Speaker 1: Before listening, ask a doctor if your heart is healthy
Speaker 1: enough for Dallas Cowboys football. He's hanging with the boys,
Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and
Speaker 1: Shannon Gross Monday at the Star. We have one hell
Speaker 1: of a show today. We are joined right now by
Speaker 1: Brian brought us. We're gonna talk a little combine and
Speaker 1: then in a little bit where you're gonna have the
Speaker 1: original eighty eight. Drew Pearson's gonna join the show. Kurt
Speaker 1: is on site with him conducting an interview that or something.
Speaker 1: We'll find out what that's about, and they will be
Speaker 1: here probably fifteen or twenty minutes. What's going on with this,
Speaker 1: Mike Douglas, That's a good question. I'm watching it. I'm
Speaker 1: watching the board mover around mysteriously on the game. Are
Speaker 1: you there here? Hello? Okay, I'll just keep going. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens here about me? You got me here?
Speaker 1: Can I do here? What about Nate? Is Nate here? Okay?
Speaker 1: Talking today? Are you there? N talking? What happened? I
Speaker 1: was talking? I was talking? He wasn't talking? Oh man,
Speaker 1: braun As. How was the trip you just got back? Right?
Speaker 1: It was good? Yeah, we got back yesterday. The we'd
Speaker 1: stay through. I was telling you guys, we'd stay through
Speaker 1: if they let us. Uh, the NFL kicks us out
Speaker 1: Saturday night. We did our draft shows all on all
Speaker 1: last week and then uh yeah, we'd hang in there,
Speaker 1: but they say, you know, you need to go somewhere else,
Speaker 1: so they send us on home. But it's good to
Speaker 1: be back. Um, when'd you guys go up? We went
Speaker 1: last Tuesday, had a lot of content, got ahold of
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, kind of ran some things down about him
Speaker 1: and some situations with him and does then we got
Speaker 1: Jerry at the end of the week. Had some good
Speaker 1: stories in between, some evaluations and stuff up. It was
Speaker 1: pretty good week for Scottboys dot Com. And hope everybody
Speaker 1: went back and kind of checked out the stuff that
Speaker 1: we were doing. Yeah, you guys did a hell of
Speaker 1: a job. Thank you, congratulations on that. Thank you appreciate that. Awesome.
Speaker 1: So I know, uh wow, I know Nate's gonna have
Speaker 1: a ton of questions for you, and I hope they're good.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, always good. I know, I know if
Speaker 1: he asked me if this is the question I'll get.
Speaker 1: He wants to know who you who? You got us?
Speaker 1: Take it at nineteen? No, No, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm a word about it. What's the question I do
Speaker 1: not want to hear today? Uh, I'll just put it
Speaker 1: like this. If you ask them about a guy that's
Speaker 1: that that place that's running, and he say, does does
Speaker 1: he look good? Brod's gonna get mad at you because
Speaker 1: they all look good in panties? I mean he's short. No,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. An, No, that's who look good? They're
Speaker 1: all good. If you if you come and you go,
Speaker 1: who look good? That's a lazy question. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's a lazy question. What about who surprised you? That's
Speaker 1: even better. That's a better question because and and that's
Speaker 1: and that's the angle you need to take about this
Speaker 1: and again and I'm not trying to be a jerk.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you get that question, you go it
Speaker 1: could and you know what I could do. I could
Speaker 1: ruin your show. I could start at player one, you
Speaker 1: go all the way down to three twenty five if
Speaker 1: that's in there. Yeah, oh yeah, I could go through him.
Speaker 1: I go through them all But what we got to
Speaker 1: remember about the combine, the most important thing is the
Speaker 1: medical stuff, you know, and this week we learned at
Speaker 1: a potential first round pick, Maurice Hurst, the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: from Michigan, has a heart condition and I was told
Speaker 1: it's very similar to what Hank Gathers had, who was
Speaker 1: at Loyo the Merrymouth that passed away. So he's going
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Clinic. That's one of the world renown
Speaker 1: hospitals for heart patients and stuff. So we'll see. The
Speaker 1: doctors are going to tell him he could either play
Speaker 1: or he can't play. There's no in between. I know
Speaker 1: this morning on the mail bag, people are asking us, well,
Speaker 1: could you take him in the fifth round. No, he's
Speaker 1: either got a heart that can play or a heart
Speaker 1: that can't play. Wow. So that's where we are. But
Speaker 1: that was a potential first round player that was you know,
Speaker 1: was knocked out because of the medical Maybe there'll be
Speaker 1: some other ones down the road. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's big because a lot of people that had Maurice
Speaker 1: Hurst defensive tackle mock to the Cowboys at eighteen. That's
Speaker 1: when you guys kind of make fun of me who
Speaker 1: they're gonna take at eighteen if I said Maurice Hurst,
Speaker 1: maybe not Maurice Hurst. Now, so yeah, it's but it's
Speaker 1: a it's unfortunate. It's good to see these guys run around.
Speaker 1: But the thing to me is the most important thing
Speaker 1: is the film. Okay, we saw Barkley, the running back
Speaker 1: from Penn State, have an incredible workout. You see that
Speaker 1: type of workout on tape. Now there's some guys here that,
Speaker 1: like I say, they will work out that didn't work
Speaker 1: out as good, but their tape is much better. That's
Speaker 1: that's where you have to That's where I think you
Speaker 1: have to be careful about the combine. The kid Griffin
Speaker 1: from from UCF from Central Florida, Chakeem Griffin, who is
Speaker 1: a linebacker. He's got the handicap he has one hand.
Speaker 1: It was a birth defect, you know. And so now
Speaker 1: you know he's gone from being like a guy that
Speaker 1: we all talk about out as a third round player,
Speaker 1: fourth round player, to people saying, hey, Brian, can you
Speaker 1: take him at nineteen because of the workout. You love
Speaker 1: the intangibles, you love the workout. The tape is good,
Speaker 1: but you have to figure out what you would do
Speaker 1: with a six foot two hundred and twenty seven pound
Speaker 1: linebacker that might not be a starter. You can't take
Speaker 1: a guy like that in the first round. You can't. Now,
Speaker 1: you could take it out depending on what position he
Speaker 1: plays as a will linebacker, that's his best position. You
Speaker 1: have one of the better will linebackers in the league
Speaker 1: playing for you right now. You can't say, well, hey,
Speaker 1: let's move him to Sam. Hey let's move him to mic.
Speaker 1: That's not this guy's thing. So you have to be careful,
Speaker 1: make sure the tape matches what you're seeing in the workout,
Speaker 1: and then and then be able to kind of adjust
Speaker 1: the guys from there. I'm on with you one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 1: I used an analogy while talking to him this morning.
Speaker 1: Nate Newton will not work out well. Nate Newton on
Speaker 1: the underwear Olympics will not work out well. But Nate
Speaker 1: Newton on tape will impress you. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: That's where I think you have to You know, Orlando
Speaker 1: Brown University of Oklahoma tackle terrible workout, But if you
Speaker 1: watch the tape, it's a lot different to how he plays.
Speaker 1: He does play with power, he does play with some mobility.
Speaker 1: He's got a little lateral slide to him. But you
Speaker 1: watch him go through the drills, he's got awful. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, that's a great point. How how
Speaker 1: much is this just for show and just getting to
Speaker 1: see the guys in person and interview, and how much
Speaker 1: because it is guy can play, he can play, He
Speaker 1: could play, he could play. Yeah, And that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it is you've got a lot of guys. I'll
Speaker 1: give another example of guy. There's a guy named Dylan Cantrell.
Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver from from Texas Tech. I haven't
Speaker 1: studied Daling Cantrell. Dylan Cantrell is sixty three, two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six pounds. He runs right about a four
Speaker 1: to five nine, which under wide receiver things would be
Speaker 1: you know that that's slow, that's not good. But then
Speaker 1: you look at the other measurable parts of him though.
