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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's bringing Sean Salisbury, morning host to the

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Speaker 1: Sean Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston.

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Speaker 1: So what is going on with Deshan? Is he injured

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Speaker 1: or why would he not be going to Green Bay? Well, Dan,

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Speaker 1: because the Distraction are not playing and he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to play for them right now, I asked Charles Robinson yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys saw him. The door is still open, Dan.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna visit this while a lot of us have

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Speaker 1: it dead bolted and slam shut. But between now and

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Speaker 1: the time the season starts, if the commissioner doesn't come out,

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Speaker 1: if there's no legal implication and he's still there's no

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Speaker 1: restrictions on playing, they're gonna They're gonna visit this and

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Speaker 1: see if Deshaun Watson some point in time, he probably

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Speaker 1: doesn't need a lot of reps. He knows this offense

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Speaker 1: with Tim Kelly, So why is not going is he's

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Speaker 1: not going to play, so why take him? I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's injured. If it was it was minor, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I think this comes down to sitting down. If Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson decided between now and then the start of the season.

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Speaker 1: I want to play for the Texans. This is where

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Speaker 1: I want to be if he did that band for

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Speaker 1: this year and that The talk is unless there's some

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Speaker 1: federal felony indictment on him, a felony indictment, that the

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Speaker 1: commissioner is not going to make a decision anytime soon

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Speaker 1: on the information and the commissioner's examplest. So if he

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Speaker 1: can play and there is no restrictions other than the

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Speaker 1: optics of the legal stuff, why wouldn't you play him?

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Speaker 1: The question is, will DeShawn say yes, I'll go all

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on, you be talked into playing and we'll

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Speaker 1: deal with this in January or February, because right now

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Speaker 1: they're not going to play him. But I can tell

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Speaker 1: you this, if he's able to play, why the hell

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you play the best guy instead of have him

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Speaker 1: in shorts and a T shirt during the games on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. We know he wants to get paid, but also,

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Speaker 1: how can you put together a trade proposal if you're

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Speaker 1: one of these teams, Let's say you're the Eagles, You're

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Denver. You don't know when he's availing, and

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Speaker 1: it feels like the Texans aren't taking any kind of

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Speaker 1: secondary deals that they want top top end return on

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Speaker 1: wanting and they should, Dan, they should want top end

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Speaker 1: return because the before the legal stuff kicked in, this

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Speaker 1: is one of the three best assets in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, just was and he instantly makes your team better. Now,

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, I'm not getting twenty five cents

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Speaker 1: or fifty cents on the dollar for him, And the

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Speaker 1: stuff I can control is communicating with him seeing if

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Speaker 1: he wants to play, dealing with the football stuff, the

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Speaker 1: commissioner and the legal stuff. That's how above their pay grade.

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Speaker 1: So let's see what happens. But if you're the Texans,

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Speaker 1: you say, well, listen, he's under contract. He's not going

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Speaker 1: anywhere as long as we got him under contracts. So

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Speaker 1: he either wants to play if he can there's no restrictions,

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Speaker 1: or he doesn't, so we'll keep him here and then

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Speaker 1: we'll watch teams like the Giants or the Eagles, or

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Speaker 1: the Broncos or if the Vikings flounder this year, six

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Speaker 1: seven teams get into the mix. And you know this, Dan,

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Speaker 1: the more that's involved, the more draft picks are going

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Speaker 1: to get. The more first rounders are going to get,

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Speaker 1: his value will definitely be higher. I don't think missing

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Speaker 1: a season is gonna say, well, Deshaun can't play football anymore.

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Speaker 1: So if you're Nick Cassario, you're not just gonna give

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Speaker 1: him away. And I wouldn't either. You hold the cards.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else does right now, maybe the NFL and depending

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Speaker 1: on the legal side, but I'm not giving him away either.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything. I covered myself with

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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. So it's gonna be on Deshaun Watson, whether

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Speaker 1: he wants to play or not, because somewhere, somehow, desperation's

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Speaker 1: the only thing that would make a team right now, Dan, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you got a Jalen Hurts hurt in preseason or

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Speaker 1: you didn't think he could play, say oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: let's just do it, because eventually Deshaun Watson's gonna play anyway,

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Speaker 1: So let's just take the chance so we can get

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Speaker 1: through the legal stuff. Desperation will be the only way

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Speaker 1: they make a trade right now. How do you broach

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Speaker 1: the Kirk Cousins topic without making it political? Then are

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Speaker 1: we talking about the the hen? Yeah? Dan, for me,

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Speaker 1: I understand the side of people saying as a player

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Speaker 1: that it's selfish because you got other people's careers, wins

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Speaker 1: if I was a player, i'd probably think the same way.

