, man,
Speaker 1: that's tough. I don't think Texas is going to and
Speaker 1: zero Okay and beating both the Oklahoma schools during the
Speaker 1: regular season, and I feel Oklahoma. I feel more strongly
Speaker 1: about that then I do Oklahoma's prospects of making the
Speaker 1: national Championship game because still Spencer Rattler back start a
Speaker 1: lot of younger guys last year.
Speaker 2: Sure lost their best defensive player in Ronnie Perkins, though
Speaker 2: terror on the edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't play defense anyway. What differences is Oh,
Speaker 1: that's not true at all. What difference does it make?
Speaker 1: That's not true at all. This is an improved defense, sure,
Speaker 1: sure it is. I'll go Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Here for the record, I think you're wrong about the
Speaker 2: Oklahoma defense. So this what you're saying, though, is also
Speaker 2: Oklahoma can max lose one game in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 2: and Oklahoma will beat some combination, not some combination, but
Speaker 2: one of these schools. They'll beat Ohio State, they'll beat Clemson,
Speaker 2: they'll beat Alabama, they'll beat whoever may come out of
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve unscathed throughout eleven and one twelve one.
Speaker 2: They'll beat Georgia, they'll beat I don't Notre Dame. There'll
Speaker 2: be one of those types of schools in late December,
Speaker 2: early January, Texas, A and M.
Speaker 1: I still think that's more likely than Texas going to
Speaker 1: and oh LSU because they got the offense. You know
Speaker 1: they're gonna two games, it's all it takes. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Texas hasn't beaten both them.
Speaker 2: No chance they were an overtime or however many overtimes
Speaker 2: against Oklahoma last year, and I believe that didn they
Speaker 2: bleat Oklahoma State. Yeah, not crazy overtime game, sure, I
Speaker 2: just I don't see any chance. Okay, no chance, no chance,
Speaker 2: two games, No chance they'll be in a rhythm by then.
Speaker 2: It's October, October, October, thank you, Yes, Texas did indeed
Speaker 2: beat Oklahoma State in overtime last year.
Speaker 1: It was a a crazy game, all right. So let's
Speaker 1: go back through then and let's do it. Round two.
Speaker 1: You got we've got the sixteen or sixteen or more
Speaker 1: long scrimmage plays allowed by Clemson. Yep versus nine plus
Speaker 1: win Duke Accus Tech, give it to me. I think
Speaker 1: I go Duke Acuse Tech.
Speaker 2: So now you think this is less likely you're you're
Speaker 2: taking the bites off the apple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Duke Accuse Tech. Three three teams combined,
Speaker 1: giving me a chance to get to nine or more wins. Okay, next, next,
Speaker 1: we've got the fighting corn boilers thirteen combined wins makes
Speaker 1: me giggle. Yep versus Georgia twelve wins, fighting corn boilers
Speaker 1: thirteen combined wins. I think I go george corn Boilers.
Speaker 1: Which of those those boiler of boilers of corn that fights?
Speaker 1: Which Which of those do you feel is going to
Speaker 1: be pulling their own weight the most? Pulling their own
Speaker 1: weight the most? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, is Illinois really carrying perdue in Nebraska?
Speaker 1: Tosa? Probably the unforeseen thirteen.
Speaker 2: And going to come up with something Nebraska's shoulder in
Speaker 2: the load.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. Okay, because look, Nebraska and Purdue they
Speaker 1: could each get five wins. Illinois got to get three.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they still hit that. So yeah, corn
Speaker 1: Boilers right here.
Speaker 2: Corn Boilers over Georgia and high success level. Okay, next item.
Speaker 1: We've got three straight pack twelve titles for Oregon versus
Speaker 1: eleven combined wins in next two years in Knoxville.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this it's requiring what is what is the
Speaker 2: easier path searching out and finding those eleven wins in
Speaker 2: two years? You can go five and seven, six and six,
Speaker 2: you hit it. You can be unexceptional and win this matchup,
Speaker 2: or you have to be at least good if you're
Speaker 2: Oregon to hit this one. So basically, what I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: are you betting on the shine of mediocrity or.
