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Speaker 1: to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, director, a psycho killer,
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Speaker 1: third of July, five in the afternoon. Is that early evening.
Speaker 1: Call it what you like. It's a five. You're better
Speaker 1: be there. I'll be there with an amazing guest. We'll
Speaker 1: do a live show and then at the end we'll
Speaker 1: do a Q and A with the audience and you
Speaker 1: can tell me the films that meant the most of you.
Speaker 1: It will be cracking your two TV missions as always
Speaker 1: had to watch season one of ted Lasso on Apple
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Speaker 1: One will make you very happy, the other will make
Speaker 1: you question your partner. So Chris Addison, Chris Addison is
Speaker 1: a stand up He's a writer, He's an act say,
Speaker 1: he's a producer. He's a Hollywood director. He's had the
Speaker 1: most amazing career. He's made the thick of It, He's
Speaker 1: made Veep. He's directed Anne Hathaway in Hollywood movies. He's
Speaker 1: done all the things you could dream of doing, and
Speaker 1: he's done them all excellently. This recording was our first
Speaker 1: conversation ever, and I've got to say he was a
Speaker 1: fucking delight. I think you're gonna love this one. We
Speaker 1: recorded it over zoom and for once, both microphones were excellent.
Speaker 1: This is the best sounding podcast I've done in ages,
Speaker 1: so you'll enjoy that. That is it for now. I
Speaker 1: hope you are all well, and I very much hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy episode one hundred and forty eight of Films
Speaker 1: to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein, and I
Speaker 1: am joined today by an actor, a writer, a stand
Speaker 1: up comedian, a producer, a creator, a director, a hero,
Speaker 1: a legend, and a human being. Please welcome to this show,
Speaker 1: the incredible, the amazing. I can't believe it's here. Please
Speaker 1: own this show's Chris Addison. Thanks man. You know I
Speaker 1: also once worked in a sandwich shop. If you just
Speaker 1: want to update. I know, and I fucking kicking myself
Speaker 1: because I'd learned the list and I got to the end,
Speaker 1: I called your name sandwich shop. Yeah. Sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: These are the golden days? How are you, Chris Addison?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I'm all right. Actually, it's been
Speaker 1: a really weird bitness bit because we're recording this now
Speaker 1: at the beginning of May, so it's the point where
Speaker 1: there's sort of light at the end of the tunnel,
Speaker 1: and I found that bit to be weirdly harder. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you have responded, but I found it
Speaker 1: to be harder than the other lockdowns because I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I think it's that thing where you let
Speaker 1: yourself relac before you should relax, you know. But I've
Speaker 1: sort of come out the other side of that now
Speaker 1: and I'm just sort of feeling like it'll be what
Speaker 1: it will be. Yeah, yeah, but I'm all right, how
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? I was like, yeah, man, this is cool.
Speaker 1: This is cool. We're going back to normal. This is cool.
Speaker 1: And then I got on the tube the other day
Speaker 1: and like fifty percent of people weren't wearing masks, and
Speaker 1: I was so stressed. That's so stressed, And I thought, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite as relaxed as I thought I would.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when them two thousand and five, right
Speaker 1: when the bombs went off in London and people were
Speaker 1: very kind of like, I think I can go on
Speaker 1: the tube, and everybody went on the tube and within
Speaker 1: two days we were absolutely fine with it. But now
Speaker 1: now it's completely different because then you were going, then
Speaker 1: you were going, right, hang on, who might be trying
Speaker 1: to blow me up? And how can I approach this
Speaker 1: in a non racist way? And now you're just basically going,
Speaker 1: everyone's a fucker, like they're all like to kill me.
Speaker 1: It's much worse now for some reason, it's much more stressful,
Speaker 1: even though the danger is less dramatic. Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 1: That is you have been currently. I believe you're right.
Speaker 1: You're in the writing. You're writing season two of Breeders.
Speaker 1: Yeah three, season three. Season two of Breeders is that Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going out in the States at the moment on FX,
Speaker 1: and it's about to go out on Sky that later
Speaker 1: this month over here. Yeah, no, season three, so we
Speaker 1: just you have just another writer's meeting for that. It's
Speaker 1: all sort of underway. As the person who generally like, all,
Speaker 1: I didn't do it last season, normally, I've I've done them,
Speaker 1: I say, normally, How can you say something normal when
Speaker 1: you've done it once. It's but I was on the rag.
Speaker 1: I was saying that, like the second block of filming.
Speaker 1: I was directing, so for people who don't know. Quite often,
Speaker 1: with long series of stuff, you would divide those into
Speaker 1: into blocks because it's too much for one person to
Speaker 1: direct and get done in time to deliver it all
Speaker 1: for the channels and still on. So I would do
Speaker 1: the back end of the block, which is where all
Speaker 1: the time's been spent and the money's gone and the
Speaker 1: scripts aren't ready. And so it's sort of comforting to
Speaker 1: feel as we go into into our sort of third
Speaker 1: season rises the room, if we get picked up that, yeah,
Speaker 1: once again, it looks like the back end will be
Speaker 1: not as ready as the front end. But I like
Speaker 1: the back end. I like to pick up the back
Speaker 1: the back block, because that's where the juicy stuff happens,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's nice to work with a group
Speaker 1: of people who are simultaneously exhausted and in a mad panic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like that's that's what you train
Speaker 1: for as a stand up, you know, Like, I mean
Speaker 1: that's sort of what Edinburgh is, isn't it. If the
Speaker 1: Edinburgh Festival isn't is an annual really sas style training.
Speaker 1: In being so tired and with so much pressure on you,
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like, yeah, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: I've got the loss in the final blocks, the block. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the final block. So you and you and
Speaker 1: Martin free Him created the show, correct me, Martin Freeman
Speaker 1: and Simon Blackwell, who, Yeah, brilliant Simon Blackwell. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he runs it. He's the showrunner. He is the show runner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the sort of he's the mastermind because he's just
Speaker 1: the most astonishing writer, Simon. He's so insanely talented and
Speaker 1: he's got this very particular voice. This is so I
Speaker 1: love watching Back. I don't know if you've seen Back,
Speaker 1: you know, which is Simon's show. And because it's just
Speaker 1: like and I listened to David Mitchell's character and Uncle
Speaker 1: Jeff played by Jeff mc given, it's just like listening
Speaker 1: to Simon. Basically, I just can hear everything that he's talking.
Speaker 1: He's great. So he's he's our kind of he's our showrunner.
Speaker 1: Oh dear god, you Phrasen, what do you want to
Speaker 1: do as a when when we freeze? Do you want
Speaker 1: to kind of roll back? So that you can edit
Speaker 1: it for filming purposes or do you want to something
Speaker 1: This is the brain. This is the brain as someone
Speaker 1: he's done a lot of Edinburgh, How are we going
Speaker 1: to the brain of something else has done a lot
Speaker 1: of Edinburgh? Is basically self protection, I think, is what
Speaker 1: it gives you, don't you think like like you just
Speaker 1: learn over the years of doing Edinburgh how to do
Speaker 1: it in a less and less destructive way. As you
Speaker 1: get older on your body gets capable of taking less shires.
Speaker 1: I found every Edinburgh me me going insane happened slightly later.
Speaker 1: That's all. Now, that's interesting. When did it happen? When
Speaker 1: did it tend to happen to you? First solo shows?
Speaker 1: Before I did solo shows didn't happen. I loved it,
Speaker 1: loved it, loved it. Then as as soon as I
Speaker 1: started solo shows, I'd say three days in, I was
Speaker 1: insane on the first, second, one, a week in, third one,
Speaker 1: two weeks in, fourth one, three weeks. Here, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: I used to I used to sort of find that
Speaker 1: it was kind of it was the latter end, which
Speaker 1: I think is to do with just the amount of
Speaker 1: time that you're there and the sort of just what
Speaker 1: your body and brain can cope with. I remember often
Speaker 1: giving the piece of advice to people who are going
Speaker 1: up to anyone for the first time, saying, you will
Speaker 1: go loopy, and you just have to accept that that's
Speaker 1: going to happen, so that when it happens, you know,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this was always going to happen,
Speaker 1: and you can find someone to talk you out of
Speaker 1: your tree. But if you know it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: it's sort of better than if you if you think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is it. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: made for this. Everybody gets it. It's all so mad
Speaker 1: and no one cares. And I remember I think one
Speaker 1: one time that I was I remember being in the
Speaker 1: in the Brooks Bar when the London riots were happening.
Speaker 1: There was there was a TV on somewhere and it
Speaker 1: was showing like literally London is on fire, and I
Speaker 1: remember looking at it and then someone going, I got
Speaker 1: a really bad review in sure till today, I don't
Speaker 1: think this matters. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, it's such
Speaker 1: an incredible bubble, but there's that panic, isn't it. There's
Speaker 1: that sense that, oh God, if I don't go that's it.
Speaker 1: All momentum is loss. I'll forget about who I am.
Speaker 1: And I always think of there was a year that
Speaker 1: I didn't go two thousand and three. It was I
Speaker 1: didn't go to my God, that was eighteen years ago.
Speaker 1: My agent was going, you've got to go. Question, You've
Speaker 1: got to go. It's really importantly you go. If you
Speaker 1: don't go, people go forget about you. All this effort
Speaker 1: you've put in over the last five years will be lost.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I should go. And I didn't go. And
Speaker 1: I remember I went to I was at Lord's Cricket
Speaker 1: Ground watching England play South Africa, watching NASA Hussein's final
Speaker 1: test matches Captain and I had a copy of The
Speaker 1: Observer and it was a beautiful sunny day and I
Speaker 1: was there with my wife or about to be wife
Speaker 1: at that point, and we were having a brilliant time.
Speaker 1: And I read the Reviewsmadim and I read a review
Speaker 1: for my friend John Oliver and it said the review
Speaker 1: said reminds me in some ways of Chris Addison's show.
