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Speaker 2: Again. I don't want to turn this into Fred and

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Speaker 3: When I left, but I don't know, like, like the

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Speaker 3: gold medal game with France was pretty intense.

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Speaker 4: It was intense, so it wasn't I mean, he never

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Speaker 4: felt like the US was going to lose.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know the game was hanging in the balance.

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Speaker 3: That was a two point game.

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Speaker 4: But that was always going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I never read when I'm no longer working

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Speaker 3: here and I'm allowed to bet, but I'm going to

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Speaker 3: talk to Evan and ask him what's going to He's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He's jumping over cars.

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Speaker 3: But that was way better than but wait, Griffin's jumping over.

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Speaker 5: Cadillac was telling me about this guy's gonna be the MVP.

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Speaker 5: It's like BCR or something.

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Speaker 4: I think they're starting five would be better.

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Speaker 2: Free Hugger and Oregon Rights and one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: parts of Patriots Unfiltered is hearing Mike's many sonorous hms

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Speaker 6: Every playoff loss just was an absolute dagger in my heart.

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Speaker 6: And that's why fourteenth to me is always so fred

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. We got Alex Dus,

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Speaker 2: Paul Evan, myself in the booth, and it's kind of

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Speaker 2: it'll be all Combine all the time. But this week,

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Speaker 2: you know, news is kind of slow. There's nothing really new.

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Speaker 2: Couple signings Ben Brown and uh Jacob's trade Jacobs, you know,

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Speaker 3: Go, which is funny the timeliness of it. Someone asked

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, I said, what do you think the

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Speaker 6: timing is? When they starting to start like some roster

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Speaker 6: that's all you're getting on? Yeah, I just thought it

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Speaker 2: That the release of Taki Talkie is show that Rabel

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Speaker 2: now has complete control of this roster. And because Taki

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Speaker 2: Taki was an Elliott Wolf guy and he's gone now,

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Speaker 2: so that shows that Rabel's in charge.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I mean I think that's reading a lot into it.

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Speaker 3: So I was surprised to read it he had four starts, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a deuce on that. On the whole, reading

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Speaker 4: So I don't I don't think it's that deep. Taki Taki,

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Speaker 6: It's just not a great ending. And these were all

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Speaker 6: And now Taki Taki makes another one of those external

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Speaker 2: Which is I think he's that's just the first thing

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Speaker 6: So it's not a huge deal, but good depth to

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Speaker 2: live Catch twenty two. Yes, what day? Will that be?

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Speaker 2: Wednesday afternoon and Barth will be in attendance, So the

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two show. Now, will you be showing Bartha

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Speaker 5: He wasn't walking when I saw him.

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Speaker 5: You know, we do the interviews and.

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Speaker 6: nobody cares like I mean, yeah, there's stories there that

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Speaker 6: I think in a lot of these, you know, second tier,

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Speaker 4: But I would look out for Teses Johnson from Oregon.

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Speaker 2: And I couldn't agree disagree more. I just couldn't disagree.

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Speaker 2: that day. If you have the technology and it works,

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Speaker 2: different things. It's ridiculous. The only reason the umpire needs

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Speaker 3: Just replace the players too.

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Speaker 4: How does.

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Speaker 2: That's going to replace? You know, not having this guy

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Speaker 3: I'm just bust because you're passionate about it.

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Speaker 2: I know I've always been that way. It's like, I

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Speaker 2: This is at the beginning of the year. Everybody gets measured.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because like Jose Altuve and Aaron Judge are very different.

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Speaker 2: Strike gets up, you're punching his measurement and it automatically

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Speaker 6: I was really good at walking, I mean, but doesn't

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Speaker 4: I don't know about him, but I was very Eddie Goodell.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't hit, so I just would like, you know.

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Speaker 5: Please hit me, please hit me.

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Speaker 4: Just wear it.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Paul you're you're a Hall of

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big replay guy. You guys know that.

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Speaker 2: Saying no replay. There's no replay. It's just a striker

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Speaker 9: Like in tennis, it's on the broadcast anyway.

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Speaker 3: Tennis, yeah, I don't think that's.

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Speaker 2: Mostly in more and more tennis events, there are no

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Speaker 2: They're gone. The people are gone.

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Speaker 3: They have no problem with that. We want to do that.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any ideas?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know the umpire strike three, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just a noise. It's like beep

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Speaker 6: You know, It's the hardest sport to referee or umpire

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Speaker 5: So right, I hear it, I hear it.

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Speaker 6: I'm generally a refskuy. I like that element of you know,

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Speaker 4: I'd be all right with just anything to take the

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Speaker 4: of this in all sports. I think that all sports

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and at least that would be equitable. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 3: if it's the same for everybody, then there's there's no

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Speaker 5: It'd be interesting on the TV.

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Speaker 2: No, do you still need the empire for violations. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think it would be visually interesting though, for and

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Speaker 5: But if everyone was different and everything.

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Speaker 2: To you know, instead of.

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Speaker 6: Going from Aaron Judge where you can really see the

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's.

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Speaker 6: Visually interesting instead of just a stationary rectangle that's always

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's technology. There might be a day where it

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Speaker 2: It's not eliminating jobs. It's it's making the game that

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Speaker 3: Of that, Oh yeah, that's gonna say so as the manager.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, but we like that all right,

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Speaker 2: So that I just had to take that detour. And

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Speaker 4: I give a quick Baseball take sure, Baseball Take. So

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Speaker 4: the Red Sox have a very good new picture Garrett Crochet,

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Speaker 2: And this is what you can get it on your

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Speaker 4: This is consistently why Baseball stakes, because they just can't

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Speaker 4: It's just but it's baseball in general, like they're so

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Speaker 2: That's the red Sox fall.

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Speaker 9: They really did no marketing research to begin with, because

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Speaker 4: I just it's just crazy to me, like, just you know,

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Speaker 2: They're in trouble. They're they're scrambling.

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Speaker 3: you know and all that stuff, and that's that's that's

442
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Speaker 3: going to cost them in the long run. It's going

443
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Speaker 3: to cost them some people that weren't realizing that they

444
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Speaker 3: were playing paying extra forward in the first place, because

445
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Speaker 3: it just kind of comes like on your your basic tier,

446
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Speaker 3: but now it doesn't. Now you have to specifically request it,

447
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Speaker 3: like an OL cart kind.

448
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Speaker 2: Of Thingeah, speaking of money, there's a report out there

449
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,959
Speaker 2: that the forty nine ers are selling like twenty percent

450
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Speaker 2: of the team to or thinking of selling it to

451
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Speaker 2: an investment.

452
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Speaker 3: Private equity that one of those things.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, that's worrowing trend because a lot of

454
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 2: these owners are looking for that liquidity for whatever reason.

455
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 2: The valuations are high. So if you're both, if you

456
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Speaker 2: sell ten percent or twenty percent of your team, that's

457
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Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars cash that all

458
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you have access to. I get it,

459
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Speaker 2: But I do worry about this trend because these equity firms,

460
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Speaker 2: investment firms that are coming in, they're gonna looking for

461
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Speaker 2: a return on their money, and but they're coming in

462
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: at a very high value, you know, valuation of the teams.

463
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Speaker 2: And there's going to be a lot of pressure on

464
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Speaker 2: the league and these teams to increase the valuations of

465
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Speaker 2: the team, and that could cause bad decisions down the road,

466
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: that extra pressure to you know, return investment for these

467
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, Johnny cum latelies, you know Robert Kraft at

468
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: the time bought the Patriots for one hundred and seventy

469
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: some odd million dollars and now it's worth like seven billion.

470
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Speaker 2: You're never going to see that kind of return again.

471
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Speaker 9: And pro sports teams are like the one asset that

472
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 9: it's such a privileged club, right, Like you can buy

473
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Speaker 9: as many as much jewelry, as many houses as you want.

474
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Speaker 9: There's only so many pro sports teams to go around.

475
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Speaker 9: So when these valuations keep getting higher and higher and higher,

476
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Speaker 9: like eventually the cost of just buying into that is

477
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 9: going to be way more than the teams are producing

478
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Speaker 9: in revenue. And then you're answering the shareholders, right, It's

479
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Speaker 9: like right.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exact place that money. So I do worry about it,

481
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: and I get it. It's it's easy money for the owners.

482
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: You know, an owner like Spanos and you know with

483
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Speaker 2: the Chargers, he's not as liquid as you know, Harris,

484
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: you know Commanders or you know, Uh, So I worry

485
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Speaker 2: about what it could lead to.

486
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Speaker 6: Does that money get put back into football or is

487
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 6: that just money for like my operating I think they.

488
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Speaker 2: Can do whatever they want with it. I mean now

489
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Speaker 2: I think some owners wanted to use it for like

490
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: you know, cash over cap that type of stuff. Because

491
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: these more and more teams, it's I think you have

492
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 2: to spend over the cap now, you know, with that

493
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: cash and kick it down the road. That's gonna have

494
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: to be how you're going to compete. And not every

495
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: owner has that available money. You know, you think they do,

496
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: but they don't. You know, when when you know an

497
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: owner is said to be worth X billion of dollars,

498
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: it's because of the valuation of their team and whatever

499
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Speaker 2: businesses they have. That doesn't mean they can just take

500
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: it out in an ATM. You know, you have to

501
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: sell stuff to have that money. So it's and.

502
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Speaker 9: Then complicated the product to when like these football guys

503
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 9: like these like a Bill Belichick type, is he going

504
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 9: to make a decision because he's being pressured by some

505
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 9: dude in New York City in a high rise that

506
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Speaker 9: works for Goldman Sacks.

507
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: Like exactly because of optics? Yeah, yeah, so, I I mean,

508
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: this stuff won't come to fruition for like, you know,

509
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: another decade or so. But what the effects of this

510
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: stuff is, you know, we'll see. I think I'm a little.

511
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: Worried often ahead of the curve with these things.

512
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm worried about my sport. You know me too, Yeah,

513
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Speaker 2: I mean it's football first, but well, I.

514
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Speaker 6: Mean, are you you know, if the league were to

515
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Speaker 6: take a downturn and you know, not be the upward

516
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 6: trajectory that it's been for so long, does that then

517
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 6: start to rip some of these teams apart?

518
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Speaker 8: You know? Does that mean?

519
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Speaker 5: Is that kind of what you're getting at with.

520
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Speaker 2: That type of stuff? People? It's not getting or the

521
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: evaluation is not increasing fast enough. You know, it doesn't

522
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: even have to mean that they're falling apart. It's like,

523
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 2: but now I get it. They go in, there's a risk.

524
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's no guarantees, it's just like any other investment.

525
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: But still, you know.

526
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Speaker 6: At what points does the NFL hit that wall where

527
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 6: we're everywhere, We're playing games in Brazil and Germany and

528
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 6: you know they've cut up the whole globe basically, at

529
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Speaker 6: what point do you I mean, you can only add

530
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 6: so many teams, you can only add so many games,

531
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Speaker 6: right or do they just does that?

532
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Speaker 5: What has to keep increasing?

533
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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna eventually have to implement max contracts,

534
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: and I think that that's coming sooner rather than later,

535
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: especially at the quarterback position like they have in the NBA,

536
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 4: where you're making a percentage of the cap, you know,

537
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: based off of your you know, value in terms of

538
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: performance and longevity in the league and all that that.

539
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Speaker 2: It's a lot harder to do in the NFL with

540
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: the size of the rosters in the NBA when you

541
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Speaker 2: have twelve people.

542
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Speaker 4: Right, So I would think that almost like the franchise tag,

543
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 4: each position would have like a max contract to try

544
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Speaker 4: to curb the increase in the contract. Like, you know,

545
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 4: there's some crazy numbers being thrown out there right now.

546
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it's my position, you know.

547
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: Like Jamar Chase making forty million dollars a year and

548
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: his next deal, or you know, T Higgins making thirty

549
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: five plus or whatever. And I think eventually that they're

550
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 4: going to have to.

551
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: How granular do you get? Is an X is an

552
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: X A position versus Y receiver? You know, like how

553
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: how does that?

554
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Speaker 8: Usually?

555
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 4: Like in the NBA, it's about longevity and production? You know,

556
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: like how many all NBA teams have you made? How

557
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: you know? How you know? What are your stats? Like

558
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. So it's it's more it's more easy,

559
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 4: you know, cut and dry. Are you an All NBA

560
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Speaker 4: player or are you not?

561
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Speaker 2: Well? I know, to me, that's the craziest thing in

562
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Speaker 2: the NBA. I'd be I can become a max salary

563
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: player in the NBA by what the writers vote on. Yep,

564
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: that's crazy to me.

565
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Speaker 3: I agree with that.

566
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Speaker 4: It is crazy. It's it's how they do it. And

567
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: you know the other thing that they they do that's

568
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 4: important too, is is bird rights, where you know, if

569
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: you're a player that was drafted by the team, that

570
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: team and actually pay you more than the market can.

571
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Speaker 4: So you know, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are making

572
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Speaker 4: more from the Celtics than they could have made on

573
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Speaker 4: the open market because they want to increase like like

574
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 4: you know that is going to stay in Milwaukee for example. Whatever,

575
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: the spirit of that is good.

576
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, But I agree with you on

577
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: the other thing. It opens the door for a lot

578
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: of impropriety. Like what's to stop a player to go

579
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: to his media buddies and say, hey, you get me

580
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 3: on the first team all NBA, I'll make it worth

581
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: you a while.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, absolutely right, yep. So money, money, money, you know.

583
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: Like you said that, it's a lot easier in the

584
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Speaker 3: NBA because the rosters are smaller, but you know, the

585
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: numbers are higher though, Yeah, per person, like the Celtics

586
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: payrolls better, bigger than the Patriots.

587
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

588
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

589
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: Well yeah, a lot of that's because.

590
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: And there's more games. But still, you know, yeah, so

591
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: I worried me a little bit, and that kind of

592
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: dovetails into the announce meant that the salary cap is

593
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: going up across the board. Still they don't have a

594
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: final number, but it's you know, it's a significant Yeah,

595
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: it's a decent jump.

596
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: Which I guess I'm in the vast minority. I don't

597
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: think that's great news for us, for the Patriots. I

598
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: should say, Yeah, more teams, I get it into the

599
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: Athletic Jets writer us and we But the more teams

600
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: that have more money, that's more competition to sign players, right,

601
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: I mean the Patriots already had a tremendous amount of

602
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: cap space. How much more do you need?

603
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: Right?

604
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 8: You know?

605
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: Now, other teams that maybe had a modest amount of

606
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: cap space have a good amount.

607
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah they can. They can jump into the sweepstakes for

608
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: a certain player where before they may not have, you know.

609
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: But it's I mean, it's good news for the league

610
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: that the cap is rising. That much, And.

611
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: There was another While you're thinking of that, there's.

612
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: Another factor I wanted to throw out there, and.

613
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the international games, and you know where that

614
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: was it? Yeah, how do you add more players? To

615
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: add more games? How to add more teams? You've got

616
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: to have more players. You need more talent because I

617
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: don't think there's enough talent in the world around to

618
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: like start supporting more teams. I really don't. I mean,

619
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: you look at the back end of these teams talent

620
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: and it really drops off after a certain point. And

621
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Speaker 2: now you're going to add teams r I mean, you're

622
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: going to just thin out the talent pool even more.

623
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Speaker 11: So.

624
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Speaker 6: How does the NFL develop their players better? And what

625
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 6: impact is NIL having on this? Is this the right

626
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 6: thing that the league needs right now? Or is this

627
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 6: completely the wrong thing that the league needs right now?

