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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Friday, August sixteenth. Big weekend out here in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is the final

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Speaker 2: weekend of summer for my kids before they go back

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Speaker 2: to school. Kind of excited. Also, you know I'll miss

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Speaker 2: them around the house. But good, and it's gracious. It's

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Speaker 2: good to have them back in school, get grinded on

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Speaker 2: the books.

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Speaker 3: Instead of goofing off in summer.

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Speaker 2: Although I will say as a kid, I loved summer

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Speaker 2: more than pretty much anything. Summer and pe basically or

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Speaker 2: of my two favorite things about youth. But yeah, big

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Speaker 2: weekend out here in LA. And I will say, we

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Speaker 2: got a great podcast. I'm going to be talking about

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Speaker 2: the US national team coach. Obviously a big move there.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a soccer it's just a general outlook

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Speaker 2: on philosophy as it pertains to sports life. And they

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Speaker 2: knew US soccer coach who I think you're gonna be

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Speaker 2: excited about. A couple of NFL articles will get to.

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Speaker 2: I did want to start off briefly. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys saw this, but there's like some kind

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Speaker 2: of shake up going on at ESPN. Very random.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I don't talk a lot of sports media on here,

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Speaker 2: but a firing RG three with two years left on

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Speaker 2: his contract and firing Sam Ponder two NFL people on

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Speaker 2: the heels of the NFL season, Like really, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is I was just I was called off guard

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Speaker 2: by it, and then you know, you start texting people

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Speaker 2: in the industry and there's what's going on.

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Speaker 3: That's very random. I thought RG three they liked him.

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Speaker 2: I don't follow him on social so I don't really

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what he'd been up to. Apparently he

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Speaker 2: likes to get a little political. But nevertheless, there seems

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Speaker 2: to be something going on at ESPN.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it, but in texting

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Speaker 2: with people at CBS, ESPN, Fox, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are under the impression that there's a shake up underway

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Speaker 2: in the next year, it's going to be somewhat radical.

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Speaker 2: I can't say for sure what's going to happen, but

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Speaker 2: it definitely sounds like something is a foot over at

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Speaker 2: the Worldwide Leader. Other side, note, I had mentioned my

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Speaker 2: kids were going back to school. Well elsewhere in LA

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Speaker 2: other kids are going back to school. As such, the

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Speaker 2: morning commute is now shittier. As a result, I went

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Speaker 2: on Audible to get a new book. I'm near the

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Speaker 2: end of Liar's Poker, the great Michael Lewis book about

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Speaker 2: Wall Street. Even if you're only a sports fan and

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Speaker 2: you're like, I don't really care about just I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna love it. Michael Lewis is amazing. Liar's Poker

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Speaker 2: is an excellent book. But the new one I downloaded

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Speaker 2: just today And I don't really know what brought brought

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Speaker 2: it about, but just randomly I was like, oh, let me,

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Speaker 2: let me see Freakonomics, and I download the book and

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Speaker 2: it's free. I mean Audible is like fifteen dollars a month,

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Speaker 3: Fifteen bucks. I mean, folks, we're talking peanuts.

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Speaker 2: And it's if you've got to commute like I do,

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Speaker 2: I might have to start leaving earlier. It's good to

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Speaker 2: car on Audible. So I downloaded Freakonomics. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: what a great start to that book. First, Like ten

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Speaker 2: minutes are just ooh gripping. I'm gonna have to listen

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Speaker 2: to this like in the shower. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: an excellent book. So very excited as we approach NFL season. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you know you gotta find some nonsports reading material here

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Speaker 2: right before football, because once football starts for me, it's

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Speaker 2: all football, all the time. And let's just use that

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Speaker 2: as a segue to get into two kind of big

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Speaker 2: stories in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: One pertains to the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a Jets fan, and no, I don't ever

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Speaker 2: like to see guys get hurt, but this Matt Mulano

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Speaker 2: injury is significant torn biceps for their best linebacker. He

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Speaker 2: I don't remember who the opponent was, but it was

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Speaker 1: Of the way.

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Speaker 3: No Milano, no bueno.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who are like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: a linebacker, Jay, no big deal. What's the much ado about? Nothing,

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Speaker 2: I'll just remind you this is a Bill's defense that

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Speaker 2: lost boat starting safeties who I believe had been starting

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Speaker 2: The edge is gone. She talk about five new starters

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Speaker 2: don't know Ed Oliver the defensive tackle, Matt Mulano for sure,

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Speaker 2: kind of a hybrid linebacker slash nickel corner. But Milano's

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Speaker 2: certainly in there. This is a big loss anyway you

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Speaker 2: it's a Homer Jets take. I do believe that the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills reign of terror in the AFC East is over.

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Speaker 2: The New York Jets will win the division this year.

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Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins third, New England Patriots pulling up the rear.

