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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode seventy four of the

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Speaker 1: Hemmer Territory Podcast. I'm your host, Brad Roland, coming to

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Speaker 1: you deep into the night here on a Sunday it's

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Speaker 1: officially September, and I'm joined as I always am, by

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Speaker 1: Scott Coleman. Scott, it was not the series that we

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Speaker 1: wanted to be talking about on a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Night, Hey, Brad, No, it certainly was not. A very

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Speaker 2: frustrating last couple of games here in Philadelphia, and very

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Speaker 2: quickly now there's only four weeks left in the regular season.

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Speaker 2: So this time in four weeks, unless there is I

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Speaker 2: don't even think they do like the game one sixty

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Speaker 2: three anymore. I think there's like a mathematical or computer tiebreaker.

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Speaker 2: But this time four weeks. Right now, as a recording,

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Speaker 2: the regular season is over and the Bravest playoff chances

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Speaker 2: are very much in the balance right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is very much the case. And if you

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Speaker 1: are a new listener, we should tell you at the

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Speaker 1: top of the podcast we are part of the Foul

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Speaker 1: over there, So check us out on that platform. But

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Speaker 1: you know we're coming to you Labor Day weekend. It's

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Speaker 1: Sunday evening and the four game series in Philadelphia is finished.

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Speaker 1: We should also plug that there was a new episode

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Speaker 1: from our colleagues Sean Coleman, Steve and Tolbert on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: so they focused heavily on the first two games in

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Speaker 1: the series. We want we will not re litigate all

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Speaker 1: of that because that was the reason why that podcast happened.

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Speaker 1: But big picture, you mentioned it before, four games to

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Speaker 1: go four weeks ago in the season, twenty five games

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Speaker 1: remaining in the season and to lose three or four

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia was not what the doctor ordered. I will

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Speaker 1: just ask you this, Scott, because it's the topic that

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Speaker 1: we're all talking about right now. Big picture topic anyway,

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Speaker 1: is the NL East Division race over because coming into

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Speaker 1: the series, we did kind of talk about this if

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Speaker 1: they needed to kind of win it or at least

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Speaker 1: whole steady and they did not do that, losing three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with four weeks to go, the Braves are now

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Speaker 2: seven back in the East. Mathematically, is it over? No,

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Speaker 2: of course not, and stranger things have happened, But especially

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Speaker 2: the fact that now the Braves are done with the

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Speaker 2: Phillies head to head in the regular season, it is very,

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Speaker 2: very difficult to make up that kind of ground without

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Speaker 2: the benefit of having a series, which really I mean

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Speaker 2: to me, I think Sewn and Stephen talked about this

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Speaker 2: the other night, but it feels like Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: needs to figure out a way, even with the balance schedule,

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Speaker 2: to have a way for division rivals, especially good division rivals,

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Speaker 2: to play each other later in the calendar than September. First,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing here? I mean, even

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Speaker 2: the Braves and the Mets only have one series left

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Speaker 1: It's very odd.

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Speaker 2: But to answer your question, I would give it like

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Speaker 2: a ninety eight percent chance that Philadelphia takes it, and

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Speaker 2: obviously something would have to happen pretty drastic in the

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Speaker 2: next seven to ten days if the Braves are going

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Speaker 2: let alone overtaking Philly. We agree there, and one of

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Speaker 2: the bits of this shows that we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be the hot take folks that are going to declare

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Speaker 2: things over. At the same time, I think you're right,

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Speaker 2: it's it's like five percent or less. I have not

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Speaker 1: Updated Fangrass model or anything like that about what what

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Speaker 1: but the Braves do have the ty Ricker, which does

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's nothing nil on the coffin, but certainly

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Speaker 1: wildcard race is far from secure at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: In fact, as we record this while on Sunday evening,

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Speaker 1: But do you want to weigh in on the Snicker

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Speaker 1: of it all because it's going to come back later

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Speaker 2: Do I want to weigh in? No, but I guess

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Speaker 2: I will. I mean, let me say this right off

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Speaker 2: And when you manage the bullpen, really, I mean the

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Speaker 2: Dylan Lee. What was especially frustrating about the loss on

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Speaker 2: really felt like Thursday and Friday nights were the Braves'

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Speaker 2: best chances, at least on paper, to win a couple

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Speaker 2: of games, and as we outlined a couple of days

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Speaker 2: this series. You go two and two, the division is

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Speaker 2: as many games as you can in the wild Card.

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Speaker 2: But Thursday's loss especially was for my money, the most

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Speaker 2: frustrating of the three losses, because the Braves had that

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Speaker 2: game one they should have won, and it really was

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Speaker 2: just awful bullpen management as the reason the team blew up.

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Speaker 2: I believe afore nothing lead, right, We're going to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I tweeted this before we started the show tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know, the simple, big picture take is that you

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened with the Braves. And I do

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Speaker 1: think that Sunday's game was a little bit less frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It was certainly frustrating. There was a lot to get

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Speaker 1: But I also reached out to a couple of women

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Speaker 1: find somebody that liked the decision. But yeah, that was tough.

