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Speaker 1: Clay Nucoleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'll also be your host into the world of hunting

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Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? Aaron? What would what

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Speaker 1: would the end goal of Aaron Snyder? In twenty years

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Speaker 1: what would that be? You know? Somebody asked me this

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Speaker 1: of me. I wanted, honestly. Might We stopped in Denver

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Speaker 1: Colby and I were on our way back from Montana

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Speaker 1: and had an awesome conversation where we've talked about some

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Speaker 1: of Aaron's motivations, some of his background and hunting, why

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine, the world's only print bear hunting magazine. And

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Speaker 1: good luck if you're still spring bear hunting. It's like

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Speaker 1: prime time right now, first weeks of June, and without

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Speaker 1: further ado, Aaron Snyder Toofaro, here we go. We're rolling,

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Speaker 1: all right. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. This

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Speaker 1: that right, Aaron? That's correct? Wheat Rich Colorado, the Kafaro

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Speaker 1: I'll have a goal like we're talking about, I'm really

427
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: wanting to shoot, um a really big mountain goat, try

428
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: to shoot the largest with a stickbow. But that's not

429
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: because I'm an enter in the record book. That's just

430
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: because I'm a goal oriented guy. Really not, you know,

431
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: That's just what I'm going in with. But it's the

432
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: way my brain works. Like when people said I couldn't

433
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: kill an now dad with a stickbow, I really was like, yeah,

434
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna figure it out.

435
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: You know and if I don't get it done, yeah,

436
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm I And it's so just from where does that

437
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: come from? Aaron? Like? Because it it? It's it. Do

438
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: you have something to prove? You know? Because Lander has

439
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: so Lander was a shrink, right, did you know it? All? Right? So?

440
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: Landers had me on the couch multiple times. I've got

441
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: some dad issues in this talking about we're talking about

442
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: Jeff Lander with Primitive Outfit and British Columbia, my dad

443
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: who you skipped out on me because I'm gonna be

444
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: there next week and Aaron was supposed to be there.

445
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have this podcast in British Columbia over

446
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: the hot of a dead bear with the smell of

447
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: bloody hands. But it was the one outside. We do

448
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: have a bloody we do have a bear hide in

449
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: the mule trailer. Aeron. We're clo man, We're totally get

450
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: out track. We're training mules as we speak. Did you

451
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: know that I've got a bear hide trailer with with

452
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: my young mule who wouldn't let me put the bear

453
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: hide on her, and so she's been riding with the

454
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: bear hide in the trailer for the last five or

455
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: six hours. It's been below forty degrees, so anyway motivation, no, no,

456
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: no proven something that got something to prove a man,

457
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: I would say, um m m. And hopefully my mom

458
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: doesn't listen to this. I do not have a great

459
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: relationship with my dad at all, um, and he not

460
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: a great dad and it wasn't really you never got

461
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: a good job from him ever. And if I was

462
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: to guess, that's between him and then my coach football,

463
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: coach Perkins in a good way, My coach Perkins. Uh

464
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: that um, you know one basically left me to like,

465
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: is anything ever good enough? In the reality was he

466
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: just never paid enough attention. But and then Perkins showing

467
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: me you can anything is attainable as a human if

468
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: you work at it hard enough. Because really influential. Oh yeah,

469
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I'd kill building full of people to keep him safe.

470
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: He's the guy for me and uh and I do

471
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: a bad job of keeping up with him, but he's

472
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: he's been on the podcast before. But really a turning

473
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: point in my life because as a pecker head, as

474
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: a kid, I fought a lot um to where he

475
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, he he made you want to be a

476
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: better person. And when you succeeded or you failed, he

477
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: was there to say, suck it up, man, butch up,

478
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to try harder. And when you succeeded,

479
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: he was there to say, hey, man, that's what happens

480
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: when you know you put the work in, and that

481
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: work ethic is what carried through. Now as I say

482
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: that I have trouble filing my taxes, I can't remember

483
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: to take the garbage out. But if you want a

484
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: race to the top of a mountain, or you tell

485
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: me something can't be done, I'm gonna find a way

486
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna try. Um. And I think, uh, that

487
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of discipline, you know, and and and that ability

488
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: to not do very good at failing came from those

489
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: one my dad who's and then sorry you might want

490
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: to write down and then uh perfect, Um, you know,

491
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of other people along the way. But

492
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I think that's what you know at that young of

493
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: an age. I'm amazed how much that in a good

494
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: and bad way? So where where does that Where does

495
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: that stop? Aaron? I don't know if it ever will,

496
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: probably till the day I die. I mean it hasn't yet.

497
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Well you know what I think, I think, insight, it's

498
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: probably the most powerful tool that we have as humans

499
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: to be able to perceive the things because everything that's

500
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: happened to us does have influence on us. I mean really,

501
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: like I mean I think about I think about my

502
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: hunting because I mean that's a big focal point inside

503
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: my life. I mean, aside from obviously my family and

504
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: my wife, my children are absolute number one priority, but

505
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean from a outside of that, I mean, hunting

506
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: is a focal point. And I my dad was he

507
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: was a great dad, and he he was a bow

508
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: hunt or he was bo hunting before bo hunting was cool.

509
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: But I received a ton of validation. The most validation

510
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that I received as a kid was when I killed

511
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: something brought it home and Dad was like, good job.

512
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, And so sometimes I look at that Aaron

513
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: now and say, am I still you know you gotta

514
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: you gotta monitor your motivations, Like am I Am I

515
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: still chasing validation inside of this? And is that the

516
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: correct thing for my life? And you know, these are

517
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: things I think about all the time because the decisions

518
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: you make inside of your life and motivations for what

519
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: you do are significant, you know. But now I'm glad

520
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: the podcast is going down this road because sometimes we're

521
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: not very serious on our podcast all the time, and

522
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: there's a lot of quite honestly, your listeners may not

523
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: want to listen to it. It's explicit and and there's

524
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: not a lot of serious talk on there. And and

525
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm not very good. I'm not uh, Donnie Vincent or

526
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: Brian call where I'm gonna write a poem, right, I'm

527
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: not gonna do it, right it when it comes to motivation, um,

528
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: like I think people uh, without coming off to two

529
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: ar again, I mean in the at the bottom line,

530
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: you've got you, right, and that's all you've got. And

531
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: that's one thing I like about bow hunting is I

532
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: can't rely blame anyone else, right, it's all on you.

533
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: And when I say on you, meaning you can buy

534
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: the best gear in the world, right, mine is paying

535
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: for outfitters. You can buy gimme hunts, but let's just

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: publicly and hunts. Um. You know, it's all what you

537
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: put into it, and it's common sense and field craft

538
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: and in the whole nine yards and at the end

539
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: of the day, right, I mean, you've got you and

540
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: you're the only one to blame. And I think that's

541
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I like, um, solo backpack hunts,

542
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: not necessarily solo, but backpack hunting is it's it's it's

543
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: all on you. Um. I prefer that so. But I

544
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: think though, if I was going to give people, you know, advice,

545
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: is um, you know you get uh, you know, getting

546
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: into the industry stuff? What am I get? You know?

547
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: How do I get into the industry? And and and

548
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: all these different questions and you know, really, if you

549
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: just focus on what you're doing, being the most successful hunter,

550
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, the most successful hunter,

551
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the most successful shot, the best shot you can, industry

552
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: is probably gonna come to you. Um. Well, when you

553
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: need an article, you go to guys that shoot bears. Right,

554
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to guys that go on bear hunts. Generally,

555
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: you're going on the guys who going bear hunts. In

556
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: success people want to hear a success story. Well, if

557
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: you focus on bear hunting, you shoot bears, Clay, maybe

558
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: getting a hold of you, right, and rather than focusing

559
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: on selfies and in the gym, right, nothing nothing wrong

560
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: with going to the gym. I go every day, but

561
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: focus on what you're wanting to do, and if that's

562
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: be a greater, better hunter. Probably me forget some part

563
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: of what what you said originally was that your goal

564
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: is just to be a hunter man. I'm just like

565
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: you in terms of getting into the outdoor industry. I

566
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: never had a goal to be in the outdoor industry.

567
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: I never had a goal to make a living in

568
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: the outdoor industry. But my passion for it it found me,

569
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I built my life back when

570
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I had no intentions of ever being at full time

571
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry. I built my life around a

572
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: prioritization of being in the woods when the white oak

573
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: leaves turn maroon around October. That's what I That's what

574
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: I built. Aside it from other motivations inside a family,

575
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: I've had my own business because of that, and then

576
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: things began to happen. But to this day, Colby and

577
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: I were talking today Guys a lot of guys that

578
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: do video. I hear them talking. It's it's like their

579
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: passion is video and they love to hunt, so they

580
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: do hunting videos. And and to me it's you know,

581
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: and I think to you as well, and I think

582
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to a lot of people it's reversed to that. My

583
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: passion is hunting. And then from that stems, well, we

584
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: are gonna make media, We're gonna do video, we're gonna

585
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: do photography, and so. But it's fueled from this place

586
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: of man, we're hunters, and and I think that's a

587
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: good that's a good core motivation. Not I want to

588
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: be a famous hunter or not that I want to

589
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: be well known, but it's just, man, that's I want

590
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: to hunt. I wanna be a good hunter. I constantly

591
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: respected growing up, just guys that were the real deal,

592
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: legit guys that weren't looking for validation. I mean, they

593
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: weren't looking for fame. They weren't looking to take their

594
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: buck down and show it off at the parking lot.