Speaker 1: His vertical jumps thirty eight and a half ten ten
Speaker 1: on the broad jump six five six, and the three
Speaker 1: cone drill is outstanding four h three in the short
Speaker 1: shuttle is rare for a wide receiver that tall and
Speaker 1: is sixty shuttle is ten eight five, which is another
Speaker 1: rare thing. Okay, if you watched, if you if you
Speaker 1: didn't know, if you just said Dylan Cantrell runs a
Speaker 1: four or five nine, you would say, okay, we got
Speaker 1: to move on. But then you got the other things.
Speaker 1: What this combine will do. It will make you go
Speaker 1: back and watch guys. It'll make you go back and say,
Speaker 1: why did I not have where? What did I not see?
Speaker 1: I see the lateral I see the lateral quickness, I
Speaker 1: see the ability to burst the explosive. Does the tape
Speaker 1: show me that? That's where the combine could be very useful.
Speaker 1: I talked about the medical stuff being verily important because
Speaker 1: now we learned that Maurice Hurst has a threatening heart condition.
Speaker 1: Well but now, but also though I've had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to interview some guys too, I've sat down and talk
Speaker 1: to I think the medical and the interviews, and then
Speaker 1: what the little bit numbers some of these guys, as
Speaker 1: we don't have accurate heights and weights on. Now we
Speaker 1: have accurate heights and weights, and now we have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a time with some speed. If you
Speaker 1: really like a guy, I'm gonna go to Florida A
Speaker 1: and M and work Nate Newton out. If his his
Speaker 1: workout might be bad you know it might be bad,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching Nate Newton the player, and I'm going nah,
Speaker 1: nah nah no, this guy's he's no. The tape's better,
Speaker 1: tapes better on this guy. So I'm gonna make my way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna went my way down there to Florida and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work him out and I'm gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: my eyes are right. He's a good football player. I
Speaker 1: don't need to let the I don't let the times
Speaker 1: affect how I'm going to see him as a player
Speaker 1: and see that. That that's why to us, to us
Speaker 1: it's a dog and pony show, but to the train
Speaker 1: and it's a professional, it's not. Yeah, And that's why
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I'm not saying a lot because
Speaker 1: you're asking on the right questions. You are, that's right questions.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm sitting over there like good one, good one,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And and Broddess is gonna give it
Speaker 1: to you straight up. And that that's why people say, well,
Speaker 1: have you watch a lot of the combine? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, because everybody looks good to me.
Speaker 1: And then you take you take the guy, the Griffin
Speaker 1: kid that ran the four three eight, And you know
Speaker 1: I'm following it. Oh man, da da da, And I'm
Speaker 1: saying to myself, no, yeah, I already know because I
Speaker 1: knew a little bit about him at UCF, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, nobody runs harder, work harder, this, that another.
Speaker 1: But he don't And I hate to tell you, but
Speaker 1: he don't play at four to three nine on what
Speaker 1: I've seen, Yeah, he's I will say this. He has
Speaker 1: explosive quickness. There's there's some stuff that you watch him
Speaker 1: play on you know, on film, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of really positive traits. If you're gonna draft him, and
Speaker 1: it's not just because of the handicap the one hand,
Speaker 1: you have to have a plan for him, and I
Speaker 1: think it's let him play off the ball and let
Speaker 1: him run. That's the thing if you're asking him. And
Speaker 1: it's not that he won't fight blocks, but at his size,
Speaker 1: it's tougher for him to get off blocks when people
Speaker 1: get on him. That's upbreaks. If he was sixty two,
Speaker 1: sixty three you you you you. I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: would draft him, but you will move him up. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's get an example a guy that is that
Speaker 1: big and a lot of cowboy fans have a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been talking about this guy, Tremaine Edmonds
Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech now Virginia Tech. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds can play all three spots. Play the SAM,
Speaker 1: you can play the mic, you could play the will.
Speaker 1: Considering something's happening to you're likely not gonna get back.
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchens, see better figure out a way to find
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker. I don't think you want to move
Speaker 1: Stean Lee back to mike linebacker. I think you want
Speaker 1: to keep him at the will and let him do that.
Speaker 1: But Tremaine Edmonds is six to four, he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty three pounds. His arm linked is thirty four
Speaker 1: and a half. Okay, And now, okay, I see it.
Speaker 1: I got a tall guy, big guy, long arm, So okay,
Speaker 1: I can see a guy that plays off blocks as well.
Speaker 1: But you get to, like to say, four or five
Speaker 1: four for a guy that big, that's pretty good right there.
Speaker 1: But then you start to get into some of the
Speaker 1: other things about him, though, and you're like nine nine
Speaker 1: on the broad jump. That for a guy that big,
Speaker 1: that's not a very explosive guy. But see the numbers
Speaker 1: don't say explosive on the jumps and stuff, but what
Speaker 1: but you watch him on tape, he plays explosive. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's one of those things you're kind of like, again,
Speaker 1: you use these numbers as a guy to kind of say, Okay,
Speaker 1: do I need to go back and look at some
Speaker 1: of these guys and do I And I'm not a yeah,
Speaker 1: do I do I do? I'm not making up. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say, oh, wait a minute, he ran
Speaker 1: a four three eight at the combine. Well, you could
Speaker 1: see the Griffin kid play that fact, I mean, you
Speaker 1: could see him play with that kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of a burst, that explosiveness. But then again, some of
Speaker 1: these other guys you're like, I know the tape and
Speaker 1: then but you got to make sure the competition too.
Speaker 1: You know, for example, the kid from the kid from
Speaker 1: San Antonio from ut San Antonio that that that everybody's Davenport,
Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about. You know, here's a guy that
Speaker 1: that to me is a really really really interesting player. Again,
Speaker 1: he's six five almost six six, two hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: four pounds, you know, four five eight in the forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so then you're starting to see, Okay, the twenty shuttles
Speaker 1: the things where you have to have lateral Julie, he
Speaker 1: has the same twenty shuttle four four one as Bradley Chubb,
Speaker 1: who is the big time North Carolina State. Everybody's talking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who could be Who's gonna be the first defensive end
Speaker 1: off the board. Every saying Bradley Chubb's going to the
Speaker 1: Colts at three. That was that's the big buzz. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got him as a top five player. But you look
Speaker 1: at Marcus Davenport, You're saying, he, well, here's a big man.
Speaker 1: Bradley chubbs six four, two hundred and sixty nine pounds,
Speaker 1: very similar type guy. But David Ports a little bit
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit a little bit later on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's he runs a four four one. And these
Speaker 1: are the things you see, you know, four to four one,
Speaker 1: excuse me. In the twenty shuttle. That's the lateral agility,
Speaker 1: you know, that's how you see, that's pass rushers, that's
Speaker 1: ability to get around the corner, to move, to plant
Speaker 1: your foot, get back, you know, redirect and all that.