Speaker 1: And I thought, see, I didn't need to go, like
Speaker 1: I didn't need to go, right, Yeah, it was so perfect.
Speaker 1: I just did. And then the next year. When I
Speaker 1: went and I did go back in two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: people go, yeah, that show you did last year, meaning
Speaker 1: the one two years. They don't care. You can take
Speaker 1: the time off, It's fine. It's a scam. It's a scam.
Speaker 1: Oh the money, I mean the money. You can make
Speaker 1: it anywhere. There are people I can remember friends of
Speaker 1: mine like having such bad years in Edinburgh that by
Speaker 1: the time the next Edinburgh came around, they haven't paid
Speaker 1: off the previous one. Yeah, if you stopped stand up,
Speaker 1: do you do you still do stand up? With you?
Speaker 1: I certainly haven't decided that I've stopped stand up, right,
Speaker 1: I've just not done it for quite a while now
Speaker 1: because other things have sort of gotten away. For quite
Speaker 1: some time. I used to think the next thing I
Speaker 1: do will be all right, show or whatever. And it's
Speaker 1: only in the last three years or so that I've
Speaker 1: come to accept that that's probably not going to be
Speaker 1: the next thing that I do at any given moment.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like it's something that I want
Speaker 1: to go back to do at some point. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I did Andy Sultzman's podcast The Bugle
Speaker 1: for the first time, and it's the first time for me,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, eight years or something that I've
Speaker 1: written something that was for me to deliver and I
Speaker 1: loved it. It was I was probably in my element
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of on the sort of rare
Speaker 1: occasions that I ever get on stage to do anything.
Speaker 1: How you just sort of suddenly go, oh, this is
Speaker 1: what this, this feels right, this is home. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to be. No so um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know when it will be, but I fully intended
Speaker 1: to do it again. Well, I'm glad to hear it. Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: you're right. What's happened, Chris, I've forgotten to tell you something.
Speaker 1: What's happened? No, no, no, no, what an idiot? It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound good. I should have probably said it in
Speaker 1: the initial email. Yeah, or at least when we connected
Speaker 1: on the zoom. I'll just say it you. Oh God,
Speaker 1: you've died. You're dead? Oh shit? Oh that's oh. I
Speaker 1: have no idea where any of the paperwork is for
Speaker 1: stuff is not my problem with it. It's not your point.
Speaker 1: You can. I feel bad for the for the cleanup
Speaker 1: that's gonna have to happen. But how did you die? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose if I had my way as
Speaker 1: to how I would die, I would die like most
Speaker 1: people who aren't vikings. I would want to die, you know,
Speaker 1: comfortably warm, surrounded by people I love gently, and you know,
Speaker 1: with with a sense of contentment. However, I suspect that
Speaker 1: the truth is that I will die and in a
Speaker 1: pickle based explosion that would be my It seems inevitable,
Speaker 1: to be fair. I eat an awful lot of pickled food,
Speaker 1: like a huge amount of pickles and chilies and pickle
Speaker 1: chilies as often as not. And I do feel on
Speaker 1: many afternoons that the way I'm going to go is
Speaker 1: some sort of over indulgence, vinegar based over indulgence. That's
Speaker 1: what will kill me. You will explode from the inside out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will from the inside out. I will be killed
Speaker 1: by a combination of chilies, some of which and pickles,
Speaker 1: some of which I have made myself. You know, It's
Speaker 1: a lovely way to go. The more disturbing part of
Speaker 1: the set up to this was the death that you
Speaker 1: wished for, which was surrounded by people that you love gently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not people that you love hard. So you don't want
Speaker 1: your favorites. You want the people. Yeah, you don't want
Speaker 1: to upset your favorites, do you. You want people you
Speaker 1: sort of who are comforting to you, right, but you
Speaker 1: know it would be upsetting to look into the face
Speaker 1: of your your nearest and dearest as you as you die,
Speaker 1: and you know that you are leaving them with a
Speaker 1: hole in their lives. Yeah, that's so thoughtful. Yes, like
Speaker 1: Simon Blackwall would be there. I'm getting Simon would be there. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'd be there. I guess a couple of a couple
Speaker 1: of pets that I've had over the years would probably
Speaker 1: be there. The gentle lovers, any lovers you had. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't want any ex partners that, I don't think, would you.
Speaker 1: That would be a hell of a way to go,
Speaker 1: just surrounded by your ex Fine, well, let me see
Speaker 1: when your wife's not going to be there? Well, no shit,
Speaker 1: I love her too much. Doesn't make the cut, does she?
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't actually have the people who are most
Speaker 1: important to me in my life around me at the time.
Speaker 1: They would be I don't know where they'd be. They're
Speaker 1: probably you just in the next room, just getting why
Speaker 1: can't we come in? He's been very specific. He loves
Speaker 1: you too hard. Yeah, it's too much for me that
Speaker 1: you're in the overflow watching on a TV. What he
Speaker 1: has asked is if you could start working on the paperwork, well,
Speaker 1: that would be great. In fact, they're going to be
Speaker 1: there'll be there'll be a big screen in Trafalgar Square
Speaker 1: and they the overflow, so they'll go there with many
Speaker 1: of the other people from the nation. That seems fair.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about death massively all the time? Increasingly?
Speaker 1: And I say increasingly, and that started from a baseline
Speaker 1: of quite a lot. Yeah, I think about death all
Speaker 1: the time and it's not healthy. It's like you're thinking
Speaker 1: about aging all the time. It's really really unhealthy to
Speaker 1: think to think about it. Having dinner with my best
Speaker 1: mate well before the pandemic, obviously, and he was going,
Speaker 1: this is we're just getting too old, Chris, we're getting
Speaker 1: told and that's OK. But like this is as young
Speaker 1: as we'll ever be again, right right now, it's as
Speaker 1: young as we'll ever be again. So you have to
Speaker 1: approach it from that point of view. But it is
Speaker 1: really hard to tell yourself that stuff. You can just
Speaker 1: sort of intellectualize it, but on a visceral level, the
Speaker 1: fear of dying, kind of getting old. And that's hard,
Speaker 1: isn't it. That's hard. I'm properly kind of at the
Speaker 1: point in my life where I'm right for a midlife
Speaker 1: crisis about now. So have you got any particular plans
Speaker 1: for it? I think I might be already like I'm
Speaker 1: such a boringly wholesome person. My friend Rebecca described me
Speaker 1: as that she's the other most wholesome person I've mat
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you know, you know, within me,
Speaker 1: I've got the same dark thoughts as every as everybody else,
Speaker 1: just possibly not brave enough to act on them. So
Speaker 1: I would probably I'll just I'll take something up, I'll
Speaker 1: stop learning something I'm probably already doing. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: learn German. I expect it. You know that's like a
Speaker 1: function of the midlife crisis, isn't it, Like in a
Speaker 1: really mild way. That's so funny. I mean that is
Speaker 1: so I don't even know you, and I know that
Speaker 1: you learning German is the exact right answer to what
Speaker 1: would Chris Addison's below crisis look like. There you go, listen.
Speaker 1: It's good to stay consistent with your brand, And totally
Speaker 1: I didn't lie about any of the things about myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't make up this kind of milk toast persona.
Speaker 1: I think this is what people enjoy. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to put all of my bravery and raw sexuality in
Speaker 1: a box over there and be this kind of willowy
Speaker 1: foot for business purposes. That didn't happen. Breat all from me.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Tell me this, what do you think happens
Speaker 1: when you die? Do you think there's an afterlife of
Speaker 1: some I do not think this enough to life of
Speaker 1: some kind. I'm very sorry to have to report, but
Speaker 1: I did, for a very long time imagine that there
Speaker 1: was such a thing. And it came quite late to
Speaker 1: the notion that do you know what, there really isn't
Speaker 1: anything else other than other than what we've got. Was
Speaker 1: there a thing that happened that made that decision for you?
Speaker 1: It was a very long joy. So I brought myself
Speaker 1: up religious sort of. That sounds like an odd thing
Speaker 1: to say, but I chose to go to church and
Speaker 1: and do things like that. And that was largely attached
Speaker 1: to friends of mine who we go, who were going
Speaker 1: from school, who were going and also music. I was
Speaker 1: always like I sang a lot when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and that was a place you could do, and I
Speaker 1: just sort of it like your You know, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a series of fantastic detective novels set in like
Speaker 1: fifteenth century Spain, The Captain Our Treestain Novels, and in
Speaker 1: it the narrator says this that the only thing I
Speaker 1: ever remember about this line a man's drew home is
Speaker 1: his childhood, right. And I think of it all the
Speaker 1: time because I sort of didn't lose religion for a
Speaker 1: long time, because it was comforting to me as an
Speaker 1: item of nostalgia as much as anything else. You know.
Speaker 1: The things that I did that were important to me
Speaker 1: as a kid, some of them not by any means
Speaker 1: all of them, but some of them had had religion
Speaker 1: at the heart of them. And so I sort of,
Speaker 1: as I got older and it became more and more
Speaker 1: obvious to me slowly that there was nothing in it,
Speaker 1: I kind of I just held onto it as long
Speaker 1: as I possibly could. I was sort of intellectually an
Speaker 1: atheist long before I admitted to myself, and that's what
Speaker 1: I was. And then I was in my mid thirties,
Speaker 1: I was I was right at the end of that process.
Speaker 1: And I remember listening to it's fantastic American comedian called
Speaker 1: Julia Sweeney, who did these terrific one woman shows, including
Speaker 1: one called Letting Go of God. And I listened to
Speaker 1: Letting Go of God and at the end and she
Speaker 1: describes her journey from died in the world Catholic to
Speaker 1: complete atheist, and it's a really interesting journey where she's
Speaker 1: trying to reconcile her spirituality and find some sort of
Speaker 1: meaning and all of those kinds of things. And at
Speaker 1: the end of it, she she sort of she tried everything,
Speaker 1: and she goes, Okay, well, let's just imagine, imagine for
Speaker 1: a second. Just there's there's some spectacles you can put on,
Speaker 1: and that way you see the world, and through that
Speaker 1: there's no God, right, that's the version of the world
Speaker 1: that you look at. Was So it's just a thought experiment,
Speaker 1: she said. And I put the spectacles on, and I
Speaker 1: remember thinking to myself, oh my god, there is no good.
