Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding dong?
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I miss you being in my
Speaker 1: physical space. I know, but I think this is better
Speaker 1: when we have a guest. It's better that we're the
Speaker 1: three of us are all in separate spaces so that
Speaker 1: there's no you know, we're not. I understand how it works, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't need you to sort of explain to me
Speaker 1: and micromanage my understanding. I just miss you, okay. And
Speaker 1: can we just be emotional for wance? Yes? You you
Speaker 1: know what. It's only ever vulnerable when it's on Matt's terms.
Speaker 1: I feel you're so stupid. Whenever I want to have
Speaker 1: a moment with my friend, the walls are up. That's
Speaker 1: actually it shields up. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know, but but but the roles switch from time
Speaker 1: to time, from time to time. Although anyway, I have
Speaker 1: to say, this is not the sort of note I
Speaker 1: wanted to start on. I wanted to start in a
Speaker 1: very celebratory note. What are we celebrating the female parts
Speaker 1: in Hamilton's Okay, okay, I skip the whole thing. I
Speaker 1: just go right to the Girls. Like when I found
Speaker 1: out that Disney Plus was streaming Hamilton's, I went right
Speaker 1: to um Ms Rennale's golds Barrier. Actually I watched Philip
Speaker 1: Asude Helpless, but I sort of needed to check in
Speaker 1: on all my favorite numbers. And I want to say,
Speaker 1: my I don't think so Honey is tied to this,
Speaker 1: but I am very happy that Hamilton's is on for
Speaker 1: the public consumption. We're going to get into the category fraud.
Speaker 1: That might be a play at the Oscars because it's
Speaker 1: eligible for Oscars and it might not. You had told
Speaker 1: me that it was eligible for Okay, so this question
Speaker 1: is actually just answered for me. Let me answer to this. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was. It is not eligible at the Oscars. Other
Speaker 1: awards are still possible. This is what just Jared reports,
Speaker 1: And this is just Jared. This is just Jared um
Speaker 1: So who knows, but it says the film version of
Speaker 1: that probably musical Hamilton's will not be nominated for any
Speaker 1: awards at Oscars because the film is not eligible. But
Speaker 1: let's see here, I don't know, maybe Emmy's, maybe Emmy's.
Speaker 1: We're going to figure this out. If anybody works um
Speaker 1: in any of the academies. Let us know what the
Speaker 1: esoterica is around this, because we'd love to find out more.
Speaker 1: But really, I was just I was just celebrating the
Speaker 1: performance of it all. They're wonderful performances. A lot of
Speaker 1: cultures happened in the last few days. Few days. Gillane
Speaker 1: is under arrest. Gilayne is arrested. Fire Island is basically canceled.
Speaker 1: Um geopolitically canceled. I would say, um, you wouldn't be
Speaker 1: caught dead going there, I think any more. Unfortunately, Um,
Speaker 1: so we're having to mourn that as sis gender gay
Speaker 1: men who have class privilege to go on vacation and
Speaker 1: then um gosh, so so much else right, So you
Speaker 1: will not be going to Fire Island this summer. I
Speaker 1: haven't ruled that out yet because I have stop I have,
Speaker 1: I have. I mean, I'll just say it. My friend
Speaker 1: Julio is there and he's just staying in the house,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna go down. Julio is going to go
Speaker 1: down with you right now. That's what you're saying. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If I were to go to Fire Island with my
Speaker 1: friend Julio for another week that we rented this house
Speaker 1: before the pandemic hit, then we're just going to stay
Speaker 1: in the house and not go out, which is kind
Speaker 1: of what you would, just stay in the house sort
Speaker 1: of sequestered, because you know what, I'm not even about
Speaker 1: the nightlife and the bars and the drinks and the
Speaker 1: key keying, and when when it's normal circumstances, you just
Speaker 1: have to go to the beach. I just know, I
Speaker 1: just want to sit by the pool and read. And
Speaker 1: I know that sounds so like I don't know, it
Speaker 1: sounds so rom comming and stupid, but that's truly what
Speaker 1: I like the most about those trips. Like you think,
Speaker 1: you think that you represent a boring character in the
Speaker 1: rom com that is, well, the one who sits by
Speaker 1: the by the pool and simply reads, simply reads. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's a trope that I am okay with with embodying,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Well, you know what happens
Speaker 1: to that character most of the time in romcoms when
Speaker 1: they come in and they're very much the person who
Speaker 1: reads by the pool, they usually end up having the
Speaker 1: wildest journey. They usually end up really sort of dating,
Speaker 1: you know, the wild child. What's there, what's like the flaw.
Speaker 1: What's like the inherent flaw in that character at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie and act one boring bitch, boring bitch,
Speaker 1: and then the opposite of that flaw is compelling bitch.
Speaker 1: Usually something well, something will have to happen to you
Speaker 1: that makes you say, you know what, I'm actually going out,
Speaker 1: and it's like everyone has to celebrate your choice to
Speaker 1: sort of like go out. The funny story is this
Speaker 1: actually is a blotline of a film you are going
Speaker 1: to play in the future. Oh, yes, that's true. Well
Speaker 1: we'll see, well, we'll see. Okay, so we So New
Speaker 1: York Magazine just came out with with it with its
Speaker 1: TV issue, I would say. So, there's there's the Michaela
Speaker 1: Michaela Cole profile. I'm Alex phenomenal, I cried at the end. Um,
Speaker 1: there's the Quimby piece um and uh. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of just good TV journalism going on right now
Speaker 1: because it's Emmy season. Who cares um our guests of
Speaker 1: people care, a lot of people care. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't I shouldn't be And we have an emy contender
Speaker 1: here in the chat. Actually, have we actually have too
Speaker 1: emy contend Sure? Of the Chat. I forgot I was
Speaker 1: also eligible. We have Supporting Actor in a Comedy contender
Speaker 1: Boon Yang here today in the Chat. And Boon Yang
Speaker 1: is eligible for Amy nominations this year as an actor. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it is for his work on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: And Akafena is nor from Queen's title a short title.
Speaker 1: And our second Emmy contender is my co host. He
Speaker 1: is is eligible for Outstanding Game Show short note. I'm
Speaker 1: not eligible for that, even though I make a real
Speaker 1: run for What Are You? What? Are eligible for this
Speaker 1: Outstanding short Form Non fictional Reality Program for game show. Yes,
Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny, tiny title for a category, tiny titoc
Speaker 1: for a category, but not tiny title of the work
Speaker 1: of the No. Let me say the size does not
Speaker 1: matter when it comes to how good a television program
Speaker 1: can be. Absolutely not. That's why we have James Cordon
Speaker 1: Carpool Karaoke win every year. I mean, that's art and
Speaker 1: that deserves the Emmy's. And that's a long title. I
Speaker 1: am so excited that our guest is here. We've wanted
Speaker 1: to have her on for so long. We booked her
Speaker 1: pre pandemic even Yeah, and I want to find out
Speaker 1: what she thinks of the Emmy chances of us. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want her, I really trust her. I feel
Speaker 1: like she's this pre eminent she's this pre eminent Twitter voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're constantly scrolling when when you and I
Speaker 1: are together, Matt, we're constantly scrolling through her through the day.
Speaker 1: We haven't been known to go right to the page
Speaker 1: and just go ha ha ha ha ha hunter Hunter,
Speaker 1: We go ha ha ha Oh billions not nominated logging
Speaker 1: off photo of Phaedra Parks. You know, we laugh and laugh.
Speaker 1: She is. Her writing is so phenomenal. She just wrote
Speaker 1: some She just wrote an amazing short profile in him
Speaker 1: Um and she wrote this piece on James Cameron's I
Speaker 1: was just mentioning that I was thick into the articles
Speaker 1: she just wrote, which is, you know, all about James
Speaker 1: Cameron's announcements of Avatar sequels. It's not about James Cameron's Avatar,
Speaker 1: about the announcements of new dates, new information about advertisacles,
Speaker 1: which has been really a cinematic narrative on its own. Amazing,
Speaker 1: and we thank her for that writing. We also thank
Speaker 1: her for the writing the article she resurfaces every July
Speaker 1: four about Jackie and I actually and then I inspired
Speaker 1: me to watch Jackie the other night, and I forgot
Speaker 1: how wonderful of the movie it is. Well, one thing
Speaker 1: I love about our guest is she doesn't let things
Speaker 1: just like us, and so she has not let Stars
Speaker 1: Born go just like you have not let I mean,
Speaker 1: she doesn't let things go, and I identify with that
Speaker 1: as someone who just on our last episode, I think
Speaker 1: you and I both share this. We talked a lot
Speaker 1: about the Stars Born, including why did you do that?
Speaker 1: Do that? Do that? Do that? Do that? To me? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like she is also the sort of also
Speaker 1: the pre eminent voice on the Stars Born. So we're
Speaker 1: so excited to have her. She's a she's a writer
Speaker 1: at Vulture, um and uh famed skin care routine that
Speaker 1: we all are still talking about, glowing this day, clothing,
Speaker 1: glowing in the chat pods. I'd be glowing on Zoom
Speaker 1: early front runner for title of EPP glowing on Zoom. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're blasting out her ears. She just took her
Speaker 1: air pods out. Um but okay, I'm go ahead, i' mute.
Speaker 1: So everyone, please welcome into your ears. Hunter Harris, Okay, hi, panicking,
Speaker 1: I've gone through two thoughts of headphones and through the
Speaker 1: course of this be Okay, the first thing I want
Speaker 1: to say is don't panic. I want you to just breathe.
Speaker 1: All right, So we are back and something revolutionary has happened.
Speaker 1: We had to stop and figure it out. But we did.