Speaker 1: So again, numbers are all part of just trying to
Speaker 1: make an evaluation of the player. And when speaking of
Speaker 1: defensive players, Uh, the what's the you've seen is what's
Speaker 1: his bend ability? You know what I mean? Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: and what versus Chubb? What have you seen? Chubb's got
Speaker 1: a little bit. Chubb's got that little bit more of
Speaker 1: that of ability to dip the shoulder as a as
Speaker 1: a former, the thing to give offensive lineman problems is
Speaker 1: when you don't give when you have to face a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't give you any hitting sets right man
Speaker 1: in the yeah, it would, Yeah, he he need you
Speaker 1: need when Nate's blocking, he needs to know that when
Speaker 1: his left hand hits that his right hand's gonna hit
Speaker 1: something right. And these really good ones have the ability
Speaker 1: to dip and get almost sideways. And now Nate's struggling
Speaker 1: because his left hand not a half you know what
Speaker 1: hits him. And now he's thinking, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: gotta come with the right. And then the right goes
Speaker 1: behind or goes over or goes you know. And now
Speaker 1: he's a one hour and football player. And these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna win because they're dip low, they've got the
Speaker 1: shoulder down, and they've got an angle to the right
Speaker 1: to the course right. Yeah, he's Nate's pushed Chubb into
Speaker 1: a sack. Yeah. Is that the drill they run when
Speaker 1: they put the hula hoops down on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the whole idea, is how low can you run
Speaker 1: and still maintain body control and balance, because that is
Speaker 1: the one thing. DeMarcus Ware was one of the best
Speaker 1: I've ever seen at the de Marcus Ware had an
Speaker 1: ability to attack you and they'll get real small. But
Speaker 1: then once he got on the outside other side of
Speaker 1: the tunnel, he was onto your quarterback. And that's the
Speaker 1: that's what the good ones do. If you play tall.
Speaker 1: Nate Newton loves you all that man, Nate the tar
Speaker 1: you get the more. And that's where you watch when
Speaker 1: you watch these defensive lineman who went yesterday, if you
Speaker 1: really watch them in the drills, they did all kinds
Speaker 1: of bendy drills to see and you can and that's
Speaker 1: what shuttles tell you a lot about though, that ability,
Speaker 1: the three cone, the short shuttle, those change your direction.
Speaker 1: What's your what's your favorite drill to watch the whole combine?
Speaker 1: My favorite drill? I there's a couple of when it
Speaker 1: depends on what position you watch. Were just watched the
Speaker 1: gauntlet drill. And I was trying to explain to you
Speaker 1: guys about and you I think you guys picked up
Speaker 1: on it after about the third guy that was weaving
Speaker 1: like he was a Bourbon Street drunk right like he
Speaker 1: was walking down him and there it sounds like, yeah
Speaker 1: from experience, yeah, well yeah, you know, yeah, go down
Speaker 1: Bourbon Street kind of kind of weave, you'd weave down
Speaker 1: the middle of the street. The guys should have the
Speaker 1: ability to stay straight, have confidence in their hands that
Speaker 1: defensive backs receivers. If you see a guy constantly weaving
Speaker 1: and fighting the ball, those ball skills are not there.
Speaker 1: I love that drill. I absolutely love that. I love
Speaker 1: the drills where I love I talked about the twenty shuttle,
Speaker 1: the lateral stuff because in the three cone, because if
Speaker 1: you can't bend and get down, because you got to
Speaker 1: touch the line to get and burst to get to
Speaker 1: the next line. If you can't bend down to get
Speaker 1: to the line, have you done this? You've done this
Speaker 1: drill a ton, right, and you couldn't been down well
Speaker 1: enough to get and then they kept bringing you back
Speaker 1: because you kept missing the line. Right, Mats covering his
Speaker 1: face say this, Let me say this as if you
Speaker 1: have a parent has a kid, they can work on
Speaker 1: the three cone. No, no, no, if you have a
Speaker 1: parent to have a kid and you know that your
Speaker 1: kid got the ability to be a big guy a
Speaker 1: line on the defensive lineman offensive lima. I try to
Speaker 1: tell people, if you can start them with flexibility, there
Speaker 1: you go, there you go, stretching style, work in these
Speaker 1: count of these drills. Yo, kid would be because in
Speaker 1: high school they don't teach him no more. He's how
Speaker 1: about bending? Yeah, how about flexibility? Knees? Now, everybody's in
Speaker 1: the two points stand by sign the NFL get him.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, whatever hedentities. Yeah, send him
Speaker 1: to yoga class. Yeah, there's a guy hurt. It would
Speaker 1: not hurt. There's a guy in this draft and im
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him right now. Is Colton Miller,
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from Ucla. R Colton Miller. He looked like
Speaker 1: he looked like a wide receiver. He's an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: from UCLA. Some people have him in the first round
Speaker 1: of their mock drafts. He's six eight and a half.
Speaker 1: He's three hundred and nine pounds. What six eight and
Speaker 1: a half, I'll say it again. Thirty four arms, ten
Speaker 1: and three quarter hands right four to nine eight. We
Speaker 1: actually four nine five is his forty yard dash. Okay,
Speaker 1: thirty one and a half of the vertical, ten one
Speaker 1: on the broad, seven three four in the in the
Speaker 1: three cone, and then four four nine in the shuttle,
Speaker 1: and those are really good times for a big, tall
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. The problem with Colton Miller is he plays
Speaker 1: like he's like he's that like that straight now, there's
Speaker 1: no bending. Get your iron out, lay him down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he is. He's like a flag pole.
Speaker 1: He's a six state flagpole. He plays so tall and
Speaker 1: you watch people and he did he did twenty four
Speaker 1: times on the two twenty five and that, you know,
Speaker 1: for a guy it's got thirty four inch arms. That's
Speaker 1: not bad. I mean, that's that's getting the you know,
Speaker 1: long arm guys have a bad if you see those numbers,
Speaker 1: and it's like he didn't do very many bench reps.
Speaker 1: A long way to go, got a long way to go,
Speaker 1: gotta push that way a long way. So but Colton Miller,
Speaker 1: he Nate says, he plays like an ironing book. He's
Speaker 1: so vertical in the way he plays and people get
Speaker 1: into him and they drive him to the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but everybody's like Colton Miller. Five. He watched the tape.
Speaker 1: Watch the tape, and Colton Miller is like a welcome mat.
Speaker 1: Sometimes might as well have welcome across his chest. You know,
Speaker 1: you know when that's had to tell a parent. And
Speaker 1: this is what's so frustrating frustrating? Yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: the word, what's I liked it? Extra frustrating? I was
Speaker 1: I wasn't drafted anyway because asked whether I want to
Speaker 1: be a dog or cat, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say. Was my mom attractive? Of course she was.
Speaker 1: She was my mom. Oh that's wrong, you're a dog.
Speaker 1: You're no cat, You're a daughter. Asked me to do
Speaker 1: now you want your mom? I'm like, okay, if that's believe,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on man. But anyway, I hate scouts,
Speaker 1: don't you. Well no, I love scouts because well I
Speaker 1: tell that the college scouts were better than me than
Speaker 1: the pro scouts. Yeah, because the college scouts got Arizona
Speaker 1: State in order to damn George, all of these guys
Speaker 1: can't recruit me when I went to Florida, and then
Speaker 1: then the pro Scouts treated me like garbage. You want
Speaker 1: to be drafted, no work? Yeah, but anyway, Wow, what
Speaker 1: was I gonna say, hey to my band? And flexibility
Speaker 1: of parents and stuff like that. Your mother's were straded.
Speaker 1: What bothers me? Man or dog? That's when you try
Speaker 1: to when you try to tell a parent, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what you can do to help your child right now,
Speaker 1: he's eight nineteen. If you do this here religiously three
Speaker 1: times a week, is stretched before and out the work.
Speaker 1: I said, if you do this, your kid will be
Speaker 1: at least have a chance to be better. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: do it. Well, the coach said, they do they look
Speaker 1: do they look through you like you're like they're looking
Speaker 1: through the back of your head. Yeah? Yeah, they Well,
Speaker 1: the coach said, and I gotta guard it does this
Speaker 1: and d Yeah, he's right. I get on ben At
Speaker 1: about this all the time because Bennett now is transitioning.
Speaker 1: He'll be a freshman high school in transition. Bennets brought
Speaker 1: us the sun. Yeah, he trans brings him to training
Speaker 1: camp every year. He'll be there for the next month.
