WEBVTT - Find the Cheapest Flights with $Pro Scott Keyes #064 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.920 Welcome to How to Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt, 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.880 and today we're discussing how to find the cheapest flights 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:26.960 with money pro Scott Kay's Joel. This is going to 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.920 be an awesome episode. It turns out that folks are 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.559 booking their airfare, booking their flights all wrong, and Scott's 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.640 here to drop some knowledge on us. You know, it 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.279 kind of hurts sometimes, Matt, to be told you're doing 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.880 something wrong, but ultimately it's gonna save you lots of money. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.520 It's worth it, right, I'll take it. Take your medicine, Joel. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.839 But real quick, before we get to that, I want 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.040 to let you know, Matt, I installed this new Chrome 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.040 extension called Facebook news feed Eradicator and we'll put a 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.760 link to it in the show notes. Sounds so hardcore, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.760 it is news Eradicator. So I'm reading this book right 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.400 now by Cal Newport and we're hoping to have him 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.320 on as a money row in in a couple of months, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.800 but he just came out with a book called Digital Minimalism, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.399 and man, it's really kicking me in the pants. We've 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.080 talked before about how I gray scale my phone. We've 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.000 talked about putting your phone on airplane mode to get 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.920 more accomplished. And then this Chrome extension that I just installed, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.600 I feel like he's been a big boon to my 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.120 productivity because here's what it does when I go to 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.200 Facebook instead of seeing my news feed because me like 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.600 a quote from Buddha or something like that. So literally 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.399 you have you have no feed, And basically the essential 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.000 tools of Facebook that you can use are the notifications 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.319 and your groups over on your on the left, and 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.280 that's all that matters anyway, dog right. The worst part 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.039 about Facebook is the mindless feed scroll. And I feel 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.160 like that's what I got sucked into on occasion. And 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.839 so now even i'll honestly find myself, I'm learning quickly 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.679 how I would resort to the Facebook news feed when 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.320 I just had a couple of minutes extra and my 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.200 my fingers just literally across the keyboard type in Facebook, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:52.760 and I go there, and now I'm like, oh wait, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.080 there's nothing for me to do, and I quickly x 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.240 out and I'm done. So if anyone's looking to be 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.480 just like a little more productive and finds himself mindlessly 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.960 scrolling through their Facebook news feed, it's a really worthwhile thing. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.480 To consider installing this Chrome extension the Facebook news feed eradicator, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:08.560 and like I said, we'll post a link in the 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.560 show notes. What what do you think, Matt, is something 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.800 you would do? Yeah? I love that. That's that's awesome. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.320 Although I don't find myself getting lost as much in 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.720 just the Facebook news feed. I kind of, honestly, I 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.559 find myself going to actual news outlets and just obsessively 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.800 sort of by default, like you said, when there's an 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.680 extra minute, going off to that website and just kind 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.720 of seeing what's going on in the world. That's just 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.480 how I operate. But um, while we're talking about Chroma 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.040 extension as though if you're looking to save some money, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.960 have you ever heard of Honey I have. Yeah, Man, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.840 that's one that Kate and I use a lot, And 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.520 if you haven't heard of it, it applies coupons that 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.680 already exists online to your shopping cart when you're checking out, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.160 and specifically we use it a lot with Amazon and uh, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.359 they have an option where it shows the price history 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.200 of a product, so you can kind of see where 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:53.799 it's been and so if it's currently at a good 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.560 price point, you know to buy. Sometimes it'll suggest buying 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.040 from different sellers as well. If Prime isn't that important 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.000 to you, you can save out of money by ordering 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.320 from this seller. Obviously you don't have the prime shipping benefits, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.200 but sometimes that's not important. And you can also create 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.360 a drop list where you get emails on items that 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.799 you saved, and so then as the price goes down, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.840 you get an email giving you the heads up, so 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.919 you know to buy. That's super cool. Yeah, and also 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.960 we use it seriously all that all the time. Well, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.200 I've been using one for a lot of years called 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.480 Invisible Hand, and it kind of works in the background 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.280 and if I'm on an Amazon page, let's say there's 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.200 a little drop down that that occurs and it says 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.920 we found this item for five dollars cheaper at Walmart 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.480 dot com or at whatever. And so I love those extensions. Yeah, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.720 it's great. But I'm gonna check out honey, because honestly, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.680 I haven't used it, but I've heard good things. So 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.560 the beer that we're drinking on the show today, man 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.600 is Penguin, which is a blonde stout aged and bourbon barrels. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.840 And this is my rhyan Geist brewery in Cincinnati. Again, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.600 it turns out Mad. A couple of people at rhein 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.000 Geist are listeners, and Natalie sweetly reached out set an 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.240 email and said, can we please send you guys some beers? 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.800 So thank you Natalie and the folks at rhein Geist. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.200 We're excited to have this beer. So we'll tell you 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.640 what we think about this blonde stout Asian bourbon barrels 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.880 and we've never had a blonde stout on the show before. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.119 I don't even know if I've ever had a blond 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.080 stout in my life. So I'll tell you what we 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.800 think about this beer at the end of the show. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.960 And man, I didn't know a ton about Ryan guy, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.960 so I looked them up this afternoon. Have you seen 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.600 their tasting room that they have in downtown Cincinnati. I've 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.000 seen pictures. It looks amazing. Dude. It is the coolest 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.120 space I think I've ever seen. It's definitely cooler than 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:21.960 any tasting room that I've been too. So I kind 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.960 of want to go up there just to drink beer 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:29.480 in their space. Road trip. Let's do it. High five, Yeah, Matt, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.920 speaking of cool stuff, Well, Scott Kay's he's a really 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.240 cool dude and he's our money pro for today. And 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.680 also he's got one of the coolest jobs. He has 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.680 an email newsletter service called Scott Cheap Flights. He sends 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.000 out alerts to anybody who subscribed to the service about 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.359 cheap flights. I've been a subscriber for years and Scott 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.400 helping me find some great deals. And you know what, 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.200 even if I don't get to buy the deal, which 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.559 I usually don't like, I just love dreaming and seeing 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.640 how cheap things are and kind of comparing prices. So 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.080 it's a really cool service. Yeah, what's cool about Scott's 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.440 Cheap Flights is this is something we've recommended of four 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.120 We've talked about his website in previous episodes, and to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.359 now actually have him on as a money pro is 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.000 super cool. I think that's that's awesome man. And the 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.799 way it started a little bit of his back story 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.800 is that in Scott he scored a round trip ticket 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.359 to Milan, Italy for a hundred and thirty bucks, which 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.360 is an awesome deal. He wasn't even planning a trip 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.760 to Italy, but he had to take advantage of such 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.880 a great deal. And then when he got back, his 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.400 friends were asking him, you know, they were saying, hey, dude, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.479 let us know next time you see an awesome deal 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.520 like that. And those emails like that was the start 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.960 of Scott's Cheap Flights, the birth of something great. It's awesome. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.919 But now he they've got over one point six million 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.440 members subscribed and some personal nerdy travel stats on him. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.760 He's flown around the Earth fifteen times since and he's 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.360 got over thirty eight different stamps in his passport. That's 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.159 like the opposite of me, because I travel very I 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.440 travel very little. Scott Kay's not a home body. And 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.000 I think the reason that most people don't travel Matt 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.800 is because it's prohibitively expensive. And travel can be expensive, 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.839 especially if you don't know how to book it well. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.520 But for most people, they do have a wanderlust. They 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.520 want to travel, they want to get out there and 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.680 explore the world a little bit more. And it turns 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.120 out the traveling is cheaper than ever, but only for 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.640 people who know how to book travel well, who know 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.599 how to score to the cheap flights. So everyone wants 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.600 that deal, but often we suck at finding the deal. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.560 That's just because we haven't been trained to do it. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.280 But that changes today. So just a reminder that every 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.960 money Pro episode we bring on our money Pro, they 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.839 get five minutes of time to give us their distilled 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.920 wisdom on one topic, and today Scott's gonna tell us 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.880 how to find the cheapest flights. So let's hear Scott's 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.000 five minutes of money Pro right now. Hey guys, today 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.760 I'm super excited to talk to you about how to 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.000 score cheap flights. This is what I've devoted my career too, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.840 and so I'm excited to dig right in with you all. So, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.840 the very first tip that I recommend to folks when 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.680 they're thinking about how to score cheap flights is to 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.120 actually flip their flights search order. So let me giving 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.599 an example. The way that most people tend to search 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.360 for flights is a three step process. Step one, they 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.000 pick where they want to go, Step two, they pick 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.680 what dates do they want to go there, And only 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.880 on step three do they see what is the airfare 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.680 for that particular route and date. And by setting price 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.440 as the third order priority, it's not terribly surprising that 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.520 you end up getting some pretty expensive flights doing it 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.960 with that approach. So what I recommend to folks is 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.760 actually flipping that order and going with the strategy like this. First, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.640 see what cheap flights are out there. You know, there's 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.720 a dozens of tools Google Flights, Momondo, Kayak Explorer. See 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.080 where the cheap flights are to various places around the world. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.880 Step two, decide which of those cheap destinations appeal to you. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.880 Where do you actually want to go among Maybe there's 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.920 four undred dollar flights to Rome, Barcelona, and Paris. Yeah, Rome, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.760 I'd love to go fourner bucks. And then see, okay, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.600 are there dates for that fourner dollar affair to Rome 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.080 that work with your schedule? Yeah, that like May eight 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.120 to fifteen, I could get that off work, I could go. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.680 And by setting price as the first order concern right 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.720 in the third order concern, you're much much more likely 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.520 to get an actual, really cheap flight. And especially if 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.440 you're someone like myself who frankly there's nowhere in the 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.960 world that I wouldn't like to go see, you end 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.040 up being able to see many more places because you're 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.640 only spending four hundred dollars on a flight to Europe 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.480 as opposed to eight or nine hundred bucks or even 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.480 a thousand or more. So this kind of leads me 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.040 into step two here which is to try to cross 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.280 the ocean as cheaply as possible. Let me give you 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.160 an example. Let's say you live in Atlanta and you 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.880 really want to go to the Greek Islands. You know, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.800 you've had your heart set on Santorini. So you go 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.760 to Google flights and you see what is there faur 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.200 cost to get from Atlanta to Santorini. I just looked. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:09:00.880 It's yikes, that is a lot of money. But that's 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.319 only if you're actually searching it in one single itinerary. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:04.880 You know, a couple of weeks ago, we found and 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.840 sent out a deal from Atlanta to Athens for five 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.040 hundred and forty three dollars round trip. And once you're 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.080 in Athens, you can get a flight or a cruise 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.920 a boat over to Santorini for like fifty bucks round trip. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.880 So by splitting it into two itineraries, it would only 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.959 cost like five hundred and ninety three dollars six hundred 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.040 bucks give your take, as opposed to the original hundred, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.360 so you'd save almost two thousand dollars. In this case, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.079 you can split it up both on the destination side, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.079 like they're you know, flying to Athens and then going 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.319 to Santorini, but you can also split it up on 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.040 the origin side. The best deal that I've ever personally 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.520 gotten in my life was NonStop from New York City 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.199 to Milan for a hundred and thirty dollars round trip. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.920 I could not believe when I saw that fair. My 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.720 heart still race is talking about it. But at the time, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.080 I didn't actually live in in New York. I was 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.840 living down in d C. And if I had tried 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.319 to get a flight from d SEE to Milan, it 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.200 would have been like eight hundred fifty dollars. But I knew, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.800 you know, look, I can take a bus up to 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.840 New York, hang out with some friends for a couple 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.600 of days, and then fly over to Milan. Pair the 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.079 twenty dollar bus fair with the hundred thirty dollar flight 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.720 hundred fifty dollars total versus eight hundred fifty. You know, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.080 it's a no brainer. So really, kind of being flexible 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.000 and trying to cross the ocean as cheaply as possible 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.120 and then getting onto your ultimate destination is a really 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.360 smart strategy for getting cheap flights. So we've got about 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.600 a minute left, let's lightening round a couple of these 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.680 cheapest times to fly. Cheapest days of the week gonna 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.800 be Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturday. Cheapest times of the year 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.600 going to generally be January through May and September through November. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.360 When should you book your flights? I recommend for domestic 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.560 flights booking at least a month ahead of time, and 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.160 for international flights at least two months ahead of time. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.080 If you're looking to travel kind of peak summer, Christmas, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.960 New Year's maybe trying to add a couple of months 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.920 to those recommendations. Do not wait for last minute flights. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.680 I cannot stress that enough. Thirty years ago, it was 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.240 the case that the airlines would cut the fair right 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.080 before they close the door for that flight because they 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.640 wanted to fill all the seats. Nowadays, they actually jack 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.679 up the price in the last week or two because 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.320 they know it's business travelers who will pay any price 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.679 in order to get that seat. It's business travelers who 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.320 are booking those last minute flights. Two other things. One, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.760 should you clear your cookies. Here's the truth, It doesn't matter. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.880 Do it if it will make you happy, but it 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.160 really doesn't make any difference. The best search engine, my 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.079 personal favorite is Google Flights But another kind of hidden 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.280 secret here is that it actually really doesn't matter. They 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.320 will basically all draw on the same distribution system, and 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.760 so you'll get basically the same results anywhere. One small exception, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.160 search Southwest dot com separately, Southwest Airlines does not show 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.760 up on any of the flight search engines. Thanks you all, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.880 dang man. Scott brought the knowledge, he brought the heat. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.880 That was some amazing stuff from our money pro uh 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.640 and he mentioned Southwest, which is one of our favor its. Yes, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.800 Southwest has no check bag fees and no ticket change fees. Man, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.199 that's a rarity. Now. So we're gonna go ahead and 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:07.800 take a quick break, but right after that we're gonna 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:18.679 unpack all that Scott, how to say? All right, Mac? 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.040 Quite a while back in episode number four, we talked 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.520 about traveling with purpose on the cheap, and one thing 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.200 that we did talk about was saving money off flights, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.600 and we mentioned Scott's website, Scott's Chief Flights, but we 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.000 didn't get a chance to delve into all the ways 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.080 that you can save money by booking a flight. And 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.680 the first thing that's got mentioned, which is by far 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.199 the most important thing you need to think about, when 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.040 you're looking to score a cheap flight is to flip 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.719 your search order and making price. As Scott said, the 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.120 first order of concern is the most important thing you 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.600 can do to save money. Most people do the exact opposite. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.600 They're like, I've got these dates and I want to 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.520 go to this destination, and can I find a good 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.440 fair Well no, no, usually you can't because you're doing 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.160 it in the wrong order. But if you are looking 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.320 to travel cheaply, you'll flip the script and you'll look 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.920 for a cheap destination and trying to find something that 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.240 fits those dates. And that's the main way that you're 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.840 gonna be able to save money when booking flights. That's Rachel. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.400 You know, you have to make money the priority. If 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.000 you're looking to save money, then make that sort of 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.720 like your very first filter when you are searching for flights. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.720 And honestly, this is just not a pitch for Scott's 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.200 Cheap Flights. We brought him on for a reason. Yeah, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.360 exactly what he does. We like what he's got to say. Yeah, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.560 like his emails are the perfect way to help you 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.040 to decide where to go, because you are only going 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.280 to be looking at the cheap fares, the cheap flights 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.160 that are out there, and so you want to book 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.839 based on finding a deal, not just with a sort 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.920 of preconceived idea of where you want to go. Yeah. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.880 So let's say, for instance, you're looking to book a honeymoon, right, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.080 you say I want to go to Hawaii. Well, you 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.920 know what, you might find a good deal to Hawaii. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.280 But if you're less specific on your destination and you 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.480 say I just want to find some sort of tropical destination, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.040 a great beach somewhere warm, right, yeah, to to go 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.240 on my honeymoon. Well, if you're looking at it through 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.000 that lens and you're les specific with your destination, there's 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.040 a good chance you're opening yourself up to a lot 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.600 more potential deals. You might find a great deal to Thailand, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.040 let's say, or Costa Rica, who knows. But being open 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.600 and making price the first order of concern as opposed 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.880 to the destination, that's what's going to save you big money. Yell, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.880 And honestly, this just gets me pumped to try to 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.760 do this more often, And honestly, it's a more adventurous 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.840 way to find the deal and then to figure out 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.120 what you want to do. There. That fits with my 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.440 sort of personal mission statement. We talked about this recently, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.560 like adventure, I kind of I'm trying to find ways 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.680 to incorporate that more into my life. I tend to 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.320 be a rigid type a. Everything has to be lined 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.160 up and perfect and organized. But man, what a way 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.960 to interject some adventure in some sort of unpredictability while 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:43.880 also saving a ton of money. Is that why you 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.600 join that fight club, Matt, just looking for a little adventure? 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.160 You're not talk about that? Oh, that's right, crap, broke 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.280 the first rule. Doing it this way, it kind of 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.360 expands your horizons about where you'd like to travel. It 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.360 kind of opens up the whole world to you, as 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.640 opposed to having this one pigeonhole destination that you really 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.320 want to go to the world is your oyster? Booking travel? 