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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette. I

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Speaker 1: record this podcast, as senior writer Jonathan Strickland, I'll probably

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Speaker 1: be some kind of scientists building inventions in my space lab.

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Speaker 1: In space, yeah, but will you be blinded with science? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: This entire episode comes as a part of an experiment.

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Speaker 1: I went on to Google Plus and I posted there

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Speaker 1: got lots and lots and lots of suggestions, many of

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Speaker 1: which we hope to tackle in future episodes. But today

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Speaker 1: this Google Plus first, So I guess we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Google Plus suggestion. This comes from Keegan, who says, what

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Speaker 1: about a look at how we will interact with the

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Speaker 1: Internet five years from now? So Chris and I are

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Speaker 1: putting on our press digitator prognostication hats and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: stare into the future until our eyes get all blurry,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna tell you what we see. So, um,

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Speaker 1: Internet five years, how are we gonna interact with it? Go?

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Speaker 1: Uh that's a good question, now, um it would it

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Speaker 1: would be easy for me to say that that tablets

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Speaker 1: I've given up on uh computers, specifically desktop peters, because

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Speaker 1: model for you know, a set price, and people who

433
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Speaker 1: really use them, save families, you know, who have multiple

434
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Speaker 1: people watching multiple shows in multiple rooms. You know, that's

435
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Speaker 1: a great way to use a ton of bandwidth. You know.

436
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: Of course they're they're arguments that say, it's really just

437
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Speaker 1: the people who are downloading lots of stuff illegally. UM.

438
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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of there's so many legitimate

439
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Speaker 1: ways to use a lot of bandwidth. Now, Yeah, I

440
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: mean before before there were these these venues where you

441
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Speaker 1: could get to this content in a legal way, maybe

442
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Speaker 1: you could make the argument that the people who are

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Speaker 1: eating up all the bandwidth, we're pirates. But I don't

444
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Speaker 1: think that's the case today. Well, a lot of them

445
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Speaker 1: say right now, the people who are using the bandwidth

446
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Speaker 1: that gets them into trouble are they're they're a small

447
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Speaker 1: minority of people, like only I'm making up a number

448
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Speaker 1: because I haven't seen it in a while, but the

449
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Speaker 1: last time I looked it was they were saying something

450
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Speaker 1: like three to five percent if their customers. They're saying, oh, no,

451
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, these bandwidth caps don't affect the majority

452
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Speaker 1: of our customers. But the thing is, the services themselves

453
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Speaker 1: are encouraging us to use as much data as we

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Speaker 1: can take, and the brought the providers are all starting

455
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Speaker 1: to cap their services. Not all of them, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are. And uh, in some cases they're

457
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Speaker 1: not making it clear to subscribers exactly how much data

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Speaker 1: they're using and how much it's going to put them

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Speaker 1: in trouble. So I think it within the next five

460
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Speaker 1: years you're going to start to see that clash, especially

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Speaker 1: because broadband penetration is still somewhat limited in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Speeds are somewhat slower here than in other places, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think as these things ratchet up and

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Speaker 1: people are encouraging us to use more data, this is

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Speaker 1: going to come into conflict and the providers are going

466
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Speaker 1: to hear from their customers how unhappy they are with

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Speaker 1: the service because you know, hey, you say, I can

468
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Speaker 1: use you know, all this data and it's and it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be such a fast network, and when I

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Speaker 1: actually try to use it, I can't. It'd also be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see if I s p s, if they

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Speaker 1: do create this this sort of compartmentalized UH Internet, and

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Speaker 1: in which case, really we can't even call it the

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Speaker 1: Internet anymore, because the Internet is supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: global network of networks. And if we're talking about I

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Speaker 1: s p s each creating their own, then they all

477
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Speaker 1: just become networks. You might become Internet with a lowercase I,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to Internet Internet with the upper case I.