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Speaker 1: line we'll try out to do that all tonight about

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Speaker 1: Sunday's game. But I have a list, Scott, I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you. I have a list of things for

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Speaker 1: went with the what with what you live with? Because

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Speaker 1: while we're gonna get into some stuff that happened on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the Braves scored two runs in twenty plus innings over

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Speaker 1: you can't score runs. And yet it was pitching decisions

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Speaker 2: And to me, this weekend felt like the first time

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Speaker 2: the Braves just absolutely missed Austin Reiley and obviously Kunya

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Speaker 2: just felt like the talent disparity between these two clubs

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Speaker 2: and the Braves just felt flat and at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we outlined this on social media

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Speaker 2: It is challenging to consistently win baseball games when the

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Speaker 1: it because he just he walks. That's what he did.

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Speaker 1: He walks. He can run, and I don't really care

435
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Speaker 1: about the running, but I know Brian Sticker probably does

436
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Speaker 1: care about the speed, but he takes walks, so Laire

437
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Speaker 1: and Maryfield take walks and that's why they're up there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't love any of it, to be honest.

439
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Speaker 1: But Merrifield probably shouldn't be there if you see it

440
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Speaker 1: one or twenty seven over a week.

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Speaker 2: So maybe the answer is then against right handed pitching

442
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Speaker 2: you have Michael Harris up there, and against lefties you

443
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Speaker 2: have so Laire or maybe Merryfield. I don't know. I mean,

444
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Speaker 2: you're right, I mean the other answer is, yeah, it

445
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Speaker 2: should be rond to Cunees Junior doing his incredible things.

446
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Speaker 2: I believe either today or yesterday was the one year

447
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Speaker 2: anniversary of him doing the forty forty club, and there

448
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Speaker 2: was a video clip that circled and it was like, man,

449
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Speaker 2: I miss watching Ronald play baseball. But you know, to

450
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Speaker 2: talk about the offense as a whole on Sunday night,

451
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Speaker 2: it wasn't as if they didn't have opportunities, including the

452
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Speaker 2: ghost runner in the tenth and eleventh innings. The Braves

453
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Speaker 2: had the leadoff runner on five innings in a row.

454
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Speaker 2: They had leadoff walks or singles in the seventh, in

455
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Speaker 2: the eighth and the ninth couldn't do anything with him,

456
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Speaker 2: and then of course could not score the ghost runner

457
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Speaker 2: in either extra ending and that is just so unbelievably frustrating.

458
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Speaker 2: And there was a basis loaded situation which made me

459
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Speaker 2: want to bang my head against the wall, and just

460
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, man, there are some really bad hitters

461
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Speaker 2: in that lineup, especially when you have sub substituted some

462
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Speaker 2: of them out for defense or pinch running or whatever

463
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Speaker 2: they had to do tonight. But I mean, dear God, Brad,

464
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Speaker 2: it was I mean, I was just wanting to almost

465
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Speaker 2: be put out of my misery because the offense was

466
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Speaker 2: so bad tonight.

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Speaker 1: It was quite frustrating. You gave a bunch of good

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Speaker 1: stats there. I will add one. They were zero of

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Speaker 1: ten with running scoring position in the game, which is

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Speaker 1: makes some sense if you watched it. Lown opportunities all

471
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Speaker 1: the way around. In an effort to not make this

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Speaker 1: podcast ninety minutes long in playoff style, we want to

473
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Speaker 1: go through the entirety of the stretch run of this game.

474
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Speaker 1: But the ninth inning, as you mentioned, is worth talking about.

475
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Speaker 1: That load. The bases went out with Matt Olson singling,

476
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Speaker 1: and then back to back walks from Merrifield and Ramon Law,

477
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Speaker 1: who was pinch hitting for Jered Kellnick by the way,

478
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Speaker 1: a great play appearance. We should have be shot him

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Speaker 1: out from Loriano following all that, but the next batter

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Speaker 1: was Orlando Arcia, who we should at least acknowledge. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, he's not been very good, but he

482
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Speaker 1: did it too. He did it too and runs this

483
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Speaker 1: week and he's been better the last I don't know,

484
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Speaker 1: a month and a half or something like that. But basically,

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Speaker 1: the worst approach you could possibly have is when a

486
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Speaker 1: guy walks back to back batters to load the bases,

487
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Speaker 1: what you don't want to do is go up there

488
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Speaker 1: and swing at the first three pitches that you see.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Arcia did, and none of them are

490
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Speaker 1: great pitches. He just went up hacking. I don't know

491
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Speaker 1: if he was got too hot because he was getting

492
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Speaker 1: booed lustily as nothing as the word that Dave O'Brien used,

493
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Speaker 1: that was probably the accurate word, but no matter why

494
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Speaker 1: he did it, that was about as bad as the

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Speaker 1: play of Paris as you'll ever see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, at the risk of repeating everything you

497
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Speaker 2: just said, Brad, I have no other takes. It was

498
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Speaker 2: so bad. In the moment when a reliever has loaded

499
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Speaker 2: the bases and has no idea where the baseball is

500
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Speaker 2: going when it comes out of his hand, the only

501
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Speaker 2: thing you should not do is hack away at every

502
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Speaker 2: pitch you see, and that is what Orlando did. I

503
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Speaker 2: believe the first pitch he filed off and it was

504
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Speaker 2: like a borderline strike, and then the next two weren't

505
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Speaker 2: even in the zone. They were up and away, and

506
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Speaker 2: then to do a you know, an infield pop up

507
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Speaker 2: is is I mean, it's it's basically a strikeout in

508
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Speaker 2: the eyes of the advanced metrics in terms of productivity.