Speaker 1: Positivity? The attraction of positivity? Hm? Wow, I'm going eleven
Speaker 1: combined wins? Eleven combined wins? Okay, you're going with the
Speaker 1: high floor rather than the low bar. That's correct. Okay.
Speaker 1: Next matchup? Oh god, this one Oklahoma with fifteen games
Speaker 1: played versus Notre Dame rest Championship, Notre Dame playoff or
Speaker 1: playoff A J oh god, I hate this one. It's
Speaker 1: got to be Notre Dame. It's it has to be
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: It has to be Notre Dame. So Oklahoma one of,
Speaker 2: if not the only. I'm trying to think, like, depending
Speaker 2: on how you classify Georgia, but certainly JD. Daniels didn't
Speaker 2: start the season, Oklahoma is either the only or if
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting somebody to bring back their starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's right, that's right. So that sort of
Speaker 1: continuity is really attractive. See. No, you don't break through
Speaker 1: until you do. This is why this is bull You're
Speaker 1: arguing both sides of the coin here. You're doing this
Speaker 1: to me on purpose. Yeah, of course, continue. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to give you my viewpoint trying to give you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to arm you with all of the possible
Speaker 1: context and information. Knowledge is power, Okay, yep, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go Notre Dame. I don't know what do you think.
Speaker 2: If I'm deciding between Jack Cone Notre Dame winning likely
Speaker 2: eleven plus or Oklahoma realistically going thirteen and one to
Speaker 2: reach game number fifteen, that a blemish won't affect their
Speaker 2: title run. But to say that they're going to be
Speaker 2: fourteen and h is probably a lot considering that they're
Speaker 2: not a complete team right now.
Speaker 1: So you go Notre Dame too. I think I'm going
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I think it's really hard to do what I'm asking
Speaker 2: Oklahoma to do now. They're a playoff team and Notre
Speaker 2: Dame has been a top seven team, what two of
Speaker 2: the last three years, to last four years, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: so Notre Dame's barrier to entry. I'm looking up their
Speaker 2: schedule right now because I didn't have it when you
Speaker 2: said Cincinnati and USC were the toughest two.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati USC there's a game against Virginia Tech, I think
Speaker 1: on the road. That doesn't bother me that much. Where
Speaker 1: Wisconsin game. There's a Wisconsin game, the USC games at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got a Wisconsin game against a legitimately
Speaker 2: very very good defensive coordinator who knows in some form
Speaker 2: Jack Cone.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We like Jim Leonard. We think he's a promising there.
Speaker 2: He's a young defense wearing but really good. So we
Speaker 2: have Jim Leonard Wisconsin defense. We have non Marcus Freeman
Speaker 2: Cincinnati defense. We've got pretty good but definitely talented USC
Speaker 2: defense with a really good quarterback, and that game is
Speaker 2: in South Bend. We've got Sam Howell, who struggled with
Speaker 2: more talent last year, to consistently move the ball and
Speaker 2: score touchdowns against Notre Dame. We have a Notre Dame
Speaker 2: team with their own new defensive coordinator. Mind you, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how much Stanford scares you. Virginia at
Speaker 2: this point, Navy. Navy's an interesting maybe let down look
Speaker 2: ahead sandwich, I guess. But yeah, the back half of
Speaker 2: their schedule seems fine, but you know that's not an
Speaker 2: amazing middle season stretch of Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Virginia Tech on
Speaker 2: the road USC North Carolina. Now four of the five
Speaker 2: of those are at home, unless there are some neutral
Speaker 2: site that I'm not seeing. So I don't love tough
Speaker 2: five game stretches. But even still, there's no that the
Speaker 2: loss isn't obvious unless you're a big believer in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not obvious. I hate that. I hate
Speaker 1: that you put me in this situation, but the answer
Speaker 1: is probably Notre Dame. It's got to be Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: The down still down. Florida State, Cincinnati replacing key guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're down to the semifinals here. Okay, what's
Speaker 1: the matchup? Nine plus win Duke Accuse Tech versus thirteen
Speaker 1: combined wins for the fighting corn boilers.
Speaker 2: That came together nicely. It's almost used the apple biting.