Speaker 1: And I can remember where I was when I was
Speaker 1: listening to that. I was walking down Saint Martin's Lane
Speaker 1: next to that old it's not there anymore, but that
Speaker 1: film memorabilia shop there used to be on Saint Martin's
Speaker 1: they you know, And I was exactly there when I
Speaker 1: heard her say those words, and I did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing in that moment, And that was the moment
Speaker 1: where I went And it was really strange for the
Speaker 1: following that was it was peculiar, It felt very raw.
Speaker 1: Was it that you were grieving? Well, one of the
Speaker 1: things she says, it's really interesting, she says, when you
Speaker 1: decide there's no God and there's no Heaven and there's
Speaker 1: no hell, it means that all those people that you
Speaker 1: said goodbye to you have to say goodbye to again
Speaker 1: because all the people that you said that they've gone
Speaker 1: on to a better place. I'll see them again. You
Speaker 1: accept at that point, I know that's not going to happen,
Speaker 1: like they're gone. And I'm a very fortunate person and
Speaker 1: I haven't thus far in my life been you know,
Speaker 1: struck with a great deal of personal tragedy or anything.
Speaker 1: But you know, she she certainly had, and you know,
Speaker 1: her brother had died. She felt like she had to
Speaker 1: let go of him again and I sort of so
Speaker 1: there is a grieving aspect to it, but it's also like,
Speaker 1: what do you do if this is if you always
Speaker 1: at some on some level thought, there's there's something beyond this.
Speaker 1: It's fine, this is just a bridge to the to
Speaker 1: the better world or whatever. What do you do when
Speaker 1: you decide, oh, no, this is this? Is it? Every
Speaker 1: decision that you make has to be sort of made
Speaker 1: on a slightly different basis. This is very heavy, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it gets to heaven. This is exactly
Speaker 1: the good This is the good ship. Okay, what is
Speaker 1: your answer to that? I think and there's nothing terribly
Speaker 1: profound that I can say about it, not least because
Speaker 1: I'm not a thoughtful enough person to be that profound.
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's just you've just got to
Speaker 1: you've just got to be as good a person as
Speaker 1: you possibly can, and you've and you've got to you've
Speaker 1: got to accept that you get one one goal at
Speaker 1: this and you're not doing it for somebody else or
Speaker 1: for some other purpose. You're doing it for you. And
Speaker 1: that could be by the way you want to live
Speaker 1: your life is for the sake of others or whatever.
Speaker 1: But there isn't a set of rules that's going to
Speaker 1: get you into a better place. And you should you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that you should be dealing with right now
Speaker 1: on that basis, that should be informing your decisions about
Speaker 1: what you do and how you behave to other people.
Speaker 1: Chris Addison, I find that fascinating. I found that very moving.
Speaker 1: I find that really interesting. But I got news for
Speaker 1: your kid that you are rung. I'm wrong. You be
Speaker 1: honest with heaven. Yeah, that's a massive relief. Yeah, ute
Speaker 1: relief because that whole bit is real down there, and
Speaker 1: this gift is every year. It was such a downer because,
Speaker 1: like if you just turn this on because you just
Speaker 1: want to hear some chitch out about some movies you
Speaker 1: might like, and some fucker is telling you there's nothing
Speaker 1: else that is not his land. He's lying. He's lying. Guys,
Speaker 1: don't worry. I got this such a relief. There's a
Speaker 1: heaven man, and it's great. And they've got the you
Speaker 1: know where that film memory bili a shop used to
Speaker 1: like is there, Helen. They got screening rooms, they've got
Speaker 1: all your favorite things. What's your other favorite things? Pickles? Pickles? Everyone,
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna kill you. It's nons and everyone is
Speaker 1: delighted to see you. They're very forgiving as well that
Speaker 1: you thought they weren't there there. They think it's fun.
Speaker 1: They're like, that's delightful. Come on, and you're like, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: And they won't know about your life, but they won't
Speaker 1: know about your life through film, okay. And the first
Speaker 1: thing they want to ask you is, what is the
Speaker 1: first film you remember seeing? Chris Hadison, the first film
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Brick Goldstein is well, the first film
Speaker 1: I remember seeing seeing on the TV. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what that was. I could tell you what the
Speaker 1: experience of it was. I remember beat visiting somebody's house
Speaker 1: and I was with them in the same room as
Speaker 1: their gran they granted a little room, and she was
Speaker 1: watching something on the telly. It was a Western, I think,
Speaker 1: And I can remember as a tiny child it was
Speaker 1: on ITV this thing and so that, just constantly having
Speaker 1: commercial breaks, and I could remember thinking as a kid,
Speaker 1: when is this going to end? So long? Why is
Speaker 1: this TV show so long? And Barie, oh my god,
Speaker 1: why would anybody make anything this long? As a kid
Speaker 1: is used to like five minute episodes of The Wombles
Speaker 1: or whatever. At this point it seemed impossibly indulgent. That
Speaker 1: paper went this is pretentious. The fuck is this just shooting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's the first experience of what film I remember.
Speaker 1: The first film I remember seeing in the cinema. I
Speaker 1: saw back in the days when them Disney used to
Speaker 1: re release their films on a fairly regular basis, So
Speaker 1: this probably would have been in the must have been
Speaker 1: in the seventies. But Cinderella. I saw Disney Cinderella my
Speaker 1: grant with I did not. I grew up in Manchester,
Speaker 1: but my but my grand Omar as I called her,
Speaker 1: she lived in them. She lived in Stevenage, in a
Speaker 1: little block of flats there. So yeah, so we went
Speaker 1: to see. Me and my brother and sister and her
Speaker 1: went to see Cinderella. Where are you and your brother
Speaker 1: and sister? I am the oldest, and then my sister,
Speaker 1: then my brother, but we're all within I'm two and
Speaker 1: a half years older than my brother, so that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my mum was busy. Man. It's only when I became
Speaker 1: a parent that I went Jesus God, I mean that
Speaker 1: must have been brutal. Three number three boy, that's insane.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. I'm surprised I wasn't in the cinema
Speaker 1: all the time. Just go in there, just go in
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half. The other two take
Speaker 1: the did you love it? Did you love the cinema?
Speaker 1: Did you love Cindemarella? Do you remember? I remember? I
Speaker 1: mean I really loved the cinema when I was when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. It's just it was such an event.
Speaker 1: It was so extraordinary just to just to go, even
Speaker 1: to watch adverts on the big screen. Was I remember
Speaker 1: really loving the Westler's hot Dog adverts because it just
Speaker 1: seemed like it seemed so exotic because it was big.
Speaker 1: It was big. It was all bigger than there and
Speaker 1: in front of you. And I used to go to
Speaker 1: it used to be a little cinema called Unit four
Speaker 1: in Walkton, near where I grew up. And you know
Speaker 1: what I realized now were like like shoe box cinemas,
Speaker 1: you know, those tiny tiny things where I went and
Speaker 1: saw like Convoy and Hooper and all of those sorts
Speaker 1: of movies. Yeah, yeah, I saw Hooper. I'm Convoy in
Speaker 1: a double bill my friend Chris's birthday. I used to
Speaker 1: love that. It was great. Away was wanting to be
Speaker 1: a stunt man, did you Yeah? Until still my dream job?
Speaker 1: Until nothing. I still want to be. It's just it's
Speaker 1: a real closed door. Those guys have it also, so
Speaker 1: who you know, Yeah, what's the film that scared you
Speaker 1: the most? Do you like being scared? Do you know what?
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate being scared. Hate it. I cannot bear horror.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the point of it. I don't want
Speaker 1: it to exist. I wish you would go away. I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's a good I remember going to
Speaker 1: see get Out, which is a brilliant movie. It's a
Speaker 1: brilliant movie with my friend Tess Morris, and we went,
Speaker 1: we were it was very lovely. We went to my
Speaker 1: favorite screen in the world, which sounds it sounds very pretentious,
Speaker 1: but fuck it. There's a there's a cinema in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles called the Cinerama Dome, which they announced two weeks
Speaker 1: ago is closing down because it's not going to reopen
Speaker 1: after the pandemic, to my great regret. But anyway, we
Speaker 1: went and saw get Out there and I just just
Speaker 1: as we walked here, I was thinking, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: Why am I Here's fucking stupid. I'm going to soil
Speaker 1: myself in public and it's going to be awful. Just
Speaker 1: clinging onto Tessa's going The fuck is wrong with you.
Speaker 1: I'm terrible, terrible, terrible, So I avoid scary movies by
Speaker 1: and large. I think the film that made me most tense,
Speaker 1: which is probably as close as I get too scared
Speaker 1: in things really is probably it's Gravity. That's the most
Speaker 1: tense I've ever been watching a movie, because because I mean,
Speaker 1: I know everybody says uncut gems. I've still not seen
Speaker 1: uncoot gems. I know it's supposed to be just just
Speaker 1: you know, if you held if you held coal in
Speaker 1: your hands whilst watching it, you'd end up with diamonds
Speaker 1: at the end of it. Like it is that, but gravity,
Speaker 1: I can My wife and I went to sit. We
Speaker 1: were like, it was really indulgent. We did it at
Speaker 1: like ten o'clock in the morning. Is nobody else in
Speaker 1: the cinema. It's a big cinema, three D screening and stuff,
Speaker 1: And that's a great film to watching three D because
Speaker 1: of everything just coming at you. Oh my god, until
Speaker 1: she puts her foot on the on the floor at
Speaker 1: the end, you just I just terrified all the way
Speaker 1: through it. It's great. I don't mind that, but but horror,
Speaker 1: scary stuff that can revisit you on your dreams. Fuck
Speaker 1: that shit. Well, you live in a godless word. It
Speaker 1: is scary. You don't need anymore. Amen, Brother, I go out,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I can't. I really try with those
Speaker 1: sorts of things to go. Okay, well, let's let's watch
Speaker 1: this from a filmmaking perspective. So have they've done this?
