1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A murder takes place the 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: sheriffs the police investigators move heaven and earth to catch 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: the killer, bringing some peace to the murder victim's family, 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: and he goes to jail right wrong, enter a female 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: jail warden. Somehow she and the killer disappear together. What yes, 6 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: disappear together? A female jail guard apparently helps a killer 7 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: a thirty six escape and both have seemingly vanished off 8 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the face of the earth. Now what about this? What 9 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: if he forced her to help him and now they're 10 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: on the run together. How much longer is she gonna 11 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: be alive? I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. 12 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation. 13 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: In series Sex M one eleven, the clock is ticking 14 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: talk talk How long will he keep her alive? Now 15 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: that he's escaped, it no longer needs her first of all, 16 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at w VT M thirteen. 17 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Happening now in North Alabama, the search continues for an 18 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: escaped inmate and missing sheriffs deputy. A blue aler was 19 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: issued yesterday, hours after Deputy Vicky White failed to show 20 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: up with Casey White, who was not related to her. 21 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: The Lauderdale County Sheriff says the inmate was never scheduled 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: to be in court and says their disappearance comes with 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: plenty of unanswered questions. Did she assist him in escaping? 24 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: That bobbed to say a possibility, So we're looking into that. 25 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: At one angle of the investigation, was she kid can 26 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: route to the poorhouse and you know, taken a gaster wheel. Well, 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: the inmate, Casey White, is currently facing capital murder charges. 28 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: He's considered to be armed dangerous as Deputy White was 29 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: armed at the time, so now we believe they are 30 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: armed to the hilt. She has her service weapon and 31 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: what does he have? Again, thank you for being with 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: us as the clock is ticking down on the disappearance 33 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: of Connie Ridgeway. She has two sons. Then you've got 34 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: the Connie Ridgeway victim in the original murder case who 35 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: has two sons who are totally distraught by this. You 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: have the murder suspect, Casey White on the run, and 37 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: you have the female guard, Vicky White no relation, joining 38 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: me in all star panel to make sense of what 39 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: we know right now. But first I want to go 40 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: to Sheriff Rick Singleton. He is the laudnd Old County Sheriff. 41 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us. Sheriff, and guys, 42 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: you go on Facebook if you have any information to 43 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: the Lauderdale County Sheriff's office. Lauderdale as in Fort Lauderdale, 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: but this is in Alabama. Sheriff. Thank you for being 45 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: with us. I know you are in the middle of 46 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: a man hunt right now, so your time is extremely valuable. Sheriff. 47 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Tell everybody where is Lauderdale County. Lauderdale County is in 48 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: northwest Alabama. We border the Tennessee River. We border Tennessee 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: on our north end and Mississippi to the west. County 50 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of about ninety five thousand population. Flrench is the county 51 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: seat with about forty five thousand population. Also home with 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the University of North Alabama and the same recording studio. 53 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I guess aired more known for music than anything. Muscle 54 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: shoals just right across the river from us AH. Now 55 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I get a muscle shoals. I was with you on 56 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: the Tennessee line and many more of the things you identified, 57 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: but muscle shoals, that's big, especially in the recording world. 58 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: To Sheriff Rick Singleton who was taking time out of 59 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: the manhunt right now, and guys bolo bolo on Casey 60 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: White and with him we believe still alive. No relation 61 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Gael Warden Vicky White. Um, Sheriff, Yeah, you said about 62 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: ninety thousand. That's a lot bigger than where I came from. 63 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: Tell me about Lauderdale. And one thing that really caught 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: my attention is when he said Tennessee line. You know, 65 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: they're way gone over the Tennessee Line. Don't you think 66 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: the first way they would go is to get out 67 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: of Alabama? You would think so. Um, you know, the 68 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: Tennessee Line is just twelve miles from the city of Florence, 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: and so you know it's it's easy access across the 70 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: state lines. We have people coming back and forth, you know, 71 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: obviously on a daily basis. So it's very as a 72 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: very close proximity to us. So that's definitely one of 73 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: the directions of travel that they could have taken. What 74 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: interstate would they be on, Sheriff if they And the 75 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: reason I say, just naturally I think they'll cross the 76 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: state line is because authorities in Tennessee. While they may 77 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: be trying to help you, this is not an emergency 78 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: for them, it's an emergency for Alabama. So the further 79 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: away they can get from the Alabama boundaries, that's what 80 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: they're going to try to do. That's just my speculation. 