628
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: With all these.

629
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Speaker 6: Players being able to jump multiple schools and you know,

630
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just wonder if the NFL is

631
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 6: going to continue to grow, they have to reinvest in

632
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: development of the players.

633
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that, you always have to do that,

634
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: but the talent pool itself just how many people are

635
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: good at playing football in the world, right now is

636
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: a set number. You need to increase that number. I mean,

637
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: and that's part of the international strategy is get more

638
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: people all over the world to be playing American football.

639
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: But that's going to take generations, right, I mean, seriously.

640
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: You're right, And the finite number that you talk about,

641
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: I have to think is is dwindling because of how

642
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: many fewer programs are there in high schools.

643
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: That's right.

644
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: You're losing football programs every year, and so that and

645
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: kids take our generations.

646
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Kids don't care and listen. I'm all for flat football.

647
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: I love it gets more people at least throwing a

648
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: catching a football. But it's not getting people ready to

649
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: play football. It's a different game. It's a different game.

650
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: It's not football.

651
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Speaker 6: I I mean, I talk a lot to you know,

652
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 6: my friend who's the trainer down with IMG Academy down there.

653
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 6: We're talking because Sharon is starting up a youth football

654
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: league and he said, I wouldn't have my kid league.

655
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 6: They're not ready yet. He said, I'd rather have them

656
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 6: play football, play flag football, learn how to run, learn

657
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 6: how to catch, you know, learn how to do those

658
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 6: things before you're ready for it. And I think some

659
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Speaker 6: kids already I think some kids you look at them,

660
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 6: they're at seventh grade and you're like, this kid's ready.

661
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 6: He looks like he's already six feet tall, two hundred

662
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: and fifty pounds.

663
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I mean, I think there is

664
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Speaker 5: some some different opinions on that.

665
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: But you know, look at a football team. What's the

666
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: percentage of players on a given football team who catch

667
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: and throw? No, I know it's that's a good point too,

668
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not like, I mean, I obviously been around

669
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: youth football my whole life because my parents were so

670
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: heavily involved in it.

671
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: You don't have to play youth football to play in

672
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: high school, but the problem is if you're not playing,

673
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: I think you're less likely to pick it up if

674
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: you haven't played. And yeah, you can play flag football

675
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: and you know and deem it safer and even though

676
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: there's millions of concussions in that too, But that's another

677
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: argument for a different day. Once you get to high school.

678
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: To Fred's point, that doesn't mean that you're ready to

679
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: play high school football, real football if you have If

680
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: you don't have the interest in playing, that's the concern

681
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: me and Alex, I don't know if you have the

682
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 3: numbers you said that how many high schools that we're losing.

683
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: There's a significant amount of programs every year.

684
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 9: That yeah, even back like when I worked at mass Live,

685
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 9: like got my start in high school sports, covering high

686
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 9: school football, and it felt like every year there were

687
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 9: teams consolidating or just losing programs, a.

688
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 8: Lot of it.

689
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: There's a lot of it, and some you know, some

690
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: teams even that have it, have such small rosters. You know,

691
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: there's twenty five guys in the roster.

692
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: You know.

693
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Back in the day, you know, even Fred like we're

694
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: not that old quote unquote, we had freshman teams, JV teams,

695
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: varsity teams. Yep, you know, full rosters and all of them.

696
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: You almost never see it now, you know. And I

697
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: just get finished. I'm done with high school football now.

698
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: With my kids. When my oldest started, they played a

699
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: full freshman schedule, full JV schedule, full of varsity schedule.

700
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: There's only two years difference between my two kids. When

701
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: he just finished, when TJ just finished, they didn't have

702
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: any any freshman games at all because there's just not

703
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: enough teams around. Like Saint John's PREPP will have a

704
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: freshman team yeah, because it's a huge high school, but

705
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: almost anybody else.

706
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it feels like the real stars. This is

707
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 9: probably more of a Northeast thing, but like the real

708
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 9: stars are going into your IMG academies, And like Christian

709
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 9: Wilkins comes to mind, like he wasn't playing high school football.

710
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 9: He was going to I think Suffield Academy. So it's

711
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 9: like and even that's a small level school. So it's

712
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 9: just interesting.

713
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: But if they're playing, I think they were losing players.

714
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: And I think at some point the NFL is going

715
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: to feel that because the pool, the talent pool to

716
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: draw from, is going to be dwindling.

717
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember him in lacrosse in California was a

718
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 6: big draw away. I just wonder around here, where are

719
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: the kids going? Are they going to other sports or

720
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 6: are they just not?

721
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Their parents are a bit scared senseless. So it's it's

722
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: it's do you ever get you ever get a side? Well,

723
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: well you don't your kids don't play football. You get

724
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: a sideways look from some parents you allow your kid

725
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: to play football, like it's you know, ten amounts of

726
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: child abuse.

727
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 9: The other end too, you probably have parents that are

728
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 9: so overbooking that their kids and everything they can do,

729
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 9: and then the kids are like, I'm exhausted, I don't

730
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 9: want to do it safe.

731
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and a lot of kids are.

732
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, they're focusing on one sport a lot earlier

733
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: than they used to. You know, back in our day,

734
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: you play, you had three season, you play three sports.

735
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: And now some kids are deciding at an earlier age,

736
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm just going to be a tennis player. I'm going

737
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: to just be a soccer player. I'm just gonna do hockey,

738
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: and and they and the sports allow for that because

739
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: they've got the clubs and you.

740
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: Can sport, you could play virtually sport.

741
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because I feel like all of the

742
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: really good players in the NFL, all of them are

743
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: multi sport athletes, a lot of them. And it's funny, like,

744
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, Drake may played basketball and could have probably

745
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: walked onto North Carolina's basketball team too if you wanted to.

746
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: And you know, I ended up just playing football there.

747
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: But like he's a very good basketball player too, and

748
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: his brother is an even better basketball player, and like

749
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: I'm sure he would tell you that a lot of

750
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: the basketball stuff translates to football.

751
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the coaches will tell you

752
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: encourage your kids to play as many sports as possible.

753
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: And my kids were lucky they all their coaches did that. Yeah,

754
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: but some of these high school coaches they want you

755
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: you know what's really there's two sports, sorry, dude, one

756
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: is one is soccer and one is hockey. They're very

757
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 3: territorial and they want you to play their sport twelve

758
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: months a year, and they discourage players from doing it.

759
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: My kids were lucky. They never had any coaches in

760
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: any sport that they played that didn't want them to

761
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: play other sports. But that's a problem. And you do Evans, right.

762
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: You hear them talk about how much playing different sports

763
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: help them develop in different ways, and I think that

764
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: that's going to diminish it also. I think that's a

765
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: huge issue.

766
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: So, you know, the NFL is king, but they have to,

767
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: you know, worry about remaining king. And there's a lot

768
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: lot of things down the road that they should be

769
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: really paying attention to. And one of them is this

770
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: influx of private money coming in to give these owners liquidity,

771
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: and but there's gonna be demands that come with that.

772
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: Nothing's free in this world.

773
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 6: I think a lot of their stresses on safety too,

774
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 6: and trumpeting reduction and concussions, those kind of things. Those

775
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 6: seem like what the NFL is thinking about when they're targeting,

776
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: you know, keeping fresh pool of players and young players excited,

777
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 6: you know about playing. But I see a lot of

778
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 6: youth hockey refereeing.

779
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 5: It's a machine. It's a money grab. There are so.

780
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 6: Many showcases oh yeah, where you're like, these kids ain't

781
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: going anywhere and they're you know, you'll be in a

782
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 6: random march and there'll be a team up from Florida

783
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 6: of twelve year old It's like, what are you guys

784
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: doing here? Like you can't find some games down there?

785
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 6: I mean, I get playing year round and I smell.

786
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: I know, right, they should not have the technology by

787
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 6: this point in Florida.

788
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: But it's just I feel bad.

789
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 6: For some of these families where I'm like, you're missing

790
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 6: school right now to like come play thousands of dollars.

791
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: That Oh my god, I do I do my fridays

792
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: with finance. You know, when we go up in the

793
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 3: Patriot Place every week, how astounded by how many youth

794
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: talkey teams are all every week and it's like it's

795
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: not a vacation week, the kids are out of school

796
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: all the time they're playing in tournament.

797
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 6: I mean, I say with the referees where they're looking

798
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 6: for refs on you know, random Fridays, Mondays, you know

799
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 6: during work day, like the kids are getting pulled out

800
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 6: of school to go play in a crappy show.

801
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: So how much if you were to do this like

802
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: full time, how much money could you may just being

803
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: a ref?

804
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 6: A youth ref Oh, I mean put it this way.

805
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 6: They just say average sixty bucks a game. If you

806
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 6: want to just ref youth hockey. I mean, if you're

807
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 6: talking college.

808
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: You know that's your couple hundred four or five hundred.

809
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: But if you just want to.

810
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 6: Be enough people like have a make a career, well,

811
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 6: I mean you know, I mean it's hard on your

812
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 6: it's hard.

813
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: Should start one of these for COCTA showcase programs and

814
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: get people paying thousands.

815
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: Of dollars club for every team.

816
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I just called your t You could take

817
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: that as the highest fore lovelman. You you start that,

818
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 3: I'll blog.

819
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: It will create this will create this multi tiered university.

820
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: We'll have the School of Cloud and Game.

821
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: Bring it.

822
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 9: But if you're saying not only is your kid gonna

823
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 9: learn the physical skills, he's gonna learn the mental skills too.

824
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 9: What who else can.

825
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: The parents go to that? And then we have anybody,

826
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: then we have we have, you know, a hockey school

827
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: for fairness and referee.

828
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 6: So, I mean, you guys are joking, but like that's

829
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 6: what's popping up now, Like Level academy over here when

830
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 6: my sister lives in Weymouth, it's a it's basically a

831
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 6: boarding school with hockey now there there, I would say

832
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 6: more like it's a hockey team where hey, let's just

833
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 6: create a school.

834
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: We got all these kids, Let's.

835
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: Not worry about, you know, having to put them on

836
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 6: con academy or some online thing. Let's have the ability

837
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 6: to just educate them right here. So those are popping up,

838
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 6: I mean mounting.

839
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 9: Schools pop up because popping over some dad wants to

840
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 9: start a school because he's pissed at some taking his

841
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 9: kid to start a whole school around them.

842
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 6: But I would say, Fred, to your point, there are

843
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 6: guys that like they'll do like ten twelve games a weekend.

844
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 6: I mean, and it's like, I mean, my body can't.

845
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: Hold up to that anymore.

846
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: But I tried fell last week I did.

847
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 8: I did no.

848
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: I thought my knee like girls were making I had

849
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: to get there, so, you know, I.

850
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: Had to like to play like suddenly reversed and it's

851
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 6: going this way, and it was kind of like a

852
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: you know, like kind of a fast break, and so

853
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 6: I had to kind of get on my horse a

854
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 6: little bit and I.

855
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: Just I kind of got a dead wheel and went down.

856
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 6: And then there's we're in overtime and there's a whole

857
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 6: like little girls team of twelve year olds all standing

858
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: on the board and they all started smiling and clapping

859
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 6: for me, and I like, I got you guys next,

860
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 6: I'm going to get you.

861
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Even the sometimes just don't let it get no.

862
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 6: Well, I myself because the coach, uh, you know, go

863
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 6: up talk to the coach before the game and uh

864
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 6: and she said.

865
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: Something about like, oh, if you fall, we'll pick you up.

866
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: And I'm like, if I fall, like I was all

867
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 6: cocky about like I'm just leaving, I don't fall, like

868
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 6: and I felt so, yeah, that was pretty sort of

869
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl too. Yeah, but there's money to

870
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 6: be made if you can just sit out there in

871
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 6: ref games and sit at the red line and just

872
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 6: kind of call stuff and mail it in. I mean,

873
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 6: there are guys that are you know, making four or

874
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 6: five hundred bucks in a weekend just reughing. I mean

875
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 6: I think I did five games once in a weekend, and.

876
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: It's it's a lot. It's a that's mentally a lot.

877
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 6: Just having to lock in and you know, follow a

878
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: youth game for yeah, fifty minutes and mentally exhausted.

879
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: And you get the parents yelling that's a trip right there.

880
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 6: Like I heard one of those last week when I

881
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: was reughing. I guess dad in the stands like.

882
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: Usually trip right there.

883
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, they kind of collide in the middle of it.

884
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 6: There was no change in possession, Like, guy, you're gonna

885
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 6: rep this game will be all day, Like you call

886
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 6: every single time somebody collides or has a.

887
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: Collision, get Brian Morey to be oh his officials. He'd

888
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 3: stop the game and have a conversation.

889
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: My god, he would, he would, he would, he would

890
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: shut everything down, and he'd be in the stands talking

891
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: to parents.

892
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 6: I've reveled with guys like that, you know, and usually

893
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 6: it's fun with with the parents that get out.

894
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 5: You know, rule out really unruly, unruly.

895
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: Thank you yes, unruly because you know, you.

896
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: Just point out him and leave, and if they don't leave,

897
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 6: you start running the clock and you just sit there

898
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 6: and shame him and stare at him. And so I mean,

899
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 6: I've only seen that happen a couple of times, but it's, uh,

900
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: it's pretty fun making them do the walk of shame

901
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 6: out of the kids freaking hockey game because they can't

902
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 6: just shut their mouth.

903
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: I'm worried about that. For me, I'm not gonna lie

904
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: no oh yeah, because like when we go to games,

905
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: like like Bruins games and stuff, I'm a chirper and

906
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, we're gonna have kids, and I'm gonna really like,

907
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have Yeah.

908
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: I first started, so it was.

909
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: So bad, was playing and that's so bad. This is

910
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: like one of those travel things that they had to

911
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: have the parents sign this thing that they were going

912
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: to adhere to. So there was a special game where

913
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: his grandparents came down from New Hampshire.

914
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 6: And his grandfather starts chirping and somebody I didn't sign.

915
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm the grandfather. I didn't sign anything.

916
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: Grandparents can in particular be tough at those games.

917
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: I didn't sign anything.

918
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 5: Got in a fight at one of my high school

919
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: all the time, Well there were I mean, I was

920
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: out of the game.

921
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 6: Well that's what it was. It was, I was out

922
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 6: of the game. I broke my wrists were watching the game.

923
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 6: There were a bunch of you know, Saturday, a bunch

924
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 6: of kids who probably.

925
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: Weren't even playing it.

926
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 6: I was a new plant where there was you didn't

927
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 6: break your wrist in that, No, no, no, I just

928
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: I was having to sit it out. And a period

929
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 6: ends and there are a bunch of kids, probably drinking,

930
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 6: you know, being loud. The ad had been telling them

931
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 6: to leave and talking to them, and you could tell

932
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 6: that there was some tension.

933
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: I'm staying on my dad. End of the period. My

934
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: Dad's like, I'm gonna go get a drinker, go tobut whatever.

935
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 5: He walks away, and I'm standing there waiting for the example,

936
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: and he go around around and all of a sudden

937
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 5: you just see like a tussle on the stands and

938
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: it's like one of them, you know, people falling and

939
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: like what's going on?

940
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 8: And then he's like, your dad just fought Andy Patterson.

941
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: Dude, Like what you know?

942
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 12: And so find out every time, Oh, my dad has

943
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 12: never even close, But then it was the you know,

944
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 12: the next day was fan fight Mars Hollist and victory.