Speaker 1: No, no, we've got three bites of the apple in
Speaker 1: both cases. I think I go nine win, nine plus
Speaker 1: win Duke Accuse Tech. It's a low bar, lower bar
Speaker 1: to clear. Yeah, I think that's the answer here.
Speaker 2: But I think the the competence quotion is probably higher
Speaker 2: with Nebraska and Purdue. I don't think Duke is trending
Speaker 2: in the right way. The Syracuse offense is such a
Speaker 2: mess still, and Georgia Tech is just a propensity to
Speaker 2: let the bottom fall out, even with their you know,
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Jamior Gibbs. But okay,
Speaker 2: you're going with that nine win.
Speaker 1: Ducuse Tech lower bar three wins apiece. Okay. And if
Speaker 1: you get a school like a Georgia Tech that you
Speaker 1: know plays hard, has played hard, really hard the last
Speaker 1: two years, m hm, they get bull eligible, it's a
Speaker 1: near certainty that you're going to hit. Okay, Duke Accuse
Speaker 1: Tech through to the finals, Dan through to the finals.
Speaker 1: Duke Acuse Tech second matchup here, yep, eleven combide wins.
Speaker 1: Next two years in Knoxville or Notre Dame ranks seventh
Speaker 1: or higher.
Speaker 2: So once again, it's excellence versus mediocrity. Eleven combined wins.
Speaker 1: You get to pick this one. Don't make me do this.
Speaker 2: Because does Tennessee's non conference twenty twenty two schedule exist online?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Who is it?
Speaker 1: Ball State, Pit Army, UT Martin. So even if you
Speaker 1: want to play it super conservatively, that's three wins. What
Speaker 1: it's three wins? Is not a Tennessee team that just
Speaker 1: lost to the Panthers of Georgia State. I'm assuming the
Speaker 1: best here. Okay, forgive me. They shouldn't lose I just
Speaker 1: whistled they shouldn't lose the Ball State Army or UT Martin.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't lose the Pit either, but they could.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, shouldn't lose to Pitt. Pitt's been fine.
Speaker 2: They've been a five hundred program.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if not better worst case scenario, it's a
Speaker 1: three win non conference slate for them. Okay, Army Army
Speaker 1: has been pretty decent. They're not. Okay, can you please
Speaker 1: answer the question, Dan, so, am I taking the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame or I'm going Tennessee? I think I think Tennessee's
Speaker 1: the answer here. I'm going Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I think it's tough for teams without the upper upper
Speaker 2: upper level of talent and depth thereof to go to
Speaker 2: the playoff and back to back seasons.
Speaker 1: So I think Notre Dame will go ten and two
Speaker 1: with that schedule and missed the playoff. So that brings
Speaker 1: us to our final. Although they could go they could
Speaker 1: finish number seven in the country at tenant too, which
Speaker 1: is all I'm asking here. This brings us to our final. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got nine plus wins, excessive mediocrity. Yeah, Duke accues
Speaker 1: Tech with nine plus wins or eleven or more wins
Speaker 1: in Knoxville over the next two years. Dan, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is tough. I still extreme difficult Tech.
Speaker 2: Duke accuse Tech because of the four non conference games
Speaker 2: they play. What if I were to say, it's only
Speaker 2: and I don't know if you have all three schedules
Speaker 2: in front of you, only FBS games count, so you
Speaker 2: have to take away.
Speaker 1: All you can't change the rules. Now, Well, I'm just
Speaker 1: asking it's just a wrinkle, that's that's no. I would
Speaker 1: probably go no. I would probably say no if you
Speaker 1: have to take off FCS matchups. No, I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: as good about that. But you know, Duke did not
Speaker 1: have a good year last year. He did not have
Speaker 1: a RIP year last year. But they play North Carolina
Speaker 1: A and T in Kansas this season. Those should both
Speaker 1: be w's. Then we move over, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: finish this. Then we move over to Syracuse, who also
Speaker 1: did not have a great year last year. But again
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule, they've got a game against Ohio
Speaker 1: and the Albany Great Danes. So we're not counting that though. No,
Speaker 1: we still are counting that. You can't change the rules
Speaker 1: on me. Yeah, that's two more wins. And then we
Speaker 1: go over to Georgia Tech. And I like Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech is building under Jeff Collins or I think
Speaker 1: playing hard week in and week out. They've got games
Speaker 1: here against Northern Illinois, Kanesaus State, they play Duke, who
Speaker 1: they should be able to beat. I mean, it's not obvious, Okay.