Speaker 1: We did. We did. Hunter talk to us about where
Speaker 1: your head's at and with with with the Emmy race
Speaker 1: right now, what are your feelings, what are yours thoughts,
Speaker 1: feelings and pots? Okay, so my only real thought about
Speaker 1: the Emmys is the way that IMDb will prioritize a
Speaker 1: Golden Globe nomination or win over Emmy nomination or wait, um,
Speaker 1: that just makes no sense to me considering who actually
Speaker 1: votes for the Golden Globes. But otherwise I feel, as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just along for the ride. I'm along
Speaker 1: for the ride too, and I feel that isn't it
Speaker 1: funny that there was ever a time when we thought
Speaker 1: the Goal Globes were like of prestige, Like I remember
Speaker 1: being little and like watching and being like, well, the
Speaker 1: Golden Globes are like one of the biggest ever like you,
Speaker 1: And then you really find out that it's like foreign
Speaker 1: journalists right truly, like you can count on one hand,
Speaker 1: the people who vote for the Golden Globes, and also
Speaker 1: they all like, I think it was last year, um,
Speaker 1: when a Golden Globe voter profile drew Barrymore for some
Speaker 1: like very small, very random magazine and all of the
Speaker 1: quotes were fabricated. Oh my god, miss you, this was
Speaker 1: I think it was last year the year before. Um,
Speaker 1: But like so many of the quotes like didn't make sense,
Speaker 1: and it came out somehow that she that the reporter
Speaker 1: who wrote this, who is a Golden Globes voter again
Speaker 1: to say, um, she like took quotes from that she
Speaker 1: ever heard, or something from like a junket somewhere and
Speaker 1: sort of pretended there was a piece to write. And
Speaker 1: they're still in the Hollywood FORIGN Press Association. There's still
Speaker 1: a voter. I think you could truly just have a
Speaker 1: pile of bodies. And yeah, so I'll say when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Emmy's I you know, I'm just as
Speaker 1: curious as the next gal. Sure, okay, can ask you
Speaker 1: can ask a dumbn question in what ways I AMDB
Speaker 1: prioritizing Golden Globes wins over Emmy's wins? Like it's like
Speaker 1: in the star Meter, it's like you not in the
Speaker 1: star meter. It's like when you're on someone's actual profile.
Speaker 1: It will like there's like that little yellow box that
Speaker 1: I not madd for two Oscars or like to win
Speaker 1: something like one Golden right, but the Emmys, you truly
Speaker 1: have to click on it and go to the full
Speaker 1: awards page to see any Emmy nominations or wins, which
Speaker 1: I think is a hilarious metric play there's play. And
Speaker 1: speaking of long names of categories, my favorite category ever
Speaker 1: is supporting Actress an a made for television movie, mini
Speaker 1: series or limited series, like just like the longest title
Speaker 1: for anything, and then they fit like truly, like Laura
Speaker 1: during his performance in there with like someone who is
Speaker 1: in like a mini series only you've seen on the BBC,
Speaker 1: Like it's just so funny and like also comedy and drama,
Speaker 1: just like the the spectacle that is the placement of
Speaker 1: categories when it comes to the Golden Globes is something
Speaker 1: I love. Oh yes, absolutely. Now, Hunter, I've heard you
Speaker 1: talking interviews about how as a journalist maybe you enjoy
Speaker 1: writing about film more than about TV or is that
Speaker 1: is that is that a fair assessment? Do you still
Speaker 1: feel that way now where you do and somebodys. I
Speaker 1: just watched so many more movies, and I have like
Speaker 1: a much clearer sense of like film history and not
Speaker 1: so much TV history. So I do feel like I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit more in my depth when it comes
Speaker 1: to movies. Um, and that is primarily what I cover
Speaker 1: of ulture. Yes, because you're not. Because you have you
Speaker 1: can be conclusive about what your assessment is over of
Speaker 1: a film more than you can a TV show where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I wonder what will happen next season,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's it's TV is a little
Speaker 1: bit more boundless in that way, which is good. And
Speaker 1: also there's so many more hands in a TV show.
Speaker 1: And you know, one movie, so you would say that
Speaker 1: when it comes to and when we say film, what
Speaker 1: we mean is Avatar. And so when it comes to
Speaker 1: the film the film industry's future, what are we looking
Speaker 1: at here? And can you shed light on just so
Speaker 1: we can sort of manage our expectations about the next
Speaker 1: time we'll see NATERI yes, I think honestly we'll get
Speaker 1: an Avatar movie every five years until I fucking die.
Speaker 1: James Cameron will not stop. Um, he I think he's
Speaker 1: locked himself into a cryo chamber like a horcrux. Hays
Speaker 1: have their own cryo chamber so that so that we'll
Speaker 1: just get them forever. I remember one of my colleagues,
Speaker 1: Kyle Buchanan, whenever James Cameron announced, um, that was gonna
Speaker 1: make all these Avatar sequels. It was like, originally just
Speaker 1: one sequel, and then it became like Kyle said, like
Speaker 1: r A P. James Cameron will miss you making regular
Speaker 1: movies and not just Avatar until the end of the world. Um.
Speaker 1: But no, it's funny. I actually have not seen the
Speaker 1: entirety of the Avatar movie have not. I haven't. I
Speaker 1: just it's it's long. I just couldn't get into it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's long. Sitaneum. No, Sam Worthington never came
Speaker 1: to fruition. Um, it's weird that he is the star
Speaker 1: of the biggest film of all time. He was an
Speaker 1: approximately one film and it was that. I mean, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you are forgetting that he did it at least one
Speaker 1: like Christian Movie. Yes, I think it was The Shock,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure the Shack. Yes, was Octavia Spencer
Speaker 1: in the show? I think she was. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes right she had a career after that and he didn't. Octavia.
Speaker 1: Octavia's checking every box she needs to right now. I
Speaker 1: feel like mam is such a jackpot for her because
Speaker 1: she had Like now she's part of a modern camp classic,
Speaker 1: I feel, and now she gets to like go on
Speaker 1: and keep like getting nominated for these supporting actress roles
Speaker 1: that are like emotional labor role. I don't know whatever
Speaker 1: Octavia I mean, I hope she gets nominated for like
Speaker 1: a media role that is not her, like being someone's sidekick.
Speaker 1: But I feel like with Ma, she really like cash
Speaker 1: that in quick and good, and now she doesn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about that just cultural capital exactly. The cash
Speaker 1: is the what I what I was kind of floored
Speaker 1: came and went was her show Truth Be Told on
Speaker 1: Apple TV Plus or whatever, which was basically murder she podcasted. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it was like literally it was murder she wrote, but
Speaker 1: she had a podcast, and I literally thought, wasn't she
Speaker 1: supposed to redo Murder? She wrote? Were they not rebooting murder?
Speaker 1: She wrote? With her with Octavia, I thought they were?
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I saw the show
Speaker 1: Truth Be Told, and I was like, what is this
Speaker 1: because I never heard about it at all. All I
Speaker 1: heard about from that whole entire endeavor was The Morning Show,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what is this and when is
Speaker 1: it coming out? And then I realized that it had
Speaker 1: come out four months prior and it was literally the
Speaker 1: trailer was murder she podcasted, and I was like, did
Speaker 1: this become this? Or? I mean who? Who? Can never
Speaker 1: know with with these like streaming launches anymore, But can
Speaker 1: we talk about how there is there has not been
Speaker 1: like a successful streaming platform launch that I can think of,
Speaker 1: besides not I mean Disney Plus. Yeah, okay, because because
Speaker 1: but we're all doing these report cards on like HBO
Speaker 1: Max you know, uh what like Apple TV Plus and
Speaker 1: like Quimby it's like quick bite, huge success. But like
Speaker 1: and like obviously like the report card is like they're
Speaker 1: not they didn't do great or they didn't impact as
Speaker 1: well as they wanted to. But like I feel like
Speaker 1: the besides Disney Plus, like what has been like in
Speaker 1: recent memory, like the big streaming platform like Unveiling that's
Speaker 1: launched that's been like gangbusters, you know, I think HBO
Speaker 1: Max has been successful because they do have a big
Speaker 1: backlog of movies that were like previously unavailable, it seems,
Speaker 1: um but again, I did watch only one HBO Max
Speaker 1: show and it was truly the worst thing I've ever
Speaker 1: subpected myself to which one was the Ana Kendrick show,
Speaker 1: Yeave Life? Yeah, I literally can't. I can't even try. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Well I respect that. Um, I just was wallowing and
Speaker 1: I had to do something. But even even for you,
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't appreciate how ridiculous it is
Speaker 1: or or is it not even that interesting? It's like
Speaker 1: tubanal to be good. It was just too it was
Speaker 1: too crazy to be good to me. It was like
Speaker 1: they're so out there. It was so like what was
Speaker 1: out there about it? I don't know much about it? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Every episode is a relationship in
Speaker 1: her life with a man, and I think like half
Speaker 1: way through the season, it's a flashback to the antakentric
Speaker 1: character when she's twelve and she has a crush on
Speaker 1: a boy and he like sort of ghost her and
Speaker 1: they're at boarding school and then she tells everyone she
Speaker 1: has cancer and to gain sympathy obviously, and then she
Speaker 1: meets him at a bar like eight years later, and
Speaker 1: they want to, you know, kiss, and then she runs away.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do this same time, I cannot.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good, But for me, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even get there because I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be saying things like this, like but I
Speaker 1: just can't. I cannot with any So many bad wigs
Speaker 1: also got us to that point. Was like it was
Speaker 1: it was, it was too much. It was too much.
Speaker 1: I feel bad talking about Ana Kendrick because we have
Speaker 1: the same birthday and that's the first thing I think about,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to attack someone with the same
Speaker 1: birthday as you, and that it's the holy day, you know.
Speaker 1: So what sign is that, Leo, we both have Whitney
Speaker 1: Houston's birthday. Okay, so yeah, we we're not going to
Speaker 1: speak ill of the girl because clearly there's something there
Speaker 1: that puts her in line with Hunter and Whitney. The
Speaker 1: two sort of one name icons. Those are the true
Speaker 1: Whitney and actually it's a retal culture number forty three,
Speaker 1: the two sort of one name name and Whitney. Let's
Speaker 1: let's quickly sidebar on this because I feel like we
Speaker 1: haven't really for this yet celebrities you share birthdays with,
Speaker 1: is there like an implicit like connection empathy there? Like
Speaker 1: I feel this way about Ethan Hawk and i'm A
Speaker 1: Stone and Seal. Even these are the three people I
Speaker 1: share birthdays with, and I'm like, don't go for them,
Speaker 1: don't don't come for them. Those are my those are
Speaker 1: my people, you know. And Ethan Hawk and Emma Stone
Speaker 1: and Seal. Isn't that great? Such a mixed bag? I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like three very different people, and I count
Speaker 1: I don't really find like I have that much in
Speaker 1: common with the three of them, but I feel connected
Speaker 1: to them. Matt, do you know who you're actually am
Speaker 1: literally a twin with the person that is shares my
Speaker 1: birthday with? And do we know who this person is?