945
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: In the Middlesex Daily News.

946
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 6: Poor Eddie du going up and you know, one of

947
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 6: these drunk kids.

948
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: Being like if you I'm not leaving, Bubba, my dad's

949
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: like you're leaving.

950
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: He marches out there and Eddie him, Eddie do.

951
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: So then't mess with him.

952
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: That's funny, good stuff.

953
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: One very minor piece of news that I guess. They

954
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: announced that the Chargers will be the host team for

955
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: that Brazil game. Right, got eliminade Patriots?

956
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 13: Right?

957
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: So the only openings now is Madrid or London or

958
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: London Madrid?

959
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: You're coming?

960
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

961
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: I was just going to begging, Yeah, would you be

962
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: in BRAZILO?

963
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: Wouldn't you be in Brazil?

964
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Well?

965
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 9: Can we even leave the hotel in Brazil? Like would

966
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 9: it be worth it? Unless we were the host team

967
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 9: and doing events and stuff?

968
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: I definitely have across from Madrid myself.

969
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: Well, no matter where we go, we would do some

970
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: type of fan event. So home, you know, whether we're

971
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: the home team or they are the one.

972
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: Like we had a lot of fun at that.

973
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: That was was Beatles. Yeah, that was epic. It's like

974
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: they sang a song for me. That's what they do. Driver,

975
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: turn the car around.

976
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 5: We're going back.

977
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: Literally literally they wanted to.

978
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: He called me and wanted to come back a third time.

979
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: They said, no, you don't need to. It's cleared out.

980
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 6: Crazy, it's and then are you going to do something

981
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 6: at the combine? Is that what the rumblings were, They're

982
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 6: gonna have a lazarre night.

983
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: Well, well, I was going to get to that email

984
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: at some point, you know. Sorry, so I'll get to

985
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that at some point, but I do want it. There's

986
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: a lot of emails coming in a lot of emails

987
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: podcasts at Patriots dot Com. This one comes from Peter

988
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: and Cambridge. He says, for Matt, first of all, just

989
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: listen to the Tuesday podcast. In the outro included a

990
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: Catch twenty two teaser, but it still says every Thursday,

991
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: need a new cutoff for uh cut off season ones.

992
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means for Evan. Relatedly, UH,

993
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: is there any chance Catch twenty two can be on

994
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: Tuesday or even Monday next season. I love your game takes,

995
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 2: but by Thursday it's a little late. At that point,

996
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm over and I really just want to look forward,

997
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: not back. Probably not right.

998
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 4: Probably is the right answer. Monday's no chance, but I

999
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 4: hear what people are saying. But you know, we like

1000
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: to talk about the previous game too, So it is

1001
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: what it is.

1002
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: And for Fred as an initialism, PU stinks it's true,

1003
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: admit it. In an early email after the name change,

1004
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: one person wrote in and called it PUP. You objected,

1005
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: but I assume they were saying Patriots Unfiltered Podcast. Pup

1006
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: is a much better initialism football related and now that

1007
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: Megan has gone applies to the hosts I e. Physically

1008
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: unable to play. Also, tell your IT department to redirect

1009
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: emails to podcasts at Patriots dot com to podcasts. It's

1010
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: easy to do, and you shouldn't be spending any time

1011
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: or energy making sure your listeners spell. That's a of

1012
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: all those things, that's the best idea that's going to

1013
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: just make sure that they're all routed to the same

1014
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: place with.

1015
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: All the podcast and make sure.

1016
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, well this makes sense because I feel like Fred

1017
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 9: was marketing it with the wrong email initially, so and

1018
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 9: that's why I.

1019
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: Did with PU. That's my handle on Instagram, PU Deuce

1020
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: I leaned into it.

1021
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 9: You give us so many puns to us?

1022
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it's fine. I think people have gotten

1023
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: used to it, right.

1024
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you that's kind of funny.

1025
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: Where did that come from?

1026
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 8: Though? PU?

1027
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 14: Like?

1028
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 6: I know I'm saying, but like the the U stink

1029
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 6: thing like PU you stink? Like, where did that come from?

1030
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh? What's the origins of the pu pu?

1031
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 5: What does that stand for?

1032
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

1033
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: There was a way you look it up? Somebody uh

1034
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Byron in Australia, speaking of international says he never misses

1035
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: a podcast. Thank you. I know Evant isn't keen and

1036
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: the rest of you bok and he spells bock b

1037
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: a u l k. That must be the Australian way

1038
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: of uh at the travel time. But it'd be incredible

1039
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: to have the legendary Patriots down under and we wouldn't

1040
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: disappoint a few extra shrimp on the barbie and some

1041
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: bud Lights, the official beer of the Mighty Patriots. Please

1042
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: let the dream come true. And finally, as they can

1043
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: almost feel Paul saying in his head, get to the question.

1044
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: No, I'm all for the Australia trip. I'm with this guy.

1045
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 9: Me and Paul are the only ones I.

1046
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: Think I'm gonna go. No, but I would like to

1047
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: go to Australia. Times.

1048
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: You got to make what's an Australia that we don't

1049
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: have here?

1050
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1051
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 9: For snakes, it's just the animal exotic animals like quala

1052
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 9: bears and stuff. Other than that, it's like California with

1053
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 9: probably not a stoid food.

1054
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: But Abdul Carter is my pick at four as I

1055
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: feel we are desperate for a past rush. It makes

1056
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: the most sense. With Garrett requesting a trade and the

1057
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: likelihood Joey Bosa is cut soon to save La Cap money.

1058
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Who should we target more Garrett? I know would cost

1059
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: the farm, But what's realistic for Bosa? And is he

1060
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: worth a shot? Yeah? That was reported today that they're

1061
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 2: gonna cut him.

1062
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's had injury injury issues issues with just in general.

1063
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: Like he's kind of one of those guys that's starting

1064
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: to sputter out a little bit here toward the end.

1065
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be overly interested in him. I think he's

1066
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 4: best suited for a contender that if he can stay healthy.

1067
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of that piece that that puts

1068
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: you over the top like the Patriots used to do.

1069
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: But I think he would be good.

1070
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: I don't think it makes sense for the Patriots.

1071
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like depending on the cost, but

1072
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that he wouldn't come at too high a

1073
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: price and you don't have to give up an asset

1074
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: to get him.

1075
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: Right, probably has a relationship with Rabel.

1076
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would. I would bring him in.

1077
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: I would bring him in.

1078
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: I would just rather go younger. Like, there's a lot

1079
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: of really good options and both the draft in free

1080
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: agency this year for guys that are in their prime.

1081
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: Do both.

1082
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know. I'm not like crazy about like.

1083
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't He's not the answer.

1084
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: I don't worry about those guys. Just don't move.

1085
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: But don't bring him in as the answer. Just bring

1086
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: him in as help.

1087
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 5: To me, it just goes.

1088
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 6: Back to where are we as a franchise and are

1089
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 6: we trying to Like I do think I do think

1090
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 6: we need some veteran leadership, tone setter type guys, and

1091
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 6: I do think that they need talent for sure, but

1092
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 6: you also want to balance it out with making wise

1093
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 6: investments on younger players. And that's why it's like having

1094
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 6: the most cap room and all that stuff that people

1095
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 6: want to trumpet. It doesn't get me that excited. Pick

1096
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 6: the right players. I don't care about having all the money,

1097
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 6: but you take the right You need the right chemistry.

1098
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: You know you need tone setters, and you know you

1099
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: need that too, you need the balance.

1100
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: But if you sign a guy like Joey Bosa and

1101
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: then you're gonna draft somebody if you better from this

1102
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 4: defensive line class, or you're dumb, so you better draft

1103
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: somebody from this defensive line class. So like, now, all

1104
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: of a sudden, Joey Bosa is blocking that guy's development

1105
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: and stuff.

1106
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: Like, I'd just figure it out.

1107
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: I would rather much rather play play the kids at

1108
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: that point.

1109
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: Especially so what.

1110
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: If you had just out of like this email, Like

1111
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: what if you drafted Abdul Cotter and signed Joey Bosa.

1112
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: Why is one of those guys blocking the other?

1113
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: It wouldn't necessarily block it. I just in that case,

1114
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: but abdul Carter is not happening.

1115
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: But no, Red picked whatever name you want for defensive end.

1116
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: I would rather guys that have stuff left in the tank,

1117
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: Like I just.

1118
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: I don't I don't like Joey Bosa that's different.

1119
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: I don't like any of that kind of player honestly.

1120
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 4: Like for them, I just h well, he's not a

1121
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 4: high motor guy.

1122
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't high motor. Yeah, Joey Bosa is kind of known

1123
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: as a guy who gets hurt a lot A lot

1124
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: of time.

1125
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: He gets hurt a lot, I know, but when he's

1126
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: in there, he's you know, I don't think he's a

1127
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: high motives to be relentless.

1128
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 5: Milescarre would be difference. He's a great player, sure, I

1129
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: like that.

1130
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 6: That's a player that I think he was great, special

1131
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 6: and yeah he's a little bit older, but it's different

1132
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 6: to me than Joey Bosa.

1133
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 4: I would just like to see they have the money

1134
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: in the resources to target people in their prime. So,

1135
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: like again, like I said, Joey Bosa is a great

1136
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: fit for a contender that is just looking for some

1137
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: finishing pieces, that's just looking for guys, veteran guys like

1138
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: the Patriots used to do all the time, you know,

1139
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 4: and try to find those types of players. I just

1140
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily also wouldn't really look at Joey Bosa

1141
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: as like a poster child of what I want my

1142
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: young defensive end. But It's like.

1143
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: I know that in hindsight, we know that the one

1144
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Patriots were closer to being good than we thought they

1145
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: were at the time, you know, the beginning of the season.

1146
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: But they brought in like guys like Brian Cox, you know,

1147
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: and these are veteran guys that were hungry, they wanted

1148
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: to win, and they said they set a tone. You

1149
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: need those guys. Now, it doesn't have to be Joey Bosa,

1150
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: but it can all be young guys. You need some

1151
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: people to set examples for the young guys.

1152
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just you know, I'd rather people in

1153
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: their twenties, Like, if you're gonna sign guys, like, let's

1154
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 4: sign somebody that's twenty eight instead of thirty. I mean,

1155
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: I don't know how I know in terms of.

1156
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 3: Like Bosa has been much more durable.

1157
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: Better, he's a better player.

1158
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: Let's see twenty nine this year. Roankey from Indie Ronky's

1159
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: from Indy, he said, a big fan of both PU

1160
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: and Catch twenty two. I live in Indianapolis and was

1161
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: curious if it would at be all possible to meet

1162
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Evan and Alex. As long as I've lived in India,

1163
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 2: I've never been to Saint Almo. I'd be it would

1164
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: be an item to scratch off my bucket list and

1165
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: be able to have my first visit to Saint Almo

1166
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: to include sitting down and getting to talk Patriots football

1167
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: with you guys. If so, when will you guys be

1168
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: here and what times? I understand you both will be

1169
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: here to work, so I wouldn't want to impede on

1170
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: that anyway. Love the show, keep up the work. So

1171
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here. I think we should

1172
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: have a meet and greet you and Alex. You can

1173
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: give away signed copies of your mon draft, your latest mantraft,

1174
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: and you can you can meet people.

1175
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, photos.

1176
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: It might be hard to do it at Saint Almo's

1177
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 6: in the prime of the combine.

1178
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 5: Yea to sit down conversation that might be.

1179
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 2: Now you just stand around the bar like you weren't

1180
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: invited in.

1181
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: I don't know why you're.

1182
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: Worried about here.

1183
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 5: I'll be in my room sleep.

1184
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a little bit bent out of shape.

1185
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: We get Mike out like a little bit. One night

1186
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 4: on Monday night, we get Mike out, and then the

1187
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: rest of the week, I'm like, you come in and.

1188
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 6: One of that basketball game for sure. I'll go to

1189
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 6: a Pacers game again.

1190
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 15: That was fun.

1191
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: I think they're playing Wednesday night, Monday and Wednesday night.

1192
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 5: Actually, but do that little little group outing twelve.

1193
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: I was trying to think the other day was did

1194
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: there used to be a place? So maybe there is

1195
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: still in Indiana. Maybe it's where University Indiana place called

1196
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: the Barn? Yeah, what is that?

1197
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 4: That's that's where the Pacers play. They call it the Barn.

1198
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 2: Oh, they do call it the Barn, I believe.

1199
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, Field still Canseco Fieldhouse.

1200
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't know it's still field House something field.

1201
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: I think it's a band.

1202
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what.

1203
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: It is, because I was like Indian, I know they

1204
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 2: called something in Indiana the Barn.

1205
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: It's a great basketball venue, it is. Yeah, it's one

1206
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: of them, you know, new issue and it's not that

1207
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: new anymore, but it was. It's a really good place.

1208
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: Steep though those bleachers.

1209
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: That's a good part with us right on top of it.

1210
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1211
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the old garden falcony.

1212
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh sure you can't do that no more.

1213
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 8: Sure.

1214
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: All right, my foods here, So we're gonna take a break.

1215
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: A lot of calls. A lot of emails coming in uh,

1216
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: and we'll get to them right after this.

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00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,840
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Speaker 18: It's another addition of pats from the past, and we're

1238
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 18: pleased to be joined by the best tight end in

1239
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 18: franchise history, Paul, is it the best tight end in

1240
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 18: NFL history.

1241
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: We're going to get to that later. I'm going to

1242
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: get that out of here.

1243
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 18: You're Paul Perlo here. He's number eighty seven on your scorecard,

1244
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 18: but number one in everybody's hearts.

1245
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 13: Rob Gronkowski, what an introduction, guys. I appreciate that, love

1246
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 13: h thank you.

1247
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 8: I played the number.

1248
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 13: One organization of all times as well, so it was

1249
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 13: a great matchup to have the number one tight end

1250
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 13: pointing for the number one organization.

1251
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 8: Baby, that's what's up.

1252
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: That fifteen AFC Championship game, to me, is one of

1253
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: the most ridiculous performances by you and Tom, you know,

1254
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: just because of how good that defense was, and especially

1255
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 3: that day. You know, von Miller was the best defensive

1256
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: player on the planet that day. He dominated up front.

1257
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: But you guys just keep hanging around and hanging around.

1258
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 3: It's fourth and ten, and you guys, you know connect.

1259
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: Tom just says, go down the scene and make a play.

1260
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: Do you remember this catch that I'm talking about? Because

1261
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: for me, I know you made some circus catches that

1262
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: were incredible, But to me, I think it was TJ.

1263
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 3: Ward hanging on you who you had a.

1264
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: Little history with as well.

1265
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 3: Just take me through that play. That catch was amazing.

1266
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 13: I remember, like Chris, that was awesome.

1267
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 8: It wasn't awesome, it was amazing. It was fourth and

1268
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 8: ten and our season was on the line after.

1269
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 13: Number that play to the exact t and from what

1270
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 13: I recall, actually.

1271
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 8: What was called in the huddle.

1272
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 13: Was a screen pass to the left, and Brady switched

1273
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 13: to play right away and he called all goes and

1274
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 13: I was like, yeah, that's right, all goes.

1275
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 8: I'm ready to go, baby, I'm on fire right now.

1276
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 8: I'm not ending the season like this.

1277
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 13: We're gonna get this first down and I'm just gonna

1278
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 13: take off.

1279
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 8: And when I'm taking off, Brady can read that.