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: What do you think, I think? So you know, they 82 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: could obviously by now be anywhere anywhere in the country, 83 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: even out of the country. Our biggest obstacle that we 84 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: run into is we're working hard to identify a second 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: getaway car. The pro car was abandoned within ten minutes 86 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: of the time they left the detention center, and obviously 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: they got in another vehicle, and we're having a really 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: difficult time trying to identify that vehicle. We do have 89 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: some leads that were following up on a couple of 90 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: them were very promising, so we're hoping that we can 91 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: get a positive confirmation that that has to what vehicle 92 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: they could possibly be. A sheriff. Rick Singleton is with me, 93 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bring in the rest of the panel 94 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: just one moment. Let me give you the tipline everybody. 95 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: It is eight hundred three three six zero one zero 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: two repeat eight hundred three three six zero one zero two. 97 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: There's also the Lauderdel County Sheriff's office two five six 98 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: seven six zero five seven five seven. I'm gonna keep 99 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: giving you that in Fox Nation, if you don't mind, 100 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: just keep flashing that up on the screen, because I 101 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: really believe this woman, even if she helped him, and 102 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: I don't know that she did or didn't. Even if 103 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: she helped him, her life is in danger. You don't 104 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: think he'll kill her in a New York minute if 105 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 1: she slows him down, or if she has second thoughts 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: and decides to turn around and go back home to mommy, 107 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: who knows what could happen. He will show no mercy 108 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: because he is not going back to jail alive in 109 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: his mind, and he will take her straight to hell 110 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: with him. Guys, those of you just joining us. A 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: female guard escapes with a thirty eight year old murder 112 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: suspect in the last hours. Cops now sharing new photos 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: of the inmate facing the death penalty over a two 114 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen hit on a woman. He murders, a mother 115 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: of two, then later claims couldn't keep his app shut 116 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: that it was a hit. Okay, maybe maybe not. Guys, 117 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: you were just hearing our friends at w VTM thirteen. 118 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to John Popepki at w VTM 119 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: thirteen US Our Cut two. The search continues for a 120 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: missing murder suspect and deputy this morning. Casey White is 121 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: facing a capital murder charge. He was last seen just 122 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: before ten Friday morning with correctional officer Vicky White at 123 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: the Lauderdale County Detention Center. Investigators say the two were 124 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: heading to a mental health evaluation, but the Lauderdale County 125 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff says there was no appointment schedule. He says they're 126 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: looking at the investigation from a few different angles. The 127 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: first possibility is White kidnapped the deputy, while the other 128 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: could be that the deputy aided his escape. I don't 129 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: know if she was coerced threatened to carry that plan out, 130 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: or she did it willingly, or of course, you know, 131 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: if somehow he overpowered her in the four blocks from 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: the detention center of the courthouse and took control of 133 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: the vehicle and her. The Sheriff's office has tried getting 134 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: in touch with her, but her phone goes straight to 135 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: voicemail right there. I'm trying to find out one more 136 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: thing before I go to specially guests joining us. De 137 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: Quan Lee from w A f F forty eight and 138 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Huntsville Sheriff Rick Singleton joining me the sheriff in Lauderdale 139 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: County Sheriff again, thank you for being with us in 140 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: the midst of the man hunt. Regarding her phone, has 141 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: it been paying to its last location? Well, of course, 142 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: we're using all the technology available to as our federal partner, 143 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: this Marshall see passed forward to st of leading the search. 144 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: We also have access to the FBI Secret Service and 145 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: thank you and the state of law enforcement making use 146 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: helping us. So we're using all the technology available because 147 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: the craft to get a location on them so far, 148 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: those ever to have been unsuccessful. You know, Sheriff Singleston, 149 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I've known of a lot of law men that do 150 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: not want to call in anybody to help them. This 151 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: is now, I believe over state borders. I am so 152 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: glad you're bringing in the US marshals. You know, don't 153 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: don't mess with them. I'm just telling you that much 154 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: you see a US Marshall coming, you might as well 155 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: just lay down on the ground and put your hands 156 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: up in the air because they have all this technology. 