Speaker 1: Even Mendes, Me and even Mendes have predibly similar Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have very similar energies. Like it's actually kind of
Speaker 1: sort of bring the same vibe you. Actually, I'm not
Speaker 1: even joking, this is true, you guys. Yes, And also
Speaker 1: I have to say, the other young girl I share
Speaker 1: a birthday with is someone who's It's almost like the
Speaker 1: industry has decided that she's famous or maybe RuPaul's drag
Speaker 1: Race has decided that she's famous. But Madison Beer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that young girl, Madison Beer gonna
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to google that one. Well, let me
Speaker 1: say she's she's recently become famous in the eyes of
Speaker 1: drag Race because she's guest judged and she's been a
Speaker 1: quote unquote celebrity contestant. I don't know who she is
Speaker 1: or what she does, but we do have the same birthday,
Speaker 1: and she's really stormed onto the scene apparently because list
Speaker 1: of famous birthdays March five, she's first, and then even
Speaker 1: Mendez a second. Okay, that's disrespect, It's it's insane disrespect.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, is she like a gen Z thing?
Speaker 1: And then maybe I'm maybe, I'm no what s e
Speaker 1: O is? And then they just like figured out they
Speaker 1: called Google. She's an American singer, says Wikipedia. Okay, well, now, Hunter,
Speaker 1: this adds so much more depth to whenever you use
Speaker 1: a Whitney gift, I would say, oh, yes, of course,
Speaker 1: this huge. I feel like you and you and I
Speaker 1: are are the I keep saying this word but pre eminent,
Speaker 1: but it applies, folks. Pre eminent Whitney gift a deployer,
Speaker 1: I would say, and that's a huge honor, and that's history,
Speaker 1: and that's history, and that that's history. That is a moment,
Speaker 1: most pleasing to me, most a moment. Wow. I mean
Speaker 1: she really like that. That meme has really the test
Speaker 1: of time in terms of the past two years, it's
Speaker 1: been a thing. I don't see it going anywhere when
Speaker 1: he really was a trope of good memes. I mean,
Speaker 1: second only to like Tiffany Pollard or unique. Really everything
Speaker 1: she did was funny. Well, Matt, you and I saw
Speaker 1: Brandy Cinderella the other night. It's on YouTube, um, and
Speaker 1: she is just turning in a solid performance there, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, They're like, but there there's still like
Speaker 1: this very like meme friendly quality to it. I think, Matt,
Speaker 1: you're making a face. Well, I would say this. I
Speaker 1: would say, is it as much of a performance as
Speaker 1: it is Whitney Houston come in there and being Whitney Houston. Yes,
Speaker 1: but that's really all you need. But it's just like
Speaker 1: the way she lands the words. I'm like, she is
Speaker 1: so she's funny. She's funny. She is you get the
Speaker 1: sense that she was like such a funny, fun person
Speaker 1: to be around. And also when you watch like archival
Speaker 1: footage of her and Brandy in the studio, like Brandy singing,
Speaker 1: she goes, why are you down there? Formative? Formative to
Speaker 1: me formative, but you get that it's like she's just
Speaker 1: trying to help Brandy. But it's that sort of thing
Speaker 1: where it's just like yelling yes, yes, yes, wow. I
Speaker 1: feel like Hunter is this very is this very exciting
Speaker 1: um purveyor of culture, and she's serving it up to
Speaker 1: all of us and we're like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: and she's the authority on this. So why let's just
Speaker 1: talk about why a star is born? Why? Jackie? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Why your touchstones? Because I feel like you have a
Speaker 1: rotation going anything Hunter, would you say that's fair? I
Speaker 1: guess I do. Um, I actually have a Jackie poster
Speaker 1: rate very good? What star is Born? Memorabilia? Do you
Speaker 1: have anything? Okay, well, there is a photo on my refrigerator. Um,
Speaker 1: and I have, I guess just the record physical record,
Speaker 1: like I take it from the National Board of Review
Speaker 1: Aweards honestly ten of ten. Yeah, like photos in it
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. Um, I was like the
Speaker 1: physical product but also the music. Yeah. Um, what else
Speaker 1: I have. So I had like a makeup artist, like
Speaker 1: like pre coronavirus obviously, and she was like looking around
Speaker 1: my apartment like do you work in movies? And I
Speaker 1: was like yes, and like look you at like a
Speaker 1: Succession poster on the wall and a Jackie poster. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean no, um, it was so embarrassing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I just like movies that
Speaker 1: are fun to talk about and also things that just
Speaker 1: like stick in my brain. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I can't let stuff go. You like, just I
Speaker 1: like what I like so specifically I know same. I
Speaker 1: trust I identified with this, and I think what you
Speaker 1: like and are is you like stunts? You like things
Speaker 1: that are going to be that are easy polls like
Speaker 1: I think like once lady got got turned around and
Speaker 1: said what and he said, just want to take another
Speaker 1: look at you? You probably felt like a sort of elation, right, yes,
Speaker 1: oh yes, as send to a higher level of being.
Speaker 1: It's like drama, And to me, that's what makes movies good.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like, like if it's a little
Speaker 1: campy or stupid, as long as it's memorable and it
Speaker 1: made you feel something like, give me movies like that
Speaker 1: nine times out of time. I think absolutely, absolutely yes.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Hunter has the same ear for
Speaker 1: phonetics the way that Matt and I think we do.
Speaker 1: Where like Matt and I like connected over the way
Speaker 1: people deliver lines. But Hunter wrote a whole Vulture piece
Speaker 1: about the way Peter Peter Starsard says what do we accomplish?
Speaker 1: In Jackie? And like that's like and it's only because
Speaker 1: of the way he delivers that line or the way
Speaker 1: he pronounces accomplished, right, like dig into this. Yes, So
Speaker 1: in Jackie, it really does not make sense to me
Speaker 1: why Peter stars Guard is there um playing Bobby Kennedy,
Speaker 1: because it just like does not he does not like
Speaker 1: match the energy batal department in this movie, so it
Speaker 1: kind of feels like an odd match. Um. But he
Speaker 1: has this scene where he's like very distraught and he
Speaker 1: turns around and like with utter serious says, what are
Speaker 1: we accomplished? And it's like and that's like not even
Speaker 1: how it said. But here in my brain, it only
Speaker 1: matters how it travels through times, does It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how it was said. It matters how it travels through
Speaker 1: time and space. Yes, it's just like so just wrong,
Speaker 1: and I can't get enough of it. I just I
Speaker 1: love the meeting of like this very serious, very like
Speaker 1: Oscar Baity movie. And I say that with love because
Speaker 1: I do love this movie and the way that he
Speaker 1: is like so obviously out of his depth, but the
Speaker 1: way that he's like still going for it, but the
Speaker 1: way that it just like stops your heartbeat. It's so wrong.
Speaker 1: I love this. It's that one line that plays on
Speaker 1: a loop in your head. Yes, and that's what leads
Speaker 1: to the damn chain of pieces. I'm actually reading yours
Speaker 1: on Closer right now. So can you what is the
Speaker 1: one line Closer that plays on a loop in your head? Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's so many and Closer because I was
Speaker 1: active on Tumblr and yeah and it was. We can
Speaker 1: say the reason why Closer really hits is because it's
Speaker 1: one of the horniest movies of all time and because
Speaker 1: everyone in it is hot, which is important. Um, and
Speaker 1: Closer it's Oh, it's like the classic line, um, lying
Speaker 1: is the most fun a girl can have without taking
Speaker 1: her clothes off. She's got a ton and she makes
Speaker 1: the most out of literally almost everything she's given, which
Speaker 1: is like it's a very stagy like written movie. But
Speaker 1: she does, she does give you I Don't Love You Anymore,
Speaker 1: goodbye and Hello Stranger, and there's just a lot going
Speaker 1: on and it's it is camp and it is sort
Speaker 1: of like it's again it's they happen in the movie,
Speaker 1: but they travel through time. And even the way she
Speaker 1: says my name is Alice Airs, You're like, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Nichols, it's sober that it's in Mike Nichols movie.
Speaker 1: To me, it's always been like, it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: fit into the Mike Nichols like like you know, sort
Speaker 1: of like whatever that it just doesn't. It just it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like one of his things anyway. That's just
Speaker 1: my straight observation. Everything every line in that movie is like,
Speaker 1: so it's so pithy. It's like the hottest person you
Speaker 1: know on their most clever day, and it's like, just
Speaker 1: give me like a slice of that, the hottest person
Speaker 1: you know on their most clever day. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just definitely something people would say. Then we have
Speaker 1: in Social Network. You did a piece on Social Network
Speaker 1: which is let's gut the Frigging Nerd, which again, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that jumps out. I just watched
Speaker 1: the Solcia Network the other night and I was like,
Speaker 1: there's something about this movie, and it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a need to be quotable, but
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes it's like when a movie is trying
Speaker 1: to be quotable, you have to say, oh, honey, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's every Er and Sorkin movie.
Speaker 1: But but but this one like works because the story
Speaker 1: is compelling and it's like it I feel like it
Speaker 1: does speak to our generation, which is something I think
Speaker 1: that should be sort of um noted when when something
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's hard to note when something
Speaker 1: is speaking for your generation and feels of the moment
Speaker 1: in the moment. But it's like when you look back
Speaker 1: at the Oscars of that year and you see that
Speaker 1: the King's speech took best picture of that year, It's
Speaker 1: like that movie could have been made any time, with anyone,
Speaker 1: by anyone. It felt like Sorkin writing about Facebook in
Speaker 1: that way. At that time, I felt like a moment
Speaker 1: that we didn't appreciate, and so I'm willing to forgive.
Speaker 1: It's like little little moments where it's so impressed with
Speaker 1: itself because it should be. It like is impressive, it's good. Well,
Speaker 1: all the Army Hammer and maximung Gelli scenes are I
Speaker 1: don't care for and it must have been like that
Speaker 1: it was hard to shoot around Army playing both parts
Speaker 1: twins or whatever, and so like both of them feel
Speaker 1: roboutic in this way. Um, but social it's soberd to
Speaker 1: watch it now and to like hear things like friend
Speaker 1: request or remember like like the scenes where they would
Speaker 1: come up with these like now like the relationships, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh yeah, like someone had to come
Speaker 1: up with that and like probably felt excited. I don't
Speaker 1: know that's it's. I think it's someone probably a vulture
Speaker 1: wrote about how it's like a more relevant watch now
Speaker 1: than it was when it came out yes for our
Speaker 1: Fighting Movie Club a couple of weeks ago. But I
Speaker 1: think it is. I mean to Matt's earlier point. I
Speaker 1: think it is a movie and a script where the
Speaker 1: dialogue takes itself as seriously as the people saying it.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, like I think perfectly matched to write
Speaker 1: someone who is like arrogant, obnoxious and like thinks everything
Speaker 1: they say is actually so quotable, because like they're writing
Speaker 1: their own history as they're living it. And that's like
Speaker 1: I think why it's it's like a prescient movie because
Speaker 1: that's how we live now. It's like to be documented
Speaker 1: and recorded. I also think that he is a really
Speaker 1: I I really like his work because and this is
Speaker 1: the way I would sort of consider Shonda Rhymes too.