1280
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 13: You know, this guy's got a mind of his own,

1281
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 13: Like he can tell if a player is rolling down

1282
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 13: the field or now he knows when the player is

1283
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 13: going full speed, and that's who he always goes to.

1284
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 13: Like he can read the decisiveness of a wide receiver

1285
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 13: or a tight end or a running back to the

1286
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 13: te and that's how he always knew what guy to

1287
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 13: go to. And he always knew who was on fire

1288
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 13: at the moment and who wasn't, and he could tell

1289
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 13: my eyes. Right when we broke that hud, I was like, oh,

1290
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 13: you better just toss his ball up. I was like,

1291
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 13: I don't care who's in front of me, and right

1292
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 13: when that thing was hike boom, I just took off

1293
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 13: and they had that safety he was all pro.

1294
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 8: Actually I was double coverage.

1295
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 13: I had a linebacker right to my actually safety to

1296
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 13: my left, and the other safety right to my right,

1297
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 13: and I just split him and went right through him,

1298
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 13: right down the middle, right up to see him, and

1299
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 13: Brady just launched that ball up.

1300
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, that's right.

1301
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 13: I'm gonna go grab this thing and we're going to

1302
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 13: continue this drive and our season is not ending right now.

1303
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 8: And I just went up there, put the ball right

1304
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 8: on the money.

1305
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 13: I just put my hands out, brought it in, got

1306
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 13: hit right both ways on my right, in my left

1307
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 13: right at the same time, and brought it in.

1308
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 8: Man. And let me tell you, I was out of breath.

1309
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 8: I was like, WHOA.

1310
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 13: I knew our season wasn't gonna end, but I was like, oh,

1311
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 13: help me up because I can't breathe right now. And

1312
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 13: then I kind of took off, like the next three

1313
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 13: plays like like I kind of just chipped the back

1314
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 13: the touchdown. Well, I was, I was in on the plays,

1315
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 13: but I kind of took off. I just kind of

1316
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 13: lasts of days ago through it, you know, just because

1317
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 13: I was so winded from that play and being up

1318
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 13: you know, at the mile high. And also I was

1319
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 13: sick for that game. I swear I had food poisoning, man,

1320
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 13: I was. I was basically throwing up on the sideline.

1321
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 13: It was brutal, but hey, I always come through in

1322
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 13: the clutch, and when the season's on the line, you

1323
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 13: always throw that ball up to Robbie g Baby. And

1324
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 13: then I had that two point conversion as well that

1325
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 13: I was double coverage, double covered on and I kind

1326
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 13: of jumped over the guys and you know, controlled my

1327
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 13: body to go and make the catch and Tom just

1328
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 13: threw it up there.

1329
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 8: Again.

1330
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 13: It was fourth and two, and actually no, it was

1331
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 13: a two point conversion.

1332
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 8: No, it was a touchdown.

1333
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: It was a touchdown.

1334
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 8: It was a touchdown. It was fourth down, it was

1335
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 8: fourth and goal.

1336
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't going to bring oversion because they didn't

1337
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: throw it.

1338
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 8: Now we're not talking about the version. I was open though.

1339
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 18: A couple other games, rob uh fourteen, the Jonas Gray game.

1340
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 18: Oh you, I mean you had an unbelievable touchdown where

1341
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 18: it seems like you literally ran through every member of

1342
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 18: the Colts. But we're talking about the play where you

1343
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 18: threw Sergio. You you threw Sergio out of the club.

1344
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 18: That's what everybody remembers about.

1345
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 8: That game, Yes they do.

1346
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean that's a real tight end.

1347
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, that's a real time disrespect to.

1348
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 18: Some of these other guys with pass catchers. But you're

1349
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 18: a blocking guy too. I am the dark and you're

1350
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 18: going to block your ass off, yes, and you blocked

1351
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 18: your ass off on that play, that's for sure.

1352
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 8: I had a lot of pride in my blocking.

1353
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 9: Man.

1354
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 8: I love blocking. I truly believe that, you know.

1355
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 13: It helped me, you know, in the passing game as well,

1356
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 13: helped me get open in the play action, and it

1357
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 13: just you know, I truly I just always felt and

1358
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 13: believed in as a tie just when I when I

1359
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 13: started playing the position that you had to do both, man,

1360
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 13: that's what it's all about, you know, doing the dirty

1361
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 13: work and then also going out there and making plays

1362
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 13: as well in the passing game. But on that play,

1363
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 13: I mean, sur Jioe Brown came in with me here

1364
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 13: with the New England Pages. He was a free agent

1365
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 13: that year out of Notre Dame. And he was a

1366
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 13: great player. He was a safety here, Uh he was.

1367
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 13: He was a great special teamer. And then he went

1368
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 13: over to the Colts and uh, you know, he did

1369
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 13: great things for us while he was here with the Pages.

1370
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 13: But that game, man, he just went and stopped talking. Man,

1371
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 13: he just went stop, you know, you know, trying to

1372
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 13: get under my skin. And let me tell you, he

1373
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 13: eventually got under my skin. And when you get under

1374
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 13: my skin talking garbage, you know, it's not gonna be

1375
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 13: good for you on that defensive side of the ball.

1376
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 13: And that's what happened. And finally I just ticked it.

1377
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 13: I was like a ticking time bomb the whole game.

1378
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 13: He just kept going off and off, talking garbage. And

1379
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 13: then finally he just he hit it. He hit that switch.

1380
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 13: And then I saw I noticed that play like, all right,

1381
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 13: one on one right here, I'm just gonna drive. I'm

1382
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 13: gonna drive your butt all the way until I I

1383
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 13: can't drive you anymore, until you get planted, you know,

1384
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 13: into the ground. And that's basically what happened, man, That's

1385
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 13: why after the game, I was sitting there with Chris Collinsworth.

1386
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 8: I was like, hey, Chris conwer, he was just yapping

1387
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 8: too much. I had to throw him out of the club.

1388
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: So a lot of great catches. You know, there was

1389
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: another one in a Denver game at home. Is there

1390
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: a catch, one particular catch that stands out among the

1391
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 3: rest of them?

1392
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 18: Four It was in fourteen as well, here against Denver.

1393
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 18: Tom throws that up and he goes, how did you

1394
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 18: catch that ball?

1395
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 8: You know, I kind of made Tom's career if you

1396
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 8: really think about it. Same with Julian, same with Moss.

1397
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 13: I mean Tom should be, you know, thanking us by

1398
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 13: selling us a gift every every single year, like a

1399
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 13: four wheeler for Christmas, would be much appreciated for all all.

1400
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: Those you know you're going to get things.

1401
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 13: I know I'm just messing around, but uh, you know

1402
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 13: I want to be here without Tom and uh but yeah,

1403
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 13: I would say one of my favorite catches was versus

1404
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 13: the Buffalo Bills, and and the your truth to catch

1405
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 13: happened because Tom put the ball. He placed the ball

1406
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 13: where only I could go and make the play because

1407
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 13: I was kind of covered. I was I was going

1408
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 13: versus the All Pro safety man names. Man, we're out

1409
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 13: of the league for a little bit. You gotta look

1410
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 13: back and you can't get the names right in the spy.

1411
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 13: I mean, that's not good. But there's so many memories

1412
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 13: and so many players that's hard. But I was going

1413
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 13: All Pro safety. I was spread out wide one on one.

1414
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 13: It was right here in Jillette Stadium, this corner right there,

1415
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 13: the opposite corner, left side of the lighthouse, yep. And

1416
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 13: he threw it up there and I was on the

1417
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 13: two yard line.

1418
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 8: I just reached back like that.

1419
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 13: It was a one hander versus my hometown Buffalo Bills,

1420
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 13: and vaguely just brought it in, didn't even use my

1421
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 13: second hand, brought it in, toe tapped into the end

1422
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 13: zone and then fell.

1423
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 8: So it was a one handed grab. Baby. It was

1424
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 8: a beauty. It was one of my favorite catches.

1425
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 18: We're gonna wrap this up here in a second, but

1426
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 18: I gotta ask you this one. You talked about Super

1427
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 18: Bowl fourteen. How much it mentioned everything like that? The

1428
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 18: Kansas City game. It wasn't a super Bowl. It got

1429
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 18: you to the super Bowl. That was your last year.

1430
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 5: How great was that?

1431
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 18: Kind of like the last call? But for Rob Gronkowski's part.

1432
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 18: You know in that Kansas City game in the cold,

1433
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 18: you know that that team's on the come, here they come,

1434
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 18: and everything like that.

1435
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: That was a game.

1436
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 8: I don't want to put words in your mouth.

1437
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 5: How great was that game?

1438
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 13: That was one of the greatest AC Championship games you

1439
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 13: could ever imagine or ever be out. It was probably

1440
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 13: the greatest AFC Championship game, which was wild. I was

1441
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 13: actually hanging over with I was hanging out with my

1442
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 13: nephews about four weeks ago, and they're starting to get

1443
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 13: to the age where they understand things now. They understand,

1444
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 13: you know that I played in the NFL, that I'm.

1445
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 8: On YouTube and everything.

1446
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 13: And I was just sitting there and my little nephew

1447
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 13: he goes and puts YouTube on me, and he types

1448
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 13: in my name and he puts the last five minutes

1449
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 13: on of the AFC Championship game in twenty eighteen. It

1450
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 13: was correct yep verse the Kansas City Chiefs, and we

1451
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 13: watched the last four minutes of the game, and that

1452
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 13: was the first time I've actually seen the game.

1453
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,479
Speaker 8: And let me tell you, I.

1454
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 13: Was getting goosebumps again. Man, I was getting excited. I

1455
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 13: couldn't believe what was going on in that game. How

1456
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 13: many touchdowns were scored in the final four minutes. We

1457
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 13: went down, we went down, we scored, They came back,

1458
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 13: they scored. We went back down and scored a touchdown

1459
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 13: to take the lead. And then with thirty seconds left,

1460
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 13: Patrick Mahomes did Patrick Mahomes saying he threw a big

1461
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 13: deep pass got him in field goal position and they

1462
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 13: kicked the field goal with the final seconds left and

1463
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 13: regulation to put us into overtime. It was one of

1464
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 13: the most exciting four minutes I've ever watched. And I

1465
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 13: played in the game, and I knew what was gonna happen,

1466
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 13: and it was still that exciting. And what made it

1467
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 13: so great was that we had so many third and

1468
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 13: tens and fourth and tents.

1469
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 8: We weren't moving the ball on.

1470
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 13: Those final drives on the first down or second down,

1471
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 13: but we completed the third down every single time.

1472
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 8: And Julian Edelman balled out.

1473
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 13: It was Julian Edelman over the middle third and ten,

1474
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 13: Julianado over the middle third and ten that I'm spreading

1475
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 13: out watch fourth and tent slant for a first down

1476
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 13: and then the fade for a first down. And Rex

1477
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 13: Burg had runs in for the for the overtime touchdown

1478
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 13: as well, So it was just one of the best

1479
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 13: four minutes of football.

1480
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 8: That you could ever watch. Was that asc championship game? Man?

1481
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: What what?

1482
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 8: What an incredible you know moment And to win on the.

1483
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 13: Road for the first time to get to the Super

1484
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 13: Bowl just made the Patriots dynasty that much greater.

1485
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 18: Man, appreciate you coming in. Thank you so much. Happy

1486
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 18: Thanksgiving to you and your family. You'll be here at

1487
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 18: some point time, sooner rather than later to get a

1488
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 18: red jacket. You're gonna get a gold jacket and Canton

1489
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 18: whenever your time comes.

1490
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 8: From there.

1491
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 18: It was a pleasure to watch your career and see

1492
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 18: how great you were and how you made this team great.

1493
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1494
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: Tremendous, Yes, I appreciate that, guys.

1495
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 13: Thank you guys for having me. This is this is

1496
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 13: really cool man, to be here and just to be

1497
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 13: back in the building and see some of the guys. Man,

1498
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 13: it's bringing back so many great memories. Man, and it's

1499
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 13: just me back up and I like it. Man, this

1500
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 13: is really cool. So thank you guys for inviting me

1501
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 13: in and go check out the at the Patriots Hall

1502
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 13: of fame if you can Grink spike harder than Gronk

1503
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 13: can spike, because the velocity was tested, and there's a

1504
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 13: machine that gives you the you know, the the wavelengths

1505
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 13: of how hard you can spike, and if you can

1506
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 13: compare it, you know, you can compare it to my

1507
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 13: velocity and how hard I can spike. So go check

1508
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 13: it out and just great to be back, man, This

1509
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 13: is a pleasure. So you guys are the best.

1510
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: Good clubs.

1511
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 8: Thanks Rob, no problem.

1512
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: And now great moments in.

1513
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: History. So that's Sunday that we were playing the Jets

1514
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: and their pr guy comes up to me while I'm

1515
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: sitting there and he's like, you know what you wrote

1516
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: isn't true. We're not censoring the clips. I'm like, well,

1517
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: you're not giving to them, right. He's like, yeah, but

1518
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: that's not censoring. And the guy sitting next to me

1519
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: goes sounds like censorship to me, and he just walked away.

1520
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 2: Never one for fred of people's skin. They hated me.

1521
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So the other thing I wrote in the

1522
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: paper we were talking, I was talking about the draft,

1523
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: how it's unfair that every at that time, every year,

1524
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: the draft was in New York. I said that wasn't

1525
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: fair because people in the crowd, it's all New York

1526
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: fans and you know, so I said, they should come

1527
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Speaker 2: up with a new thing that the team that has

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01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: the first pick, that's where the that's the city where

1529
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 2: the draft should be. I said. But on second thought,

1530
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: that'd be the Jets every year anyway. So again, like Gold,

1531
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: we get.

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Speaker 11: A letter, you know, comic styling. You're a member of

1533
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 11: another team. You shouldn't be saying this about another team.

1534
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 11: And like, you know, for a while, like I was

1535
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 11: like enemy number one. You know, that's a metalware.

1536
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Speaker 3: Do not let this man.

1537
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: So the vice president of pr for the lead sent

1538
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: the Crafts a letter about me, saying that I'm a

1539
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: pain in the ass. And Jonathan showed me the letter.

1540
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: He's like, I just got this from uh, what's it

1541
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: Dan Brown? Joe Brown? I just got this from Joe Brown.

1542
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: He goes, good job.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five five

1545
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: past five hundred is the TPX hotline podcast at Patriots

1546
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: dot com. Is the email address. Let's get to the phones.

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01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: Alex is in Austin. What's up, Alex? Alex was in Austin. Yes, hey,

1548
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: I good boy, have you heard something.

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01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 14: Well, MB's on for the season. It's rocking the news

1550
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 14: down here. But what did you give a shout out to? Alex?

1551
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 14: The newsletter is the only email that finds me well

1552
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 14: all week.

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01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 9: That's good.

1554
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 14: Really appreciate it. I had a question about the offensive

1555
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 14: line possibly coming in. I felt like the zeitgeist was

1556
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 14: leaning towards Banks for like a month there, and now

1557
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 14: it's back to Will Campbell. I just want to know

1558
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 14: if I missed something, why why this kind of shifts

1559
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 14: back to Will Campbell instead of Banks? And I'll take

1560
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 14: it off the air.

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Alex. I don't remember it ever being Banks

1562
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: over Campbell.