157 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Sheriff, I'm from Bibb County unincorporated bib County, 158 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: which is outside of Macon, Georgia. There's no way that's 159 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: rural law enforcement has all this technology that the FEDS 160 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: have for Pete's sake, that was so smart. But still 161 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: even on what they're doing, you can't. They haven't been 162 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: able to get a ping on her phone. No, we 163 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: have not, and you know, as I said, you know 164 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: that they have been tremendous. We had the US Marshall 165 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: s Tasslorce. I actually have a deputy assigned to that 166 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: task force and they've been on it. They got on 167 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: it within two hours of the when we were made 168 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: aware of what we had going on. Hey guys, when 169 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: you hear the sheriff say he's got a deputy assigned 170 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: of that task or sheriff, I'll never forget one of 171 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: my very best investigators went on assignment to the ATF. 172 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Never saw him again. You know, once they go to 173 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: the fads bennut go back. So brace yourself. Time stories 174 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace straight out to de quin Lee joining us. 175 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: He is with w a f F forty eight. Dequan Lee, 176 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us? How and the Hey 177 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: did this happen? You know, right before we went to 178 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: air Dequon, I was telling you guys about the Fulton 179 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: County Courthouse massacre where several of my friends were murdered 180 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: in the courthouse because an inmate overpowered a female sheriff. 181 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: She was armed as they were coming up the courthouse elevator. 182 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: We still don't know how it happened exactly, but he 183 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: did it. This guy came in and gunned down Judge 184 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Rowland Barnes, who was a friend in the colleague. I 185 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: played softball with him on the same softball league, my 186 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: longtime court reporter, others, and it's just out of the blue. 187 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: How do we think this happened to Quan Lee? Now, 188 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: this situation is pretty remarkable. We have a lady who 189 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: recently just filed for retirement the day before this escape 190 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: happened and just recently solid So the situation and as 191 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: we started getting or details about it, it really bocles 192 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: my mind. For one thing, it's another thing to see 193 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: how coordinated this attempt. Well, this escape has been from 194 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: top to bottom. Well I'm not I'm not necessarily saying 195 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: she is aiding in the building, but when you look 196 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: at too many circumstances that seem so TV is You're right? 197 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Go ahead, now, imagine you're selling Netflix a TV series, 198 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: a mini series, a docum series, if you will, where 199 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: you have this correctional officer and you have this in 200 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: inmates that's in accused with murder, and they escape together. 201 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: She recently sold her house, she recently filed for retirement. 202 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: Netflix would eat this up. They would actually tell you 203 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: it's too too soon and too cheesy to actually put 204 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: on their lineup. But who want to day? And you 205 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: have this situation playing out in Porticos White here around 206 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: ten o'clock they say they're getting rid of the head 207 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: to a mental health evaluation session that we now know 208 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: was focus. And now we have two people on the 209 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: run for the past couple of days, and now we've 210 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: got all the big wigs involved trying to figure out 211 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: where these two could have possibly gone. It's absolutely plutaous. 212 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: If you ask me, well, you know what I say. 213 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton, the elected sheriff there in Laurderdale County, 214 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. 215 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: This guy has already murdered a woman at least once 216 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: that we know of, and now he's alone with a 217 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: woman on the run. Whether she helped him or not, 218 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: her life is in danger. I mean, there is no 219 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: two ways about a sheriff, oh exactly. And you know, 220 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: talking about the way that this was orchestrated. Of course, 221 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: we now know that he obviously assisted him escape the 222 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: facts that we've been able to put together. Director White 223 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: was the assistant director of operations at the Penton Center. 224 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Part of her responsibilities once were to coordinate all transports, 225 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: all inmate transport, holdall sheriff. I don't think the rest 226 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: of the world knows how difficult task that is. I 227 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: remember at the courthouse, sheriff. I'd be pulling in at 228 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: quarter of eight and I see buses, four to five 229 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: buses coming in from the Fulton County jail and all around. 230 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: If people who have been extradited going under guard underneath 231 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: the jail house, where then a giant gate would come 232 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: down behind them so they couldn't get out, they'd go 233 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: under the courthouse and then brought up to the courtrooms 234 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: on special secured elevators. So transporting, he just said, she 235 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: was in charge of all that transport. That is no 236 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: easy thing. So she had to be really responsible and 237 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: really smart to do all that exactly. Just about a 238 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: few minutes before she'd left a detention center with la 239 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Casey White, two vans of inmates had had left a 240 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: detention centers. The first n had two deputies and seven inmates. 241 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, the second van left with two deputies 242 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: and five inmates, headed to the courthouse, which is about 243 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: four blocks up the street. Just minutes after that second 244 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: van left, Director White instructed one of the corrections deputies 245 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: to bring Casey White up and prepare him for transport. 