Speaker 1: He loves me, Bet and he loves brought us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's that is the truth. That is the truth, and
Speaker 1: so like, you know, try to help him, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna go to the Manning passing camp and
Speaker 1: Thibolow Louisiana. I'm trying to help him that way. But
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, look, and how much do
Speaker 1: you love baseball? And he goes, that's okay, I mean
Speaker 1: I like playing it. I said, you know, you'd get
Speaker 1: in track and he goes, Dad, I'm come on, I'm slow.
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's the point. They will teach you.
Speaker 1: You might not be fast, but they will work on
Speaker 1: your flexibility. They will work on your footwork. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you might get you might get mauled in every event
Speaker 1: you ever play in, but you will be training to
Speaker 1: work on your feet and your flexibility. Tom Brady got mauled.
Speaker 1: To look at him, go, I remember that. You know
Speaker 1: you look at the combine with Tom Brady. I remember
Speaker 1: that combine. You know you can watch some of the drills.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was like the ironing board guy out there.
Speaker 1: But but tom Brady developed, you know, he developed some flexibility,
Speaker 1: some bend, some some bit to be able to play
Speaker 1: with your knees bent. And that's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's right, He's given parents the right advice
Speaker 1: because I'm the same way I'm thinking about, Okay, take
Speaker 1: Bennett out of baseball, put him in track. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm about take him over that Michael Johnson school. Say
Speaker 1: I tried to bag my baby boss king dude trade. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now now, now I say, your boy as leaving to
Speaker 1: go to the pros. Yeah, I say, I bet he flexible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet he can be in ye. And now you
Speaker 1: look at me now, Oh yeah, it don't matter where
Speaker 1: you come from, Brian him, I'll find you. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: will find you. Oh No, that's that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: absolute truth. I mean because I've I've even talked about
Speaker 1: moving into other locations, like being a parent, just so
Speaker 1: he had an address, and He's like, no, I like
Speaker 1: going to school. So I'll do whatever I have to
Speaker 1: do for my kid to have success. My kid might
Speaker 1: only play high school football, he might not ever be
Speaker 1: to get to go to the Combine. But like Nate says,
Speaker 1: you give advice, right, you get it. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not stupid enough. I'm not stupid to not listen to
Speaker 1: Nate Newton. He's been there, right, you know, I've seen it.
Speaker 1: With my own eyes. So anyway, the combine, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of what it's happen. What so what are the
Speaker 1: next steps? Combine? Didn't they bring walk people through what
Speaker 1: happened from the organization. Now we go from the combine
Speaker 1: to the actual pro days and and and it's really
Speaker 1: more important for guys that maybe didn't have a great
Speaker 1: forty time. Guys will come to they'll go to their
Speaker 1: own facility, they'll train better scout scouts will work with them,
Speaker 1: they'll get better numbers, they'll get lower numbers. It's really
Speaker 1: important for these quarterbacks. You know, Sam Darnold, the quarterback
Speaker 1: USC did not throw in the combin, but the other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks did. Hey, I'm off for the competitive quarterback. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna throw, great, But they'll go they'll have these
Speaker 1: pro days and these guys not a ball will hit
Speaker 1: the ground. But this is a this is a tough
Speaker 1: environment to throw football in because, hey, you're throwing the guys,
Speaker 1: you're a little bit of the mercy of the receivers.
Speaker 1: You can never work with these guys and you might
Speaker 1: get a run just because your last name begins with
Speaker 1: a D. And they do it in alphabetic order to
Speaker 1: match you with receivers. You might get three guys when
Speaker 1: you're three throws might not be very good. Yeah, can't
Speaker 1: run a route to take it open. And I say,
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen, the Wyoming quarterback who had a
Speaker 1: really good you know, the arm strength and all that,
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of a benefit because he
Speaker 1: had better receivers. He threw to it the combine then
Speaker 1: he did at Wyoming, and so people kind of change that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the next thing is we'll have the pro days.
Speaker 1: We got free agency coming up March twelfth, so that
Speaker 1: that'll no, that'll affect, but that'll affect the draft. That'll
Speaker 1: affect the draft. So some people kind of supplement they
Speaker 1: get guys, maybe you won't see them going. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're fifty some odd days and draft right now. When
Speaker 1: do they bring the players in April? It's the end
Speaker 1: of March, first week in April. They will bring those
Speaker 1: guys in. What is that? What is that process? That's
Speaker 1: the thirty visit thing that that you're allowed to bring
Speaker 1: a guy in really not. They have a thing called
Speaker 1: Dallas Day that they're allowed that's where they can work
Speaker 1: these kids out. Dallas Day. They can work the kids out. Now,
Speaker 1: you could work a kid out at your facility if
Speaker 1: you want to bring one of your thirty in, but
Speaker 1: he has to be from your hometown, like Courtland's Sutton
Speaker 1: from from SMU. If they wanted to work him out
Speaker 1: at Ford Center in the Ford Center, they could do
Speaker 1: that because he's a local kid. Now, they can't take
Speaker 1: a receiver from US or Michigan one of those places
Speaker 1: and bring him in because he's not from here. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if he lives here, well, if he went to
Speaker 1: high school here, if he went to high school with
Speaker 1: to high school here, he can do it high school here. Yes,
Speaker 1: if it's if the longest the DFW is your home,
Speaker 1: they can work you out here. But the thirty visits
Speaker 1: mainly is to just to get to know Jerry Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: sit down with them, visiting all that kind of. They'll
Speaker 1: be walking around over here to the cafeteria, We'll get
Speaker 1: to see the kids and then the Dallas Day though,
Speaker 1: is more about physical workouts for maybe guys that are
Speaker 1: down the line that they might be late draft picks
Speaker 1: or a priority free agent. Did the Cowboys bring Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley and Floyd He did? Yeahallas Day, Yes, he did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So when's the draft show this week? We go tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I know we usually go before you guys on Monday,
Speaker 1: but we have the combine wrapping up. We're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: it up tomorrow, Dame Brigo, David Helme and myself. We'll
Speaker 1: get that done ten am tomorrow, So saying am tomorrow,
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that brought us. We appreciate it, man,
Speaker 1: Thank you for making Thank you man. I appreciate you. Guys,
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Speaker 1: Roger going deep for drill down the sideline twenty five
Speaker 1: put ten put down Dallas Cowboys and you would not
Speaker 1: believe the spike. The Drew Pierson just put on that ball?
Speaker 1: What was that, Douglas? That was a Drew Pearson touchdown
Speaker 1: from October nineteen seventy seven hosting Washington at Texas Stadium.
Speaker 1: I missed that. Could you play any game? Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what good play it twice. You know you
Speaker 1: are a big deal when they have a piece of
Speaker 1: artwork in the star that has your likeness on it.
Speaker 1: If you've never been to the star. The hail Mary,
Speaker 1: frame by frame is hanging about forty feet in the
Speaker 1: air all the way down to the bottom floor. So
Speaker 1: if you ever come check that out, you can even
Speaker 1: see there's an orange being thrown at Drew catching the
Speaker 1: ball and I started to catch that too, did you,
Speaker 1: Drew that? I like that? Wow, that is a super piece.
Speaker 1: When the first time I saw that, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding, brought tears to my eyes because to be
Speaker 1: honored and commemorated like that, something that will be there
Speaker 1: long after I'm gone and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: it's pretty special. Yeah, nobody, nobody in that regard does
Speaker 1: it like the cowboy man, I tell you, but he
Speaker 1: has that same type of deal in one of the
Speaker 1: local taverns. Oh is that right? What they got him?
Speaker 1: Turning one up top of the bottles? Even know where
Speaker 1: that is ortalized? It Christie's And I'm making an ortograph
Speaker 1: before we leave. I didn't tell you, but this is
Speaker 1: a story for another time. Me and Kurt actually hung
Speaker 1: out last week. Last week, Christie's Wow came to Uptown
Speaker 1: for for his anniversary and wh man, we'll get into
Speaker 1: that later later. So, Drew, what are you? What are
Speaker 1: you up to these days? Man, what's keeping you busy? Well?