1563
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say so. I think a lot of

1564
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 4: people might have gravitated more towards Banks because he's gonna

1565
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 4: have the prototypical size of a left tackle, and if

1566
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 4: Campbell's arms come in under threshold, then then maybe you

1567
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 4: know that cancels Banks out or excuse me, Campbell out

1568
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 4: as a tackle option. So if you want you know

1569
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 4: a guy that's probably gonna check the boxes a little

1570
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 4: bit more in terms of the measurables, then Calvin Banks

1571
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 4: is more of that, but it also isn't particularly long,

1572
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 4: so he's gonna probably come in right above threshold as

1573
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: well for arm length. Not he's not gonna have thirty

1574
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 4: five thirty six in charms. It's gonna be tough.

1575
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 2: We need one of those guys like the Eagles found

1576
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: from like Rugby eight, just a monster.

1577
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 6: Was he there when we were there, Paul one of

1578
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 6: their other monstrous He must not have practiced because you

1579
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 6: would have definitely take I think he was there.

1580
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 4: He's been on for a while. Yeah, I remember just

1582
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 4: seeing him like this.

1583
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 6: It's gotta be him, like one huge offensive line, being like,

1584
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 6: who is this guy? And I think at the time

1585
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 6: he was still kind of raw. They didn't really know

1586
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 6: he hadn't broken out yet.

1587
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, uh. Todd of New Hampshire rights in

1588
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: I catched twenty two yesterday, Evan and Alex were talking

1589
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 2: about the lack of quality quarterback options in the draft.

1590
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: Alex said he felt one or more teams were certain

1591
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: to overdraft a quarterback because they always do. I know

1592
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: you guys are lukewarm on the trade of Joe Milton,

1593
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: but if he were in this year's draft with the

1594
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: progress that he's made since joining the Patriots. I see

1595
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: him as the third or fourth best quarterback, which puts

1596
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 2: him in the conversation as a late first or early

1597
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: second round pick. With that in mind and my propensity

1598
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: to swing for the fences, I'm calling Pittsburgh and offering

1599
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 2: Milton and Duggar for a pick twenty one. The Steelers

1600
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: aren't going to be bad enough anytime soon to pick

1601
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: in the top five or ten, and guys like Wilson

1602
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: or Field's aren't getting them to the Promised Land, so

1603
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: they need to be creative. They already have. They didn't

1604
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: they call Jacksonville about Trevor Lawrence. I would then do

1605
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 2: my best to sign Holland in free agency from Miami.

1606
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: What's that I didn't see that they would. Yeah.

1607
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if if the report was accurate, but

1608
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: there was a report that the Steelers sent out feelers

1609
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: to the Jaguars about Trevor Lawrence.

1610
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not saying Joe Millen has zero trade value

1611
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 4: because I don't think that's the case. But it's not.

1612
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 4: And I know that Emailer probably realizes this, but that's

1613
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: not really an apples to apples comparison because you're comparing

1614
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 4: the guy that's had a year of development in the

1615
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 4: NFL and is already an older prospect to begin with,

1616
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 4: to guys that are twenty two, twenty one years old

1617
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 4: in the college game. It's like, not really the same

1618
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 4: sort of thing. So I hear what he's saying. But

1619
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 4: if I had to guess, you know, Joe Millen was

1620
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 4: a sixth round pick last year, Like, could you maybe

1621
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 4: get an earlier Day three pick for him this year

1622
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 4: if he was available in a trade, I would. I

1623
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 4: would probably say that's what the best year gonna not

1624
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 4: a first rounder?

1625
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was Dougler too. The guys just don't

1626
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 3: be no.

1627
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 6: I yeah, I'm just teaching people who are like he said,

1628
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 6: Joe Millen for a first round pick and prosper Like,

1629
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 6: where would he be.

1630
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: In this year's draft now with a year's experience in

1631
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: the NFL, not where he was then, but now knowing

1632
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: what we know where in what the NFL knows limited

1633
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 2: about him, where would he risen in this year's draft.

1634
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 4: It's definitely possible, just because of the traits that if

1635
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 4: you're in a draft a down quarterback year, you might

1636
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 4: risk it for the biscuit on the quarter, on the

1637
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 4: arm strength and the size and the mobility. But I'm

1638
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 4: still I would think he's outside the top fifty. Like,

1639
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 4: I think he's probably a bit.

1640
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean, compare him to Anthony Richardson.

1641
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 4: Not close, No, no, like it. Just I would say

1642
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 4: he's probably Like I said, like, you know, his value

1643
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 4: now might be a fourth round pick in a year

1644
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 4: like this. You know, I think somewhere around there. So

1645
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 4: higher than what he was last year, certainly, but I

1646
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 4: don't think you get anything crazy for him.

1647
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 6: But you're kind of stacking in the area that the

1648
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 6: two kids in the National Championship game, right, Ryle Leonard,

1649
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 6: like those like that kind of area of like the

1650
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 6: middle of this draft, like you know, some guys with

1651
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 6: some issues but some talent too.

1652
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: I just occurred to me, I wasn't here last week.

1653
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: Did I win the playoff picks contest? No? Okay, who won?

1654
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: Mike?

1655
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: Mike won?

1656
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 8: Bare.

1657
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 5: I had a really bad Super Bowl. Yeah, my picks

1658
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 5: were terrible.

1659
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 4: And so did the Chiefs.

1660
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why.

1661
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 3: I have to go back and look because now I'm

1662
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: confused on the overall and the spread. But I think

1663
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 3: Mike won.

1664
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really bad.

1665
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: With it, and then I added in Alex's picks that

1666
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 3: she actually did send me.

1667
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 2: Well, how do we do scops?

1668
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 3: Mediocre?

1669
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did that.

1670
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, Mike, you had a tough because I told you

1671
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 6: I was powd stand being like, that's it.

1672
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 9: Kansas City is just gonna win results in the newsletter?

1673
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 3: Did you do it? Did you put them in?

1674
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 4: Well? Because I wasn't until tomorrow.

1675
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: Oh Okayah, I wasn't here to send them. Yeah, I

1676
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 3: can do.

1677
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: That, okay. Gerald and Grimsby watching on YouTube today and

1678
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: the way Paul is dressed, I'm wondering if he's looking

1679
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: to join Build down South and start a new podcast

1680
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: tar Heels today. Actually it's a citadel. It's the same colors,

1681
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: but it's the Citadel because they copy.

1682
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 9: Calls like fourth baby Blues above.

1683
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 4: Baby blue, Carolina Blue.

1684
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: This is like my only Carolina blue citadel. But it's

1685
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 3: it's the Citadel, not those.

1686
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 5: Are their colors too.

1687
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: They just copy it North.

1688
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Citadel just copyed.

1689
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 6: I think the Citadel has been along round longer than

1690
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 6: the University of Carolina, doesn't.

1691
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: Matter, maybe not as long his bill though, he's been

1692
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: around a long time.

1693
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 4: When you see that color. You're Michael Jordan, that is unfortunate.

1694
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. When I was in the bookstore,

1695
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm a quarter zip guy,

1696
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: and you know, I got to get one. And I'm

1697
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: looking and I'm like, they had a white one is

1698
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 3: the other had the logo one that I really liked.

1699
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 3: But that was like two hundred bucks, And I was like.

1700
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't like it that or was it made out

1701
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: of like cashmere?

1702
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: It was obviously made out of a much better material

1703
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: than this one is. But I looked and I was like, Okay,

1704
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 3: is that forty bucks? It's kind of the next BAC. Yeah,

1705
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 3: but it was kind of the next best one. And

1706
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 3: I was like, that's really unfortunate that it's Carolina blue.

1707
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do? Yeah, is what it is.

1708
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: I would think with Marines it would be a darker blue,

1709
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 2: you know.

1710
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the whole color scheme?

1711
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, is the same thing, marine, Matt, What do you

1712
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: think about that baby blue for Marines?

1713
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 8: That's not the Marine Corps color? No?

1714
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 3: Sure is it? Well, it's not just Marines, Oh the Citadel.

1715
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: I thought it was Marines.

1716
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: It's everybody it is.

1717
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that you learned something new every day.

1718
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we TJ more than likely is going

1719
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 3: to go to yeah, into the army.

1720
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: To the army. Okay, all right, go Army, Go Army.

1721
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 3: That's because that's because Matt talked him out of it.

1722
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 4: I didn't talk him into the army. To the air Force.

1723
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: Uh, there's absolutely no chance of that.

1724
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 4: I can't swim. I don't know.

1725
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 3: No, he Yeah, he didn't have any interest in the

1726
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: Air Force. I don't know why.

1727
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: It must not like money. Oh okay, let's see who

1728
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: is this? This is Stephen and Iron. A great show

1729
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: was always from Mike. I thought he did a brilliant

1730
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: job last week. Could ever get to my email? But

1731
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it as it was originally for Evan

1732
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 2: and Alex on Cash twenty two. Anyway, question for this

1733
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: week for Evan mainly, but open to all. If the paide,

1734
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 2: if you just get one of the top left tackle

1735
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 2: free agents and Will Campbell measures under thirty three inches

1736
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: arm length, would taking him at four to play left

1737
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: guard be seen as a bad pick.

1738
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I would not take him to play guard at

1739
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 4: that point.

1740
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: I personally would love it, as you then have four

1741
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: to five O line positions pretty locked in, and I

1742
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: think if the team tried to trade down to get

1743
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 2: him a bit lower to play left guard, it could

1744
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: be risky in case he's taken by the time we're

1745
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: back on the clock. Normally i'd say that the chance,

1746
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: I'd say take that chance. But with the draft not

1747
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: being as big a blue chip market this year, are

1748
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 2: we best to take the player we want when we can,

1749
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to when we would like to do to

1750
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: the position.

1751
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 6: That's a good question. I mean, I think that's a

1752
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 6: hard spot to be in. If they sign let's just say,

1753
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 6: Ronnie Stanley, not a permanent solution, but hopefully a solution

1754
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 6: for at least a year or two. You still have

1755
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 6: a long term need at the spot. It's very important

1756
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 6: you have a chance to draft that kid. But I

1757
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 6: still feel like I would tack defense.

1758
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 5: I would try to. I would try to tack to

1759
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 5: maybe one of the Georgia kids, or you know.

1760
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 6: I think a trade down it then becomes even more

1761
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 6: And if Campbell was a guard, yeah, yeah.

1762
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not. Campbell's off my board. If he's a guard,

1763
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 4: I'm with you guys, but I I'm with Mike though

1764
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 4: I if you are signing a Ronnie Stanley, even an

1765
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 4: Alric Jackson Cam Robinson in free agency and saying we

1766
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 4: have a left tackle now, then you're going defense. You're

1767
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 4: going Tedoro McMillan, You're you're doing it.

1768
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 3: Even if Campbell is a legit tackle prospect, I.

1769
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 4: Would think about it more if it was a legit

1770
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 4: tackle prospect, because now you have the Joe alt Roshan

1771
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 4: Slater thing where you could play one on the right

1772
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 4: side and one on the left side, and I don't

1773
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't hate that idea. I would probably flip the veteran,

1774
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 4: but I still don't hate that idea of doing that

1775
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 4: sort of thing. So I would be and if that

1776
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 4: was the case, but.

1777
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 6: A lot to think about, Like I love what you

1778
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 6: brought up all like that to me is like where

1779
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 6: I start getting like what do you do?

1780
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 3: You know?

1781
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 6: Like it's important, and like I think there's even an

1782
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 6: argument to be saying, like if you have a ten

1783
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 6: year all pro left guard sitting there, Like I mean,

1784
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 6: I think there's a little argument.

1785
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think i'd make it, but.

1786
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't think that I can understand it, And to me,

1787
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: it would just come down to the same stuff that

1788
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 3: we talk about all the time. Whatever the guy is

1789
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 3: that they think is better, if that's one of the

1790
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 3: defensive players, by all means, take the defensive guy, don't

1791
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 3: reach because any of the spots that you take realistically

1792
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 3: are going to fill a need. And I am not,

1793
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 3: As we said on Tuesday, I'm not hell bent. It

1794
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 3: has to be the fastest way to rebuilding is fix

1795
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 3: the trenches. Now. The fastest way to rebuilding is getting

1796
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 3: as many talented players as you can. That's the fastest

1797
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: way to rebuild. I don't care where they play. You

1798
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 3: need good players. You need good players.

1799
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: Kieran from Aberdeen Share. How about Joe Milton for Deshaun

1800
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: Watson and Miles Garrett. I think he's being funny there.

1801
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for the great content, love the newsletter, but I

1802
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: do a lot of machine work and would prefer to

1803
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: listen to things. Any chance you could do an audio version.

1804
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: That's the show. That's the audio version of the Around

1805
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: and Around we Go.

1806
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 3: So I don't think he's kidding about the the Deshaun

1807
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 3: Watson Miles Garrett thing. I think a lot of people

1808
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: are trying to come up with the brock oswhile with

1809
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 3: trade for Deshaun Watson. For you know, Cleveland's gonna take

1810
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 3: less to unload the contract, and you have the cap

1811
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: space to be able to afford the contract, So that

1812
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 3: means you can get Miles Garrett for pennies on the dollar.

1813
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: Jill Milton like, I don't think that's realistic, but I

1814
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: don't think he's being so okay.

1815
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: It's almost like a bit I apologize.

1816
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: Then, I don't think I'm just trying to see it

1817
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 3: because I've seen a lot of people throw scenarios involving

1818
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: Watson to me and then going back to brock oswol

1819
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 3: This has been happening the mailbag for several weeks.

1820
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 6: In this scenario, do you what do you do with

1821
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 6: Watson if the Patriots acquire him?

1822
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 5: Do you see part of this team is he.

1823
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 4: Can't cut him because he's of the dead cap of

1824
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: that would cause I don't think unless it changed in

1825
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 4: a trade. I don't know how exactly the math of

1826
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 4: all of that, but that, like all this, it reminds

1827
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 4: me of baseball trade right. It's like what the Red

1828
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 4: Sox did with David Price. He bets right where.

1829
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,919
Speaker 3: You get less because you're including a big contact contract.

1830
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 3: But I don't think you're going to get that much

1831
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 3: less for Miles Garrett that you're getting him for Joe Milton.

1832
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 6: What would you guys do with him? With Deshaun Watson

1833
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 6: if you were Cleveland, Like, how do you get out

1834
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 6: of that?

1835
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 3: Do you just do?

1836
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 5: You have to just bite the bullet?

1837
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: And I don't know the particulars about the dead money,

1838
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, if I just decided he can't play for

1839
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: me anymore, then that would yeah.

1840
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Denver off that.

1841
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: One of the worst contracts transactions in sports history.

1842
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 3: Up there probably in a conversation.

1843
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 8: Absolutely.

1844
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 3: I just can't believe how much forget about the person

1845
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: because the person has no defense. I just can't believe

1846
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 3: how much he fell off as a player. Yeah, I

1847
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 3: never would have guessed that, you know, and now like

1848
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: the same kind it's so weird, like the similarities with

1849
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: Justin Tucker now and I can't believe Baltimore hasn't cut

1850
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 3: ties with them.

1851
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well you gotta let justice.

1852
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: I don't think you do. Uh, John, I don't think

1853
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 3: you do.

1854
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially in that he's a kicker, I know, but

1855
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 4: I mean he's kind of washed.

1856
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 9: Was people are saying is he washed because because maybe

1857
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 9: he knew that was coming off the pipeline.

1858
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Louisiana writes, And it seems for the Patriots

1859
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: media and fans, they think to have a great O line,

1860
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 2: you need to have a great O line to win.

1861
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: Along with that the notion that you have to get

1862
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: the O line in the first round or they're no good.