246 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: By that we mean that he was handcuffed, leg shackles 247 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: were put on him. She then advised the booking auser 248 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: that she was the only certified deputy firearm certified deputy 249 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: available to carry him, and that she was going to 250 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: carry him up but to the courthouse, turn him over 251 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: to other deputies, and from there she was going to 252 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: get a medical check up because she wasn't seeing them well. 253 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: So when you say yeah, he says something else that's 254 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: really critical. Double shackle. He's got handcuffs and leg shackles. 255 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: The only other thing he could have done is put 256 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: a chain around his waist and put the leg shackles 257 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: and the handcuffs chained to the waist shackle, and and 258 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: that was in place. He did have the waist chain on. Gosh, 259 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: she had to help him. Oh, you can't get out 260 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: of a triple shackle like that, just like unless you've 261 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: got the key. I mean, maybe somebody got to could 262 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: get out handcuffs like they do in the movies. That 263 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: does happen. You can actually wrangle around sometimes and get 264 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: out of them, but out of a waist and a 265 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: leg shackle, which was right. This guy's as a killer, 266 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: of course he should be triple shackles. But to do that, 267 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: he'd had to be been a Hootini. He's got five minutes, 268 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: less than five minutes a four block drive to get 269 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: out of a waist chain with handcuffs, leg shackles, somehow 270 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: gets into the control of the vehicle in her in 271 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: a four block area that's very heavily traveled as far 272 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: as traffic those so there's just no way. But they 273 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: never headed towards the courthouse. You went through the intersection 274 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: and instead of going left to go the courthouse, you 275 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: turned right and went to the shopping center where they 276 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: abandoned the car. You know, And another thing about this guy, 277 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: this ain't his first time at the rodeo. Take a 278 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: list an hour cut seven our friends at waf punsible 279 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Casey Cole White was arraigned today, but not without complications. 280 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: We got information yesterday that he had made a shank 281 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: and he intended to escape today to take a hostage. 282 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: Lauderdale County District Attorney Chris Connolly says they found two 283 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: shanks in the shower belonging to White before the arrayment. 284 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: During the arrayment, he pled not guilty to both charges 285 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: by reason of insanity. The judge also released him back 286 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: into custody of the Department of Corrections, where he was 287 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: in prison for a string of other unrelated charges. Our 288 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: deputies did a great job, found the shank and eliminated 289 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: that that thread this morning, So we obviously aren't be 290 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: quipped to house somebody like that long term in our jail, 291 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: So we're happy that the judge ordered in to go 292 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: back to the Department of Corrections. Now, when you hear 293 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: the words jail and doc or CI Department of Corrections 294 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Correctional Institute, jail is the local jail. The penitentiary is 295 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: much bigger, with a lot more wardens. As they're commonly 296 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: called to handle the jail population. So that's one jail. 297 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure that was glad to see the last. To 298 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: him joining me. Percy pittsur a former federal warden, thirty 299 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: year career incorrections and founder of Creative Corrections Educational Foundation. 300 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: You can find them at CCEF Scholarships dot org. Percy thinks, 301 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: so great to have you with us today. Well, thank 302 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: you for having me. What protocols are typically in safe? 303 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: Now you're a fed, but what protocols would typically be 304 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: in set in place? So a single warden, as I'm 305 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: calling her, would not be tempted in any way to 306 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: help an inmate. And this guy can be charming. All right? 307 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Did you hear what? Let me back up, you hear 308 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: what happened with two shanks? I'm sure you've seen your 309 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: share of shame and they're mean as hell. They can 310 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: kill you. I mean, explain, how do you make a shank? Percy, 311 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Let's just start with that. Well, you know, I think 312 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: even more import how is she allowed to get out 313 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: of that jail? You know it doesn't make sense. I 314 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: was a warden and there's no way ad a scratchel 315 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: officer would but push that button to let me out 316 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: with me. Well, I mean she had the in disha 317 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: of reliability and authority. But first Percy explained, what is 318 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: a shank. A shank is a homebad knife, and they 319 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: can be made out of Oh. I've seen the meat 320 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: out of bedsprings, just about anything, and they're deadly. They're deadly. 321 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh and I'm going to pose your question a sheriff Singleton. 