Speaker 1: What shots are you using? Up? And I absolutely I
Speaker 1: can keep that up for seventeen seconds? And then after
Speaker 1: that are they doing that? Yeah? Right? Not to me?
Speaker 1: What about crying? What's the film made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: And do you cry? It's just a real shooting fish
Speaker 1: in a barrel job? Though, to be on this with
Speaker 1: you because I cry all all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: I cried all the time before I had kids, and
Speaker 1: once you've got kids, it's just it's like non it's NonStop.
Speaker 1: Do you have to put oh yeah, it just put
Speaker 1: the right music under something, and you've got me. So
Speaker 1: I had to think quite carefully about what this was.
Speaker 1: What I give like an honorable mention Tom, It's a
Speaker 1: Wonderful Life, which is such a sort of weepy movie.
Speaker 1: It's were happy weepy. I think I remember going to
Speaker 1: see it with a friend of mine at the Cursin
Speaker 1: in Soho, which is one of my favorite cinemas in
Speaker 1: the world. This is a lovely place and they've they've
Speaker 1: sort of reissued a print about I don't know, fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago or something like that, and we went and
Speaker 1: we went and watched it one want Tomber and remember
Speaker 1: get the loud straight outside the screen afterwards, and it
Speaker 1: was full of men going and just really holding everything
Speaker 1: back into the ARCon that you knew that they just
Speaker 1: belted out away I'll be I'll be right with you, dear,
Speaker 1: just not join themselves with their girlfriends and their wife
Speaker 1: and their daughters before coming back and their friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a wonderful life. Always gets me. But I
Speaker 1: think the one I really fell apart was about in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. I think I went to Australia
Speaker 1: to do the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, God's Own Comedy Festival,
Speaker 1: good Lord Water Place, and we did that. I did
Speaker 1: the road show, which which happens after the festival you
Speaker 1: tour around a gang shown around Australia, and I was
Speaker 1: with Adam Hills and Carl Wilson, and I remember Carl
Speaker 1: being a good keywi insisting that we go and Mutch
Speaker 1: Well rider and oh man, I nearly died. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, it's like a corn flake
Speaker 1: at the end, dehydrated, there's no liquid left. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would do that again. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was late, we were drunk. It was
Speaker 1: very emotional cry together. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Adam Hill's very sensitive, lovely dude. Cal you
Speaker 1: know it was right in her wheelhouse. Yeah. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were a wreck, pathetic wreck. Well. I quite like that
Speaker 1: though given given us, there are some aspects of you know,
Speaker 1: there are some comedians who are a bit kind of
Speaker 1: who would not be who would not be there for
Speaker 1: that at all? But we're definitely the softer end. What
Speaker 1: is the film that people don't generally like. It's not
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally. I had to
Speaker 1: think quite hard about this. I really like still like
Speaker 1: so I married an axe murderer. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great film. There are things that come back
Speaker 1: to me if I think often of woman whoaman? Whoa man?
Speaker 1: I think of that all the time, and I think
Speaker 1: of He'd all the time. Those two things just stay
Speaker 1: with there, and I know it's sort of flawed. I
Speaker 1: think this was in my head because this this weekend
Speaker 1: I showed my kids Austin Powers for the Yeah yeah
Speaker 1: you do it just made you God, this is you
Speaker 1: can make this now. It wouldn't make this now. But
Speaker 1: did they like it? Yeah? They did, They did like it.
Speaker 1: I sort of felt like I wonder if they got
Speaker 1: enough of the sort of cultural spoofing that was that
Speaker 1: was going on. But but you know, there were there
Speaker 1: were lots of things that they did really like about it.
Speaker 1: My kids sort of they sort of sit there and
Speaker 1: they talk back at the jokes often, why would you
Speaker 1: do that? They go like they're laughing, but they go,
Speaker 1: why has he done that now? Then? Because that's how
Speaker 1: this stuff worked. It's really well they're older than than
Speaker 1: that makes them, that makes them sound where they are,
Speaker 1: but they're both film directors in their forties. But but
Speaker 1: they really like they sort of I don't know whether
Speaker 1: it's me picking jokes apart that has made them do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether like I have infected them somehow
Speaker 1: with my kind of you know, the you know, the
Speaker 1: boring way that you can be about comedy when you're
Speaker 1: in comedy. I hope it's not. I hope I'm ruined
Speaker 1: it for them. But anyway, I wonder whether that's why
Speaker 1: so I married an X members. In my head, I
Speaker 1: also thought maybe corn Air, which well, it's a great film.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's ridiculous. It's an entirely
Speaker 1: ridiculous film, and it's got all of the it's got
Speaker 1: all of the things that make a film like The
Speaker 1: Rock great and just doesn't do them as well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it just doesn't quite do them as well.
Speaker 1: And there are things that you sort of feel like,
Speaker 1: like that thing where is giant rabbit that he wants
Speaker 1: to wants to take him Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that,
Speaker 1: and you know like it just feels like something out
Speaker 1: of a film writing manual that give him the thing
Speaker 1: he's got he's got to be he's got to focus
Speaker 1: on some little thing, got to get him a thing
Speaker 1: to focus on, and it's this ridiculous and it sort
Speaker 1: of feels like it sort of feels like they watched
Speaker 1: a lot of die Hard and then they watched you know,
Speaker 1: but it is. It's got Markovitch at his absolute campus,
Speaker 1: which is always great fun. I can watch John Cusack
Speaker 1: do pretty much anything you've got You've got Cusack vibes.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting there is. That's not the first
Speaker 1: time that's been said, and in fact, there was a
Speaker 1: there's a scene in The Sure Thing. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I haven't got the Short Thing on this list somewhere,
Speaker 1: which is an amazing John Qusack's first movie, produced by
Speaker 1: Roger Burnbaum, who I worked with it and as an
Speaker 1: extraordinary man. And anyway, but there's a scene where they
Speaker 1: are they're trying to get into a caravan and his
Speaker 1: rain is just straight and he turns round to snarl
Speaker 1: something at Allison and he looked and there was I
Speaker 1: remember watching it about twenty years ago and fucky hell,
Speaker 1: because he looked exactly like me. It was It's like
Speaker 1: I was genuinely shocked in that moment. He a young
Speaker 1: Cusack very much looked like a young man. We've got
Speaker 1: all of separate ways since then. I've had quite a
Speaker 1: lot of work. But otherwise I'm sure I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you some next weed because I love that. I
Speaker 1: really really loved that film. Yeah, it's got a very
Speaker 1: funny one I've seen with Michael Richards in it. It's
Speaker 1: a really good, really funny game that is played stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the film on the other hand that you
Speaker 1: used to love but you've watched recently and you've gone,
Speaker 1: I don't like this anymore for whatever reason that may be. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can give you a sort of a mini category
Speaker 1: really and then I'll give you the biggest example. But
Speaker 1: I think it's basically late period Roger Moore James Bond,
Speaker 1: like I loved it. So the first Bond I ever
Speaker 1: saw was The Spy. No, no, it wasn't Spy Loved Me.
Speaker 1: It was Feras Only, which I saw the unit for
Speaker 1: in walk and another friend's birthday and hearing another shoe box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I absolutely loved it, loved loved, loved it, and
Speaker 1: it sort of started a proper kind of lifelong love
Speaker 1: of James Bond, which is not an unusual thing. Many
Speaker 1: people love James Bond. It's a big cultural phenomenon, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And so you know, Roger Moore was my first James
Speaker 1: Bond and I would watch on bank holidays. After that,
Speaker 1: I remember sort of mainly watching his stuff that was on.
Speaker 1: It was it was The Spy who Loved Me, and
Speaker 1: it was Moon Raker and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: But the truth is that you can sort of go, oh,
Speaker 1: they're they're good, though they're tremendous, sort of high camp.
Speaker 1: You have to think of them as different to Sean
Speaker 1: Connery and different to Daniel Craigan. Yeah, that's true to
Speaker 1: a point. And then there's e g. Octopussy, which is
Speaker 1: just dogshit. I mean, you know, like it's badly made.
Speaker 1: As much as it's massively offensive on so many levels,
Speaker 1: it is incredibly badly made. I remember years ago, my
Speaker 1: friend Will you know Will Smith? You know, not Will Smith,
Speaker 1: but you know you know Will lovely Will Smith, brilliant
Speaker 1: comedy writer, former stand up years ago did a document.
Speaker 1: I just wrote a document trying to unpick Octopusy, and
Speaker 1: it's one of the funniest things that I've ever read.
Speaker 1: Every few years ago, Well, have you still got like
Speaker 1: easter re Send me that thing because it because I
Speaker 1: defy anybody to sit and make sense of the plot.
Speaker 1: It has absolutely no through line whatsoever. And it's also
Speaker 1: just just from a filmmaking perspective, unbelievably but you just said,
Speaker 1: where was the director during this? It is so shit
Speaker 1: as well as being wildly racist and just it's the
Speaker 1: it's the kind of peak of that when James Bond
Speaker 1: went a bit ross myers ishs of its sexism. That's
Speaker 1: like octopasly the absolute anything of that. So I think
Speaker 1: that's the one that I would use. But that's very
Speaker 1: much a part that tells a whole. Really, I still
Speaker 1: love lots of James Bond, but that is terrible. I
Speaker 1: think that's a very good answer. What is the film
Speaker 1: that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film
Speaker 1: itself is any good, but the experience you had around
Speaker 1: seeing the film will always make it important to you. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose between two here. One would be
Speaker 1: Yellow Submarine because when I was a kid, it blew
Speaker 1: my tiny mind that I could not believe, like it
Speaker 1: was so exciting as the Beatles, and it's so colorful
Speaker 1: and it's really appealing, and I loved the little fluffy
Speaker 1: nowhere man Jeremy, and I even loved the Blue Meanies
Speaker 1: like it was so and I found it sort of
Speaker 1: terrifying as a little kid. And I can remember getting
Speaker 1: the video for it a few years later when I
Speaker 1: would have been in my teens, I suppose, and watching
Speaker 1: it every day one Easter Holidays, watching like every single day.