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Speaker 2: segue quickly to the Patriots. The Matt Judon trade, which

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Speaker 2: There's a little more talking and then Judon's just like,

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Speaker 2: So obviously. He turns thirty two this week. It's not

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Speaker 2: like his best days are behind him. He could still

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Speaker 2: have a monster year this year for Atlanta. Juda was

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Speaker 2: think Judon is a terrific player. I do wonder if

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Speaker 2: Judon maybe showed up at camp so damn ain't got

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Speaker 2: no more Belichick Huh, Brady's long gone, Huh Jacoby Brissett,

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Speaker 2: a quasi contender, if you will, in the NFC. I

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Speaker 2: don't think Atlanta is a legit Super Bowl contender, but

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Speaker 2: they should be able to stack wins assuming Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: is healthy. They're a nine, ten to eleven win team.

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Speaker 2: don't love the Falcons, but the schedule is favorable, and

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Speaker 2: Cousins is an upgrade. And now you add Jude on

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinators are like, oh man, how we're gonna scheme

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Speaker 2: the Falcons got they listen, they got solid talent on defense,

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Speaker 2: and the schedule is you know, we'll see what happens early.

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Speaker 2: It's tough. Okay, they host Pittsburgh and TJ. Watt. I

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Speaker 2: don't think Kirk Cousins is excited about facing TJ. Watt

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Speaker 2: Then you go prime time, where Cousins has been rotten

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Speaker 2: historically in Philadelphia. I think we can go ahead and

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Speaker 2: chalk that up as a loss. Then short week Sunday

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Speaker 2: night football, Kansas City Chiefs the games in Atlanta. Maybe

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Speaker 2: they'll be plucky, but there's a world where Atlanta starts

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Speaker 2: it loosens up Saints, Bucks, Panther, Seahawks. They should they'll

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Speaker 2: But if they get off to a clunky start. Do

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Speaker 2: we hear stuff about Pennix? You know, Rahiem Morris. I'm

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Speaker 2: expecting him to coach up Judah and that defense. You know,

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Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett's probably their best defender, Terrell Good cornerback. They

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Speaker 2: just signed Justin Simmons to maybe go with Jesse Bates.

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Speaker 2: Bates has had an amazing year last year. Like they've

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Speaker 2: got some talent. I just don't know what to make

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Speaker 2: I just think the Patriots are kind of the bigger story.

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Speaker 2: And I floated this on the Herd to Calhurd. I said, dude,

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Speaker 2: so this Drake may situation where he's just getting obliterated

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Speaker 2: in scrimmage in practice and looks genuinely awful.

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Speaker 2: Is there a world where the Patriots win three or

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Speaker 2: four games? The Patriots are then drafting number one and

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Speaker 2: similar to the whole Josh Rosen Kyler Murray situation in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: I know there was a coaching change. There won't be

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Speaker 2: a co I don't think they're firing Mayo after one season.

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Speaker 2: Anything's in play, but I don't see that happening. Is

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Speaker 2: there a scenario where they want the kid from Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Carson Beck, the quarterback with a big arm, who I

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Speaker 2: expect to pop big time in college football this year,

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Speaker 2: and all of.

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Speaker 3: A sudden it's like, oh, Drake.

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Speaker 2: May ain't the guy.

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Speaker 3: Beck beats him out, and it's like, do we trade

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Speaker 3: Drake May?

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Speaker 2: And like, okay, well, what's the market for Drake May

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Speaker 2: who apparently has looked terrible? But he ain't gonna look

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Speaker 2: good in that New England situation? Nobody will.

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Speaker 3: But what about a team like San Francisco?

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Speaker 2: Do they consider consider just a thought, perhaps pressing the

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Speaker 2: reset button and saying, you know what, could we get

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Speaker 2: Drake May in our system on his rookie deal and

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Speaker 2: we don't have to pay Brock Purty fifty million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 3: I love Brock Purty. I'm a Brock Purtty truther.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a top five to ten quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the league for sure, based on stats. I know. Forget

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Speaker 2: the eye test, forget the seventh rout pick. Forget all

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Speaker 2: that crap based on the numbers and production. In a

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Speaker 2: year and a half, brock Purty has been excellent and tremendous,

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Speaker 2: and yes, you can play all the well he's surrounded

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Speaker 2: by Shanahan and McAffrey.

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Speaker 2: I think the beauty of this US soccer coaches forlosophy,

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Speaker 2: a successful site and change why?

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, well, yeah, you're doing you're doing great,

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Speaker 2: but like we think we can do it differently and

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Speaker 2: it can be a little better. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, why don't you guys just do whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to do. I'm not going to change what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing. My thing's working.

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Speaker 3: And they're like yeah, but then we're duplicating efforts.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well I've been doing this here and

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Speaker 2: it's been successful, so I'm going to keep doing what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing. Why don't you guys do something else? Like

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Speaker 2: you're the new guys, right, you do whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Leave me and my successful little operation over here alone.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I turned to my guy Chris Perone,

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Speaker 2: who's now back with the Big Lead.