322 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Percy Pitcher is saying, no way would under optimal conditions 323 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: anyone buzzed them out. But this woman, Vicky White, was 324 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: in charge of transport. She had the guy triple shackled 325 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: in the back of the vehicle, which I assume it's 326 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: an armored vehicle. In other words, at Scotty that the 327 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: medal between the driver and the passenger around the windows 328 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: so they can't jump out of a window. Why not 329 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: let her out with him? Uh? You know as assistant director. 330 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Of course she's also their supervisor and h you know. 331 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing about the correction profession is it's it's 332 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: hard to find people that take that job. It's a 333 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: very stressful job, a very challenging job, and it's not 334 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: a job as anyone can do. I hired a correct 335 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: and deputy. About a month ago. He came into work 336 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: at six o'clock in the morning, left for lunch, never 337 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: came back, and I said, he just couldn't handle it. 338 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: It's a very stressful job. And so we have law 339 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: of Colonel. A lot of our staff are young and experienced. 340 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: And also it's not uncommon for us to get a 341 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: van to court and a judge say, oh, by the way, way, 342 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I need this inmate. And that's primarily what Director White 343 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: would do if that happened. And she would typically take 344 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: that one inmate in her patrol car because she couldn't 345 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: get multiple inmates in there and drum the courthouse and 346 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: turn order and uh. Deputies. Now, in this case where 347 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: you got a capital murder suspect that was strictly against policy, 348 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: you know she knew the policy. She's the assistant director. 349 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: She knew the policies. But you gotta got a renative, 350 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: young deputy working the booking there and she tells him 351 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: this is what I'm going to do and he don't question. So, 352 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: nanty is that you jumping in Percy jump in? No, 353 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: this is this is Matt Mangino. And you know the 354 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: thing is this appears to need to be a you know, 355 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: colossal failure of Lauderdale County. I mean, I don't know. 356 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: I gotta disagree with you on that, Mangino, because this 357 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: woman tell me straight back out to you, de Quine Lee. 358 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: Let me let me let me make one comment, Nanty. 359 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: I just want you to have these facts before you 360 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: start blaming county de Quan Lee. Isn't it true? This woman? 361 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: This woman now we think on the run with an 362 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: accused killer. Well, there's no doubt he did it, he confessed. 363 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: She filed for retirement. She started early in this business 364 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: and she had been employee of the year. I don't 365 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: mean of the month over at Walmart where they changed 366 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: the peak. They just like your picture in I'm talking 367 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: about of the year. That's correction. Like four times in 368 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: a row. She had medals of commendation. This woman was 369 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: we thought Pierre is the driven snow. I mean that 370 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I've looked into her record. That's the one you would trust. 371 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: And Sheriff Singleton can confirm this. She was highly thoughted 372 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: amongst her her co workers. She never never was expected 373 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: to be a person make criminal out of the blue. No, 374 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: And another thing Sheriff Singleton said was that there's a 375 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: high turnover people that are not in the crime business. 376 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: It's really hard to explain. When you are with the 377 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: worst of the worst day in day out, you have 378 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: got to have nerves a steel to stay in it. 379 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I mean even at the end, 380 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Sheriff Singleton, there would be times I'd be in court 381 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: trying I don't know a murderer, a rapist, a shild molester, 382 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: and I would actually feel sick to my stomach. Even 383 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: after doing it. I was into thirteen years with the government. 384 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: I was still just it just can make you sick. 385 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: No wonder people don't come back to work. You have 386 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: got to have nerves a steel to do it. Sheriff 387 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: absolutely and Vicky White with a department almost seventeen years. 388 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: She had an unblemish record, not a single disciplinary action 389 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: in her file. She was I've been sheriffs seven years. 390 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: Four those seven years she was voted by her peers 391 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: and co workers as a supervisor or employee of the year. 392 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: In our correcting division. Everyone had the highest regard in 393 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: respect for the director told me Friday night that it 394 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: was like a funeral week at the detention center. Her 395 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: co workers were so upset about what had happened. And 396 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, people, do you know you just have to 397 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: have been part of this family, this Sheriff's Office Correcting 398 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: Division family to understand how devastating this has been to 399 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: our employees. I mean she was highly respected. I was 400 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: told the judge it had to sign the pride. When 401 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: she signed the one, she was well thought of by 402 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: the judges. Yeah, I mean yes, I hear you, sheriff 403 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: So okay, man Gino. Matthew Mangino joined me, former district attorney, 404 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: former parole board member, author of the executioner's toll, Matthew, 405 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Now that you know all that, I don't know how 406 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: you can say it was the county's fault. This was 407 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: sop st entered operating procedure. What she did know that 408 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: any reason to doubt her. That's the problem is Nancy 409 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: standard operating procedure. No one should move out of a facility. 