595
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Even though I like to do that. That's good, but

596
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: but the guys that were just legit, well, that's where

597
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: that conflict internally comes from. For me, the first thing

598
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I do social media not bringing the deer down to

599
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: the same thing though, right, The first thing I do

600
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: is because I kind of I don't have to, but

601
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I put it on social media. Well, I mean, I'm

602
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: in the business of selling backpacks and I have to

603
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: get my name out there. And if you don't post

604
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: what you've done you're kind of become inconsequential. You you

605
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: become non existent, and so you have to I want

606
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: to get to a point where I don't have to,

607
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: all right, I just can go hunting and not have

608
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: to worry about it. So, um as I say that,

609
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: I have been very blessed, obviously, I just I started

610
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: a narrow company with a guy broadheads of this company here. Um,

611
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I get to hunt more than i'd probably anyone day there,

612
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, I get to hunt a ton, and so

613
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I've been very blessed. It's just at the end of

614
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: the road, I would like to just be able to

615
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: go hunting and photography. I'm about as addictive to photography

616
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: as I am traditional archery, and that's some great stuff.

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I love your Instagram, Yeah yeah, but liking your princes

618
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like you can really tell to a passion.

619
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: Does that Does that ever help like bring calmerce slowness

620
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: to you? Uh like hunting sometimes? No, not somewhat, you

621
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: know what. I what It's kind of weird with photography.

622
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: For a few years there I helped more than I

623
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: hunted by far and the way the industry works. And

624
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys specifically who like talked Craps

625
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: saying and well, he never kills anything, he just helps people.

626
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, what does the industry come to

627
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: to where it's bad that I'm helping so many people?

628
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Because I I had shot enough stuff that I just

629
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: like going along and taking pictures. Well, obviously in the

630
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: position I mean now I kind of had to do

631
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a role reversal and just start

632
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: piling up animals. Um, but I'm lucky enough now where

633
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: I'll take the camera with me and photograph my own

634
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: hunts as well as many others. And uh, you know,

635
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: you start talking about the reasons why you're out there.

636
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: If you're out there to get more social media likes,

637
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: you're out there for the wrong reason in in my opinion.

638
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: If that's a byproduct of it, great, but you should

639
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: be out there for the love of the animal, the

640
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: love of the outdoors, the love of the sport, whatever

641
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. And for me, I think that shows. Uh,

642
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: with the guys I hang out with it, they could

643
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: care less if you know they're out there to hunt

644
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: and and everything else that buy product of that. Yeah. Yeah,

645
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: I just think like a lot of your still images

646
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: really capture something, you know, I definitely I wrote an

647
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: article about it, and you know, stopping time, that's what

648
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I try and do, you know, and and video is

649
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: much better bright and I suck at video. Like my

650
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: my meal deer hunt was horrible as me looking like

651
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: I was in a concentration camp daily in my tent

652
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: because the only time I turn it on. But I

653
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: had amazing photos of the hunt. And if I can

654
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: get um, you know, the best time is like in

655
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: the misery of the hunt, if I can get a

656
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: photo of that that really shows like like there's a

657
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: photo of of my wife and she's got baggy eyes.

658
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: She just woke up the stings coming out of the

659
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: coffee where in that she's got her head lamp on,

660
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: and it truly stopped. You could tell, like Jesus, she's tired.

661
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: It's first thing in the morning, she's drinking coffee. I

662
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: find nothing more gratifying than as much as shooting an animal,

663
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: almost as being all, yeah, yeah, there's one on the

664
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: wall back here of a of a of a doll

665
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: sheep that I that I took that as another time

666
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: where the guy's coming over the hill. Anyway, it's one

667
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: of those where I'm like, I remember that like it

668
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: was yesterday and was able to stop that time for

669
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: a moment and for guys to remember it. So yeah, right, um,

670
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: traditional archery, Aaron. Um, So to three years ago you

671
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: started shooting trad archer thousand six, I'm gonna make a

672
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a claim here, um, and we're not

673
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: gonna test it. So it's just gonna people are just

674
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to make their own decision. I think at

675
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: ten yards I could shoot with you with a trad bow.

676
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: I think if we could go out in the parking

677
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: lot right now by my mule trailer, ten yards, I

678
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: could shoot with you. Aaron, I agree, Um, because I know,

679
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I know that you're you're you're a gap shooter, So

680
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: ten yards is probably a little tough. Well, actually, ten

681
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: yards you'd you'd be in trouble. Um, eighteen to twenty two,

682
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: you might have trouble. But I don't shoot gap the

683
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: whole I shoot gap out about twenty eight and and out.

684
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: I shoot gap. I shoot instinctive inside of that, and uh,

685
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, with with traditional archery, the first thing I'll

686
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: say is I was catapulted ahead of everyone else because

687
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: of the clumps with brock Hume out right here. I

688
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: was just there shooting before it came over here. Um

689
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: and I started shooting a stick bow actually more as

690
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: to prove a point. Did a podcast I've told this

691
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: story about the meantime, did a podcast on ethical shooting

692
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: distance because I was the the a hole dropping bombs

693
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: in a hundred yards and animals sometimes or even further

694
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: with a compound and anyway, um wait, I can't even

695
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: say a hole. Um, I'm just the uh. I gotta

696
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: remember that for the when I keep talking. Um, I

697
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: an acronyms are sketchy, Okay, gotcha. So I pretty much

698
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: had broke down, you know, as far as what's ethical

699
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: for a compound and a stick bow and and and

700
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I had made fun of stick boy hunters forever um

701
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: and was about the farthest thing from a traditional archer.

702
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: And I got a bunch of emails after that podcast

703
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: about your your crappy hunter, your you know, pick up

704
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: a stick bow and see how successful you are. And

705
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: the way my mind works, which is I think Tom

706
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: clumb is, I don't know if I enamored, but he's

707
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: amazed by how my my brain works. And I sold

708
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: every piece of compound equipment. I had literally inside of

709
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: a week, I had a giant water of cash. I

710
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: walked down to Rocky Mountain Specialty Gear and well the

711
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: rest is history now. So yeah, that's how you got

712
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: into it. Well the errand I had a so thirty

713
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: seconds about my traditional archery career. Grew up compound hunting

714
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand five, started shooting a stick bow with

715
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: somebody gave it to me, but never hunted with it. Uh,

716
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: killed my first gear maybe in two thousand seven, but

717
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: it was just like a half hat, you know. It

718
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm gonna try this for a couple

719
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: of hunts, had been shooting, but then in two six

720
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: It was a long story, but I ended up. I

721
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: ended up through a unique situation, ended up giving away

722
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: my bow two weeks before season, my compound bow, and

723
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really intentional, it was just something I

724
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to do, so I did it.

725
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: And so the only thing that I had come in

726
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: two weeks into season and sen was the stick bow,

727
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: and I had killed by that time, I guess I

728
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: had killed. I had killed two bears with it, and

729
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: I had killed a deer with it. Killed the coyote

730
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: with it, you know, but just peddled, never never committed.

731
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: In sixteen is when that's all I had. And so

732
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: I went into the sixteen season and uh and and

733
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: killed seven animals in a row, two bears, four deer

734
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: in a mountain lion with the traad bow that year.

735
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: And it was a unique situation just like what you did.

736
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: It's like when you have no other choice and you're

737
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: a hunter, I mean you it almost it almost felt

738
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: like I was a caveman that they dropped out in

739
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: the woods and you know, you had sent you and

740
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: some juniper and uh, some stone points, and you were like,

741
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: you gotta survive. I mean that's why I felt, I

742
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: mean even inside of from an outdoor media position, I

743
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: mean like I understand, you know, I mean we're hunting

744
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: and we're gathering content for It's like I needed to

745
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I needed to take some game. Yeah, and it but

746
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: it but it was such a powerful experience to just

747
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: be like I will either be successful with this or not.

748
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: And I had a good streak and uh but anyway,

749
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: so it sounds like that's what you did. You went

750
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: cold turkey there for a year and then you got

751
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: out of it for a while per year, well eight,

752
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: you know whatever part of one season. It's um was

753
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: for a couple of different reasons. One, the amount of

754
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: money I lost in endorsement contracts is crappy, right, And

755
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: you don't get paid to shoot a stick from okay,

756
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: from compounds from compound. Yeah, and uh, there was a

757
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of a lot, a lot of pressure. But even

758
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: today there's pressure to shoot a compound. I can shoot

759
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: one pretty well and and um be successful with it,

760
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: but how much the really the like the end of

761
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: it of the compound was in in with Jeff Lander

762
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: and we're in Alberta. I made a ridiculous stock, I

763
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: mean like a one in a million chance to pull

764
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: this off, and I made it, shot a buck and

765
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: not much excitement was going on adrenaline with the compound.