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Speaker 2: It just so bad and so frustrating. And I know

510
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Speaker 2: Orlando has been a little better recently. He had the

511
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Speaker 2: great game on Friday night. But and don't we don't

512
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Speaker 2: have to turn this into an off season podcast, but

513
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Speaker 2: they have to. They have to be better at shortstop

514
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Speaker 2: next season. I don't care how they do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we won't do that now, but you're you one

516
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Speaker 1: hundred percent right, And yes, Tobaccio, I just looked for us.

517
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Speaker 1: The first pitch of the play appearances was in the

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Speaker 1: strike zone, but it was on the fringe of it.

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Speaker 1: And the second and third pitches were both clear not strikes.

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Speaker 1: So tough scene there from Orlando. And then they had

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Speaker 1: another chance right after that. Luke Williams, though, was up

522
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Speaker 1: and while you would like you would love to pinch

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Speaker 1: it for Luke Williams. They couldn't because they had used

524
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Speaker 1: everyone they possibly could have used other than Sean Murphy

525
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Speaker 1: and snit just will never use a sketcher, and they

526
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Speaker 1: had no one to put at third base, so it

527
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Speaker 1: had to be Luke Williams batspot for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Actually had pret display appearance. I thought if that had

529
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Speaker 1: been with one out, it would have scored a run.

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Speaker 1: He flew out to relatively deep centerfield, but it didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: That was the end of that, and then an extra innings.

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Speaker 1: At the risk of avoiding play by play, they just

533
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Speaker 1: did nothing. They at least in the tenth inning and

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Speaker 1: they got no one. In fact, they didn't even move

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Speaker 1: the runner in the tenth which is like almost hard

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Speaker 1: to do. And then he and the eleventh inning they did.

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Speaker 1: Olsen did his job. He got the runner to third base,

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Speaker 1: went out, and then you get a ground bowl, a

539
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Speaker 1: ground ball by Darnaut that was kind of not in

540
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Speaker 1: the greatest spot in the world. You got a slower

541
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Speaker 1: runner at third base in Azuna, who again they can't

542
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Speaker 1: take out because they have no way to run for him,

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Speaker 1: and Mary Fell strikes out, and that is the end.

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Speaker 2: Of that. Yeah, you know, all the substitutions laid, especially

545
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Speaker 2: doing things like taking Jorges so Layer out in a

546
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Speaker 2: tie game.

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Speaker 1: That's what I don't get. If they'd been winning, I

548
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Speaker 1: would have totally understood that, But of course I had

549
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Speaker 1: to make sure that I had that I had that right,

550
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Speaker 1: because I was like, wait, did they take him out

551
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Speaker 1: in a tie game in the eighth inning for defense?

552
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Speaker 1: When he's like, is he the second missiter on the

553
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Speaker 1: team right now? I think the third best? Oh yeah,

554
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Speaker 1: I forgot about metals In a second, he's been really

555
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Speaker 1: good lately, but yeah, certainly not no lower than than third.

556
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Speaker 1: And I know he's bad defensively, he's awful, don't get

557
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Speaker 1: me wrong, But man, if you're winning, I get it.

558
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Speaker 1: But that hurt them somebody I can't remember who was

559
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: now some my apologies. This is just want to throw

560
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Speaker 1: this at you without any context. It felt like a

561
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Speaker 1: Freddy Gonzales game, oh man, because Freddy used to overmanage

562
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Speaker 1: like crazy, like he would just do stuff. He just

563
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Speaker 1: smashed buttons, and it felt like that was what Snid

564
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Speaker 1: did in the entirety of the later portion of this game,

565
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Speaker 1: like he used the entire bench some of them were

566
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Speaker 1: obvious decisions, like I was fine with hitting moreanto for

567
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Speaker 1: Kellen A Canciletti, for instance. That's that's the stuff that

568
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Speaker 1: you can go ahead and do. But when you have

569
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Speaker 1: a you don't have a lot of depth right now,

570
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Speaker 1: it just was not the best.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, probably need to be a little more selective

572
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Speaker 2: with your decisions. I mean even you know, maybe we'll

573
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Speaker 2: talk now about Spencer Schwallenbach in the sixth inning that

574
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: went sideways, but you know, even bringing in Dylan Lee

575
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Speaker 2: and then removing him from the game after only three pitches, why.