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Speaker 1: So instead of being a joke, we will we will

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Speaker 1: really be talking about the internets. Yeah, it really will

481
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Speaker 1: be the internets. Which one do you have? UM? There's

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Speaker 1: also the possibility that some of these I s p s,

483
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Speaker 1: and they a lot of these companies have tried this already,

484
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Speaker 1: will try to make their own services that that mimic

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Speaker 1: or replace the services from other UH providers out there,

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Speaker 1: not just I s p s, but other companies as well.

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Speaker 1: So let's say that you know, I s p A

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Speaker 1: decides to come up with its own version of Twitter

489
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Speaker 1: and UH and then and then doesn't allow you to

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Speaker 1: access Twitter on its on its services. UM. And instead

491
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Speaker 1: encourages you to use this other one. That's another way

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Speaker 1: that this stuff can get further fragmented. I don't think

493
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Speaker 1: it would ever happen, but it's possible. Um, another thing

494
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Speaker 1: we might see our we've scene already. I'm curious to

495
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Speaker 1: find out if within five years, if it's proven to

496
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Speaker 1: be a successful campaign or not. Or are paywalls and

497
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: of course the paywall is where you, uh, you can't

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Speaker 1: have access to a particular sites content until after you

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Speaker 1: pay a subscription fee. Right, so if you want to read,

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Speaker 1: as an example, a current example the New York Times,

501
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: there are a certain amount of there's a certain number

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Speaker 1: of articles that you can read for free per month,

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Speaker 1: per month, and then after that you are asked to

504
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Speaker 1: go ahead and subscribe. The Wall Street Journal on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, Yeah, I mean there there's certain content that

506
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Speaker 1: you can get depending on how you're you're doing it,

507
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: but um, for the most part, you have to pay

508
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to do that now some

509
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: I think it will be more common, um paywall or no,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think or whether they succeed in in

511
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Speaker 1: in general, I would say I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of um, maybe hybrid subscriptions, like for example,

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Speaker 1: Wired magazine. Right now, if you are a print subscriber,

514
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: I've been a print subscriber for many years. Um, you

515
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Speaker 1: can also UH and this is a fairly recent development

516
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Speaker 1: as of the time of recording this. You can also

517
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Speaker 1: if you have an iPad, as I do, you can

518
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: download the issues you have been subscribing to. So now

519
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I get all the the digital issues free because I

520
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: am a print subscriber, and I think they're like getting

521
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: them free, They're just included in your subscription. Right Well,

522
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm getting them a new extra cost because at one point, Wired,

523
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: the online app required you to pay regardless of whether

524
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Speaker 1: or not you are a print subscriber. So I'm getting

525
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Speaker 1: it as a benefit of my subscription. I get both

526
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Speaker 1: versions of of that, and I think that's probably going

527
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Speaker 1: to become more common because I think the tablet was

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: at one point considered the uh, you know, the saving

529
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Speaker 1: grace for magazines and newspapers, and I think people do

530
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Speaker 1: enjoy reading some of that content in that format. However,

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Speaker 1: people who are I've seen it pretty much with regard

532
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: to just about every magazine that has a subscription available. Hey,

533
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: why are you charging me? For this digital version. I'm

534
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: already a subscriber to the print version. Can't I have both?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think there are a lot of people

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00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: will be willing to say, yeah, okay, I'll give you

537
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Speaker 1: an extra two bucks or five bucks, give me both

538
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: because I like both. UM and you know, so I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think what will be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: two is within the next five years if there's a

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Speaker 1: related model that I think it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: if it survives or not. Which is the model that

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00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: companies like HBO where you know, you can get HBO

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Speaker 1: content online but only if you are a customer of

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Speaker 1: a cable company and you have HBO as part of

546
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: your service. Yeah, CNN does that too, now, yeah, see

547
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: does it? I think interesting to look that up. It

548
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Speaker 1: just surprised me because I mean, it's been a while

549
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: since I've into that site. But really, the last time

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Speaker 1: I went to a CNN dot com they had updated

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00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: their but and this is again very recent, I think

552
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Speaker 1: within the last two or three weeks before we recorded this.