766
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: And then Brian Broderick was with me. He's a guy

767
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: partnered up with on day six Um Broderick. The same

768
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: day that afternoon we went on a stock and the

769
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: adrenaline level I had when he had his longbow in

770
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: my hand and he knew what he could see it

771
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: in my eyes. He's like, yeah, he's coming back to

772
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: the dark side or the bright side. And everyone look

773
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: at it. And when he shot that animals, I don't know,

774
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: seven yards or something. Um, I was you know, in

775
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: my mind, I didn't tell anybody. In my mind, I'm thinking, man,

776
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: this is what is my passion? Like, what am I

777
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: doing shooting the compound? Um? And I you know, there's

778
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: always there's a lot of compound guys that hate on

779
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: stickbow guys. I was one of them, and you know

780
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: they used as an excuse to suck um. And I thought,

781
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, I, um, I think I can be a

782
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: success will or more so with this stick. I just

783
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: have to buckle down. And and I've never said this

784
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: before on a podcaster to anybody, but in my mind,

785
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm going to prove to myself I can

786
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: be more lethal with a stickbow than I ever was,

787
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: or anyone can be with a compound. And I'm again

788
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: I sound arrogant. I'm doing a good job. We got

789
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: first this podcast we talked about, but I I wanted

790
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: to be at a position and it's happened where if

791
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: a stickbo a compound guy is making fun of a

792
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: stickbow guy, I can be like the most Now I've

793
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of been humbled the last year with my stickbow.

794
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: But before that, errand when I came out of that,

795
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: the streak of I may have been seven. I think

796
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: it was seventeen when I had the the seven animals

797
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: in a row. You've got no choice but to feel

798
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: like and this is the way that I've said it,

799
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: when I pick up that stickbow, I have got to

800
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: feel like that I can kill any critter on the

801
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: planet in any situation or or or I'm not gonna

802
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: be successful because the thing that with the big transition

803
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: for me, um would have been that for years because

804
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: I told you I gotta well, I actually gotta stick bow.

805
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: In two thousand one, uh, David Albright Bowyer in Arkansas

806
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: gave me one. But for ten years I wasn't convinced

807
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: that it was an efficient killing weapon. I mean, I

808
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm not gonna kill stuff because this

809
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: bow won't kill stuff, which is ridiculous. They're extremely efficient weapon.

810
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: The mankind has been birthed on the meat harvested by

811
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: traditional boats for the last ten thousand years. Killed in

812
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: combat with arrows, and they have bullets in history, and

813
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: that's before a compound. Because nobody's died in combat from

814
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: a compound so giving an idea. Yeah, yeah, but that

815
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: but that attitude. So I'm identifying with that attitude of man,

816
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: I've got to know and not not doubt myself because

817
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: when you because so much a traditional archery is mental,

818
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean massively mental, and only as good as your

819
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: last shot, and if your last shot was a bad one,

820
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: you be able to be able to take it on

821
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: the chin and get back up, or you're gonna have

822
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: a long, long bad streak. Um. And that I mean,

823
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: that's really just how it is. Um. There's not really

824
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, any way around that. Um. I think Landers

825
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: brought up to me, He's like, what are you gonna

826
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen when you have a bad year? And

827
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna have a bad year. It's

828
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: like it's not in me. You know, I probably will, right,

829
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: but I'm like I can't let that go on in

830
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: my mind. I'm like, I got it. I'm just not

831
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: gonna have a bad year. Now. I've had some bad hunts.

832
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: You know. That mule deer hunt was one that UM

833
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: was was rough. Um. I pissed blood. I shouldn't have

834
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: said the P word p blood twice. UM had some

835
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of fungus on my hand. Um growing from whatever

836
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: in twelve days into it ten days a hunting whatever

837
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: it was, I still hadn't had a buck on the ground.

838
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, one pent season would have been over

839
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: the first day with a compound. Um Lander had told

840
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: me you will eventually get to a point where you

841
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: won't go on a stock and say I could have

842
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: killed it with my compound, and I didn't believe them,

843
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: but it has happened. It will still cross my mind.

844
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: But the feeling I get after I finally pulled it

845
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: off with a stick boat is far greater than anything

846
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: I've felt with a compound. It's more self fulfilling, I

847
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: guess you could say, um and so being driven our

848
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: goal oriented like I am and everything else. The stick

849
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: boat is just a good, good fit, and I have

850
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: had a good streak of success and hopefully that continues. Okay,

851
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: here's my next question is I'm I ask you a

852
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: question and then I gotta tell Colby something. But I

853
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: don't want to forget the question what comes after this

854
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: once you've accomplished it, because I know that happens inside

855
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: of me. I set a goal to do something, whether

856
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: it's a specific type of hunt, a specific way to

857
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: do it. So that's the question. You've got five seconds

858
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: to think about it, Kobe, why don't you go check

859
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: on our mules. We got our mules out in the

860
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: out in the parking lot. I had to do this

861
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: last podcast too, but I didn't do it on the air.

862
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, probably, once I get to a

863
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: point where I'm fulfilled enough, I guess with the stick bow,

864
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: I'll probably just help other guys and photographed their homes.

865
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that it will be another hunted. Do

866
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: you ever see yourself going more primitive? I mean, is

867
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: that's something you're interested in? Not not now, you know,

868
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean like stone I mean because the progression you know,

869
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: is to go to like a self bow with a

870
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: stone point and stuff like that. Yeah, no, not not now.

871
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: I might go to a long bow at some point,

872
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: which really might maybe a lateral transition. You know, it's

873
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: not really that different the um I don't not so

874
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: much um right now? That could change. Um really, if

875
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: I didn't have the love for photography and in photographing

876
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: other people's hunts, that might be different. But if I

877
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: get to a point where, um, you know, I'm like, yeah,

878
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, this is still fun, but man, I'd really

879
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: like to go with you know, Clay on a hunt.

880
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: I probably just travel around photographing hunts and occasionally hunting. Um,

881
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's gonna do You hear older

882
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: hunters talk about this transition, this natural transition inside of hunting,

883
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: and I bet you're just like me that when you

884
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: were thirty years old, you said, there's no way that

885
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: that's ever gonna happen. So the transition would be originally

886
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: you're just like interested in harvesting game, and then you

887
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: go to more goal orientation, which is like I want

888
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: to kill a specific animal in a specific way, in

889
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: a specific place. And then you get to this place

890
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: where you want to help others and and I've heard

891
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: some people talk negatively about that, like, man, I'll I'll

892
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: fight to never lose that drive to kill stuff. And

893
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: that's probably what I would have said ten years ago, Aaron,

894
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: because that's to me, that's a definer of a successful hunter,

895
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: is like this no quid attitude. And I mean, inside

896
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: of hunting, the goal is to harvest the target animal.

897
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: But and so I kind of feared that transition. But

898
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thirty nine. I'm I'm thirty nine years old

899
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the up check birthday here, and I sort of feel

900
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: it now I have I have four kids that hunt.

901
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: But I'm still massively driven for to harvest. And I'm

902
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: not saying that I don't want to, but I can

903
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: kind of see where, like and it's not something to

904
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: be afraid of, like getting to where you're talking about,

905
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: like where maybe there comes this point where you've proven

906
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: and I I track it inside of my help myself

907
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: by the goals that I've accomplished over the years, you know,

908
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: Like there was a point when I said, my goal

909
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: is to kill a three and a half year old

910
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: buck or older in Arkansas every year with a bow.

911
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: That was my goal when I was twenty five, and

912
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: at the time that was a massive goal in Arkansas

913
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: hunt is pretty tough. And I did it. I did

914
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: it for ten years and I was like, you know

915
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: what I can do that. I still enjoy killing the

916
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: buck in Arkansas with my bow. Um, now I've I've

917
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: transitioned to bears. I mean, like and then that's been

918
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: a lifelong thing. But like especially the last six years

919
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: with the magazine, it's like my my goals seemed to

920
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: be to travel all over North America killing bears in

921
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: different We just came back from Montown on spotting stock

922
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: mule based rifle hunt. I mean, and like that was

923
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: pretty thrilling to me, even from a long range. I mean,

924
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: we're carrying a best of the West long range husky

925
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: moss scope that I could have taken a bear at

926
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: a long ways And that was so different from what

927
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: I grew up in. It was kind of intriguing and

928
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: uh point being like, I've got this new set of goals,

929
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: but so are you afraid of that transitioner? No, it

930
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: could be a no brains, no headache thing, but um,

931
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna hit that transition. I'm different

932
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: in that way. If if as far as like being

933
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: uh without coming off sounding like a Neanderthal and I'm

934
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: desk Lander, He'll tell you you got about put a

935
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: shot caller on me. I haven't you know, people like, oh,

936
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: you'll be better trophy hunters you get older. Not so much.

937
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: It's not hitting me too much. I mean, being as

938
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: honest as I can be. Um, it's pretty bad. Um,

939
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: it's still bad. Like I haven't calmed down much and

940
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: but if it evolves, I mean, you know, that's maybe

941
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: my brain doesn't work quite that way. And I think

942
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: that in some ways, I guess it has evolved to

943
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: a little bit, but some of it's just by the

944
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: structure of the hunt. Meaning if I go to Oklahoma

945
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: and they say don't shoot a five and a half

946
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: year or a four and a half or younger buck,

947
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm very very good obedient. I don't want to screw

948
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: that up. I shoot a five and a hal af

949
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: year old deer. The problem is, if I didn't have

950
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: that rule, there's no telling what I would shoot. Um.