1863
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: I think how bad our O line has been has

1864
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: more to do with how the front office has approached

1865
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 2: dressing it more than anything. What the Patriots have had

1866
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 2: the past two years has been worse than average, and

1867
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: I think we need to calm it down by thinking

1868
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 2: it has to be great good or average will do

1869
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: the trick. Also, Evan is a fraud. Let me know

1870
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 2: if I have to email in why later.

1871
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 8: I agree.

1872
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 3: I look forward to that though.

1873
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 4: But I think we're all in agreement on that email.

1874
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody is saying it needs to be

1875
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 4: an Alito line. They just don't even have service.

1876
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: So there's some people saying it no.

1877
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 3: And he's that Fread's right that like that's what really

1878
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 3: started to like get under my skin a little bit.

1879
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: Is like that it's the latest example of what the

1880
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: characteristics were of the team that won the Super Bowl.

1881
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: The only way to do it.

1882
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 3: Recently, Bias and I would even argue, like Philadelphia's offensive

1883
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 3: line is tremendous. I mean, I don't think anybody. I

1884
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 3: mean I think all of them got like all pro consideration.

1885
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: I think all five of them, or at least four

1886
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 3: out of five of them. They couldn't run the ball

1887
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl like Saquon Barkley put up this

1888
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: historic season. He couldn't run from here to there in

1889
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. So did they dominate the line of

1890
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: scrimmage in the run game? No, But I think that

1891
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 3: they did everything else at such a high level.

1892
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 8: Right.

1893
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: Their defensive line bothered Kansas City so much. Offensively, the

1894
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 3: passing game for Philadelphia was so effective and efficient. I

1895
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: think it was like seventeen for twenty two. It's really efficient,

1896
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 3: but a big plays, big.

1897
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Domin I think that was an example of in the NFL,

1898
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: if a defense commits to stopping the run, they're probably

1899
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 2: gonna do.

1900
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 3: But they didn't.

1901
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: But at what costs?

1902
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: They didn't commit to stop That was the thing you

1903
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 3: don't think they did. They didn't. There's Evans guys out

1904
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 3: there with all kinds of stuff out there. They didn't

1905
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 3: have that normally heavy boxes the whole game. They just

1906
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 3: stopped the run because Kansas City is pretty good on defense.

1907
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,959
Speaker 2: Well, they certainly didn't blitz. They never like took chances

1908
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: that would keep them vulnerable to the run.

1909
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:44,799
Speaker 3: But they couldn't cover right because Philadelphia's got good players,

1910
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 3: not just good linemen. They have good players. They have

1911
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 3: like AJ Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard. There

1912
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 3: good players in Kansas City's good players didn't keep up.

1913
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie had a tough day.

1914
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 5: I like that email side before the part about you.

1915
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: Of course I like that too, But.

1916
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 4: I want to know why not to.

1917
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 6: Say that Ben Brown or Trade Jacobs are the answer.

1918
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 6: But there's this part of me of like, of this

1919
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 6: bunch of dudes that they have that some have promised,

1920
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 6: some you don't really feel great about with free agency,

1921
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 6: with some of the draft, can you just get to good?

1922
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 5: Can you just get to okay?

1923
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. Some of those Patriots teams

1924
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 6: that were great, I never thought of them as like

1925
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 6: a dominant offensive line. I mean, I think Logan Mankins

1926
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 6: was dominant at times. I never thought of Matt light

1927
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 6: as a dominant.

1928
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: Thought, they were always really good release. How many years, Paul,

1929
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: be honest about this, how many years during the dynasty

1930
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: did we have a discussion on this show how many

1931
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: guys on the Patriots roster would you take on another team?

1932
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: And we had certain years during the dynasty where we said,

1933
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: are roster is not that loaded? Right, we had those discussions.

1934
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,480
Speaker 3: I would say that that that absolutely we had discussions

1935
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: like that.

1936
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: You're right, and that's why Brady got pissed.

1937
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 3: The offensive line was in my opinion, although light Year

1938
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 3: is better than this one also a product of Brady. Yeah, Like,

1939
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 3: you don't have to have great linemen when you have

1940
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 3: that guy deciphering things and as he said, knowing the

1941
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: answers to the test.

1942
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 6: But whether it's having the greatest quarterback of all time, huge,

1943
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 6: whether it's having Dante Scarnekia, it just doesn't have to be.

1944
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 6: We need to overinvest in the left tackle and the

1945
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 6: left guard, and you know, going to the point of

1946
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 6: drafting Campbell and signing you know, a big name free

1947
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 6: agent in those positions, Like I just I think that

1948
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 6: there can be a solid offseason where they get to

1949
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 6: respectable and Drake may feeds into that, and maybe the

1950
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 6: new offensive line coach Doug Maroon fits into that as advantage.

1951
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 3: But you have to but you have to add like

1952
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 3: if you're just going to bring back Jacobs and Brown

1953
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: and expect your offensive line to be better this year

1954
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: than it was last year, it's not hundred percent.

1955
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 4: Well I just I mean you said it. But like

1956
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 4: Dante scarnekia is is such a big part of all this,

1957
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 4: Like offensive line player is a five man unit, like

1958
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 4: so of all five guys need to be playing on

1959
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 4: the same string and they all have to see it

1960
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: through the same set of eyes, is what you know.

1961
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 4: It's in the line room. It's like a poster that

1962
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 4: Dante quote. You know, see you through the same set

1963
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 4: of eyes. And like Jeff Stoaltlin in Philadelphia is in

1964
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 4: my opinion, one of the best offensive line coaches of

1965
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 4: all time as well. And so when they take Jordan Mylotta,

1966
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 4: who is a seventh round pick who played rugby his

1967
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 4: entire life, and over a couple of years of development,

1968
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 4: Jeff Staltlin turns him into a top five left tackle

1969
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 4: in football, you know you can go all like it's

1970
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 4: easier than so when you take when you have a

1971
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 4: coach like that, and maybe Doug Maro own's a better

1972
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: coach than than Scott Peters or the average run of

1973
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 4: the mill offensive line coach. But you don't need to

1974
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 4: target offensive lineman at the top of the market. You

1975
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 4: don't need to target offensive lineman in the first round

1976
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 4: because you know Marcus Cannon in Sebastian Volmer and those guys.

1977
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 4: You know, obviously Stephen Niels the extreme example. But like

1978
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 4: Shaq Mason, Joe Tooney is a third round pick, David

1979
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 4: Andrews is undrafted when you hand him to a guy

1980
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 4: who I think should be in the Profole Ball Hall

1981
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: of Fame. All of a sudden, they have a good

1982
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 4: offensive line, and so a lot of these other teams

1983
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 4: that don't have that luxury they need to go get

1984
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 4: better players, like the players need to be the ones

1985
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 4: that are rising the ceiling of the group. So it's

1986
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 4: hard to say, like, oh, you don't need to go,

1987
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 4: you know, attack the offensive line in the first round. Well,

1988
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 4: if we assume that Doug Moron is going to turn

1989
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 4: their third round pick into a starting caliber tackle, than fine,

1990
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 4: But like we're putting a lot of faith in Doug

1991
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: Moron that he's going to be able to do that.

1992
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: And I would just say in Fred's being being snarky

1993
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 3: with with our views on the offensive line over the years,

1994
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: and I would agree with it. You don't have to

1995
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 3: like like Mishaan Slater and Joell both both first round picks. Okay,

1996
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 3: that's one way to do it. They have a good

1997
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: offensive line, but you don't have to do it that way.

1998
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 3: As Evan just gave you examples. But the Patriots don't

1999
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: have any. We had an SPFW about this one too,

2000
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 3: probably a couple of months ago. I believe it's the

2001
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 3: only I think it's the only offensive line in the

2002
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 3: entire NFL that doesn't have a single first or second

2003
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: round pick. And you know, when you're talking about those lines,

2004
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: you know Logan Mankins was a first round pick, Matt

2005
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 3: Light was a second round pick, so Ashian Volmer was

2006
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: a second round pick. They did invest some into the

2007
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 3: offensive line.

2008
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: Nate Solder was a first round I.

2009
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 3: Need you to listen so you can get you know

2010
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: you can. You can get Steven Neil in the mix

2011
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 3: and have some patients in developing him. And you have

2012
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 3: a guy like Joe andrewsy or Dan Connolly or Russ

2013
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: Hochstein as one of the other guys that you have

2014
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 3: some talent around him, you know, and then you can

2015
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 3: sort of fill it in. The Patriots have neither. They

2016
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 3: don't have these they don't have these developmental guys like

2017
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Steve and Neil, and they don't have any blue chip

2018
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, guys that came out, you know, Cole Strange.

2019
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,480
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, there's a first round pick and unfortunately

2020
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: he hasn't really panned out.

2021
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you look at the Eagles, like

2022
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 4: Lane Johnson is going to go into the Hall of

2023
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 4: Fame someday, and so LANDA.

2024
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 3: Dickerson was a high draft pick too.

2025
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, top one hundred guy, and so like Lane Johnson

2026
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 4: is the anchor of the Eagles offensive line, you know,

2027
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 4: and he was the fourth overall picking a draft.

2028
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 3: And dam Jurgen's second round pick.

2029
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 4: You know that that's a big part of it too.

2030
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Until Barton Poland along these lines. People love to say

2031
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 2: that you win in the trenches, or you win with

2032
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: a top three quarterback. You know, how you win hitting

2033
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: your players, not you know, hitting on hitting on the players.

2034
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: Many many say that the many say that the Bengals,

2035
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: for example, focused on their weapons instead of the lines

2036
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 2: and defense. Well, no, they spent big money in draft

2037
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: capital on the old line and secondary, but they missed

2038
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: on most of them, just like the Eagles hit on

2039
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: most of their players, both in free agency and in

2040
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: the draft, as well as in the trade market. So

2041
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't really care what position grew we focus on

2042
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter unless you hit on them.

2043
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 3: What a great email. He's right about Cincinnati. Cincinnati has

2044
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 3: spent resources trying to fix what is the problem with

2045
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 3: the team, and they missed.

2046
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 5: Around and around they go.

2047
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: For the most part, they have some They had a

2048
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 3: horrible secondary last year and they sunk a lot of

2049
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: money into it and it failed.

2050
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 4: The defensive side of the ball. That that's probably true.

2051
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 4: You know, I think their offensive line, some of their

2052
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: guys that they've signed, you know, Teddy Carris, I think

2053
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 4: Marius mim is going to be a good draft pick.

2054
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 4: Like some of those things have worked out for them.

2055
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 3: But but that wasn't big money. They put big money

2056
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 3: into the secondary. They put some big money into some

2057
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 3: of the areas that they lack, and those areas haven't

2058
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 3: been great. But I agree with you on I kind

2059
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 3: of liked Mims in the draft.

2060
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Lash.

2061
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to be a good player.

2062
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 4: He's kind of last year's Josh Simmons. You know, injuries,

2063
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 4: short lifespan in college. So let's see what happened.

2064
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 2: Kakara in Jacksonville says, remember Fred's theory on cold Strange.

2065
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 2: I think it actually applies perfect ly to Travis Hunter.

2066
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Let's try him out wide receiver. If he fails, worst

2067
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: case scenario is that he's an All Pro cornerback. What

2068
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: do you think about that? Is that? Did I say

2069
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: that about col Strange?

2070
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 14: So?

2071
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 3: I think it was Isaiah winning his floor. His floor

2072
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 3: was an All Pro guard. He might have said pro Bowl, Pro.

2073
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 8: Bowl guard, pro Bowl.

2074
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his floor.

2075
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 4: He's actually playing guard now in Miami and he ain't

2076
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl.

2077
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 2: Well I always heard, yeah, they stunted his growth.

2078
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 3: See, but that you know what? Miami is an example too,

2079
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: Like it was like the fastest way to rebuild, the

2080
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 3: fastest way you gotta build in the trenches. Well, Miami

2081
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 3: is not a Super Bowl winning team by any stretch,

2082
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 3: but they have rebuilt themselves into a playoff team. Right.

2083
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 3: They made the playoffs the last two years. They didn't

2084
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 3: make it this year, but close enough.

2085
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 2: They win football games.

2086
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 4: But they always get their butts kicked.

2087
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying they went They went from

2088
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 3: the worst team in the league to a playoff team

2089
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 3: in like three years, not by fixing the train. They

2090
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 3: did it by getting weapons. Yeah, you can do it

2091
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: different ways.

2092
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2093
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 3: I mean they ignored the trenches, which that's a problem.

2094
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 3: So you can't get over the humpany only plays half

2095
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 3: the games.

2096
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but every time they play, Miami plays a contender.

2097
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 4: You know their record yep, even with healthy two against

2098
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 4: like good teams, it's terrible. It's because they get their

2099
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 4: butts kicked in the trenches like they can't I would agree,

2100
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 4: and they can't move the.

2101
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 3: But would you be happy right now to be Miami

2102
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 3: right now? I'm not talking about forever. I'm talking about

2103
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 3: right now. I'd be much rather be Miami and then say, hey,

2104
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 3: we get a couple offensive linemen, we fix some things

2105
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 3: over here, and we can be a contender.

2106
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Right.

2107
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 4: I think that team is soft, so I worry about

2108
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: I agree with I don't think they're going anywhere because

2109
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 4: of that.

2110
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 3: You're missing my point, right, I'm talking about the caliber

2111
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 3: of team forgetting a close out. They got to the

2112
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 3: point where they were one of the worst teams in

2113
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 3: the league when Brian Flores and now they have a

2114
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 3: talented roster that's missing important pieces and they can't be

2115
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 3: a contender until they get those. The Patriots are light

2116
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 3: years away from that.

2117
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 4: And they'll keep drafting Chop Robinson's and stuff like that.

2118
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not listening.

2119
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 3: You know what he's doing.

2120
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 4: He's doing because I wouldn't.

2121
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,440
Speaker 3: He's being and okay, but if he's being intentionally obtuse.

2122
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 2: He's saying that.

2123
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 4: Okay, they say that you can get then change the

2124
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 4: If you're telling me that I am running the team

2125
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 4: from this point on.

2126
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 3: They're going to draft three All Pro offensive linemen just

2127
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 3: to suit your needs.

2128
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 4: I'm telling you that you're good. They will. They will

2129
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 4: go into this year's draft and they will do none.

2130
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 3: They might screw it up, and that's I want to

2131
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 3: be their person the personnel chief. I'm telling you, they

2132
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 3: went from a terrible team personnel wise to a good

2133
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 3: team personnel wise. They're not a great team yet.

2134
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 2: And think about think about how close do they'd be

2135
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 2: if they were you.

2136
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 3: They did that without addressing the trenches. Somehow now, which

2137
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 3: is the only way to do it.

2138
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 2: That's how you shut them.

2139
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 4: No, I still disagree. Okay, I don't want any I

2140
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 4: don't want anything to do with Themami, and you want.

2141
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Quarterback getting talent, help me, it's nothing to do.

2142
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 3: They wanted to be Miami. But I'm telling you how

2143
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 3: quickly you can get to respectability regardless of players.

2144
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Okay, they have talent in the wrong places.

2145
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 4: Like they have great top end talent. If you want

2146
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 4: to draft those players for your fantasy team, cool. If

2147
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 4: you want to win football games in the NFL way

2148
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 4: to do both? No, not really a playoff game.

2149
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 2: What do you want to get to the playoffs?

2150
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:31,879
Speaker 3: You go four and thirteen?

2151
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 4: Okay, last couple of years, Yes that is true. But

2152
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 4: like I would not want to be in their.