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Speaker 1: Does he hatel Lee? Why does hate Dylan Lee? I'm kidding,

577
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Speaker 1: but I'm also not kidding because like they just Lee

578
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Speaker 1: and Bummer and this is not new ground for us,

579
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Speaker 1: but Sneed just does not, for whatever reason, trust Dylan

580
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Speaker 1: Lee or Bummer. And I don't understand why.

581
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Speaker 2: I I don't either. I mean I I genuinely I

582
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Speaker 2: was tweet storming the other night. Imagine that, and I've

583
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Speaker 2: never done that, and you know, it's like Aaron Bummer.

584
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Speaker 2: What more do these two lefties need to do to

585
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Speaker 2: gain some trust by the manager. I mean, they have

586
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: been statistically. This isn't even just our opinions, like, statistically speaking,

587
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: these have been two of the best left handed relievers

588
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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball this season, and it feels like

589
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: it's pulling teeth in order for either of them to

590
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Speaker 2: get multiple endings of work or leverage. I guess Dylan

591
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: Lee got a big spot tonight. But you know, even

592
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Speaker 2: pulling Aaron Bummer in the eleventh for Grand Holmes, who

593
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Speaker 2: decided another fastball down the middle to Nick Cassianos was a.

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Speaker 1: Good idea with two strike with two strikes, Yeah, I.

595
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Speaker 2: Mean, it's just it is so unbelievably frustrating, and I mean,

596
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Speaker 2: this was a bad weekend for Brian Snitker.

597
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, it was it was. It was not good,

598
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Speaker 1: and we're trying out to do the entire every single decision.

599
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Speaker 1: But maybe we'll just do it a roundabout way back

600
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Speaker 1: to schwollenback because we talked about the the offensive failures

601
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Speaker 1: throughout the game. Scholduck was awesome for the most part, right,

602
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: so he throws five and two thirds. It gets shocks

603
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Speaker 1: up after giving up two runs to tie the game

604
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Speaker 1: in the sixth. The only thing that he didn't do

605
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: in this game was miss bats, And I guess that

606
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what you can where you could sort

607
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: of nitpick it is that he didn't miss bats and

608
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Speaker 1: that kind of led us some bad luck going against

609
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Speaker 1: I guess him in a sixtending that Bryce harper sixty

610
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: four mile an hour flare that lands right inside the

611
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: left field line with two outs was like the all

612
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Speaker 1: time alarm bell, like, oh, this is about to go bad.

613
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Speaker 1: And then of course Castianus, who always kills everyone, ties

614
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: the game. I'll ask you this, did you, in the

615
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Speaker 1: moment think about the Braves taking Schwallon back out of

616
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Speaker 1: the game. This is a discussion that was happening online

617
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Speaker 1: both during and after.

618
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Speaker 2: I would have left Schwan back in.

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Speaker 1: What would you have done? I didn't think that. For me,

620
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Speaker 1: I would not have taken him out. I thought it

621
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Speaker 1: was closer than some people did, like just to be fair,

622
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Speaker 1: So we killed snit on Thursday, right, It was a

623
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Speaker 1: different situation because Charlie had thrown like twenty more pitches,

624
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Speaker 1: I think, and as much as I love Charlie, the

625
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Speaker 1: current baseline of Charlie is lower than the current baseline

626
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Speaker 1: of specially spun back, which matters. But I will also

627
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Speaker 1: say it was the third time through the order, and

628
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Speaker 1: it was the top of the order, and it's a

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Speaker 1: really good top of the order for Philly. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to tell me that you would have taken

631
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Speaker 1: him out, I will not argue with you. I think

632
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Speaker 1: that would have been totally fine. I will also say

633
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Speaker 1: that slowly finished with eighty two pitches, didn't really show

634
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Speaker 1: any signs of slowing down, and even the game tying

635
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: hit and the hit before that were not well struck,

636
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Speaker 1: Like he didn't get rocked in the ending at all.

637
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Speaker 1: So this is one where there is some nuance. Like

638
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Speaker 1: I do think that the more like analytically driven folks

639
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Speaker 1: that I tenderly in that way anyway, were like, hey,

640
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Speaker 1: take him out the third time in the order, And

641
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Speaker 1: if you want to be firm about that, I do

642
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Speaker 1: get it. I was fine leaving him in, and I

643
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Speaker 1: think in the moment I was not thinking take him out,

644
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Speaker 1: take him out, to take him out, like I wasn't Thursday.

645
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with all of that, And I

646
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Speaker 2: mean I think it was just a real genuine bummer

647
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Speaker 2: that the game finished the way it did for Schwalenbach.

648
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Speaker 2: Yeah two very Yeah, I mean he was fantastic. Not

649
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: only was Schwalenbach fantastic tonight, but this was also the

650
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: third time that he has started against the Phillies this season,

651
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: including his start a week ago. I mean that that's

652
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: really tough to do for a bunch of good veteran

653
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: hitters in the Philly lineup. To see Schwalenbach for fifteen

654
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: innings and maybe nine or ten plate appearance is a piece.