Speaker 1: I loved it. Many years later I introduced it to
Speaker 1: my own children, who sort of loved it equally. I
Speaker 1: like it for being a film that I loved so
Speaker 1: much as a child that my own I was able
Speaker 1: to introduce to my own children and for them to
Speaker 1: love like I love it that it's a it's a
Speaker 1: through line the other one that I would choose for
Speaker 1: a similar reason, and I think you might appreciate even more.
Speaker 1: Something tells me is a Muppet Christmas Carol, which I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, it is an astonishing movie. I'm up at
Speaker 1: Christmas Carol like on every level, it's it's incredibly well done.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine, who is a big Dickens fan,
Speaker 1: says it's the most faithful adaptation of a Christmas Carol,
Speaker 1: and yet it's completely a Muppet movie. At the same time,
Speaker 1: it's the best Muppet movie, and that's quite as quite
Speaker 1: a high bar. There's a lot of great the original
Speaker 1: Muppet movie, and James Bobin's amazing the Muppets, and so
Speaker 1: there's a lot there that's great, But a Muppet Christmas
Speaker 1: Carol is like it's now our family tradition. I remember
Speaker 1: going to see it when it came out in the cinema.
Speaker 1: I was at college at the time, university, and remember
Speaker 1: seeing that with friends then where you didn't see them
Speaker 1: up as much in those days, like they weren't around everywhere,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't YouTube to see everything on, and they
Speaker 1: weren't on the TV anymore, and they were a big
Speaker 1: part of my childhood. And then suddenly this phenomenal movie
Speaker 1: came out and now it's a massive part of my
Speaker 1: own family life. So each year, like that's the official
Speaker 1: start of Christmas for us, is we put the Muppet
Speaker 1: movie on. And then a few years ago my kids
Speaker 1: their school, their school choir for their their Christmas show,
Speaker 1: they did songs from from that movie. They did a
Speaker 1: Christmas caron and they did songs from that movie in
Speaker 1: various other ones song. So it's kind of woven into
Speaker 1: the fabric of my family life. So I think of
Speaker 1: the two, I would probably end up choosing Muppet Christmas Carol.
Speaker 1: I'm only holding myself back with people who'd listened to
Speaker 1: this podcast to have heard me talk about now because
Speaker 1: so much really is true. No no, no, I love
Speaker 1: what you said. I mean, I'll say it again I
Speaker 1: genuinely stand by top three greatest films of all time.
Speaker 1: It is one of them. In every it's aside from
Speaker 1: everything that is wonderful and perfect about it, it's a
Speaker 1: fucking amazing piece of filmmaking. It's from that very from
Speaker 1: the opening shot, that extraordinary opening shot over over London.
Speaker 1: They pull that off so well that you don't you know,
Speaker 1: you sort of you do see as you come, as
Speaker 1: you come down that it's a change. But to have
Speaker 1: a model, which is what it was, then a model
Speaker 1: that big for it to go for so long over
Speaker 1: those rules and then and then come down, it's magnificent.
Speaker 1: The trick of having I know, I love that what
Speaker 1: the mupp is. I'm sure you've talked about this, but
Speaker 1: I love that one of the one of the things
Speaker 1: that Jim Henson. Of course Jim Henson wasn't involved in
Speaker 1: in that film by that point, but one of the
Speaker 1: things that that the Henson organization love to do is
Speaker 1: in a and find a new exciting way, so that
Speaker 1: in the original Muppet movie I think it was the
Speaker 1: original one, wasn't it, where they where they're on the bikes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one. And that's kind of how have they done that?
Speaker 1: Even the opening of the first Muppet movie where he's
Speaker 1: in the swamp singing rainbow connection, It's like, how have
Speaker 1: you done that with puppets? And with them? With Muppy
Speaker 1: Christmas Carol, there's that wonderful, very simple but brilliantly effective
Speaker 1: rolling road barrel where where Kermit and Kermit and Tiny
Speaker 1: Tamer coming home singing and it's yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: superb piece of filmmaking. And now let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: what are your views on the revisionism towards Muppet Christmas
Speaker 1: Carol where bias an entire song has been cut out
Speaker 1: of it? Oh? Yeah, I think the song should be there,
Speaker 1: you do, And I think it's and I believe it
Speaker 1: is going to be put back in class. I believe
Speaker 1: that they've There was a whole issue with them having
Speaker 1: lost the original, but now they found it and it's
Speaker 1: going to go back in. And I read a whole
Speaker 1: piece about how none of them wanted to cut it.
Speaker 1: It was an executive who was like, it's too depressing,
Speaker 1: it's too depressing, and they fought and fought and fought,
Speaker 1: and basically I think the exact eventually said, look, I've
Speaker 1: let you do everything you want to do, just cut
Speaker 1: that song, and so they cut it, but it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been cut. I mean, the crazy part is it
Speaker 1: was ins It was on the VHS, but not the
Speaker 1: British cut. I remember seeing it. It's like, it's not
Speaker 1: a song I enjoy massively. I do think it's important
Speaker 1: that it's there because it makes total sense of the
Speaker 1: end of the movie when they start singing love the
Speaker 1: love you found that, you like, you need that, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a reprise. You can't have a reprise when
Speaker 1: you didn't have a prise, so you know, so you
Speaker 1: have to put it in. But it sort of reminds
Speaker 1: me of there's a similar song in Chitty Chitty Bang
Speaker 1: Bang truly scrumptuous sings lovely Lonely Man and it is
Speaker 1: ghastly like it's just you God, damn it. You just
Speaker 1: think it's good that we live in a world where
Speaker 1: we can fast forward and to an extent, Bell's song
Speaker 1: in them in Up Christmas Carol always sort of made
Speaker 1: me feel like that, so I could see why they
Speaker 1: cut it out. But you absolutely have to put it in,
Speaker 1: and it affects the rhythm as well. It affects the
Speaker 1: rhythm of that, so that so that last section is
Speaker 1: very truncated as a result. One of the things that
Speaker 1: I love about is how terrifying they're prepared to make it.
Speaker 1: So the ghost of Christmas yet to Come is genuinely
Speaker 1: terrifying to children, and the ghost to put Christmas past
Speaker 1: is very speaky and sort of it's such a great idea.
Speaker 1: Always reminds me of the Angels as they first come
Speaker 1: out of the arc at the end of Raiders of
Speaker 1: the Lost Arc. I think it's filmed with a similar
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they filmed those things under water. The
Speaker 1: way that they're the way that the material is flowing,
Speaker 1: that's what it sort of feels like, and so they
Speaker 1: so that The Ghost of Christmas Past always makes me
Speaker 1: think of that in Christmas Carol. But it is I know,
Speaker 1: I think top three greatest films of all time totally.
Speaker 1: I'm totally in your corner with that. Fantastic, fantastic. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you one other thing on this subject that you
Speaker 1: may not know. I'm sorry if I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but I definitely have went to you. There is a
Speaker 1: deleted scene. I think about this a lot in Austin
Speaker 1: Powers three gold Member. There's a deleted scene which is
Speaker 1: the song What's It All About? Alfie, But it's What's
Speaker 1: it all About Austin, And it's a monetize of everyone
Speaker 1: singing What's it all About? Austin? And I swear down
Speaker 1: it is genuinely moving. It is such an amazing secret.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful and it's funny and it's like one of
Speaker 1: the I basically think it's the best thing that was
Speaker 1: ever made of us in Powers and it's not in
Speaker 1: the film. And the reason it's not in the film
Speaker 1: is because when they did test screenings of it, people
Speaker 1: were so moved by this song bit that they never
Speaker 1: laughed again, so they just cut it. And it's so
Speaker 1: interesting that they were just like the film, the film
Speaker 1: never recovers from that song. That's extraordinary. I mean, you
Speaker 1: do you know, you find out big things when you're
Speaker 1: when you're tested screening. I find it absolutely staggering having
Speaker 1: made a film. I find it amazing that, like where
Speaker 1: you and I come from, right, our stand up shows
Speaker 1: are tested and tested and tested an inch of their lives.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the cheapest possible art form, the thing
Speaker 1: that we do and we put everything into making sure
Speaker 1: that that is as bulletproof, I mean, nothing's bulletproof in
Speaker 1: the world of company, but as bulletproof as it can be.
Speaker 1: You just make it right now, you make a film
Speaker 1: for tens of millions of dollars and you, I mean
Speaker 1: you do test it, but like you don't have an
Speaker 1: awful lot of wiggle room, not really like you might
Speaker 1: have to in fact, well unless you are prepared to
Speaker 1: spend millions and reshoot, which is what we ended up doing,
Speaker 1: and I know lots of films end up doing, But
Speaker 1: like that seems crazy to me that you don't go
Speaker 1: into filming thinking, okay, all right, so that thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars is are buddie. Why don't we say we're going
Speaker 1: to make this movie as a twenty million dollar movie
Speaker 1: and then we'll leave ten million dollars to allow us
Speaker 1: to test and reshoot and rejig. That to me seems sensible,
Speaker 1: because there's no other creative process where you have less
Speaker 1: kind of ability to change the body of the work
Speaker 1: that you're that you're doing. Does that make sense completely?