Speaker 1: It's like they get dazzle, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like this is the movies, and so we should be
Speaker 1: entertained by the way that people speak and act and react.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's sort of whenever anyone's like,
Speaker 1: do people talk like this, I'm like, people don't. Aren't
Speaker 1: in movies all the time, and so we can be like,
Speaker 1: for example, that first scene we talked a lot when
Speaker 1: we did our list, one of the most impactful moments
Speaker 1: in culture history, as we've said it is Rooney Mara
Speaker 1: and the Social Network. And it's like you would if
Speaker 1: you were her in that movie, you would walk away
Speaker 1: from that table five minutes conversation because it's so insane.
Speaker 1: But I do love that the movie is like, watch
Speaker 1: what a spectacular asshole he is, and like we're going
Speaker 1: to write it spectacularly, So I'm into it. Oh, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back and
Speaker 1: ask Hunt with the question. Okay, it's time to the
Speaker 1: question and we're back. So now let's ask Hunter Harris
Speaker 1: the question. I'm so excited and curious to know what
Speaker 1: the answer is. Hunter, What is the culture that made
Speaker 1: you say culture is for me? This is the formative
Speaker 1: culture that made you step into a cultural direction. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like I promise I'm not pandering, but it's
Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovich. Oh my god. Okay, let's tell you. You
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I watched Aaron Brockovitch between
Speaker 1: ages like twelve and fifteen. It might have been at
Speaker 1: least I mean it was minimum twice a week. Wow,
Speaker 1: I broke the DVD. I did have a portable DVD player.
Speaker 1: Then I watched it on UM and I'm just telling you,
Speaker 1: I saw that movie and it was like, Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go, here we go? Now what was it? Two questions?
Speaker 1: What was it about it that hooked you so? And
Speaker 1: another thing is what why was that movie so available?
Speaker 1: Didn't it feel like it was always on? Like for
Speaker 1: some reason people are age that like, didn't we're not
Speaker 1: the demographic for that, but we have such a sort
Speaker 1: of vocabulary for it. My theory is, before Hunter goes,
Speaker 1: please answer those questions, but my theory is that it
Speaker 1: is the quintessential based on a true story movie. I
Speaker 1: think not not like maybe not it's not the most
Speaker 1: important or biggest one, but like to me, it feels
Speaker 1: like it's about what this one person did and I
Speaker 1: don't know, like came from her circumstances to do this thing,
Speaker 1: and she's like and it's great cinema just to walk
Speaker 1: to just just watch Julia Roberts like curse and be
Speaker 1: that woman. That's my like, yes, a morphous theory, but Hunter, yes,
Speaker 1: what like, what is the appeal the perennial appeal to you?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's accommoation everything you guys just
Speaker 1: said that it was always on TV as felt that
Speaker 1: way for a certain amount of time, and before it
Speaker 1: was even always on TV, it was always like at
Speaker 1: my local Blockbuster and I would just see it and
Speaker 1: not know what it was um And then I just
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Julie Roberts. I think she's like
Speaker 1: even the performances of hers that I don't like, I
Speaker 1: love Um Closer is like kind of one of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I think that it is like
Speaker 1: seeing an incredibly famous person in a new way and
Speaker 1: seeing them how you always kind of suspect or hope
Speaker 1: they active life on screen. I think that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Um And also, like is a Steven Soderberg movie, Like
Speaker 1: it is just so watchfol it has so much momentum,
Speaker 1: and and she is like how everyone wants to be
Speaker 1: Like you want to be like that, like fun and crass,
Speaker 1: and you want to have her boobs and you want
Speaker 1: to have her legs, and like even when I'm like,
Speaker 1: I guess Aaron Eckhart is hot, I don't know. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I completely forget he's even in it until he appears
Speaker 1: on screen every single time. I'm like, so the Julia Show,
Speaker 1: and I think, like it really is a perfect storm
Speaker 1: because it's a Julia Roberts who was the biggest star
Speaker 1: in the world be you heard that she was getting
Speaker 1: incredible oscar worthy reviews, So there's that. Then you see
Speaker 1: what it is and she is super sexed up and
Speaker 1: she's cursing, So there's like this edge that you're curious
Speaker 1: about that's like sort of when it goes hand in
Speaker 1: hand with everything else, you're like, how could this not
Speaker 1: be the moment? And then when it like fulfills itself
Speaker 1: by being a box office success and getting the Oscars,
Speaker 1: it like cement its moment in history. And I have
Speaker 1: to say I am ashamed and embarrassed that it did
Speaker 1: not make the list. Wow. Yeah, absolutely agree. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's I feel like that is the among the
Speaker 1: more quotable films of that period right as well, just
Speaker 1: so happens, I think I look nice And as long
Speaker 1: as I have one assen city too, that's okay with you.
Speaker 1: Those ties anyway, Never forget that's all you got, lady,
Speaker 1: two wrong feet and ugly shoes. Dazzle me. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have to dazzle me. What is
Speaker 1: the line where she's like, um oh fuck, it's like
Speaker 1: the other lawyer and she's like, how did you get
Speaker 1: like six D and fifty three signatures? Blow jobs? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what he says. What makes you think you can
Speaker 1: just walk in there and get what we need? I know,
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about. And then she said, I
Speaker 1: perform six sexual favors. I'm quite tired. Yes, very good,
Speaker 1: very good. And also I mean her talk about dazzled me.
Speaker 1: The monologue that she delivers to Aaron a cart when
Speaker 1: he asked for her number. Oh yes, that with all
Speaker 1: the numbers I just gave you. I'm guessing zerious times
Speaker 1: you're going to call it. You know, Shawanda studied that
Speaker 1: specific monologue. And also it's like such a like a
Speaker 1: perfect match of like type of dialogue and performer like
Speaker 1: she is. You can tell, and I love Julia, but
Speaker 1: you can tell whether it's explicit or implicit. She can
Speaker 1: be I'll you know, she can get what she wants
Speaker 1: and she's Julia Roberts. She's Julia Roberts, and like I
Speaker 1: have heard every now and then that like you know,
Speaker 1: she can be sort of like she gets what she wants.
Speaker 1: She is the biggest movie star in the world. And
Speaker 1: you know you don't get that. I think by being
Speaker 1: necessarily the nicest person in the room. But who who
Speaker 1: needs the nice care I don't. I want someone who
Speaker 1: can do what she does in Aaron Brockovich and she
Speaker 1: can speak to me however she actually wants to for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I saw that movie and
Speaker 1: it just like set my brain on fire. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is China, so we all know
Speaker 1: what is exactly. I honestly, especially now with coronavirus, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to snitch Aaron Brockovich every single day, Like
Speaker 1: this is not how things are supposed to be run. Yes,
Speaker 1: we all have to be Aaron brocko in this time.
Speaker 1: I just have to. I think the most electric moment
Speaker 1: in the movie for me is where Ed fires her
Speaker 1: and she she storms in and she goes, what was
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? Checking every two seconds? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: called accountability. I'm not talking to you, bitch. It's that
Speaker 1: scene is so perfect and that performance, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And Farrell put some respect on her ferrel Conchata's name
Speaker 1: because she was also iconic two and a half men Fish, Yes,
Speaker 1: and rest in peace, rest in piece, any rest in piece.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic. And also, wait, we're forgetting about the miss
Speaker 1: Wichita monologue with the flannel and the crown, which I
Speaker 1: actually I went to school for screenwriting. I went to
Speaker 1: school for for TV writing, and I had I had
Speaker 1: like a minor in screenwriting. Is weird the way that
Speaker 1: NYU dramatic writing worked Like I studied all of it.
Speaker 1: And I had a screenwriting teacher refer to this moment
Speaker 1: as some a really good example of when you get
Speaker 1: sort of the motive, the underlying motivation of a character.
Speaker 1: And she referred to moments in other screenplays as the
Speaker 1: miss Wichita monol moment. And that comes like in the
Speaker 1: middle of the movie. Yeah, we were watching some of
Speaker 1: the movie and she was like, and this is miss
Speaker 1: Wichita And I was like, you're rock incredible. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that one. There's a lot of money we
Speaker 1: gave to the institution. Um, but yeah, no that Um
Speaker 1: what does she says? She says, um, are you going
Speaker 1: to be something I have to Are you going to
Speaker 1: be another thing I have to survive? Because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you the truth, I don't think I'm up to it.
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time, Like if milk
Speaker 1: goes bad, it's like, are you gone? I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that's when I call him, because truly, it's like it
Speaker 1: sticks in my brain. Yeah, yeah, you should write about that.
Speaker 1: Would it be like a like like a one line
Speaker 1: that plays in a loop, or would it be like
Speaker 1: a more holistic giview of it? Because you need to,
Speaker 1: like you love this movie. It's clear I do love
Speaker 1: this movie. How would you want to approach it? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It might be a one line thing or
Speaker 1: I just oh my god, I love this movie. It's
Speaker 1: just so good. You know what's interesting to think about
Speaker 1: when it comes to Julia Roberts. I feel like, because
Speaker 1: she was like the A list actress when we were
Speaker 1: sort of growing up, we feel like she was always
Speaker 1: around UM kind of her like big moment right like
Speaker 1: after Mystic Pretty Woman, and so she became like a
Speaker 1: huge star. But when Aaron Brockovich came out, she had
Speaker 1: only been famous for like ten eleven years, and so
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to think, like, this is the time
Speaker 1: and an actress's career when they sort of coronate her,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I read one time
Speaker 1: that the mean age of the Best Actress winner is
Speaker 1: twenty nine, which when you're younger doesn't seem like like crazy,
Speaker 1: but then when you get hit thirty, you're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: the moment in an actress's career year when they decide
Speaker 1: this is the moment we're rewarding her as like roughly
Speaker 1: ten years in when they're twenty nine they win Best Actress,
Speaker 1: they have the moment and then there's that period afterwards.