Speaker 1: UH doing a lot of appearances and things like that,
Speaker 1: and blessed to UH continue to do that and just
Speaker 1: open up a spot at DFW Airport in Terminal E
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson Sports eighty eight Grill eight five and that's
Speaker 1: been open for two months now. I need to come.
Speaker 1: We just got nominated by the DFW Airport Concessions as
Speaker 1: the Airport Bar of the Year or the National Food
Speaker 1: and Beverage Airport Fooling and Beverage Awards, so we're excited
Speaker 1: about that. I try to hang out there as much
Speaker 1: as I could, intermingle with the travelers as they come through.
Speaker 1: I was watching the championship games out there to AFC
Speaker 1: and NFC Championship game with all the fans or some
Speaker 1: bad weather going on in the area at that time,
Speaker 1: a lot of rain, and just before I guess it
Speaker 1: was a Brady making his comeback against Jacksonville, the satellite
Speaker 1: went out, you know, and everybody come on, you can't
Speaker 1: get satellite. That was not a good time to be
Speaker 1: at the spot, But most of the other times it's
Speaker 1: been great being there, intermingling with the travelers as they
Speaker 1: come through DFW. That's awesome. So before these guys start
Speaker 1: getting into questions, I want to know the story behind
Speaker 1: the draft. And you just giving it to those Eagles fans?
Speaker 1: How did that? Was that? Just spur of the moment?
Speaker 1: Had you planned? Now, I had planned on saying what
Speaker 1: I said, but I had never planned on delivering game.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be nothing like that as
Speaker 1: far as uh, the response that the Philly fans gave me.
Speaker 1: Once I was introduced to make that pick. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: when I come around that corner um after the commissioner
Speaker 1: announced up next as the Cowboys and the second pick
Speaker 1: the sixty picking the second round. By the time when
Speaker 1: he got back backstage, you know, he said, are you
Speaker 1: ready for this? I said, well, I'm used to get
Speaker 1: him booed in Philadelphia, so that should make me feel
Speaker 1: right at home. But I didn't know it was gonna
Speaker 1: be like that. Okay, And I went down that ramp
Speaker 1: Nate and came around that corner. Who they sorry, And
Speaker 1: every step I took to get closer to the podium,
Speaker 1: the booze got louder and louder. And now by the
Speaker 1: time I get to the podium, now I'm fired AMPI mean,
Speaker 1: where's where's Hermit? I wrote a round on him right now.
Speaker 1: I was so fired up they threw me a chief steak.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get. That's something. I was so fired up,
Speaker 1: and I didn't plan on delivering what I said. I
Speaker 1: was going to take advantage of this time on national TV,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do the Cowboys right because I
Speaker 1: felt honored that they selected me to make this selection.
Speaker 1: All the great Cowboy players, including Nate right here, they
Speaker 1: could have chosen for that opportunity, that honor, but they
Speaker 1: selected me. So I wanted to do him right. So
Speaker 1: on the flight up there, I'm saying, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I should do a little more than read the cards.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna I wanted to gig them about
Speaker 1: being an undrafted free agent, you know. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to say that, but I also wanted to give respect
Speaker 1: to the organization, and so that's why I had planned
Speaker 1: on saying what I said. But there's no way I
Speaker 1: had planned on saying it that way. And as the
Speaker 1: booze got louder and I got louder, and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, I'm yelling I'm fired up. They're fired up,
Speaker 1: and turned out to be a moment that was awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now you're an ambassador for this year's right. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: co ambassador with the great DeMarcus Ware And a lot
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the Cowboys involvement with
Speaker 1: this drafting community giving back to the community through Arlington
Speaker 1: is D and other isds around mentoring and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. And Cowboys. Of course, they're gonna do it
Speaker 1: a little different, you know, and ain't gonna be just
Speaker 1: about the draft and announcing players. They're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get the community and then do some things extend it
Speaker 1: a little more than just the draft and take advantage
Speaker 1: of the opportunity and exposure. You're gonna get the cost
Speaker 1: of the draft. Yes, So I'm excited about that and
Speaker 1: appreciative again of that opportunity. Wow, man, I just sid
Speaker 1: it all day and listen to him. Any more questions? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean is it's like, yeah, Well it goes out, man,
Speaker 1: it goes how many places we go out? Douglass, I
Speaker 1: got to watch my language. It's the internet. You're fine.
Speaker 1: Whatever said anything Shannon hadn't said five or six. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in good shape. I have to ask you why
Speaker 1: we have you here. I mean, you're you're the original
Speaker 1: eighty eight. You've faced a lot of the same pressures
Speaker 1: that Dez is facing now. I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: see this? Everybody's talking about Daz? Will they keeping? Will
Speaker 1: they not? What do you how do you read this? Well?
Speaker 1: You know, uh, it was a tough season, you know,
Speaker 1: for Daz individually and for the team and for the
Speaker 1: offense in particular the passing game, and you know it
Speaker 1: wasn't it's down from the previous year and that type
Speaker 1: of thing. So you know, when it's over and you
Speaker 1: have that disappointment, you got to point to fingers somewhere,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately the fingers have really been pointing at Daz,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's the reason the passing game hasn't gone,
Speaker 1: or he's the reason we didn't make the playoffs or
Speaker 1: something like that. So if that's the conversation, if that's
Speaker 1: what's going on, man, you know, I think we might
Speaker 1: need to take advantage of that. Okay, what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is, I know, with this AD eight and
Speaker 1: I know with Michael eighty eight, if somebody's talking negative
Speaker 1: about us and telling us we can't do something, that's
Speaker 1: all the motivation we need to prove them wrong. And
Speaker 1: I know Daz wearing eighty eight. If we give him
Speaker 1: another opportunity to show what he can do and be
Speaker 1: that receiver he was before the last couple of years
Speaker 1: when injury started accumulating, and that's you know, that's a
Speaker 1: deadly sin for a wide receiver. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: want any injuries to our legs or hands. Those are
Speaker 1: our bread and butters. Sometimes the accumulation of those things,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to make adjustments in our game.
Speaker 1: I think Dez will do that. But if he's hearing
Speaker 1: all this negative talk and they work it out where
Speaker 1: he does come back, boy, I think we're going to
Speaker 1: get a heck of a football player because he's going
Speaker 1: to be motivated to prove people wrong. And that's what
Speaker 1: the double hs are all about. And I know Dez
Speaker 1: has that DNA in him and that's what got him
Speaker 1: to where he is now. And so he just asked
Speaker 1: to work hard get it back. And if the opportunity
Speaker 1: is here for him to play again, man, let's take
Speaker 1: advantage of that. Was it in your career? Was it
Speaker 1: any situations like that where it became down. I know
Speaker 1: they didn't mean to have the free agency now that
Speaker 1: then that we have now. But was any moments like
Speaker 1: that in your career where he's where people say, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know if Drew got it now? Well, yeah, actually, Nate,
Speaker 1: that's a good, good question because in eighty three, actually
Speaker 1: it turned out to me my last year and because
Speaker 1: I had that car accident in eighty four, had forced
Speaker 1: to retire. But yeah, Butch Johnson, they were talking about
Speaker 1: taking Butch and putting them in my spot, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean all offseason they're talking about this. We get
Speaker 1: to the preseason. You know, back in the day Nate
Speaker 1: we played preseason, we had we had six of them
Speaker 1: to get I'm glad they dropped it down to four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, so it was a process every
Speaker 1: year going through the preseason. You played you know, so
Speaker 1: many quarters or snaps early and then as you built
Speaker 1: up to the end of the the preseason, now you're supposed
Speaker 1: to play three quarters because coach Landry wanted you to
Speaker 1: get the field of starting a game, playing through a
Speaker 1: half of a game, then going in the locker room
Speaker 1: making adjustments, and coming back out in the second half
Speaker 1: and getting ready to play well in the final preseason game.