410 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't care who I asked for without a transport order. 411 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: The judge design order says, this person's coming over to 412 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: enter a plea, this person's coming over to be sentenced, 413 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: this person's coming over for a mental health evaluation. No 414 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: one should leave a facility. Without a court order and 415 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: without that policy in place, without that procedure being there, 416 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: she was able to take this guy out without any 417 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: real place to go. She could make up a storage 418 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: which apparently you could call them here. Okay, I disagree 419 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: with the word. I don't disagree with the word. He says. 420 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: We did have paul Is in place. She ignored the policies. 421 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: If a policy could prevent something like this from happening, 422 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: then we wouldn't have any crime. We got all. Let 423 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: him finish, Matthew, Let him finish. People make choices. We 424 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: can't control their mind and their choices. The policies there 425 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: to give them guidance and direction on how they should 426 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: do things. That doesn't guarantee they're gonna do it that way. 427 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: She chose to violate that policy. She knew the policy, 428 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: and she violated the policy. And there's another thing, Sheriff, 429 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: there's another thing. And man, Gina, I think you know this. 430 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: You tried a lot of cases, as have I. When 431 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: you're in court, I mean every Monday morning, I'd have 432 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty new cases to be arraigned every 433 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: Monday morning, and then every other Monday a trial calendar 434 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: to start trying cases start striking juries during all that 435 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: very often, just as Singleton share, Singleton just said that judge, go, well, 436 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm not going to tell this codefendant 437 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: plea without that codefendant or the prosecutor might say that, 438 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: because then you've ruined your trial strategy. So right in 439 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: the middle of everything, there's three hundred people in the courtroom, 440 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: everything comes to a screeching halt because you got to 441 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: go transport another defendant over, or somebody gets left, or 442 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: somebody needs to come over for an emergency. Here he 443 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: it's fluid, there's constant back and forth with the jail, 444 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: and of all people they thought they could trust this 445 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: woman who now we think is probably hold up in 446 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: a motel with a killer. He's already killed at least 447 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: one other woman, her family and shot. Take listen, our cut, 448 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: thirteen our friends at way. She is definitely in complete shock, 449 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: saying that everyone who knows her daughter, Vicky says this 450 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. She's scared for her daughter's safety 451 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: right now, and says even if she did help inmate 452 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: wait to escape, she should turn herself in and get 453 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: back before anyone gets hurt. As a mother, that I 454 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't know what. I didn't know how to act because 455 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I you know, I thought at first it was a mistake, 456 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: and then when I found out for sure it was, 457 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: it was just a disbelief, complete shock. That's how Vicky 458 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: White's mother, Pat Davis describes what's been going through her 459 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: head ever since her daughter disappeared with accused murderer Casey 460 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: White Friday morning. I lay in there at that and 461 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: you can't get it off your mind. And then when 462 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: you wake up, if you do fall asleep, that's the 463 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: first thing that you think of. You know, if you've 464 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: got a kid and she's out there, it's just like, 465 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, she's in danger. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 466 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: Thank to Sheriff Rick Singleton, the elected sheriff and Lauderdale 467 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: County Sheriff. Did they could you see on video surveillance 468 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: or any other checking or checkout records at the jail? 469 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Did they have a sex relationship? That's something we're definitely 470 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: looking into, you know, when something like this said, let 471 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: me say this first, there's a lot of difference between 472 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: the county, the Kenton Center, and a prison. They're not 473 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: the same. Half the people in the county jail, including 474 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: Casey White, are presumed innocent until they're convicted. Even though 475 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: he's charged with capital murder, he's presumed innocent until he 476 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: gets his day in court. And that's a big difference 477 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: in the county jail and prison, state prison, federal prisons 478 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, that's obviously something we're looking into. 479 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: And when something like this happens, anyone worked in the 480 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: jail can tell you that in makes know everything. You know, 481 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: we start getting in may start telling that theffy's, hey, 482 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: I need talk to somebody. I know this, you know, 483 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: I know something. I need to talk to one of 484 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the investigators. And of course the motive is, hey, I 485 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: helped you out. I can you get my sentence refuse? 