951
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I'm gonna shoot a for key,

952
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: but I probably would have some trouble maintaining that five

953
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: and a half year old. That's just me um And

954
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: and Landers will be the first guy to tell you

955
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: that I am the happiest guy alive, whether it's a

956
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: hundred fifty a hundred ninety in deer, and I just

957
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: like hunting. Um. Now, I want to get beat up

958
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. I don't want to give

959
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: me two deer. I want to work for one. And

960
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: it's hard for people to understand because everybody's brains work differently.

961
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: I would rather see a guy earn a hundred and

962
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: fifty inch mule deer than shoot a gimme two hundred.

963
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: The deer doesn't matter to me, it's the story behind it,

964
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys didn't believe that until they hunted,

965
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: with me Lander being one of them, I truly wanted

966
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: to see. I. I like the adventure of the hunt,

967
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: and the animal is kind of I'm not taking away

968
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: from the animal. I'm just saying that the animal is

969
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: a byproduct of the hunt. The hunt is what's important.

970
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: But I also think that if you're out, they're not

971
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: taking animals. You know, maybe take up golf or maybe

972
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: put some more effort into it, unless you just like

973
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: to hike around. Because a lot of people seem to hunt.

974
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: To just go hunting, there's nothing wrong with that, but

975
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: you also have to you know, you can't. You can

976
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: only blame yourself, and so maybe you should focus less

977
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: on buying the coolest, newest gear and maybe focus more

978
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: on theo craft and shooting your bow or something. Um.

979
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: Not to get off the subject to that, but you

980
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: get out of it what you put into it. And

981
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: you can't believe anybody but yourself. Okay, last traditional archery

982
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: question unless you want to talk about something else there.

983
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: So inside of all this, uh, all this talk with

984
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: the clumb method, which I've been I've been just recently

985
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of following some of that, and and and and

986
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: it's influenced some of the things that I'm doing some

987
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: of some of it. I told Colby some of these things.

988
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind of I mean, I didn't.

989
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't a dramatic, dramatic shift with a few things, Aaron,

990
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: what would you say is the most impacting thing inside

991
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: of your traditional archery form and shot? So we're getting

992
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: like tech nerd traad archery because I know there's all

993
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: these there's all these different things that you could say.

994
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: What would you say it would be the most the

995
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: most critical component of an accurate shooter in terms of mechanics. Man,

996
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to pick just one um. In fact,

997
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it because then that would like

998
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: sell it way short. But I would have to say,

999
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: just um, the general shot execution, as far as the

1000
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: proper steps um that you take initially, meaning you know,

1001
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: having this I'm gonna simplify it, having the same anchor

1002
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: point every time, having the same clean release every time.

1003
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: Repeatability is extremely important. But I'm gonna squirrel, I'm gonna

1004
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: rabbit hole really bad. I just read an article in

1005
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: a magazine that basically pooh pooed on three under and

1006
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: gap shooting, and you can't be success full that way. Um,

1007
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: that's what I do. And I've shot more animals and again,

1008
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: sound and arrogant anyone I know of in two years

1009
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: that humble comment. And this is where that's where I

1010
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: get in trouble is is statements like this, And I'm

1011
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: not saying it is a bragging thing. What I'm saying

1012
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: is if one guy wants to snap shoot and swing shoot,

1013
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop him, right. But to say that

1014
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: the method that I was taught by through Tom Clumb

1015
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: can't be successful hunting, well, I'm living proof that that

1016
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: is a lie. That is wrong. And how many snapshooters

1017
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: do you know? They can't hit a bullet. I'm about

1018
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: to cuss, I'm gonna rewind. They can't hit a barn wall. Yeah,

1019
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: they can't hit a barn wall from the inside of

1020
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: the barn. I know a lot of them. A lot

1021
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: of them actually give me crap about the strugglestick comment

1022
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: when I know they can't shoot worth the crap, I

1023
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: mean it, it is what it is. I think that

1024
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: if you get taught correctly out of the gate, you

1025
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: can choose to snapshoot if needed. If you get taught

1026
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: to snapshoot out of the gate, you cannot choose to

1027
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: shoot correctly. And that's not really an argument. The sun

1028
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: will come up tomorrow, It is as sure as that.

1029
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: How many snapshooters do you know? They have to close

1030
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: their eyes to hold a full draw pretty much everyone?

1031
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: I know how many guys that to that go to

1032
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: full draw and operate a c clicker correctly? Can you say, hey,

1033
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: will you snapshoot quick? And they can snap shoot? Yeah?

1034
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying if you build the foundations right, then

1035
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: you have totally a lot more options inside you're shooting.

1036
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: As long as you've got mental control. Um, you can do.

1037
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I snap shoot white tails all the time

1038
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: if they walk by and I gotta I'm not saying

1039
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: run by, but walking by, I can snapshoot. I'm not

1040
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: pulling through the clicker. Um, if it's a noise situation

1041
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: where there's a chance that that buck might I know

1042
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: when it's going to go off. To a certain degree.

1043
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 1: If I have to, you know, just start my back

1044
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: tension and fire a little early. I've made a conscious

1045
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: decision when to shoot that bow. When you're a snapshooter,

1046
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 1: there's no conscious decision. It hits your face and it's

1047
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: it's gone. There are some people that are decent that way,

1048
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: but for the most part, Um, the swing snap shooting

1049
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: is in my very short career, is a recipe for disaster.

1050
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: For longer, instinctive shooting by fred Aswell, I'm talking about

1051
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: fred Asbell. Yeah, don't follow anything that says um in

1052
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, Okay, okay, if you if you want to

1053
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: have a lifelong history or a lifelong career of snapshooting

1054
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: and target panic, read that book and memorize it. And

1055
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm not taking away from anything he's done for the sport.

1056
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: The guy has been amazing for it. I'm just saying,

1057
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: if you don't want to get target panic and you

1058
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: want to be accurate, I would follow what That's the

1059
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: book that Tommy had to shoot traditional archer here. Yeah,

1060
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: and I can't say that I totally follow it, but

1061
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: the the ideas of instinctive shooting that he like, I

1062
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: still I did snapshoot for years, and dude, just I

1063
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: do to some degree still today and I and I

1064
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: want to tell you just my little just a short spill,

1065
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: but some of the ideas that he gave me gave

1066
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: me some foundations about bow arm A draw that was

1067
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: going to the same place every time, clean release. Now

1068
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: he was split fingers. At one point I saw Barry Winsell,

1069
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: I think, shoot three under. I had trouble for ten

1070
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: years with accuracy shooting split fingers, and one day I saw,

1071
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: I think it was Barry Winsell shoot with three under,

1072
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: and it just made snit sense. I literally got out

1073
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: of my turn the TV off of watching the DVD

1074
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: or something, went and got my bow and my shooting

1075
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: was like incredibly better. But let's see where am I

1076
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: going with this. I so that did give me some

1077
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: good foundation, just some mechanics. The idea that that bow

1078
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: will you the same every single time if you do

1079
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: the same thing every single time. Um, But that and

1080
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that can't be argued. And that's what

1081
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: There's things he says that I agree with. There's other

1082
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: things that are a recipe. Well, let's say he's got

1083
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: the strongest mine in the world, which he must have

1084
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: if he's never had target panic, um, the snapshooting letter,

1085
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: riptater chip. If you can do that, yeah, you're not

1086
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: going to have a problem. The problem is that most

1087
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: people can't. I think it's close range. And this is

1088
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. And my focus inside of

1089
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: traditional archery has not has been to kill game inside

1090
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: of fourteen yards. That in in in the way that

1091
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: I've done it, that's worked for me. I've I've I've

1092
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: wounded and missed less game with the traditional bow that

1093
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: I have with my compound. But it's because I've I've

1094
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: the style of hunting that which I'm not hunting out

1095
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: a way trying to stock a muleteer and get a

1096
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: forty yards shot, not hunting mountain goat. You know I'm hunting.

1097
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: So so I go back to that to say, you know,

1098
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: it does work if you have certain limitations. And that's

1099
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: the one thing I remember fred Asbo in his book

1100
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: saying is that and this doesn't go against you, please

1101
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: don't take it that but don't worry about that, but

1102
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: that you can either become a better shooter, you can

1103
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: become a better hunter. And so he was like, get closer.

1104
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I remember him saying. That's a

1105
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: twenty five year old reading that book. It was like, yeah,

1106
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: so if I can shoot this bow, and really for

1107
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: years it was ten yards. If I gotta get within

1108
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: ten yards a game, and then I can tend ring them.

1109
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: And so that became this cool concoction for me. That

1110
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: was fun and and and so. Anyway, so when I

1111
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: see guys like you, which i'm uh, you know, shooting

1112
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: at forty yards, man, I can't shoot at fort yards.

1113
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: I did challenge you jokingly on Facebook the other day

1114
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: and said that I could teach you something about traditional archery.

1115
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: I think knew that was a joke private message, of course.

1116
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: But it's never been my goal to shoot forty But

1117
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: I have been tried to be as good as I

1118
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: could out to fifteen killed some game out past twenty.