655
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really impressive what he was able to

656
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: do tonight. And in the sixth he got two outs

657
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: on five pitches and then a good piece of hitting

658
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: from Trade Turner and then very unfortunately a one to

659
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: two pitch off the plate that Bryce Harper bloops down

660
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: the line, and then O two he gets up on Castianos.

661
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: You knows, as you pointed out, it wasn't exactly a

662
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: rocket into the gap. It was just kind of a

663
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: curveball that backed up and Castianos got his bad round

664
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: on it. Sure you would have loved if Spencer would

665
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: have buried a slider there and gotten the strikeout, and

666
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: then who knows how the rest of the game would

667
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: have played out. But to come full circle, he was very,

668
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: very good and really I had no issue with leaving

669
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Speaker 2: him out there for the sixth inning because A it

670
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: just I mean, it happened so fast, but b righty

671
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: on righty eighty pitches and he had run into really

672
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: no drama before then. It was a apples to Orange's

673
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: situation from Charlie Morton a couple of nights ago.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, biggest start of his life, unequivocally National TV,

675
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: Phillies in Philly pits. Really well, he's been great all

676
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: year long. We've lauded him enough, but man, he was

677
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: really good and not his fault at all. Because to

678
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: bring things full circle on two different fronts from earlier

679
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: in the podcast, you shouldn't be in a position where

680
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you have to be perfect to win a game, and

681
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: they were asking to be perfect. And then also you

682
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: just as you were saying that all the names you

683
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: just named is a reminder of the talent of sparity

684
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: one more time, Trey Turner, Bryce Harper, Nick Castianos is

685
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: not a threesome of the Braves have right now. That's

686
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: who tied the game against the Braves and then ultimately

687
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: beat them at the end.

688
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean this just felt like for the Phillies,

689
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: it felt like a bigger series for the Phillies in

690
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: the sense of just their energy was better. And I'm

691
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: sure they're feeding off their crowd and everything, and it's

692
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: a great home field advantage. They've been very, very good

693
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: in that ballpark. But you know, the Phillies have talked openly,

694
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: especially in spring training, about they had a goal, like

695
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: an active team goal, to dethrone the Braves, kind of

696
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: a why not us, why can't we win the division?

697
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Speaker 2: And it felt like this weekend for many many reasons,

698
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: was kind of the tipping point in that effort. And

699
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll have to see how the final four

700
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: weeks go. But credit to the Phillies who did a

701
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: much better job of executing this week than the Braves did.

702
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Certainly, one more thing I have to ask you on

703
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: the process side of things, what did you make I

704
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: know we kind of talked about it earlier in the podcast,

705
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: very briefly, but the decision to go to Holmes in

706
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the Aaron Bummer experience in the what

707
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: was the eleventh inning, tenth thning, eleventh thinning.

708
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: So.

709
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Speaker 1: I was I will say this it was not as

710
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: universal as the important thing. But I did a little

711
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: bit of polling before we started the podcast from Phillies

712
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: people from non Braised people, and it was kind of

713
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the same reaction like, I don't understand why the Braves

714
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: did that. Grant Holmes, I will acknowledge is better that

715
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: people probably realize he is nationally because he was He's

716
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: been good this year. But he just gave up a

717
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: home run to Castianos earlier in those series. And the

718
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: guy behind Castianos, respectfully is not Castianos, and they had

719
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: a base open, so they could have just even if

720
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Speaker 1: they were terrified of bummer facing Castianas, you could have

721
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Speaker 1: just disched around him.

722
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. I

723
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: would have had bummer face Castianos and just pitch him carefully.

724
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: And I mean Castianos will expand the zone. He has

725
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: one of the highest swing rates of anybody in baseball.

726
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: So the fact that you a took bumber out of

727
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: the game and b Grant Holmes, just I mean it

728
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: was almost like a picture perfect replica from a couple

729
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: of nights ago. A fastball right in the middle of

730
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: the plate that Castianos did not miss and.

731
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Speaker 1: Middle middle with two strikes to new Castianos. And for

732
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: all the memes like he just destroys that pitch, like

733
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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't know.

734
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just it was a I

735
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: mean I kind of thought, I can't remember if it

736
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: was the tenth or the eleventh, but somebody on Philly

737
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: had a blooper down the right field line to the

738
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere and it went foul by like maybe

739
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: half an inch.

740
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it was, it was. It was

741
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: right before. I mean, also, Schober hit a one hundred

742
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: and eleven mile an hour absolute rocket right at Michael Harris.

743
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: So the Braves did have some positive fortune earlier than this,

744
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: but it kind of ran out at that point. Yeah.

745
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: So, I mean, a deflating way to lose, A painful

746
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: loss on Sunday, a painful loss on Thursday. Just you know,

747
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: it felt like the Braves left some meat on the

748
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 2: bone this weekend and at the very least you would

749
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: have hoped for two wins to split the series, yes.