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00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: If you want to access the video, UM, you sign

554
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: in as a you know, to your your provider and

555
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: they will say okay, now now you have access to

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00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: the video online because you're already a subscriber, right, So

557
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting interesting to see if that works or

558
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Speaker 1: if HBO decides to open it up a little bit

559
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Speaker 1: where I mean, I would imagine it will always be

560
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: a subscription service. It's never gonna be free necessarily, but

561
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: that you will not you won't have to be a

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Speaker 1: cable company customer in order to, um, to get access

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Speaker 1: to that that that content. I know there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who have cut the cord who would

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Speaker 1: love to have access to things like HBO original programming.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're all screaming for Game of Thrones, but

567
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Speaker 1: they can't watch it because they don't have a subscription.

568
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, they don't they don't have a cable company. Um,

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Speaker 1: they're not. They don't have a cable TV subscription, they

570
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Speaker 1: don't have HBO. So therefore they cannot access that material

571
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: even if they wanted, you know, had some online method. Uh,

572
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: it's unavailable to them because they have to be a

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00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: pre existing customer before they can also get it online. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting interesting to see if that lives for

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00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: five years or if that if that model goes away. UM.

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Speaker 1: I can imagine a lot of cable companies trying very

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: very hard to keep that model going because it's an

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: incentive for customers to remain with cable companies. Um. If

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00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: that if that were gone, if you could subscribe to

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00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: say Game of Thrones and you know, you pay a

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: certain subscription fee and that was it, um, I think

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Speaker 1: that you'd see even more people cutting the cord, which

583
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: would upset cable companies quite a bit. Yeah, I verified

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: that as of mid July. Like, if you want to

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: use cn CNN video on your iOS device, um that

586
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: you have to basically prove that you're a subscriber to

587
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: certain pay TV providers and that's you know, there are

588
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: a certain list of them that they're some of the

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00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: big ease UM. But yeah, I think that model would

590
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: be more um palatable to people to say, you know, hey, yeah,

591
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm already paying you something, you know, so that that's

592
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more tolerable that it's behind the wall.

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00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: But it's still still an issue for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: And there's still a lot of people who don't have uh,

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, access to the service at home or can't

596
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: get it and you know, still have to come in somehow.

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00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I mean it'll be interesting to see,

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Speaker 1: I think. Um, I'm hoping that the shiny, happy version

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Speaker 1: of the Internet will be the one that we have.

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Speaker 1: It'll probably be somewhere in between, like this this crazy

601
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Speaker 1: pervasive internet where we everything's at our fingertips and this

602
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: walled off internet where everything is behind a a gate

603
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Speaker 1: and we have to pay to get in. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it'll be some combination of the two. It's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be one or the other. Yeah, yeah, Well, it's the

606
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Internet is an evolving thing, you know. It's it's earliest

607
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: incarnations were something the public were completely unaware of. I

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Speaker 1: think I think a lot of people still get the

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Speaker 1: idea of my relatives are still completely unaware of it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think a lot of Yahoo

611
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Speaker 1: think I keep hearing about, are still unaware that there

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Speaker 1: was life before Yahoo, you know, for the Internet. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's trademarked. Yeah whatever. Um so, anyhow, it's free advertising

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Speaker 1: until they sue us for free advertising. Come on, alright,

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Speaker 1: fine Google, al Right, there we go. Now we're now

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Speaker 1: we're clear. I totally feel better now okay, good, alright,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna wrap up this conversation. Um yeah, So guys,

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Speaker 1: let us know what you're what you think the Internet

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Speaker 1: is going to be like in five years, Like, how

620
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: are we going to interact with the Internet? Um? Are

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Speaker 1: you thinking that we're thinking too small? Should we be

622
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Speaker 1: talking about cybernetic implants and uh and bionic eyes and

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Speaker 1: probably not five years? Well, I don't know, maybe we

624
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Maybe we just are too conservative. That's why I'm asking you.

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