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Speaker 3: But I turned on and I'm like, is this really happening?

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Speaker 2: I was stunned, and they're like, yeah, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I started, of course, I walk out of the meeting

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Speaker 2: and like I've got steam coming out of my ears

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Speaker 2: to this just really happen.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with these people?

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Speaker 2: And ultimately, you know, I got on the phone with

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Speaker 2: called Chris, I called someone else. I'm like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: And you guys know how things work. Anytime you get

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Speaker 2: a job at the end of the year, when it

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Speaker 2: comes to not necessarily promotion, but you get your end

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Speaker 2: of the year review and they want to make sure

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Speaker 2: you're doing great well. If you come in and all

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Speaker 2: you're doing is pushing an existing site, like what good

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Speaker 2: are You're just like a middleman, right, You're not really

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Speaker 2: doing much. So to show your value, what do you

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Speaker 2: do if you're new? Well, I'm going to create something

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Speaker 2: that even though we're already giving Jason all these clicks

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Speaker 2: from USA today, I'm just going to take those from

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Speaker 2: my new site and presto at the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: instead of Jason having fifteen million clicks, maybe I'm just

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Speaker 2: throwing out numbers ten million from USA today, five million,

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Speaker 2: whatever we're going to get all fifteen of those in house.

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Speaker 2: And so these guys their philosophy was, hey, we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna essentially redirect the traffic from Jeson and the other

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Speaker 2: constellation of websites the USA today fire hose if you are,

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Speaker 2: we're just going to do it on our own site.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what they did. I mean, I didn't care.

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Speaker 2: It didn't impact me. We still grew. Obviously, we didn't

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Speaker 2: grow as fast because they were just siphoning all the traffic.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to like back off my successful philosophy.

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Speaker 2: If you guys want to ape it and take it

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Speaker 2: and copy it, that's fine. Like that's what do they

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Speaker 2: call imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, Like

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Speaker 2: I was flaughtered.

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Speaker 3: Great, you want to create basically my site? Cool, I'm honored.

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Speaker 3: Good luck. And it worked for them.

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Speaker 2: Now fast forward ten years, one of us is still

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Speaker 2: in the industry. I don't think the other three guys are.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything. I mean, listen, you can only

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Speaker 2: shift around stuff for so long before it's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: what exactly's going on here? I'm sure they're successful in

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Speaker 2: whatever they're doing. It, just it was weird. It's when

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Speaker 2: you you know your philosophy works, you got to stick

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Speaker 2: with it now obviously you've got to tweak it sometimes.

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Speaker 3: And we talked about this many times with the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Brady and Belichick kept reinventing themselves offensively, from a

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Speaker 2: running ground game with Corey Dillon to a two tight

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Speaker 2: end sets with Aaron Hernandez and Gronk, to the Randy

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Speaker 2: Moss wide open offense to the slot receivers. Like they

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Speaker 2: kept adapting their philosophy, which is how you're going to

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Speaker 2: dominate for two decades. That's the move right, continual reinvention

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Speaker 2: and tweaking your philosophy. And I my thought here as

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Speaker 2: it pertains to USA today soccer is I think this

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Speaker 2: is an absolute home run.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited now.

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Speaker 2: The only problem is they don't really have any They're

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Speaker 2: not going to have that much action together. Right. If

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Speaker 2: you're coaching a club team, you're seeing them every day,

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Speaker 2: you could see who's putting forth the effort, who's not.

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Speaker 2: Like it's very easy when you're seeing a team year round.

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Speaker 2: It's less easy when the new head coach is getting

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Speaker 2: his guys for two weeks here and there right in

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Speaker 2: a camp and then it's five months later, you get

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Speaker 2: an another week, you know, like, that's that's extremely difficult.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he can watch the players and he

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Speaker 2: will devour film on them and see who fits where.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's going to be a challenge, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: But I'm very optimistic that whats your then A gosh,

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Speaker 2: I hope.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that right is going to be up for

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Speaker 3: the challenge.

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Speaker 2: And I'm extremely bullish on the twenty twenty six World Cup.

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Speaker 2: So if nothing else, just take philosophy into the weekend

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Speaker 2: as you guys, have a good, safe one, enjoy the

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Speaker 2: What is this week two in preseason action? Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I think next week is we're going to start the

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Speaker 2: fantasy and the gambling, and as we get closer to

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Speaker 2: the end of the preseason, everybody gets excited. Actually college

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Speaker 2: football I think begins in two weeks. That's going to

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Speaker 2: be excited. Remember yesterday's pod. Obviously October twelfth, block it

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Speaker 2: off on the calendar. Just you've been warned.

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Speaker 3: All right, have a good one. Talk to you Monday.