1119
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: But you know, and I don't and I'm trying again.

1120
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: I'll say it, I said it earlier. I'm not taking

1121
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: anything away from what that man has done for the sport,

1122
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: right yeah, I mean, but what I am saying is, um,

1123
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: if you, um well, I could pick a ton of

1124
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: different other athletes, but let's just focus on this. If

1125
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: if well, we're gonna use me for an example, and

1126
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: I'll take the brunt of it. And inside of a

1127
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: year with Tom Clumb, I was shooting paper plates are

1128
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: smaller at forty yards, winning pretty much every tournament I

1129
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: went to and shooting very well and having some success

1130
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: with hunting animals all over the place. I don't think

1131
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: that could be argued that that will work. Now will

1132
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: it work? And I and I've talked with the guys

1133
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: at Black Widow that um aspell whole to class there

1134
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's ten fifteen yard shots. If that's what you're into,

1135
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna man. I'm the last guy to tell

1136
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: you to shoot farther. But I'm also I'm not going

1137
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: out there too. I'm going out there to shoot something.

1138
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: And uh, if I'm proficient at thirty four, that's gonna

1139
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: up my odds the forty yards a bit far. I've

1140
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: taken two animals at forty and it's certainly not what

1141
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: I prefer. But um you know, if there's a dear

1142
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: bed at thirty two, I can shoot softballs at thirty

1143
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: two all day. Do you want to close that distance

1144
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: by half? Or do you want to kill it where

1145
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: it lays? I'm gonna kill it where it's laying. UM,

1146
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: and if I can shoot closer. I've shot animals at

1147
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: four ft and at forty three yards and pretty much

1148
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: everywhere in between. I just don't think you can do

1149
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: it consistently past fifteen to eighteen without Tom's Yeah, I

1150
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: agree with it. I mean, that's been so before, and

1151
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm starting to be influenced by I'd love to go

1152
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: do a class with him. UM, but what you just

1153
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: said is exactly right. I with the methods that I've used,

1154
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: I have been very proficient out the fift eighteen yards.

1155
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: And I mean, and that's problem maybe the limitation of

1156
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: a guy that is shooting that, and there's plenty of

1157
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: guys that could shoot better than that, because I think

1158
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: inside of that, then there's like the individual talent and

1159
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: skill and hand eye coordination and ability of the individual archer,

1160
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: which varies greatly. There's some guys that are just naturals,

1161
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: some guys that are not. I think I'm probably in

1162
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: the you know, I'm proficient with it. I'm I'm I'm

1163
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: in there. I'm not gonna say where I think I'm

1164
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: at point being I think I think that sometimes, especially

1165
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: the traditional archery world there's so much uh. Well, I

1166
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: think a guy's goals have to be factored in, and

1167
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: you're such a you're such a great uh and dominant

1168
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: personality inside of it. I guess you know it's not

1169
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: the only way. You know, what I'm saying, What you're

1170
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: saying the thousand percent right to be accurate out to forty.

1171
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm totally convinced after what I've heard that, but a

1172
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: guy could still be successful inside of snapshooting just getting

1173
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: into fifteen yards. Yeah, and the big thing, just so

1174
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm not taking too far out of context. How many

1175
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: people do you know are gonna be on the ninth

1176
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: they have a mule deer hunt snapshooting consistently or whatever

1177
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: you wanna call it, and have an animal at twenty

1178
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: and not take the shot, not more than any And

1179
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: so for for me, and again, I'm green, right, I

1180
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 1: just started doing this. That guy's been in here longer

1181
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: and I've been alive. Okay, so again, but it's gonna

1182
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: be hard to convince me that the most that that

1183
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: what Tom teaches is not the most proficient way, because

1184
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: you can choose to snap shoot with Tom, sister. I

1185
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: like that. I like what you just said that, and

1186
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: I think it probably is, but only that's all I know.

1187
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: But what I you know when I say that's all

1188
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know of a bunch of thirty eight

1189
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: forty five year old to sixty year year old men

1190
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: that can't hold the string to their face without closing

1191
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: their eyes and literally short draw. And they tell me

1192
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: their bows seventy pounds at twenty eight, but they're drawn

1193
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: to a solid twenty five and a half because they're snapshooting.

1194
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: And I'm going off of what i've seen, and again

1195
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm very blunt and very open. You can't take away

1196
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: what I've seen because I've seen it, and you can't

1197
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: take away the fact that I see guys that can't

1198
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: hit the bail at twenty yards and I'm not This

1199
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: isn't just the compound guys, the same way I'm not

1200
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: picking on trad archers. What I what I what I've seen, though,

1201
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: is tom take a guy brand new green, mold that

1202
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: guy into someone who's proficient in a very short period

1203
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: of time at twenty yards. He may never shoot past twenty,

1204
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: but he's also not going to suffer from target panic

1205
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: as quick. He's not going to suffer from short drawing

1206
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: is quick and when you um, well you're overbowed. But

1207
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: when you use the snapshooting method, it is very own

1208
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: to short drawing. Short drawing is bad. And um, trying

1209
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: to keep me out of this too too much? Um,

1210
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: I look at um the god, how' m gonna put

1211
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: this back in too much trouble? Um. There was a

1212
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: reason when I got into traditional archery, I didn't want

1213
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: to get into it. Okay, there wasn't really a spokesman,

1214
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I'm a spokesman, but there wasn't

1215
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: a spokesman that made it cool. Um, there's a lot

1216
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: of spokesman that make it cool. Now. That doesn't mean distance.

1217
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: That just means it's a cool thing to do. Um.

1218
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: And it's highlighted the the the reasons why you should

1219
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: be doing it to make it I say cool, but really,

1220
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: for two people want to do. What I always said

1221
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: was that trad archery. When I was growing up, shooting

1222
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: three D targets with my dad was all the old

1223
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: men's shot trad It was an old man's sport. But

1224
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: but now we've got this, this this cast of people

1225
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: that are making it cool. Yeah, I mean I'm excited

1226
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: at about it because it's changed me. It's not only

1227
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: just a hunter, but as a person. And I'm and

1228
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm hunting for different reasons, but

1229
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm certainly um out there for the challenge, you know.

1230
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: And and and I don't want to think that I'm

1231
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: picking on the old crowd or as Bell. I'm just

1232
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: stating what I've seen. And it would be interested to

1233
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: have Tom and fred Is on a debate. I would

1234
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: like to hear them go back and forth. I'm not

1235
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it. I've done long enough.

1236
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like this guy's I bet they would.

1237
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: And I don't want to pit them against each other though, Aaron,

1238
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like their methods are different, for sure,

1239
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: but just like in anything, there's different ways to do

1240
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: stuff with different goals. And and man, both of those guys,

1241
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: in my mind are are iconic heroes the traditional archery,

1242
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, But and I certainly wouldn't look

1243
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: at it as putting them against each other. What I

1244
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: would do is it gives to people to you know, waste, okay,

1245
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: Republican Democrat for guys green and just getting into you

1246
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: know who am I going to vote for. You're not

1247
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: putting two people against each other. You're just hearing and

1248
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: then they can choose for them. So I don't think

1249
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: there's any I don't think there's any conflict really, like

1250
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: in terms of I think people when they see Clumb's method,

1251
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean to me, and and I am.

1252
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: I told you, I was absolutely influenced by Asbell with

1253
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: his book. I've got it on my shelf. It's like

1254
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: it's like an iconic book taught me, got me started.

1255
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: And when I started seeing this stuff with Clum, I

1256
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that makes sense. What he's saying makes

1257
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 1: a ton of sense. And and and I and I'm

1258
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of gradually moving that direction. So I mean,

1259
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: and I think what we're seeing inside the traditional archery

1260
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: world is a natural progression that we find inside of everything.

1261
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's people that there's a way of

1262
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: doing things, and then all of a sudden, there's a

1263
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: new generation of people that say, hey, there's a there's

1264
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: a better way to do this. And then there's gonna

1265
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: be some people for the old that pick on that

1266
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: guy and get mad at him. But you know, and

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: I think that's not really the the part to focus on,

1268
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, but I think I think what you're doing

1269
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: is awesome. It's helping me that That's all I can

1270
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: say is that, Um, it really has. It's inspired me

1271
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: to be a better traditional archer. Uh. And I think

1272
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: it's working. It is because the stuff that I'm following

1273
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: and checking out clumb and Tyler Friel a friend of mine, uh,

1274
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: rights for Barony magazine something I know he's been with

1275
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: clumb And Uh. Now, it's cool stuff. It really is.

1276
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: It's cool stuff. I like it. I like the fact

1277
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: that it Um. When I started, there wasn't anyone to

1278
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: go to. Okay, there wasn't any social media guy. South

1279
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: was one, but South South like South a mule deer guy,

1280
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: not a When I say, I've never can rem a

1281
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: lot better now than he did when I first met him.

1282
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: He shoot pretty good now? I mean does he do it?

1283
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: Is he? He's got a clicker on in the whole

1284
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: nine cards? Colby, How are the mules fantastic? They're just

1285
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: chilling out in there. Just should pellets? You should have

1286
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: given some pellets. Uh. I think that Um, when um,

1287
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: you know you're never going to be able to make

1288
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: traditional archery a long distance sport. Um meaning it's just

1289
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: just capabilities of it, right, I mean, you just can't.