Speaker 2: So here's what you do need. This is added context.
Speaker 2: If I may it's not obvious. Oh no, twenty twenty
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, these three teams added up to five wins.
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, the added up to seven wins.
Speaker 1: You scoundrel. This is tough. This is I think I
Speaker 1: assume too much. But I'm still going Duke a QS
Speaker 1: Tech in I am still going Duke que Tech.
Speaker 2: By the way, that was I was using ACC Conference
Speaker 2: games to get those numbers. If you want the full
Speaker 2: I should have been obviously my question. I wasn't, so
Speaker 2: I'm giving it to you. So it's three, five and five.
Speaker 2: So it was thirteen two years ago. Okay, okay, If
Speaker 2: that makes you feel any better, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I feel better. No, okay, I still go Duke Accuse
Speaker 1: Tech here.
Speaker 2: If I made it ACC games only, would that change anything? Yes,
Speaker 2: So you would go Tennessee to hit eleven overall the
Speaker 2: next two years before you would take ACC wins between Duke,
Speaker 2: Syracuse and Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: To equal nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was six overall last year between those three.
Speaker 2: I think Syracuse won and ten Duke to a nine
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech three.
Speaker 1: I think I go Tennessee in that case, I think I'd.
Speaker 2: Have to Tennessee's eleven over Duke Accuse Tech's nine ACC wins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Okay, so Tennessee eleven
Speaker 1: wins is overall your champion. No, Duke acus Tech is
Speaker 1: still much Duke acus Tech is your overall champion unless
Speaker 1: ACC games are used. Yeah, Duke Accus Tech, what an
Speaker 1: unexpected What are they a nine seed? Yeah? Because it's nine.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't see it anything.
Speaker 2: But okay, so the nine win Duke acus Tech is
Speaker 2: your We have no name for this game our item bracket.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Wow, I did not expect that from making this bracket.
Speaker 2: I definitely didn't. Yeah, I actually expected.
Speaker 1: This is the most love of Duke acus Tech is
Speaker 1: going to get all year. Oh man, we need to
Speaker 1: keep track of this somewhat. I'll keep this document. I'll
Speaker 1: create a Google doc so we can track it over
Speaker 1: the course of the year. All right, I have it.
Speaker 1: I have see what I nailed thing, and maybe somebody
Speaker 1: out on the Patreon can help us out as well.
Speaker 1: First dot com.
Speaker 2: But uh also I want to know what anybody Patreon
Speaker 2: non Patreon, who they have winning and where we really
Speaker 2: messed up our bracket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where they have who they have winning? This bracket
Speaker 1: and who they have winning the actual bracket too. Oh,
Speaker 1: are we doing that? I don't know if we're doing it,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to know what I'm missing and like
Speaker 1: who the sleepers are, because generally what I'll do I
Speaker 1: don't usually watch a lot of college basketball because it's
Speaker 1: not that I have anything against it, but by the
Speaker 1: time basketball season rolls around, I'm just looking for like
Speaker 1: sports detox for a couple months after what we do
Speaker 1: throughout the fall and into January. It's not really what
Speaker 1: you've been watching just watching Netflix. Man, tell me what
Speaker 1: you've been watching and watching this marriage or mortgage show?
Speaker 1: Did you yet?
Speaker 2: I watched twenty minutes of it, Jody, and I was
Speaker 2: watching it while feeding the little guy. Yeah, it's incredible, frustrating.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have an opinion about it.
Speaker 2: It's so the concept marriage or mortgage is you have
Speaker 2: a certain amount of money to either spend on a
Speaker 2: down payment for a house or the house itself I
Speaker 2: don't even know, yeah, or for the for like a
Speaker 2: super nice wedding.
Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, And then what they do is they
Speaker 1: try to sweeten the post a little bit. So is
Speaker 1: it a full house or is it a mortgage or
Speaker 1: or is it a down payment? It's well they're saying,
Speaker 1: we have X amount of money to use on a
Speaker 1: down payment, got on a wedding, and then it's it's
Speaker 1: very much a love it or leave it type show
Speaker 1: if you've loved or listed excuse me if you've seen
Speaker 1: some of the old shows. And I forget what network
Speaker 1: that was, but HGTV something like that. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: instead the spin off is you can either devote that
Speaker 1: money to your wedding where they're going to jump in,
Speaker 1: they're going to get you a great deal with all
Speaker 1: sorts of perks a wedding or your dreams, or they're
Speaker 1: going to get you a nice deal on a house
Speaker 1: where you know the owners or the builders provide some
Speaker 1: concessions too. What's frustrating about it?
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good I mean, I think
Speaker 2: it's always obvious to me that you should spend money
Speaker 2: on something you're going to be using for decades rather
Speaker 2: than a single day. But I understand having a nice wedding,
Speaker 2: So what is frustrating to about it?
Speaker 1: What's frustrating to me is that, and keep in mind,
Speaker 1: I come from like both sides of our family are
Speaker 1: very traditional, right, so the prospect of like buying a
Speaker 1: house before marriage is not really something that was much considered.
Speaker 1: But it's just so obvious when you're looking at these
Speaker 1: two like maybe in hindsight, well they're engaged, right, they're engaged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, out of bounds to say we should look
Speaker 1: for a house. In hindsight, I'm looking at these selections
Speaker 1: and I'm screaming at the television at eleven thirty at night.
Speaker 1: Take the house, Take the house, Take the They take
Speaker 1: the wedding, they take the What is the rationale of
Speaker 1: the people who take the wedding? They just they're just wowed.
Speaker 1: They're just wowed. Yeah, oh they got us the troths seduced.
Speaker 1: Oh I did see that was when I saw I
Speaker 1: think in Nashville. Yeah, who cares about the trolley, it's
Speaker 1: probably cold. Just take the damn house.
Speaker 2: What and be careful what you say? What percentage would
Speaker 2: you now in retrospect, cut your wedding by financially if
Speaker 2: you could put it to your mortgage?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean we've talked about this, okay, and I
Speaker 1: talked about this while watching the show. What was your total?
Speaker 1: What was your total attendee list numbers. I don't like
Speaker 1: two hundred. It wasn't that many. Now I forget the four.
Speaker 1: What would your new number be? Knowing that you could,
Speaker 1: you know, book a smaller venue and order less food
Speaker 1: and rent fewer chairs, all that kind of stuff. We've
Speaker 1: we've had the conversation before, where you a sixty person wedding.
Speaker 1: If we'd do it all over again, we'd get it
Speaker 1: done at the courthouse and then throw a party in
Speaker 1: the backyard. It's so obvious. It is obvious, but it's
Speaker 1: less frustration. How many people could you invite to your backyard?
Speaker 1: Though every lister of this show could probably No, you
Speaker 1: have a big yard, we get it, no idea, okay,
Speaker 1: but at least the number of people who came to
Speaker 1: the wedding. Okay. Wow.
Speaker 2: By the way, I have noticed, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a specific reason for this, Maybe it's just
Speaker 2: because there's fewer episodes. Have you noticed that Netflix reality
Speaker 2: shows have way better production value than your typical cable No, it's.
Speaker 1: Not a reality show, it's not even all They all
Speaker 1: include My favorite, my favorite tell for all Netflix shows
Speaker 1: is duct and value wise, Yeah, they've got the production
Speaker 1: value it's it's way higher. But they've all got the
Speaker 1: dramatic drone shot at some point, all featured the dramatic
Speaker 1: drone shot. Yep, every sun seton over Hollywood, every Netflix
Speaker 1: show has that interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm watching Dog Day Afternoon. I'm just going through,
Speaker 2: like I don't have time to sit down and watch
Speaker 2: an actual long movie because I am, you know, two
Speaker 2: little guys, and now I'm also tired all the time,
Speaker 2: so I don't have to like two and a half
Speaker 2: hours to sit down and watch a nineteen seventy six
Speaker 2: al Pacino movie. But I am almost done with Dog
Speaker 2: Day Afternoon and it is great.