Speaker 1: And I've never heard it put like that, And that's
Speaker 1: so interesting, And how did you were test screenings for
Speaker 1: you when it's your phone difficult and ego destroying. It's
Speaker 1: like a wire brush to the soul. I mean really,
Speaker 1: they're really hard. You know what It's like, Right, you've done, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and do a preview. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a preview. And that was fucking humiliating.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an hour whereas oh, well probably less
Speaker 1: because there's no laughing. So there's forty five minutes where
Speaker 1: I was on stage and they just weren't going with anything,
Speaker 1: and I think I've just this. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sleep tonight. That was ashes. You know, there's like we're
Speaker 1: used to it. It's it's a thing, but nonetheless like
Speaker 1: it's a private thing to some degree where where we
Speaker 1: then take it away and do what we want to
Speaker 1: do to it. But once you get to a stage
Speaker 1: with a film that you're testing things, there are an
Speaker 1: awful lot of kind of voices in the room at
Speaker 1: that at that point and it's not yours anymore, and
Speaker 1: you're to blame when things are when when things don't
Speaker 1: go well. So it's it is hard, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you think about where the testing process comes so
Speaker 1: you've had your ten weeks or whatever it is, you
Speaker 1: and the director and the editor have had their time
Speaker 1: to do their cut, and that's the first thing that's tested,
Speaker 1: so you're really invested in it. By that point, you've gone,
Speaker 1: you've done an awful lot of fine tuning to this thing,
Speaker 1: and then you put it in front in front of people.
Speaker 1: And it's an amazingly brutal process because well for all
Speaker 1: sorts of reasons. One of the things there are two
Speaker 1: things they do that make you go, oh Jesus. One
Speaker 1: is they've film the audience right with a like heat camera.
Speaker 1: They film the audience, and then they give you a
Speaker 1: file afterwards that is you get the audience, you get
Speaker 1: what they've filmed at the audience, and in the corner
Speaker 1: is your movie, so you can see exactly how they're
Speaker 1: responding to what moments. So you are watching people going
Speaker 1: and then you watch them going right, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's horrific. It's incredibly useful, like it's exactly what
Speaker 1: you need, but it is Jesus guy. And then the
Speaker 1: next thing they do is they're given everybody in the
Speaker 1: test screening, three or four hundred people, whatever it is
Speaker 1: they've given them a bunch of cards with questionnaires on them,
Speaker 1: and they give you those. The next deck, they give
Speaker 1: you like a breakdown of how it went, and then
Speaker 1: they give you the cards and they break the cards
Speaker 1: down into sort of into demographics, so that foot four
Speaker 1: demographics women of younger women, older women, younger men, and
Speaker 1: older men or whatever. And then you start to read them.
Speaker 1: And me and my and Anthony, my editor, were sitting
Speaker 1: in the like in a lobby in a cheap hotel
Speaker 1: in La the day after we've done screw at the
Speaker 1: first screening, and they send these things, so okay, I'll
Speaker 1: open it and I'll read them. And the first ones
Speaker 1: are going, this is fucking brilliant. This is the most
Speaker 1: fun movie I've ever seen. I love this movie. This
Speaker 1: is an amazing movie. And you go, oh, I go
Speaker 1: and golden, we are golden. This is great, right, But
Speaker 1: what they haven't told you is that they give them
Speaker 1: an order of enthusiasm, So as you go through the cards,
Speaker 1: they get less and less enthusiastic, until by the end
Speaker 1: of it you're cogging. This is a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Who allowed this act? Is the worst movie? And you know,
Speaker 1: and you're just you're just weeping. It's absolutely extraordinary. It's
Speaker 1: an extraordinary process. Do you have any how do you
Speaker 1: survive it emotionally? And like how I do? What's your any?
Speaker 1: I think you just have to You just gotta fucking
Speaker 1: toughen up, man. I mean, like, there's nothing, there's nothing
Speaker 1: that you can make that everyone will love. Like there
Speaker 1: are it doesn't matter how popular or successful something. There
Speaker 1: are people who don't like Taylor Swift. There are people
Speaker 1: who didn't buy a Dell's album, or some people have
Speaker 1: bought Adele's album Moment. So I suppose that like, there's
Speaker 1: no way that you can you can get out of that.
Speaker 1: I have a cartoon that I often sent to people.
Speaker 1: It's on my desktop actually, and it's of you'll appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It's it's two panels, right. The first panel is the
Speaker 1: view from the stage when the comedian's on, and it's
Speaker 1: the mic in the stand and beyond that, like there's
Speaker 1: just everybody laughing and there's crying and laughing and they're
Speaker 1: just they're hugging themselves and they're having the best time.
Speaker 1: And then the second panel is what the comedian sees,
Speaker 1: and it's the mic and everything else is blacked out,
Speaker 1: except there's one dude's got fucking furious right now, you
Speaker 1: know this? So this is and the amazing thing I
Speaker 1: mean this cartoon is it's in exactly the same place
Speaker 1: that that fucker is always sitting, which is always as
Speaker 1: just as you're looking from the stage, on the left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: down on the left, always right, always that's where they
Speaker 1: see it. Yes, that's amazing, extremely always on the left,
Speaker 1: always about three rows. Yeah, what the fuck? Every time
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, that's the seat. That's the fuck a seat,
Speaker 1: like like they got the county on question time. There's
Speaker 1: there's clearly well are you really not going to do?
Speaker 1: You look like you're not going to enjoy this. I'm
Speaker 1: going to sell you C six C six, C six anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a good lesson in that cartoon, which is that
Speaker 1: you're always going to fixate on the negative responses, So
Speaker 1: you just have to not do that. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: I suppose if what you're making is great art, then
Speaker 1: you probably don't want to test it anywhere. You just
Speaker 1: want to put your vision out into the world and
Speaker 1: see how that goes. But if you're making something that
Speaker 1: is intended to be a commercial success. Then you have
Speaker 1: to understand that, well, that's the game that you're involved in,
Speaker 1: and you need to try and do everything that you
Speaker 1: can to make it that So it's useful to have
Speaker 1: people tell you shipmates, so long as as long as
Speaker 1: it's clear enough. What they're saying is clear enough and
Speaker 1: absolute enough, you know what I mean. There's nothing worse
Speaker 1: than I don't know what this note means. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is, and tell me tell me this.
Speaker 1: Are there things in the film that like that tested badly,
Speaker 1: but you one hundred percent believed in him, the sort
Speaker 1: of thought for him, like, no, they're wrong, this audience
Speaker 1: is wrong. I'm sorry. This bit needs to stay. No,
Speaker 1: not not really, like, in fact, there's one that's the opposite,
Speaker 1: because there was something that I absolutely fought to do
Speaker 1: that is not in the film, like I thought so
Speaker 1: hard for it to happen, and we because we reshot
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. The film is people for
Speaker 1: people listening to a film called The Hustle that I directed,
Speaker 1: and so the opening of that movie we had to
Speaker 1: read not quite the opening because but the sort of
Speaker 1: the first thing that happens post titles. The first time
Speaker 1: me and Hathaway's character, we had to reshoot it because
Speaker 1: we'd done this thing that I absolutely loved. But in it,
Speaker 1: she scams this kind of sweet but super rich nerd
Speaker 1: played brilliantly by Tim Blake Nelson, who was so good
Speaker 1: and I just loved him. I thought it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: But when we showed it to people, they've sympathized with him,
Speaker 1: and she came across as a horror and her character
Speaker 1: just never recovered as as a result of that. So
Speaker 1: we had to kind of re okay, we'll read it
Speaker 1: where there's somebody who deserves to be to be ripped off,
Speaker 1: which you know, so that's but but but the whole section.
Speaker 1: Because he's a nerd, it had involved her as this
Speaker 1: kind of superspy character where she she gone out onto
Speaker 1: the veranda of this casino and she's doing all these
Speaker 1: kind of like she's like a glam Jason Bourne is
Speaker 1: the is the part she played. She can't remember anything,
Speaker 1: she's just washed up. She's got this scar and she
Speaker 1: does all these incredible kind of acrobatic tumbles as a
Speaker 1: bit of gun play with the with the the police
Speaker 1: inspector who's who's secretly on her side and all of this,
Speaker 1: and it took us three days to do it. It
Speaker 1: costs god knows like a million dollars or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I missed some very good friend's wedding because it overran
Speaker 1: and it never made it into the into the movie
Speaker 1: because it was part of this sequence that actually reflect
Speaker 1: you know, when you on reflection, it made total sense,
Speaker 1: of course, that that was the wrong opening. The things
Speaker 1: that I can't enjoy now that I understand how things
Speaker 1: have made are things like battle scenes in Brave Heart,
Speaker 1: for example, where I just go, how the fuck did
Speaker 1: you reset? You know, how the fuck did you reset
Speaker 1: a hundred horses and spears and run? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: There was a take two of that, like, yeah, how
Speaker 1: does that happen? I don't cannot get my head around it.
Speaker 1: What's the film? Is it a Bridge Too Far? Was
Speaker 1: that the rich? Is that the Richard Attenborough one? There's
Speaker 1: one of one of those big war movies of that
Speaker 1: of that era that Richard Attenborough directed. I think it
Speaker 1: is a Bridge too Far? And it's like there is
Speaker 1: the one scene where where it's that they're trying to
Speaker 1: take the bridge and you know, the parachutes are coming
Speaker 1: down all that, and they had, like I think I'm
Speaker 1: probably misremembering this wildly, and that speaks most likely to
Speaker 1: my own fear as somebody who has sometimes to make
Speaker 1: things that like. I think he they had one chance
Speaker 1: at the entire thing, and I think it was his
Speaker 1: mond me and yeah, yeah, I mean some of that
Speaker 1: stuff is incredibly high stakes, and it's the whole It's
Speaker 1: the whole game, isn't it. Like you, if you don't
Speaker 1: get that, it doesn't matter what else you shot, you
Speaker 1: haven't got anything terrifying. Anyway, this is all fascinating. Tell
Speaker 1: me this a little change of pace, Addison, what's the
Speaker 1: sexiest film ever made? I think it's out of sight? Correct?
Speaker 1: Am I right? I think it is? Oh good, that's good.