Speaker 1: In eighty three. I come back out in the second half.
Speaker 1: They put Butch Johnson in there, and I'm upset. Okay.
Speaker 1: And after the game, I go in there and talked
Speaker 1: to Dan Reeves, who was the receiver coach, and I'm
Speaker 1: laying it on him. All right. Everybody in the locker
Speaker 1: room could hear me and all this and uh, but
Speaker 1: they were telling me that Butch was They wanted Butch
Speaker 1: in there. Dan Reeves was really pushing Butch. But that
Speaker 1: just motivated me. I felt this through the off season.
Speaker 1: I had the best offseason I had every I didn't
Speaker 1: even drive my car, Okay, when I went to the store,
Speaker 1: I ran whenever. You know, I'm gonna get grocery. I'm
Speaker 1: carrying groceries. I was. I said, I'm gonna be in
Speaker 1: the best shape I could possibly be because Butch was
Speaker 1: talking all this noise, He's gonna take my job. So
Speaker 1: that motivated me. And I started out the season. I
Speaker 1: had thirty thirty catches in the first five games, and
Speaker 1: for us back then, that's a lot. And because I
Speaker 1: was ready to go and I put Butch down here,
Speaker 1: so anytime the motivate even coming in as an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent, somebody's telling me. You know this is now,
Speaker 1: I'm AD eight. But no one knows what ADI eight's
Speaker 1: all about then. But now you're trying to set a legacy.
Speaker 1: When you come in as an undrafted free agent seventeen
Speaker 1: rounds of the draft, bourn and fifty two players, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's telling you you ain't good enough. You know that
Speaker 1: I've forgotten that me that motivated me as well. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Butch Johnson went to Denver with Dan Reeves. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you want him, you got him? Yeah. Well, actually
Speaker 1: at first they traded. This is even after my car
Speaker 1: accident in eighty four, that Butch had talked so much
Speaker 1: noise and burned so many bridges. They still traded him,
Speaker 1: knowing that I was not going to make it back
Speaker 1: and play again. They traded him to the Houston Oilers
Speaker 1: and then the Oilers. Uh he got cut by the
Speaker 1: Oilers and Denver picked Oh wow, yeah, and so you
Speaker 1: know Butcher's original, Yeah, just crying the whole time. You know,
Speaker 1: he played behind me and Tony for eight well me
Speaker 1: eight seasons. You know, he was always pushing us, and
Speaker 1: that was good, you know, the competition, seditiveness that's good
Speaker 1: because he was good. You know, you could be talking
Speaker 1: to him right now instead of me, that's how good
Speaker 1: he was. But after a while, I said, hey, he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get nothing over here over there. Tony said,
Speaker 1: why are you sending him over here? Tony went to
Speaker 1: going a little deeper, a little fast. He said, why
Speaker 1: are you sending him over here? I said, well, you
Speaker 1: want nothing over here? Yeah. Yeah, you gotta find whatever
Speaker 1: you can to motivate yourself. And I think, if you know,
Speaker 1: Dez is a cowboy going forward, I think he'll be
Speaker 1: a motivated Dallas cowboy and tried to prove a lot
Speaker 1: of when Dez was a rookie. I remember hearing you
Speaker 1: do a postgame show and people were asking about you know,
Speaker 1: when when somebody comes in and tackles Des he doesn't
Speaker 1: go down and he takes about three extra hits, and
Speaker 1: you said, well, he'll learn not to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: he never learned, and maybe that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: he's had the injuries he's had throughout his career. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe so. Yeah, he was pretty reckless as a runner.
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, you know, you got to a philosophy,
Speaker 1: theate to live to play another day. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta know when to hold them, know when
Speaker 1: to fold them. In the NFL, and if you can
Speaker 1: fight for that extra yard, yeah, you gotta go get it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's our that's in our DNA, that's how
Speaker 1: we are built, right to keep fighting and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you're fighting for that extra yard and you know that
Speaker 1: guy's coming, and you know back in the day, you
Speaker 1: know they could stand you up and hold you here
Speaker 1: they coming, damn you know, so you had to know
Speaker 1: when the duck and get down. You gotta make business
Speaker 1: decisions sometimes business decisions. But that's what Daz has to do.
Speaker 1: Now he's an older receivers not the same. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: now you got to make adjustments. And one of the
Speaker 1: adjustments that is when you know, take the hit or
Speaker 1: go down or something like that, fight for the extra yard.
Speaker 1: I never would condone anybody running out of bounds. I
Speaker 1: hate when I see that, you know, especially with a
Speaker 1: receiver or running out of bounds, and they could cut
Speaker 1: back and they run out of the run out of
Speaker 1: bounds and they could get that four or five yards.
Speaker 1: And now you say well, I didn't know. Big deal.
Speaker 1: While you get down to inside the red zone, you
Speaker 1: know you're now the four or five yards make a
Speaker 1: big difference. Right. What's what's one thing that's changed in
Speaker 1: the game now from when you played that you see
Speaker 1: something that really stands out to you? Just to practice,
Speaker 1: the time, the commitment to practice and meetings and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I know they're here most of the day,
Speaker 1: but how much times put on the practice field, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's limited by the collective bargaining agreement. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: you know the owners they'll give you that. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't want you want less practice time, Fine, we'll give
Speaker 1: you that. You know, we we'll take bigger cut of
Speaker 1: the share of the money, but we'll give you less
Speaker 1: practice time because they don't care about you once you
Speaker 1: sit on that field. Because if you don't, if you
Speaker 1: get go on the field with the limited practice time,
Speaker 1: you go out there in Nate and shorts and T
Speaker 1: shirts and a helmet and trying to get prepared to
Speaker 1: play at the NFL game at NFL speed between those
Speaker 1: NFL side lines, you know you ain't prepared for it.
Speaker 1: One of the questions they asked me is how many
Speaker 1: how could you only miss three games in eleven years. Well,
Speaker 1: we were in were conditioned for the physical part of
Speaker 1: the game. We hit in practice even in throughout the season.
Speaker 1: We got that we're rolling for the division title Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: we're in full pads. We're popping on that first step,
Speaker 1: you know. So we're conditioned to handle the contact. And
Speaker 1: I think with the limited practice and the things that
Speaker 1: these coaches can do with players in practice, I think
Speaker 1: in the long run, it hurts the players once they
Speaker 1: step on the field. That's why you see so many
Speaker 1: injuries in the beginning of the season. Your whole players
Speaker 1: out in preseason. You don't want any contact this and
Speaker 1: how what the game is contact. Now you go go
Speaker 1: in again to an NFL sidelines and the contact is
Speaker 1: real at NFL speed, and you get hit for the
Speaker 1: first time in six weeks, you know there's a good
Speaker 1: chance injury might happen. So that's the biggest thing I
Speaker 1: don't like it about the game is that the limited
Speaker 1: practice time, the limited time to formulate teams, the changing
Speaker 1: of players on a consistent basis. God blessed these coaches
Speaker 1: to keep coaching players up because he can, you know,
Speaker 1: do the whole course of the season, you're you're filling in.
Speaker 1: You're filling in because you know you're going to have
Speaker 1: to deal with injuries and you got to find players
Speaker 1: to fill in. I guess that's why Will McClay got extended,
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, that's a big job now
Speaker 1: in the NFL to continue to find talent to replace
Speaker 1: talent because some injuries and things of that nature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ye had. We also hear a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and does finding that chemistry at connection you
Speaker 1: play with two of the greatest and Starbuck and White,
Speaker 1: does it really make a difference having that connection, that
Speaker 1: chemistry with the quarterback. Absolutely? Absolutely, you gotta have it,
Speaker 1: and it's all about it's all developed here in the
Speaker 1: facility in the building, and it ain't like going to
Speaker 1: dinner and all that kind of stuff. I didn't need
Speaker 1: to go to dinner with Roger. You know, by the
Speaker 1: time practice ended, I've been with this guy eight nine
Speaker 1: to ten hours a day. I don't need to be
Speaker 1: in the house. Well, hey, I see you later, Roger. Okay.