750
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Speaker 1: And uh, to leave it there, and we'll get into

751
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: sort of our our sign off thoughts on little you know,

752
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: roster stuff and the schedule. But you said it earlier.

753
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Tough one for Brian Snicker over the weekend tough one

754
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: for the Braves in general division, certainly in peril and

755
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: playoff playoff run now is no long It's not it

756
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: was never a lock in a couple of weeks, but

757
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: even looking a little bit less likely than it was

758
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: only a few days ago. A couple of news and

759
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: notes nuggets before we get out of here. Former het

760
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: hematritory guest Buster Ony of ESPN actually on the broadcast

761
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: and I said, on the positive side that he is

762
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: hearing that there is quote confidence that Austin Riley will

763
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: be back closer to the six week timetable. If you

764
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: remember this, the Brapes announced when he went down it

765
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: was six to eight weeks projection. If six weeks is

766
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: the closer projection right now and Buster is plugged in,

767
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: this is kind of a bit of funny synergy. The

768
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: last game of the regular season is exactly as you

769
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: said before, six weeks from today. So if that actually

770
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: is true, that would mean that maybe Riley can be

771
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: ready for the playoffs if they exist. It's a small update,

772
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: but give what we just said before about the importance

773
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: of having one of your absolute stars, and that's what

774
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Austin Riley is, you might if be rusting all that stuff.

775
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: But I think that we can probably agree you'd rather

776
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: have him in there than anybody else.

777
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: I think it's obviously encouraging that Buster, who is very

778
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: keyed in, felt that he could report that on Sunday

779
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: night and known for Austin even if he could maybe,

780
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: you know, with a couple of days left in the

781
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: regular season, be able to do some stimulated game work

782
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: and see live pitching. Now, I think in a postseason

783
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: series it would be man, you would be asking a

784
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: lot for Austin to come back and just immediately go

785
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: into a postseason series without any kind of live action.

786
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: But I mean I would take a recovering from a

787
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: broken hand Austin Riley over Geo or Schella quite obviously.

788
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But I guess the fact that as

789
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: the calendar flips to September there is at least somewhat

790
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: of a chance that Austin will be back for the

791
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: playoffs is good news, and we'll just have to see

792
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: how he progresses.

793
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got four weeks from today basically because Austin

794
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: went down two weeks ago today, he's got four more

795
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: weeks if that's the correct timetable, And you never want

796
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: to hold to being that firm, but I agree it

797
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: was an encouraging report from Buster. The roster expanded at

798
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: September first, of course, so you got to add two players.

799
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: We talked about it a little bit last week, but

800
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: Eli White was the no brainer position player, you know,

801
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: base runner, defender, all that stuff. There was a lot

802
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: of reaction about the pitcher that the Braves added, because

803
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: it's not das Bill Hernandez. There's kind of two prongs here.

804
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: Number one is that baseball Hernandez is not as good

805
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: as people want to think that he is probably right now.

806
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: And also John Brebia, who was the guy that they

807
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: brought in. He was actually wait by Chicago and signed

808
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of a project in the maybe the pitcher version

809
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: of Ramo Loreano or one of these guys. They're kind

810
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: of buying super low on and trying to rehab. But

811
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: what did you make of all this? Because I think

812
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: the reaction was largely negative from Brace fans than I saw.

813
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, I mean, I like days Beell, but there's

814
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: this notion that he's Craig Kimbrel in his prime or

815
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: Mariano Rivera in his prime. And I mean, don't get

816
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: me wrong. I like Dazebell as a possible power arm.

817
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: The fact that he's been up and down, I mean,

818
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: I think it says something that he has not been

819
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: able to get a call up and has not been

820
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: able to stick, and he is a guy who has

821
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: had command issues. He has walked, yeah, walked a lot

822
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: of batters with Gwenett. In his last two appearances, daze

823
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: Bell had four walks, a wild pitch and a hit

824
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: by pitch. So you know, again, I was I mean,

825
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: everybody was surprised by Brebia because he wasn't even known

826
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: to be in the organization before the Braves made the move.

827
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: He's you know, he was not great with the White Sox.

828
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: Although that is such a dumpster fire of a franchise

829
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: right now. I don't blame a veteran for maybe not

830
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: being able to figure things out there right now, it's

831
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: worth a flyer. I would like to think that Brebbia

832
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: will be able to get a couple of games in

833
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: this week and see if he's a possible arm. But

834
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: if it just isn't good for you first couple of

835
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: appearances for him, you can obviously move on without any

836
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: harm or damage, and then presumably it would be Day's

837
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: bell and they would give him an audition before a

838
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: possible postseason picture.

839
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key point there, is that there's something

840
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: that stops the Braves from bringing up Day's belt later on,

841
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: and it's a low cost, really zero cost flyer. And

842
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: Hernandus is like a has a fip around four engline

843
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: this year five and a half walks per nine. Like

844
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: he's not some dominant pitcher. So it's I understand that

845
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: it was surprising, but not a huge deal in my

846
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: opinion for sure. The other thing was more of a

847
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: field good store, maybe maybe a super Bylow Again, is

848
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: that Tyler massiks back? Now it's a minor league deal.

