WEBVTT - Motivation with Aron Snyder 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:03.120 If you're listening to The Sportsman's Nation podcast network brought 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.160 to you by Interstate Batteries, we would like to remind 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.920 you to head over to the Sportsman's Nation Facebook and 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.520 Instagram pages to check out the new trailer for the 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.200 very first ever short film titled Tradition. We're really excited 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.320 about this project and hope you will enjoy it just 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:27.120 as much as we enjoyed making it. My name is 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.760 Clay Nucoleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.320 I'll also be your host into the world of hunting 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:41.480 the icon of North American wilderness. There, we'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.280 but will also bring you into some of the wildest 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:55.400 country on the planet, chasing the better. Like what are you? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.240 What are you trying to do? Aaron? What would what 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.040 would the end goal of Aaron Snyder? In twenty years 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.480 everything goes away that you would hope it would? What 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.120 what would that be? You know? Somebody asked me this 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.520 recently and I don't think they got the answer out 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.160 of me. I wanted, honestly. Might We stopped in Denver 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.960 at the Kafaru International Headquarters to talk with Aaron Snyder, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.240 Colby and I were on our way back from Montana 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.440 and had an awesome conversation where we've talked about some 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.119 of Aaron's motivations, some of his background and hunting, why 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.520 he does what he does, his definitions of manhood. We 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.000 talked about his motivations for being as driven as he 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.160 is and as disciplined as he is. We talked about 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.840 traditional archery and some of the methods that he's using, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.760 but also kind of contrasted it with other methods that 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.280 worked too. We had a fun conversation that's probably different 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.800 than some of the other podcasts you've heard with Aaron Snyder. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.120 Be sure to check out the Bear Hunting Magazine Patreon 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.720 page where we are. We're gathering patrons for the Bear 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.720 Hunting Magazine YouTube channel and this podcast. Check out Bear 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.440 Hunting Magazine, the world's only print bear hunting magazine. And 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.920 good luck if you're still spring bear hunting. It's like 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:24.680 prime time right now, first weeks of June, and without 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:36.000 further ado, Aaron Snyder Toofaro, here we go. We're rolling, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:41.079 all right. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. This 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.480 is one of the podcasts on our Montana tour Colby 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.239 Moorehead and I are coming back from Montana on a 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.640 do it yourself bear hunt. We hauled our mules up 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.960 to Montana and we were coming back through Denver. So 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:01.000 Colorado is in between Montana and Northwest Arkansas. And uh, 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:06.040 we are here at Kfaru and Wheat Ridge, Colorado. Is 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.000 that right, Aaron? That's correct? Wheat Rich Colorado, the Kafaro 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:14.120 World headquarters. Because it's pretty stinking impressive to really is. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.280 But I've got we're here with Aaron Snyder, and uh, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.559 for people who wouldn't Aaron, you're a hard guy to describe. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.720 But for for people who wouldn't know Aaron Snyder, which 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.400 some of you may not, but I figured a lot 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.040 of you do. Aaron, first of all, he works for 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.920 Kafaru and Kafaru is a is a they make backpacks 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.520 that make shelters there. I'm gonna let you describe what is. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:44.080 But Aaron hosts a podcast. Aaron does outdoor writing. Aaron 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:49.000 is a prolific archer, got into traditional archery the last 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.040 several years. He's a heck of a hunter. He's a 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.440 heck of a shot. Kind of you got got started 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.840 on rock slide the forum a long time ago. I 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.720 us A lot of people knew you through that, Aaron, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.320 through gear related stuff. I started that website, you started 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.000 rock Slide, and now you are the infamous Aaron Snyder 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.600 probably a good way to describe it. Yeah, but hey, 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.839 you're also a big bear hunter and an honest podcast. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.840 We don't always just talk about bear hunting. But h 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:27.240 but Aaron Man, how would you introduce yourself? Um? Well, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.360 I'm the I'm the now president and CEO of Kafaro International. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.119 Um I yeah, I got started just doing gear review, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.880 started a website, rock Slide. Uh, got on a different podcast, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.719 Gritty Bowman kind of was a co host there. And 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.520 I'm a bit introverted. I'm not too good at being 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.760 in public with a large group of people, which to 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.760 my probably downfall. But I get to spend, as you know, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.200 a hundred and fifty two hundred plus nights a year 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.760 in the wilderness. I end up lucky enough to go 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.360 on hunts a year. Um, and so you know, for 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.280 for me, I try to just help people as much 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.560 as I can, both with the gear obviously designing gear 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.000 not just for KAfari but multiple other companies as well. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.560 And uh, you know, my goal really wasn't to get 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.960 into the industry like a lot of people's. My goal 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.920 was to get into the woods and stay there as 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.320 much as I could, and in the industry ended up 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.400 being a byproduct of it. Um. So yeah, that's probably 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.120 not the best description in the world. But what were 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.200 your original introductions to hunting there and you did you 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.520 grow up in a hunting family. Oh? My my home No, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.800 not really no, um a little bit. My hometown is 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.720 um a couple of hundred people in the middle of 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.880 the Pacific Crest Trail. It's an organ it runs kind 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.920 of right by my hometown. It's a logging community. And 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.240 my dad hunted a little and you know, got me 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.039 into fishing and the outdoors. But I'm one of those 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.640 guys from from birth with it was just eating up 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.600 alive with hunting, survival fishing. I picked mushrooms as a 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.480 kid Ford school clothes, um, you know, instead same thing 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.320 to for my first bow, um, and it was one 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.440 of those things that um I got. I don't know 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.280 what that is beating, but anyway, it was one of 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.839 those things I literally could not get in the woods 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:17.080 enough and that never never left even to this day. UM, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.520 I mean, you see how much I get to to 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.359 hunt and I can't. You can get sick of hunting. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.159 I will say that you can't get tired of it 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.680 where you need a break. But UM, you know, if 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.800 I had a choice, whether it be photography, which is 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.760 something else I'm really into, or hunting, as long as 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.520 I'm in the outdoors, I'm I'm in my element. Yeah, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.720 what was So? What was the first animal you took 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.000 with the I mean in the Oregon what were you hunting? 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.360 It's probably illegal, be honest with you, UM, not a 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.279 lot of law in a statutes, you know, I'm trying 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.839 to remember. I'm I'm quite certain that probably, you know, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.680 being honest, it probably wasn't the most legal method of 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.480 take at that time. But there's not a lot of 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.360 people or anything like that where I'm from. But I 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.560 I think it was a black tail deer. Actually, no, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.680 it was legal. The first one I shot was a 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.320 black tail fokard horn. I was probably eleven or twelve 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.360 years old. Um, I had just taken my Hunter's Safety 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.320 card or got my hunter safety card, so I was 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:17.440 probably twelve, and I didn't hunt as much when I 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.440 was uh younger. I was on a trail crew team, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.200 and I got to do a lot of backpacking through 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:26.120 the wilderness. UM learned a lot about what ended up 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.320 being backpack hunting. UM. I fished a ton when I 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.080 was younger, and I hunted a bunch of me and 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.640 A hunted during seasons. But it wasn't very good at it. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.160 I didn't have a great mentor. UM. You know that 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.440 came you know later, where I you know, got better 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.440 and better better the more more I hunted. And I 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.520 definitely more self taught, you know, which is probably why 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.480 I tried to take so many people under my wing. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.560 It's a rough road when you're self taught. So you 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.280 got a lot of bumps. Tell us about somebody who 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.400 doesn't like I wouldn't have Probably five years ago, I 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:00.920 didn't know. I didn't know about Kafara. But it's pretty 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.800 incredible company. I mean, you just gave us a tour, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.360 a short tour the headquarters here, and everything is American made. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.200 Everything is made right here in Colorado. Every component of 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.560 the packs, the shelters, the clothing, all the stuff that 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.480 you're making. I'd say that's super unique. And I know 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.360 that everything I think I've heard, maybe you said before. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.920 But I mean there's no there's no corners cut really 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.480 on anything. You're trying to use the best possible materials, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:35.720 the lightest white materials, and just not always the lightest weight. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.280 Definitely the best bang for the buck. It may be 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.920 a little heavier sometimes but more durable, but the most functional. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.400 Sometimes sometimes it is the lightest weight. Um yeah it 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:50.000 it uh uh. Cafar Oh actually was started by Patrick Smith, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.079 who who started Mountain Smith, which is back in the 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.280 day was an extremely large mountaineering or backpacking company. Um. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.920 He sold that and then started Kafaro Internet. Sal uh 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.960 he isn't put it's a rhino and Swahili so rhino 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.400 tough gear when that comes from and Patrick, who's basically 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.960 like a father to me. Now, um you know the 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.400 short version. I came in here to test the pack 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.600 and write a review about it, and I was like 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.000 a bad penny. I guess I never went away. He 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.160 had daughters. Um, you know all daughters and their husbands 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.520 aren't early into hunting or the outdoors, and um it 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.280 was a good fit. I think he uh saw in 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.120 me a lot of him and his youth of um 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.200 from survival or eating marmots or you know, it's one 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.720 of those. I just did a podcast with someone else 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.079 and they like one of the things. Patrick's like, you know, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.520 you ever had a mormaot And I was like, well, yeah, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.200 of course I've had a mormot. Well, most people this 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.080 day and age haven't eaten marmot or squirrel or e. Yeah. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.959 We talked about that on the podcast. You gotta skin 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.240 him from the leg up. By the way of they 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.080 taste kind of panty in Alaska, that's all I know. Yeah, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.559 they do, they do everywhere. Um, they're not great either. 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.600 They're a little tough sometimes, but I've eaten just about everything. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.440 But those were things he was maybe quizzing me before 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.360 I worked. Here. We're backpack and we're back back into 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.880 a lake, you know, keep minding seventy six now, um, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.960 so sixty nine and we'd hike in and I think, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.439 as uh, he's a he should have been a teacher 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.679 or a you know, professor. He's very intelligent. His I 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.600 feel dumb when I'm around him. His vocabularies off. He's 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.760 been on the podcast some Yeah, I hadn't listened to 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.600 it yet, but I want to. I want to hear him. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.040 he's I was trying to get him liquored up, because 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.400 he's much funnier when he's whisked at a little whiskey 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.760 in him. But uh, he would uh you know, I 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.720 think he wanted to be able to teach me more, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.280 but I had had had good Um he's taught me 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.520 more about being a man than he taught I didn't. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.720 There was a whole lot because that that phrase could 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.840 mean a lot of things. Well, you hear people a 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.360 lot of people talk about let's say, you know, like 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.960 extreme ownership. Well that's not just some stuff you put 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.560 on a T shirt. You know that that means owning 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.840 up to you know, whether it's your fault or not. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.959 And as you take over a large company one way 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.199 or another, it's your fault. Whether it's your fault or not, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.400 in the end, it's your fault, right. So and and 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.480 obviously I had some leadership um uh skills behind me before. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.760 But he also taught me to you know, calm down. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.640 Um a pretty high strung guy, and uh he taught 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.960 you know, he also, you don't need to take over 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.520 the world. You need to be happy. And you know 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.160 he even worries about me now stressing out and and 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.839 he is the kind of guy that if I was 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.800 super stressful, no matter what was going on, he'd walk 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:34.920 in and be like, you need to go out in 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.000 the woods. And he's like, you know, take four or 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:41.000 five days and uh, you know, get away. And also 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.600 that when you when you test things, um, you know, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.960 not answering this question very well, but he would not 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.800 come out with some products for ten years of testing. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.280 And so he you know, never rush anything like take 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.160 as long as it needs to be to be tested, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.960 which is why we don't have a lot of failure years, um, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.400 you know. And so I just uh, you know, as 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.200 far as taking care of family, uh, everything like that 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.040 and just being a better person. Um, you know, he's 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.480 been very good at me about that. As far as 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.800 the outdoors, there wasn't a whole lot for me to learn. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.199 I'm not not saying that on a bragging aspect. It's 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.680 just I've been able to do so much what I 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.760 did need to learn or what he wanted to teach me. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.560 I'm not a gun guy, and so he's a reloading fool. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.360 I might as well be talking about golf. It's just 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.880 not my thing. And I he actually made fun of 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.840 me a bit for being a bow hunter. He's like, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.280 why do you do that? Not youren't gonna kill anything, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.880 and he didn't say it like that, but basically, and 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.200 I'm like, no, I'm pretty good with this thing, you know. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.520 And I think the first year I worked here, I 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.400 think I put a flipped over seventeen or twenty animals 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.679 and he never brought it up again. Um So now 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.640 he's very intrigued following along because I'll go on hunts 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.280 like that our dad hunted. He's out dad hunted and 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.960 was like, man, that's almost in possible. And got him 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.960 with a stick, him with a stick on first day. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.600 Basically run a mile to get him, but I got 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.600 him either way. Hey, let me let me go back 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.760 to Let me go back to uh the question that 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.720 you said, because I liked what you said about you 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.320 learned how to be a man. What would you say, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.760 Aaron is like inside of that process? How are you 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.800 forty two or something? Working on what? What have been 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.679 your biggest struggles inside of life? Not not even talking 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.040 about bow hunting, but I mean you, I appreciate your 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.439 and I think this is why people like you and 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.840 respect you even if they don't like you is is 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.400 your your your It's clear that your passion and extreme 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.000 dedication to the things you commit yourself to are legit 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.240 and honestly, most people don't have the internal technology or 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.880 architecture inside of them to really commit themselves to something. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:03.439 Um what so what? What would have been struggles inside 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.320 of your life that you have overcome that? And that's 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.560 a broad, sweeping question and a personal question. That's a 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.920 good question. I tell you what I haven't overcome is 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.360 over commitment. Um. You know, and you hear all kinds 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.920 of stories about me that I'm like a royal a 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.000 hole to some people, and then you talk to guys 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:24.640 that are close to me and they're like, He's the 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.400 most giving dude I've ever met in my life. I 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.000 mean to a point. Jake Jake Downs is a guy 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.840 that recently and I come friends and he's like worried. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.120 I've been so nice to him. And one of the 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.160 things when you're that nice, sometimes you over commit. I'll 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.160 overcommit on hunts. We just talked about that, where, Um, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.040 you know, I I get I want to help so 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.480 many people and then I end up letting some of 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.280 them down. That's a problem I price struggle with was 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.880 my whole life because you just can't, you know, with 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.240 a busy schedule. I do my best. But one of 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.560 the things I've said I've i've overcome the most is 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.200 my I have a temper. I have a when I 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.400 say temper, not fly off the handle all the time, 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.320 passive aggressive temper. I'll let things slide and slide and slide, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.400 and the next thing you know, I'm choke slimming a dude. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.360 Um true story, Like that's happened many times to where 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.200 and Patrick's helped out with that where I really have 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.360 been able to take a big step back, look at 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:23.560 the giant, broader picture, um assess and then get everyone together, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.320 whether it be just me and another guy or me 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.280 and twenty other people, and kind of assess and look 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.800 at it from all sides of the fence, if that 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.600 makes any sense. Like there's always if you and I 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.200 have an issue and you talk to a guy, you're 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.640 gonna be right. And I'm looking at kolbe Jack here 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.680 and if I'm gonna be right if they talk to me. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.800 I've gotten really good at taking a step back and say, hey, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.160 I'm I'm owning up to this part of it. But 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.000 this parts yours man, and and and that's been something 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.960 I've really tried to work on as a leader in 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.360 a person, just being direct with people. Yeah, and it's 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.240 it's hard for people. It's very hard for people to 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.360 be I like people to be very direct me. Um 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.160 that people do not deal well with that. Let me 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:09.240 ask you something about I think part of part of 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:14.600 manhood is also humility. And what's interesting and I think 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:21.000 what people perceive about you is that you're because I mean, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:26.880 some people could say, um, well, there's a there's a 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.480 part of just knowing who you are and confidence in 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.880 your identity. Just as I just am what I am 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.160 and I'm not gonna undersell it and I'm not gonna 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.360 oversell it. I just am who I am. And I 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.840 think you're good at uh, you're good at just saying hey, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.240 I'm a good traditional archery shot. I've committed the last 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.680 three years of my life to becoming that. And if 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.880 some people said it, they would say that guy is arrogant, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.800 that guy is blowing smoke. You know, people still say 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.320 that about me all the time. I think they do. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.680 But and they may, they may, and maybe they have 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.360 the right to say that. But I think that what 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.320 you have that I have seen dealing with you on 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:12.720 a personal level is I think you're I think humility 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.520 is inside there, which is good. Let me just put 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.280 it that way, because I talked to a few people 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.120 about this, because I'm like, I don't consider myself arrogant. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.720 I consider myself very confident. But from what I know 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.680 of arrogant people, they're not able to say I suck 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.440 at this, or this was my fault, or where I'm 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.480 the first guy to say I suck at guns, or man, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.560 I'm horrible a paperwork, or hey, Clay, I'm an idiot. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.960 I forgot to send you this article. You know what 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.840 if And I think that's what I'm saying is that 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:48.399 you're you take responsibility, You're you're just confident in who 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.440 you are. And I think that's what I think, that's 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.159 what all of us really are are are trying to do, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.280 is just walking our identity. One thing that we talked 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.280 a lot about inside of our church and stuff is identity. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.600 Knowing who you are. Identity is power. Yeah, really I 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.000 didn't know, and who you are in in and not 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.639 trying to be something you're not and not trying to 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.960 you know, just you are who you are and and 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.840 utilizing all the things that that you have for for 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.840 the minute what you're doing. No, I agree, And I'm 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.040 as far as on the spiritual side, I'm a bit 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.160 of an odd duck because I am not the most 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.480 spiritual person in the world. But I watched Joe Alstein 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.920 the blinker um and he he didn't think that this 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.879 was gonna happen, was going to come up. I'm a 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.000 unique dude when and I you know, I say, as 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.040 I say that, I'm sure I'll get arrogant comments about that. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.720 But like I've read the book The Five Love Languages 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.679 like three times to make sure I'm a good husband. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.440 The first time I read it was because I got 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.879 a divorce, um, and it actually helped me pick up chicks. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.560 The second time I read it because I didn't want 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.280 to lose one. And the third time I read it 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.720 motivation there I don't know, you know, and it was 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.840 I mean being honest. And the third time I read 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.240 it is to make sure I keep the one I 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:07.000 got um. And there are times and and things that 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.960 I will like with Joelstein. Am I watching it for 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.920 maybe the same reasons you two are, Maybe maybe not, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.320 But I'm definitely watching it to become a better person. 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.960 And when he had talked about that, and and Amy 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.520 is a bit of enamored my wife from time to 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.040 time because I'll I'll say, yeah, man, I can shoot, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.199 you know what I can shoot? And then you talk 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.960 about Turkey combat. Man, I suck with a diaphragm. I 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.400 just can't. I can't do it, man, that's all you. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.160 I don't find that. I like people that have those 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.800 characteristics to where one of the reasons I Frank and 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.320 Jake down some Cody, three guys that are I'm super 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.320 close with is they'll do the same thing. They'll they're 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.000 gonna tell me they're strong points, and I want to 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.800 hear them, and they're gonna be honest with their week 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.159 because those are just important as a strong ones. Like 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.119 if you think I'm all all not me, someone is 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.440 all everything in the world, and then you find out 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.280 pretty soon they they are deficient in in half of 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.399 them and excellent in the other half. That's bad. You 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.359 need to know the deficiencies. And so I try to 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.000 just be as upfront as I can of what I'm 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.800 good at or not good at. That's a good that's 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.720 a good segue to maybe, uh, a couple of other things. 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:17.720 Let me go ahead and say just for because we 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.760 I've already got off track here, but I don't really 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.240 have a track. I wanted to talk to you about kafaro. 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.760 I wanted to talk to you about some about your 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.280 traditional archery. There's We've got quite a few listeners that 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.960 I think listen to this podcast because we don't focus 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.840 on traditional archery, but you know, we end up talking 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.280 about it because I've hunt quite a bit with trad 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.200 equipment um. And then thirdly I want to eventually get 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.399 two bears. Um. But but it's good to hear a 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.160 little bit about the you know, kind of your backstory 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:51.240 and uh and really some of your maybe motivations and 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.680 maybe maybe that's a good question. We'll take this question 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.000 and then we'll go to trad archery. Okay, all right? 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.240 What what are your what are your goals inside of hunting? Mean? 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.159 Like if you get to hunt as much as you 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.400 do And that's even a broader statement from even a professional, 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.640 because I know you're in the outdoor industry, Um, like 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.440 what are you what are you trying to do? Aaron? 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.600 What would what would the end goal of Aaron Snyder 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.680 in twenty years if everything goes away that you would 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.960 hope it would. What what would that be? You know? 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.359 Somebody asked me this recently, and I don't think they 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.080 got the answer out of me. I wanted, honestly, my 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.000 my number one goal is to be able to go 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.439 hunt all the time and be off social media. I 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.359 do not like social media at all, but I'm forced. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.800