Speaker 1: But you know when we were there, we worked, you know,
Speaker 1: before practice, running routes. I mean, we had to get
Speaker 1: out there early. You know, before the team got out there,
Speaker 1: we're running routes, working on things that we'd have in
Speaker 1: the in the game, playing new things. And even though
Speaker 1: the old routes, I can't tell you how I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: How many times when run that eighty three routes ten yards,
Speaker 1: start rolling it to twelve or the sideline. Our time
Speaker 1: timing was so impeccable, and it was because the reps. Reps,
Speaker 1: that's all receiving is running routes over and over and over.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you want your receivers
Speaker 1: to get open and have a chance to be successful,
Speaker 1: you got to give them routes to run. Okay, you
Speaker 1: can't have a limited route tree all right. Tony Hill
Speaker 1: had the same route tree as Drew Pearson, but Johnson
Speaker 1: had the same route three is all of us. You know,
Speaker 1: It's not like we have a route three for this
Speaker 1: guy because that's all he can run, and that might
Speaker 1: be limited to three routes. Now, you know, we had
Speaker 1: a ten route route tree from one to zero, and
Speaker 1: everybody ran those routes. Everybody was required to know how
Speaker 1: to run those routes. Everybody practiced those routes, so Therefore,
Speaker 1: you know when I had this ship to the slot
Speaker 1: or Butch go to the outside. He could run the
Speaker 1: same routes. So I would run if I was out there,
Speaker 1: and now I'm running the same routes he could run
Speaker 1: if he was in the slot. And Tony Hill and
Speaker 1: we are, we are in the change. We didn't have
Speaker 1: the guys staying on the same side like he doing.
Speaker 1: He spread seeing, he spread offenses mostly nowadays. That's in college.
Speaker 1: In high school, you and and and everybody don't had
Speaker 1: the same ability to learn. Uh, everybody in the same
Speaker 1: had the same i Q. But I found out because
Speaker 1: I want the smartest guy on and in our classroom,
Speaker 1: I mean, we had some guys that just knew the game.
Speaker 1: But through them and through good coaches, I was forced
Speaker 1: to learn the game and I was forced to learn
Speaker 1: some things, especially when it came to the whole big picture.
Speaker 1: This is why you're doing what you're doing, because over
Speaker 1: here is doing what they're doing. And it all comes again.
Speaker 1: So when when when Dad has to this season, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a cram session. But he has to understand
Speaker 1: why you have to know the whole route tree, because
Speaker 1: if you can run every route making it almost look
Speaker 1: the same in certain instances, that opens up other things
Speaker 1: for other people. But if they say, okay, well Dad's
Speaker 1: gonna do a deep out, He's gonna just run straight
Speaker 1: down the field, what does that do for you other
Speaker 1: guys in the same way with the other guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kobe's he's just gonna run an option route. That's what
Speaker 1: you're doing every third now, Jason, when we know you're
Speaker 1: just going four or five yards down the scene, what
Speaker 1: creativity is that? Now? And and you know these coordinators
Speaker 1: that defensive they you know, they had all offseason to study. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to tape, they had stuff there. So now
Speaker 1: what they're studying is the things you do well, not
Speaker 1: the stuff you don't do well. They're trying to take
Speaker 1: away the good stuff and things you do well. So
Speaker 1: what do you do as an offense? You know, you
Speaker 1: know you got to make adjustments? And every year we
Speaker 1: went in the training camp, Yeah we kept the same
Speaker 1: basics to the offense, but we knew, okay, that eighty
Speaker 1: three route all right, this time we're going to run
Speaker 1: it and work on it with Drew in motion as
Speaker 1: opposed to standing out there, you know, or Drew coming
Speaker 1: across the backfield running it it excuse me, in motion,
Speaker 1: you know, and you come up with different ways to
Speaker 1: make adjustments because you know your opponent is going to
Speaker 1: make adjustments in trying to stop you. So you now
Speaker 1: you got to come up with ways to beat that
Speaker 1: because now what do you say, Well, we're not going
Speaker 1: to throw the ball and Drew anymore because they're concentrating
Speaker 1: on him. No, you got to find a way to
Speaker 1: get it in there. And uh, you know, Roger, some
Speaker 1: of the best routes are the best things that we
Speaker 1: hit were when we were in double when I was
Speaker 1: double covered. I thought we come out the huddle and say,
Speaker 1: hope we get double covered because now you got that
Speaker 1: cornerback bumping you. He let you go. Now you're up
Speaker 1: on the safety. Oh my god. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's like stealing. You know the reason he's a safety,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm like, oh, Rod, just bring it.
Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't want to run on him because
Speaker 1: now you just get that ball in my hands. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody talking about the radius, every saying no, I told Roger,
Speaker 1: area code, get it in that area code. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that radius is, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a little bigger than the natural receiver's radius and
Speaker 1: its arm extended. You just get it there. And here's
Speaker 1: another thing. Roger never ever threw a bad pass or
Speaker 1: Danny White either. It was always my fault if I
Speaker 1: didn't catch it. I come back to that hull. It's
Speaker 1: my fault. Rod, I should have had it. I should
Speaker 1: have had Well, that's same with Mike was Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: saint Man. Might be like my bad Trump and my
Speaker 1: bad I got it. Yeah, and yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: mentality you have to have as that man, the man
Speaker 1: at the break position, because you're setting the tone for
Speaker 1: the rest of the receivers. I knew I was at
Speaker 1: guy even't talking twenty Hill was bad. Okay, we both
Speaker 1: went over a thousand yards and seventy nine. I was
Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowls and then Tony comes. Now
Speaker 1: he's going to the Pro Bowls. But the point is
Speaker 1: we had two Pro Bowl receivers out there and it
Speaker 1: made us better. Yeah, and that's what that's kind of
Speaker 1: what you want. So well, Drew, this has been awesome, man.
Speaker 1: Thank you for stopping by, Kurt, Thanks for thanks for
Speaker 1: bringing him by. Yeah, I'm probably gonna depart two. I'm
Speaker 1: walking mister Pierson out here. Let's give him his highlight.
Speaker 1: He missed it, Okay, all right, let's give it again.
Speaker 1: Kare comes to Blas Roger going deep for drill down
Speaker 1: the sideline twenty twenty five put ten put touchdown. That
Speaker 1: was Cowboys, And you would not believe the spike. The
Speaker 1: Drew person just put on that ball. You know what
Speaker 1: I did? I will I think his name was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Gerald Williams, the cornerback, and I beat them
Speaker 1: pretty bad down the sideline. But I did the windmill
Speaker 1: spike and came right to my leg. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was a bad, bad spike. Yeah that day. Thanks for
Speaker 1: who that is behind the scenes back there. That's Douglas.
Speaker 1: Oh you spell check the man. Why don't you say
Speaker 1: that in the first play. Well, thanks a lot, good stuff, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. Let bubble screen back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get your legs n crazy leg They going everyway. Yeah man,
Speaker 1: that's all all right. We'll go to day when they down. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: He's a fun some stories. You know what I took
Speaker 1: out of that? You know the big takeaway that I
Speaker 1: took out of that, Kurt He is saying the same
Speaker 1: thing that Nate has been preaching since we started on
Speaker 1: this show, which is not to learn the route. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you if you this is what's so funny, is
Speaker 1: you remember to catch avan hopperhead gets to forty nine
Speaker 1: US at first you went to the Super Bowl. M hm,
Speaker 1: this is so funny. Mike in the huddle, call the protection.