486 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: Can you get me put on? Me get put on 487 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: pro basing for etail? The good I cooperated, you know, 488 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: as always a self motive when that happened. So you 489 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: take that with, you know, somewhat with a grain of salt, 490 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: but you can't get told ignore. So, yes, we've had 491 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: them inmates tell us that they had a thing going on. 492 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: We're trying to confirm that is not being confirmed at 493 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: this time, but we are looking into it. Well, it 494 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time. Take a listen to our 495 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: cut eight. Lauren McIntyre's that name Ringabelle McIntyre formed a 496 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: relationship with Andrew Roberts after she was assigned to be 497 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: his keyworker. She claimed she started a rapport with the 498 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: convicted murderer and a bid to uncover intel on what 499 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: was going on inside the prison, but that spiraled out 500 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: of control pretty quickly. First, McIntyre did not reveal to 501 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: her superiors that Roberts had an illegal cell phone. She 502 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: gave him her number and sent him a photo of herself. 503 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: The prison guard claimed it was so she could pass 504 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: a test and show that she could be trusted. Then 505 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: the pair began regularly exchanging text messages. One message read 506 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: today was real hot and risky, but I'm so needing you. 507 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: Another message. I still keep remembering the first time you 508 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: kissed me. A physical relationship began soon after, and of 509 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: course we'll never forget the Shaw Shank Samestress, Joyce Mitchell 510 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: our cut Tian Listen today Joyce telling Mitchell in stripes, 511 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: shackles and tears, pleading guilty to helping the two murderers escape. 512 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: She was swept off her feet a bit for a period, 513 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: and then when she realized who she was dealing with, 514 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: everything changed. In newly released statements, Mitchell describes a deepening 515 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: friendship within mate Richard Matt quote he treated me with 516 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: respect and was nice to me. She says he made 517 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: me feel special. That relationship turning sexual inmate Matt grabbed 518 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: me and kissed me. Mitchell also admits sending naked pictures 519 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: to the other prisoner, David Sweat, telling police Matt told 520 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: her we were all going to be together. She got 521 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: in over her head into something that she never should 522 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: have started, but she did, and she's paying the price. 523 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: Mitchell admits smuggling hacksall blades, chisels, a punch tool, and 524 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a screwdriver to the prisoners, hiding them inside frozen hamburger meat, 525 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: Matt giving her two pills to drug her husband Lyle 526 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: on the day of the escape. They referred to Lyle 527 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: as the glitch. I mean doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining 528 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: us from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, 529 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: star of a new Netflix hit, Laying Empire. Bethany, I've 530 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: got so many pages of similar transactions they're coming out 531 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: of my ears of women and treating me with respect. 532 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: What they had sex in the closet with all the 533 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: other inmates in the next room. I mean, I don't 534 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: get it. What happened? If this woman failed for this killer, 535 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: what is she thinking? Oh, Nancy? The first case I 536 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: ever covered on Good Morning America twenty years ago as 537 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: a woman who was a nurse prison and she actually 538 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: shot several other guards trying to help an inmate escape, 539 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: and she claimed to be in love with him. She 540 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: was a nurse, highly trained. So let's think about Vicky White. 541 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: One of the things I don't know about her life, 542 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: if I was doing an assessment is did she have 543 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: her own romantic life outside of the jail. Did she 544 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: have a support system out there? It sounds like she 545 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: was beloved, smart, intelligent, did her job right now. I'm sorry, 546 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: Bethanie Marshall, but there's just no White. But this support system, well, romance, 547 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: my rear end, none of that matter. Reason ahead, Well, 548 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: the reason I ask all of this is people who 549 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: are super smart, like Vicky White, sometimes they have a 550 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: veneer of sophistication. They kind of covers up a vulnerability. 