Speaker 1: I do really think it's an unbelievably sexy movie. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, there is some sex in it, but
Speaker 1: not in a way that it's not remotely pornographic. I
Speaker 1: think there's only want sex scene possibly in it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's don't look now sex scene in it in terms
Speaker 1: of time going back and forwards. And they are both
Speaker 1: fit as fuck. They are both fit as fuck, and
Speaker 1: there is that and that, my friends, is chemistry like
Speaker 1: it is so it is so extraordinary chemistry, and being
Speaker 1: really disappointed with what happened to Jennifer Lopez's career after that,
Speaker 1: because she I just thought, because that was the first film,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. And I remember thinking, God, you've got that's brilliant,
Speaker 1: what a talent. And then and then she did, I
Speaker 1: speak of somebody who's favorite genre. I make no apologies
Speaker 1: for this, although the fact that I said I make
Speaker 1: no apologies for this is sort of an apology. But
Speaker 1: I don't make any apologies. My favorite genre is not
Speaker 1: apologizing for it. It's wrong comes from many company fucking
Speaker 1: love for man toy companies, leave me alone. But she
Speaker 1: was in like her choices were terrible, made in Manhattan
Speaker 1: and all of those sorts of things. But in that
Speaker 1: first movie that it's so good, and I think Soderbergh
Speaker 1: is interesting, isn't it, Because like he'd made sex Lies
Speaker 1: and Videotape, which I don't think is a very sexy film.
Speaker 1: It's not at all a sexy film. It's sort of
Speaker 1: the opposite of a sexy film, met in many ways.
Speaker 1: And then he made Out of Sight and it is
Speaker 1: just like, the tension is extraordinary. It's extraordinary. That more
Speaker 1: time out scene is is amazing because it's sort of
Speaker 1: where where he's at the top of the stairs and
Speaker 1: he and she's done, she's done, and that kind of Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful because all of the steaks are in that
Speaker 1: scene and it's a it's an I love you scene,
Speaker 1: and it's a we can't get over our jobs scene,
Speaker 1: and there's also still that tension there. It's it's a
Speaker 1: remarkable piece of filmmaking. Love it. Love the soundtrack, Yes,
Speaker 1: David Holmes, there's an incredible soundtrack. There's a subcategory to
Speaker 1: this question, Traveling Bone is worrying why I don't Well,
Speaker 1: what's the film you've found arousing that you thought maybe
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have. Well, I've got I've got two. I've
Speaker 1: got two to choose, right, I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to tell me I kind of answer that I've got
Speaker 1: two to choose from for slightly different they just you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be One of them is Betty Blue? Right now,
Speaker 1: Betty Blue is undoubtedly a sexy film starring Beatrice Doll.
Speaker 1: If you're a man of my specific age, she was
Speaker 1: absolutely she was the heart phone, particularly for kind of
Speaker 1: you know, for sort of indie boys of my of
Speaker 1: my age. She was on all kind of university hall walls, right,
Speaker 1: she was stunning, bitter. But that character is so damaged,
Speaker 1: so damaged that it sort of feels wrong, like it
Speaker 1: feels really wrong. It's it's really not you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: finding that person sexually, because that's her sexiness is an
Speaker 1: expression of how badly damaged she is. That is why
Speaker 1: that's a troubling movie. And the other one, which is
Speaker 1: also you shouldn't be that common man is x Mackina.
Speaker 1: Oh mate, I mean it is the sexiest yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is so wrong, like it's completely wrong. It's
Speaker 1: about you know, because it's because the movie, although it's
Speaker 1: sort of framed as being about our relationship technology the technology,
Speaker 1: it's not at all. It's really about men and women
Speaker 1: and the way that men view women. And that's what
Speaker 1: really you're responding to. So you just as they as
Speaker 1: they sort of progressively make the the android more and
Speaker 1: more human, it's you sort of feel your stuff complete.
Speaker 1: Please don't go any further with this because this is
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel good about myself. And then
Speaker 1: it gets gets worse and worse and worse, I think,
Speaker 1: and at the end you think, well, I probably would
Speaker 1: have deserved to be trapped in there as well. To
Speaker 1: be absolutely honest, it's a bit like Vertigo, I think
Speaker 1: in that it sort of goes, yeah, you're full in
Speaker 1: love with it because you're an idiot. Yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is because you're all idiots. Yeah, and you will have
Speaker 1: you are you a heterosexual man with a dick? Well,
Speaker 1: here's a film that's going to make you the fool
Speaker 1: that you actually are. It really is. Come on, please
Speaker 1: don't do this to me. Oh he did it. I
Speaker 1: know I did it to myself. But yeah, yeah, it's fairy.
Speaker 1: Very troubling, I mean really troubling. I felt bad about
Speaker 1: myself after that movie. We put that to put that
Speaker 1: into context for you, Brett. I feel bad about myself
Speaker 1: most of the time for a range of different things.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a movie can be on and I'm not even
Speaker 1: watching it, I'll still be feeling better about myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the objectively the greatest film of all time? Objectively
Speaker 1: the greatest might not be your favorite? Well, I think
Speaker 1: it might be The Rock. I think it might be
Speaker 1: The Rock. I think The Rock is arguably the best
Speaker 1: made movie. I mean, it's just an astonishing piece of
Speaker 1: filmmaking because it treads such a brilliant line between utter
Speaker 1: high camp. I mean, just it's so so camp. It's
Speaker 1: so camp they would turn it away at the Vauxhall
Speaker 1: Tavern for being a bit much. Right, it is that
Speaker 1: camp a movie, and yet it is also this extraordinarily
Speaker 1: kind of macho thing where every the characters are so
Speaker 1: appealing in it, every cartory is right. You know that
Speaker 1: they're all the right version of that kind of person.
Speaker 1: Sean Connery is exactly the right version of the cynical,
Speaker 1: wise cracking old lag Nicholas Cage somehow convinces you again
Speaker 1: that he's a puts when he's clearly like, he's clearly not.
Speaker 1: One of the first thing you see, seemed too, is
Speaker 1: that you know he's got this beautiful girl that he's
Speaker 1: making love to, and you go, okay, so this guy
Speaker 1: like so we's the must to think of this on
Speaker 1: a motorcycle, and so this is a nerd scientist. But anyway,
Speaker 1: somehow he's cool and that's brilliant, and Harris is a
Speaker 1: fantastic villain. He's got a point as well, which is
Speaker 1: using Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it includes the most over the
Speaker 1: top climax. It's just at that end with Nicholas Cage
Speaker 1: on his knees, with with with the flares, you know,
Speaker 1: and those those jets have had time to get to Liverpool,
Speaker 1: but the time they actually hit the rock it is
Speaker 1: so come on, come on, guys. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just an astonishing piece in the same way that
Speaker 1: people I know people are from saying on this on
Speaker 1: this podcast, you know, in the same way that Die
Speaker 1: Hard or the or Back to the Future or whatever
Speaker 1: are really incredibly well put together. I would also actually
Speaker 1: I would put in those categories My Cousin Vinny because
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, it's a masterclass in how to
Speaker 1: write a movie. That's It was Dale Lorna who wrote
Speaker 1: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels who wrote My Cousin Vinnie, and it
Speaker 1: is I really recommend it. As I know, Back to
Speaker 1: the Future is the one that people always saying you
Speaker 1: should definitely look at that if you're interested in how
Speaker 1: to write a script that everything ties up in. But
Speaker 1: My Cousin Vinnie, nothing is wasted in that movie. Every
Speaker 1: single piece of information that you're given comes back and
Speaker 1: serves the payoff. It is just great. It's a great
Speaker 1: and with some phenomenal performances at the center of it.
Speaker 1: So I would, I think, I mean, I would put
Speaker 1: that up there, you know, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like The Groundhog Day as well, those ones, Pirates of
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Just everything fits. Yeah, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: with the rock. You're very good at this. Actually you're
Speaker 1: regular at this podcast. What's the what's the film you
Speaker 1: could or have? What's the most over and over again? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a dead heat. I mean, I can't I'm not
Speaker 1: sure which of these I have watched most, but these
Speaker 1: are the two films that I've watched most. And you
Speaker 1: know when I said, my friend Rebeca said, I'm the
Speaker 1: most wholesome person. Yeah. Yeah, Well these two films are
Speaker 1: When Harry Met Sally, which I can do it karaoke
Speaker 1: for you, I mean again, another astonishing script. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can do that entire film. And the other one here
Speaker 1: you go. The other one is A Room with a View.
Speaker 1: I've seen a Room with a View. I would think
Speaker 1: thirty times. I reckon, I've seen that film. Probably the
Speaker 1: person who's watched that film most out of everybody who
Speaker 1: probably watched it more than Merchant dan Ivery. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think during the editing James Ivory saw it as
Speaker 1: as as much. Yeah, No, I loved loved that well.
Speaker 1: I saw it at film club at my school sort
Speaker 1: of when it came out in eighty five something like that.
Speaker 1: Entirely fell in love with Helen and Bonham Carter like
Speaker 1: that was a big thing in my life at that point,
Speaker 1: and really subsequently it's so incredibly charming, it's very very funny.
Speaker 1: It's a proper like I love a coming of age movie,
Speaker 1: and it's a coming of age movie really and a
Speaker 1: romcom as well as you know, obviously you sort of
Speaker 1: think of it as being an Edwardian period piece or whatever,
Speaker 1: which it is, but it is those other things as well,
Speaker 1: And I like, I love, I love coming of age movies.
Speaker 1: That's sort of my Gregory's Girl, you know. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's in there in my top tens and anything that
Speaker 1: is somebody fully becoming themselves, that's I'm into that. And
Speaker 1: Rumor of the View is sort of that. But it's
Speaker 1: utterly charming. Yeah, I don't like to be negative. If
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. We've talked about it's very
Speaker 1: hard to make a film, but yeah, it's too quickly.