1290
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: You can't shoot far accurately no matter how I mean.

1291
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: There's times that I'll shoot a paper plate at fifty

1292
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: sixty yards of have something I can hold on with

1293
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: my point over not a shot I'm gonna taken. I mean,

1294
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: I guess on a second arrow, I might attempt that,

1295
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: but you hit it the first time. Yeah, exactly. If

1296
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: I've made a shot and I think, man, this is

1297
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: I need another arrow in it. But um, well, Randy

1298
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: and Denny, Randy Cooling and Denny Sturgis said you should

1299
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: at least have a plan for a longer shot. I

1300
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: agree with that. You know, it's not a bad idea.

1301
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: You get one and you need to get another one

1302
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: in it. You should at least have a decent idea

1303
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: rather than just gripping and ripping. Um. They they face

1304
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: walk the different anchor points, which I never messed. That's

1305
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: not my cup of tea. Um well, have you ever

1306
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: read like Fred Beresfield notes, Okay, shot at forty went

1307
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: under it, shot at at fifty went under it, shot

1308
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: at sixty went under it hit it in the fomorl

1309
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: at seventy Okay, Well, obviously the founder of archery was

1310
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: winging him out there. Okay, if it doesn't take too

1311
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: long to read that. I think he shot his leopard

1312
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: at a hundred in some yards. I don't remember. It's far. Okay.

1313
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying follow that footsteps or you should do that.

1314
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: They can't do that anymore? Um right? For what why

1315
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: is that? Why can't we why can't we follow up? Well,

1316
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not saying we

1317
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: should say because the world is so much more transparent

1318
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: than it used to be because of social media. Yeah,

1319
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: so I'm agreeing with you. No, I'm just saying I

1320
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: wanted you to say it. Everything's out there now, right right,

1321
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: So it's should we or shouldn't we? We should certainly

1322
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't post it, okay, with that's without a doubt, no

1323
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 1: one should see that, should we? As far as accuracy,

1324
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: probably not, because I don't think very many people are

1325
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: that accurate at that distance. When I say that distance

1326
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: past forty forty and n forties uh ten percent of

1327
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: the time five percent of the time, meaning right person,

1328
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: right place, right time, probably let maybe five inside of twenty. Yeah,

1329
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: it's an eighty percent right inside a for the most

1330
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: part that forty it's all on each person. Most people,

1331
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: if they're in the woods, are gonna be accurate after

1332
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty they probably shouldn't be in the ones. Again,

1333
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: pretty hard to get closer than ten yards. My looking

1334
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: at this, starting out with a compound where I could

1335
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: shoot over a hundred consistently, I had to immediately change

1336
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: my hunting style, right, I totally war reversal. I had

1337
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: to become more patient. I had to see animal behavior. Well,

1338
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: when the animal stands up at seventy and you just

1339
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: shoot it, you're not seeing a lot of animal behavior

1340
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: now at seventy that maybe four were more hours before

1341
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: I get to take a shot. So it's it's made

1342
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: me and what I would hope that it would help

1343
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: other people is become more of an animal afficionado. You're

1344
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: becoming a better hunter as you do this. Does the

1345
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: forty yard thing help? Oh? Yeah? The fact I can

1346
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: shoot forty in paper plate the softball sizes, it puts

1347
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: me a step above where I can take that shot

1348
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: in the right situation. That right situation is generally a

1349
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: bet animal because yeah, yeah, and the bows are quiet

1350
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,919
Speaker 1: enough that they generally don't hear it go off. Um.

1351
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: And I've got a point to all of this. I

1352
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: think that when people look at traditional archery, I think

1353
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: they should look at it as you say, progression. You know,

1354
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: that's one way to look at it. If you're bored

1355
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: with the compound, you should pick up a stick book.

1356
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: If you suck with the compound, pick up a stick bow.

1357
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: You are already suck, right, um, stick bost funder and

1358
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: And I hate to be that blunt, but it's true.

1359
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: If you're just on a good shot with a compound,

1360
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: pick up a stickbow, start from scratch, get coaching. I

1361
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: can tell you now, it's a hell of a lot

1362
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: fun or to suck with a stick bow than it

1363
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: is with a compound, because with a stick bow you

1364
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: can stump shoot, you can shoot squirrels, you can shoot

1365
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: things you just can't really do with the compound. Um.

1366
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: That probably sounded harsh, but it's true. You know a

1367
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: lot of know a lot of guys that aren't real

1368
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 1: proficient out the thirty with a compound. I'm like, dude,

1369
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: pick up a stickbow, start over you've already got all

1370
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: these bad habits and grain in your brain. With a compound,

1371
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: you can start from start fresh. Yeah, exactly. And I

1372
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: think I try to point people in that direction. And

1373
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: there's some guys that should shouldn't have a stickbow or

1374
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: a compound in their hand, you know, there's some guys

1375
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: that they should maybe not be hunting. Um when I

1376
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: say that mean they need to put more effort into it, maybe,

1377
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: is what I should say. So anyway, I'm going down

1378
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: to rabbit hole here. Well, the to me, what I've

1379
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: always liked about traditional archery is that, and I think

1380
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: Aaron is the reason that I got into it originally.

1381
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: Now it took me a while to get like deep

1382
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: into it. Was because you cannot fake being a tread

1383
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: bow shooter, I mean, and and that's the thing. Like

1384
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: compound archery is so proficient, Like compound the technology of

1385
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: a compound bow is so proficient. I can take my

1386
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: daughter out and within two hours of buying her a

1387
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: new compound bow, she can pretty much be ready to

1388
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: bow hunt a white tail deer inside of fifteen yards

1389
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: and probably two hours minus adrenaline proficiency hit a target

1390
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: and uh man, you can't fake being a tread archer

1391
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: and be successful. Now you can get lucky, you can,

1392
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: but I mean you, and I think that to me

1393
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: is probably one of the bigger things that I like

1394
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: about it. And what I respected about these old traditional

1395
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: archers that I didn't know is that they were authentic.

1396
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: And I think, to me, that's that's probably in me,

1397
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: like the magnetism that I see that I that I

1398
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: like inside of people's when I see somebody that's authentic

1399
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: and a lot and some of the traditional archers and

1400
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 1: specifically I'm talking about I doubt he'll listen to this podcast,

1401
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: but my brother's father in law, David Albright of Bowyer

1402
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, Man, when when he talked to me about

1403
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: bow hunting, and I was a compound archer when I

1404
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: was in my early twel in my early twenties when

1405
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about traditional archery, and I

1406
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's the way to bow hunt. And

1407
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: and to this day I still shoot some compound, but

1408
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: but I recognized that you couldn't fake what he was

1409
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: doing and be successful. That's what I like about it.

1410
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: I'm looking up David Albright, where have I heard that

1411
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: name before? What he's he's a bowyer. I don't even

1412
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: know if you'll find David online. David is a David

1413
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: is as he's my brother's father in law. Have been

1414
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,799
Speaker 1: making bows for years and years. He killed a hundred

1415
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: and fifty five inch deer on a public ground and

1416
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: the Washington Mountains of Arkansas with his trad bow this year.

1417
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: First I've heard that name before, and there's only reason why.

1418
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: That's why I's playing with my phone to look it up.

1419
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: But man, I I agree. I just met Marv Clinky,

1420
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: who's like a legend in Colorado, for the first time,

1421
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half ago. Um, and uh,

1422
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: I just said, hey, it's it's an honor to meet

1423
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: you in not knowing the guy, and I'm I'm you know,

1424
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm not taking away he's done more for traditional archer

1425
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: and called bow hunting in Colorado than anyone in my opinion.

1426
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: It's the fact I know what he's killed and I

1427
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: know how close he's killed it, and that's amazing to me.

1428
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm enamored by that, especially coming from the compound and

1429
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: then the first year kind of having the you know,

1430
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: pit for stumbling and everything else, and then gaining more

1431
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: and more success and knowing what it takes, the fact

1432
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: you might be laying there for five or six hours

1433
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: at sixty yards to hopefully get shot. Well, how many

1434
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: times has he done that? The dudes seventy eight years old? Okay,

1435
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: so he's done that a lot, right, Who knows how

1436
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: many times? Because he's gotta pile a big deer on

1437
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: the wall high country bucks. Um. And so I agree.

1438
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean to me, like, um, some of the guys

1439
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: that are super are successful with the stickbow. Um. You

1440
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: know I'm looking at there's a lot of admiration there

1441
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: for what they've done. And they didn't have Tom's clinic,

1442
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: so you know you're there shooting at close. I mean,

1443
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: you know when I say Tom, there's other the push

1444
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: guys are really helpful. Joel's kind of a brain doctor turner.

1445
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: And and then you know there's um a coach that

1446
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: Randy and Denny use a lot, and he's kind of

1447
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: the same as Tom as far as that goes. Uh,

1448
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: I just forgot his name, good, Uh Rod Rod Jenkins.