551 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: And she may have had a mental vulnerability that predisposed 552 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: her to being manipulated by Casey White. And you know, 553 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: Casey probably drew her in just like a child molester 554 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: draws in a child, you know, hey, stimulating her to 555 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: feel special feelings. You're beautiful, You're lovely, nobody appreciates you 556 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: but me, slowly turning her against everyone around her. We 557 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: know that women who help inmates escape they're drawn into 558 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: a very paranoid world. And by paranoid, I mean that 559 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: the inmate makes her will have made her feel that 560 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: she is the only one who understands him. I gotta 561 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: tell you something, dodr Bethany. I think everything you just 562 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: said is right except one thing. What's that She's not 563 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: just a woman. She is the law. That's right. When 564 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: you take on the mantle and you wear a badge, 565 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: or you carry a badge, or you represent the state, 566 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: you're not just a person anymore. It's like the president, 567 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: whether you love him, whether you hate him, whether it's 568 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: Biden or Trump or whoever is up there that is 569 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: the president. They symbolize something bigger than themselves, just like 570 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: she wore a badge, and that makes her not just 571 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: a person. Yeah, but now if you think about this, 572 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Think about surgeons who have commit botched surgeries, therapists who 573 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: have sex with their patients. There's certain people who are 574 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: trained in their field, but then they become corrupt and 575 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: they blur the boundaries and there's something internal where they 576 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: do not respect their certification or their dignity. Bethanie, maybe 577 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: they can call you as a defense witness when this 578 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: woman finally is caught. If she's caught, and if she's alive, 579 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: let's don't forget this. The murder victim's family to wake 580 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: up and read the headline of the news and say, 581 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: not only as Casey White the killer escape, they kill 582 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: their mother, their mother. He had a female sheriff help him. 583 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: Listen if you can listen. Seven years ago, Austin Williams 584 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: lost his mother, Connie Ridgeway, after she was brutally stabbed 585 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: in her home in Rogersville. My mother, she was just 586 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: such a nice person. Kind of everybody's frown. This is 587 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: the last person you expect anything to happen to. Four years. 588 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: It was a code case until twenty twenty when Casey 589 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: White confessed to the crime. As White sat in the 590 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: Lauderdale County jail Williams felt there was justice for his 591 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: mother and awaited the day he would go on trial. 592 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Now that hope is gone after White escaped Friday, warning, 593 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: it's shocking and it's just like you just wonder how 594 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: it's possible, because you know, we really wanted it to 595 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: go to trial just so that we could hear more 596 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: of the story. Williams has a warning for everyone. That's 597 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: someone like Casey who's six foot six, two hundred and 598 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: fifty pounds come into her apartment and stabbed her to death. 599 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,959 Speaker 1: That's the kind of person this is is the person 600 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: you need to you need to look out for. That's 601 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: our friends at w VTM thirteen straight out to WAFF 602 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: forty eight du Quan Duquan describe the search for this 603 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: killer and this female sheriff. It's been ongoing for several days. 604 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: As good as you can imagine, everything is very fluid. 605 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: As Sheriff Rick Sickleton said, they aggled that they're going 606 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: for now is just trying to figure out what vehicle 607 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: these two may have gotten the way in. They say 608 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: that after they got out of the deputy's car, the 609 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: strands Ford vehicle just before ten o'clock, those two eventually 610 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: got away and made their escape through a certain vehicle, 611 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: And that's what they're trying to figure out right now 612 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: that I think will be the next key that maybe 613 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: can turn this missing person situation into something much more. 614 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: Didn't she take the sheriff's vehicle? Was it a shopping 615 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: mall or a strip center and park? Yes? It was 616 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: a suping Okay, do they not have any video surveilance? 617 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: I think that's what they're trying to figure out. They 618 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: may have gotten it from one person, but I actually 619 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: went to the spot myself before went to the courthouse 620 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: to talk to rick siblings, and it's actually in a 621 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: spot whether herd to VID the camera, so I can 622 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: believe that they've had getting any security plea. Well, you 623 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: know what, that tells me that the whole thing was 624 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: planned out. You can't just go to a strip center, 625 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: a shopping mall and happen to park in the one spot. 626 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: There's not video surveillance. We know that she just filed 627 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: for a retirement. She's pretty young, but because she's been 628 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: in the business for so long, she could retire, and 629 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: she sold her house, so she's got a lot of cash. Um, 630 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: what else, if anything, do we know about the possibility 631 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: this was long planned, about it being long planned. I mean, 632 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: what only signs do we really need? Sells her home, 633 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: alcial environment. They do have an a restaurant out for 634 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: Vicky White right now, as do so. I mean, if 635 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: you look at any other signs, how can you say, hey, 636 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: this twisted love situation. Of course everything is no thing 637 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: is said in stone. But with the information we have, 638 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: how can how can the man point to that side? 639 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and let's hope we can 640 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: find Vicky White before this guy kills her. Nancy Grace 641 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: come story, signing off, goodbye, th