Speaker 1: Have you seen it?
Speaker 2: No, who's in that's it's al Pacino. There's not that
Speaker 2: many other famous people in. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: the people in it. I know the guy who plays Sam,
Speaker 2: his accomplished, his accomplice. Excuse me, it's Sonny and Sam.
Speaker 2: He's fan because he played Fredo I believe in The Godfather.
Speaker 2: Now I'm forgetting his name. But I'm trying to go
Speaker 2: through like classic, amazing movies that I haven't seen that
Speaker 2: I can just sort of pick up and watch thirty
Speaker 2: eight minutes of at a time, so it's fantastic. It's
Speaker 2: really really John Kazzali. Kazali plays the side and he
Speaker 2: was also Fredo and The Godfather Charles Derning. Believe it's
Speaker 2: I know it's Sidney Lumette is the director, all time director,
Speaker 2: but al Pacino and al Pacino's hair it's a sensations.
Speaker 2: He has like sweaty summer in Brooklyn hair but a
Speaker 2: giant mop at the same time. And it's an all
Speaker 2: time hair performance from al Pachiaz.
Speaker 1: Hair hero, okay, an absolute hair hero. So I'm watching
Speaker 1: that right now. I haven't been watching any other I
Speaker 1: watched loopin, Loopin, Okay, that was pretty decent on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Something consistent in my life, by the way, is anytime
Speaker 2: I want to know what's good to watch, ask your
Speaker 2: single or friends without children, and they'll be like, what
Speaker 2: are you looking for? Yeah, I have forty seven recommendations
Speaker 2: and I have no time to watch anything.
Speaker 1: Well, look on that note, so savor it. On that note.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about the Patreon for Ballers dot com.
Speaker 1: This is that week where we do it off topic
Speaker 1: show and oh though we haven't I guess come to
Speaker 1: agreement on what the topic's going to be. I do
Speaker 1: know that one we had in the in the clip
Speaker 1: that we didn't use last time, Whoever was like childhood movies,
Speaker 1: So right, the Mighty Ducks the Sandlot doesn't just have
Speaker 1: to be sports, but the influence that some of those
Speaker 1: movies had in our lives growing up. I think that
Speaker 1: would be a fun show to do.
Speaker 2: So do you want to limit it? Do you want
Speaker 2: to sort of narrow the scope to nineties kids sports movies?
Speaker 1: I could do that.
Speaker 2: Or do you want it to just be nineties kids movies?
Speaker 2: Or do you want it to be like Puberty Awakening nineties.
Speaker 1: But not anything pornographic? Right?
Speaker 2: Just Tie being sleazy adjacent? No, I mean it could be.
Speaker 1: Dan being sleezy jacent for what it's worthing.
Speaker 2: I have all the texts from you that I could
Speaker 2: just read out. Sure, I think we do nineties kids
Speaker 2: sports movie, nineties kids sports movie, and I think we
Speaker 2: bring on I'll see if Bill's around, Okay, we'll find
Speaker 2: somebody to come on with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill or somebody. I love Bill so much. Though,
Speaker 1: the deal with the deal with the off topic show again,
Speaker 1: it's only available to Patreon subscribers going out to Verballers
Speaker 1: Dot com for more information. The last one we did
Speaker 1: is also available still for Patreon subscribers, and that was
Speaker 1: youth sports. We talked through this sort of a continuation
Speaker 1: then kinda yeah, it feels like a natural offshoot. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about ninety sports movies for kids on
Speaker 1: the show that's going to drop on Friday. For our
Speaker 1: Patreon subscribers, verballers.
Speaker 2: Dot com, done, lock it in, give us suggestions and
Speaker 2: give us your takes.
Speaker 1: Soliverbletgmail dot com. You can also hit us up on
Speaker 1: the soliverrable discord if you are part of that Patreon
Speaker 1: community and let us know your thoughts on social media.
Speaker 1: As always, for that guy over there, my good friend
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hilden Brand, we will talk
Speaker 1: to you all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay soler, peace,