Speaker 1: They called it, they called the route tree and and
Speaker 1: Mike say, no, Alvin, I'm catching this ball. Go to
Speaker 1: the other side. They run to the other side and
Speaker 1: slants the coverage over there. So that puts some Alvin,
Speaker 1: But Alvin knew Mike's route. Mike knew and they didn't
Speaker 1: think about it. Yea, they just did it. You got
Speaker 1: to be able to run all the routes, and you
Speaker 1: ain't got to be great at every route, but you
Speaker 1: gotta be fishing enough that you that they have confidence
Speaker 1: that you're gonna come and be at the right place
Speaker 1: at the right time. So you know, I've seen this offense,
Speaker 1: and I agree. You can basically run the same routes,
Speaker 1: but like Drew said, we're gonna run the eighty three
Speaker 1: route and bring him into that right there, so that
Speaker 1: makes the mouth of the there man a zone or
Speaker 1: whatever coverage they want to run. It may switch up
Speaker 1: just because you start at one place and went to
Speaker 1: another place, but you still can run that same route
Speaker 1: because you may be running against the coverage. Maybe the
Speaker 1: coverage may allow you to run that route. Now that
Speaker 1: now that you went into motion. Yeah, he same stuff
Speaker 1: you've been saying for a year. Yeah, hey, keep your
Speaker 1: base offense, keep keep that, but do some different packages.
Speaker 1: Put him in motion, run run three to one side
Speaker 1: and to change it up and that is where it dad.
Speaker 1: And see that ain't got nothing to do with to
Speaker 1: me coaching. That has and that has everything to do
Speaker 1: with the with the player. And how's knowledgeable you are?
Speaker 1: Because one thing I learned in this league, y'all should
Speaker 1: know by now. If I am the man, I'm like, oh, no, coach,
Speaker 1: we gotta do something else different here. So you challenge
Speaker 1: your coach and in turn it challenges you. And as
Speaker 1: long as you and ye with the offense, they got
Speaker 1: to get better. So you think the coaches are hesitant
Speaker 1: to do something things different because maybe the receivers aren't
Speaker 1: totally nominal. I'm not saying that you want cold B's
Speaker 1: the outside all the time, but Colby's all those outside routes.
Speaker 1: So can you getting matched up on the lineback out
Speaker 1: there are safety because we saw that during the playoffs
Speaker 1: where you saw guys wide receivers being matched up like
Speaker 1: how wide were seing line back on the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You know that they're chomping at the bit. You know
Speaker 1: the quarterback he's still trying to look away like knowing
Speaker 1: I got this same. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: if you, as a player can challenge the coach to
Speaker 1: give you something new. You know, let's do something different.
Speaker 1: You know, I need the ball? How do I get
Speaker 1: the ball? You know? Just it just just the system. Man,
Speaker 1: What do you work? What were you working on with him?
Speaker 1: What's your building? We had him, We're working on some documentaries.
Speaker 1: We had several stories. Actually, we asked him about Tony
Speaker 1: Dorsett was one. UM. We asked some some stuff about
Speaker 1: the draft. He had some great stories about that. Um.
Speaker 1: What else. Percy Howard is a former player teammate of his.
Speaker 1: We asked him about and Everson Wolves, I mean those
Speaker 1: kind of those four. So he's we need to do
Speaker 1: a documentary on him. He's he's got some great stories
Speaker 1: to tell. Yeah, he's not scared to tell him now.
Speaker 1: He does not lack for confidence. You know what's amazing
Speaker 1: is just about every big play and it ain't failed
Speaker 1: me yet when I've listened to him, just about every
Speaker 1: big catch he's made. He knows a guy who was
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he remembers, yeah, you know how
Speaker 1: the how the play went down. The guy's name Michael
Speaker 1: like that too. Nah. I don't think Mike likely because
Speaker 1: all Mike thinking about it himself. You don't want to.
Speaker 1: You don't care who the guy was, just the guy
Speaker 1: and True definitely agreed with Vernon Lundquist that that was
Speaker 1: very nice. Spike, Yeah, he won't remembered it. He wanted
Speaker 1: to hang out in here after after he got off
Speaker 1: the air to why we were playing as highlights over
Speaker 1: the uh over the podcast and he was just sitting here, Go, man,
Speaker 1: I want to sit in here and watch these highlights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's great. Where can we watch these documentaries that you
Speaker 1: got that'll be part of our Deep Blue series? So
Speaker 1: we're working on them now. Probably the earliest had come
Speaker 1: out as August and then in the fall, so we're
Speaker 1: we got several on the works, so I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. Awesome, you know, when you're gonna
Speaker 1: do one on Nate. We needed no, no, No worry
Speaker 1: about Nate. But the thing that has been we've been
Speaker 1: debating to night and I hate to keep hiding it
Speaker 1: is you know they you know a lot of guys
Speaker 1: get talked about doing all the season, getting moved around
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know, Kurt kind of
Speaker 1: brought your name when you went into Mexico, like do
Speaker 1: we really need no no? And it runs a ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't have much time. We don't have much time,
Speaker 1: and by next week this will be holding news. You
Speaker 1: asked me to get some, Jerry, and so I found
Speaker 1: a cut Jerry that cuts to the to the bottom line.
Speaker 1: This this is a quick cut. Okay, it's all it's
Speaker 1: Dez and Jerry. He's asked about what's going on with
Speaker 1: des and does he want him back? And he bottom
Speaker 1: lines it right here and this is this was at
Speaker 1: the cop asked me as I sit here, do we
Speaker 1: want him on the team next year? The answers yes,
Speaker 1: And that's it. Wow, that's that was That was the
Speaker 1: bottom line. That was the bottom line. I've got a
Speaker 1: minute twenty cut, but we don't have him minute time.
Speaker 1: Listened to it the whole I'm which, do you listen
Speaker 1: to it? Yeah? Yeah, it was. It's on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: that you know it is? How can father uh tone?
Speaker 1: And and what he's saying is so different than good
Speaker 1: cop bad that I'm saying, Bro, It wasn't no good cop,
Speaker 1: bad cop. It was one was saying. Yeah, that's prison time.
Speaker 1: So go check that interview out. It's on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. Jerry. Every year at the combine, he brings
Speaker 1: the media onto the Cowboys bus and holds court and
Speaker 1: it's what about a fifty minute interview. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff. Yeah, there's more going on right
Speaker 1: now than you're than you think about when you hear
Speaker 1: all the things that they ask him. So it's well
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah. About nine minutes in, I think is
Speaker 1: when all the death stuff is. So yeah, check it out. Well,
Speaker 1: we have run out of time. Kurt, thanks for showing
Speaker 1: up even though you were late, but it was well
Speaker 1: well worth it. Nate, thanks for bringing it. But I'm
Speaker 1: just naying, you know, Kurt, No, you want to When
Speaker 1: I find Nate he hangs out, which this is what
Speaker 1: gets me. Hangs out. Which hosted two shows, two shows
Speaker 1: I hosted, and you know how uh Douglas described him.
Speaker 1: I was very NPR like, I don't we need you
Speaker 1: here for the energy man? That was solid. I mean,
Speaker 1: so the content was at the speed kind of boring, right,
Speaker 1: So I didn't NPR is just a different time of day,
Speaker 1: different we're at We're right at noon. We're getting people
Speaker 1: ready to we need food, we need Shannon's Happy Yard,
Speaker 1: getting ready to hit the town. Energy. We need to
Speaker 1: do this show from West any Man isn't as dvs
Speaker 1: Ida Coveny, Grandmama Douglas. Thanks for doing what you do, Kent,
Speaker 1: thanks for pushing all the buttons. We will be back
Speaker 1: next Monday at eleven I guess yes, normal time, normal day.
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