1449
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: He's another coach down south that's um, you know, great

1450
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: for you know, kind of teaching more of the Tom

1451
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: and I argue sometimes I'll say that right now when

1452
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: it comes to his methods and what I he taught

1453
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: me and how I've morphed him. Do you want to

1454
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: talk about this at all? As I'm running at the mouth,

1455
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: what whatever you want? Man? Um all that? I want

1456
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: all that. The next thought I have in my mind

1457
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: is I want to talk to you. I want to

1458
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: tell you about my bow. Okay, the uh the thing

1459
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: with Tom is there's things that he taught me more

1460
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: Feta style shooting that I have not done. I hunch

1461
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: over right, I can't, Um, I don't curl the wrist

1462
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: this much, and and and do uh draw into the

1463
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: clicker like he teaches? Because I think it's harder to

1464
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: draw into the clicker that way consistently with an animal

1465
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: in front of you. So even though I should be

1466
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: drawing that way, I draw differently because my clicker goes

1467
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: off at a different time and I wanted to be consistent. Um,

1468
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that alignment. UM you know, the release

1469
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: things like that can be argued, whether it's as Bell

1470
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: or Tom. That needs to be the same every time, Right,

1471
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: you got to do that? UM. Where I think that um,

1472
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: people uh struggle not necessarily as just the coaching. They

1473
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: get a bow their six ft one and have a

1474
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: twenty nine inch draw, and their buddy gives them a

1475
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: fifty six inch bow and the arrows aren't flying right

1476
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: and they don't know what to do. So the moral

1477
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: of my story is here, whosever path you follow, find

1478
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: someone to you need help in the beginning. You're not

1479
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna just walk into it like a compound. You can

1480
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: wing it and still be successful. You can't wing it

1481
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: with a open you can't wing it with a stick bow.

1482
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: But go ahead and tell me about your bow now.

1483
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: So the bow that I'm currently shooting and have shot

1484
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: for several years now, or the brand would be a

1485
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: timber ghost traditional bows. And we talked about it at

1486
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: one time, and I tried to get Can't to send

1487
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: you one at the time, but you we didn't. It

1488
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: just didn't work out. But what I'm shooting right now

1489
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: is a timber ghost. It calls the G three S S.

1490
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: It's a takedown bow, it's a it's a it's a

1491
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: um bell, a belly mount limb limbs or belly mounted,

1492
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of like the Black Widow eron, but it has

1493
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: a superstatic The S S of the G three S

1494
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: S stands for superstatic and it's one of the fastest bows,

1495
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: recurved bows on the planet. It looks like it'd be fast.

1496
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: It's got some curly tipped limbs on that. Yes, and

1497
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: it's uh man, it's it's it feels super good in hand,

1498
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: it's quiet, it's pretty short. Um, he makes different sized risers.

1499
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: I've got the thirteen inch riser. I think I'd rather

1500
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: have an eleven inch riser. But super sweet bow Man

1501
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: for real, Kent. I think it's doing some stuff that's

1502
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: pretty revolutionary. Um inside inside the tread bow, you know,

1503
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: the bow of your world. But anyway, uh, you ought

1504
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: to shoot it. I got it out in the truck. Yeah, yeah,

1505
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: I got my targets in the back, so um, we

1506
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: can do that. I'm looking at it now. I I

1507
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: definitely have fallen in love with the widow. I've shot

1508
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: a pile of different bows, though. Um, I uh, I'm

1509
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: one of those I say, weird guys, but like five

1510
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: inch feathers, I get crap about shooting five inch feathers. Well,

1511
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of stuff with five inch feathers.

1512
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm free to switch. I mean I said that on

1513
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: a podcast the other day, They're like, why don't you

1514
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: shoot smaller feathers, And I'm like, well, I'm not dropping

1515
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: bombs at eighty yards. Wind isn't really first and foremost

1516
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: wind drift. In my mind, I'm trying to shoot things

1517
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: sub twenty, so I don't worry about it. But yeah,

1518
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: that looks like that is a slick looking bow. Yuh.

1519
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: He gets a good guy, cancer really kinds a good

1520
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: friend of He's a bow you're there in Arkansas. He's

1521
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: actually the My favorite bow that he makes, though, is

1522
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: the Smoke Smoke Bow, which is a fifty six inch

1523
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: hybrid longbow, and I feel like I just shoot it

1524
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: really well, but the riser is really small and I'm

1525
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: not I'm not a big guy, so I like a

1526
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: smaller bow. But anyway, I'd love for you to just

1527
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: hold it in your hand out there, Aaron. You could.

1528
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: You can shoot Narra out of it. But man, when

1529
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 1: you ditched me for in British Columbia, um, I actually

1530
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: hadn't planned on shooting trad in my spring bear season.

1531
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: And so like three weeks ago, Jeff Lander was like, Hey,

1532
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: Aaron's gonna be in camp. You got to come. That's okay,

1533
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: I'll come. So, Kobe, what did I do? I started

1534
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: shooting the trad bow out of the global headquarters of

1535
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting magazine lot and and I'm being completely transparent, man,

1536
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: I had put the bow down and and hadn't shot

1537
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: that much. But but I carried it to Montana on

1538
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: this rifle hunt. And we were planning on shooting every day,

1539
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: but I ended up stinking chasing bears so hard. We

1540
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: we had a tough We had a tough hunt. Awesome,

1541
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: incredible adventure, incredible monumental thing for me. Uh, Aaron, I've

1542
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: had a goal. I trained mules, and that's a new

1543
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: thing in my world. Didn't grow up doing it. But

1544
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: three years ago train the mule. My goal was to

1545
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: take the Montana and bear hunt on it. And so

1546
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: this was, uh, this was the completion of that quest.

1547
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: And uh, long story short, we were in the back

1548
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: country so much I didn't even get to shoot. But

1549
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to British Columbia next week and I'm gonna

1550
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: have to do some clean up. But I'm I'm gonna

1551
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: have to shoot. I'm shooting good, but yeah, you're stacking

1552
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: him in there. But yeah, Jeff, we gonna have to

1553
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: get closer. Funny. He called me and said, uh, can

1554
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: you not shoot one? It's I grew super quick. And

1555
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. Yeah, whatever, man, I don't. I've

1556
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: shot a bunch of them. When you what do you

1557
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: want me to wait for? You said, Clay's coming up.

1558
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: Can you wait to shoot one until he gets there?

1559
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, man, I'll wait if you want

1560
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: me to. I've had good success. We were gonna fill

1561
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: me man, which is good because I hate being on film. Um,

1562
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: it's funny the first uh, And I'll try and keep

1563
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: this short. The well, I shot a turkey with my

1564
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: bow and sixteen was the first animal. But when I

1565
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: had had gone up there, um, you know I had

1566
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: all these things people were telling me, the clums and anyway,

1567
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: all these different Uh you know that your hunt begins

1568
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: where it ends with the compound, and you know, yeah, yeah,

1569
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: And it was true. Went up with this stock and

1570
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this Barrett forty yards and I'm thinking

1571
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,480
Speaker 1: you would be so dead if I had my compound

1572
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: right and and came back out, went back in on

1573
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: a different approach, and I don't know what I was

1574
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: forty something from it, and um, I'm like, I just

1575
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: don't think I can hit it, you know, And even

1576
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: now I wouldn't take the shot, and I can shoot forty,

1577
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: just bad angle and everything else. So I mouse squeaked

1578
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: and it came right in and um, they're kind of

1579
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: blind and it stood on this log above me close

1580
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm just gonna shoot it on a

1581
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: frontal you know. I taken lots of elk on a

1582
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 1: frontal deer and a shot and uh, whether I collapsed

1583
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: or crap my pants or whatever, shot between its feet.

1584
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 1: And Tom Senior told me, you will kill multiple animals

1585
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: on your second arrow, guaranteed. They don't know what's gone

1586
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: off with a com pound. That's a done deal. They're

1587
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: they're gone. Bear kind of picked up his paw and

1588
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: looked at it, and I thought, what I shoot his

1589
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: toenail off cheese and put it back down, turned broadside

1590
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, okay, I got another chance, and

1591
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I hit him on that one, and uh, it was

1592
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: a big thing because you know, picking up the stick

1593
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: and am I gonna be able to do this? And

1594
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: it was great with landers and it was ended up

1595
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: being a big bear. Did I write an article that

1596
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: was in magazine the first traditional archills in Bear Honey,

1597
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Big Gamekiller, Game Kill, so you know I had done that,

1598
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: and then uh, you know, fast forward a little bit

1599
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: did pretty well at tournaments and I'm like, you know,

1600
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be that bad. Well then opening DAYA

1601
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: of season elk and deer, Um, I missed a deer

1602
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: three times at seventeen twenty something and I don't know,

1603
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: and uh so we hunted some more for elk after that,

1604
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: and I think I clipped an elk in the leg

1605
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: and I had lots of other shots I didn't take

1606
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: that I would have but I just didn't feel comfortable with.

1607
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: And we came back. Um, you know, it's probably September

1608
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: five or something, so six seven days in the season,

1609
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: and um came back for a couple of days from

1610
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: the elk hunt, and Frank and I went out for

1611
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: a day hunt and I end up shooting a mule

1612
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: deer at four ft um like literally my broadhead was

1613
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: pine between its antlers when I drew back like close close.

1614
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: Frank's on all photos and that was the super addicting thing.