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.840 Where where prices? The first order concern, and my favorite 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.960 part about booking travel like this is that ultimately you're 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.760 gonna go see a whole lot more of the world 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.080 because if every trip that you book is less than 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.160 half the price of what it would have cost you 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.600 had you picked your destination first, that sounds like twice 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.640 as many flights. Joel twice as much travel, right, So 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.840 I love that. I think that's a great way to 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.120 not only see more of the world because you're paying less, 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.640 but also get you out there to go see more 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.160 places that you wouldn't have even considered. And I love it. Yeah, exactly, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.800 like you said, that's an adventurous way to travel. Yeah, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.280 and Juel, you know, at the end of the day, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.080 it's about seeing more places. Because if you love to 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.000 travel and you want to go more places, it probably 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.880 doesn't quite matter as much the order to which you 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.000 visit these cities like Paris, right, Like, that's the quintessential 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.600 sort of city that ever wants to you know, they 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.800 want to make it to Paris. Well, chances are there's romantic. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.720 It is romantic, but you know what, there's going to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.840 be a deal to Paris very soon, and just don't 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.000 feel like you have to go right this one time. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.520 If you're more flexible, you're gonna be able to travel 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.200 much more. Personal example of for Emily and I, so 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.040 we ended up going to Norway. So my families from Norway. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.120 My grandpa came over to the United States when he 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.240 was five from Norway, and so I've always wanted to 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.240 go but for the longest time, flying to Norway was 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.760 prohibitively expensive. It was usually around a thousand dollars eleven 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.600 hund bucks a ticket. I thought about at different times 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.640 just kind of forcing it and making it happen and 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.040 paying the bounty and just going to Norway when it 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.680 was really expensive. But I'm glad I held off because 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.280 eventually a couple of discount airlines lunch service from the 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.840 United States, and they were flying to Scandinavia as well 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.000 as other parts of Europe. But Scandinavian flights just went 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.640 on sale big time, and so Emily and I were 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.720 able to go to Norway. I want to say we 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.680 paid literally like five and five dollars a piece something 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.960 like that. Yeah, round trip to Oslo. And I'm just 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.880 so glad that we waited, because Norway is kind of 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.400 an expensive country already, food prices, lodging, all that kind 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.520 of stuff. Man, it all adds up, and so it 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.040 would have just been a prohibitively expensive trip if we 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.480 had paid full price for airfare. But following Scott's method, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.000 we were able to get really inexpensive tickets and just 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.399 really enjoy our trip and kind of spend a little 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.320 more on some of the travel throughout the country to 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.919 make our trip really special. And so yeah, it's not 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.080 like you're not going to get to go to that destination. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.520 A deal will pop up at some point, but just wait, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.920 just make sure you're pouncing when it's cheap. Be patient, Joel. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.560 I gotta learn that sometimes. And Scott's next key point 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.639 that he mentioned was to try and cross the ocean 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.479 as cheaply as possible. So we're talking life raft right, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.160 battle boat, and honestly that could and most likely will 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.600 mean flying into a different destination. Luckily, though, getting around 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.720 Europe is really cheap and pretty easy as well. You know, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.639 you can fly into Amsterdam if you're trying to get 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.240 to Paris or even vice versa. You just want to 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.560 make sure that you are considering those nearby destinations because 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.199 that will likely save you tons of money. Yeah, unlike 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.560 our country, which is enormous, right, so it's a little 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.840 bit harder to train travel. You know, maybe you can 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.000 in the Northeast particularly, but but really across most of 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.359 America can't really take a train. You gotta hop in 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.840 a car, right or an airplane. You can't take Martha 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.840 to and y see, I think most listeners do on 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.120 Marta is that's our local rapid transit, and I put 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.480 rapid rapid, it's somewhat rapid. Trains aren't necessarily the way 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.080 to go in the US. Yeah, not here. But in 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.640 Europe trains actually are efficient that they work really well, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.840 at least when the workers are on strike, which has 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.439 happened a few times while I've been in Europe. But 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.760 train travel is an easy and cheap way to get 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.199 from let's say Amsterdam to Feris Matt, like you mentioned, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.840 which means that if an airfare into Paris is a 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.960 thousand dollars and air fare into Amsterdam is well, guess 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.520 what flying Amsterdam, take the hour and a half train 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.080 ride to Paris for thirty bucks. Is it that long? 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.679 It's only hour and a half. Yeah, I think it's 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.360 about an hour and a half. Nice, you can see 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.639