2153
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Position, but I want to be in their position. I'm

2154
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 3: telling you I want to be out of the Patriots position.

2155
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 3: I would.

2156
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 19: Differently than the Patriots the last two years. Go get

2157
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 19: your shiny toys. It's not shiny toys. I want talented players.

2158
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 19: I don't care what position they play. I don't care

2159
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 19: if their.

2160
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 2: Lineman, and.

2161
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 3: If if the best choice is Will Campbell, I want

2162
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 3: Will Campbell like, I'm not opposed to linemen, right, I'm

2163
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: just that email was perfect. If you get talent and

2164
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 3: your team, you hit on your players.

2165
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think the difference it just we can

2166
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 4: move on from the Dolphins thing. I just like picking

2167
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 4: on the Dolphins, but I think that.

2168
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 3: Which is completely transparent. It's just a division team that

2169
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 3: you hate and you refuse to give them any credit.

2170
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 4: I give them slight credit. But I just don't want

2171
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 4: to be a regular season team that there's no that's fine,

2172
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 4: that wins nine games with my quarterbacks healthy, but otherwise.

2173
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 3: A lot of teams like that. But but right now

2174
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 3: you're the Carolina Panthers. I don't want to be that.

2175
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 4: How we go throw them a parade?

2176
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 8: How many?

2177
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 4: How many regular how many regular season games?

2178
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 8: It's a parade.

2179
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 3: It's okay, much rather go for go hang the bach,

2180
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 3: rather go much rather go. We go to the press

2181
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 3: box against a team that didn't play.

2182
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me, let me, let me rephrase

2183
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Yeah, let's go back four years ten say,

2184
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 2: over the last four years, the Patriots have gotten some

2185
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: high end talent at these shiny positions that you talk about. Yes,

2186
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 2: and right now, where record wise and competition wise the

2187
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 2: same as Miami, where all we need is to build

2188
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 2: up the trenches. Would you like to be in that

2189
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 2: position right now where we've got high end talent at

2190
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 2: some key positions.

2191
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 3: Okay, how do you think.

2192
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is building from the inside out?

2193
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 3: First? Pretty good? You think Pittsburgh's pretty good in the trenches.

2194
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 3: What are they missing? Quarterback shiny toys, the same spot

2195
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: that Miami is. They ain't going anywhere. They ain't gonna

2196
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 3: win a playoff game. They haven't won a playoff game

2197
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 3: in a long time.

2198
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 4: That's true.

2199
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 3: Same thing.

2200
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 8: And I.

2201
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: Want to be good players, that's all. And I don't

2202
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 3: want to get more good players to get me championship

2203
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 3: left and.

2204
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 2: Hopefully one of our best players is the quarterback.

2205
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 3: Well I write correct, I don't want to get there

2206
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 3: and then have rock party and then he gets then

2207
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: he really loses.

2208
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 4: I'm really in trouble. That's the case. I think. The

2209
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 4: other big thing, just like in this particular draft, because

2210
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 4: we are in we're not making up players. It's not

2211
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 4: Madden where we can just like create players out of

2212
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 4: thin air. In this particular draft, I strongly feel that

2213
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 4: there's not a big separation in talent from I would

2214
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 4: say probably three to four to like twelve ish. It's

2215
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 4: all kind of the same player. People feel that in

2216
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 4: terms of level of talent. So in this draft, position

2217
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 4: and positional value is kind of a big deal because

2218
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 4: in other drafts you could sit there and say, Okay,

2219
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 4: we don't want to take this guy because we're going

2220
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 4: to take the blue chip receiver.

2221
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 3: I just need them to be right.

2222
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 4: But but but my point is is that in this draft,

2223
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 4: I would say that best player available is kind of

2224
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 4: non existent because they're all kind of the same level

2225
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 4: of talent. So you need the best player available for

2226
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 4: your particular situation.

2227
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: To need the guy that turns out to be the

2228
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 3: best player available. Because I understand what everybody says about

2229
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 3: this draft, and Fred, you're a big proponent of this.

2230
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 3: Everybody says four, five, ten, twelve, sixty, same. It ain't

2231
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 3: gonna work out that way. Two or three of those

2232
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 3: guys that get picked out of those fifteen spots are

2233
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 3: gonna be much better than the rest. You need to

2234
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: find the one that's much better than the rest, right,

2235
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 3: because it doesn't work in a vacuum where all players

2236
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 3: are equal. That's how they're all rated. I agree with Evan.

2237
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 3: That's how everything I've read, that's how they described this draft. Yeah,

2238
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 3: and it's even a bigger gap once you get to

2239
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 3: like twenty to fifty. Yeah, people think is basically the same.

2240
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work out that way. And one of

2241
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 3: those receivers that gets drafted there's gonna be Terry McLaurin

2242
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 3: and another one's gonna be Nikhil Harry.

2243
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 4: Correct.

2244
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,799
Speaker 3: You gotta make sure you find out which one's McLaurin, right.

2245
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I just there's two things that

2246
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 4: are that are coming out about about this draft a lot,

2247
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 4: and one of them is, you know, about the positional value.

2248
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 4: Will Campbell guard tackle that sort of thing? And the

2249
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 4: other thing that is big is trading down. And to

2250
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 4: both those things, you know, I've kind of already made

2251
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 4: my point about Campbell thing. But to the trade down people,

2252
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 4: you can't just make up a trade, right, like, people

2253
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 4: have to be interested in wanting to trade up for

2254
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 4: your pick. And then if you trade down to let's

2255
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 4: say nine, which is a popular trade down with New

2256
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 4: Orleans right now, and the Patriots are at four, you

2257
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 4: need five other guys to go between four through eight,

2258
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 4: so that your guy makes it to nine. So who

2259
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 4: is going from four to eight? That's pushing Will Campbell

2260
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 4: down to nine.

2261
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of the trade down people

2262
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 2: don't care. They have a lot of guys that they're

2263
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 2: willing to take at nine and that's the point.

2264
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 3: And that's okay, Yeah, as long as you get a

2265
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 3: guy that's really good, right right, because there will be

2266
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 3: a difference between five six some of those A couple

2267
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 3: of those plays are going to be really good and

2268
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 3: a couple of them are. It's just the way it is.

2269
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 3: Every year.

2270
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 4: I just hear a lot of the value isn't there,

2271
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 4: so I take them at eight, but I wouldn't take

2272
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 4: them at four. And it's like, okay, but in this draft,

2273
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 4: there's not the depth in the top ten that's gonna

2274
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:04,440
Speaker 4: push those players down to eight. So there's no quarterbacks.

2275
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think they're saying I'd rather have two players

2276
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 2: of equal value than one player because they're all the same.

2277
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 2: How you getting two because you're you're trading down. You're

2278
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 2: picking up an asset, right, Yeah.

2279
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 3: But there's not gonna be an equal value you're gonna get. Well,

2280
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna swap spots and get like a second round pick.

2281
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I can get lucky and you get two.

2282
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 3: Good and you're not getting two first round but you can.

2283
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 2: You get volume, and maybe you know, because everyone's about equal,

2284
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 2: maybe I can get two good players instead of one.

2285
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying. I just I think you

2286
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 4: have to be prepared in this type of draft that

2287
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 4: if you do make a trade down like that, there's

2288
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 4: a very good chance absolutely that you are not going

2289
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 4: to get your guy. And I think it's just like

2290
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 4: a foregone conclusion, like oh, let's just trade down to

2291
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 4: eight and we'll just draft Campbell then yeah, no, I

2292
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 4: and it's.

2293
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 3: Like it's just as easy that you trade down and

2294
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 3: end up with cold Strange instead.

2295
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 2: Of I think it's Patriots fans we have to go

2296
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 2: into this draft thinking stay put, just pick your guys,

2297
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:58,799
Speaker 2: pick your players.

2298
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 4: That's how I feel, because I just feel like things

2299
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 4: like positional value, I think are going to matter more

2300
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 4: in a draft like this where all everyone's kind of

2301
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 4: stacked vertically the same. Yeah, and so now it's like

2302
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 4: we need to tackle, we need a pass rusher, we

2303
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 4: need a wide receiver, and it's just going to kind

2304
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 4: of go as a Flavors draft more than it is

2305
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 4: going to be.

2306
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 2: Like I can tell you for the draft show that

2307
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 2: we do, I will not be wearing a tux. This

2308
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 2: isn't that. This isn't that type of draft. Now, we're

2309
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 2: not going to be getting the course. I'm not going

2310
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 2: to be wearing a tux. It's more of a workman

2311
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: like draft. I might be wearing a blue Quala.

2312
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 4: This is this is socks for Christmas draft.

2313
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 3: This is this socks for your draft for a long time,

2314
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 3: and you brought me to that side, the Will Campbell's side.

2315
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 4: And it's not just Will Campbell, but if it's Mason Graham,

2316
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 4: it's Mason Graham. But like this is a little less

2317
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 4: This is not your This is not the shining new

2318
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 4: toy draft like that might come next year hopefully, you know,

2319
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 4: but that this is a socks and underwear for Christmas dress.

2320
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Blue Kuala, Let's see, Michael writes him.

2321
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 2: We're going to pick on Evan a little bit more here,

2322
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: he says. Following the Patriots victory at Cincinnati, the esteemed

2323
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 2: Evan Lazarre stated that he believed Stevenson was in the

2324
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 2: conversation with McCaffrey and others for best impact running backs.

2325
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Fast forward to today. Would you trade in or otherwise

2326
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 2: draft to replace Stevenson? Maybe Drake skuy Hampton.

2327
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 4: I don't remember saying that, but I don't remember saying that.

2328
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 3: I remember saying that.

2329
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 5: I don't remember saying that, I'm gonna go with doesn't

2330
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 5: sound like Evan, But.

2331
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 2: We were all kind of high after that game and

2332
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 2: Stevens run.

2333
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 3: He had a great game. Yeah, did anybody ever consider

2334
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,799
Speaker 3: him one of the best running backs in football?

2335
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 16: Bee?

2336
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think he said impact players.

2337
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,560
Speaker 3: That's Christian McCaffrey's. I mean, that's that's a different I

2338
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 3: don't know.

2339
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:49,799
Speaker 5: I would address it a big.

2340
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 3: Boy he said it.

2341
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 5: I would take a swing on a on the draft

2342
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 5: pick this year, for sure.

2343
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 3: I heard them talking on one of my shows yesterday

2344
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 3: about the possibility of trading Herman Seers.

2345
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 2: I think everything's on the table. That's it right now.

2346
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 4: That's another tough one though, in terms of and Zoe

2347
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 4: were talking about the contract, like they just signed him

2348
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 4: to this contract. So he's doing a lot of money

2349
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 4: on that contract.

2350
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 3: But he's easily tradable, But what's the value going to be?

2351
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 4: It's already a devalued position, and on top of that,

2352
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 4: now he's being paid well to play that position.

2353
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:23,839
Speaker 2: Is it worth well if you're just looking for assets

2354
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: because you're thinking of bundling to go up, you know,

2355
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: maybe that's the.

2356
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 4: Fifth if you get a fourth or fifth round pick,

2357
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 4: what like? Do would you rather just have Hermandra Stevens,

2358
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

2359
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm just saying if you were helpent on trading him, sure,

2360
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 3: And I think that what they were doing, you know,

2361
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 3: in Beatle and Zoe's defense, Beatle was sort of talking about,

2362
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, the style and depending on how they're going

2363
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 3: to run the ball too right, you know, is Josh

2364
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 3: going to go to that traditional gap power stuff that

2365
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 3: Evan talks about all the time, And you were talking

2366
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 3: about it with Rabes like, probably want to keep Stevenson.

2367
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 3: He's more suited to Jess.

2368
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 4: I definitely hope they are going that.

2369
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 2: Now.

2370
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 3: If they stick with the zone stuff, then maybe you

2371
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: move on because I don't think he's really suited to it.

2372
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 2: Good point eight five five PATS five hundred is the

2373
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 2: eighth tp X hotline. Josh is in Tennessee. What's up, Josh? Josh?

2374
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: You're calling from Cold Strange land. Josh now going once

2375
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 2: twice three, he's gone. We'll go to Agaam. Patty's there.

2376
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?

2377
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 15: What's up?

2378
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 10: Everyone?

2379
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, hey, Paul and Evan.

2380
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 10: That is a great fight. We need more of that

2381
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 10: in the show.

2382
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Audrey says, bravo to all of you, and it

2383
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 2: came fire and laughter is back. Well done, so Audrey approves.

2384
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 10: Great.

2385
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 13: Great.

2386
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 10: You guys were talking about like the game growing internationally

2387
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 10: and possibly like getting you know, players to come out

2388
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 10: come over here from other countries. Do you think that's

2389
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 10: a good avenue to try and like maybe like get

2390
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 10: off inensive lineman sort of like develop offensive line because

2391
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 10: it seems like here in America, like with the growth

2392
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 10: of seven on seven.

2393
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 15: We've were seen a lot of skill guys, like a

2394
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 15: lot of cornerbacks, wide receivers, but it just seems to

2395
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 15: be that the online talent seems to be brest. You know,

2396
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 15: it doesn't seem to be there like it used to be.

2397
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 15: And I'll take it off fair.

2398
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, yeah, I mean, if you're big and you're

2399
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 2: fairly coordinated, a guy like Dante Scarnecia can mold you

2400
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 2: into probably a good offensive lineman and but you've got

2401
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 2: to have the measurables, and you know, like I said,

2402
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 2: you have to be somewhat coordinated. Yeah, yeah, sure, I.

2403
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 4: Was a Sea Bass was in that category. Like he

2404
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 4: played in college, but he didn't play a ton of American.

2405
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 2: Football, like two years at Houston or something like that.

2406
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was six y six and could move

2407
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 4: and talk.

2408
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 5: I think.

2409
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 9: So those are the countries you kind of have to target, though,

2410
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 9: like your Germany's, like American Samola, places like that. I

2411
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 9: find those big because like frankly, I don't think you're

2412
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 9: going to find them in Brazil.

2413
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, Germany.

2414
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:06,799
Speaker 4: Let me a kicker, Yeah, a big guy.

2415
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 2: Justin's in Kansas City. Hey Justin?

2416
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:13,839
Speaker 20: Hey, what's going on guys?

2417
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 3: Hey?

2418
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 20: So a quick question. I know that like kind of

2419
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 20: the smart thing quote unquote to do is at fourth

2420
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 20: grab abdul Carter. Uh, if he's available. I'm a big

2421
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 20: Travis Hunter guy. If that guy's available, I don't think

2422
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 20: he's going to be available. But how long do you

2423
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 20: think that it is justifiable to kind of kick the

2424
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 20: can down the road when it comes to offensive tackle

2425
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 20: and wide receiver, because it already feels like it's been

2426
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 20: a very long time, you know, like with Trent Brown,

2427
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 20: it felt like that was kind of a stopgap with

2428
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 20: wide receiver. It feels like he failed for like a

2429
01:46:54,840 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 20: very long time in drafting wide receivers. Sometimes I have

2430
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 20: been asking the question lately that like, is best player

2431
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 20: available still the best route when building a football team

2432
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 20: in every single instance? You know, Like I understand that,

2433
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 20: like we get into positional value and whatnot. But I

2434
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 20: let's say, hypothetically, Will Campbell can be like Nate Solders

2435
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 20: like and Abdul Carter is like this, like perennial all

2436
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 20: Pro player like Nate Solder is not considered to be

2437
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 20: an amazing all time Patriot, but he gave you something

2438
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 20: that was extremely reliable that you didn't have to worry

2439
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 20: about that offensive tackle position. Like how valuable is it

2440
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 20: to just not have to worry about these positions anymore?