Speaker 1: So it's like two things with Julia. It's like understanding
Speaker 1: that that's where she was at that moment. We just
Speaker 1: thought she was like the A list actress, always was
Speaker 1: always just going to be. But like the decisions that
Speaker 1: she's had to make sense that moment on her career
Speaker 1: when she was a not only just the box office
Speaker 1: phenomenon of the nineties, but also she ended the nineties
Speaker 1: winning an oscar and that it's been twenty years since
Speaker 1: that happened and she has still been able to sort
Speaker 1: of like be interesting, Like I think that her performance
Speaker 1: in Homecoming is one of the better TV performances we've seen.
Speaker 1: And to talk about her in August Osage County, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's really decided to stick with developing as
Speaker 1: an actress and not like do box office, box office,
Speaker 1: box office, or or be behind the scenes person. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting the way that these hands are dealt to
Speaker 1: young women because the industry is like figure it out now,
Speaker 1: like we're not going to help you as much. It
Speaker 1: feels right. But it's interesting to me to think about
Speaker 1: Julia in the past twenty years, since I'm only now
Speaker 1: realizing that's how long it's been since Aaron Brockovich. See
Speaker 1: that hurt when you said years, doesn't it hurt? You
Speaker 1: could have just rounded down, not said anything at all,
Speaker 1: But it's important to note you could have said she
Speaker 1: got the statue in one, so it's only could. I
Speaker 1: could have softened the blow a little bit, but I refuse.
Speaker 1: It's Corona and I'm I'm I'm delivering hard blows. It
Speaker 1: has been two decades since Aaron Brockovich fever. It feels
Speaker 1: just like yesterday. The all. The other thing I want
Speaker 1: to say about Aaron Brockovitch Is as a movie is
Speaker 1: that it shows like the real so cal I think
Speaker 1: where it's like, right, I feel like you're seeing like
Speaker 1: what l A Is actually like and it's not disclamorized
Speaker 1: version of it, but it's like the very grounded realist
Speaker 1: like Steven Soderbergh, like here's like the way that like magic.
Speaker 1: Mike was like, this is kind of the real Vegas
Speaker 1: and kind of in all it's gritty glory, like you
Speaker 1: were seeing like Irvine and I don't know, just like
Speaker 1: or Inland Emmpie kind of California. Am I making any sense?
Speaker 1: Was Magic? Mike and Vegas. The second one, oh no, no, no, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: never Tampa cut that famously, Tampa, no, don't cut it
Speaker 1: out like the real we see the real raw, And
Speaker 1: then I meant Tampa Steven Soderberg's Tampa. Well, now my
Speaker 1: point is completely Well he is like that that visual
Speaker 1: style that always makes it look like it's like five
Speaker 1: thirty you know what I mean, Yeah, you're about to
Speaker 1: be yes, yes, you, and you've been working all day.
Speaker 1: In every shot when she would get home, like and
Speaker 1: those like horrible shots of like her going through her
Speaker 1: apartment like that was like the cockroaches running around. I
Speaker 1: so anxious and tense for her. When she gets hit
Speaker 1: by the car. I mean that's at the end of
Speaker 1: a workday. Yeah, that's at the end of a workday.
Speaker 1: The filter says she's been working a bunch and also
Speaker 1: not for nothing. But this is part of the script
Speaker 1: that she really sells, is when the cockroach runs across
Speaker 1: the drains and she throws the plates and she goes
Speaker 1: who lives? Like this? When she's when she's trying to
Speaker 1: find a new job and she's just like looking at
Speaker 1: the newspaper and just it with her left hand. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you go left handed? Doesn't make sense, But I just
Speaker 1: love that line. That asshole smashed in my fucking neck, open,
Speaker 1: open and shut when she goes um when she's commonly
Speaker 1: giving her testimony and she goes and he came around
Speaker 1: the corner like a bad out. And then and then
Speaker 1: the guy is like a surgeon, spends his days saving lives.
Speaker 1: And then he says like, oh, you have two kids
Speaker 1: or you have three kids. She's like yeah. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: are their father is a father helping out? Yeah? Which one?
Speaker 1: You know? There's two? What's your point? And also, wait,
Speaker 1: another iconic part of the movie We Can't Forget is
Speaker 1: iconic Mark Helgenberger performance R Jones performance R Jones. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mark and Cherry both really deliver. I mean when when
Speaker 1: she tells Mark there's a problem with the water and
Speaker 1: then Mark runs out and she says, the kids girls
Speaker 1: get the pool and out of the pool, Get out
Speaker 1: of the pool. Yeah, what an amazing film. I might
Speaker 1: have to watch that soon. I might have to watch.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend has never seen it, okay, neither has mine,
Speaker 1: and he won't watch it with me. Why I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to make him watch it with me. And yet
Speaker 1: you can come over. Yes, he knows that if we
Speaker 1: watch together. I'm just gonna quote every lie. But did
Speaker 1: that with like half of the social network? Does your
Speaker 1: boyfriend love you? Then he should let you? Do you
Speaker 1: live together? Now we get personal, Hunter, I have to
Speaker 1: say something so out of pocket and maybe inappropriate. You
Speaker 1: have such a beautiful laugh, and this is your blessing
Speaker 1: the ears of everybody who gets to hear your laugh now, Hunter, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to toot my own horn, but yes,
Speaker 1: you have excellent laugh and I love to laugh. Say
Speaker 1: it loud, Laugh it proud. That's actually title of say
Speaker 1: it proud. Oh my god. So to think that, um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovich, Um, the film is now twenty years old,
Speaker 1: has shaken me to my core. But I would like
Speaker 1: to know um in the past year or so, because
Speaker 1: it's been like a pretty light year for movies, Like
Speaker 1: what have you said? What has come out? Has anything
Speaker 1: this year been like to you? Notable? Or you kind
Speaker 1: of forcing yourself to watch television these days because the
Speaker 1: prestige has had to move to the small screen or
Speaker 1: or are you into Quimby? I feel like when you
Speaker 1: said Quimby have to like say it three times, like
Speaker 1: quippy quippy quimby, You're not like cursed it. It's hard
Speaker 1: to just say it once. Um Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's been such a weird year because literally
Speaker 1: nothing has come out do the Oscars. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, they're I don't. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be such a weird award season that it's like
Speaker 1: not even gonna actually end up happening. Um. I mean
Speaker 1: the last movie I saw in theaters was never Barely
Speaker 1: sometimes always the Eliza Hitman UM like abortion teenage like
Speaker 1: drama said in New York City that I really loved um.
Speaker 1: And then before that, I was like really hype off
Speaker 1: of The Invisible Man. Yes, okay, I don't watch horror,
Speaker 1: but I heard it lit it up. It It's like
Speaker 1: been a minute since I was like, what were scared?
Speaker 1: I was scared, but I was also just like so
Speaker 1: just floored by everything that happens. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean she could. She could very well be nominated
Speaker 1: for an Oscar for that if nothing else comes out
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. I mean, we could
Speaker 1: be seeing that. I think sure, I mean, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get um tenant in you know, a month. Where do
Speaker 1: you stand on the tenant discourse? Okay? I I feel
Speaker 1: like it is gross and unethical and immoral to try
Speaker 1: to release a blockbuster movie in the middle of a
Speaker 1: global pandemic. That's just how I feel, and I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine anything more irresponsible. And I'm saying this to someone
Speaker 1: who wants to see the movie also understands when, what
Speaker 1: time we're living in? Um. But ultimately I think it
Speaker 1: will be as satisfying as a rather Christopher Nolan movie.
Speaker 1: And then some guy will trying to explain it to
Speaker 1: me and I'll say, you know, it is what it is, um,
Speaker 1: and how satisfying our Christopher Nolan movies too. You write
Speaker 1: as you except pre explanation of front by this asshole,
Speaker 1: whoever that person? Maybe? How are you a fan? I? Yes,
Speaker 1: I generally am a fan. I didn't like Interstellar. I
Speaker 1: didn't like the Prestige, but I did like Dunkirk enough,
Speaker 1: and I liked Inception enough and um oh Insomnia. I
Speaker 1: liked to the Pacino one. Right. I'm surprised you didn't
Speaker 1: like Interstellar more though, because they gave you. They gave
Speaker 1: you some dazzling, some dazzling drag in that movie. I
Speaker 1: feel like when like when Anne Hathaway tearfully explains that
Speaker 1: one of the one theory she has is that love
Speaker 1: is the answer, right, And the Ellen Burson scenes at
Speaker 1: the end are just so they really go there and
Speaker 1: person is in a hospital on like a ring like
Speaker 1: planet or something, or yeah, it's beautiful. It is drag.
Speaker 1: It's dragan. You did not enjoy it as much as Dunkirk,
Speaker 1: which I hated. I thought at least Dunkirk was like
Speaker 1: cool to look at. Um. And also every guy in
Speaker 1: dunker just like looked like someone I knew, So I
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, Um, he's like the crooked teeth version
Speaker 1: of my friends. I guess, um, you know what. I
Speaker 1: just remember. Timothy shallow May is an Interstellar Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you play the Sun. He's one of the kids. Oh god,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy to think that Timothy Shallowmy was just
Speaker 1: recently a working actor who you could see in such
Speaker 1: series as Homeland and did parts of Interstellar. And now
Speaker 1: he's like the moment in the moment, where do you
Speaker 1: stand on the Timothy Shallowmy versus Lucas hedges of it
Speaker 1: all Oh my god, I bet you have takes. I
Speaker 1: M a tough question. Lucas hasn't been in anything. He's
Speaker 1: been enough to compare them. Okay, all right. The last thing,
Speaker 1: Lucas stays out of the conversation though, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He does. He keeps to himself. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he's not He's not a capital S star. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is our star and actress debate. Timothy Shalloming is
Speaker 1: a star and Lucas Hedges is an an actor as Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think Lucas could be a star.
Speaker 1: He just chooses like not to be. He does have big,
Speaker 1: working actor energy. He is so good that I think
Speaker 1: he takes away from his own stardom because he's so
Speaker 1: sunk into the walls of the products. Like for example,
Speaker 1: I just watched Lady Bert again the other night, and
Speaker 1: this scene with Lucas Hedges, like when he's auditioning with
Speaker 1: giants in the sky, it's like you just you take
Speaker 1: for granted that he just feels like a kid doing it,
Speaker 1: and it's this, it's this genius performance of like that.