1615
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: I would have never done that, you know, it was

1616
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: one of those I'm in my socks and uh end

1617
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: up standing on the rock above it, shoot it straight down, unbelievable. Well,

1618
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: by some miracles, end up killing an elk short a

1619
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: few days after that. Well, anyway, fast forward, I'm in

1620
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: Alberta with with Jeff, and I didn't know the success

1621
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: right up there with a stick bow. It was like

1622
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: point one per cent, right, So I get a shot

1623
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: on the second day that I missed and I end

1624
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: up killing a tank. It's on the wall out there

1625
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: on whatever day it was. And and Jeff says, you're

1626
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: the third one. And I'm like, third one? What? And

1627
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: He's like, a third one to kill a guy? Kill

1628
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: one with stickbow up here in like eighteen years. And

1629
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you didn't tell me that crap when

1630
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: you told me to come up here and a hunt.

1631
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: I and ended up being a big deer. And I'm like,

1632
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: all right, I can do this right, And I think that, um,

1633
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: the the help I guess what I'm leading up to

1634
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: is because of Lander and Tom and other guys, my

1635
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 1: buddy Paul and many other people. The help they've given

1636
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: me has been I mean, it can't be quantified in

1637
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: with shooting a stick bow, right, And I try to

1638
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: be that person for other people now, because it is

1639
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: something that will I mean, it'll change your life in

1640
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: my opinion if you if you really stick with it. Yeah, yeah,

1641
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say about that. Right on, man,

1642
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: right on? How long have we been going, Kobe? One

1643
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: hour and four minutes and seconds? Thanks, thanks for taking

1644
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: the time to meet up with Aaron. I really appreciate it. Man. No,

1645
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on here. And I'm yeah,

1646
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I had to be an adult for a

1647
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: little bit and be at work, so I'm sorry I

1648
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: stood you up in BC. But look at it this way.

1649
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: That's more bears for you. More bears, more bears. Well, um, close, Kobe.

1650
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Any closing questions or anything that we had. I mean,

1651
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a massive agenda there, and I

1652
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: just wanted to come by and see Kafaru. I want

1653
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to see some of the stuff, wanted to wanted to

1654
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: outshoot Aaron uh in the back here just quickly now,

1655
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. We probably got to go pretty quick, but

1656
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: we're driving home to Arkansas tonight. We got about a

1657
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: twelve hour driving front of us, all right, I think,

1658
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,799
Speaker 1: just to summit up just from like listening and stuff.

1659
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: It sounds like one of the things you really do

1660
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 1: is just surround yourself with like good people and mentors.

1661
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: You know. It sounds like you grow a lot from

1662
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: just taking away positive aspects from other people. I think.

1663
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: So that's a good trait to have, definitely, and guys

1664
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: that keep you in check. If you surround yourself with

1665
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: people that tell you you're awesome all the time, pretty

1666
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: soon you can do no wrong. I between Brian Broderick

1667
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,480
Speaker 1: and Clay and Tom and Lander, I am I am

1668
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: constantly put in check, which I think is also a

1669
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: good thing. So yeah, I've got I got one more.

1670
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: I got one more thing, you know. So So I

1671
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: just moved to Arkansas from Texas and my legs are

1672
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: not uh up to part yet. So we went to

1673
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Montana and man, I was just I was struggling, and

1674
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: so I remember one part like we were doing something

1675
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: on the mountain and your voice came in my head

1676
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Speaker 1: and just had suck it up. Buttercup, I don't even

1677
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: know if you've ever said that. I say it all

1678
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: the time, but there's a lot of other things I

1679
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 1: say to Did it help it? Did it? Did it?

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Did well, it just I realized that I realized that

1681
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: my fitness isn't gonna get me up this mountain. I

1682
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: just gotta get tough, you know, you gotta have some

1683
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 1: mental toughness and pushed through. So yeah, because I was

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01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 1: pretty sure you had actually said that, because the first

1685
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: podcast I think I ever listened to was to put

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01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: it on your voice, smel suck it up, butter Cup,

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01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: Suck it up, Buttercup. Hey, Kobe only fell off the

1688
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: meal one. Um good mulet eight miles on mules in

1689
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: less six days. Uh yeah, I'm not not so much

1690
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: for me. I'm not not. I mean, what is uh

1691
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: their dodgy in the front and back and untrustworthy in

1692
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: the middle. Um yeah, yeah that's about I rode one

1693
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: with with bar to horse on the goat hunt, and

1694
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I ejected off at several times. I got really good

1695
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: at ejecting off, which, um no, I uh, I know.

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01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad I can help, and I truly, Um, I

1697
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: hate to say it, I know more overweight successful hunters

1698
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: than I do skinny ones. So there's something something to

1699
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: be said about mental toughness. Um, it goes a long way.

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01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a massive thing. That. You know, there's

1701
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: so much of a trend inside outdoor outdoor world right

1702
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: now about physical fitness, which is fantastic. It's a good

1703
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: thing to be physically fit. It's a good thing to

1704
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: take care of your body. But it's not the only thing.

1705
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not in any way trash. I mean,

1706
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta we gotta be physically fit to

1707
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: be able to stay stay doing what we're doing as

1708
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: long as we can. But that's my goal inside of

1709
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: physical fitness is just I want to be I want

1710
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: to be hunting, you know, when I'm sixty and seventy

1711
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: years old. That means I got to take care of

1712
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: my body. Means I can't be you know. But but

1713
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to be an ultra athlete to go

1714
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: hunting and be successful. But it helps, it help you

1715
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: look at well like ultra like with Cam Cam pretty

1716
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: much on hunts on private land now and he's still

1717
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: extremely fit right right, So, but you know he was

1718
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: getting it done backpack hunting years ago. He didn't do

1719
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: it as much now. But the thing that I try

1720
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: to explain to people, if you were gonna tear importance, Okay,

1721
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: shooting is important. Animal anatomy and is important, bushcraft is important,

1722
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: and physical fitness is certainly not up in my opinion,

1723
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: in the top three. They're important, but well, i'd say

1724
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: fit fitness is mid road because if you're smart, you

1725
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: know animal behavior, you can go up some mountain help

1726
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: out slower than if you suck um animal behavior because

1727
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna blow it out and you're gonna have to

1728
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: need physics. You're gonna need physical fitness. You know animal

1729
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: behavior and you're smart and pushcraft. Physical fitness isn't important

1730
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: because they're a good chance you'll get it done the

1731
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: first time. And that's what I try to explain to guys.

1732
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: And so you need you do need to have to

1733
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: try to have the total package, right, Yeah, you know

1734
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: for what the mule the reason I like hunting off

1735
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: mules are and it is totally a I mean, I'm

1736
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: from Arkansas and the ozark is kind of the mule

1737
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: epicenter of North America and many rights in terms of

1738
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: training and breeding, so it's kind of a cultural thing,

1739
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: you know. I kind of enjoy that. I enjoy the

1740
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: training of it. But on this hunt, and this was

1741
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the first time that I've done it myself, brought my

1742
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: own animals and hunted. It was. It was massively successful

1743
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: in terms of us of getting on game. Especially Cobby

1744
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: just self admitted that he wasn't physically ready for Montana.

1745
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: I told him we were going a week before we left, Okay,

1746
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: so are disadvantage. I'm afraid to lookie and I here.

1747
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: So he wasn't ready and and uh, and that's not

1748
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: a shameful thing, it's just that that that's just the truth.

1749
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been ready if you told me a

1750
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: week before we went. But the mules compensated for that.

1751
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: Now he had to be tougher in other areas because

1752
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: he had to learn how to write a mule and

1753
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: stay on it and not be afraid of it. And uh,

1754
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: and he did awesome and that. But so anyway, it

1755
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: was fun though it was. It was a ton of fun.

1756
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: But Aaron, Hey, thanks a lot, man, I really appreciate it. Uh,

1757
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: everybody knows where they can find Aaron Snyder's podcast Kafaro podcast.

1758
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: Um and at least my bad Aaron writes, for the

1759
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: last three or four years, you've written at least one article, Yes,

1760
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: which is amazing because um, I write really for no

1761
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: one else because I don't have time. But you like

1762
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:46,600
Speaker 1: me enough to write for you, or I like you

1763
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: enough to write right. Well, Hey, you've been on the

1764
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: cover of bar Hunting magazine twice. Thereon there you go.

1765
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: If I write one on this predator hunt, will you

1766
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: put me on there again? Well, if you kill a bear,

1767
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: I can't put a mountain line on there, even though

1768
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: I want mountain lion article. Are for real? Do Yeah?

1769
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: I love mountain lion hunting and I think it ties

1770
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: directly on with our bear houndsman. Uh like bart I mean,

1771
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: anybody that's bear hunting with hounds that's gonna be interested

1772
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: in big game hunting with hounds. So I totally want

1773
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: a mountain lion article. Maybe I'll maybe I'll get a

1774
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: big one with Barton June and I can wrap them

1775
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: all together about hounds and everything. And I think that's

1776
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: important that people understand the dynamic of hounds and how

1777
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: important they are with predator control. Right on, right on? Well, hey,

1778
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 1: thanks Aaron, And uh keeps the wild places wild because

1779
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: that's where the barriers live. Thanks again,