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Speaker 1: But I also when you step outside, and how can

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Speaker 1: it not be political? Dan, We've turned a vaccine into

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Speaker 1: Republicans versus Democrats, conservative versus liberal, which is crazy because

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Speaker 1: both sides get it and both sides don't. I've always

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Speaker 1: been a guy that says you should have the choice,

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Speaker 1: but that's different in your personal life, because your personal

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Speaker 1: life sees us to exist just by you. When you

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Speaker 1: cross the line, and fifty three other players an organization

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Speaker 1: and wins and losses and their paychecks are on the line,

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Speaker 1: it's a tough decision. If kirk Cousin doesn't get vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: it's not like I wouldn't hang around him, not going

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Speaker 1: to be his friend. If kirk Cousins does get vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: it'll tell you that he's taken more responsibility for the team.

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Speaker 1: But I refuse to tell anybody how to run their

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Speaker 1: life because I don't know what their health is, or

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Speaker 1: what the downfall is or for their health, or what

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Speaker 1: goes on in their family or their religious police. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you this, though you have to keep in

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Speaker 1: mind that it's more than one person. In mind, it's

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Speaker 1: not just you and your family. You're talking about guys

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Speaker 1: that are relying on their paychecks and wins and losses.

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Speaker 1: And part of that falls on Kirk Cousin's shoulder. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling him he should get it or not.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be him and his family to decide.

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Speaker 1: You're in Texas. I'm curious how big the Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 1: situation is that this is a little trickier that this

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Speaker 1: isn't you know? We moved on from the ankle, it's

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Speaker 1: not the shoulder itself. And here they are contacting the

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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers staff on did they face any of these

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Speaker 1: kind of injuries with some of their pitchers? Is this

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Speaker 1: something nothing? I'm concerned, Dan, I don't trust when it

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Speaker 1: me about injuries. I don't trust any of them. Not

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to hide, but I don't trust any

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Speaker 1: of them telling me and you one thing and not knowing,

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Speaker 1: because first off, you're not going to panic a fan

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Speaker 1: base if you're really really worried and say, man, we're

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Speaker 1: concerned about Dak. Well, he's getting reps and we're watching

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Speaker 1: his reps. Anytime it comes to that part of the

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Speaker 1: body on a quarterback, Dan, of course, I'm concerned, especially

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Speaker 1: when he's been out for this time and have throwing

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Speaker 1: rehabbing his lower half injury. So yeah, I'm concerned. And

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Speaker 1: they're reaching out to others, which tells me maybe they

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Speaker 1: don't know what's happening in the house. The Cowboys cannot

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned because the defense is trying to scramble around

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Speaker 1: Texas and I think people think, well, it's early in camp,

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Speaker 1: will poo poo it away, He's gonna be okay. But

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Speaker 1: when it's talking to that, I think there's deeper And

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Speaker 1: I think there's deeper reason for concern for Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: I think he's a hell of a player, but I

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Speaker 1: know damn well that without him, the Dallas Cowboys become

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Speaker 1: just a team because he's not just a guy, He's

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Speaker 1: one of the guys. These max contracts for quarterbacks. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen just got paid. We're waiting to see what happens

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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield. But why is it

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Speaker 1: that Josh Allen just signed his extension That means Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson has to make more and then Baker Mayfield has

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Speaker 1: to make more. At some point, can't you just say, hey, Baker,

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Speaker 1: you're You're not a forty two million dollars a year guy.

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Speaker 1: You're just not. We're going to give you thirty five

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Speaker 1: there has to be some kind of financial sanity here

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Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield is not better than Josh Allen or

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. But if he signs last out of these three,

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Speaker 1: then is he going to make the most out of

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Speaker 1: this three? Dad, You're exactly right, You're worth the lion

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Speaker 1: in the sand of this where there is a financial responsibity.