Speaker 1: I think he pulls off even better than Sarsha, which
Speaker 1: is like kid sort of trying his best to do
Speaker 1: this but still thinking about the fact that he's auditioning.
Speaker 1: It just feels so authentic. And then his coming out
Speaker 1: scene to Sercha, it hurts my chest. How good he
Speaker 1: isn't it? It's just so good. And Timmy when he
Speaker 1: comes into the movie is just like this swagger is
Speaker 1: just dripping off of him, and you get immediately why
Speaker 1: she would like this kid. But I think it's also
Speaker 1: because we're seeing these people through her eyes. And when
Speaker 1: she's talking to Lucas, she's like, he's sensitive. I love him.
Speaker 1: We have named a Star together. And then she sees Timmy,
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, he's like hot, we need to get
Speaker 1: this together and really doesn't have time for me. And
Speaker 1: it's like that sort of nagging that he does. Oh man,
Speaker 1: he's so good at it too, He's so good. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: why do we stand well because it's like he because
Speaker 1: I want to because I get why you said it.
Speaker 1: But let's just examine as a trio, like what what
Speaker 1: how do you solve a problem like Timothy, it's not
Speaker 1: even a it's not a problem. It's not a problem.
Speaker 1: It's not a problem. But don't think it's good to
Speaker 1: be star so quickly. Yeah, right, yes, thank you being right.
Speaker 1: I think I like the progression of Lucas hedges where
Speaker 1: it's like not made for an oscar early in his career,
Speaker 1: is super talented, but also like, isn't like on the
Speaker 1: cover of I mean, is on the cover magazines in
Speaker 1: the same way that like Timmy is, you know, the
Speaker 1: fashion of it all is where it sorts like the
Speaker 1: sort of groundbreaking fashion presence that is Timothy Shallim I
Speaker 1: I'm not really ready for, but I also understand that
Speaker 1: I better get ready for it because I have understood
Speaker 1: now that he will be around for the next I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say forty. I think she's here to stay. Lucas
Speaker 1: can pull off the pie fashion when he wants to,
Speaker 1: like the g Q cover, like those those looks amazing.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's very much just to like
Speaker 1: totally reduce this down to something terrible. It's like it's
Speaker 1: very much a Jackie Maryland dichotomy. We're working interest. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, like like Leo, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that no, that's absolutely better, yes, yes, yes yes, although
Speaker 1: did not really compete with Leo for like the Hearts
Speaker 1: of America. I mean, I don't think so in the
Speaker 1: same way, but I think good while hunting definitely in gender.
Speaker 1: This kind of like goodwill towards yes, just like wanting
Speaker 1: to see Matt Damon just win right, very that and
Speaker 1: Matt was coming in as like a student was like
Speaker 1: someone who wrote this exactly. I think that's part of it, too,
Speaker 1: academic fish, academic fish. We of course have have not
Speaker 1: seen that Damon right. Another thing, I think that's okay,
Speaker 1: I don't really because they have an Academy award, yeah,
Speaker 1: which does not we need the follow up. And also
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know the fact that Matt Damon
Speaker 1: has rarely ever been on that behind the camera or
Speaker 1: like writing anything since Like to me is like, well,
Speaker 1: did we sort of make it look like these boys
Speaker 1: really slater at their young age than just to kind
Speaker 1: of make them stars? Of course maybe that was part
Speaker 1: of it, yeah, okay, Or we could say what no
Speaker 1: one wants to say, and it's that Ben is the talent.
Speaker 1: I think there could be something to that. There is
Speaker 1: because the unfortunately Ben does have some talent when he
Speaker 1: wants to employ that or when he wants to do
Speaker 1: a Paparazzi walk with Onto Armis, which is also cinema.
Speaker 1: Pretty much he is. I mean, Ben I have like
Speaker 1: he doesn't give it to you. Um. In terms of stardom,
Speaker 1: we definitely have moments. One of my favorite moments in
Speaker 1: any of his performances is him as Batman when he
Speaker 1: goes to serve Gala Dot a drink and pours a
Speaker 1: quadruple into a glass with just like the most lived
Speaker 1: in thing I've ever seen, and you sort of see
Speaker 1: in her eyes when he's pouring the drink, She's like, uh, huh, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going for it. And it doesn't feel directed to me.
Speaker 1: It just feels like something that just happens. Well, he
Speaker 1: did not win for directing, did he an Oscar? No? No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even nominated for It was a controversy the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Foreign Prescatory War, and the Oscar said not yet.
Speaker 1: And that's how you know that hurts. They don't have
Speaker 1: it together when it comes to the directing nominations. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been said a million times about how many times
Speaker 1: they've passed over women, but I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: and he's getting recanceled. It seems because because when a
Speaker 1: writer said something, I guess, but the fact that Mel
Speaker 1: Gibson was recently nominated for Best Director, like for Hacks
Speaker 1: Origin fifteen, I believe it was, and really it was
Speaker 1: more recent than Yeah. Yeah, I think it was the
Speaker 1: fact that we allowed that one. It's just like wow,
Speaker 1: that and and that not being the number one controversy
Speaker 1: of that moment, like is insane. The fact that they
Speaker 1: had but he was still round tables, he was still campaigning.
Speaker 1: It's like that was so recent. I mean, it blows
Speaker 1: my mind. People conveniently seem to forget when powerful, rich
Speaker 1: white men do these sorts of things, and like, yes,
Speaker 1: people are vocally upset about it, and like there's a
Speaker 1: conversation about it, but they do not seem to face repercussions.
Speaker 1: Because no matter what, if you're nominated for Best Director,
Speaker 1: which is the highest award for leadership in our industry,
Speaker 1: then you have not faced consequences for that. Like maybe
Speaker 1: he's not acting as much anymore, that's not really a
Speaker 1: consequence for what he has done and seems to continue
Speaker 1: to do, like because he's still reaping huge benefits in
Speaker 1: other areas. Yes, yes, this yes, berserk crazy crazy, Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like we need I need to hear it
Speaker 1: from Hunter's ears, and I kind of tried to from
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, from Hunter's mouth to my ears. Um, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I sort of asked this in
Speaker 1: some form earlier, but like, what, like why Star is Born?
Speaker 1: Why why this A Star is Born? What do you
Speaker 1: what is it? What is it about the characters? I mean,
Speaker 1: Jackson made like a fixture and like the Hunter Harris
Speaker 1: like Twitter narrative. Um, I just I really just want
Speaker 1: to hear you sort of extemporate extemporaneously talk about A
Speaker 1: Star is Born to me and what and what's so
Speaker 1: perfect about it? Well, okay, I think it is. I
Speaker 1: honestly just liked being surprised by things, and I was
Speaker 1: I did not expect to like A Star is Born.
Speaker 1: I did not. I think I'd seen only the Judy
Speaker 1: Garland version before, and I was like, okay, I'd heard
Speaker 1: all this drama behind the scenes. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't care about Bradley Cooper. I'm like, I mean, Telephone
Speaker 1: is the most important song to ever have been recorded,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a huge like little monster. And then
Speaker 1: I just walk into this movie five minutes and I'm
Speaker 1: like oh, this is not going to go well for me.
Speaker 1: Um it because it was so good and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was just so want over by how big it is,
Speaker 1: how loud it is, how earnest it is, which is
Speaker 1: like not a word I even like to leave my
Speaker 1: lipt um. But I was like, this is like a movie,
Speaker 1: Like we're watching a real movie that is like so
Speaker 1: carefully and intricately put together. Um and like the music
Speaker 1: was really good, and and then it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about a movie is to me the best part
Speaker 1: of it. And I could walk out of that movie
Speaker 1: and truly just there's so many theories about like are
Speaker 1: they sleeping together? Do they actually hate each other? Do
Speaker 1: they go to the same colorist? Is Arena Shake about
Speaker 1: to leave Bradley Cooper? Like all of these things? And
Speaker 1: then it's like they do the Oscar performance and You're like,
Speaker 1: this is truly the most intimate thing that I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: so definitively. What is your opinion on what happened with
Speaker 1: their relationship throughout the process that was a star sports?
Speaker 1: And where are they now? I think I think maybe
Speaker 1: they were kissing. They were kissing, but then I think
Speaker 1: it was just you know, intensity passion in the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that Dave Chappelle is in this movie,
Speaker 1: it's like also crazy. There's a lot that's insane about
Speaker 1: It's like the fact that Lunelle is like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movie, like thank thank god, an I think
Speaker 1: it's okay. Anthony Ramos plays the friend that for some
Speaker 1: reason was listening to Yonkers by tired of the creator
Speaker 1: just fully into the year twenty was in the movie
Speaker 1: Yes It's what It's what plays when Lady Gaga goes
Speaker 1: to his room, knocks on the door, says, what do
Speaker 1: I do? He's he can't have sex, and it's like,
Speaker 1: who was listening to younkers? Okay? Got it? Got it?
Speaker 1: Got it. That's a mystery that I still want to solve.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was Anthony bringing that in? Sure did I misinterpret?
Speaker 1: I feel like Anthony's character was gay? He was gay? Okay,
Speaker 1: he was gay? Interesting? Got it? Got it? Got It?
Speaker 1: I feel like what I'm talking about, and this is
Speaker 1: the one other movie that we could have this debate about,
Speaker 1: I feel years later, honestly, Yeah, and then the conversation
Speaker 1: will continue because it's my favorite to talk about. It's
Speaker 1: so much time to talk about. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: I can remember tweets Hunters tweets, she goes Jackson, Maine
Speaker 1: at the Grammys. Um, and then it's the gift. It's
Speaker 1: the video of the person in their car going this
Speaker 1: is so this, you can have so much fun with
Speaker 1: this movie and her turning around to say what he
Speaker 1: could say anything his meme. It arrived at the right
Speaker 1: point for me. Trailer was so good, the best of
Speaker 1: all time. And also not for nothing, but for the
Speaker 1: trailer too, not only like promise something amazing, but then
Speaker 1: the film delivered on that moment, that that moment that
Speaker 1: Ah is forever film history still. Yeah, and her performance
Speaker 1: is she's great, She's great. Is that as we've said before,
Speaker 1: I mean fully improvised, like like unhinged, unhinged scene, unhinged dialogue.
Speaker 1: It could not have possibly been written. That's my theory.