2441
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a lot, I mean, I mean yeah,

2442
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 3: I would just ask, justin do you have examples of

2443
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 3: what you think as times where they aired by taking

2444
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 3: the best player available as opposed to to filling a

2445
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 3: need or vice versa.

2446
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:07,480
Speaker 20: I'll give you one Specifically, I think that Christian Gonzalez

2447
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 20: is a way better player than like Jackson Smith and

2448
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 20: the Jagbob. But I think we would feel more secure

2449
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 20: as a team if we had a guy like j

2450
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:19,879
Speaker 20: Jackson the Jacobs.

2451
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 3: It's a good example. When did that they got the

2452
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 3: better player? Oh, I think you can make an argument

2453
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 3: that Jackson Smith and Jig is a better player than

2454
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales. I think you could easily make that argument.

2455
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 3: I think you can make it the other way, just

2456
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 3: as just as easy Gonzales is better than him. But

2457
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 3: which one of them would be better for.

2458
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 20: The team that like? I think the consensus is that

2459
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 20: Christian Gonzalez is like a top five to seven corner

2460
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 20: and Jackson Smith the Jigs is not necessarily there yet.

2461
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 20: I think he can get there.

2462
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 3: But I think it's a different a different animal you're

2463
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 3: asking about. I wouldn't put Gonzales in that company yet, But.

2464
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I kind of disagree. It was a

2465
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: lot more receiver your original premise justin about the Patriots

2466
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 2: kicking the can down the road. When it comes to why.

2467
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 3: They've certainly done that at tackle, I don't think they've

2468
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 3: done it every summer.

2469
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 2: They just missing they're whipping.

2470
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they just took one that really the

2471
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 3: first pick that they had a choice of anything, they

2472
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 3: took a wide receiver.

2473
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 2: Last year, right, exactly right.

2474
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 3: I mean you had to take Drake may Att three, right,

2475
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 3: So the first pick that they had an option, they

2476
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 3: took a wide receiver and they missed. Yeah, just what

2477
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 3: three or four years earlier they took a wide receiver

2478
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 3: in the first round and missed, right.

2479
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 6: And they were pursuing free agent wide receivers last year

2480
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 6: as well and missed. But I think the tackle example

2481
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 6: is a great one, and that's what we went into

2482
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 6: that last season thinking they've ignored this position. There isn't

2483
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 6: even really an attempt. And I mean, go back to

2484
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 6: Isaiah Win. I think that's kind of where it started

2485
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 6: to unravel a little bit.

2486
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 2: Is projecting him a little bit of I started unraveling

2487
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 2: with Joe Toney.

2488
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but isaiahen was even before that.

2489
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 2: It started unraveling with Joe.

2490
01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 3: I think it was Isaiah Win.

2491
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

2492
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,679
Speaker 3: But I think you tried to draft your next left tackle,

2493
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 3: like you had somebody, you know, with Matt Light and

2494
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 3: with Nate Solder, and you have the next one and

2495
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 3: he missed.

2496
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 6: Owt agreed, you got Trent Brown on the straight and

2497
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 6: narrow for a year. That was maybe a fool's goal

2498
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 6: that you were buying into.

2499
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 5: You tried to do it again. It didn't work out

2500
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 5: the same way.

2501
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 3: But they haven't really tried since.

2502
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 5: Yea, they haven't. That's why I agree with it was

2503
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 5: certainly not last year.

2504
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 3: The caller, I forget the caller's name now from Kansas

2505
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 3: City was Justin. Justin, Justin and Kansas City.

2506
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 2: I agree with him.

2507
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 3: I think they've kicked that can down the road too much.

2508
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, with tackle, that's why it's appealing to just stabilize it.

2509
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 6: And you know, if it is like a Ronnie Stanley

2510
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 6: is a little sure, but like you just get a

2511
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 6: guy there where you're like, that is our left tackle come.

2512
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 6: You know, whatever happens, rain or shine, this is going

2513
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 6: to be our guy next year. But like one other

2514
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 6: point us talking about this, the key's popping in my

2515
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 6: head is like you're never done.

2516
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 5: You're never like the.

2517
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 6: Offensive lines all set and then somebody goes down week

2518
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 6: to U training camp and you're scrambling. I think it's

2519
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 6: as much about getting the program back in shape, really

2520
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 6: having coaches that you believe in and being able to

2521
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 6: withstand the inevitable injuries that are going to all of

2522
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 6: a sudden change it. You're just you're never also our personnel.

2523
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 6: We're all set, we're good. Let's just ride at the

2524
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 6: super But.

2525
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,600
Speaker 3: If you could get it to the point where, you know,

2526
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 3: use your Stanley and maybe they draft the tackle too.

2527
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 3: And now, like Kayden Wallace is sort of like a

2528
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 3: third tackle type and inside you know you have David

2529
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:23,679
Speaker 3: Andrews back at center and wan who you feel pretty

2530
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 3: good about it, right guard? I like the idea of

2531
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 3: now I have Cole Strange or Leyden Robinson or whoever

2532
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 3: else you want to put into the you know, Ben Brown,

2533
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 3: does he have any flexibility to play center? Or you

2534
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 3: know Jake Andrews, you guys mentioned earlier in the show.

2535
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 3: I feel a little bit better about those are my third, fourth,

2536
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 3: and fifth options as opposed to I got to start

2537
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 3: Ben Brown and de Madre Jacobs and Vederian Lowe.

2538
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 6: That's all I'm asking this year is like, can we

2539
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 6: just get Leyden Robinson up to a serviceable level? Can

2540
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 6: we just get Kayden Wallace up to a serviceable level?

2541
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 5: Can we?

2542
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 6: I mean the ship's probably sailed on city, so but

2543
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 6: those kind of guys can just one, Yeah, maybe two

2544
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 6: of those, that's all.

2545
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 5: I'm asking one or two.

2546
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 2: Sheriff in town and his name is Doug, Doug Maroon.

2547
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't think Frank will come up with what is

2548
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 3: Reggia Hammond?

2549
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 6: But it's just a great example of that position group.

2550
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 6: Because I've been here, you know, six seasons now, it's

2551
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 6: been a different group every single year, different coaches. There's

2552
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 6: no stability there coaches, there's no consistency and message. And

2553
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 6: you realize how valuable that was, and then you get

2554
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 6: away from it and you realize this year is a

2555
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 6: blow up again, just like last year was, and you're

2556
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,480
Speaker 6: just trying desperately to find that stylity.

2557
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:36,879
Speaker 2: Sam's in Connecticut. Hey, Sam, Sam is no longer in Connecticut. Willson,

2558
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 2: Kentucky will love us all right, Hello.

2559
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,720
Speaker 20: You on a forklift.

2560
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 3: I want to pay attention.

2561
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 14: What about Burden at nine?

2562
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 4: What did he say?

2563
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 8: Luth?

2564
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 4: But he is a head case man like you gotta

2565
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 4: had a tough year. You gotta really make sure that

2566
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 4: that some of the you know, diva wide receiver stuff

2567
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 4: that he showed last year, like none of it's like

2568
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be anything too serious, but just had

2569
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 4: some meltdowns on the sideline and took him himself out

2570
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 4: of games and stuff like that, so you gotta clear him.

2571
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I mean it's definitely frustration because he

2572
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 4: wasn't getting the ball, but I mean that's still that's

2573
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 4: always going to.

2574
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 3: Be part of a disappointing year in general.

2575
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he's Uh, he's an intriguing prospect. I love

2576
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 4: Luther Burden on film, but I like.

2577
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 3: Him a lot.

2578
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 2: A guy driving around a forklift.

2579
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 6: I don't think he's a little bit when we start

2580
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 6: working how field, the whole segment about forklift.

2581
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 9: The hands free on speaker, it's a good question.

2582
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 3: Good player player, I like him.

2583
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 2: Kyle and Pembroke has an over under off season over

2584
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 2: under game like it off season. Let's see trades by

2585
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 2: the Patriots one and a half.

2586
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 3: Over for the whole off season.

2587
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess over over over call calls per show

2588
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 2: about Hunter versus Carter ten and A Hay already done that. Yeah,

2589
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 2: Campbell's arm length thirty two and a Hay Next Sunday,

2590
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 2: I'll find please, I can't get here enough.

2591
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,679
Speaker 4: I'm going to measure the guy's arms myself at this point,

2592
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 4: Like Jesus, tell me how long the arms are?

2593
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 8: How long?

2594
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 3: These are the things they keep them up.

2595
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 2: At over on bringing measuring, I say, over conversations about

2596
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: washers and dryers four and a half.

2597
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,920
Speaker 3: Unfortunately over I think we might be.

2598
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 2: Everybody knows why.

2599
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 9: That's usually once my favorite interior designer I follow, Just

2600
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 9: like redid a whole client's laundry. It's not even like

2601
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 9: a laundry closet. It's a huge room. Speed queens.

2602
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, there you go.

2603
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 3: That's where the designers go.

2604
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 6: You clean out your driver, you know what to look vacuum.

2605
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 6: Is that something a home owner should do? Well, they

2606
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 6: will do that, but can't I just get a way

2607
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:05,280
Speaker 6: to get what events?

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01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2609
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 5: Your dry Yeah take a leaf. Oh geez, that's an

2610
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 5: interesting idea.

2611
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 2: Not the one that you scoop out with your hand.

2612
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the one that goes to.

2613
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 9: The actual events.

2614
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 2: How do you do that?

2615
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:18,160
Speaker 3: You stick a little something in the.

2616
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 4: Stick things?

2617
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2618
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 4: I think it was.

2619
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should. You should clean it out a little bit.

2620
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 3: But even if you have to, you know, take off

2621
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 3: the you know, detach. It is the word I'm using.

2622
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 3: Words are heard. That's why we don't write your.

2623
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 4: Writers, Paul anymore your works.

2624
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 2: Finally, Lawns Mode by Evan Hey.

2625
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot to.

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01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 5: Choose not to May was when we get into the moment, right.

2627
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 4: Man, I'm never going to love that one.

2628
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm never going to have to mow

2629
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 3: my law. There's so much ice on my grass.

2630
01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:57,240
Speaker 5: It's like a skating drink out.

2631
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 3: There's huge, huge piles of ice.

2632
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:06,160
Speaker 2: It comes back, it always comes back right now. It's dormant, dormant.

2633
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 2: It's not suffering. It's dormant.

2634
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 4: Is it like Ted Williams, like.

2635
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 3: It's cut off head in cryogenics?

2636
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 2: Neil and New Brunswick's dormant, dormant, subtle thing some down

2637
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 2: Neil and New Brunswick. Does anyone know if Merrill Hodge

2638
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 2: took a victory lap. I still hope he's wrong in

2639
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 2: the long term. But is it true that he said

2640
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: that Drake May is a coach killer and any team

2641
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 2: at traft him will be firing their coach. That's exactly

2642
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 2: what happened, not because it's Drake May. Actually I'm very

2643
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 2: hopeful for Drake May. But he also had the most

2644
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 2: over over hype one not one and nine season in

2645
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 2: NFL history, in which he had ten interceptions nine fumbles.

2646
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 2: If a Jets rookie did that, we'd be calling it

2647
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 2: a bus. We can see the potential, and I sincerely

2648
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 2: hope with more help and better coaching, it's going to happen.

2649
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 2: The team has two seasons to decide if they want

2650
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 2: to give him fifty million dollars a year. Also, do

2651
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 2: you have any veteran quarterbacks you'd like to see come

2652
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 2: in this offseason?

2653
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 4: The team has more than two seasons to decide whether

2654
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 4: they're going to give him fifty million.

2655
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 3: Maybe three?

2656
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the fifth year option will be between

2657
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 4: the year three and four, right, so at least.

2658
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 3: Have that's if he works, you want to that's that's

2659
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 3: what that's when you re up him.

2660
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 4: After pretty easy assumption with the fifth year option, I think.

2661
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 8: What do we do?

2662
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 3: What do we feel about a veteran backup?

2663
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 4: All set?

2664
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of don't need.

2665
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 5: It, kind of disinterested. I think you still need an arm.

2666
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:41,839
Speaker 3: Do you think Joe Milton's the backup?

2667
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 5: I hope so, I'd like to give him every chance

2668
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 5: to be. I wouldn't assume that's the case.

2669
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 6: I think I'd still bring somebody in, but it'd be

2670
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 6: more like a not a Jacobe Brissette, but somebody even more.

2671
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 2: How much? How many games do you think they're gonna

2672
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: win this year? Like, let me rephrase that if you

2673
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 2: were if you were Mike Rabel, how many games do

2674
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 2: you think he thinks they could win this year? Because

2675
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 2: if they're gonnat, If he thinks they can win like

2676
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 2: eight to nine, then I think a veteran backup is

2677
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 2: more important. If he thinks it's gonna be still overbuilding,

2678
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 2: then I don't worry about it.

2679
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 6: Then Yeah, I'd say six to seven, and yeah, be

2680
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 6: okay right with with somebody just to put.

2681
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 3: A little competing more than four can I just so

2682
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 3: like some progress? It's all I'm looking for.

2683
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,839
Speaker 4: I just wonder even less about the backup quarterback position,

2684
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 4: Like would it help Drake to have a Brian Hoyer?

2685
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:35,240
Speaker 4: And I'm not I'm just throwing that out there because

2686
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 4: he's done it Joe right, Like would that help him

2687
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 4: with the whole thing?

2688
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 3: I would say, if you're not convinced that Joe Milton

2689
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 3: can be the backup, then I think you need to

2690
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 3: get one right.

2691
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 4: But I'm less worried about that then, like, does he

2692
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 4: need somebody that isn't Josh McDaniels that can he can

2693
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 4: maybe go to for for guidance and for advice and

2694
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 4: you know that sort of stuff. I think Brian Hoyer,

2695
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 4: you know, was has been big in that kind of

2696
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 4: capacity in the past for young quarterbacks and these but

2697
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 4: working with and I don't know if it's necessarily him necessarily,

2698
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 4: but someone like that who has no, no doubt in

2699
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 4: his mind that he is not pushing for any playing time, right,

2700
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 4: Like we're talking about a true clipboard holder type right, Yeah.

2701
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's gonna be it for this edition

2702
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:24,160
Speaker 2: of the show. Alex has to get working on the newsletter.

2703
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,440
Speaker 2: What else anything else I need to talk about before

2704
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 2: we sign off here?

2705
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:30,920
Speaker 5: Combine next week we'll.

2706
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 3: Be we didn't get your Saturday Night Live thoughts that

2707
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 3: we'll do that.

2708
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about that last show. I thought it

2709
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:38,320
Speaker 2: was a big disappointment.

2710
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember talking about it on the show, but

2711
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, you know that.

2712
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 2: I thought I thought we did. Yeah, No, there was

2713
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 2: a disappointment. All right. So when are you guys leaving

2714
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 2: for the Combine?

2715
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 4: Monday?

2716
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 2: Monday, Monday morning.

2717
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 6: Okay, So we'll be checking in with you guys on Okay, yeah,

2718
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 6: we'll be uh, we'll.

2719
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:57,760
Speaker 5: Chime in on Tuesdays.

2720
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 6: I think it'll get video in both Tuesday and Thursday

2721
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 6: for the PU shows and otherwise.

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Speaker 5: and everything.

2724
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,680
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2725
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