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Speaker 1: Listen up, those quarterbacks you just mentioned. The guy who's

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, there is no question about it, and he

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Speaker 1: has elevated his play. Lamar is still working on his

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Speaker 1: What happens is the pecking order, Danny, you know this

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Speaker 1: a lot of times. It's not the best guy. It's

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Speaker 1: the timing of it, whether it's Dak Prescott during his injury,

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Speaker 1: needed to happen, and how desperate your franchise is. Now. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield's going to have a hell of

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Speaker 1: a year. But today, if you said Sean, who's getting

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Speaker 1: paid more? Josh Allen deserves more, but Dan. Let's say

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Speaker 1: they wait as a season goes on and Mayfield throws

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Speaker 1: they win the division. Guess who's gonna make that kind

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Speaker 1: and with Lamar same way, They're both gonna hover in

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Speaker 1: that forty million dollars range, neither one of him. Even

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Speaker 1: though he's got an MVP. Lamar's game still has to

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Speaker 1: expand in the passing game, but at dynamic talent, Baker

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Speaker 1: has elevated the people in Cleveland love him, and it

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Speaker 1: Stefanski in the front offense. Cleveland love him more than

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Speaker 1: looking in the next seven, eight, nine months. Those three

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Speaker 1: guys in that draft are all gonna make forty plus

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Speaker 1: or in that range. But the key is the season.

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Speaker 1: If Baker wants to buypass it, it's just not automatic

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Speaker 1: because you're the next guy you get paid. You got

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Speaker 1: to pay the best guy. But if Baker has a

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Speaker 1: great season and Lamar dan you're gonna be looking at

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Speaker 1: guys that will hover around Josh Allen if not more

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Speaker 1: that one hundred and fifty million. Guaranteed. It's called playing

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Speaker 1: the most important in the toughest position in the world

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Speaker 1: right now in sports, and those franchises believe in the guys,

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Speaker 1: and all three of them have made elevation. Josh is

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Speaker 1: the best of the three right now, Baker not far behind,

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Speaker 1: and obviously the most dynamic talent with his legs and

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Speaker 1: his ability as Lamar Jackson. If the Chargers and Rams

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Speaker 1: were a stock, which one would you buy? Ooh gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's a heck of a question. I'm so I think

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's a sneaky MVP can and I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if that's sneaky. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: sneaky because we know he can rip it. I would

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Speaker 1: probably if you tell me short term stock Dan Rams,

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Speaker 1: longer term stock, I'm going like three years or more,

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Speaker 1: two years and more. I'm taking the charges because I

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Speaker 1: believe Herbert is really really special and they've got a roster.

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Speaker 1: I think the Rams have a window. But that window

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to stay open long. We've seen it

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Speaker 1: in the Seattles and Washington and injuries coming to play

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Speaker 1: this year, I'll take the Rams. Two years from now,

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Speaker 1: I'll take the charges. So short term, long term investments.

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Speaker 1: I got the Rams this year because I think that

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Speaker 1: which takes you from essentially one seventy five to two

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Speaker 1: h seven. So Lucas the first one to sign this

427
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Speaker 1: deal having already been All NBA twice. Other great young

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Speaker 1: players Tatum and Donovan, Mitchell, Trey Young, they can earn

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Speaker 1: that two hundred million in their deal if they become

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Speaker 1: All NBA twice. Lucas the first one who's already done

431
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Speaker 1: it at twenty two years old twice before he signed

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Speaker 1: the contract. Why did everybody jump on Mark Cuban's jet

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Speaker 1: and go to Slovenia for the signing, including Jason Kidd

434
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Speaker 1: if it's a foregone conclusion, Like did they have to

435
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Speaker 1: massage him a little bit nurture him a little bit here?

436
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Speaker 1: I think it's just a sign of respect of what

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Speaker 1: he means to that organization that they would come and

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Speaker 1: do it collectively. And you know, formally present it to him.