849
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: He's a Gwinette. Snitt had some possive stuff to say,

850
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: as you might imagine for Doler Matzick a fan and

851
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: organiditional favorites. He was waived by the Giants post trade

852
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: that he was involved in the Horristilar trade. Of course,

853
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: I expect nothing from Tyler Matick this year, but maybe

854
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, they could find something in him and you know,

855
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, he's just around and they like him.

856
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: So no downside.

857
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to have Tyler back. I mean obviously that

858
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: is a very deep connection for him and his family

859
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: and what he was able to do here In terms

860
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Speaker 2: of an impact this season, I'm still not holding my breath.

861
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: I think it would be quite a surprise. But you

862
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: do keep him around, and I mean, God forbid, something

863
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: happened to Dylan Lee or Aaron Bummer, then you at

864
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: least have I guess a small possibility that you could

865
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: call up Matsik to be the second left he out

866
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Speaker 2: of the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I don't want that to happen, all respect

868
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Speaker 1: Tyler mats I don't want that. Yeah.

869
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, man, I mean his health yeah, for

870
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: multiple years now, I mean really since twenty one. His

871
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: health just hasn't cooperated. But no, good to have Tyler around.

872
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: And if he wants to do another you know, no money,

873
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: prove it kind of deal for next season or maybe

874
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: a split contract. Sure, why not. The guy's a hero

875
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: and you can you can do worse if he's like

876
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: the number four lefty in your organization.

877
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Speaker 1: We are on the same page there all right from

878
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: here and we'll sign off. The Braves are inexplicably off

879
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: on Monday, which is Labor Day. I know what you said,

880
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: in the document that we have shared here. But I

881
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: don't think you like this, and I don't. I don't

882
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: like it either, Scott. Why am I playing tomorrow? Brutal?

883
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, come on, guys, there's Labor Day,

884
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: everyone's off or a lot of folks are off. We

885
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out a way to have a baseball game tomorrow.

886
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, maybe the bigger picture is

887
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: I am sure the Braves, like the players, are happy

888
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: to have the day off tomorrow. It's probably for the

889
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: best that the team isn't playing because they will not

890
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: be getting into Atlanta until very late tonight. But yeah,

891
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: no game on Monday. But then a like, okay, we

892
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: try to be nuanced with expectations in series. The Braves

893
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: need to sweep the Rockies, and I don't. I've rarely

894
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: said on the history.

895
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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna let me do it, Scott, I'm not

896
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do that.

897
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: There is okay. This team is currently two and four

898
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: this season against the Chicago White Sox and the Colorado Rockies.

899
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: You can't have that.

900
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: There is no excuse for that. I know, it's baseball.

901
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: I know.

902
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: Crap happens, trying to keep it family friendly here late

903
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: into Sunday night. But uh yeah, I mean, okay, you

904
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: must win the series, how about that?

905
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we agree on that part. And part of that's

906
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: because of the way that this series went. You know,

907
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: their refference that we always made last year was it

908
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: the Braves loss series to the A's, and the A's

909
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: are the worst team in the league and they lost. Seriously,

910
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: the A's' sele like stuff happens. But you're right that

911
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: given what we've just witnessed for four games, and three

912
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: of the four in particular, what you can afford after

913
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: an off day is to come home and lose the

914
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: series of the Rockies, and not even because of the vibes,

915
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: because of just the results, Like you have to bank

916
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: wins because making the playoffs is far, far, far from

917
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: a lock. Are they favor to make the playoffs? I

918
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: think yes, But they have a one game lain on

919
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: the Mets and even later this week. You know, the

920
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Blue Jays are not very good. They sold off a

921
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: little bit. They're out of five hundred. Like if you

922
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: want to go beyond like making sale games that much

923
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: more important. You got six games at home this week

924
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: against teams that you are better than even this version

925
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: of the Braves, this you know, battered injury plague, the

926
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: version of the Braves. You cannot go worse than four

927
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: and two this week.

928
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: You just can't.

929
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't afford to do it, given the

930
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: schedule and what's to come. Because after that, you go

931
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: to Washington, you play the Dodgers for four games. Yes

932
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: it's at home. That's the Dodgers. They're really good. You

933
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati, you gotta play the Mets at the

934
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: end of the year, and then the Royals are pretty

935
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: good too. So so this is your easiest stretch of

936
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: the remaining season by a lot.

937
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no excuses. If this team is going to

938
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, they have to take advantage of the

939
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: soft schedule when it presents itself. And that's something they

940
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: really have not done this season. They've been poor against

941
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: really look at like the bottom two teams in any division,

942
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: and they've struggled overall. I mean, it's just what it is.

943
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: They've been great. The Braves have been great against the

944
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: good teams. I actually think the Braves might have the

945
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: best record in the National League against teams above five hundred.