Speaker 1: What's the worst film you evers? Well, I'll give you
Speaker 1: an answer in private, but for now for put putting
Speaker 1: my professionally courteous hat on. Well, there are two movies
Speaker 1: actually that I'm going to I'm gonna put up here
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, it's really hard to make something
Speaker 1: at all. Obviously, However, I do recommend if you can
Speaker 1: find it, that you go and look at the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety version of Captain America. Is that a trauma film? Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's true. I think it's actually like
Speaker 1: it's some it's a proper studio. What do done it?
Speaker 1: It is? It's just baffling, especially now when you watch
Speaker 1: you know, we're so used to seeing Marvel movies and
Speaker 1: how much money is spent on them and how wildly
Speaker 1: professional they are on every level, when you go back
Speaker 1: and watch something that is so cheap that they're not
Speaker 1: really able to do any of the things that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do in a scenario movie. So like it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's genuinely bad and that's the story
Speaker 1: is awful. It's like it's only an hour and a
Speaker 1: half or whatever, which is really pretty good. I think
Speaker 1: more superhero movies should be an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: I would be I'd be there for that. But it is, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's clear in lots of places that they're having
Speaker 1: to point the camera in a certain direction because you
Speaker 1: can't we can't look at what's behind us. So just
Speaker 1: if you could just all do that in that one direction,
Speaker 1: that would be fantastic, thank you very much. It is extraordinary,
Speaker 1: So you should definitely definitely seek that out. But and
Speaker 1: this is another superhero movie. This is objectively the worst
Speaker 1: movie I ever made. It isn't my opinion, it is
Speaker 1: plainly it's there for you to see on the screen,
Speaker 1: the worst made movie of all time. And it's called
Speaker 1: it has two names. It's either called Iron Hero or
Speaker 1: Metal Man. Now, I really would recommend that you try
Speaker 1: and to track down a DVD of this. Somebody with
Speaker 1: about two hundred and fifty dollars has tried to make
Speaker 1: an Iron Man ripple. And they've done that, not only
Speaker 1: I mean and in some regards you want to go, well,
Speaker 1: good for them. That is incredibly brave, brilliant that you're
Speaker 1: going to back yourself, you know, talent will out. Storytelling
Speaker 1: is the most important thing. But the story is dog shit.
Speaker 1: The acting is genuinely appalling, but you're really watching something
Speaker 1: that someone has made in the flats of their mate,
Speaker 1: like what what rooms are available to them? I can't
Speaker 1: really describe it. Well. I can remember I saw it
Speaker 1: and my sister and her husband. I was staying with
Speaker 1: them whilst I was doing a gig and then come back,
Speaker 1: come back after and we'll watch this this movie. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I've laughed as much in many many years.
Speaker 1: Do Iron Hero or Metal Man look it up? It
Speaker 1: is so because they said, yeah, they knew that it
Speaker 1: was going to be absolute dog shit. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it is genuinely terrible. Nobody involved in it is at
Speaker 1: all talented. And that sounds so harsh until you watch.
Speaker 1: Somebody should have taken everybody to one side and gun guys.
Speaker 1: You just there's just got to know there's no good
Speaker 1: outcome here for you, but you were entertained. That's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: That cannot be tonight. So in fact, it might be
Speaker 1: the greatest movie I've ever seen. Yeah, I totally reverse
Speaker 1: my position. It's a working fucking genius. I do recommend
Speaker 1: watching it. Okay, you're in comedy, you're very funny. What's
Speaker 1: the film that made you laugh the most other than
Speaker 1: Metal Men? Other than Metal Men or Iron Hero. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think like the film that's made me made me
Speaker 1: laugh most cumulatively over the years is The Naked Gun.
Speaker 1: Because one of my bonding moments with my best mate
Speaker 1: when we first met at university in the early nineties
Speaker 1: was that our student union was showing the first two
Speaker 1: Naked Gun movies and we went and watched and we
Speaker 1: both knew them so well that we were laughing, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're laughing an anticipation to joke, which is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite when you're when you're enjoying something so
Speaker 1: much despite having seen it eighty four Tory that you're
Speaker 1: you're really looking forward to them the funny thing that's
Speaker 1: coming up. We were clutching each other and giggling watching that,
Speaker 1: and I've been firm friends obviously, So yeah, the Naked Gun.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's hard to pound for pound, it's
Speaker 1: hard to think you can totally have that. Thanks man,
Speaker 1: Chris Addison, You've been astonishing. You know, you're very kind.
Speaker 1: I've loved this. However, when you you were eating a
Speaker 1: lot of pickles, right, you're eating a lot of chili pickles,
Speaker 1: and you've got a little rumbling and your temming. You
Speaker 1: and your wife said to you, I don't think you
Speaker 1: should eat that last pickle, and you said, I listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat it, and I'm going to eat it.
Speaker 1: So my suggestion is you pop in the next room,
Speaker 1: start looking for the paperwork you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just put a quick call in for the
Speaker 1: people that I love gently. I'd like them to gather around.
Speaker 1: So Simon black Well, some old friends from school, not
Speaker 1: your best friend was cool, but the second tier people,
Speaker 1: second tier coming you look over Twitter, I love these
Speaker 1: people gently. They pop over Trafaga Square. I send a
Speaker 1: note out that hey, guys, I think it's coming. So
Speaker 1: then a big gathering of people you cared about or
Speaker 1: didn't care about or in trivagor square. His wife and
Speaker 1: kids are there now because you love them too hard
Speaker 1: to be near you. And you find a couple of enemies,
Speaker 1: people from the test screening that said how dare you
Speaker 1: be alive? Whatever? They gather strategically in the room. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you eat this final pickle and you explode and your
Speaker 1: blubber connects with the people that you don't like, and
Speaker 1: it's good it hits them in the face. But the
Speaker 1: people you love, generally, they're spared. Anyway, I was walking
Speaker 1: by your house and I hear this horrific noise which
Speaker 1: then was followed by the loud, long fart, and then
Speaker 1: I chuckled to myself, that's what this must be, Chris
Speaker 1: Addison's house. That popping. I've got a coffin with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm like. Anyway, I'm clearing through the
Speaker 1: people you love generally, there's loads of them. Actually a
Speaker 1: very loving man, but generally, and there I find you.
Speaker 1: You're an absolute fucking mess, the state of it. I'm
Speaker 1: having to peel bits of you off people you didn't like.
Speaker 1: There's stuff in the curtains, having to take down the
Speaker 1: whole curtains can't get it off, so everything's pickled. Anyway,
Speaker 1: stuff all the bits of you into the coffin. But
Speaker 1: there's far more of you than I was expecting, what
Speaker 1: with all the soft furnishings that's come with you. Stuff.
Speaker 1: You're all in the coffin right. There's barely any room
Speaker 1: in there. There's only enough room in there to put
Speaker 1: one DVD that I can slide in the side with
Speaker 1: you if you just take across to the other side.
Speaker 1: And when you get to Heaven, it's movie night every night,
Speaker 1: and one night it's your movie night. What film are
Speaker 1: you taking to show the people of Heaven when it
Speaker 1: is your movie night, mister Chris Addison, it's moving out
Speaker 1: every night. I think this would be an interesting movie
Speaker 1: for us to watch, and I rewatched this at the
Speaker 1: weekend to test whether I still loved it as much,
Speaker 1: and I do. We would watch Night on Earth, you know,
Speaker 1: Night on Earth, Jim, the taxis film. Yeah, the Taxi film.
Speaker 1: If you have not seen Night on Earth, it is
Speaker 1: the most enter It's so perfect. It's an incredibly entertaining movie.
Speaker 1: It's about it's about one night, one night, as Harry
Speaker 1: Oish do one night on one night on Earth with
Speaker 1: five taxi drivers at the same sort of period of
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and their their stories. So it starts in
Speaker 1: la and then New York, Paris, Rome, Helsinki, and it
Speaker 1: is just, you know, five completely unconnected stories other than
Speaker 1: the fact that they take place in taxis. And it's really,
Speaker 1: really lovely, really lovely and funny and sort of soulful
Speaker 1: and bittersweet, all the good Jim Joe Mouse stuff. And
Speaker 1: it's a really good example of that sort of early
Speaker 1: nineties arthouse stuff that I quite liked, really really, Now,
Speaker 1: Chris Addison, before we say goodbye, is there anything you
Speaker 1: would like people to watch forward, lookout for, listen to anything.
Speaker 1: Breeders I believe it's on its way. Breeders tea yeah,
Speaker 1: Breeders yeah, so so that would be your Breeders Season
Speaker 1: two is currently every Monday night on FX in America.
Speaker 1: You can also catch up on the FX on Hulu
Speaker 1: and you can also see season one there in this country,
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and for now Northern Ireland.
Speaker 1: Then you can see that on Sky starting on May
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh, and it's will also be on Now
Speaker 1: or as now a TV is now called, and you
Speaker 1: can catch up on Sky and Now on the previous
Speaker 1: season already brilliant. Also, have you seen Teds? Not your
Speaker 1: sort of thing? Was it not not for me? But
Speaker 1: I appreciate the thinking behind it, Chris Addison, I did, like,
Speaker 1: thanks man, God bless you have a lovely death and
Speaker 1: see you soon. Good day to you, sir, Good day
Speaker 1: to you. So that was episode one hundred and forty eight.
Speaker 1: Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: for the extra thirty minutes of chat, secrets and video
Speaker 1: with Chris. Head to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five
Speaker 1: star rating, but don't write about the show, right about
Speaker 1: the film that means the most to you and why
Speaker 1: it's a lovely thing to read. It does help numbers, etc.
Speaker 1: And it is really appreciated by my neighbor Maureen. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for listening. Thank you to Chris for
Speaker 1: doing the show. Thanks to Scrubus pipping the distraction pieces
Speaker 1: of network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it, Thanks
Speaker 1: to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for
Speaker 1: the graphics at least allowing for the photography. Come and
Speaker 1: join me next week for another incredible blinder of a guest.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. In the meantime, have
Speaker 1: a lovely week and please be excellent to each others
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