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Speaker 1: There was going to be a press conference later today

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Speaker 1: in Slovenia. But I think it's just because of who

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Speaker 1: he is, what he means to the organization. You know,

442
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: we're not going to do anything but but be buttoned up,

443
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Speaker 1: come see you present it, tell you what you mean

444
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Speaker 1: to us, and have him signed a contract. I wonder

445
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Speaker 1: and as many people as you talk to, can the

446
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Speaker 1: MAVs build a championship team around Luca? And if so,

447
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Speaker 1: how do you do that? Well? That you certainly can

448
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Speaker 1: build one around him. There's no question he is that

449
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Speaker 1: this is a future MVP in the league, probably multiple

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Speaker 1: MVPs before he's done. Yeah, I to listen. I think

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Speaker 1: the progress of Chris Epps Porzingis and his health, I

452
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Speaker 1: think mentally just I think embracing that role alongside Luca,

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Speaker 1: how this goes now with Jason Kidd, those are going

454
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Speaker 1: to be really important factors. And they traded for Porzingis

455
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Speaker 1: with the idea that this was going to be a

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Speaker 1: legit number two co star, and health has played a

457
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Speaker 1: lot of has been a lot of the factor of

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Speaker 1: why he's not been as effective. They need him to

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Speaker 1: get healthy, but certainly they need more. They're not there yet.

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Speaker 1: They've been knocked out in the first round twice by

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Speaker 1: the clus But Lucas twenty two years old, and we

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Speaker 1: can look at the progression of other great players in

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Speaker 1: the league. You know, Jannis, the struggles he went through,

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Speaker 1: finally winning it at twenty six, right this year, So

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Speaker 1: it's not probably next year, it's not the year after.

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Speaker 1: I think we see how these things evolve. You know,

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Speaker 1: it is rare that you're going to win a title

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Speaker 1: with your best player at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,

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Speaker 1: even when it's someone of the talent of Luca Dodchich.

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Speaker 1: Are the Lakers done with moves? Well, I think certainly

471
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Speaker 1: significant moves. I think there's still some room to add

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Speaker 1: another veteran minimum player to their roster. But but this

473
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Speaker 1: is largely the team they'll have. And you saw them

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Speaker 1: go out in free agency because of the Westbrook trade

475
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Speaker 1: and trading essentially three for one in that deal, losing

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Speaker 1: Crusoe to the Bulls. You know, they had to fill

477
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Speaker 1: out their roster and you kind of saw a combination

478
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Speaker 1: of some players who had been there before older. You know,

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Speaker 1: they get a couple of four men and Carmelo Anthony

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Speaker 1: Trevor Riza come there, Dwight Howard comes back as a

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Speaker 1: as a center for them, and then a couple of

482
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Speaker 1: younger guards Malik Monk, Kendrick Nunn comes from Miami. So, uh, like,

483
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Speaker 1: when you're the Lakers, you can get some guys to

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Speaker 1: take that veteran minimum uh deal, you know who might

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Speaker 1: might be able to make a little bit more elsewhere,

486
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Speaker 1: but you go there on a one year deal, you

487
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Speaker 1: have a chance to win a championship. You can increase

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Speaker 1: your value, and I think that's what a couple of

489
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Speaker 1: those guys are counting in. What do you think, uh,

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Speaker 1: the league reaction is to what the Lakers did? Listen,

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Speaker 1: I think, listen, I think the people know that the Lakers,

492
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Speaker 1: you know, we're formidable last year, they'll be formidable again.

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Speaker 1: Health is going to play a big part in this,

494
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Speaker 1: and regardless of the role players around their stars, Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, you know, listen, health played a huge part

496
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Speaker 1: in why that team got knocked out and they lost

497
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Speaker 1: to a very good Phoenix team. And who knows, maybe

498
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Speaker 1: at full strength Phoenix still wins that series. We won't know,

499
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Speaker 1: but certainly, Lebron, now you know, you know pass studying

500
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Speaker 1: with it will be thirty seven right in the playoffs

501
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Speaker 1: next year, Anthony Davis coming off of a significant injury.

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Speaker 1: Keeping those guys healthy as you saw it last year

503
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Speaker 1: in the postseason, and you saw the team's Milwaukee for

504
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: the most part, was able to stay healthy. They did

505
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Speaker 1: lose de Vincenzo. You know, health played a huge factor,

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Speaker 1: I think when there was this such attrition around the

507
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Speaker 1: league coming off of in that condensed schedule, and I'm

508
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Speaker 1: sure that'll be the case next year. But this is

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Speaker 1: an LA team, especially because of the Lebron's age, You've

510
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Speaker 1: got to go for it every year. And now they

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Speaker 1: bring in Russell Westbrook, who listen, is going to bring