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts Hunter on the way that
Speaker 1: the movie ends? Yeah, like like in terms of that,
Speaker 1: I'll never of again of it all, Like, do you
Speaker 1: agree that the movie sort of lost its way in
Speaker 1: the in the second half or it does not matter
Speaker 1: to you? No, No, it definitely does lose it's direction,
Speaker 1: but it almost makes me love it more because if
Speaker 1: it's flaws, because it was so close to being so perfect,
Speaker 1: I think that I'll ever love again. It is like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, not to bring it back, but it is
Speaker 1: just a fake Whitney Houston song. Yes, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like that PARTA seems like a little bit too like
Speaker 1: Hollywood to me had its own iconography until it was
Speaker 1: trying to be other things for some weird rea it
Speaker 1: was like Shallow was so its own visual and it
Speaker 1: had its own visual identity until she gets and maybe
Speaker 1: this is a comment I doubt it, but until she
Speaker 1: gets just like usurped by Hollywood and gets that new manager,
Speaker 1: then it feels like from that point on, not only
Speaker 1: does she feel like not the character we've known, but
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't feel like the movie we've and watching.
Speaker 1: And if you were really gonna give him the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt, you would say this is a comment
Speaker 1: on how um things lose their voice and becomes sort
Speaker 1: of amorphous after a while when you allow like money
Speaker 1: to dis Yeah, right, that there's that. But also I
Speaker 1: just think it just maybe wasn't a very good second
Speaker 1: half of the movie. No, after the Ali Billboard, it
Speaker 1: kind of loses the sense of itself. It couldn't heighten.
Speaker 1: That is the inflection point because I don't know, Matt,
Speaker 1: were you in the theater with me, But I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that and just gasping. I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like this movie is off the rails now,
Speaker 1: like this billboard is ridiculous. Well, the billboard I think
Speaker 1: was the last acceptable thing in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And then because it was just like this moment,
Speaker 1: it's like we understand she is now like joke famous,
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like we get it. And that's
Speaker 1: because because that's when you knew that she did not
Speaker 1: have a last name, right, she does have a last name?
Speaker 1: Well she main no no what her maiden names? No? No?
Speaker 1: Um okay. One of my sources sent me an Academy
Speaker 1: screening Q and A where Bradley Cooper says her last
Speaker 1: name is Kimpana, which is one letter different than his
Speaker 1: mom's name. It's just the kind of Stampa is like,
Speaker 1: so on then believe her name. They had to take
Speaker 1: it away from God, she would not have been able
Speaker 1: to stop. I think that what the problem for me
Speaker 1: of the Ali billboard is that the billboard plus the
Speaker 1: hair the Manager, plus that scene where Jackson Maine says,
Speaker 1: if you don't dig deep into your fucking soul, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just it's also on the nose. Get it right.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to think that she's this, this and this. Also.
Speaker 1: The movie I think, very stupidly does have the attitude
Speaker 1: that pop music is dumb. But I think it it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not the not the own. I think they should
Speaker 1: have struck right. But Hunter, you were gonna say, I
Speaker 1: was going to say that. In interviews, Bradley Cooper defended
Speaker 1: the pop songs and Lady Gaga didn't, and Diane Warren
Speaker 1: defended the songwriting. That is really fascinating. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: and yes, you're right, Matt. Like Gaga, if if if
Speaker 1: her name had been Alan Compon, if the if the
Speaker 1: last name was figured into the final movie, Gaga on
Speaker 1: every single press stop would have been like, it's actually
Speaker 1: it's actually Bradley's mother's name. We changed it one letter.
Speaker 1: I mean, you almost wish that it had been so
Speaker 1: that we could hear her talk about like how she
Speaker 1: identified even more because it was an Italian last name
Speaker 1: and it was actually Bradley's mother, so that was special. Um,
Speaker 1: but ultimately, that's the weird thing about the movie that
Speaker 1: I think they got really wrong is like the reason
Speaker 1: that Lady Gaga is such a force, and like the
Speaker 1: reason she hit so hard and it stayed so hard
Speaker 1: is because she made fun music that was from her spirit,
Speaker 1: made people dance and like that, it seems weird that
Speaker 1: she would be the one to be like and then
Speaker 1: she sells out because we know that's not making pop music,
Speaker 1: isn't selling out And he was so clearly what's what
Speaker 1: was wrong about that situation? Like he was not right
Speaker 1: in trying to continue to micro manage her and like
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't get involved with the right people. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I said, Act two completely just
Speaker 1: I think it just made the wrong choices, that's all.
Speaker 1: And ultimately we have to look forward to the sequel.
Speaker 1: We have to look forward to the sequel. The three
Speaker 1: of us love it so much. It's one of our
Speaker 1: favorite movies. I think it's the only movie recreation like
Speaker 1: in terms of the original ones, they don't have a sequel.
Speaker 1: I do want to see what Ali Main does from here.
Speaker 1: Soph album for sure, Yeah, yeah, who do we think?
Speaker 1: Who do who do we think the co star is
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds. I think that would be beautiful. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I said that. That's just the first word
Speaker 1: that I thought of. I love that. Your reaction to
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds just an what about? Um? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I have to think about. Okay, Yeah, who do we honestly,
Speaker 1: and we put it to the readers, who would you
Speaker 1: like to see star in the sequel to A Star
Speaker 1: Is Born? That I can announced now that three of
Speaker 1: us are writing. Yes, Oh that's fun. We should write
Speaker 1: it and then do I zoom a reading? Um, so
Speaker 1: it is time at this time take a short break
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do I don't think so honey. And
Speaker 1: we're back with Hunter Harris, and on this episode we're
Speaker 1: going to do I don't think so honey, because that's
Speaker 1: what we do on all episodes. We've actually taken a
Speaker 1: week break from I don't think so honey. Actually we're
Speaker 1: a two week break even. Oh yes, And so it's
Speaker 1: time and um, bone do you have taken this week?
Speaker 1: I have one? Do you? I would about to go,
Speaker 1: I'll go first, but but um, you know I feel
Speaker 1: that I don't think so honey, sort of like and
Speaker 1: given new energy because we can now be a topical
Speaker 1: and I can speak to something that's in the news cycle. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's perfect, so feeling. I love when everyone's talking about this.
Speaker 1: I love when you go topical and if and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear your take on this. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think Sony as time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People who talk about Hamilton's
Speaker 1: like gets Starbucks. Hamilton's is not hamilton is not McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Hamilton's is not this commercial bullshit. We get it. You're
Speaker 1: a democratic socialist, you hate money. Oh that does not
Speaker 1: mean you need to fucking rail on Hamilton's like it's
Speaker 1: fucking mass media. Hamilton's was created from the souls of
Speaker 1: artists of color. And every time you get on there
Speaker 1: and you say fuck this and you say Hamilton's, what
Speaker 1: you're saying is you haven't seen it, because had you
Speaker 1: seen it, you'd be shouting in the streets. You'd be
Speaker 1: campaigning out there for night at least Gold's very to win.
Speaker 1: I don't care what she's eligible for, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you would be basking. You would be respecting Lynn Manuel Miranda,
Speaker 1: because yes, he may be a quote unquote irritating presence
Speaker 1: to you. But he is also a genius. And Hamilton's
Speaker 1: is not something that you can talk about in terms
Speaker 1: of like, oh, it's eating up the media narrative. It
Speaker 1: is a work of art. I don't think so hard
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, thank you, And did you feel
Speaker 1: this is happening a little bit? And there's this weird
Speaker 1: phenomenon where people are taking cover behind Tony Morrison hating
Speaker 1: it to be like wokeal we be like, oh so see,
Speaker 1: like it sucks, like I don't know it could both
Speaker 1: things could coexist where like, yeah, Tony Morrison hated it
Speaker 1: for whatever reasons she hated it, but also like it
Speaker 1: could be like a good musical written by you would
Speaker 1: never leave the theater after saying Hamilton's and say Funk
Speaker 1: that I didn't like that, because it's literally blood, sweat
Speaker 1: and tears and emotions and performed so beautifully mistaking Lee
Speaker 1: and it's so obviously like looking at the way you
Speaker 1: can um perform theater and trying to find new ways
Speaker 1: and innovations on that idea. So that for you to
Speaker 1: say like Funk that I didn't like that, or act
Speaker 1: like it's something negative for the world that's so annoying
Speaker 1: to me, and people talking about it like it's McDonald's
Speaker 1: is so crazy, like it's this to be consumed and
Speaker 1: not just like an artistic achievement. And I guess it's
Speaker 1: ultimately like says something about its artistic achievement that it's
Speaker 1: gotten to that point. But this isn't like some it's
Speaker 1: not garbage. And so if you're out there thinking it's garbage,
Speaker 1: like you should watch it and you can watch it
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus now. So but anyway, yes, no, not
Speaker 1: that I'm promoting it. It doesn't need my promotion. Like
Speaker 1: maybe it's like uncool for me to say, stop attacking
Speaker 1: this extremely popular thing. But the people that are like
Speaker 1: eating up the space on Twitter saying how Hamilton's n cool,
Speaker 1: It's like that is one of the least cool things
Speaker 1: you could say. I think everyone's just having a good
Speaker 1: time like reliving it like that. That's just been what's
Speaker 1: nice about it for people who have seen it, it's
Speaker 1: it's been nice to just like just relive it and
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, like I do get to see
Speaker 1: it with Philippa and she's doing great. Maybe I have
Speaker 1: like an emotional attachment to it because when I saw
Speaker 1: it it was two days after Pulse, and I remember
Speaker 1: thinking it was like I had never felt that bad,
Speaker 1: Like after the Pull shooting. I was like so devastated.
Speaker 1: And there is like a lot in it about gun
Speaker 1: violence obviously, um, and so like there were there was
Speaker 1: the these segments of the show that I thought carried
Speaker 1: a little bit more weight because of what had just happened,
Speaker 1: and I was so emotionally raw, and it is such
Speaker 1: an emotional show, so it's not like um. But but
Speaker 1: then again, I don't feel like I'm out here defending
Speaker 1: it because I have an emotional attachment to it. I
Speaker 1: just think it's ridiculous to consider something that obviously came
Speaker 1: from like some like a love of something with any
Speaker 1: other commercial bullshit. That's like taking away from people who
Speaker 1: who endeavor to see it or like buy into watching it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? For sure? For sure, Hunter,
Speaker 1: what is your opinion on Hamilton's I have no opinion.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: I'm along for the ride. No, I was gonna watch
Speaker 1: it probably this week. Actually like it? Do you like theater? Okay?