946
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: But what makes it even more frustrating is that they

947
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: will have letdowns against the Rockies and the A's and

948
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: the White Sox and you know, pick your bad team

949
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: of choice. But yes, three very winnable games against the

950
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: Colorado Rockies and then three more against the Blue Jays

951
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: who are just pretty much out of it and facing

952
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: a rebuild. But you have to, especially with six games

953
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: at home. Hopefully truest is pretty full and supporting the team,

954
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: and let's hope for a better week ahead after a

955
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: very very frustrating weekend in Philadelphia.

956
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: Yes, and they are at home. That makes it a

957
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: big difference too. Like I'm actually someone who probably downplayshumpful advantage,

958
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: but it does matter. And while they do have one

959
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: week later on where they play the Reds and the

960
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Marlins back to back, two teams that are not exactly

961
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: great either. The Marlins are brutal, but those are on

962
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: the road, and that makes it a little bit more difficult.

963
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: So I stand firm in my conviction this is the

964
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: easiest to get too serious stretch remaining on the calendar

965
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: for the Braves and winning some games this week would

966
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: be helpful. Speaking of that, the pitching matches are out

967
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: for the first series, it's Sale on Tuesday, followed by

968
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: Morton and Lopez. The Braves have a very clear pitching

969
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: advantage in all three games because the Rockies are not

970
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: pretty good. But you know, even even Charlie, who has

971
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: only been okay this year, has the advantage on Wednesday.

972
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: Sale of course, always has the advantage right now, and

973
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: then Lopez has been awesome recently since it came back

974
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: from the injury. So no excuses, like you said, and

975
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: we'll have full coverage of the week to come and

976
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: hopefully a little more upbeat on those pots. Guess Scott,

977
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: have we covered the gamut of the weekend? Am I

978
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: gonna be able to release you to go do something

979
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: else for Labor Day?

980
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we have done our due diligence to

981
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: talk about again. Just a bummer of a weekend, but hey,

982
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: it is September. The Braves are in the playoff picture,

983
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: and God, let's hope that this team can figure it

984
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: out over these last four weeks and hold off the

985
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: Mets and hold off a screaming hot Chicago White or

986
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: Chicago Whites Chicago Cubs, not the White Sox. The Cubs

987
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: are playing very good baseball.

988
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Scott, I gotta be honest with you, White Socks not

989
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: very good. I gotta be real about that. The White

990
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Sox are the worst team of all time. Maybe so.

991
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: The Chicago White Sox have won thirty one baseball games. Guests,

992
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: who two of those were against?

993
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, st out of the night before we sign off,

994
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: because it's almost been night Eastern. The White Sox are

995
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: currently thirty nine games behind the fourth place team in

996
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: the AL Central.

997
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty bad, Bob.

998
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: Okay, one more time, just to make sure that everybody

999
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: understood that there are five teams in the AL Central.

1000
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: They are thirty nine games worse than the fourth best

1001
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: team in the division. That is the book. That's the

1002
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: crazy thing I've ever seen in my life. I think

1003
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: they've lost ten in a row, thirty one, one o

1004
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: seven and you're right to those wins against the Braves.

1005
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: That is absolute wild stuff. Okay. Where we were as

1006
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: we were signing off this podcast, Scott, worker folks find

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Speaker 1: Oliver Musings. You were talking earlier about how you were

1008
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: firing a tweet storm, because that's so out of character

1009
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Speaker 1: for you. Worker folks, find.

1010
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: That I am at Scott Coleman fifty five and please

1011
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: everyone do follow the site at Hammered Territory. Brad mentioned

1012
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: it at the top of the show. Please also hit

1013
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Speaker 2: the subscribe and follow button on YouTube, which would help

1014
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1015
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: That's something that.

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Speaker 2: Management has asked us to do, so if you are

1017
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Speaker 2: so willing, thank you very much.

1018
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Speaker 1: And we also might might might go to video at

1019
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: some point. You never know every maybe I'm I'm not

1020
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Speaker 1: going to guarantee it, but I'm just saying you might.

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Speaker 1: You might see our shiny faces at some point if

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Speaker 1: you are a subscriber on YouTube. I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 1: us a favor every once in a while. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all we ask for this free podcast. It's a

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Speaker 1: free podcast. It's like four episodes a week, and we

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Speaker 1: definite appreciate the support. Anything else to plucks Scott.

1028
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Speaker 2: No hope. Everybody out there has a fantastic labor day

1029
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 2: and let's help when the Braves take the field on Tuesday.

1030
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: They play much better at hand these last couple of nights.

1031
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Speaker 1: That is an understatement, to be sure. All right, everybody,

1032
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Hopefully you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: show somewhere, driving, somewhere fun or something on Monday. We

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Speaker 1: made it to the end of the podcast. You do

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Speaker 1: have a rooting interest if you are a Braves fan

1036
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Speaker 1: on Monday, you want to watch baseball root against the Mets.

1037
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Speaker 1: The Mets play the Red Sox. It's a Monday night

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Speaker 1: game and that's one to circle because you want the

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Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox to win that game that will impact

1040
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Speaker 1: the Braves. Please subscribe to the podcast. We've already asked

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you all later on this week.