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Speaker 1: a lot to that team. They still have to subron

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Speaker 1: that group with shooting. That's not where Russ does. Russ

514
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Speaker 1: is not going to be a catch and shoot guy

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Speaker 1: when the double teams, when when Lebron kicks it out,

516
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: Russ is going to still attack the rim. And so

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Speaker 1: it's a different dynamic for them. What about Dennis Shrewder

518
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Speaker 1: who turned down that extension. And now there's a report

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Speaker 1: this morning that maybe you'll sign with the Celtics. Could

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Speaker 1: could the Lakers have done a sign in trade with

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Speaker 1: him to get something in return. They could do one

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Speaker 1: if that interested them. They have the ability. I've not

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Speaker 1: since that's been something for them that because remember, somebody

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Speaker 1: else has to want to give up something of value.

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Speaker 1: And I think teams, you know, there's teams who can

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Speaker 1: sign Shrewder. Probably not not certainly it's the number that

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Speaker 1: he could have had with the Lakers. But I haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten a sense since free agency has really gotten rolling

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Speaker 1: that there's been a lot of sign and trade scenarios. Again,

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Speaker 1: if the Lakers are going to take somebody on it,

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Speaker 1: and they're in the tax and remember that player is

532
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Speaker 1: going to cost them exponentially more because of the tax bill.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got to think that the guy whose

534
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: contract is probably going to be two or three times

535
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Speaker 1: what he makes on your tax bill, is that worth

536
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Speaker 1: taking on? And so and again, teams don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they feel like they've got to give up something

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00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: of great quality to bring in Dennis Shrewder. Now they

539
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Speaker 1: can sign them if they have their mid level exception

540
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Speaker 1: that taxpyramid level, which is around six million, they can

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Speaker 1: sign them to. That. Is there any chance that an

542
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Speaker 1: owner could just say I don't care about the tax ramifications,

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Speaker 1: like Steve Ballmer has how many billions and billions of

544
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Speaker 1: dollars that Like the Yankees, they just said we don't

545
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Speaker 1: care what the luxury tax is. Could you see an

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Speaker 1: NBA owner going rogue and just saying, hey, go I'll

547
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Speaker 1: pay it. I'm but I well, I'm blow through the

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Speaker 1: stop sign. Yeah, I mean we've seen it. I mean

549
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: Golden States tax bill has been enormous. I mean they

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Speaker 1: brought in Kelly Ubrey last year and his salary, I

551
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Speaker 1: think he costs them. Trying to remember just Ubrey's salary

552
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: was over I think fifty million dollars when you the tax,

553
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: that's commitment that that's a lot of money for Kelly.

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Speaker 1: You break in a year where you probably where you

555
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: know you're not going to win the title without Klay

556
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Speaker 1: Thompson last year. Listen, Brooklyn's tax bill is going to

557
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Speaker 1: be enormous. The Lakers are going to be and Steve

558
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Ballmer and with the Clippers once they resigned Kawhi Leonard.

559
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: So I think teams have gone significantly in it. You know,

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00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: if you remember proker Off in Brooklyn early on with

561
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: the nets, they didn't have success. It was no object

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Speaker 1: to him. So I think we've seen it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's all relative to you know, how astronomical

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Speaker 1: it goes. But there comes a point where you're locked

565
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Speaker 1: in by the cap or you just can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: just keep adding big salaries. You're essentially that the cap

567
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work necessarily that way where you get locked in

568
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: at certain slots, and so you're just paying, you know,

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Speaker 1: a ton of packs for a guy making three or

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Speaker 1: four or five or six million. That doesn't mean he's

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Speaker 1: a great player and it makes any sense to do it.

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Speaker 1: Did you trade Mark Wog? No, not that I know of.

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Speaker 1: You should probably do it today. Why something happened? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like, I just think you

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Speaker 1: just go with one name. It's like I think you've

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Speaker 1: you've earned at staying Prince Madonna Wog. Yeah. I hadn't

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Speaker 1: thought of it in that grouping, but um, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's something I'll check into this afternoon, Dan. Okay, not

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Speaker 1: this morning, but this afternoon, you will after lunch and

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Speaker 1: trademark wog bomb too. Well, there you go, okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought any of this. Thanks, thanks damn all. Right,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Wo'd be well. Adrian wojan Rownski