Speaker 1: That's that's fine, and that I actually respect that we
Speaker 1: actually respect that. We'll find out if I respect you
Speaker 1: after you're I don't think so this is okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is um. This is going to be an extemporaneous
Speaker 1: one is it usually is extemporaneous. Can't wait for extemporaneous
Speaker 1: b and yang and his I don't think so honey
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so Honey calling me kiddo
Speaker 1: in any sort of flirtatious capacity, it's I feel like
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I mean, I'm not used. I'm
Speaker 1: not over here using daddy that often either, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not acknowledging any generational gap in my sexual parlance with people.
Speaker 1: So kiddo feels like the opposite of daddy. But it's
Speaker 1: sort of offensive for the same reasons. It's not offensive,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying it offends me for the same reasons.
Speaker 1: Calling me kiddo, I think it just kills the sex
Speaker 1: for me. I'm like, okay, so you are going to
Speaker 1: fantilize me in this way that he feels a little troubling,
Speaker 1: and I don't really want that as part of our dynamic.
Speaker 1: And you're calling me kiddo. I don't know do you.
Speaker 1: It feels like you're in It feels like you want
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, what's his face, like Lenny
Speaker 1: Kravitz and Hunger Games or something? Does he say that?
Speaker 1: I feel like he does. He might not actually say
Speaker 1: called Jennifer Lawrence kiddo in the movie or in the books,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he would, and that just makes
Speaker 1: me feel uneasy. I love Lenny Kravitz and Hunger Games
Speaker 1: and he's very sexy, but just for for someone I
Speaker 1: met off, you know, tender to call me kiddo, I
Speaker 1: don't want it. And that's honey. Of course, Lenny Kravitz
Speaker 1: was never more sexy or than when he was in
Speaker 1: the Hunger Games. Yes, absolutely, yeah, I hadn't thought of
Speaker 1: that before bowing that. It's like it's like and like
Speaker 1: I for some reason, I don't mind it when someone
Speaker 1: calls me the and the the handful of times someone
Speaker 1: has even facetiously called me daddy, I'm like, oh ha ha,
Speaker 1: that's funny, and like, hopefully I won't have an issue
Speaker 1: with it when I as I get older, but or
Speaker 1: as I hope to be called it as I get older,
Speaker 1: But to be called kiddo now at my age I
Speaker 1: just I don't. I don't enjoy it. I don't it
Speaker 1: sounds patronized. Yes, that's absolutely exactly right. I feel that
Speaker 1: what they're saying is like, Hey, in my initial interaction
Speaker 1: with you, I'm letting you know that I'm the authority
Speaker 1: figure in this relationship, which is which is not a
Speaker 1: conversation we've had prior. No, we have not laid out
Speaker 1: the terms of this exactly. Hunter, I think it's time
Speaker 1: for Hunters. I don't think so honey. Okay, Oh, and
Speaker 1: I feel a stirring, I feel a quickening. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is Hunter Harris's I don't think so honey, her time
Speaker 1: starts now. Okay, My I don't think so Honey is
Speaker 1: about Mr Joseph Gordon love It. I think so Honey not.
Speaker 1: I will not allow that Joseph Gordon Lovett industrial complex
Speaker 1: to rise again. Here's the thing. I don't think so Honey,
Speaker 1: because the most lonely I felt is when all of
Speaker 1: my friends had a crush on him after five four
Speaker 1: days of summer, and I knew that was a bad movie,
Speaker 1: and I knew he was a bad mood, and I
Speaker 1: knew better, but I was shy, so I just went
Speaker 1: along with but I'm tired of it. I don't think
Speaker 1: he is a very charismatic actor. I did not like
Speaker 1: when he hosted SNL make him Laugh. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very upsetting. I have not forgotten it and it
Speaker 1: still haunts me to this day. And I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: he's trying to have um he starting to resuscitate his
Speaker 1: career Hit Record Joe. I don't think so. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and that is one minute what I don't even know
Speaker 1: what Hit Record Joe is. I have to come out
Speaker 1: of saying this is a production company. It's not exactly
Speaker 1: a production company. It is his I think at one
Speaker 1: point was a platform where you could like upload videos
Speaker 1: similar to you know whatever, UM like fine TikTok somebody.
Speaker 1: But it was like a created all of that um
Speaker 1: and then at some point I think he took the
Speaker 1: material to make it into his own thing. But now
Speaker 1: his his Twitter handle is still hit Record Joe, and
Speaker 1: he still has these like automated tweets soliciting like you know, advice, reactions, whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's just all so incredibly internet in a eleven
Speaker 1: that I just cannot Yeah, he really had a moment
Speaker 1: of sort of a gradual Shallowmang where he really became
Speaker 1: the one for a little bit, but it didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it came out of nowhere. He had earned it.
Speaker 1: He had been on Third Rock from the Sun. He
Speaker 1: had like done all these Inny movies, remember Brick, Like
Speaker 1: he had like done all this cool stuff, and then
Speaker 1: had that moment with five hour days of Summer, And
Speaker 1: I think what happened was he just started he thought
Speaker 1: of himself as an autour a little early. I think
Speaker 1: he branched out, fully tapped out. I feel because like
Speaker 1: in Dark Knight Rise, is like it was fully set
Speaker 1: up that, like there would be another franchise for him.
Speaker 1: I comptly forgot he was in that. He was like
Speaker 1: a Christopher Nolan favorite, remember that. And for some reason
Speaker 1: I don't remember him in those movies, but I do
Speaker 1: remember him vividly in Don John. Like Don John to me,
Speaker 1: Don John was already on the decline. See I love
Speaker 1: Don John? Is that insane? It's worth it? I feel
Speaker 1: like it would hit with you because Scarlett Johansson is
Speaker 1: giving you a certain amount of dragon that movie too.
Speaker 1: I was talking to I was talking to someone and
Speaker 1: they just did an impression of like Joseph Gordon Lovitt
Speaker 1: in the trailer where he's like he does this crazy
Speaker 1: accent where he's just like, no can get you the
Speaker 1: way between me and mom porn or whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like porn. Yeah, he's like really really he's doing He's doing,
Speaker 1: He's doing rod Sterling Slash me doing um the comic book,
Speaker 1: or Snake in the Simpsons, being like nothing with a
Speaker 1: dash of like Jersey Shore, the dash of Jersey Shore,
Speaker 1: like I feel like he yes, there's he wants to resuscitate,
Speaker 1: but to do it now is so interesting, and I
Speaker 1: feel like he just took a weird left turn and
Speaker 1: then it was just like producing theater for a while,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really know, he's not aware of that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: maybe he would he now because now that we remember
Speaker 1: he was in Blockbusters, maybe he like, after getting a
Speaker 1: taste of that, was like, funk this, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this right now, and then wanted to sort
Speaker 1: of do his own thing. But they are interesting choices, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we get the choices have been interesting until you're you're
Speaker 1: just done with him, you don't want to see him anymore.
Speaker 1: I have just never seen it for him, so I
Speaker 1: really there's like nowhere to go. Yeah for me. In
Speaker 1: regards to Mr Gordon Lovett, I like him and thought
Speaker 1: that this is my own Long Island like trauma, but
Speaker 1: I thought he was so hot and don John, I'm
Speaker 1: looking for my community out here, oh wow, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I won't find it in this zoom. For too long,
Speaker 1: long Long Islanders have not had culture that specifically caters
Speaker 1: to them. Shut up, Bowen, that's what what I'm rude. No,
Speaker 1: it's the truth. Well, wow, what an episode this has been.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better person to kick off
Speaker 1: our our post two episodes stretch you sort of become.
Speaker 1: This is really the beginning of our new era, which
Speaker 1: is we do It's like our BC is like before
Speaker 1: the List and after the List we do B L
Speaker 1: and A L. So this is like year one, A
Speaker 1: L and yes. And actually I think this is the
Speaker 1: birth of a segment that Matt and I had kind
Speaker 1: of talked about before. We might do a new thing
Speaker 1: where we talk about a thing that should have made
Speaker 1: the list and is in some ways even better than
Speaker 1: any thing on the list. And I think the first
Speaker 1: inductee onto that list is Aaron Brockovich. I think so
Speaker 1: I mean I have to say thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This is if this is the beginning of a precedent
Speaker 1: where everyone that comes on the show says their culture
Speaker 1: that made them say culture was for them, and then
Speaker 1: we immediately decide if that's worth putting into the culture list.
Speaker 1: I love that for us because it gives us an authority. Amazing, Well, Hunter,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Where can where can they follow you?
Speaker 1: On damn Twitter? Um? I tweet at Hunter why Harris
Speaker 1: and you should be following? In fact, I think we
Speaker 1: made a rule of culture a while back, like if
Speaker 1: you're glowing Hunter Harris, then you don't get it. You
Speaker 1: don't get it. Also, um, Hunter, your skincare I'm sorry
Speaker 1: this is another un key thing to say, but your
Speaker 1: skin care routine? Um? Was it on the cut or
Speaker 1: was it on Strategist? On the cut? And then you
Speaker 1: hit it into the glass future as well? I mean,
Speaker 1: skinker queen, Hunter Harris, please check out the routine. I
Speaker 1: just ordered an ice face mask. Great. Oh I love
Speaker 1: this really so so do they work? Um? I mean
Speaker 1: I think they're very soothing. I can actually help with
Speaker 1: your skin. Oh really? Okay, So I'm looking for like
Speaker 1: a deep puffer. Get a jade roller, You get a
Speaker 1: jade roller. Is the jade roller just kind of like
Speaker 1: it's it's lymphatic maybe, but it's if you put it
Speaker 1: in your freezer and you whip it out morning and
Speaker 1: night and the cold just sort of like deep puffs
Speaker 1: and it feels nice. It feels like a nice step
Speaker 1: of like, alright, I'm gonna try I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: cold face for the next several weeks. Okay, we thank you,
Speaker 1: We thank you. Okay at Hunter My Harris on Twitter,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Hunter. We always close each episode
Speaker 1: with the song maybe It's time, Oh my god the words?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Whenever you're listening to the
Speaker 1: Stars Born soundtrack and like the Jackson Man's comes on,
Speaker 1: you're like this and then you go, oh and everything's
Speaker 1: better bye or bye